Superbowl 50 Carolina Panthers vs Denver Broncos controversial play first quarter Jerricho Cotchery made the catch wasn't called.. swung the early momentum
+Rich T There wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call. If they had rued it a catch and the Broncos challenged the call would stand. It is human error and the Broncos lucked out.
The Broncos no doubt had the better defense and we had the better offense. If anything we actually should've won this game if they had ruled this as a catch and Cam had jumped on the ball when he got strip sacked. I have a feeling that they did rig this game just for Peyton to get his ring which he didn't deserve because he was terrible during the regular season and was terrible in this game.
@@PanthersCentral704 Peyton was serviceable, which is all that was necessary when you have one of the best defenses of all time. Don’t forget the panthers had the ball in the 4th only down 6 until cam fumbled it again. If that strip sack destroyed the panthers enough that they couldn’t recover again then they didn’t deserve to be champs anyways, no team should be that mentally weak
@@aidanmartinez7263 Same thing with Atlanta the next year. After Matt Ryan fumbled, they chickened out the rest of the way. Their offense and defense disappeared after that play. That fumble changed the momentum right there.
i was watching the super bowl as he caught it and they actually showed it in multiple different angles.. it never ever hit the ground and he did have control of the ball the entire time
+Michael Copp ... sorry, but you are wrong. Here is a pic showing the ball hitting the ground and hand coming off ball, losing control. ... i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
Bad call let's face it. Great catch by Cotchery. NFL wanted a Denver victory and the fix was in. The flag that was picked up against the Broncos late when the Panthers were driving proves this beyond any doubt.
@@boymaica387 That’s total BS. That game was basically rigged so Peyton’s wife could stop taking HGH. 😂 How many times was Cam targeted and speared by Von Miller? Never a single flag 🙄
Huge blown call that essentially gave Denver the game. It doesn't even look like the ball hits the ground, the Denver player's helmet is what knocks the ball loose, and Cotchery still doesn't let it hit the ground after that. If they call this a catch, J Stew doesn't get banged up and would have been effective in the game, and that strip sack TD doesn't happen. NFL had to give old Peyton his magic ending. It's okay, Cam will be back next year.
@@ericworthington4893Jalen hurts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he had one decent year with literally the best surrounding team in the nfl by a mile. Dude is as mid as it gets
After the catch he made a football move when two feet hit the ground. So when that happens he had control when he hit the ground. This should be a catch
2 feet is not actually a football move either..a football move when hes making a legit move up the field to gain yards after showing complete control of the catch...
I agree he made a football move and if people say he didn't then it would still be a catch his hands were under the ball and he had maintained possession of it
+anthony orgoglio -- omg I am with you -- he totally controlled the ball on the way down, and if he had taken even one more step before going down, all this BS about the ball touching the ground would be moot. But I don't think we can make that argument though... i think he controlled the ball during mid-stride of step one, then took one more step, then was on the way down. I think NFL rules will say that does not fully constitute a "football move". The current rule does suck -- but I will ALWAYS believe this was a catch even under the current rules. Denver was not a good team; and Carolina wins this game if this was called a catch. It's strange that a wrong call so early in a game can skew an outcome like this one did. I do blame Carolina coaches and Cam for not getting beyond this (considering how early in the game this was); I mean -- just shake it off and play your game!! But still - in my mind -- if this is called a catch, denver gets blown out in the game. So - yeah, it sickens me that the headlines are how Denver spanked Carolina, when really the offensive and defensive stats show Carolina blew denver out of the water. Even on a night when Cam was not Cam. This was BAD juju. No way Denver wins this game without help from the officials.
hand was under the ball the whole time. the reason it wasn't over turned was because the replay official was from Denver with his wife sitting in the stands wearing a Denver jersey.
Bert, his hand was under the ball, blocking it from touching the ground. When he hit the ground, the ball moved but he maintained control at the end of the play. it was similar to Tyree's famous catch.
Eventually - there will be a view of this play that will show CLEARLY that Cotchery had a finger under the tip of the ball; that the ball never touched the ground. And at that point, you gotta put an asterisk behind this denver win. Cuz if Cam gets that completion, not only does Denver NOT get the almost immediate strip-sack-td, but you have Cam now likely mentally settled early in the 1st Q. ( He threw at least 2 awful passes before this one -- nerves? - and this was his 1st nice throw.) So it becomes a completely different game, IMO. And one where Denver is not at all likely to win. This play right here is the difference in the game. Sucks how this BS can happen in a super bowl. Still -- the Panthers had plenty of time to recover from this bad call -- it's really a shame they didn't get beyond this injustice.
Um.... did anybody research were that ref was from? He came from OMAHA ( yes that is a real place ) and whenever he refs the Broncos games the Broncos win. Also before the game Peyton and him were talking so clearly the only reason Denver won superbowl 50 was for Peyton to retire on a superbowl win
There is another shot that shows the ball never touched the ground.. Also funny that the replay official is from Denver and wife in the stands wearing a Denver jersey. Given all the other facts that came out since the Panthers were never gonna win this game . NFL made sure to have their fairy tale ending.. You will never beat the refs no matter what you do...
Its not about the ball moving Its about him keeping the ball as he rolls over and the ball never touches the ground after he regains control at the very end of the play. thats a catch! He keeps possession of the ball thru the whole process as i understand it the ground can not cause a fumble . www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25480469/inside-the-nfl-reveals-crushing-info-for-panthers-about-jerricho-cotchery-non-catch
+cpac97 But the ground assisted in making the catch, which makes it not a catch. It hit the ground and moved like 12" across his chest, no way this is a catch.
Rivals #40 in being rigged. Seahawks got screwed in that game too. Seattle should be at least 2-1 in the Super Bowl (should’ve beaten New England as well) instead of 1-2.
That is a catch. The only people that are saying that is NOT a catch are bronco fans and/or people paid by bronco fans to say it was NOT a catch. It was a Catch. And if it is a catch, well the broncos lose - pretty badly too. So, since it WAS a catch, the bronco's lost that game. That's how I will always choose to interpret the outcome of this game. If I'm at a trivia game in 20 years when the question comes up -- "who won super bowl 50?" I will always answer "It wasn't the broncos."
+tdm1995 ... OK, if ... and it is an "if" because this pass was incomplete, that had been a catch then Carolina would still just be up to their own 38 yard line. Not a real big deal. That does NOT make "the Broncos lose - pretty badly". Time to end your fantasy, admit Panthers lost fairly this time and move on to next season.
+Bert Hager - there's another post of mine somewhere deeper in this thread from a couple days ago. here's why this play makes ALL the difference: Cam was really really bad until this particular throw. It was a good throw. It was a completion. Until it wasn''t. Cam was poopy until this throw. I truly believe if Cam gets this completion -- he immediately becomes normal Cam. Not to mention there is absolutely no chance of the strip-6 that immediately happened after this fkd up call. Denver had no offense at all - all night. Give us a normal Cam - our offense would have blown those boys away. The defenses were basically evenly matched. I believe, deep down in my soul, that if this particular play is a completion, the game would have looked so much different. Seriously. I may have mentioned -- I thought the panthers were mature enough to get beyond this one sheeity call, shake this one play off --- which would have made a win super-spectacular. But to my dismay, I think this particular play took a lot of life out of our Panthers. I don't really understand it. Maybe one day we will hear more about this. Bottom line - I thought Panthers were good enough to overcome this bad call, so really - am more mad at the coaches for not figuring out how to get beyond this. But my mind still sees what would have happened if this had been called a completion. I really don't wanna think about this any more. too sad. There IS next yr,
- a final thought... i have watched every panthers game over the last 4 or 5 yrs. When cam first came on board, he had a terrible habit of throwing too high. And it happened early in the super bowl again. As if no one noticed. The original issue was Cam throwing completely overhand -- he only found his accuracy once he went a little side-arm. Like maybe 7/8 overhand. I think when he's nervous, he reverts back to completely overhand. I wish one of the coaches would finally teach him to just give up that overhand BS. It sucks.
Hands is under the ball, as long as your hand is under the ball, the ball can touch the ground. This is when rules beats common sense. After this, I knew Denver was going to win.
5 years later, I’m still not over this call even though I’m not a Panther fan. It was painfully obvious after this call that Peyton had to go out on top.
Carolina wasn't a favorite all season until week 16, keep in mind they went fucking 15-1. It was Peyton's send off superbowl and unfortunately was never supposed to be Carolina's game, let alone Clete Blakeman's crooked ass.. Few understand the momentum that this call killed and the strip-sack happened almost immediately after. Blakeman is the Tim Donaghy of the NFL and I WILL NOT be surprised when something comes out about him after he's long retired/dead
Super Bowl 50 was rigged. Roughing the passer on Cam and never called. Passing interference on Denver and never called. The Broncos defense jumped 3 time and never called offside. And Cotchery catch ruled incomplete.
Yeah -- our Panthers did suck Sunday night. Usually the Panthers are good enough to destroy the other team while at the same time destroying the officials that were doin everything they can do to undermine the Panthers. On Sunday, the panthers let us down. We found out there are occasions the team cannot do both. And that's all I got to say about that.
The nose of the ball barely touched the ground on the first roll. On the second roll, it didn't. Am I wrong? I think I'm probably right or wrong! It's 50-50 for me! I usually get it right! At 0:22 of this video, it looks like the ball's nose touches the turf.
first things first.. I am a Carolina fan... 2nd the ball clearly touches the ground... he didn't have complete control of the ball.. also, the officiating crew needs irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the field, it wasn't there.
Number one..... his hand was under the ball when he made the catch, it does appear that it might have made contact with the ground but non the less his hand was under the ball when he first made the catch. Number two.... the ball did moved as he turned so I would say that would be an incomplete pass BUT he regains possession of the ball a second time and from this angle it seems as though it never touched the groud. Making it a completed pass. Number 3..... From this angle, it looks like it might have been a catch. But from all the NFL's cameras this was the only angle they could provide? I don't think so. Conclusion; after this play Newton was sacked and Denver's defence scored a touchdown. So by not making the right call to begin with it affected the whole trajectory of this game. I'm a Green Bay Packer fan, so I remain unbiased to the call. But I really think this was a bad call from the refs. My opinion of course. And like I said there aren't any other angles to analyse this play from. Making it a difficult one to confirm it as a cath or not. But to me it was a catch.
There’s a very good chance panthers would have won this game if the refs got this call right bc the momentum shifted and the von miller strip sack was couple plays after this. Remember the score was 10-16 in the 4th quarter panthers had the ball with 4 mins left so take away that strip sack panthers would’ve been up by 1 point and who knows what would’ve happened at that point.
It's pretty clear that the hand is under the ball at all time though the ball still seems to touch the ground at one point. I'd rule it a complete catch.
+George Phillips .. actually it is pretty clear that he did NOT keep hand "under the ball" after hitting the ground ... i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
Clearly the ball contacts the ground at :21-:22 time index, then bounces to move up by Crotchery's elbow. Surprising that game announcers did not see this and made so many people surprised by the incomplete pass ruling stand after replay review.
+Bert Hager his hand was under the ball which means its a catch plus it didn't move a lot when it hit the ground watch football you should know that was a catch if your hand is under the ball
+PantherNFL 00 ... by your own words, (1) "when it hit the ground" and (2) "it didn't move much" are the key points to getting this call right. If the ball contacts the ground and player loses control then the pass is incomplete. If you go frame-by-frame :22-:23, watching the seams on the football, it moves up towards Crotchery's elbow and rotates too. He did not maintain control.
Do you watch or play football because obviously his hand was under the ball and during contact the ball didn't move much which would have made it incomplete if it was to move a lot also ass he roled he had the ball to where it didn't hit the ground the ref who looked at the replay said it was a catch then the said it wasn't a catch and took the ref that said it was a catch out of the game even refs watching the game +players said that was a catch
+PantherNFL 00 .. here is a close up pic, when the ball has contacted the ground and Crotchery is losing control. Can't you see that? Seriously?!?! ... i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! Ok buddy, keep rocking your tin foil hat. The ball hit the ground at 0:22, and since replay officials have to be 100% sure they can overturn a call in order to do so, they had to let the call stand as incomplete.
ITIJGIOJ Hey everyone said the ball never hit the ground. It was a catch, with that said Von Miller was a beast and did deserve the MVP sometimes calls go your way sometimes they don't but from ESPN to FOX sports everyone says that was a catch!
At 0:22 the ball clearly hits the ground. You cannot lose control after that point and needs to be secure from that point on, which he obviously does not.
+Frank J Altieri ... No, the ball clearly hit the ground causing loss of control by Cotchery ... see it right here. i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
I was pulling for the Broncos...but this was a "Pure FAILURE" by the referee review panel. It's understandable that a very few calls can be inaccurate by the refs on the field, but when it goes up for review...they should get it right 100% if the camera angles show the ball the whole time. This play showed the ball the entire time....The review panel "FAILED" miserably in this case. If inaccuracies by refs on the field can't be corrected by the review panel, what's the point in having a review panel? Maybe the review panel is blind, lazy, or incompetent.
not the only wrong call either. von miller was lined up in the neutral zone on like 60 percent of his snaps. including his sacks. watch the game again and you will see. Ron Rivera was pissed it wasn't getting called.
And before you Broncos fans say that it didn't lead to Cam getting sacked and shit, true, it didn't. However this right here could've put doubt in the Panthers players thinking the refs were against them, and chances are, if this was marked as the catch it blatantly was, the Panthers may have sparked momentum and marched down the field on the first drive of the game.
This sport is violent and fast. Tough to make rules on so many variables. On the eye test it's a catch but with the call on the field and overturn rules it's tough to say otherwise. Also.. skins fan here. Dez also made that clutch catch. I was never the same football fan after that call.
And the Broncos have been trash ever since this game and haven’t had a playoff appearance or competent quarterback since. Poetic justice. They deserve to suck after this game was handed to them.
Some people think that the refs were in the Panther's favor. Idk, maybe, but, I could say that the pressure may have finally hit carolina to the point where they had penalty after penalty after penalty That play may have been the turning point and I think the NFL needs to do something about this 'catch' rule And after hearing the commentators and that retired official for CBS say it was a catch, sheesh
+Brian Chua If the ball hits the ground it has to be secure through the whole play. Sure his hand was under and it hit the ground but he didn't have control
in order for it to be a catch the receiver must maintain possession. the ball hit the ground and he lost possession.....the play was bang bang and there was not enough evidence to overturn it...if it was ruled a catch it would have stayed a catch. thats just how it goes in football. please dont act like patriots fans and start making excuses...denver was just the better team.
+Grant Golke Carolina also had a much easier schedule...denver would have been 15-1 also in that division. they did exactly as i predicted they would do. and they will do it again game 1 next year.
The Cotchery Catch (aka the Cotch Botch) was the clear turning point in the game. Anyone could tell that was a catch, commentators on screen, NFL broadcast officials, etc. It was called incomplete and with Carolina backed up, two plays later was the strip-sack fumble TD that gave Denver a 10-0 lead. If called correctly, the Panthers have a first down and even if a fumble occurred two plays later it wouldn't have resulted in a TD from the 40 yard line. Even worse, is the replay official was a guy by they name of Jimmy Oldham who lives in the Denver area and whose wife was out the game as a die-hard Denver fan. There are even photos of her with head official Clete Blakeman at a Super Bowl after party. Again, easily researched by google and stinks to high hell that the NFL allowed a likely Denver fan to be the head replay official in a Super Bowl.
I did not know that until now, 5 years later. But that is criminal and conflict of interest if you ask me. No wonder he called the way it happened. They also wanted to have Peyton go out on top.
I want the Broncos to win but that was a bullshit call. I'm a Steelers fan and hate Jerricho for leaving the Steel City but he had control of it. This is ridiculous.
i was rooting for Denver to win this game and even i thought that the Cotchery catch was a catch. This is similar to how James White td run in overtime in sb 51, if you'll notice on that run he has a knee down before the ball crosses the plane of the goal line.
never had a full control, what are you talking about? Ignoring the fact doenst change the reality and on top of that, they gain the momentum after the touch down but couldnt hold it. They played terrible because it was almost their first game entire season they played with a 4X4 team functioning team throw out the game. They were lucky whole year.
Panthers were having momentum before that happened, then when this bogus call occurred (might be one of the most underrated bad calls ever) they just couldn’t seem to recover from it the rest of the game. It was clearly a catch, ball never touched the ground and he regained possession even when it moved
@ 0:21 (little earlier than Robert Ledo) Nose of the ball hits the ground, ball is lose for a second, the commentators surprised me when they missed that.
Ball was not in full control when his knee hit the ground NFL rules one knee with contact equals player ruled down. Also this is slow motion video of the play so actual time of control of the ball is very momentary
+Knowledge Seeker Yeah, it did at 0:22. It barely did, but it still did nonetheless. The nose of the ball hitting the ground there was probably enough to warrant letting the incomplete pass call stand. What everyone seems to be forgetting here is that the replay officials need to be 100% sure that a call can be overturned before overturning it. The ball hitting the ground at the 22 second mark put enough doubt in their minds to not overturn the call. Also, don't blame the refs for Cam fumbling the ball later.
+ITIJGIOJ If this was ruled a catch the score with 4 minutes left in the game would be 10 - 9 Panthers instead of 16 - 10 Broncos. Remember only two plays after this was Cam's first fumble which lead to a 2 yard scoop and score instead of a turnover at midfield.
+Jeremi Anderson At this point the Panthers would have tried to milk the clock instead of the pass attempt that Cam fumbled that led to another short field touchdown.
You gotta ask yourself, what caused the ball to come loose and roll over his body? That's right, the ground, the tip of the ball hit the ground which caused the ball to jar loose and almost hit the ground for a second time.
That's what's tricky about catches in the NFL, it *can* hit the ground if the player has control of it first and *maintains control*. I don't believe he ever quite had control of it.
Devyn Ransom I’m surprised I haven’t heard more people talk about this play. This to me isn’t quite as bad as Dez Bryant’s robbery but still this was the momentum changer. Carolina was not themselves after this play. Not saying they could’ve won it all if they called it complete which I believe it was, but they would’ve had a very good chance to win against Denver
first, I should apologize for even commenting over a year too late. that said, I'm a Panthers fan and this was a catch but it wasn't an unreasonably bad call for the ref to call it incomplete during the live play and even after the replay they stated that the call would stand not that it was confirmed which is crucial as three is a difference. saying the play would stand meant that there wasn't irrefutable proof either way in the replay to 100% prove or disprove the original call so they stick with the original call. I disagree with that but this play was close enough that it wasn't unreasonable to get it wrong. however, here's why I think it was the wrong call and this was a catch. #1 the ball might have touched the ground but that doesn't matter as the ball can touch the ground and still be a catch as long as the ground does not aid the player on making the catch and the player has control of the ball before it touches the ground. crotchety has the ball in his hand and against his body with no ball movement a step before he goes to the ground at which point his hand is under the ball as her hours the ground initially and has he rolls forward the tip of the ball is forced downward and touches the ground but his hand remains completely around the ball at its middle. His weight and momentum causes the ball to compress and has he rolls over the ball does move as his weight comes off the ball. the rule says when going to the ground a player "must maintain control of the ball all the way thru the catch" but that's not the entire rule as it goes on to say "while still remaining inbounds or until the ball his the ground" meaning he could bobble the ball as long as he wants unless he steps out of bounds without having control or until the ball hits the ground without the player having control of the ball. it should also be noted that the rule states a player must have control of the ball but does not define that the ball can't move. in other words a player can still be considered to have control of the ball when the ball is moving as long as it's not being bobbled. looking at the play objectively no one can honestly say that when crotchety hits the ground that it helped him catch the ball or in other words if he had not hit the ground that he would have let go of the ball or it would have moved in his hand at that point. So if the grind did not help him have control of the ball at that point then the ball touching the ground them doesn't matter. as he rolls over the ball does obviously move but the rule allows the ball to move without being considered not in the players control unless he hits out of bounds while this is happening. So if you want to argue that he doesn't have control of the ball since it's moving and say he's hobbling it that still doesn't make it not a catch since he's in bounds for this entire play then he has from the point the ball begins to move or is bobbled to secure the ball before it touches the ground and is declared dead to be awarded a catch which he does. in short - the ball touching the ground as he falls on it is irrelevant as it didn't help him catch the ball since he clearly had it the step before falling and all the way to the ground and his entire hand was either under the ball at its largest part or for those believing his hand was on the side still clearly grasped the entire ball at its largest point. the ball either moved as it lifted of the ground while he rolled meaning it was no longer touching the ground and was held up while on his back. or the ball started moving while against the ground with his entire hand and body against the ball which would mean if you magically removed the hard ground at that point it would be clear the ball was secured against his body with guys hand either under or around the side of the largest part of the ball meaning the player has control of the ball without the ground helping him and before he rolls forward allowing the tip of the ball to touch the ground. this would mean it's a completed catch at that point even is only a split second since he's on the ground. allowing the ball to touch the ground without having control of the ball or bobbling it is an incomplete pass but the rule does not require that the ball not be moving to be considered in control and no honest person can say that he didn't control the ball as he hit the ground with his entire hand around it's largest point while it was pressed against his body. So while hitting the tip of the ball on the ground may have caused it to move it's unrealistic to believe that he wasn't still in control of the ball the entire time it was in contact with the ground. the only point that anyone can question of he has control is after he begins to roll and the ball comes away from his body but since it's no longer in contact with the ground that's ok and it remains a live and catchable ball which he then resecures while on his back without allowing it to touch the ground a second time. Anyone disagreeing is welcome to their opinion but anyone arguing against a catch and claiming this is an open and shut obvious case and that their conclusion is the only one that could be right is wrong as even the referees didn't think it was 100% for sure not a catch after the replay review or he would have said "the call on the field was confirmed" meaning they were 100% sure instead of saying "the call on the field stands" meaning they couldn't be sure 100% either way after seeing the replay so they went with their first impression or first guess. So if professional referees at the highest level couldn't be sure after seeing a replay then any keyboard warrior commenting on RUclips and claiming they know better is an obvious moron or a condescending, stuck up bhole
lol how u say the ball doesn't hit the ground? not only does it hit the ground, but the ball moves AFTER it hits the ground and he doesn't display 100% control, how can they overturn this..?
His fingers were under the ball and he you have to have complete control if you're going out of bounds bc that's when it counts bc you either catch it or your out and the ball was on top of his fingers and it moved but he still didnt let it hit the ground CLEARLY YOU DONT KNOW FOOTBALL
+anthony orgoglio check at exactly 1 minute and 1:13 to see the ball actual not even be in his hands anymore, then ask yourself can u overturn this call. check several times at 1:13 in particular, he actual tries to snatch the ball back in his hand real quick. this is not a catch and the NFL is actually pretty consistent that if you go to the ground and that ball isn't 100% secure, they ain't gonna give it to u. couple that with the fact that cotchery DROPPED 3 passes (he's already bobbling this one before he went down) on the night, and u know the right call is made.
+anthony orgoglio clearly you don't know football or english. EVEN when you're in bounds, you still have to maintain possession throughout the catch. After it hits the ground, which it obviously does, he bobbled it. Not even close to a catch
anthony orgoglio You seem like an angry 14 year old crying about his losing team. I'm quite sure I could take a blind (0:22) 14 year old no problem in a football 1v1.
The people complaining just flat out don't know their shit! Simple as that!! Ball touched the ground and even tho I don't think the ground caused the ball to move, it DID move and that's all that matters. If the ball didn't move at all, it would have been a catch! This was the right call!!
clearly you don't know the rules mr lambert. his knee and elbow were down before the ball touched the ground. the fact that it touched the ground shouldn't have mattered because the play was already over
57 seconds his hand is under the backside of the ball and the front nose is clearly touching the ground... now id the ball never moved from and he kept it tight to his stomach it would have been a catch but the ball CLEARLY moves after it touches
At 0:21 you can see that the ball hit the ground. At one point the ball was vertical and you can even see the bottom tip of the ball well into the grass. That being said, all NFL games are Fixed. Why do you think NFL is registered an Entertainment (i.e. WWE) and not a Sport? So they can rig the results.
The ball hit the ground and moves. Every time that happens it's incomplete. The ball can touch the ground but when a receiver has control it doesn't move.
he had possession of the ball. he didn't use the ground to help him catch the ball and his hand was under the ball and it never hit the ground. NFL is rigged for Peyton. not much more to it smh...
+Bom Trady How does nobody see at 0:22 the tip of the ball touches? Im a pats fan that didnt wanna see the broncos lose so theres no bias. yes his hand is under the middle of the ball but look at the tip. IF it didn't touch the ground it was by less than a mm so that can't overrule the call because it must be clear the ball didn't hit which it did. if a blown call makes the NFL rigged then I guess every other sport is rigged because we see it all the time in the NBA and MLB too.
+anthony orgoglio First of all, the fact that he bobbled it at all, means it is not a "clean catch." Second of all, the ball hits the ground. Pause it at 22 seconds.
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Here 7 years later to say this was a catch.
NFL never wanted the Panthers to win this game and it shows
I agree...this missed call changed the whole game.
+David Eckman It wasn't missed.
+Rich T There wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call. If they had rued it a catch and the Broncos challenged the call would stand. It is human error and the Broncos lucked out.
+David Eckman It was a catch every in the booth agreed but of course the guy making call had to help his favorite team.
+David Eckman No, Von Miller still destroyed Cam. And this call wasn't missed, it was spot on.
Sectric Lol. It doesn't matter what the booth said, they get it wrong too.
This game was rigged for Manning to go out as a winner and retire. Panthers should have won. They were the much better team.
As a ravens fan im starting to slowly hate the nfl because of refs
The panthers were not the better team. That “top offense of all time” could not break down that defense whatsoever
The Broncos no doubt had the better defense and we had the better offense. If anything we actually should've won this game if they had ruled this as a catch and Cam had jumped on the ball when he got strip sacked. I have a feeling that they did rig this game just for Peyton to get his ring which he didn't deserve because he was terrible during the regular season and was terrible in this game.
@@PanthersCentral704 Peyton was serviceable, which is all that was necessary when you have one of the best defenses of all time. Don’t forget the panthers had the ball in the 4th only down 6 until cam fumbled it again. If that strip sack destroyed the panthers enough that they couldn’t recover again then they didn’t deserve to be champs anyways, no team should be that mentally weak
@@aidanmartinez7263 Same thing with Atlanta the next year.
After Matt Ryan fumbled, they chickened out the rest of the way.
Their offense and defense disappeared after that play. That fumble changed the momentum right there.
i was watching the super bowl as he caught it and they actually showed it in multiple different angles.. it never ever hit the ground and he did have control of the ball the entire time
+Michael Copp ... sorry, but you are wrong. Here is a pic showing the ball hitting the ground and hand coming off ball, losing control. ... i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
Exactly.
It was painfully obvious they wanted Manning to go out on top.
@@MrBowlingXlol this comment is so funny because you’re wrong and don’t know the rules
This very play changed the whole gameeeee strip sack was this same drive
If i remeber correctlt ir was the exact play after this or two plays later . Sad that most people dont even remember how they "Dez Bryant" us
Still pisses me off to this day.
Bad call let's face it. Great catch by Cotchery. NFL wanted a Denver victory and the fix was in. The flag that was picked up against the Broncos late when the Panthers were driving proves this beyond any doubt.
Had to let Peyton ride off into the sunset.
Frank J Altieri incorrect, That defense just didn’t give an inch.
@@boymaica387 thats bs bruh
Jerricho the 🐐 nfl robbed him
@@boymaica387 That’s total BS. That game was basically rigged so Peyton’s wife could stop taking HGH. 😂 How many times was Cam targeted and speared by Von Miller? Never a single flag 🙄
Huge blown call that essentially gave Denver the game. It doesn't even look like the ball hits the ground, the Denver player's helmet is what knocks the ball loose, and Cotchery still doesn't let it hit the ground after that. If they call this a catch, J Stew doesn't get banged up and would have been effective in the game, and that strip sack TD doesn't happen. NFL had to give old Peyton his magic ending. It's okay, Cam will be back next year.
Jalen hurts is cam 2.0
@@ericworthington4893Jalen hurts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he had one decent year with literally the best surrounding team in the nfl by a mile. Dude is as mid as it gets
That she’d like milk
Can and the Panthers never recovered
This lives rent free in my head. It was a catch.
After the catch he made a football move when two feet hit the ground. So when that happens he had control when he hit the ground. This should be a catch
2 feet is not actually a football move either..a football move when hes making a legit move up the field to gain yards after showing complete control of the catch...
I agree he made a football move and if people say he didn't then it would still be a catch his hands were under the ball and he had maintained possession of it
+thalivinlegend11 true but if he plants two feet on the ground he's clearly gonna be turning
+anthony orgoglio -- omg I am with you -- he totally controlled the ball on the way down, and if he had taken even one more step before going down, all this BS about the ball touching the ground would be moot. But I don't think we can make that argument though... i think he controlled the ball during mid-stride of step one, then took one more step, then was on the way down. I think NFL rules will say that does not fully constitute a "football move". The current rule does suck -- but I will ALWAYS believe this was a catch even under the current rules. Denver was not a good team; and Carolina wins this game if this was called a catch. It's strange that a wrong call so early in a game can skew an outcome like this one did. I do blame Carolina coaches and Cam for not getting beyond this (considering how early in the game this was); I mean -- just shake it off and play your game!! But still - in my mind -- if this is called a catch, denver gets blown out in the game. So - yeah, it sickens me that the headlines are how Denver spanked Carolina, when really the offensive and defensive stats show Carolina blew denver out of the water. Even on a night when Cam was not Cam. This was BAD juju. No way Denver wins this game without help from the officials.
+tdm1995 my man it's true and yea he had control while going to the fround
Now yall understand why cowboy fans were mad about that Dez call
That ball touched the ground though. This one did not. His hand was under it the whole time
hand was under the ball the whole time. the reason it wasn't over turned was because the replay official was from Denver with his wife sitting in the stands wearing a Denver jersey.
Down by contact before ball hits ground, had possession before ball hits ground. Complete pass.
that ref right there is new and evertime he is in broncos win completely biased officiating
Von Miller never would've scored a sack on the next play and scored
Reff is from Denver I rest my case
I didn’t even know that then, but now I do, and WOW.
No wonder it went Denver’s way.
Also, they wanted Peyton to go out on top.
Bert, his hand was under the ball, blocking it from touching the ground. When he hit the ground, the ball moved but he maintained control at the end of the play. it was similar to Tyree's famous catch.
It was clearly a catch. Referee Cleat Blakeman wife was in full Denver Bronco gear in the commissioner box during the game. It’s all you need to say.
Eventually - there will be a view of this play that will show CLEARLY that Cotchery had a finger under the tip of the ball; that the ball never touched the ground. And at that point, you gotta put an asterisk behind this denver win. Cuz if Cam gets that completion, not only does Denver NOT get the almost immediate strip-sack-td, but you have Cam now likely mentally settled early in the 1st Q. ( He threw at least 2 awful passes before this one -- nerves? - and this was his 1st nice throw.) So it becomes a completely different game, IMO. And one where Denver is not at all likely to win. This play right here is the difference in the game. Sucks how this BS can happen in a super bowl. Still -- the Panthers had plenty of time to recover from this bad call -- it's really a shame they didn't get beyond this injustice.
facts...
Didn't Carolina lose by like 14 points? Lmao. You guys are cry baby idiots who can't even do math.
Um.... did anybody research were that ref was from? He came from OMAHA ( yes that is a real place ) and whenever he refs the Broncos games the Broncos win. Also before the game Peyton and him were talking so clearly the only reason Denver won superbowl 50 was for Peyton to retire on a superbowl win
the refs cheated for denver...after this bad call and the subsequent turnover i stopped watching the game
There is another shot that shows the ball never touched the ground.. Also funny that the replay official is from Denver and wife in the stands wearing a Denver jersey. Given all the other facts that came out since the Panthers were never gonna win this game . NFL made sure to have their fairy tale ending.. You will never beat the refs no matter what you do...
0:22 my dude
+HateCrimes his knee hit the ground before the ball did dumbass
Its not about the ball moving Its about him keeping the ball as he rolls over and the ball never touches the ground after he regains control at the very end of the play. thats a catch! He keeps possession of the ball thru the whole process as i understand it the ground can not cause a fumble . www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25480469/inside-the-nfl-reveals-crushing-info-for-panthers-about-jerricho-cotchery-non-catch
+cpac97 But the ground assisted in making the catch, which makes it not a catch. It hit the ground and moved like 12" across his chest, no way this is a catch.
where did you see ball hit the ground? I bet you didn't even watch replay end 1:14 @@54silent70
The very next play was a HUGE swing in momentum
Super bowl 50 was so rigged
Rivals #40 in being rigged.
Seahawks got screwed in that game too.
Seattle should be at least 2-1 in the Super Bowl (should’ve beaten New England as well) instead of 1-2.
That is a catch. The only people that are saying that is NOT a catch are bronco fans and/or people paid by bronco fans to say it was NOT a catch. It was a Catch. And if it is a catch, well the broncos lose - pretty badly too. So, since it WAS a catch, the bronco's lost that game. That's how I will always choose to interpret the outcome of this game. If I'm at a trivia game in 20 years when the question comes up -- "who won super bowl 50?" I will always answer "It wasn't the broncos."
+tdm1995 ... OK, if ... and it is an "if" because this pass was incomplete, that had been a catch then Carolina would still just be up to their own 38 yard line. Not a real big deal. That does NOT make "the Broncos lose - pretty badly". Time to end your fantasy, admit Panthers lost fairly this time and move on to next season.
+Bert Hager - there's another post of mine somewhere deeper in this thread from a couple days ago. here's why this play makes ALL the difference: Cam was really really bad until this particular throw. It was a good throw. It was a completion. Until it wasn''t. Cam was poopy until this throw. I truly believe if Cam gets this completion -- he immediately becomes normal Cam. Not to mention there is absolutely no chance of the strip-6 that immediately happened after this fkd up call. Denver had no offense at all - all night. Give us a normal Cam - our offense would have blown those boys away. The defenses were basically evenly matched. I believe, deep down in my soul, that if this particular play is a completion, the game would have looked so much different. Seriously. I may have mentioned -- I thought the panthers were mature enough to get beyond this one sheeity call, shake this one play off --- which would have made a win super-spectacular. But to my dismay, I think this particular play took a lot of life out of our Panthers. I don't really understand it. Maybe one day we will hear more about this. Bottom line - I thought Panthers were good enough to overcome this bad call, so really - am more mad at the coaches for not figuring out how to get beyond this. But my mind still sees what would have happened if this had been called a completion. I really don't wanna think about this any more. too sad. There IS next yr,
- a final thought... i have watched every panthers game over the last 4 or 5 yrs. When cam first came on board, he had a terrible habit of throwing too high. And it happened early in the super bowl again. As if no one noticed. The original issue was Cam throwing completely overhand -- he only found his accuracy once he went a little side-arm. Like maybe 7/8 overhand. I think when he's nervous, he reverts back to completely overhand. I wish one of the coaches would finally teach him to just give up that overhand BS. It sucks.
Such a FIX! Absolute GARBAGE! It changed the entire game.
catch...and yes it played a factor in the outcome. How could it not?
ya two plays later Von Miller Strip-Sack TD
Totally took away any momentum they had
Hands is under the ball, as long as your hand is under the ball, the ball can touch the ground. This is when rules beats common sense. After this, I knew Denver was going to win.
5 years later, I’m still not over this call even though I’m not a Panther fan.
It was painfully obvious after this call that Peyton had to go out on top.
Carolina wasn't a favorite all season until week 16, keep in mind they went fucking 15-1. It was Peyton's send off superbowl and unfortunately was never supposed to be Carolina's game, let alone Clete Blakeman's crooked ass.. Few understand the momentum that this call killed and the strip-sack happened almost immediately after. Blakeman is the Tim Donaghy of the NFL and I WILL NOT be surprised when something comes out about him after he's long retired/dead
it was a catch
Super Bowl 50 was rigged. Roughing the passer on Cam and never called. Passing interference on Denver and never called. The Broncos defense jumped 3 time and never called offside. And Cotchery catch ruled incomplete.
Yeah -- our Panthers did suck Sunday night. Usually the Panthers are good enough to destroy the other team while at the same time destroying the officials that were doin everything they can do to undermine the Panthers. On Sunday, the panthers let us down. We found out there are occasions the team cannot do both. And that's all I got to say about that.
but it's time to move on. Panthers in 2016-17. We'll probably not meet a team easier to beat than the Broncos, but whatever.
The nose of the ball barely touched the ground on the first roll. On the second roll, it didn't. Am I wrong? I think I'm probably right or wrong! It's 50-50 for me! I usually get it right! At 0:22 of this video, it looks like the ball's nose touches the turf.
They need to start addressing shit like this
first things first.. I am a Carolina fan... 2nd the ball clearly touches the ground... he didn't have complete control of the ball.. also, the officiating crew needs irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the field, it wasn't there.
He tucked the ball intentionally and didn't even wobble as he hit the ground he had full control as he was falling down
Number one..... his hand was under the ball when he made the catch, it does appear that it might have made contact with the ground but non the less his hand was under the ball when he first made the catch.
Number two.... the ball did moved as he turned so I would say that would be an incomplete pass BUT he regains possession of the ball a second time and from this angle it seems as though it never touched the groud. Making it a completed pass.
Number 3..... From this angle, it looks like it might have been a catch. But from all the NFL's cameras this was the only angle they could provide? I don't think so.
Conclusion; after this play Newton was sacked and Denver's defence scored a touchdown. So by not making the right call to begin with it affected the whole trajectory of this game.
I'm a Green Bay Packer fan, so I remain unbiased to the call. But I really think this was a bad call from the refs. My opinion of course. And like I said there aren't any other angles to analyse this play from. Making it a difficult one to confirm it as a cath or not. But to me it was a catch.
There’s a very good chance panthers would have won this game if the refs got this call right bc the momentum shifted and the von miller strip sack was couple plays after this. Remember the score was 10-16 in the 4th quarter panthers had the ball with 4 mins left so take away that strip sack panthers would’ve been up by 1 point and who knows what would’ve happened at that point.
It was complete!!!And the play after Von Miller knocked it out of cams hand for the touchdown I hate that ref
exactly!
This shit was FIXED
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It's pretty clear that the hand is under the ball at all time though the ball still seems to touch the ground at one point. I'd rule it a complete catch.
+George Phillips .. actually it is pretty clear that he did NOT keep hand "under the ball" after hitting the ground ... i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
Using the logic implied here, about 50% of the catches made in the NFL should be ruled incomplete.
Most ridiculous call in a Super Bowl ever. Please compare this with the Dez catch be my guest and we can have a discussion.
That was a FREAKEN catch
Clearly the ball contacts the ground at :21-:22 time index, then bounces to move up by Crotchery's elbow. Surprising that game announcers did not see this and made so many people surprised by the incomplete pass ruling stand after replay review.
+Bert Hager his hand was under the ball which means its a catch plus it didn't move a lot when it hit the ground watch football you should know that was a catch if your hand is under the ball
+PantherNFL 00 How was his hand under the ball when his hand was on the side of the ball? The call was perfect.
+PantherNFL 00 ... by your own words, (1) "when it hit the ground" and (2) "it didn't move much" are the key points to getting this call right. If the ball contacts the ground and player loses control then the pass is incomplete. If you go frame-by-frame :22-:23, watching the seams on the football, it moves up towards Crotchery's elbow and rotates too. He did not maintain control.
Do you watch or play football because obviously his hand was under the ball and during contact the ball didn't move much which would have made it incomplete if it was to move a lot also ass he roled he had the ball to where it didn't hit the ground the ref who looked at the replay said it was a catch then the said it wasn't a catch and took the ref that said it was a catch out of the game even refs watching the game +players said that was a catch
+PantherNFL 00 .. here is a close up pic, when the ball has contacted the ground and Crotchery is losing control. Can't you see that? Seriously?!?! ... i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
If the ball never hits the ground how is it incomplete? Such a bs game
The ball never hit the ground!
+StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! Yes it did.
+StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! Look/pause at 0:22. The nose of the football hits the ground
ITIJGIOJ That ball was caught, it's ok we all know NFL wanted Peyton to win so they spot him 7 points.Shout out to Von Miller tho he was a true MVP!
StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! Ok buddy, keep rocking your tin foil hat. The ball hit the ground at 0:22, and since replay officials have to be 100% sure they can overturn a call in order to do so, they had to let the call stand as incomplete.
ITIJGIOJ Hey everyone said the ball never hit the ground. It was a catch, with that said Von Miller was a beast and did deserve the MVP sometimes calls go your way sometimes they don't but from ESPN to FOX sports everyone says that was a catch!
I would say that it's a catch based on his control of it going down... but I've seen worse calls than this. It happens.
If the ball hits the ground it has to be secure through the whole play. Sure his hand was under and it hit the ground but he didn't have control
No, you still need control. Ala Dez Bryant. Tell me what football move did he do?
it was a catch I'm neither a panthers or broncos fan even professionals said it was a catch
and some professionals said it wasn't.
+Guy Incognito At no point did any part of the ball touch the ground, so how in the world could it have been called an incomplete pass.
At 0:22 the ball clearly hits the ground. You cannot lose control after that point and needs to be secure from that point on, which he obviously does not.
Tyrese used side of his helmet but controlled the ball with his hand
it was a catch. Ball did not hit the ground.
+Frank J Altieri ... No, the ball clearly hit the ground causing loss of control by Cotchery ... see it right here. i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/football/Crotchery-no-catch_zps2bsjt2gf.png
I was pulling for the Broncos...but this was a "Pure FAILURE" by the referee review panel. It's understandable that a very few calls can be inaccurate by the refs on the field, but when it goes up for review...they should get it right 100% if the camera angles show the ball the whole time. This play showed the ball the entire time....The review panel "FAILED" miserably in this case. If inaccuracies by refs on the field can't be corrected by the review panel, what's the point in having a review panel? Maybe the review panel is blind, lazy, or incompetent.
just face it, the refs gave this one to manning. let's get past it and let manning have his retirement
ref cheat!
not the only wrong call either. von miller was lined up in the neutral zone on like 60 percent of his snaps. including his sacks. watch the game again and you will see. Ron Rivera was pissed it wasn't getting called.
Shitty, fixed SB. The ball at no point hit the ground, look at the front view. He had his hand under it the ENTIRE time. 1:10
And before you Broncos fans say that it didn't lead to Cam getting sacked and shit, true, it didn't. However this right here could've put doubt in the Panthers players thinking the refs were against them, and chances are, if this was marked as the catch it blatantly was, the Panthers may have sparked momentum and marched down the field on the first drive of the game.
This sport is violent and fast. Tough to make rules on so many variables. On the eye test it's a catch but with the call on the field and overturn rules it's tough to say otherwise. Also.. skins fan here. Dez also made that clutch catch. I was never the same football fan after that call.
Cam was stripped for a Denver touchdown the next play btw
And the Broncos have been trash ever since this game and haven’t had a playoff appearance or competent quarterback since. Poetic justice. They deserve to suck after this game was handed to them.
Some people think that the refs were in the Panther's favor. Idk, maybe, but, I could say that the pressure may have finally hit carolina to the point where they had penalty after penalty after penalty
That play may have been the turning point and I think the NFL needs to do something about this 'catch' rule
And after hearing the commentators and that retired official for CBS say it was a catch, sheesh
+Brian Chua If the ball hits the ground it has to be secure through the whole play. Sure his hand was under and it hit the ground but he didn't have control
Who here after bucs beat the chiefs
I just came back to this video because I'm still mad
I didnt see the ball hit the ground. His hand and his other arm was under the ball.
+anthony orgoglio "dumb"
his elbow hit before the ball touched the ground which should have ruled him down. This was a bad call. Fact
in order for it to be a catch the receiver must maintain possession. the ball hit the ground and he lost possession.....the play was bang bang and there was not enough evidence to overturn it...if it was ruled a catch it would have stayed a catch. thats just how it goes in football. please dont act like patriots fans and start making excuses...denver was just the better team.
Jarrod Darnell i dont know about that. i think they just played better that day. Carolina dominated up to that point in the season
+Grant Golke Carolina also had a much easier schedule...denver would have been 15-1 also in that division. they did exactly as i predicted they would do. and they will do it again game 1 next year.
Jarrod Darnell with what offense?
+Grant Golke with the same offence that beat you the first time lol.
If this call was reversed the Panthers would have won the game. It blew the spark out of Newton. Peyton did nothing all game.
The Cotchery Catch (aka the Cotch Botch) was the clear turning point in the game. Anyone could tell that was a catch, commentators on screen, NFL broadcast officials, etc. It was called incomplete and with Carolina backed up, two plays later was the strip-sack fumble TD that gave Denver a 10-0 lead. If called correctly, the Panthers have a first down and even if a fumble occurred two plays later it wouldn't have resulted in a TD from the 40 yard line. Even worse, is the replay official was a guy by they name of Jimmy Oldham who lives in the Denver area and whose wife was out the game as a die-hard Denver fan. There are even photos of her with head official Clete Blakeman at a Super Bowl after party. Again, easily researched by google and stinks to high hell that the NFL allowed a likely Denver fan to be the head replay official in a Super Bowl.
I did not know that until now, 5 years later.
But that is criminal and conflict of interest if you ask me.
No wonder he called the way it happened. They also wanted to have Peyton go out on top.
Dude Super Bowl 50 might be the most rigged Super Bowl ever it’s so obvious im surprised no one on RUclips has done a breakdown of this
Ball hit the ground and moved. Incomplete. What’s the issue?
I want the Broncos to win but that was a bullshit call. I'm a Steelers fan and hate Jerricho for leaving the Steel City but he had control of it. This is ridiculous.
Don't hate somebody for some stupid reason.
Otherwise I agree.
DaFireFox FarCry I said I hate him for leaving not as a person. You can also ask LeBron and Steph haters too about that biggot.
i was rooting for Denver to win this game and even i thought that the Cotchery catch was a catch. This is similar to how James White td run in overtime in sb 51, if you'll notice on that run he has a knee down before the ball crosses the plane of the goal line.
never had a full control, what are you talking about? Ignoring the fact doenst change the reality and on top of that, they gain the momentum after the touch down but couldnt hold it. They played terrible because it was almost their first game entire season they played with a 4X4 team functioning team throw out the game. They were lucky whole year.
Panthers were having momentum before that happened, then when this bogus call occurred (might be one of the most underrated bad calls ever) they just couldn’t seem to recover from it the rest of the game. It was clearly a catch, ball never touched the ground and he regained possession even when it moved
Not only that but the fumble after killed their momentum too
OK he has control of the ball with his elbow n the defenders helmet.. INCOMPLETE!!!!!!
JERRICHO COTCHERY IS MY REAL BLOOD UNCLE
Nfl wants the broncos to win but it's not gonna happen
Hey good call! 👍🏻
+ash Hathaway 😆😆😆
+Mike Got Next The pussycats were in the wrong league....
@ 0:21 (little earlier than Robert Ledo) Nose of the ball hits the ground, ball is lose for a second, the commentators surprised me when they missed that.
+Raymond Jones Although you misspelled loose, I agree!
Tom Thompson correct the lose part came later ;)
was incomplete yow ming
The shit they talked, just set up the Denver Peyton Mannings for the win
Molly>Skip, Steven A
Ball was not in full control when his knee hit the ground NFL rules one knee with contact equals player ruled down. Also this is slow motion video of the play so actual time of control of the ball is very momentary
this horrible call put Carolina in a 0 - 10 hole. da ball never touched da ground
+Knowledge Seeker Yeah, it did at 0:22. It barely did, but it still did nonetheless. The nose of the ball hitting the ground there was probably enough to warrant letting the incomplete pass call stand. What everyone seems to be forgetting here is that the replay officials need to be 100% sure that a call can be overturned before overturning it. The ball hitting the ground at the 22 second mark put enough doubt in their minds to not overturn the call. Also, don't blame the refs for Cam fumbling the ball later.
+ITIJGIOJ If this was ruled a catch the score with 4 minutes left in the game would be 10 - 9 Panthers instead of 16 - 10 Broncos. Remember only two plays after this was Cam's first fumble which lead to a 2 yard scoop and score instead of a turnover at midfield.
+Jeremi Anderson At this point the Panthers would have tried to milk the clock instead of the pass attempt that Cam fumbled that led to another short field touchdown.
You gotta ask yourself, what caused the ball to come loose and roll over his body? That's right, the ground, the tip of the ball hit the ground which caused the ball to jar loose and almost hit the ground for a second time.
Yea that's what you have to ask yourself but also the denvers players helmet hit it a bit and made it move also
That's what's tricky about catches in the NFL, it *can* hit the ground if the player has control of it first and *maintains control*. I don't believe he ever quite had control of it.
I'd like to see the other angle. Here it looks like the nose hits and jars it loose.
Just because the ball TOUCHES the ground doesn’t mean it isn’t a catch but we don’t know what a catch is in the nfl
Devyn Ransom I’m surprised I haven’t heard more people talk about this play. This to me isn’t quite as bad as Dez Bryant’s robbery but still this was the momentum changer. Carolina was not themselves after this play. Not saying they could’ve won it all if they called it complete which I believe it was, but they would’ve had a very good chance to win against Denver
first, I should apologize for even commenting over a year too late. that said, I'm a Panthers fan and this was a catch but it wasn't an unreasonably bad call for the ref to call it incomplete during the live play and even after the replay they stated that the call would stand not that it was confirmed which is crucial as three is a difference. saying the play would stand meant that there wasn't irrefutable proof either way in the replay to 100% prove or disprove the original call so they stick with the original call. I disagree with that but this play was close enough that it wasn't unreasonable to get it wrong. however, here's why I think it was the wrong call and this was a catch. #1 the ball might have touched the ground but that doesn't matter as the ball can touch the ground and still be a catch as long as the ground does not aid the player on making the catch and the player has control of the ball before it touches the ground. crotchety has the ball in his hand and against his body with no ball movement a step before he goes to the ground at which point his hand is under the ball as her hours the ground initially and has he rolls forward the tip of the ball is forced downward and touches the ground but his hand remains completely around the ball at its middle. His weight and momentum causes the ball to compress and has he rolls over the ball does move as his weight comes off the ball. the rule says when going to the ground a player "must maintain control of the ball all the way thru the catch" but that's not the entire rule as it goes on to say "while still remaining inbounds or until the ball his the ground" meaning he could bobble the ball as long as he wants unless he steps out of bounds without having control or until the ball hits the ground without the player having control of the ball. it should also be noted that the rule states a player must have control of the ball but does not define that the ball can't move. in other words a player can still be considered to have control of the ball when the ball is moving as long as it's not being bobbled. looking at the play objectively no one can honestly say that when crotchety hits the ground that it helped him catch the ball or in other words if he had not hit the ground that he would have let go of the ball or it would have moved in his hand at that point. So if the grind did not help him have control of the ball at that point then the ball touching the ground them doesn't matter. as he rolls over the ball does obviously move but the rule allows the ball to move without being considered not in the players control unless he hits out of bounds while this is happening. So if you want to argue that he doesn't have control of the ball since it's moving and say he's hobbling it that still doesn't make it not a catch since he's in bounds for this entire play then he has from the point the ball begins to move or is bobbled to secure the ball before it touches the ground and is declared dead to be awarded a catch which he does. in short - the ball touching the ground as he falls on it is irrelevant as it didn't help him catch the ball since he clearly had it the step before falling and all the way to the ground and his entire hand was either under the ball at its largest part or for those believing his hand was on the side still clearly grasped the entire ball at its largest point. the ball either moved as it lifted of the ground while he rolled meaning it was no longer touching the ground and was held up while on his back. or the ball started moving while against the ground with his entire hand and body against the ball which would mean if you magically removed the hard ground at that point it would be clear the ball was secured against his body with guys hand either under or around the side of the largest part of the ball meaning the player has control of the ball without the ground helping him and before he rolls forward allowing the tip of the ball to touch the ground. this would mean it's a completed catch at that point even is only a split second since he's on the ground. allowing the ball to touch the ground without having control of the ball or bobbling it is an incomplete pass but the rule does not require that the ball not be moving to be considered in control and no honest person can say that he didn't control the ball as he hit the ground with his entire hand around it's largest point while it was pressed against his body. So while hitting the tip of the ball on the ground may have caused it to move it's unrealistic to believe that he wasn't still in control of the ball the entire time it was in contact with the ground. the only point that anyone can question of he has control is after he begins to roll and the ball comes away from his body but since it's no longer in contact with the ground that's ok and it remains a live and catchable ball which he then resecures while on his back without allowing it to touch the ground a second time. Anyone disagreeing is welcome to their opinion but anyone arguing against a catch and claiming this is an open and shut obvious case and that their conclusion is the only one that could be right is wrong as even the referees didn't think it was 100% for sure not a catch after the replay review or he would have said "the call on the field was confirmed" meaning they were 100% sure instead of saying "the call on the field stands" meaning they couldn't be sure 100% either way after seeing the replay so they went with their first impression or first guess. So if professional referees at the highest level couldn't be sure after seeing a replay then any keyboard warrior commenting on RUclips and claiming they know better is an obvious moron or a condescending, stuck up bhole
The ball hit the ground while cotchery had has hand under the ball covering
The ball CLEARLY hit the ground @ 0:22. Not sure how anyone could miss that.
+Robert Ledo his hand was under the ball every ref and player that was watching even the head of the refs said it was a catch
+PantherNFL 00 If the ball hits the ground it has to be secure through the whole play. Sure his hand was under but he didn't have control
+Guy Incognito BUT IT DIDNT TOUCH THE GROUND!
nigga his fingers were under the ball lmao😂
+anthony orgoglio How were his fingers under the ball when his hand was on the side of the ball?
his hand was under the ball. therefore it didn't hit the ground
lol how u say the ball doesn't hit the ground? not only does it hit the ground, but the ball moves AFTER it hits the ground and he doesn't display 100% control, how can they overturn this..?
His fingers were under the ball and he you have to have complete control if you're going out of bounds bc that's when it counts bc you either catch it or your out and the ball was on top of his fingers and it moved but he still didnt let it hit the ground CLEARLY YOU DONT KNOW FOOTBALL
+anthony orgoglio check at exactly 1 minute and 1:13 to see the ball actual not even be in his hands anymore, then ask yourself can u overturn this call. check several times at 1:13 in particular, he actual tries to snatch the ball back in his hand real quick. this is not a catch and the NFL is actually pretty consistent that if you go to the ground and that ball isn't 100% secure, they ain't gonna give it to u. couple that with the fact that cotchery DROPPED 3 passes (he's already bobbling this one before he went down) on the night, and u know the right call is made.
+anthony orgoglio clearly you don't know football or english. EVEN when you're in bounds, you still have to maintain possession throughout the catch. After it hits the ground, which it obviously does, he bobbled it. Not even close to a catch
+thalivinlegend11 yea I see that but HELLA people do that and it gets called a catch
anthony orgoglio You seem like an angry 14 year old crying about his losing team. I'm quite sure I could take a blind (0:22) 14 year old no problem in a football 1v1.
The people complaining just flat out don't know their shit! Simple as that!! Ball touched the ground and even tho I don't think the ground caused the ball to move, it DID move and that's all that matters. If the ball didn't move at all, it would have been a catch! This was the right call!!
It was a catch denvers players helmet tapped it and made it move a bit
anthony orgoglio It doesn't matter what caused the movement. All that matters is that the ball moved after touching the ground!!
+MR soFRESH soCLEAN HIS KNEE HIT THE GROUND
Rex Newton Annnnnnddd??? Clearly u just don't know the rules!
clearly you don't know the rules mr lambert. his knee and elbow were down before the ball touched the ground. the fact that it touched the ground shouldn't have mattered because the play was already over
Pain
How is that so called incompleted pass deferent from patriots completed pass with the falcons at superbowl 51
that's a catch stupid refs screwing the panthers to get peyton manning a second ring he didnt need
Its over with....no im sayin?
That was totally a catch
57 seconds his hand is under the backside of the ball and the front nose is clearly touching the ground... now id the ball never moved from and he kept it tight to his stomach it would have been a catch but the ball CLEARLY moves after it touches
At 0:21 you can see that the ball hit the ground. At one point the ball was vertical and you can even see the bottom tip of the ball well into the grass. That being said, all NFL games are Fixed. Why do you think NFL is registered an Entertainment (i.e. WWE) and not a Sport? So they can rig the results.
This is just another example of the Calvin Johnson rule in effect.
it looked like a catch to me lol
I do not like the Panthers and I thought it was a catch. It was still early in the game.
I love the panthers for one reason Jared Allen
And they still folded like a house of cards after this
The ball hit the ground and moves. Every time that happens it's incomplete. The ball can touch the ground but when a receiver has control it doesn't move.
Ball never touched the ground
it definitly was a catch
I actually think it was loose not a complete catch and I’m a panthers fan
0:22 is the reason the refs were saying it stands idk how commentators and fans missed that
the ball did come out but it never hit the ground so it was still live
+ryan Druck the fact that it's debatable makes the play stand by rule
he had possession of the ball. he didn't use the ground to help him catch the ball and his hand was under the ball and it never hit the ground. NFL is rigged for Peyton. not much more to it smh...
+Bom Trady How does nobody see at 0:22 the tip of the ball touches? Im a pats fan that didnt wanna see the broncos lose so theres no bias. yes his hand is under the middle of the ball but look at the tip. IF it didn't touch the ground it was by less than a mm so that can't overrule the call because it must be clear the ball didn't hit which it did. if a blown call makes the NFL rigged then I guess every other sport is rigged because we see it all the time in the NBA and MLB too.
+Anthony Reyes I mean I didn't wanna see the Broncos win*
Refs made the correct call. Control was not maintained after the ball hit the ground.
Nigga the ball didn't hit the ground that was a clean catch ball stayed in his hands the whole time
+anthony orgoglio Yes, it did hit the ground.
You must not be able to afford an HD tv. It clearly hits the ground then he loses control....again.
+anthony orgoglio First of all, the fact that he bobbled it at all, means it is not a "clean catch." Second of all, the ball hits the ground. Pause it at 22 seconds.
+Rich T I understand what that means but his fingers were under the ball