@ they are simple to repair but in outlaws case it was a busted frame and they just mailed it back to him twice saying “it still shoots you’re good” S&W customer service is always pretty good
Hey SPN, I got a story for you.... I did months of research and multiple range trips renting pistols to decide on a new edc. I finally decided on the original p365. It felt good in the hand and shot very well for its size, and on paper everything fits the bill. I knew there was some quality control issues when they were first released but I was hoping that they were solved. So I made the jump and bought one of my own from Bass pro. Bass pro doesn't let you dry fire because all of their triggers have locks on them. But hey, I didn't need to test the trigger I've shot it a few times already and I knew what I was getting into. I get home later that day and open up the box and take off the trigger lock. AND THE TRIGGER WAS WIGGLING AROUND LIKE A LOOSE TOOTH READY TO FALL OUT! I opened up the pistol and checked out the FCU and would you believe it? THE TRIGGER SHOE PIN WAS NOT EVEN THERE! I was so upset I was beside myself… How did it leave the factory like this? And how was it not noticed by the person putting on the lock at Bass pro? That's a double QC issue to me. Bass pro has a no refund policy so when I brought it back they said they would send it for free to sig to have it checked out. I actually live about a half an hour from the sig facility in New Hampshire so I decided to go for a ride and take it to them in person. They were rude, but the tech did fix the gun and put a couple rounds through it in the range to make sure it was functional. You think maybe they would do that before they sent it out huh? I went to the range that evening and put 200 rounds through it, mostly rapid fire and it ran great. Not one hiccup and by the end of the session I was very satisfied and glad that I got it fixed. I went home, cleaned it up nice, and practice some drawing and dry firing. Then I shut the lights off to practice in the dark and guess what? THE FRONT SIGHT WAS NO LONGER GLOWING! The next day I went back to Bass pro and made a huge stink to the manager until she agreed to buy the gun back off of me. Praise God I got my money back. I want nothing to do with sig anymore and I should have known better. What a nightmare that experience was. At the end of it all, I decided on the Beretta APX series of pistols because they're cheap, comfortable, reliable, and built like tanks. If you made it to the end, thank you for listening to my story and God bless.
I recently debated between the 43x mos and the Xmacro. I’ve owned and currently own Glocks and other Sigs. Because of things you described and past experiences I went with the 43x mos. I wonder if sig is aware of all the business they are losing..?
Theres a video from a few weeks ago of a brand-new steel P320 Legion blowing up on camera. The owner sent the pistol and footage to Sig and they said it wasn't their fault, but the ammo companies and he could pay Sig 1,000 for a new gun. When he declined and asked if he could get his gun back, Sig said 'No' and when he asked for an engineer's report so he could show it to the ammo company and get them to replace/reimburse Sig started copping an attitude like the owner was some kind of scammer. smh
If I remember correctly, the ammo company actually reimbursed him for the cost of the gun even though Sig didn’t actually provide proof it was the hot ammo, good on the company but bad on Sig
They abandoned their own damn cartridge. That says everything about Sig’s faith in their past and future. Say what you will about 45gap but at least Glock still stands behind the cartridge
Thanks max! I've been wanting something new, but when I research potential new guns, all I see are reasons not to buy it. I had no knowledge of the PX4 until your post here. This might be my next purchase, people seem to love it. I'll go look at one this weekend.
Best advice I ever got for picking a carry gun was from a former Tier 1 guy years ago. He said, "Get a Glock. If you hate Glocks, get an M&P. Then you're done, start training." 10 years later, I still think that advice holds water.
My current PD issued the 320 and i carried it for three years with no issues. Our admin was having issues with Sig customer service to the point where they sent them all back. Considering our Chief came from a department that carried Sigs for years it was a big deal, and we went to the Glock 45s. While I was okay with the 320s, most my Sig experience came from 229s which I loved.
I had the same experience your friend had with Sigs "customer service". They wanted to charge me $55.00 to return my Sig P365 380 that ceased to function at around 700 rounds. Could not get the slide to cycle. Could not disassemble it. A local LE Sig armorer diagnosed the problem to be a broken recoil spring. Fixed it for the cost of new spring assembly. Won't carry it because I don't trust it. Won't buy another Sig.
My understanding with the $55 charge is that SIG have been receiving guns shipped to them for silly reasons not of their fault. It costs time and money for SIG to look at guns shipped to them and they want customers to be serious that there is a problem so that's why they charge them.
Years ago I had to make a decision to stop carrying my 1911 as my daily carry. Because the public didn't understand it's okay to have the hammer cocked back. There were two guns in the shop that I really liked a sig p320. And the Glock 22 because of its stellar reputation in law enforcement. I decided to go with the Glock because I need it to work. That was 11 years ago and thousands of rounds later and it's still chugging along. Even with a 9 mm conversion barrel in it still works every time.
Sig is a marketing company that also sells guns, in the way apple is a marketing company that also sells electronics. Modern sig, only shares the name with with the old sig that built their brand. The CEO is a loot goblin, which is why they got the military contract.
I'm a massive Sig fanboy, but having said that, I only trust their metal framed pistols. The P226 and the P229 are both probably in my top 5 favorite guns of all time.
GOODNESS! SPN is spitting hot fire on this one..... saying what gun tubers on here are afraid to say bc they are afraid to get negative comments..... THANK YOU SPN for this video and everything else you do for us..... i had 2 365s and got rid of both...... their mags suck amd thats just getting me started..... i will never get rid of my 226s but the new crap isnt for me
Actually, the gun tubers are afraid they will no longer get trial guns from the manufacturer if they badmouth their product. That's why it's hard to trust a lot of the reviews you see and hear.
@steve6969-v8t you are 100% right..... kinda sad..... the latest gun is the RxM.... theres nothing special about it when i shot it and 99% of the gun guys are giving it to much love
The Hellcat is just built different. It's not the easiest slide to rack, but it racks so smooth. No grit, no grind. It just feels like it was machined to perfection.
@clint6716 sig and hellcat have roughly the same trigger except that the sig is fully cocked which has caused so many of them to fail in the lawsuits when squeezed and assembled with faulty nim cast parts.
I agree with 99% of what was said. I do carry a P365 but when it came time to get something larger I went with the Hellcat Pro. Another example is the P365 Fuse. All kinds of problems with it. Sig relies on their customer base to do the field testing and then irons out the bugs in a future release. Any first generation striker fired Sig is doomed to have problems. My Glock 17 feels like a dinosaur compared to the P365 Fuse, but I have run HUNDREDS of rounds through it with zero issues.
I bought one of the very first Glock model 19 , a very low serial number in 1988 . The only thing I’ve replaced is the original magazines and still carrying it to this day.
@Mike-ox1bu yeah I just got the RXM and there's some issues with the mounting of a RMR optic and they got right back to me and I had it shipped to them all in the same day
2 of my LGS locations both said that Ruger and Taurus were the best (and easiest) companies to work with for any issues… both also said Glock was the hardest lol… not bad, just more work on their end… they both also said they rarely had to deal with Glock issues as they rarely had any. A good friend who is a firearm wholesaler in Louisiana thought Sig was one of the easiest to work with (he’s a Springfield/CZ guy).
I think a lot of people overlook the value of after-sale customer service and support when making gun purchase decisions. There have been a couple of times I have passed on making a purchase due to the manufacturer's reputation and support. Smith & Wesson and Ruger are known for their good customer support. I had to use Ruger's customer service once on an LCR revolver when the 9mm version first came out. After describing the issue, they immediately sent me a prepaid shipping label and told me to send it back so that they can fix it. A couple of week's later, they shipped it back with the issue resolved.
This is good coverage on this issue. I think you have made valid points with lots of thought put into them. This is hard to hear, but you presented it well. Thank you. ~ Sharon from Florida
I took mine out of service after their judgement against them for the P320. Now it sits unloaded…Flux Raider - A Worthy Addition to the Sig P320 ruclips.net/video/ZtBxX75jyHo/видео.html
@@jordancrossgrove8827 - it was actually a 320 X-Five legion. Anyways I disassembled the weapon, cleaned it, put it back together, put a magazine in to make sure she chambered… Never touched the trigger gun went off. Did it a dozen times before no issue. Sold that gun the next week.
I can definitely believe that about SIG charging to look at a problem. That’s wild. Meanwhile over here Smith & Wesson got back to me in a day and even answered my first phone call, sent me a prepaid shipping label for me to send out my M&P 15 Sport 2 with a broken gas key screw. They fixed it and replaced my bolt, even though their gunsmith did take a few weeks to send it back to me, S&W didn’t bs me at all or charge me anything and took care of my problem. Great communication with them too. Happy holidays SPN!
I think it's the people who work in customer service, not quite the whole company itself. I hear of good and bad customer service representatives in SIG, Smith, Glock. Whatever brand you buy and experience problems, you just have to hope the individual that works in customer service is a good apple.
Fell in love with sig when i got my west german P226. Carry an x macro now and have had no problems about 700 rounds in. Will check out your other sig videos about those issues you mentioned.
Help please, I'm on the fence. Been carrying and training with the base 365 since near launch. Recently it had a couple malfunctions with it and then bought a G19 for home and SHTF use. I really want to daily carry a G26 but am concerned about printing and comfort. The 365 is set up perfectly. What's your experience with daily carrying the Glock vs the 365?
Same. Fell for the hype and bought a 365. Liked it but started having malfs out of nowhere ~509 rounds in. Sold and got g26. The size is basically the same and it’s been reliable for years.
@@GaryCimsRN it boils down to a good holster. For me Muddy River Tactical or if you can wait for it, Kusiak which is incredible quality. I am still partial to my old Walther PPS as well but do not miss the P365. The only trade off for me is if I need to tuck my shirt in. Otherwise G26 checks all the boxes and is superior at the range.
As the world moves closer towards Artificial Intelligence, Sigs follows through with their self shooting guns. Excellent excellent excellent video on a based point of view! Lots of gun reviewers would be afraid of saying so in fear of the gun companies.
I love my Glocks and S&W Shields. My only experience with Sig Sauer was with my Sig 1911 Scorpion Carry that my brother carried for years. I sent it back to Sig on 8/2024. I paid sub 200 bucks to replace all the springs AND night sights which were getting very dim, a good deal to me. When I got the pistol back everything was as promised PLUS they replaced the thumb safety, hammer and and plunger (at no charge) as they had some sweat damage from my brother carrying it and not taking the proper care of the weapon.. Needless to say I was ecstatic with their customer service.... While I don't own any other Sigs, in the future, I would be tempted to try their product from the level of service I received....Just my experience, obviously there have been some with other experiences.
That sounds like KTM in the motorcycle industry. I have a German made P220 and a couple P239's (one NIB) and one P238 for the Mrs. The older metal frame guns are phenomenal, I haven't owned one of the newer Sig's.
Thank you so much for this SPN. All these young dudes think they absolutely need a 365 x macro tacops with threaded barrel and trijicon rmr. Its sad. SPN, can you make a video on 'Why guns are becoming a social status'? Because that's sadly what its coming to. I fell into that trap of buying SIG just for the name to impress people. Now I just carry my m&p gen 1 compact.
@@burnthompson286 100% i just said that to another glock fan. Ford didnt stop at the model t and call it good. like shadow systems or not, but why didnt glock do exactly what they did with their own product line. glock could have kept the same basic gun but added what customers want. a glock feels like crap in my hand, a MR920 feels awesome
Glock 19X that everyone had their paties in a bunch about sold like hotcakes and still selling but I haven't heard anything about a explosion of going off in holster like the 320 known auto blaster 😂
I hate SIG but I love my P365 XL. Tried to replace it with a glock 48 and had nothing but issues with it and Glock customer service was very unhelpful. Now I’m back to carrying the SIG and praying for Walther to come out with a slimline PDP.
My understanding is that the Glock 48 was launched in 2019 and the Glock 19 launched in 1988. So the 48 has 5 years of experience and the 19 has 36 years of experience. That's 36 years of quality fixing vs 5 years of quality fixing.
SPN nailed it-SIG Sauer’s recent decline in quality is undeniable. Outsourcing critical components to regions with questionable manufacturing standards has tarnished the brand's reputation for reliability. Meanwhile, Glock continues to reign supreme with its unwavering commitment to quality and performance. Glock’s perfection isn’t just a tagline-it’s a legacy built on unparalleled reliability, simplicity, and innovation. While SIG struggles with failures, Glock remains the go-to choice for professionals and enthusiasts who demand a firearm they can trust with their lives. Hats off to SPN Firearms for calling out the truth and giving credit where it’s due.
My Buddy is a police officer and his dept just bought them all new Sigs. Told him to look into the issues. I'm also a Glock Fanboy and he rags on me for it.
Ruger rxm is looking good too now. Good customer service and a slightly better grip angle than glock plus you can swap out most things for glock parts anyways
2 of my LGS locations both said that Ruger and Taurus were the best (and easiest) companies to work with for any issues… both also said Glock was the hardest lol… not bad, just more work on their end… they both also said they rarely had to deal with Glock issues as they rarely had any. A good friend who is a firearm wholesaler in Louisiana thought Sig was one of the easiest to work with (he’s a Springfield/CZ guy).
I am intrigued by the RXM, but learned my lesson on buying new designs soon after they come out. Maybe I will consider buying one after 1-2 years of history and a price drop ;)
I've had a lifetime commitment to my very first pistol. The gen 1 g17. I think I've cleaned it twice in 30 something years. I've owned and shot just about every gun made. The only brands I own now are glock and some caniks for family fun. You just really can't beat a glock no matter how hard they try. Id rather undercut a g27 trigger guard than buy another brand. They're just that reliable and fun. 🤷♂️
I’m glad I never jumped into the sig ecosystem. I tried a buddies years ago and could not stand the mushy trigger. That alone kept me away from all their products.
Understandable, he gets a lot of flack for it. SPN has a big heart, it would be hard for me to warn everyone of the most popular product out there… reminds me of Noah :).
Love your honesty & opinions. I agree Glock won’t let you down. I have never had a malfunction in my G26, G17 or G43X. I recently watched your video on your favorite Glock trigger upgrades. I am considering buying the Apex trigger for my G43X. The G43X is my EDC. Are the Apex triggers difficult to self install or do you recommend I have a gunsmith install?
@@BeardOperator California is extremely restrictive. Currently the Gen 3 is the only version of that model which is on the California accepted handgun list. Honestly it's probably a scam to force Glock to pay for all manner of fees to have California government officials review the new models.
I have a lot of Glocks. In my experience they have issues with their larger caliber guns. The new gen 5’s particularly. The G21, G20, and G30 have issues. My personal G-21 is a jam-o-matic. Sent it in to Glock and they said they didn’t see any problems. Still jams. Let’s not forget the G19 gen 4 issues when it was first introduced. And I also owned a G23 gen4 that jammed a lot. My point is that Glock has had issues and their customer service is a bit sketchy
I like both of mine but they rust like a mother fucker if you don't cerakoted them and keep the mags plus internals wet. My glock rusted a bit as well but nothing like my 365XLs. They have been more reliable than my 34 at the range and that's dirty, linty, and gross after carrying them everyday for months.
Here is a fresh take.. and I stand by it cause I owned one and can’t stand the other.. the p250 was a better gun then the p365 but the marketing behind it was horrible and prob 97% of p365 owners don’t even know it came 10 years after sig had already made the same gun already more or less and it got no traction.. The p250 was the better gun and it was the true serialized trigger platform before the p320 or p365 was even a mental concept. I wish smith or shadow systems or other companies had serialized trigger systems and such.. but I’ll stick with what I know and like.. I never liked the new stinker fired p300 series of pistols from the first time I dry fired one at the store as it felt like a toy gun.. I grew up shooting a p226 and fs92.. I couldn’t get over that and then came the drop issues, the initial 365 issues.. the fact the army spent all that money and isn’t using the p320 cause of the repeated issues still.. Sig is the new striker version of Kimber to me.. they used to be the cream of the crop with the 226 and 220 platforms.. The bulk of spec ops is still using Glocks.. the reason the 19x even exists in the commercial market is cause it was a military contract that fell through and they needed to seek all those pre build firearms.. the 19x was never supposed to be a commercial firearm lol. My first competition gun was a p226.. I put so many rounds though it you could take the skid off the rails wo breaking it down cause the aluminum vs metal had a 50-60k max lifespan.. I have an fs92 that was my first firearm ever.. replaced the recoils rod at 70k and it’s still one of my go to pistols for reliability. I live in Florida.. I couldn’t deal with spending p365 money and getting rugar lcp2 like finishes.. even a smith will rust on me in a few months.. what would an sig 375 do 😂😂😂. They are rusting for normal people in normal climate in 3 months time.. would last me 3 weeks in Florida.. All that said.. I won’t lie I fn hate Glocks.. they refuse to modernize at all.. I hate the ergos, I hate the grip angle… I also don’t shoot them as good as I should.. but I will never hate on them cause they work.. and on my wife’s nightstand is my old g19 with my old tlr2 light laser combo 😅.. it also has a factory flack 33 rounder in it full of hst.. I spend a lot of time working out of town.. that gun works.. that mag is more then enough to handle any situation.. and that laser on the old tlr2 as weak as that light is that laster is spot on to 15-20 yards on that gun and my wife can’t shoot red dots for some odd reason.. so that is what she gets when I’m out of town working for the week.. and it’s because I trust my life’s family to that might, that master, that mag, that ammo and that firearm.. cause they just all work wo issues.. I hate Glock but for the majority of people I’d tell them just get a g19 cause it’s the do all tried and true that just works wo issue.. not cheap, not fancy, grip socks, trigger take la getting used to.. but when your life is on the line you want a gun that works everytime wo issue and Glock imop is only second to Beretta imop for that and beretta maybe the one company less able to modernize with the time the Glock 😂😂 I don’t carry one anymore.. but if I were throwing in war gear tomorrow and waking out the door it would be very hard for me to not have a Glock on my hip at that time.. they have more then earned the respect and name
i bought the p365 then put the wilson combat grip module on it, shot around 1k rounds thru it and traded it for another gen5 glock 17. I also bought the xmacro, shot it a lot, qualified for security team with it, then sold it for what i had in it and pocketed the money. like spn says, sig-sauer makes good weapons but for me, I’ll keep edc-ing my glocks. and yep i’m a glock tard, but no apologies here for a pistol that is extremely reliable.
@@jlsgarage872 to each their own but with so many excellent firearms out there, for me to purchase so many Glocks is asinine..it’s the same gun just different calibers…I personally like variety
@@cohoonatube I think a manufacturer has to make a lot of compromises on their product to make the military happy. Glock doesn't have to do that in my opinion.
I’m patiently waiting SA to come out with their sig fuse sized hellcat . Thousands of rounds through my hc pro without any issues. I also had a barrel rifling issue on my tx 22. Called Taurus up and they said they would send me a new barrel or I could send it in. I knew it was the barrel so I had them do that. Fixed the issue and it was free of charge. The tx is a phenomenal gun also!
Thank god for a video like this ! I tried to love sig , but the finish and overall build quality is so below every gun manufacturer out on the market !
Facts. Out of the multiple Glocks I own, I’ve had one problem with the G45, and it was easily fixed in minutes with a $10-20 replacement stock trigger assembly. The only thing Sig makes that I find interesting is the Romeo X Compact red dot, which is really nice. The bigger one is less impressive, but still a decent dot.
Spot on again brother. I also own a couple sig 1911’s but their customer service is just not there. I also own S&W firearms and their customer service is solid. I think the reason that I prefer Glock is the fact the they are reliable and their CS is top notch ( at least on the rare occasions that I needed them ) All these new micro nines and Glock copies may very well be good firearms but they don’t have the decades of proven reliability and CS that Glock has. To each his own but I know what’s worked for me.
Hey @spnfirearms where can I find the Sig Sauer documentary you mentioned? Or if you know the name of it that would help. I tried to Google and find it but a million videos came up and I don’t want to waste any time listening to a robot praising them and blowing smoke about how great they are. Thanks man appreciate it! Keep it up!
I temporarily owned a P365 and after 4 trips back and forth from SIG i got rid of it, i was honest when I sold it! Then when I heard SIG landed the Government contract i immediately thought of Dick Jones quote in the first Robocop movie when he said they had Military contracts with spare parts, who cares if it works or not.
Having a pre-cocked striker in a gun with parts that were originally designed and tested for a hammer fired gun, (the p250)is still at the core of the problem I think. Even with a manual sear disconnect from the voluntary upgrade I think design is still flawed in that under certain conditions the plunger(like in glocks) holding the striker back, which in the case of the P320 is always under pressure can depress itself under its own weight or affirm jerk in a certain direction and I think still just let the striker forward and the gun would indeed just fire itself. No “” rqd.
Alot of the Sig guys will tell you their 320 is better than the Glock because of modularity. An oversold hype train feature that has marginal benefit. If you really want to go for something modular - get a Beretta APX or Ruger RXM. Ridiculous. As an aside, I can confirm the finish issues on Sig products have been persistant for some time. My 320 had rusty parts and 365 was rusting constantly. My 43x I've had for the past 2 years has been carried daily and has no speck of rust on it.
Glock is the supreme master race. They don't need hi viz night sights and 5 extra magazines and a free holster and a fancy case to get the point across.. they simply just work and are reliable.
gotta say, you’re not wrong. Not at all In fact, I just had my P3 65 apart earlier today for some cleaning, and shockingly my Taurus GX4 looks as good or better in terms of the internals not sure why the hell that is.... it certainly shouldn’t be the case.
Last fall I was down to P365 or S&W M&P Compact 2.0 for my first ever 9mm (old 1911 semi-Fudd here). Ultimately went with the S&W after seeing an inordinate amount of reports of 365 issues in both 380 and 9mm. Zero regrets or issues with the Smith, lovely handgun, and I'm enjoying my "new" caliber. Admittedly, S&W treated me right on 380 EZ issues years ago and my M&P .22 has also been great for ages so it was easy to lean that direction. The hype around the 365 almost had me at first, though.
@@PistolPeterson859 I bought an M18 and a couple diff P365's to test for adoption. We did not adopt. Their current offerings are not what they used to be. My 1986 P226 is amazing- so I do not believe I qualify as a SIG-hater. Price to performance ratio of the special editions that run 'better' is also ridiculous. There is no good reason to pump money into a lot of their mediocrity.
@@shoottothrillphotoWI well, the P365 and the P226 are two totally different guns that cost two vastly different amounts. Not really comparable - obviously the $1,500+ gun is higher quality than the $400 one. That said, they have the two largest innovations in the firearm market in the last 20 years - the modular FCU and stack-and-a-half magazine. To pretend like S&W isn't without their fair share of QC issues is just laughable, and they're copying innovation from SIG, just like Glock, HK, and every other major manufacturer. I just purchased the new BG 2.0. The trigger is super gritty and unpredictable, the manual safety is so stiff you literally have to use your entire thumb to engage/disengage it, and the magazines can't even be filled to capacity without malfunction even after a couple months of use. I've had FAR more issues from my two SW guns than my 4 SIG P365’s, and I'm far from the only one with these issues. The BG 2.0 is plagued with issues.
@@steve6969-v8t Still well-pleased so far. It's been a great intro to the 9mm world. 4.0, Optics ready, newer flat trigger, FDE. Considering an FPC now for mag compatibility, or maybe even a 3.6 inch sub compact version of the M&P 2.0 in the summer for slightly less grip printing. For the sub compact, I'd have to get a newer flat trigger style upgrade based on my preference compared to the hinged style on my M&P .22. Thinner or not, shield pluses and newer stuff just isn't exciting me compared to the older 2.0 "hefty" styles.
Sig Sauer scares the living crap out of me. I mean, I keep thinking I want to get one! Only to strap on a 19, 19X, 26, or 30S before heading out ... and somehow or other the feeling goes away. Who knew that knowing something will always bang - only when it should - was so cleansing and clarifying? Get the Glocks, and get home to see your loved ones that same day.
I was originally going to buy a sig for a pistol chassis project, but I just cannot get over the safety issues. I despise glocks, but I'll have to deal with it because it's the only other platform around for good chassis, and as bad as I am shooting it, at least it's safe and reliable
I chose the hellcat over p365 for the reliability issues. On top of that 365 is more expensive...and id choose glock over sig for sriker fired any day of the week regardless of me having to change sights on the glock
SIGs marketing team has done work. I don't own one. they make a fine product, but I've always found something I liked more, that usually cost less from SW M&P, CZ, Walther, Glock, or Ruger, etc. Wouldn't trade any of my Glocks, Shields, or M&Ps for one.
i would never carry it, but man my 320 axg is so nice. feels like the only gun i can hit shit with. its an amazing home defense gun, or just a range toy honestly. my problem with sig is just their ego. they think their the shit, and their new releases arent exactly backing that up lol. they are living off the still amazing p226 legacy
Can’t stand modern SIG. I’ve owned 226’s and 227’s, and both were solid. Had a 320 variant and a P938 legion and both were horrid. The P320 RXP X-Compact had trigger slap so bad I sent it in to customer service. The tech calls and says “yeah it’s there and has significant trigger slap but we have no way to adjust it, and it’s a byproduct of the design so we’re sending it back.” $1000+ for a pistol that is less comfortable to shoot than a Taurus. Modern US sig is garbage, they made a mistake pulling their mfg. from Europe. I’ve largely switched to HK’s and Walther’s, and couldn’t be happier. ACTUAL quality firearms with excellent customer service too.
There one of the best if not the best guns that I own. This guy is laughable for real!! A lot of hear say which he then makes a video about. No first hand experience at all.
I’m old school, bought a p365 and couldn’t get over the fact it didn’t have a manual safety. I really tried to over come my Fud tendencies but couldn’t. Had the option to add one and did, it was also ambidextrous, cool option to switch the mag release. This southpaw couldn’t be happier with sig 🤷♂️
My P320 which is California compliant was nothing but trouble from day one. First magazine in the gun at the range it didn’t go into battery…thought maybe because it new shot 200’rounds that day no problem. Each trip to the range it would get more no battery or failure to extract, stove top etc etc. the screw on the Romeo sight also sheered off. I have a couple of HK’s and a couple of Glocks never had an issue with those four guns and I put major rounds through them. Very disappointed because the Sig had the tightest grouping of any hand gun I’ve ever fired .
I don't support sig for these exact reasons. Thanks for making this video man. And I plain and simple don't trust the p320 after all the drama surrounding it.
I had a front sight go dark on my 365x so I contacted Sig, heard back right away. Charged me nothing to send it in and in fact sent me a UPS shipping label. Had it back with a brand new front sight (and they sent it back in a better, Sig-branded box) in less than 2 weeks. Sucks for your buddy.
Love it. SPN trashes Sig for 17 minutes straight while holding a Glock in our face.....Boss!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this is why we watch🙏🏾
gross ugly ass guns lols
The Glock is speaking to us
Yeah idk why he didn't hold a sig lol
A beautiful specimen as well. Love the two-tone with front serrations
Nobody knows if Glock has good or bad customer service because nobody has had to deal with them.
Ha 😂
Honest outlaw documented how bad Glock customer service is
@joeytunez that sucks, but thankfully glocks are pretty easy to fix yourself
@ they are simple to repair but in outlaws case it was a busted frame and they just mailed it back to him twice saying “it still shoots you’re good” S&W customer service is always pretty good
@@joeytunezalso heard ruger has insanely awesome CS
Hey SPN, I got a story for you....
I did months of research and multiple range trips renting pistols to decide on a new edc. I finally decided on the original p365. It felt good in the hand and shot very well for its size, and on paper everything fits the bill. I knew there was some quality control issues when they were first released but I was hoping that they were solved. So I made the jump and bought one of my own from Bass pro.
Bass pro doesn't let you dry fire because all of their triggers have locks on them. But hey, I didn't need to test the trigger I've shot it a few times already and I knew what I was getting into.
I get home later that day and open up the box and take off the trigger lock. AND THE TRIGGER WAS WIGGLING AROUND LIKE A LOOSE TOOTH READY TO FALL OUT!
I opened up the pistol and checked out the FCU and would you believe it? THE TRIGGER SHOE PIN WAS NOT EVEN THERE!
I was so upset I was beside myself…
How did it leave the factory like this? And how was it not noticed by the person putting on the lock at Bass pro? That's a double QC issue to me.
Bass pro has a no refund policy so when I brought it back they said they would send it for free to sig to have it checked out. I actually live about a half an hour from the sig facility in New Hampshire so I decided to go for a ride and take it to them in person.
They were rude, but the tech did fix the gun and put a couple rounds through it in the range to make sure it was functional.
You think maybe they would do that before they sent it out huh?
I went to the range that evening and put 200 rounds through it, mostly rapid fire and it ran great. Not one hiccup and by the end of the session I was very satisfied and glad that I got it fixed.
I went home, cleaned it up nice, and practice some drawing and dry firing. Then I shut the lights off to practice in the dark and guess what? THE FRONT SIGHT WAS NO LONGER GLOWING!
The next day I went back to Bass pro and made a huge stink to the manager until she agreed to buy the gun back off of me. Praise God I got my money back. I want nothing to do with sig anymore and I should have known better.
What a nightmare that experience was.
At the end of it all, I decided on the Beretta APX series of pistols because they're cheap, comfortable, reliable, and built like tanks.
If you made it to the end, thank you for listening to my story and God bless.
Wow. That is absolutely unbelievable. This is exactly what I’m talking about.. respect and thanks for sharing!
I recently debated between the 43x mos and the Xmacro. I’ve owned and currently own Glocks and other Sigs. Because of things you described and past experiences I went with the 43x mos. I wonder if sig is aware of all the business they are losing..?
Sig is the Boeing of the gun world
Sky
DAMN !!! 😅😅😅😅
Mic Drop!
Last great sidearm they did was the 226 everything after is overrated.
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Love them or hate them, SIG has sold a lot of Glocks! 😂
Theres a video from a few weeks ago of a brand-new steel P320 Legion blowing up on camera.
The owner sent the pistol and footage to Sig and they said it wasn't their fault, but the ammo companies and he could pay Sig 1,000 for a new gun.
When he declined and asked if he could get his gun back, Sig said 'No' and when he asked for an engineer's report so he could show it to the ammo company and get them to replace/reimburse Sig started copping an attitude like the owner was some kind of scammer.
smh
If I remember correctly, the ammo company actually reimbursed him for the cost of the gun even though Sig didn’t actually provide proof it was the hot ammo, good on the company but bad on Sig
You believe everything you see on youtube? Everything you read? You personally went and investigated this? I'm calling BS.
The fact that Sig doesn’t manufacture any 40 S&W handguns anymore, or .357 Sig for that matter, tells me everything.
Yeah that that ammo is to expensive
They abandoned their own damn cartridge. That says everything about Sig’s faith in their past and future. Say what you will about 45gap but at least Glock still stands behind the cartridge
@@burnthompson286 Glock has done more to keep 357 Sig alive than any other company.
The market isn't there, it's simple
@ramonflores8220 yah but 357 sig is worth it, same weight as 9mm but near double the power
Guns don't kill people. Sig, Hold my beer.
😂😂😂
Glock = less moving parts.
P365 = complicated mouse trap, more things to break
Also design, QC, and company philosophy
@ since the Glock 19 has been sold to nearly every armed service and law enforcement around the world, it has been heavily tested
I carry Beretta PX4s and Beretta 92s: two of the most tested and safest guns in production. No problems here.
Me too, Beretta 92 & G22
Thanks max! I've been wanting something new, but when I research potential new guns, all I see are reasons not to buy it. I had no knowledge of the PX4 until your post here. This might be my next purchase, people seem to love it. I'll go look at one this weekend.
Best advice I ever got for picking a carry gun was from a former Tier 1 guy years ago. He said, "Get a Glock. If you hate Glocks, get an M&P. Then you're done, start training." 10 years later, I still think that advice holds water.
My current PD issued the 320 and i carried it for three years with no issues. Our admin was having issues with Sig customer service to the point where they sent them all back. Considering our Chief came from a department that carried Sigs for years it was a big deal, and we went to the Glock 45s. While I was okay with the 320s, most my Sig experience came from 229s which I loved.
I bet you violate constitutional rights often.
I had the same experience your friend had with Sigs "customer service". They wanted to charge me $55.00 to return my Sig P365 380 that ceased to function at around 700 rounds. Could not get the slide to cycle. Could not disassemble it. A local LE Sig armorer diagnosed the problem to be a broken recoil spring. Fixed it for the cost of new spring assembly. Won't carry it because I don't trust it. Won't buy another Sig.
They don't need your business because they've already got your tax dollars.
My understanding with the $55 charge is that SIG have been receiving guns shipped to them for silly reasons not of their fault. It costs time and money for SIG to look at guns shipped to them and they want customers to be serious that there is a problem so that's why they charge them.
Years ago I had to make a decision to stop carrying my 1911 as my daily carry. Because the public didn't understand it's okay to have the hammer cocked back. There were two guns in the shop that I really liked a sig p320. And the Glock 22 because of its stellar reputation in law enforcement. I decided to go with the Glock because I need it to work. That was 11 years ago and thousands of rounds later and it's still chugging along. Even with a 9 mm conversion barrel in it still works every time.
I still carry my 1911s cocked and locked, who cares what people say if you know it’s safe
i got a glock a year ago that looks like its been traded through every hood in the us, and it runs great lol
Lol you got the onlyfans model. Although your Glock is worth more than actual onlyfans models 😂😂😂
About that...Can I get that back bro?
I wouldn't trade my 19 for every sig the government bought.
😂 29 for me
Facts!!!
That’s how I feel about my g17😂
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idk man that P226 is peak. other than this I agree.
Sig is a marketing company that also sells guns, in the way apple is a marketing company that also sells electronics. Modern sig, only shares the name with with the old sig that built their brand. The CEO is a loot goblin, which is why they got the military contract.
It's fine to market to sell make money, but companies also need good faith to take good care of their customers.
European SIG built a brand on quality. US SIG rode the coattails of that brand and switched quality for quantity.
I'm a massive Sig fanboy, but having said that, I only trust their metal framed pistols. The P226 and the P229 are both probably in my top 5 favorite guns of all time.
THIS
GOODNESS! SPN is spitting hot fire on this one..... saying what gun tubers on here are afraid to say bc they are afraid to get negative comments..... THANK YOU SPN for this video and everything else you do for us..... i had 2 365s and got rid of both...... their mags suck amd thats just getting me started..... i will never get rid of my 226s but the new crap isnt for me
Actually, the gun tubers are afraid they will no longer get trial guns from the manufacturer if they badmouth their product. That's why it's hard to trust a lot of the reviews you see and hear.
@steve6969-v8t you are 100% right..... kinda sad..... the latest gun is the RxM.... theres nothing special about it when i shot it and 99% of the gun guys are giving it to much love
The initial SA Hellcat marketing made fun of the P365 reliability problems…the Hellcat has been flawless since day 1
One of the best feeling micros I’ve ever held
The Hellcat is just built different. It's not the easiest slide to rack, but it racks so smooth. No grit, no grind. It just feels like it was machined to perfection.
Where can I read or see the hellcat marketing???
Trigger is ass though
@clint6716 sig and hellcat have roughly the same trigger except that the sig is fully cocked which has caused so many of them to fail in the lawsuits when squeezed and assembled with faulty nim cast parts.
I never plan to own an sig, but man I wish Glock would just go metal sights from factory… (I’m a Glock guy)
Seriously!!!
… I’d rather they just dropped the price by 50 bucks so I can still buy my own
@@Excelnaught-f4b interesting take, I respect your opinion.
Got a 19 gen 4 FS a few months ago, came with metal sights straight from the factory
Buy some PSA Dagger sights.
I agree with 99% of what was said. I do carry a P365 but when it came time to get something larger I went with the Hellcat Pro. Another example is the P365 Fuse. All kinds of problems with it. Sig relies on their customer base to do the field testing and then irons out the bugs in a future release. Any first generation striker fired Sig is doomed to have problems. My Glock 17 feels like a dinosaur compared to the P365 Fuse, but I have run HUNDREDS of rounds through it with zero issues.
Love the video! Finally someone not on their knees for Sig
this dude is CLEARLY paid off by glock...everyone knows that Sig is the greatest gun manufacturer of all time...
@@ankhscrackpipeemeritus2092😂😂😂 good one
I bought one of the very first Glock model 19 , a very low serial number in 1988 . The only thing I’ve replaced is the original magazines and still carrying it to this day.
Ruger has great fast customer service
I've used Ruger's Customer Service twice now and each time they've been Awesome!!!
@Mike-ox1bu yeah I just got the RXM and there's some issues with the mounting of a RMR optic and they got right back to me and I had it shipped to them all in the same day
@@Hebrews10_26 Yep, they even sent mine back free of charge each time I used them. Great Company!
2 of my LGS locations both said that Ruger and Taurus were the best (and easiest) companies to work with for any issues… both also said Glock was the hardest lol… not bad, just more work on their end… they both also said they rarely had to deal with Glock issues as they rarely had any. A good friend who is a firearm wholesaler in Louisiana thought Sig was one of the easiest to work with (he’s a Springfield/CZ guy).
I think a lot of people overlook the value of after-sale customer service and support when making gun purchase decisions. There have been a couple of times I have passed on making a purchase due to the manufacturer's reputation and support. Smith & Wesson and Ruger are known for their good customer support. I had to use Ruger's customer service once on an LCR revolver when the 9mm version first came out. After describing the issue, they immediately sent me a prepaid shipping label and told me to send it back so that they can fix it. A couple of week's later, they shipped it back with the issue resolved.
But sometimes you never know how companies change. They may one day be good, then next day be bad and vice versa
P365 and P320m17. Thousands of rounds. Run flawlessly. About to purchase a P226. This coming from a Walther and HK guy.
This is good coverage on this issue. I think you have made valid points with lots of thought put into them. This is hard to hear, but you presented it well. Thank you. ~ Sharon from Florida
All I know is… Only ND in my entire life was a Sig P320.
Sig=overpriced trash
Story behind it? Interested to hear!
I took mine out of service after their judgement against them for the P320. Now it sits unloaded…Flux Raider - A Worthy Addition to the Sig P320
ruclips.net/video/ZtBxX75jyHo/видео.html
@@jordancrossgrove8827 - it was actually a 320 X-Five legion. Anyways I disassembled the weapon, cleaned it, put it back together, put a magazine in to make sure she chambered… Never touched the trigger gun went off. Did it a dozen times before no issue. Sold that gun the next week.
That would be classified as an accidental technically. Unless you accidentally pulled the trigger
I agree 💯 with this rant
I can definitely believe that about SIG charging to look at a problem. That’s wild. Meanwhile over here Smith & Wesson got back to me in a day and even answered my first phone call, sent me a prepaid shipping label for me to send out my M&P 15 Sport 2 with a broken gas key screw. They fixed it and replaced my bolt, even though their gunsmith did take a few weeks to send it back to me, S&W didn’t bs me at all or charge me anything and took care of my problem. Great communication with them too. Happy holidays SPN!
I think it's the people who work in customer service, not quite the whole company itself. I hear of good and bad customer service representatives in SIG, Smith, Glock. Whatever brand you buy and experience problems, you just have to hope the individual that works in customer service is a good apple.
Fell in love with sig when i got my west german P226. Carry an x macro now and have had no problems about 700 rounds in. Will check out your other sig videos about those issues you mentioned.
I sold my P365 almost four years ago for a G26 gen5 and never looked back.
Based.
Help please, I'm on the fence. Been carrying and training with the base 365 since near launch. Recently it had a couple malfunctions with it and then bought a G19 for home and SHTF use. I really want to daily carry a G26 but am concerned about printing and comfort. The 365 is set up perfectly. What's your experience with daily carrying the Glock vs the 365?
@@GaryCimsRN check out smith and wesson shield plus 2.0
Same. Fell for the hype and bought a 365. Liked it but started having malfs out of nowhere ~509 rounds in. Sold and got g26. The size is basically the same and it’s been reliable for years.
@@GaryCimsRN it boils down to a good holster. For me Muddy River Tactical or if you can wait for it, Kusiak which is incredible quality. I am still partial to my old Walther PPS as well but do not miss the P365. The only trade off for me is if I need to tuck my shirt in. Otherwise G26 checks all the boxes and is superior at the range.
As the world moves closer towards Artificial Intelligence, Sigs follows through with their self shooting guns.
Excellent excellent excellent video on a based point of view! Lots of gun reviewers would be afraid of saying so in fear of the gun companies.
I love my Glocks and S&W Shields.
My only experience with Sig Sauer was with my Sig 1911 Scorpion Carry that my brother carried for years. I sent it back to Sig on 8/2024. I paid sub 200 bucks to replace all the springs AND night sights which were getting very dim, a good deal to me.
When I got the pistol back everything was as promised PLUS they replaced the thumb safety, hammer and and plunger (at no charge) as they had some sweat damage from my brother carrying it and not taking the proper care of the weapon..
Needless to say I was ecstatic with their customer service.... While I don't own any other Sigs, in the future, I would be tempted to try their product from the level of service I received....Just my experience, obviously there have been some with other experiences.
Thanks for sharing, good to hear!
No one calls Glock customer service; they watcha RUclips video and buy the $20 part to fix it themselves haha
Sig has horrible customer service. They blame you for any issues you have and then charge you for it.
That sounds like KTM in the motorcycle industry.
I have a German made P220 and a couple P239's (one NIB) and one P238 for the Mrs. The older metal frame guns are phenomenal, I haven't owned one of the newer Sig's.
Glock is the only major manufacturer I’ve never had to send a gun back to. I have sent the most guns back to Sig.
Exactly, same here. Respect
Thank you so much for this SPN. All these young dudes think they absolutely need a 365 x macro tacops with threaded barrel and trijicon rmr. Its sad. SPN, can you make a video on 'Why guns are becoming a social status'? Because that's sadly what its coming to. I fell into that trap of buying SIG just for the name to impress people. Now I just carry my m&p gen 1 compact.
Summary. Glocks is like a Toyota
tell that to 2022 Tundra owners
@@mikemellon80it’s a 1980s design, it’s like if Toyota kept their 1985 pickup design ever since with only a handful of minor updates
@@burnthompson286 100% i just said that to another glock fan. Ford didnt stop at the model t and call it good. like shadow systems or not, but why didnt glock do exactly what they did with their own product line. glock could have kept the same basic gun but added what customers want. a glock feels like crap in my hand, a MR920 feels awesome
@@mikemellon80biggest pos truck I’ve ever owned… why can’t Glock make a truck
Glock 19X that everyone had their paties in a bunch about sold like hotcakes and still selling but I haven't heard anything about a explosion of going off in holster like the 320 known auto blaster 😂
Love my 19x
i was going to buy a sig x macro because i wanted a glock 43x variant but you sir have completely changed my mind. Thank you!
I hate SIG but I love my P365 XL. Tried to replace it with a glock 48 and had nothing but issues with it and Glock customer service was very unhelpful. Now I’m back to carrying the SIG and praying for Walther to come out with a slimline PDP.
Would also love to see a micro Echelon!
@ hellcat?
My understanding is that the Glock 48 was launched in 2019 and the Glock 19 launched in 1988. So the 48 has 5 years of experience and the 19 has 36 years of experience. That's 36 years of quality fixing vs 5 years of quality fixing.
p226 is a good gun
No doubt! The Sig 226 and 229 are some of the best firearms ever made!
SPN nailed it-SIG Sauer’s recent decline in quality is undeniable. Outsourcing critical components to regions with questionable manufacturing standards has tarnished the brand's reputation for reliability. Meanwhile, Glock continues to reign supreme with its unwavering commitment to quality and performance. Glock’s perfection isn’t just a tagline-it’s a legacy built on unparalleled reliability, simplicity, and innovation. While SIG struggles with failures, Glock remains the go-to choice for professionals and enthusiasts who demand a firearm they can trust with their lives. Hats off to SPN Firearms for calling out the truth and giving credit where it’s due.
Glock has the best customer service I have ever seen, from a gun company.
How many gun problems did you have and what gun companies did you dealt with?
I have 5 Sigs not one problem no FTFs no problems what so ever
i have distain for firearm makers that rely on customers as their QC dept. I'm talking to YOU PSA!
My Buddy is a police officer and his dept just bought them all new Sigs. Told him to look into the issues. I'm also a Glock Fanboy and he rags on me for it.
His department bought all new sigs because they were the cheapest lol
Favorite guntuber so down to earth spn your the shit bro
Sig use to be one of my favorite brand. Until the P320 going off. And the rusting issues.. I'm sticking with my m&p, glocks, Cz, caniks& FN
Ruger rxm is looking good too now. Good customer service and a slightly better grip angle than glock plus you can swap out most things for glock parts anyways
2 of my LGS locations both said that Ruger and Taurus were the best (and easiest) companies to work with for any issues… both also said Glock was the hardest lol… not bad, just more work on their end… they both also said they rarely had to deal with Glock issues as they rarely had any. A good friend who is a firearm wholesaler in Louisiana thought Sig was one of the easiest to work with (he’s a Springfield/CZ guy).
I am intrigued by the RXM, but learned my lesson on buying new designs soon after they come out. Maybe I will consider buying one after 1-2 years of history and a price drop ;)
@@steve6969-v8t lol a price drop? This thing is already cheap af
Walther PDP problem solved
Underrated gun, love my PDP
Top notch fun. I loved my full size so much, I got the pdp pro compact
I've had a lifetime commitment to my very first pistol. The gen 1 g17. I think I've cleaned it twice in 30 something years. I've owned and shot just about every gun made. The only brands I own now are glock and some caniks for family fun. You just really can't beat a glock no matter how hard they try. Id rather undercut a g27 trigger guard than buy another brand. They're just that reliable and fun. 🤷♂️
My GX4 was recalled ... gone 18 days, fixed for free, June 2023 ... great gun.
I’ve just been looking into this one.
I put a Hogue sleeve on my GX4, over the large backstrap ... feels great!
New model Taurus GX2 being released this week!
I’m glad I never jumped into the sig ecosystem. I tried a buddies years ago and could not stand the mushy trigger. That alone kept me away from all their products.
We get it. You don’t like sig. you mention this almost weekly.
Understandable, he gets a lot of flack for it. SPN has a big heart, it would be hard for me to warn everyone of the most popular product out there… reminds me of Noah :).
Love your honesty & opinions. I agree Glock won’t let you down. I have never had a malfunction in my G26, G17 or G43X. I recently watched your video on your favorite Glock trigger upgrades. I am considering buying the Apex trigger for my G43X. The G43X is my EDC. Are the Apex triggers difficult to self install or do you recommend I have a gunsmith install?
It's not hard brother. Just take your time. You can do it.
One of the best things about Glock is you can do basically all the work yourself after watching a few RUclips videos
Just remember to confirm its drop safe
Glock has treated us right in California by continuing the Gen 3's so we can buy reliable firearms.
So you can’t buy gen 4/5 glocks? Why? What makes them more dangerous?
@@BeardOperator California is extremely restrictive. Currently the Gen 3 is the only version of that model which is on the California accepted handgun list. Honestly it's probably a scam to force Glock to pay for all manner of fees to have California government officials review the new models.
Great video I couldn’t agree more. I had two Sig P365 where the striker firing pin broke. 👍🏻 I love my Glock 43X never an issue.
I have a lot of Glocks. In my experience they have issues with their larger caliber guns. The new gen 5’s particularly. The G21, G20, and G30 have issues. My personal G-21 is a jam-o-matic. Sent it in to Glock and they said they didn’t see any problems. Still jams. Let’s not forget the G19 gen 4 issues when it was first introduced. And I also owned a G23 gen4 that jammed a lot. My point is that Glock has had issues and their customer service is a bit sketchy
My p365xl has been the most reliable out of all my guns with well over 2k rounds in all kinds of configs and ammo. So I don't know. Maybe I'm lucky. 🤔
@@bbazzracing I agree my man 2yrs with my 365xl no rust no problems
Good to hear, thx for sharing.
I like both of mine but they rust like a mother fucker if you don't cerakoted them and keep the mags plus internals wet. My glock rusted a bit as well but nothing like my 365XLs. They have been more reliable than my 34 at the range and that's dirty, linty, and gross after carrying them everyday for months.
Here is a fresh take.. and I stand by it cause I owned one and can’t stand the other.. the p250 was a better gun then the p365 but the marketing behind it was horrible and prob 97% of p365 owners don’t even know it came 10 years after sig had already made the same gun already more or less and it got no traction..
The p250 was the better gun and it was the true serialized trigger platform before the p320 or p365 was even a mental concept.
I wish smith or shadow systems or other companies had serialized trigger systems and such.. but I’ll stick with what I know and like.. I never liked the new stinker fired p300 series of pistols from the first time I dry fired one at the store as it felt like a toy gun.. I grew up shooting a p226 and fs92.. I couldn’t get over that and then came the drop issues, the initial 365 issues.. the fact the army spent all that money and isn’t using the p320 cause of the repeated issues still..
Sig is the new striker version of Kimber to me.. they used to be the cream of the crop with the 226 and 220 platforms..
The bulk of spec ops is still using Glocks.. the reason the 19x even exists in the commercial market is cause it was a military contract that fell through and they needed to seek all those pre build firearms.. the 19x was never supposed to be a commercial firearm lol.
My first competition gun was a p226.. I put so many rounds though it you could take the skid off the rails wo breaking it down cause the aluminum vs metal had a 50-60k max lifespan..
I have an fs92 that was my first firearm ever.. replaced the recoils rod at 70k and it’s still one of my go to pistols for reliability.
I live in Florida.. I couldn’t deal with spending p365 money and getting rugar lcp2 like finishes.. even a smith will rust on me in a few months.. what would an sig 375 do 😂😂😂. They are rusting for normal people in normal climate in 3 months time.. would last me 3 weeks in Florida..
All that said.. I won’t lie I fn hate Glocks.. they refuse to modernize at all.. I hate the ergos, I hate the grip angle… I also don’t shoot them as good as I should.. but I will never hate on them cause they work.. and on my wife’s nightstand is my old g19 with my old tlr2 light laser combo 😅.. it also has a factory flack 33 rounder in it full of hst.. I spend a lot of time working out of town.. that gun works.. that mag is more then enough to handle any situation.. and that laser on the old tlr2 as weak as that light is that laster is spot on to 15-20 yards on that gun and my wife can’t shoot red dots for some odd reason.. so that is what she gets when I’m out of town working for the week.. and it’s because I trust my life’s family to that might, that master, that mag, that ammo and that firearm.. cause they just all work wo issues..
I hate Glock but for the majority of people I’d tell them just get a g19 cause it’s the do all tried and true that just works wo issue.. not cheap, not fancy, grip socks, trigger take la getting used to.. but when your life is on the line you want a gun that works everytime wo issue and Glock imop is only second to Beretta imop for that and beretta maybe the one company less able to modernize with the time the Glock 😂😂 I don’t carry one anymore.. but if I were throwing in war gear tomorrow and waking out the door it would be very hard for me to not have a Glock on my hip at that time.. they have more then earned the respect and name
i bought the p365 then put the wilson combat grip module on it, shot around 1k rounds thru it and traded it for another gen5 glock 17. I also bought the xmacro, shot it a lot, qualified for security team with it, then sold it for what i had in it and pocketed the money.
like spn says, sig-sauer makes good weapons but for me, I’ll keep edc-ing my glocks. and yep i’m a glock tard, but no apologies here for a pistol that is extremely reliable.
Sig only owns the edc market because glock only cares about le/military contracts. If they made a 15 rd 43x magazine they would dominate Sig
Especially if they started including decent sights and a better MOS.
Over 60 glocks? PLEASE make a video showing them all!
Do you also find that hard to believe?
@RepentorPerish77 no definitely not I've collected 12 over a year and a half
He's presented it in several videos showing his collection.
He might’ve meant he has HAD, and traded some because he stated he never sells them. That’s like a whole room just full of Glocks.😂
@@jlsgarage872 to each their own but with so many excellent firearms out there, for me to purchase so many Glocks is asinine..it’s the same gun just different calibers…I personally like variety
Glock didn't even build a modular pistol for military testing. They didn't have too.
I wish they had!
@@cohoonatube I think a manufacturer has to make a lot of compromises on their product to make the military happy. Glock doesn't have to do that in my opinion.
And hence they failed to win the contract unfortunately.
I’m patiently waiting SA to come out with their sig fuse sized hellcat . Thousands of rounds through my hc pro without any issues. I also had a barrel rifling issue on my tx 22. Called Taurus up and they said they would send me a new barrel or I could send it in. I knew it was the barrel so I had them do that. Fixed the issue and it was free of charge. The tx is a phenomenal gun also!
Agree! I rent it for my kids at the range. They all prefer it to the Glock 22 (to my surprise).
Did you need to change the recoil spring on the hellcat?
@@dean7673 no not yet
Thank god for a video like this ! I tried to love sig , but the finish and overall build quality is so below every gun manufacturer out on the market !
Facts. Out of the multiple Glocks I own, I’ve had one problem with the G45, and it was easily fixed in minutes with a $10-20 replacement stock trigger assembly.
The only thing Sig makes that I find interesting is the Romeo X Compact red dot, which is really nice. The bigger one is less impressive, but still a decent dot.
Spot on again brother. I also own a couple sig 1911’s but their customer service is just not there. I also own S&W firearms and their customer service is solid.
I think the reason that I prefer Glock is the fact the they are reliable and their CS is top notch ( at least on the rare occasions that I needed them )
All these new micro nines and Glock copies may very well be good firearms but they don’t have the decades of proven reliability and CS that Glock has. To each his own but I know what’s worked for me.
Hey @spnfirearms where can I find the Sig Sauer documentary you mentioned? Or if you know the name of it that would help. I tried to Google and find it but a million videos came up and I don’t want to waste any time listening to a robot praising them and blowing smoke about how great they are. Thanks man appreciate it! Keep it up!
Respect and enjoy ruclips.net/video/mtzPvJiuCL8/видео.htmlsi=eZ2lFmqh6pMxeD7O
I have a Sig P238. I love it and it's been flawless. I'm not a huge Sig fan, but I do love the 1 I have.
Great video I couldn’t agree more. I had two Sig P365 where the striker firing pin broke. 👍🏻
I temporarily owned a P365 and after 4 trips back and forth from SIG i got rid of it, i was honest when I sold it!
Then when I heard SIG landed the Government contract i immediately thought of Dick Jones quote in the first Robocop movie when he said they had Military contracts with spare parts, who cares if it works or not.
Never owned a Sig.. it seems they were one of the best before they went plastic.
Having a pre-cocked striker in a gun with parts that were originally designed and tested for a hammer fired gun, (the p250)is still at the core of the problem I think. Even with a manual sear disconnect from the voluntary upgrade I think design is still flawed in that under certain conditions the plunger(like in glocks) holding the striker back, which in the case of the P320 is always under pressure can depress itself under its own weight or affirm jerk in a certain direction and I think still just let the striker forward and the gun would indeed just fire itself. No “” rqd.
Alot of the Sig guys will tell you their 320 is better than the Glock because of modularity. An oversold hype train feature that has marginal benefit.
If you really want to go for something modular - get a Beretta APX or Ruger RXM. Ridiculous.
As an aside, I can confirm the finish issues on Sig products have been persistant for some time. My 320 had rusty parts and 365 was rusting constantly. My 43x I've had for the past 2 years has been carried daily and has no speck of rust on it.
Glock is the supreme master race. They don't need hi viz night sights and 5 extra magazines and a free holster and a fancy case to get the point across.. they simply just work and are reliable.
gotta say, you’re not wrong. Not at all
In fact, I just had my P3 65 apart earlier today for some cleaning, and shockingly my Taurus GX4 looks as good or better in terms of the internals
not sure why the hell that is.... it certainly shouldn’t be the case.
Last fall I was down to P365 or S&W M&P Compact 2.0 for my first ever 9mm (old 1911 semi-Fudd here). Ultimately went with the S&W after seeing an inordinate amount of reports of 365 issues in both 380 and 9mm. Zero regrets or issues with the Smith, lovely handgun, and I'm enjoying my "new" caliber. Admittedly, S&W treated me right on 380 EZ issues years ago and my M&P .22 has also been great for ages so it was easy to lean that direction. The hype around the 365 almost had me at first, though.
You missed out, pal. P365 is a fantastic handgun.
@@PistolPeterson859 I bought an M18 and a couple diff P365's to test for adoption. We did not adopt. Their current offerings are not what they used to be. My 1986 P226 is amazing- so I do not believe I qualify as a SIG-hater. Price to performance ratio of the special editions that run 'better' is also ridiculous. There is no good reason to pump money into a lot of their mediocrity.
@@shoottothrillphotoWI well, the P365 and the P226 are two totally different guns that cost two vastly different amounts. Not really comparable - obviously the $1,500+ gun is higher quality than the $400 one. That said, they have the two largest innovations in the firearm market in the last 20 years - the modular FCU and stack-and-a-half magazine. To pretend like S&W isn't without their fair share of QC issues is just laughable, and they're copying innovation from SIG, just like Glock, HK, and every other major manufacturer.
I just purchased the new BG 2.0. The trigger is super gritty and unpredictable, the manual safety is so stiff you literally have to use your entire thumb to engage/disengage it, and the magazines can't even be filled to capacity without malfunction even after a couple months of use. I've had FAR more issues from my two SW guns than my 4 SIG P365’s, and I'm far from the only one with these issues. The BG 2.0 is plagued with issues.
You made an excellent choice with that M&P Compact 2.0.
@@steve6969-v8t Still well-pleased so far. It's been a great intro to the 9mm world. 4.0, Optics ready, newer flat trigger, FDE. Considering an FPC now for mag compatibility, or maybe even a 3.6 inch sub compact version of the M&P 2.0 in the summer for slightly less grip printing. For the sub compact, I'd have to get a newer flat trigger style upgrade based on my preference compared to the hinged style on my M&P .22. Thinner or not, shield pluses and newer stuff just isn't exciting me compared to the older 2.0 "hefty" styles.
Sig Sauer scares the living crap out of me. I mean, I keep thinking I want to get one!
Only to strap on a 19, 19X, 26, or 30S before heading out ... and somehow or other the feeling goes away.
Who knew that knowing something will always bang - only when it should - was so cleansing and clarifying? Get the Glocks, and get home to see your loved ones that same day.
I was originally going to buy a sig for a pistol chassis project, but I just cannot get over the safety issues. I despise glocks, but I'll have to deal with it because it's the only other platform around for good chassis, and as bad as I am shooting it, at least it's safe and reliable
Might want to check into the Echelons.
@@cohoonatube Yep, or AREX Delta. That's where all the German SIG engineers went!
@@wcstrawberryfields8011 I’ll check them out, thanks!
Checkout the Beretta APX
@ After seeing this, I’ve had a hard time supporting Beretta. ruclips.net/video/ofnLRk6rsys/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Meanwhile, me over here with a Glock 48 thats had failure to feed problems with every magazine, and Glock has told me to pound sand.
Sell it to me
Didn’t expect this video to be a sig roast session😂… when he mentioned the p322 i lost it😭😂😂😂
I chose the hellcat over p365 for the reliability issues. On top of that 365 is more expensive...and id choose glock over sig for sriker fired any day of the week regardless of me having to change sights on the glock
This video is spot on! 💯💯💯
Glock 30acp always on my hips
I had a 365. Wanted to love it but no matter how much I kept up maintaining it I always had rust issues.
Yup especially the P365 magazines rusted on me despite wiping them down constantly
SIGs marketing team has done work. I don't own one. they make a fine product, but I've always found something I liked more, that usually cost less from SW M&P, CZ, Walther, Glock, or Ruger, etc. Wouldn't trade any of my Glocks, Shields, or M&Ps for one.
i would never carry it, but man my 320 axg is so nice. feels like the only gun i can hit shit with. its an amazing home defense gun, or just a range toy honestly. my problem with sig is just their ego. they think their the shit, and their new releases arent exactly backing that up lol. they are living off the still amazing p226 legacy
Love the rant 😂
Can’t stand modern SIG. I’ve owned 226’s and 227’s, and both were solid. Had a 320 variant and a P938 legion and both were horrid.
The P320 RXP X-Compact had trigger slap so bad I sent it in to customer service. The tech calls and says “yeah it’s there and has significant trigger slap but we have no way to adjust it, and it’s a byproduct of the design so we’re sending it back.” $1000+ for a pistol that is less comfortable to shoot than a Taurus. Modern US sig is garbage, they made a mistake pulling their mfg. from Europe.
I’ve largely switched to HK’s and Walther’s, and couldn’t be happier. ACTUAL quality firearms with excellent customer service too.
I have a 365xl it hasn't given me any problems it's is my one and only sig I will probably ever own
There one of the best if not the best guns that I own. This guy is laughable for real!! A lot of hear say which he then makes a video about. No first hand experience at all.
If sigs are out of your budget say that and leave it at that buddy.😂😂
I’m old school, bought a p365 and couldn’t get over the fact it didn’t have a manual safety. I really tried to over come my Fud tendencies but couldn’t. Had the option to add one and did, it was also ambidextrous, cool option to switch the mag release. This southpaw couldn’t be happier with sig 🤷♂️
I can honestly say that my 365XL I bought 2yrs ago is going strong haven’t had any problems thus far and I’ve carried it everyday since I bought it
@@wishniwasfishn813 im in actually love with mine
My P320 which is California compliant was nothing but trouble from day one. First magazine in the gun at the range it didn’t go into battery…thought maybe because it new shot 200’rounds that day no problem. Each trip to the range it would get more no battery or failure to extract, stove top etc etc. the screw on the Romeo sight also sheered off. I have a couple of HK’s and a couple of Glocks never had an issue with those four guns and I put major rounds through them. Very disappointed because the Sig had the tightest grouping of any hand gun I’ve ever fired .
Swiss Sig? Chefs kiss
New Hampshire Sig? Accidental discharges
I don't support sig for these exact reasons. Thanks for making this video man. And I plain and simple don't trust the p320 after all the drama surrounding it.
I had a front sight go dark on my 365x so I contacted Sig, heard back right away. Charged me nothing to send it in and in fact sent me a UPS shipping label. Had it back with a brand new front sight (and they sent it back in a better, Sig-branded box) in less than 2 weeks. Sucks for your buddy.
Same experience, but 3 weeks here.
They got my money alright but indirectly thru taxes I paid involuntarily. The only sig I ever bought was a used p226 in .40s&w.
Glocks are still the best striker fired pistols on the market. Springfield is upping their game and they have great customer service.