iMessage Should Support RCS
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2022
- Ever wonder why green bubbles have problems with iMessage users? Turns out Apple can solve that problem by supporting the new RCS standard.
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The really dumb part is that Iphone users seem to be more okay with expecting me to buy a new phone for chat features, but are unwilling to download a free app with more features.
Just get an iPhone
@@IslamicTalksPodcast Customization, innovation, features, etc. are all typically better on android phones. There are many reasons why people choose android. Shouldn't have to get an iPhone for a single feature.
@@IslamicTalksPodcast You downloading a free app or me spending hundreds of dollars on a new phone. hmmm....
@@MegaLokopo yes
@@icy1018 customisation is overrated and innovations on phones are all gimmicks now
I think the eventual solution will be: Apple eventually supports RCS… but the bubbles are still green.
Apple should troll and make it a blinding yellow bubble lmao 🤣
@@Johnnygga Eventual solution will be people ditching iMessage for Signal
As an Android user I have to agree to be honest nothing is keeping people in the iOS ecosystem at this point and this last I message wall will be the last thing driving people buying iPhones. Apple has made a killing off of alienating most humans off of their platform I don't understand how a company with 14% market share can keep overcharging for mediocre phones and literally make all this money it's literally ass backwards economics
I disagree. If apple adopt RCS, the bubbles would be blue, but all fancy features like reactions, read receipts, typing bubbles, will be all restricted as it is now to imessage only.
@@willbuschmann bad take
As a techie student who bounces around a lot of different areas at school, whenever I hear someone mention how “android breaks the chat” I try and educate them on how it’s technically their phones that break the chat because they don’t support modern text messaging. It usually makes them think for a minute and gives me enough time to actually try and inform them on what’s going on. It’s not much, but hey - educate and solve problems one at a time right?
Idk if you'll ever see this reply 9 months late but I love your mentality
Unfortunately most people only see the surface level of tech without understanding even the basics of what goes on underneath, such as the difference between SMS and iMessage and other alternatives like RCS. They just know blue and green and know that green doesn't have as many features. Why is that? They don't know. Because they don't understand or care to understand, they adopt a very self centered view that "green is Android's fault because when me text Android, text is green". Even people who know a lot about politics, social trends, and even computer science/engineering think this way. It's sad.
Highly appreciate your work.
Dear iPhone user,
I find it quite intriguing that you chose to rebuke an Android user for "breaking the group chat" when, in actuality, the onus falls squarely upon Apple's decision not to adopt the widely accepted and technologically superior messaging protocol, Rich Communication Services (RCS).
To shed some light on the matter, RCS is a cutting-edge messaging standard that supersedes the antiquated Short Message Service (SMS) and Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS) protocols. It brings a plethora of advanced features and capabilities such as high-quality media sharing, read receipts, typing indicators, and end-to-end encryption, thereby rendering an enriched and seamless messaging experience to users.
It's essential to acknowledge that most Android devices have embraced the universal profile of RCS, which ensures seamless interconnectivity amongst various carriers and devices. By doing so, Android has effectively future-proofed its messaging ecosystem, aligning with the ever-evolving demands of communication in this digital era.
Conversely, Apple has obstinately clung to its proprietary iMessage protocol, which, although feature-rich, remains exclusive to iOS and macOS users. This myopic approach not only hinders interoperability with non-Apple devices but also perpetuates a fragmented messaging landscape.
It is therefore rather disingenuous to insinuate that the Android user is to blame for "breaking the group chat." In truth, it is Apple's reluctance to adopt RCS that has led to this predicament. By integrating RCS into the iMessage platform, Apple could easily bridge the gap between iOS and Android users, fostering a unified and harmonious messaging experience.
In conclusion, I implore you to reassess your stance and recognize that the onus of "breaking the group chat" lies not with the Android user but with Apple's refusal to support the RCS protocol. It is high time for Apple to abandon its walled garden approach and embrace open standards that foster seamless communication across all devices and platforms.
@@Chickaqee Disingenuous? Android is quite literally incentivized to adopt RCS with how fragmented the market is for phone manufacturers that adopt their operating system. Even then, it's still a subpar product.
Why would Apple allocate the resources to adopt RCS when they've already created a tangentially superior product? The irony and cognitive dissonance in defining Apple's strategy as a "myopic approach". What about the fiduciary responsibility Apple has to its shareholders to leverage their market position after investing the Capex needed to vertically integrate and create said competitive advantage?
It's the equivalent of Bing, Yahoo, and Baidu forming a consortium to pressure Google into relinquishing search engine market share. Shy of a government anti-trust probe, Apple has no fiduciary duty to adopt RCS. Welcome to the free market, bud.
iMessage isn't superior to RCS, and critically, iMessage is the tallest wall in their garden. Apple users are already used to and trained to accept a shitty experience when working outside of their "environment." Supporting RCS would fix too many of iphones problems and free people to try other phones. So they're not going to until they're forced to (just like the EU forced them to fix their old, trash charge port).
The classism is insane. The girl I was seeing at the time had a friend that said she thinks that guys who use Android's is a "red flag". She also said "Oh you're one of those guys with the green bubbles". I was stunned. I thought this was only an internet meme. I didn't realize people are actually this classist in real life. That just made me feel even more justified for having an Android.
Honestly, I see it as a dodge bullet when I hear people say, just shows how shallow some people are.
This is scary. To think people like that will become adults.
What's sad is that my Android is more expensive and premium than people's iPhones
Well, iPhone is a red flag. An Apple user does not own the handset, which is used for many things the user can do nothing about and for the most part does not even know about. The red flag is Ignorance.
Bro, girls who judge you based on your choice of iPhone or Android are a red flag 🚩 🚩 🚩
Imagine them releasing RCS and USB C in one go... One can only wish
I bet android fans would consider to buy an iPhone if Apple went in
@@BlizzardWind99 I use WhatsApp most of the time. the only thing that's stopping me from iPhone is not being able to sideload apps, also I would really love to see a SD card support.
@@BlizzardWind99 no, its OS preference
yeah not all, but some would if Apple does these... I mean it doesn't make any sense when a macbook and ipad can use the same cable to charge or transfer stuff but with the an iphone you will need to airdrop which needs to be on wifi and bluetooth
@@naseeb46 You technically can sideload up to 3 apps using sideloadly or 2 if u use altstore. The caveat: you have to refresh it every week. Hence, the experience is way better on Android, which is why I am switching currently
Apparently, there's a social status for having an iPhone vs Android in Middle School. I ended up buying an iPhone for my daughter for Christmas (I told myself I'd never do it), because she apparently catches flack for having a Pixel. It's pretty stupid, tbh.
Apple thrives on social status it seems, almost like a veblen luxury brand.
which pixel btw? just tell her that its not about manufacturer its about specs and price you're paying for the specs
pixel literally has better HDR and night photos than iPhone
I feel like the flack she catches has less to do with the fact she has an Android and more to do with having a Pixel. The problem is people comparing "iPhone to Android." Android is an operating system, so how can you compare that to a phone? People perpetuate the notion that "iPhone is better than Android" by lumping ALL Android phones together as if they're the same just because they have the same operating system. There are so very high end non-iPhone smart phones on the market today, some even better then iPhones, that are Android phones. But people discount and overlook them because when they think of Android, they're not thinking of the latest Samsung Galaxy with a 4K camera and 12GB of RAM, they're thinking the average phone made by whomever that also has Android on it.
@@DavidKen878 *8K camera
India has ridiculous amount of spam messages to keep us away from opening SMS related apps 🤣 including iMessage 💬
My immediate family was all on iPhone for years. I finally switched when I joined a startup company and got added to so many “group” chats with friends and FAMILY.
RCS could easily bridge the gap.
Didn't realize that Apple had that control in the US, we all just use WhatsApp in the UK and almost everyone I know does
Yeah it sounds absolutely crazy to me because I do not know ANYONE from where I'm from who doesn't use WhatsApp or iMessage alone. Literally.
@@592Johno Really? In the U.S. it seems like a big part of the issue is non-techy adults not willing to dowload WhatApp? Does everyone else not have that issue? Are your 70 year-old grandma's downloading it? Do you not hate Facebook as much much?
@@OriginalGanstaEnt EVERYONE uses WhatsApp. Everytime my parents who don't know jack shite about tech gets a new phone the first thing they ask me to do is setup WhatsApp. Yeah meta pisses me off but oh well... I have a Google account so.... Same thing there
Get the Facebook hate (not a fan either) but let's not pretend what Apple does with labour to make the iPhones is not also evil
Yeah it's pretty funny and also concerning that UK politicians also seem to do most of their business over whatsapp.
I'm in France and born in 2003 and WhatsApp, Instagram and Discord are the absolute default for group chats and having an iPhone or an android doesn't change anything whatsoever which is pretty cool considering the issue in the US.
I have no idea about Snapchat though since I don't use it but from what I've seen it is used more as a sort of substitute of Instagram (by that I mean stories and showing what you are doing , where you are, etc) used mostly by the younger generation.
It’s crazy how France is only a train away from the UK but is in a similar situation with the uk iMessage being the default.
@@asuprem3307 wtf? I live in the UK and iMessage is definitely not the default.
In high school almost everyone used WhatsApp or Snapchat to message.
These days it's discord or WhatsApp/telegram/signal
@@dal_ayy5367 you can’t be from london then. In my school days it was just BBM, everyone I meet uses iMessage even clients, the only time I would use WhatsApp was if they didn’t have an iPhone or just didn’t use iMessage.
It’s mostly WhatsApp here in Belgium. Has been for at least 5 years
Also Messenger
Apple: "Bullying is bad...unless you're bullied into getting an iPhone for just one app, then it's cool."
Cyberbullying is definitely a terrible thing.
I'm curious, considering the number of things the EU has tried to require, including the upcoming USB-C requirement, could the EU require phones with data network access to support RCS? What could Apple do in response?
Sure they could, but we don't have that problem here so there is no urgency. If the situation was like in the US, we would have had it by now.
I love how in the US we have to bank on the EU implementing common sense tech regulation, so that the trickle down effects of companies conforming to those standards benefit us as well.
@@FlorinArjocu There are other alternatives like Whatsapp, Telegram and Signal which are far more popular than SMS and RCS. EU can’t do whatever they want. It’s not like USB C where Apple is the only one opposing it.
As a 17 year old I can agree that being an android user I get left out of group chats and sometimes neglected for plans and parties because I am on android. I have to run a macbook with airmessage in order to not be overlooked
You can run airmessage on a Mac and still have an Android?
That’s extremely dumb. In mexico and the rest of latin america everyone uses whatsapp.
Find new friends bro. Easier said than done but they really aren't your friends.
@@jclif77 that's not really how it works dude
@@SneakyCaleb It is a 2015 macbook air with a broken screen I got for free
As a German Citizen, having friends spread around the world speaking (from the Philippines to Canada) the US should just get their head out of their ass!! I have WhatsApp, Telegram, iMessages, and Signal on my phone and I don't f...ing care. Bullying some for the color of their bubble and therefor the voice they made for a phone is stupid. Just adapt to the decisions of your surrounding. Mom on WhatsApp, Dad on Telegram, Grandpa on iMessages and my Coworkers on Signal. Who cares. some don't give a flock and some do! Why do they care. there are more important issues in the world. FULL STOP.
exactly bro exactly omg, its not apples fault that apps arent so fluid on andriod, its googles damn fault for not optimising andriod enough for the apps on their
I agree. I know it’s cultural but they’re so entitled. Bitch please, sit down!
The same problem exists in Canada, regardless of your experience with your friend(s) that live there.
There are a million norms about the U.S. that just straight up baffle the rest of the world. Americans don't really a give a crap tho
@@diandrecarty4512 Apps are fluid on android. you still live in 2010
There's a status symbol and coolness factor that's attached to blue bubbles and iPhones especially in Gen Z. It's actually true that you can get bullied for using an Android in middle/high school. I've seen it on School buses, classrooms and even the cafeteria. These Gen Z kids will blindly follow the crowd because "everyone is using/doing it".
Thats mostly a US thing. Ive been living in Korea and the Philippines and that doesnt exist. In Korea, most people use Samsungs or iPhones, and all is good since we use Kakaotalk mostly and in the Philippines, while people view both Samsung and Apple as the most premium brands, people there dont care too when it comes to messaging devices. Messenger or Telegram is mostly used.
Yeah! Keep sending the word that Apple is chocking growth and security. I am an Apple iPhone, iMac, MacBook Pro owner frustrated with those monopolizing AppleVader thinking. The greed is spewing all over. Thanks to you and people like you, we may one day enjoy more possibilities
completely true, in my high school literally everybody has an iPhone except me and it feels so weird to be in a group chat and someone saying "why cant i add someone" knowing you are the reason lol
Lol
Personally I love breaking up their group chats the simple fact that the only people in my life who can't send me high quality content is iPhone users because everybody I know has an Android is the funniest thing ever in my circle iOS users are the green bubble
@@TaureanSmoke what do you mean by " high quality content" ? in terms of videos in messages? or pictures? or do you mean in terms of high quality content in conversations? Just wondering.
@@zerokool-2058 what I mean is when an iPhone sends a video or a photo to an Android phone it also looks like crap. And again that's because of apple and all of their BS! When I text an Android phone even when they don't have RCS the videos and the photos are still high quality content it just takes forever to send because of SMS. With RCS however those videos and high quality photos send in literally half a second. So what I'm saying is as an Android user I choose not to communicate with iOS users because their phones literally destroy texting iPhones are terrible at SMS texting that's why this situation is the way it is Android phones excel at chat, RCS and texting that's the difference between Android and iOS Android caters to everything, iOS only caters to one thing! And that's why Android has 80% market share and iOS only has 16%
Lol
Totally true that teens don't add Android phone numbers to their iPhone group chat. My cousin carries 2 phones. iPhone 6 for iMessages and pixel for general issue. He loves android but is pressured to carry an iPhone as well
I carry 2 phones for the same reason XD
Wow how sad
I could see another way for apple to implement it. And this is from a european perspective. But i could see a future where the EU might demand some sort of standard for telecommunication and have it be RCS thereby forcing apple to adopt the RCS format. Maybe only in European regions kinda like the EU's plan to standardize charging through USB type c
But this is not a problem in eu tho
Most people in Europe and around the world use Whatsapp and no one cares about RCS. EU can’t enforce whatever standards they think is best.
While I agree that Apple needs to support rcs, if your friends are judging you because of the color of your messaging bubbles, they aren't true friends.
I'm an Android user and unfortunately I don't think this is true. Most people hate green bubbles because they're tech-ignorant, not realizing Apple is causing the problem. However this doesn't make them bad friends just because they don't know jack about tech. Sadly people think it's okay to have an "everyone should get an iPhone" attitude (which ignores the fact that that is a monopoly and Android has great features) so that really can be a barrier to friendship.
@@Frestho Well yes you're correct, but on the other hand they'd still talk to you and treat you like a person if they actually cared. I'm sure explaining this stuff would help too, as then they could understand why their digital touch messages aren't sending or whatever they're trying to do that doesn't work. As for the attitude, this just shows the ignorance of our modern society, but I do have to give Apple a bit of credit for this, as they make everything WITHIN THEIR WALLED GARDEN as seamless and easy to use as possible. I wish their messages app would tell people more or use some smarter fallbacks at the very least though, as failing for no reason is just going to make people confused and automatically blame the receiver because "blue bubbles work just fine" (though knowing Apple, this was likely intentional). For example a notice to enable mobile data to send MMS messages, or a popup showing you a MMS is ready to download like basically every Android app does when data is off. Apple has really mastered iMessage and it's features, but Android supports SMS and MMS to what seems to be the limit, while Apple hasn't given a damn about it for years (I can use SMS on iOS 6 and I don't feel like much is missing, where as on iMessage basically everything is).
I wrote more than I meant to lol
@@Frestho I don't think so, you can always call, a real friend would never do that for something as stupid as "text bubble color".
I've definitely been excluded from chats because I use android. Now whenever you're in a group for a class in college (so every semester when you start new classes) so you need to make a chat, the first question is if anyone has an android. If someone has an android, then the next option is Snapchat. The imessage users definitely make the android users feel bad, even though they don't mean to. If there's multiple android users they stick together, but if there's just one, they definitely end up feeling at least a little bad and outcast and the reason for the issues.
Jesus, Snapchat really? Is that the best possible user experience? Would WhatsApp not make more sense, or signal?
@@ian9outof10 No one wants to download another app. Most people already have Snapchat.
@@CharlesBeast Jesus I remember how much I hated high school but being at yours would be so much worse.
It was a 60/40 android to iPhone split when I was in high school and everyone used WhatsApp or Snapchat, iMessage was the minority and everyone understood if you used WhatsApp, it was preferred in fact.
I'm so sorry bro, pull through it gets better eventually.
I’m in college and this is facts, I have an iPhone however. I hate when that happens and what’s even worse is that I don’t have any social media except for discord, so I try to get them to pick discord rather than a regular GC.
Why would you use that robo cop chinese garbage phones ever Lmao
I'm glad I live in EU now bc this was a big deal (in the US) and explaining to non-technical iphone users is difficult bc they revert to "well chat x works so you are the problem" You're better off not being friends with people that value a company over your company.
Where I live it’s extremely common to have 3 or 4 messaging apps installed and move between them pretty seamlessly. When a message goes bing, you pop open that app and reply. If you have a mate who’s not on iPhone you just create that chat in another app like WhatsApp and off you go. The cultural barriers to using other apps mentioned on the show aren’t such a big deal here. Agree that RCS should be included in iMessage.
Carriers are the ones that can solve this by just dismantling SMS and using RCS as a standard
With this Apple will have no choice but to certainly include RCS support in their phones
I thought basically every Android phone now comes with RCS and can be used, regardless of carrier. I could be mistaken tho
@@NobodyXChallengerYT RCS is highly dependent on carrier support and only North American carriers support it. The rest of the world by and large doesn’t support RCS.
@@aninditabasak7694 What rest of the world do you mean? In Europe RCS support is as good as in US if not better. The problem with adoption of RCS lies not in carrier support but in people habit. Because we didn't had RCS before that would seemingly move us from SMS to some better alternative, we had to switch to separate apps like Whatsapp or Facebook Messanger, I don't a reason why people would switch back RCS, as it offers less features. Whatsapp or FB Messanger are not only for texting but for voice/video calls as well.
Coming from a kid who went to a public school in nyc, and graduated fairly recently, I can confirm people would get bullied or excluded if they had an android phone
Did it matter what type of Android phone it was? Because not all Android phones are the same or made by the same company? I feel like people who think like that don't realize there are some Android phones that are 10x better then iPhones. They think of Android and picture only the average lower end phones.
@@DavidKen878 I would say if you had a Samsung or One Plus phone, you weren't really bothered just laughed at a little, but anything other than that and you would be going through it
@@isaiahmcintyre5465 That's rough. Kids today will find anything they can to make fun of others.
@@DavidKen878 At my school literally everyone laughed and made fun of you for having any android whatsoever. If it didn't look like an iphone you were bullied and people would straight up not be friends with you for it
I just compare my 4k display Xperia phone to iphone users, I play a video and the iPhones display looks so bad cheap in comparison 😂
Supporting RCS will lead to a better UX for iPhone users... No one wants to deal with the small file limit that MMS supports, which leads to compressed images/videos. Also SMS/MMS is not encrypted. it's time apple.
iMessage itself is encrypted I think
But i agree with your points regarding sms/mms in general
@@just4commentsable yup but communication between an iphone and an android uses sms/mms both ways. I'm not saying iMessage should die and RCS should be what they use (that will never happen), but they should integrate RCS features in to communicate with androids securely and with better features
RCS won’t support encryption either.
@@judgesh RCS already supports encryption
The best part about Apple is the second you leave America you literally see no iPhones in the wild lmfao
Why was there an antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft because Office didn't work on Apple as well as Apple wanted it to? Apple should be sued over iMessage.
As someone from a almost WhatsApp country I find the US situation really baffling. It's not like people were completely unwilling to install new apps from time to time. Think TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat. All of these have direct messages as well.
Something they don't bring up and people look over is the fact that iOS has a way higher US marketshare than global marketshare. With that in mind, more people have iMessage by default in the U.S., making them less inclined to install WhatsApp, Telegram, Line, etc.
Same boat mate. It's almost like the whole country tries so hard to be set apart. I'm all for being unique and all that stuff, but at this point, you just gotta wonder what's happening. When MKBHD said "No one wants to download new apps...", I was honestly perplexed. I literarily just told myself that it's probably an American thing and waved it off. Nothing else explains this issue.
@@timilehinolagoke6359 But, then did u downloaded fb, insta, tik-tok and what not
@@OriginalGanstaEnt still Android is the majority
@@lalnuntluangachhakchhuak5767 It's still high enough to cause the bullying for not having an iPhone. It's like 40/60 in the US.
I've found the biggest issue (as an iPhone user) in family groups with iPhone & android phones is not the android users per se, but rather the non-techy family members WITH iPhone who don't understand the limitations of MMS chat and keep "liking" posts and sending those crap little videos. You can't explain why that doesn't work in this particular group when it works in all their other blue-bubble-only groups.
But real talk, the MMS chat limitations are only slightly more annoying than the iMessage group chats I'm in where everyone has to react to every f*(%ing message so my phone buzzes continuously every time someone wants to schedule a meet up.
the liking could be solved. Just have the android phone parse the message and change Liked: "here's what I said" to a little thumbs up mark. iPhone replaces the symbol with text, so it's a pretty easy thing for and android phone to check.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue its harder than you would think, but google have stated they are working on doing basically that.
Exactly. I got flak from non tech iPhone users in my family and friends. No one wants to install another app.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue I think u make a lot of sense. I've often wondered why android makers didn't just covert the "text" to an emoji/reaction on the Android end? After All, iPhone converts the reaction/emoji to texts. It's just about creating a simple code to do the conversion. But after that, what about the problem with pixilated video clip messages?
@@legochicano because you only see that you only ask them to use one more app, but in the reality if 20 person ask you to use 20 different apps, that is insane. Easier to ignore every other app instead of tracking 20 apps which one you need to open to talk with one specific person. And you also can send a chat message from twitter to the facebook users, but seems that is not a problem, because that is not owned by Apple.
For US iPhone, and by default Android, users to have a fully private and secure messaging experience, Apple has to embrace RCS as the default fallback when texting to someone outside of iOS. There is no alternative. If they don't however, it speaks to the extent that they really care for their users' privacy.
I'm in my 30s and legit never had an iPhone despite getting so much flack from my iPhone friends over the years. It definitely got worse once iMessage rolled out. Currently on the standard Pixel 6 and don't see myself switching anytime soon. I agree this should be done but Apple won't do it.
You dropped your crown sir
I've legitimately had an adult ask me in an irritated tone: "why do you just not have an iphone?"
It ended up being ok because all I said was "it doesn't do what I need" and the guy just looked like a toolbag. He's not even a bad dude, but that caught me off guard when it happened.
@@hobosnake1 yeah tell him i needed a smartphone karen not an ugly bathroom tile
I can confirm this bullying in college. When forming study groups, initially anyone may be added. Then another group chat with only ios users is created while the original group chat is silenced. I know this is silly and doesnt make any sense, but its real.
I like Andy's analogy to Imperial and Metric. Metric is the international standard. Same as USB-C and now RCS. They are universal standards that should be adopted by all. But Apple being Apple they must make proprietary tech, and hold off as long as possible to adopt the new standard. Look how long they took to finally put usb-c on ipads and they still don't on iPhone.
The problem with this is that Apple tends to build out its services to get around the lunacy of carrier limitations. iMessage exists becuase SMS/MMS do not allow the kind of chat it wants to provide. The same is true of lightning, it was built for a world where the alternative was an awful USB standard connector. So Apple made its own, more elegant solution. Adding in RCS is fine, it's a reasonable request, Apple should do it. Providing iMessage on Android won't happen, why should it, it'll cost Apple money and make them nothing.
@@ian9outof10oh agree I understand why Apple did lightning 10 years ago, but the industry standard (usb-c) has improved and moved beyond lightning. So they should adopt the industry standard to allow working with everything. Same as RCS. We know iMessage is better than SMS, but the new standard is RCS, so Apple should move with the industry.
@@ian9outof10 nobody really cares they make billions off other stuff
@CR45H 0V3RR1D3 African here. Please leave us out of this. But yeah, send the 10,000lbs of food. 😅
@CR45H 0V3RR1D3 Yeah but don't forget that NASA and the Military (in a lot of use cases) uses metric as well.. sure it might be fine in everyday life but why make it more difficult for yourself to convert stuff? Like this isn't even meant as a critique I genuinely just wonder why so many Americans want to hold on to the Imperial system for dear life, when it's more difficult to deal with everyday?
Seen from the other side of the Atlantic, this sounds like a bad dream. As iPhone does not have a majority here, they cannot do that in Europe. Why on Earth would be laws against more discrete discrimination if such a basic discrimination is allowed to exist? Makes me love European laws for making our lives simpler in daily life situations like forcing companies to use standards - soon for USB-C (iPhone is the only one without but they will have to comply once this goes live, too). All but iPhones have USB-c also thanks to EU. What is strange is that none of you even take into consideration a government intervention to push Apple into standards.
That’s not how the US government works. We are very anti-government-intervention in business, often to our own detriment.
@@ryanrmcshane It is only a facade, because the government does interfere with business by either helping or blocking some businesses according to its interest.
If the EU implements a law that forces all manufacturers to use RCS (notably Apple) then I won't be surprised tbh
@@Charted Maybe. For now not many of us really use RCS to really know how it works as most of us send real content over apps like Whatsapp. Because SMS was so way behind, we found options and it is hard to quit them now. If RCS catches up and it works great, could be like what you say.
The RCS has been a problem for a while. There was an article a couples years back stating that carriers didn’t want RCS due to higher data costs. Google should had a solution years ago for this.
On the one hand I'm grateful to live in Europe where basically nobody uses SMS or iMessage so people don't tend to care about what phone you have (with the possible exception of small teenagers but they're entire life revolves around worrying how to fit in) so you end with so much variety and acceptance in smartphones. Now on the other hand it does mean using WhatsApp which is great however it's owned by Facebook which it rather avoid completely.
I used to struggle making friends so it didn't really matter, but yeah, primarily use WhatsApp (although I would prefer it if some people I knew wasn't using older Android devices running like 4.1 so I can use RCS instead, don't really like Meta having all my data, even if my carrier allows WhatsApp not to count towards my allowance).
Everyone pretty much only uses sms in Europe though. SMS and FB Messenger. The techier crowd uses like Telegram and Whatsapp, but even they use sms for like texting your family and stuff.
my main group chat is on whatsapp
yeah i only use whatsapp when i have to, because let's be honest every single message you send on that service is being sold to the highest bidder. At the end of the day WhatsApp isn't a "free service", you're paying for it by consenting to sell your private communications to Meta.
@Buck you need to remain firm on Android,do u want Germany to have a iMessage cancer ? Show them the true face of apple and ask them to use telegram or whatsapp.
As a 10th grader, I know that many people won’t do a group project with an android person
That's actually cringe
Lol true
Yeah that's a very unattractive look. Cringe galore
That sounds stupid lmao
That’s ridiculous
I've been an Android user since high school and can honestly say it affected my social life significantly. No one wnasted to have an Android in their group chat.
Hey Marques, I really appreciate what you do, Big fan from India. I would like to suggest you one more topic to discuss on. Apple does not allow phone call audio recording feature neither does it allow any app on AppStore to do so. Whereas all other android phones support that. Most smartphone manufacturers have that feature built in, like in OnePlus & Mi. This is a really important feature and is very helpful in a country like India, where it can be used as an evidence of abuse or any other form of threat, even in our judicial system. I would appreciate it very much if you could highlight this topic & bring it to Apple’s notice. Thank you.
In my country (in Europe) everyone, young or old, use WhatsApp. Doesn’t matter if they have an Android (the majority) or iPhone.
Same in México but the apple stigma is real among certain societies like expensive schools
You're very lucky to have a standard outside of North America.
@@legochicano same in brazil, its kinda funny to hear this kind of problems, before i knew USA used iMessage or these things, i thought people only used these apps to receive authentication codes
yup. In Philippines, we use either messenger, viber, or telegram. its not a big deal
I am excluded from my high school friend text group (class of 2003) because they don't want to bring in a green bubble. I communicate with these guys individually and in smaller group threads, but I do not have an invitation to THE group thread because of this issue; they straight up told me this.
Just US things. As a German I do not get it. It could be so easy.
I was born in 2003
get new friends
@Joe That doesn’t mean Scott couldn’t have a texting group with his class friends today.
@@TimeSkipX Nah... not just the USA.
In marketing we call that “creating tension” it’s what interrupters do to get people on board with their product
As someone who has had friends stright up tell me: "We did not invite you because you're not in the group chat", I really hope RCS becomes the standard and I hope iOS integrates it someday. The fact that iOS users are jeporadizing friendships and romantic relationships over a green bubble is shallow and the only thing that should be shallow is a body of water. If you're going to be that shallow, you might as well drown yourself in some. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Maybe they are not your real friends.
@@jacksoncosta4031 Haven't spoken to them folks since 2020.
This is a massive issue that occurs, it feels like 50% of the group chat works when theres an android included since the features don’t work. The experience is MUCH worse, and is completely understandable if experienced in the amount we did in highschool. Snapchat and other messaging apps really bridged this gap in recent years, but iMessage is still just this dominant force which really feels much better if you have/use one with group texting
so buy an iphone , they are quite cheap nowadays
The point is that the experience shouldn't be worse. RCS exists and basically supports everything that makes iMessage unique, but Apple won't allow it.
@@diandrecarty4512 imagine having to buy a train to use the road. Just because you drive a car doesn't mean someone else can't buy a minivan or truck. Likewise, bicycles and motocyles are also able to use the same roads as cars. The point is to support a standard that works for everyone for the sake of communication. And that standard is RCS even if it is years late.
@@matrix2000x2 well from a marketing perspective, it wouldn't make much sense for Apple to allow access to Android users, Imessage is what makes Apple , be Apple, Apple already allow Android access to FaceTime and its shit , and I wouldn't await them to do the same thing again
Im in a big group chat with all my siblings (8 of us). All iPhones. People w no iPhones wouldn’t understand. Our chat lit. A RUclips link just playing right there in the messages not having leave, sharing music, pics, videos, documents, files, and reacting to thing. It’s just so colorful & immersive. I can’t explain it
Growing up in an immigrant household I get to see both the US and international versions of messaging and honestly it is very different. My family overseas all use WhatsApp for communication which is very rare and hard to explain for Americans here
As an EU citizen, fck WhatsApp. Most of us use it, but not because we like it. I just use it because my work company has a project team group there, but rarely anyone speaks there because we all prefer to speak through Telegram anyway lol. Telegram is very slowly exploding in popularity in the EU, and I'm glad it is.
In the UK it’s mainly iMessage
@@asuprem3307 UK is like the "small US" of Europe. Both speak english, both use awkward units (feet, pounds, gallons etc), both don't use Euros, and both have a huge Apple market share domination. Kinda interesting to think about it
@@azenyr USA, Canada, UK, and Australia all share similar traits and have American/British influence while being different in their our own right especially Australia. We all use our own money, speak English, and have an iPhone domination. They all bicker about each other but will always have each other’s backs when necessary.
I agree. I'm mexican but I live near the border and everyone here in Mexico uses WhatsApp or Messenger but my foreigners friends uses iMessages. I have an Android so I text them on Instagram cause I can't have iMessages and they always make a big deal about it 🙄 it's so annoying
This is not an issue here in Europe, we just use Whatsapp, Telegram and Signal. This way, everyone is able to text each other no matter what phone they have.
But to stay on topic, yes, iMessage should support RCS but sadly that’s not going to happen 😕
@Sandwich Are you sure that's true abroad? Internationally tons of people use Android, which I think naturally makes people more open to Apple alternatives. In the US it's like people won't even consider anything Android regardless of its features just because it's not Apple made.
In India mostly everyone uses WhatsApp for messaging. The default Messages app used for OTPs, online puchase updates, promotionals etc.
2 things to comment:
Apple would be perfectly fine making life easier for everyone and implementing RCS, sure they might lose 15% or so of anual US sells which is huge, but for a company that advertises itself as caring deeply about their users it should be the one that takes a loss for them, but of course this is the millionth time they are being hypocritical no surprises here.
And 2... Man do we have it easy in Europe...
Thank god WhatsApp is so huge here and before that BBM... My god having an android in the UK during high school was a breeze.
Correction *world excluding US
they caring for iOS user not android user
I hope Apple can include RCS before carriers actually have to dismantle the SMS infrastructure
This will be when they do it, when they are forced.
The thing is I think, in the US at least, you end up with a Chicken and Egg problem where no carrier is going to dismantle SMS when ~50% of their (most affluent) users don’t have phones that support RCS.
@@richardparadox163 sure, but considering that number is dropping with each phone generation it won't be long till everyone has a phone with RCS support. Just think of how 3g is being discontinued.
@@gotenks157 the reality is that number is not dropping anytime soon because iPhones still hold the majority and continue to outsell their rivals and iPhone users tend to spend more than android users anyway, also since when have carriers been on the consumers side anyway?
@@asuprem3307 i wasn't really counting iphones. The carriers wouldn't care about iPhone when deciding to cut and support since iphone wouldn't really have an issue. And it would benefit the carrier to not be supporting 2 messaging types. But yes, it's definitely not happening anytime soon.
The bullying is honestly a huge issues.
Sometimes it is intentional.
Alot of times they do not realize that by leaving you out of group chat they are making you an outcast.
It honestly sucks....
My swim team’s main group chat is iPhone only. Another point is you cannot add android phones to an existing iMessage group, but you can add another iPhone at any time.
Now I constantly relay group chat information to my android friends so they don’t miss practice.
You can’t even make an iMessage group chat at all if there’s any androids. I have an iPhone, and it sends me the messages about someone liking another message too. Respective RCS/iMessage support would completely fix that, and only lead to improvements for both sides.
Apple is falling behind in this. When I switched to iPhone this was the biggest downgrade (and thing holding me back) - downgrading my chats with family and most of my friends. Support RCS with encryption!
Thanks for the video guys! I've had many of these same thoughts with myself and my family. Everyone but my dad and I have iPhones. Well spoken!
It’s content like this that makes me come back to mkbhd. As always very informative
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Tbh its kinda funny how Europeans just said “fuck this” to SMS and started using messaging apps. And now its the standard.
I think the problem was that Apple made something infinitely better than SMS, and so now it makes using SMS shit. They tried fixing it by copying iMessage and making RCS. But since this problem is exclusive to the US, they’ll never do anything about it.
Instead we should normalize using WhatsApp for Android-iOS texting.
I completely agree. I normally send pics and videos to a group via fb messaging but even that compresses files....so google drive is the best we can do. All us green bubbles just want the BASIC functions of sending images and such. Apple can keep the rest.
In my country iMessage is rarely used. We either use Facebook Messenger or/and Snapchat, but FaceTime is somehow popular even though Messenger has the exact same feature that works exactly the same.
But making apple support RCS would still be beneficial to everyone outside US because we really want to move away from SMS/MMS standard. It's very old, limited and a big security flaw.
Fantastic hack! I did everything you showed here and it worked! Thanks a lot!
I’ve had multiple people complain about me having a green bubble and tell me I should switch to iPhone. Since RCS support encryption Apple should support it since Apple paint itself as privacy and security centric.
Tell them back to switch to Android
This is definitely a thing. All my friends and family are on iPhone. I flip flop back and forth between android and iPhone about every other phone and get tons of flack every time I do. And threads have been made without me when I’m on an android device. I plan on getting the Samsung Fold 3 soon and I went and bought an old Mac mini just to use as a server for AirMessage so I can still use iMessage on the android phone. It’s so ridiculous!
fold3 is an awesome device
If iMessage doesn't include android users, it can't be considered a "communication" platform. Simple as that. You shouldn't limit something as important as communication between people to a single brand of devices. Imagine WhatsApp had an android version and IOS version and the two versions of the app weren't compatible with each other. That wouldn't work, would it?
do u remember bb pin.same ideology.u can choose to use whatsapp. andriod has its own msg app just that its not working cos most android users prefer whatsapp or telegram
That’s the unique position Apple has built for itself with vertical integration. They have lived by the sword of being a walled garden, if they are not careful they could die by it someday.
It imagine if Google made RUclips exclusive to only Android lol
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify It wouldn’t make sense for google because they don’t have a big hardware business to protect by making any software exclusive to their platform. For Apple it’s the whole iPhone and further down the line iPad,Watch and Mac business to protect.
@@ayushsinha1813 Google can detect the device being used and lower the resolution to 240p if it Apple. Will that be acceptable to Iphone users ?
Had to buy my daughter an iphone because she was being left out of group chats/facetime and etc. So in that respect Apple's reluctance to support RCS makes sense. I'm sure my daughter would have an android right now if not for imessage. It seems to me that RCS is/will be the new standard leaving sms/mms behind. With that being the reality, Apple refusing to support simple RCS fall back messaging is a sleezy way to try and pressure kids/teens into iphones. The points made on security are a very valid point too!! Well done video!
It's just crazy and so unbelievable for me that the US still uses sms. For us here in south America and the Caribbean that's such an antiquated way of communicating. We used to pay per character when using sms and then were liberated when Whatsapp came along. I can't even think of going back to paid messaging
Here in Finland most of the people with a smartphone uses WhatsApp. It is great to have no difference between IPhone and Android, but it has also the cons being owned by a metaverse. Something universal and free service standard worldwide would be a deal breaker. Here in Finland almost everyone has an unlimited data plan (even most of the cheapest plans include it by default with speed limit of cource). Text messaging is the one that cost and when using IMessage you never know how the other people will see your messages and what it will actually cost.
This was a factor in my choice to leave Android in 2019. I was the only person in my whole family without an iPhone and was regularly harassed about it.
lmao the Tim Cook High Ground Meme killed me
Metric and Celsius squad!!!
What if Google phased out SMS & MMS/didn't receive them? I wouldn't suggest they do this immediately, but if they gave a 5 year transitionary warning Apple would need to either allow RCS or take some other action. They could start in another country where the impact wouldn't be as huge and slowly bring it to the US as people prepare systems etc.
Ultimately, if Android only allowed RCS and other web-based messaging (WhatsApp etc.) Apple would need to allow some of the RCS compatibility or lose iMessage dominance through it not working at all for messaging 1/4 of Americans (and higher % of the population elsewhere).
I don't know if many iPhone users really know the lack of security that occurs when they message an Android user. It's so interesting how behind USA is compared to other countries in solving the problem. This video sent me into a rabbit hole of research of which apps are out there that people are using to see if I can get my friends and family to use them instead.
It’s interesting to hear what is happening in the US. On the other hand in South Africa WhatsApp is the default messaging app. Even iPhone users message each other using WhatsApp instead of the Messenger App.
This is actually quite an interesting standard specific to the US. In India (and a lot of Asia), SMS and MMS have been replaced pretty much completely by the likes of WhatsApp. SMS are only used by service providers and official entities like banks, government agencies and more, probably because of regulations (rightfully so).
Great episode, guys! Apple is making it less secure by not allowing RCS for all users, even Apple users.
Stop the Monopoly!
iPhone user already secure with iMessages no thank 😂 it is android users problem can’t help if you people felt left out
@Sane Matt so you obviously didnt pay attention. When you text any Android, then it become unsecured, hence in everyone's interest.
@@Matteuccishane nope, supporting rcs will make it more secure for everyone because iphone users can send messages to android users encrypted. stop defending big corporations.
'1 Kilosense' is the most amazing moment I have seen on the WFC channel.
I would be interested on a whole video on this topic for the main channel tbh
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In Europe it's the opposite though, iphones buyers are a bit secluded as everyone here juste use RCS.
It means we can't add them to group chats, but also that we can't react when they send a message or stuff like that.
Many iPhone users in the EU don't even have iMessage active, and many don't even know what it is. When they turn their iPhone on for the first time, this popup appears saying "Turn on iMessage? Some charges might be applied by your ISP." or something similar and 99% of people just click "No" on this. And then, everyone has Messenger, WhatsApp or Telegram, with Telegram jumping in popularity immensely in these last 2 years or so
I’ve literally never used or know of anyone using RCS/sms here in Spain, as WhatsApp has always been a “standard” since its launch. Hell, even Instagram DMs are my go-to for communication, so in general, messaging apps are preferred for a smartphone users
I never heard of RCS before this video. Everyone in Turkey uses WhatsApp and some use Telegram.
@@tahasahin8408 offtop question: is the Bip a widely used messaging app in Turkey?
@@BohdanChub No not much honestly. It was mandatory to use bip for government workers, for example public school teacher groups tried to switch to bip but it has mostly failed.
i would argue they do have an incentive especially since they’re transitioning to profit based off services. they could offer imessage as a paid app on android and make hella money off of it
Still in high school here, bought a OnePlus 7T as a secondary to my iPhone a few years back, and was told I’d get kicked out of group chats for extracurricular clubs I was in if I put my SIM in it. I’m an iLhone guy, but I hate how it’s culturally impossible to comfortably switch.
Google has one problem, some of their new features require the user to setup and also the features are hidden inside menus..chat features should be automatic after setup up the phone, same for nearby sharing.
Wait so iMessage uses SMS to send videos and stuff and everyone uses that in US? How is that even possible? I'm totally alien to this, everyone uses WhatsApp here in Turkey. Carriers just sell 100 SMS because no one uses it.
Whole world is the same. US is just funny and weird sometimes
I had no idea this issue even existed. I'll have to ask my friends who use iPhones.
iMessage uses MMS to send video if you message someone that isn't using an iPhone. Otherwise, it's sent over the internet like WhatsApp. Also, people use a lot of other messaging services like Messenger and Snapchat.
Same in India, most recharge plans are based on how much data per day . No one cares about calls /SMS , those are free with data packs . I mostly use sms for rejecting calls
Android users are not braking your group chats by not having an iPhone, you are breaking the group chat by not using an interoperable service
My last job was as a Regional Manager within a large gym franchise. There was a group text between all the Regionals as well as the VP of the company for him to put out important information on the fly. I was the only Android user and they flat out refused to let me join the chat. Instead it would be someone's responsibility to just text me separately, to say it made my life and job so much harder would be an understatement.
That is so ridiculous and inconsiderate of them. I hope you were onto Greener pastures now.
This is such a clever thumbnail because the colors are the iMessage green and blue, but the icon colors actually make them on the opposite side. But also the gloves look like the app icon and the arm looks like the message…. 🤯🤯🤯
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I now have an iPhone 12 Pro after always having some variation of Android all my life (LG, Google, Samsung mainly) due to my now Fiancé having an iPhone all her life and we were frustrated with not being able to share videos/photos without going through some other app to maintain the quality. While I still really really don't like majority of this phone and miss my beloved Pixel I would be willing to pay a reasonable monthly amount to be able to download and use iMessage on and android phone. What am I missing here?
I'm sorry but isn't your fiance downloading Whatsapp or other free apps way more easier, convenient than you spending $1000+ on an entire new phone and leaving something you like just to receive videos/photos?
@@harry_l69 yeah that wasn’t the only reason for switching I did want to see what all the hype was about on the other side of the fence. Also my Pixel 3 was pretty buggy so I was kind of fed up with it at the time and figured maybe cell phones are just 1k now for better quality control. Instead of going Samsung I tried iPhone. Before we were using messenger or what’s app but it’s not as convenient as airdrop and taking up memory in both apps as opposed to one. And maybe it’s just her but she felt as the quality was better retained through iMessage/airdrop than 3rd party apps. 🤷🏽♂️
@@harry_l69 that's why I'm using the cheapest iphone to talk to iphone users while still using my flagship android...using iphone mini is same experience as iphone 13 pro max, just different size...even using iphone 8 is same
That's only in America lol
I think that with all the publicity coming out about bullying and kids being left out, it would be marketing in itself to make android and ios more compatible. We saw this when they blocked 3rd party apps from tracking their users. They didn't have to do it, but they're one of the few tech giants that have a relatively positive image and they want to keep it.
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Apple might also allow RCS when carrier straight up start dismantling SMS infrastructure.
I just use Signal for MMS to friends with iPhones. Avoids the iMessage bullshit compression all together. Apple can f off for making $1000+ USD phones the norm.
First person I’ve seen mention signal. I love it and wish that iOS let you integrate any texting app into one application like android does
In Portugal the minimum wage is around 800€ and the least expensive iPhone is 600€. So most people use WhatsApp just fine because the most Portuguese population use android. If you don’t want to use WhatsApp u just don’t talk to everyone what is exactly the opposite of the US. I also use an 250€ android phone because it’s cheap and for my need is just fine. I don’t need a 800€ phone when my 250€ can do everything I want lol
Same with Turkey. Minimum wage is around €270 and average people just use a Xiaomi or cheaper Samsung phones. iMessage pretty much doesn't exist here.
@@tahasahin8408 My phone is also a Xiaomi. They are cheap and well made for the price. Huawei and Samsung is also rocking in Portugal.
@@alexandrerodrigo3249 Huawei used to rock here but after the ban it went down hard. It's all cheap Samsung/Xiaomi and sometimes Oppo now.
@@tahasahin8408 here Huawei phones are still with emui 11 based on Android with Google services soo a lot of people are buying
“Pffft texting in green?? Must be broke😏”
13:52 that one frame 😂
I think it's kind of funny that people talking about this topic state encryption as an important edge of iMessage when the vast majority of iPhone users either don't know or don't care about it. Teens and college kids aren't worried about their messages being hacked or intercepted. The only real benefits of iMessage over RCS for the average person is file quality and being able to add/remove group members without creating a new thread.
I think people have always thought “apple’s never get viruses” and therefore automatically assume their iPhones are super safe. Also, maybe you’re not the target audience, but on TV, Apple had a huge campaign where they show off their security.
" The only real benefits of iMessage over RCS for the average person is file quality and being able to add/remove group members without creating a new thread."
You can do those in RCS too. You're misinformed.
That’s a pretty dated idea I think. Good VPNs and security is actually pretty common.
@@josevnueva7 I mean to an extent iPhones are super safe. Not that they aren’t vulnerable to threats. Any major threats tend to be publicly known, talked about, and patched within a week by Apple anymore. Apple’s encryption and dedication to security at user level is actually pretty impressive too. They make it super hard for apps now and websites to track anything in safari. Private Wifi Address and Private Relay add to that security as well. Even looking at Apple Pay, the App Store, and FaceID/TouchID it’s not just some generic level security they have, it’s pretty well done. You have to be really ignorant or intentional if you get any type of virus on an Apple device.
@@naviimandiv8407 i meant to say "before RCS"
I think until carriers stop backing SMS Apple has no pressure to care about this. Until they are backed in a corner by the carriers because they eliminating this old protocol then nothing will change.
Alternatively carriers jointly agreeing on one encrypted cloud messaging service would help as well for all Androids shipped.
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It’s the other way around. Everyone needs Apple. Because if Apple said we support RCS then every single carrier will get on board right away. Apple just doesn’t have time to solve everyone’s messaging problems right now because they are clearly the only ones who have done it right. Apple will save you once they switch to USB C.
@@mellywonka_ What if iPhones went portless which is the more probable thing? And RCS will never see wide adoption as Whatsapp is already very popular and is superior to RCS. So Apple will never in a million years support RCS.
I think the social repercussions are less of a problem than they used to be. I'm a 19 year old who got out of high school a little under a year ago. Apps like Snapchat and Instagram have taken over the group chat and texting space. There's not a lot of people using the default messaging apps anymore (I only use it to text my parents) so I never felt left out for using Androids. I think these social standards apply to a very specific age group, that's a little younger than Marques, but a little older than me. I have noticed on social media that college seniors seem to care about the green bubble a lot, so that might be the age group in question.
Living in Asia, I genuinely had no idea that Apple had that control. I used to wonder why people would get so excited over updates to iMessage, or FaceTime. For me, I just have a bunch of messaging apps just to message different people.
Android should just use only RCS forcing Apple to adapt it or just not be able to text between android and ios
Best part of your whole class having iPhones is the group chats and being able to airdrop test answers to everyone right before the test starts 😂
It's important to understand that in the US you have included SMS in almost all plans. That is not the norm abroad. That is why we tend to use WhatsApp or other messaging apps to avoid fees.
It's not just that, even if SMS went free abroad, SMS sucks.. It doesn't use WiFi, No sent confirmation, no Read receipts.. If the other person's phone is off, the text just can't be sent and you have to wait for them to turn it on, no encryption, no HD videos or HD photos.. It's horrible overall...
I’m British and I don’t text people AT ALL. If people say the phrase “I’ll send you a text”, what they’ll mean is a message via Instagram, Snapchat, WhatsApp or Messenger. They do not mean a text. People go around saying “what’s your snap?” Or “what’s your Instagram?”. The stereotypical “can I get your number?” Phrase is just not uttered. So android and iPhone debates never result to the blue and Green message thing, and is only ever down to price and features. Such an interesting thing to observe overseas !!
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