Side by side comparisons would have be MUCH MORE CONVINCING/HELPFUL. . . I had to stop, pause, go back and forth to notice the slightest difference, if any.
Since I've had my canon 80 I've always wondered WHY my footages were soooo over sharpened and bad. Even wanted to sell it and my go to 17-55mm lens BUTTTT I can honestly say you have helped me SOOOOOO SOOO much. My footages are exactly as I used to see them online from content creators and they look super amazing and crisp. Thank you very very much for this. You have no idea how much you've helped me. Feels like I have a new camera and lens now hehe
I wish more people understood this. In-camera sharpening is and has never been good. It'll add a lot of aliasing and moire artifacts to the image, which you can't really do much about in post. Having the ability to add sharpening where you WANT it to be is the best route. Personally, I think 75 is a bit overkill, I tend to not go above 50 on my unsharp mask in Premiere, but to each their own.
+Mat R I agree with you that 75 is a bit overkill, but I wanted to show a more pronounced effect. I think you've hit the nail on the head with 50 being your normal limit for sharpening in Premiere Pro. :-)
This is exactly what Philip Bloom found with the 5D Mk3. Initially he was disappointed with sharpness but, after sharpening in "post", he was blown away. Shame Canon can't do the same in-camera and save us the hassle.
I think you've hit on something here about turning down the sharpness setting in the image profile settings. I tried turning down all of the other settings as well - including the saturation settings to as low as possible. After post-processing in Darktable to raise the settings back to whatever, the JPEGS were so improved to the point where one would have thought that a Nikon had produced these JPEGS My T5i has customised settings for the image profile, so I didn't have to upset the default settings - just in case it didn't work out. Canon always gets criticised for having sensors that are not as sharp as say, those from Nikon. After seeing the results of this experiment, I'd say that it's not the sensor that is to blame here for lack of detail, but the firmware used to do the internal JPEG processing. It's probably not even the fault of the firmware itself. It will be to do with Canon's odd choice of default settings that will be more oriented to the requirements of novice users. From now on I'll be shooting mostly RAW, but when I need JPEGS I'll use the user profile with all of the defaults set to their minimum and post-process the JPEGS in Darktable from scratch.
Yeah I never thought about this in my life. This is super super super helpful to someone who is a beginner and one of those things that I have nO IDEA when / if ever I would have come across on my own. Thanks!
Really I am grateful to you. Really I am grateful to you for the video that you have done for us. The video which you have made for us is really so essential to the videographer. For the last several days I had been searching for a video like yours.
If I can ask how did you sharpend the video in post. Did you do that with unsharp mask ? Btw nice video I had problem with the sharpening on my 77d and now I know that I must use post sharpening when I want sharp 1080p.
70D / 80D cameras are nice in good light. They will take perfect pictures then. Just don't try to crank up the ISO too much... The 80D should be better in low light than the 70D because of the newer Digic processor, however.
Awesome idea. I'm going to try your sharpening trick next chance I get, but I'd like to know what lens you were using. Also - which lens do you recommend for daylight and then for low light night vids. Thanks much.
you forgot to make the follow test: film with sharp in camera, and without sharp in camera, and then sharp the image in premiere, and them, side by side, zoom them at 300 or 400% to see the real image and artifacts on both images. Because in a pc monitor the better image, is diferent then a 50 inch, TV. Sorry for my poor english. I hope you understand me.
I have the Sony RX100M3. It takes great video which seems as sharp as your examples. Have you compared the Sony RX100M3 with the Canon 80D or Nikon D7200? Is bokeh the only advantage of an SLR with an APS-C sensor?. It almost seems the Sony RX100M3 has a higher quality bit rate.
Anyone know why the video on live view appear a lot sharper than the result it self? If I do 10x magnification I still can see a lot of details like how I do zoom in 4K, but once I press the record button the result totally mushy and all details lost. I set the focus to manual mode, and it's a static object.
When you say sharpen at 75%, do you mean in lumiteri color panel you increased the sharpness to 75% or did you apply an unsharpen mask and set it to 75%? If so, what radius did you use?
Art the post sharpened images are over sharpened. I noted halos around the text on the no fishing sign also on the long tail feathers of the goose. Also on each of the post sharpened shots there is a thin white line that shows up on all the borders of the frames.
Got to agree ... way over sharpened. While it looks ok in some shots with little detail, the sign blows out. The max sharpening with Prem Pro is recommended at 20 by most professionals. Would be interested to see his method with something like a chain mesh fence in the background or something with lots of detail.
Thanks for the tests, Matt. Sharpening in post seems to add halos. You can see it on the no fishing sign. Maybe using a setting less than 75 would be best for me. I'd like to see your post processed video @75 vs the Sony a6300. I'd be interested if the Sony has halos when looking at the no fishing sign.
Hi, does this also apply, while shooting stills. Or, what is your suggestion on the setting to get a sharper picture while talking a photograph on the Canon 80d. Great work! love your channel.
I myself would suggest that if the 80D has a sharpening setting for stills... play around with it and see what works. Let us know how it works out for you...
good video. still learning my 80d I think the post was good but not a lot of difference from 7. awesome video I will try it. I wish you would have shown different things like cars, people, and food. maybe we can see difference better. thank you for your videos... do a grading pleeeeeaaaasssse
Can you do some compassion between "Panasonic G7 with standard setting in 1080p 30fps" vs "80D with post sharpening"? It would be very interesting to see, at least for myself :).
Thanks for the tip. Very very useful. But to my taste is over-sharpened for I see a kind of halo in the 0+post setup. Still, it's way better than the default. If there's a way to mask the sharpening in PP like in LR, then maybe that's I'd go for.
I want a Canon 80d, but really, no joking aside, the video you took (the detailed one) looks like you were using a Samsung Galaxy S7 Active. But those still images though, one word. DAMN!
the simple "Sharpen" from the effects menu in PP is the most primitive and seems to focus mostly on the very high contrast areas of your image. an example of high contrast would be in this video with the water behind the ducks neck where with high amounts of sharpening you get a white halo. granite the tester was using abnormal amounts of sharpending at times to just show a comparison. the plugin "UnsharpMask" is very good to use because you can reduce your "radius" to lower than "1" then crank the hell out of the "Amount" and get lots of sharpening without the "halo" effect. the problem with unsharp mask is that its "NOT" in realtime. argh! you have to render to see the effect and would need to be done at the end of a project prior to exporting. i think the best option if you have a newer version of PP CC would be the sharpening in the "LUMETRI" color correction plugin. you find it under the "Creative" tab in the Lumetri plugin in. you can crank this many times all the way up but don't get the halo effect and really overall its very impressive. the great thing about this plugin is..."it runs in Real Time"!!! assuming you have a moderately capable computer to get the GPU power to drive the RT plugins.
I gotta say I feel like a complete idiot. I have been filming for awhile now with the 80D. I have tried different profiles, color grading in post, and even purchased some flat profiles and I just wasn't happy with the crispness of my videos. After watching this I realized it's because the profiles had no sharpness....DOH. Using sharpness makes my shots KILLER now...Thanks so much for the video.
Man, the aliasing is REAL when you crank that sharpening to 75. I think the In-Camera 7 setting actually has less aliasing than the post sharpening, oddly enough.
At first... ohhh ok ok ok..... ok ok ok ..... and then after you let us see the quality in post.... BOOM!!!!!!!! Thank you Sir for sharing.... It is indeed a very helpful video..... keep it up.... Im a new subscriber of you channel... looking forward on your next videos.... Thanks again...
I’m watching this video on my iPhone 6, so maybe it’s hard to see on a smaller screen but I cannot tell the difference between the different settings when it comes to sharpness at all. Maybe I don’t have a well trained eye?
Sharpness and detail. A fight that Canon 80d owners will have to battle all the time. One thing you didn't say to improve the quality for RUclips viewing is to upscale as a 4k video (perhaps adding some noise). RUclips will downscale to much better quality 1080p footage.
Create a 4k project. Import the footage. Add a little 4k noise (youtube cannot tell the difference between this and actual 4k. Export/compress/upload. It'll look significantly better on RUclips.
Side by side comparisons would have be MUCH MORE CONVINCING/HELPFUL.
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I had to stop, pause, go back and forth to notice the slightest difference, if any.
Since I've had my canon 80 I've always wondered WHY my footages were soooo over sharpened and bad. Even wanted to sell it and my go to 17-55mm lens BUTTTT I can honestly say you have helped me SOOOOOO SOOO much. My footages are exactly as I used to see them online from content creators and they look super amazing and crisp. Thank you very very much for this. You have no idea how much you've helped me. Feels like I have a new camera and lens now hehe
I wish more people understood this. In-camera sharpening is and has never been good. It'll add a lot of aliasing and moire artifacts to the image, which you can't really do much about in post. Having the ability to add sharpening where you WANT it to be is the best route. Personally, I think 75 is a bit overkill, I tend to not go above 50 on my unsharp mask in Premiere, but to each their own.
+Mat R I agree with you that 75 is a bit overkill, but I wanted to show a more pronounced effect. I think you've hit the nail on the head with 50 being your normal limit for sharpening in Premiere Pro. :-)
PLEASE make a video comparison showing directly the effect moire with sharpening at default, 0, and all the way to 7. I'd really appreciate it.
50 = 2.5 in FCPX? Maybe, not sure. 2.5 sharpness is the default setting for sharpness in FCPX..
This is exactly what Philip Bloom found with the 5D Mk3. Initially he was disappointed with sharpness but, after sharpening in "post", he was blown away.
Shame Canon can't do the same in-camera and save us the hassle.
Thanks for the tip - nice to see you get out from behind your desk.
This simple sharpening creates a thin border around your video.
I think you've hit on something here about turning down the sharpness setting in the image profile settings. I tried turning down all of the other settings as well - including the saturation settings to as low as possible. After post-processing in Darktable to raise the settings back to whatever, the JPEGS were so improved to the point where one would have thought that a Nikon had produced these JPEGS
My T5i has customised settings for the image profile, so I didn't have to upset the default settings - just in case it didn't work out.
Canon always gets criticised for having sensors that are not as sharp as say, those from Nikon. After seeing the results of this experiment, I'd say that it's not the sensor that is to blame here for lack of detail, but the firmware used to do the internal JPEG processing. It's probably not even the fault of the firmware itself. It will be to do with Canon's odd choice of default settings that will be more oriented to the requirements of novice users.
From now on I'll be shooting mostly RAW, but when I need JPEGS I'll use the user profile with all of the defaults set to their minimum and post-process the JPEGS in Darktable from scratch.
Very nice. Do you have a video on Adobe Premiere pro?
Yeah I never thought about this in my life. This is super super super helpful to someone who is a beginner and one of those things that I have nO IDEA when / if ever I would have come across on my own. Thanks!
I agree that the post editting works wonders verses depending on the cameras standard firmware.
Really I am grateful to you. Really I am grateful to you for the video that you have done for us. The video which you have made for us is really so essential to the videographer. For the last several days I had been searching for a video like yours.
If I can ask how did you sharpend the video in post. Did you do that with unsharp mask ?
Btw nice video I had problem with the sharpening on my 77d and now I know that I must use post sharpening when I want sharp 1080p.
i will buy this camera tomorrow..can't wait!!
70D / 80D cameras are nice in good light. They will take perfect pictures then. Just don't try to crank up the ISO too much... The 80D should be better in low light than the 70D because of the newer Digic processor, however.
Awesome idea. I'm going to try your sharpening trick next chance I get, but I'd like to know what lens you were using. Also - which lens do you recommend for daylight and then for low light night vids. Thanks much.
you forgot to make the follow test:
film with sharp in camera, and without sharp in camera, and then sharp the image in premiere, and them, side by side, zoom them at 300 or 400% to see the real image and artifacts on both images. Because in a pc monitor the better image, is diferent then a 50 inch, TV. Sorry for my poor english. I hope you understand me.
we can do the same for stills ?
Thank you! Glad I didn't spend more money on a new lens! Got all the sharpness I need out of the 80D now ;-D
Im pretty interested in upgrading my 40d to the new 80d. How's the sharpening affect the video quality in lowlight? For example at iso 6400?
I'm glad someone else pointed out how it WAS sharp but there was a funkiness to it. I can definitely tell there's more detail.
I have the Sony RX100M3. It takes great video which seems as sharp as your examples. Have you compared the Sony RX100M3 with the Canon 80D or Nikon D7200? Is bokeh the only advantage of an SLR with an APS-C sensor?. It almost seems the Sony RX100M3 has a higher quality bit rate.
Anyone know why the video on live view appear a lot sharper than the result it self? If I do 10x magnification I still can see a lot of details like how I do zoom in 4K, but once I press the record button the result totally mushy and all details lost. I set the focus to manual mode, and it's a static object.
Brilliant video - thanks!
Sharpen 75 in Adobe Premiere Pro - Brilliant?
When you say sharpen at 75%, do you mean in lumiteri color panel you increased the sharpness to 75% or did you apply an unsharpen mask and set it to 75%? If so, what radius did you use?
Art the post sharpened images are over sharpened. I noted halos around the text on the no fishing sign also on the long tail feathers of the goose. Also on each of the post sharpened shots there is a thin white line that shows up on all the borders of the frames.
Got to agree ... way over sharpened. While it looks ok in some shots with little detail, the sign blows out. The max sharpening with Prem Pro is recommended at 20 by most professionals. Would be interested to see his method with something like a chain mesh fence in the background or something with lots of detail.
4K Media It's a matter of taste. I personally like sharp images that look a little cartoonish.
Does that apply to photos as well as videos?
Please tell me which lens your using?
Does Windows Movie Maker or any other free software have sharpening? Premier is a bit too expensive for me right now
You can get premiere solo by itself for I think $19 a month
Check out "DaVinci Resolve 12" - there's a free version that has image sharpening and so much more.
Try edius 9
Which camera is best for anything canon 77d and 80d?
should i take the 80d or the nikon d750 ?
You're right it does look sharper.
Now all you need is a steady tripod and wind screen?
Thanks for great tip!
Hey bud, what lense are you using?
Do you know of any other programs that can do this that are for beginners?
Abdullah Saady Hey! I would use Hitfilm 4 express, it's free and will do what your looking for.
Look up a tutorial on how to use it for sharpening.
Thanks for the tests, Matt. Sharpening in post seems to add halos. You can see it on the no fishing sign. Maybe using a setting less than 75 would be best for me. I'd like to see your post processed video @75 vs the Sony a6300. I'd be interested if the Sony has halos when looking at the no fishing sign.
Hi, does this also apply, while shooting stills. Or, what is your suggestion on the setting to get a sharper picture while talking a photograph on the Canon 80d. Great work! love your channel.
I myself would suggest that if the 80D has a sharpening setting for stills... play around with it and see what works. Let us know how it works out for you...
Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM or Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM or 70-200 f/4l which is good for canon 80 D ?
good video. still learning my 80d I think the post was good but not a lot of difference from 7. awesome video I will try it. I wish you would have shown different things like cars, people, and food. maybe we can see difference better. thank you for your videos... do a
grading pleeeeeaaaasssse
Can you do some compassion between "Panasonic G7 with standard setting in 1080p 30fps" vs "80D with post sharpening"? It would be very interesting to see, at least for myself :).
Try to put compare video next to each other, so it's easy to compare.
Where can I find Adobe Premier Pro, I have Elements 13 and I don't see a sharpener. Ideas? BTW Nice job
Great tip but i dont have a pc or mac for post production.
what mic are you using? great video
Thanks for the tip. Very very useful. But to my taste is over-sharpened for I see a kind of halo in the 0+post setup. Still, it's way better than the default. If there's a way to mask the sharpening in PP like in LR, then maybe that's I'd go for.
Definitely looks better in post. Thanks for sharing this valuable information!
Good idea, gonna try it out. But it would have been a bit more helpful with the shots being side by side to really see the changes. Maybe next time!
Hi Matt,what is the setting in FCPX?Great comment thank you.
I do that little trick also with my Canon XC10...good vid.
Can I do this with the t6i and imovie?
I want a Canon 80d, but really, no joking aside, the video you took (the detailed one) looks like you were using a Samsung Galaxy S7 Active.
But those still images though, one word. DAMN!
Very useful video, thanks a lot man
so how do you add sharpness in post in PP, forgot to mention that to complete the task?
totally right! Thanks for the info, I will now set to 0 and do postsharpening
Lol the wind at the end.... great video thank you for the test!
I'm going to have to test this tonight, Thanks!
Can I use Sony vegas to sharpen?
whats the best sharpening setting in premiere to use? unsharp mask? Or just the standard sharpening? Thanks
the simple "Sharpen" from the effects menu in PP is the most primitive and seems to focus mostly on the very high contrast areas of your image. an example of high contrast would be in this video with the water behind the ducks neck where with high amounts of sharpening you get a white halo. granite the tester was using abnormal amounts of sharpending at times to just show a comparison. the plugin "UnsharpMask" is very good to use because you can reduce your "radius" to lower than "1" then crank the hell out of the "Amount" and get lots of sharpening without the "halo" effect. the problem with unsharp mask is that its "NOT" in realtime. argh! you have to render to see the effect and would need to be done at the end of a project prior to exporting. i think the best option if you have a newer version of PP CC would be the sharpening in the "LUMETRI" color correction plugin. you find it under the "Creative" tab in the Lumetri plugin in. you can crank this many times all the way up but don't get the halo effect and really overall its very impressive. the great thing about this plugin is..."it runs in Real Time"!!! assuming you have a moderately capable computer to get the GPU power to drive the RT plugins.
formattester6 Thanks for the reply! Very helpful!
That's amazing, I'm going try it right now!
I gotta say I feel like a complete idiot. I have been filming for awhile now with the 80D. I have tried different profiles, color grading in post, and even purchased some flat profiles and I just wasn't happy with the crispness of my videos. After watching this I realized it's because the profiles had no sharpness....DOH. Using sharpness makes my shots KILLER now...Thanks so much for the video.
Finally right on point video on the topic!! Thanks a million!
wow that was awesome improvement!! i appreciate u posted this video!. but i'll need to try it with finalcut pro. hopefully it wud work
I wonder if that also applies to images?? For example bringing my 7D mark ii to 0 sharpening and then go to post processing.
Anthony M shoot raw rather than zero sharpened jpegs
Yes RAW is your best choice for images
me i know what your settings and do you have put in raw to shoot video
Man, the aliasing is REAL when you crank that sharpening to 75. I think the In-Camera 7 setting actually has less aliasing than the post sharpening, oddly enough.
At first... ohhh ok ok ok..... ok ok ok ..... and then after you let us see the quality in post.... BOOM!!!!!!!! Thank you Sir for sharing.... It is indeed a very helpful video..... keep it up.... Im a new subscriber of you channel... looking forward on your next videos.... Thanks again...
Oh matt.. still finding your videos helpful. May your soul rest in peace brother.
Did he die????
@@thomasgonzales770 yeah, almost a year ago from now. they say that it was depression that took him. I hope you understand what that means.
Definitely better with sharpening in post processing. Nice examples.
You just got a subscriber. Thank you for this sir. Couldn't figure out why our images on our 5diii were so soft
What production software do you use
ADOBE PREMIER PRO CC
This is actually the same way I do it to the Lumix G7. Turn the sharpness all the way down and add it back in post :D
out of the box looks good
How to put it into post?
Matt is not with us anymore, so I'll reply this for you. Use software such as Adobe Premiere Pro or Sony Vegas or Final Cut Pro
great tip
I’m watching this video on my iPhone 6, so maybe it’s hard to see on a smaller screen but I cannot tell the difference between the different settings when it comes to sharpness at all. Maybe I don’t have a well trained eye?
Thank you
nice test
Great tip, Thanks!
very helpful thank you
Thank you!
Strange video, why not sharpen the sharpened shots? Or at least compare. Don't get me wrong, I turn off everything to 0, but still.
Looks over sharpened in post, noticeable fringing.
Yup... looked better at the default 3, unless you prefer jaggies and fringing.
Great video
A. Get a Canon 80d...B. Get Adobe Premiere Pro. What is the other option if B. is not a possibility ?
Thank You, Dude!
It's good video!
yeah! thanks for this tip!
every time I see your videos, I can't help to not think of Garth Brooks
of course, you know!
There are obvious differences, but unless the shots are compared in split frames, it's not as easy to tell honestly.
Thank you....
you should start making your vlogs
I dont want to hear the word sharp anymore in my life ;) besides that good video. Gave a thumbs up
Seven looks good without post
That would be easier, wouldn't it? I'll up my sharpening for my photos because of this.
Good video. But you need a muff on your mic.
Not possible to listen to this in headphones because of the wind :(
come on...really?
Nice...
I wish the 80D had not an AA filter...
What if u can’t afford adobe premiere 🤷🏽♂️😂
You can always get DaVinci free version
Sweet
Just gotta sharpen that AUDIO!
Sharpness and detail. A fight that Canon 80d owners will have to battle all the time. One thing you didn't say to improve the quality for RUclips viewing is to upscale as a 4k video (perhaps adding some noise). RUclips will downscale to much better quality 1080p footage.
John_M can we upscale the Full HD quality of video in 80D into 4K? How?
Create a 4k project. Import the footage. Add a little 4k noise (youtube
cannot tell the difference between this and actual 4k.
Export/compress/upload. It'll look significantly better on RUclips.
Hahaha the mic also switch huh!?
i cant even tell a difference