I just got this brand and model about three weeks ago and I am amazed. As a first time hearing aid user, I’m just getting over the overwhelming phase of hearing things I hadn’t heard in a bunch of years, but I love them. The ease of wearing and use is fantastic. The charger box that came with mine has a cover and a removable usbC cable. I haven’t heard the sound dithering anomaly yet, but I imagine it will be eclipsed by the pluses that have improved my life. I don’t really mind switching between phone and iPad.
Another excellent and realistic review which has been well thought out with practical comments. Also great to have a comparison video as so many hearing aid reviews focus on one make and model at a time which does not contrast the 'relative' pros and cons.
But as you pointed out, both are fantastic HA’s. I have the Oticon More 1’s and I am currently wearing, and considering, the Phonak Lumity Life 90’s. And I 100% agree that HA’s are subjective to the wearer. While I like the Bluetooth multi device connectivity of the Phonak, I find I prefer an MFI device, and LOVE having a Apple Watch computation right on my watches Home Screen. That in and of itself is almost a deal breaker for me. The simplicity to make program / volume adjustments without pulling out my phone is worth the price of admission. But great review. Love these side by side reviews. Keep it up 👍
Hey man, I’m stoked I found your channel. I’m going through the same process right now at the age of 28. Also a musician and producer that unfortunately wrecked my hearing and have moderate loss. I align almost identically aligned with your review completely. To hear your comparison between the phonak 90r’s and the reals as I’ve experienced both too made me feel a lot less crazy about not liking the oticons. The app for Oticon is by FAR better. Not even a comparison and agree with the connectivity of MFI. Almost to the point of annoyance when I tried to use my phone speaker. Comfort I also agree with, they’re not noticeable at all wearing them. The worble you describe is a super great term for what I’ve been trying to describe it as. I thought it sounded “phasey.” But it’s really bothered me playing and listening to music. I noticed in some cases it makes it sound out of tune like it’s cutting out certain harmonics which is odd. But is by far the biggest downside to me. I’m curious if you felt like the oticons didn’t suppress background sounds as well? I’ve really struggled hearing with them in comparison to the Phonaks. Overall though great review and comparison. Definitely earned a follow. Edit: I just realized this isn’t a channel by nick, but it’s super nice to see someone younger review these products and in such a great and concise manner. I hope this dude continues to be the poster child for your younger reviewers.
Thanks. Nice review from an Apple perspective, though as a Pixel 5A owner, I'd love to see reviews by other android users. I currently use Costco's KS 10.0 HA that is technically a Phonak HA. I love having the tap feature for phone calls on my HAs vs fiddling around to locate and press the button. Therefore, unlike you, I believe the tap feature truly is "a game changer". I just demo'ed the Real today and agree that the sound quality is exceptional when compared to my KS 10.0s. This was also my experience several years ago when I demo'ed the Oticon More vs a comparable Phonak HA (Paradise???). While I much preferred the More's sound quality to the Phonak's, I couldn't justify their high cost because there was essentially no Android support at the time. Unfortunately, it seems little has changed for android owners who are considering Oticon. While Pixel models above and below my Pixel 5a, it is listed as 'not yet tested' on Oticon's android device list so my audiologist tried pairing it with the Real. While the left HA paired, the right HA would not, which my audiologist couldn't explain and said she'd have to ask the Oticon rep about. Since Oticon apparently does not provide much useful online info to help android owners decide if the their otherwise quality HA might be a decent match for their phones, thinking about switching to the Oticon remains a "buyer beware conundrum". (Oticon, are you listening?)
The warble you mention may be the Feedback Optimiser. Oticon have put in a low setting alongside Off and Normal because of this issue. For me, so far, the low setting has eliminated the flutter/ warbling. I wear Oticon Real MiniRITEs with 105 power receivers.
I have new Real Oticon hearing aids & an iPhone 14 pro max. when listening to Audible or You Tube, the sound switches back & forth to one hearing aid at a time, usually the hearing aid nearer the phone. The other hearing aid has some amount of static. Sometimes I can hear both simultaniously if I don't turn my head. Also, sometimes, my telephone calls are difficult to hear even with iPhone volumne all the way up.
I had this problem as well. I thought it was the hearing aids. Went back to the audiologists office three times, labeled a “problem child” I finally googled and followed an excellent RUclips on the Oticon Comparison app, ran the iOS 14.2.1 update, disabled all headphone options, problem solved. I hope this helps. Because you are truly being cheated. BTW my husband’s IT crew helped more than the hearing clinic!!
Looks like you didn't get to see the larger charger/battery. It's extra $$, but worth every penny, IMO. It has a cover, and since it's a battery, it can hold over 3 days charge, so it's great for traveling. A little heavier than the one that has to be plugged in, that you have, but I'll take it. Also, it has a USB-C port, so I just plug it in during the day then unplug it at night, drop in the hearing aids, and use the cable to charge my iPad overnight. The new Oticon Companion app seems to have some issues with the new iOS 17 on the iPhone, and I'm still iffy about the devices' Bluetooth strength (it doesn't seem very strong to me, just like my last Oticons). But when everything is working, I love the ability to change settings, and *really* love the new Sound Equalizer tool, which allows me to lower or increase the volume in the low, mid, or high range manually.
I listened to Nick now on 3 different HAs (Starkey AI, Phonak Lumity, Oticon Real). Would be wonderful to which one he went with. It seems he uses/goes with the Phonak Lumity in the Starkey video... which I think is the latest video.
I have the Real 1 CROS version. I notice no directional voice enhancement capability when using the Speech in Noise program. Is that because CROS doesn't support it or is it because my audiologist hasn't programmed it correctly?
I would call the hearing aid manufacturer before ordering from zip hearing. If the manufacturer does not recognize them as an authorized dealer you will have warranty trouble down the road. Call the hearing aid manufacturer before ordering.
Great advice that should be taken any time you are considering working with *any online hearing aid retailer. ZipHearing is an authorized Oticon retailer and Oticon devices ordered through us come with a full 3 year warranty
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the hand,ling and wind noise features on these hearing aids. Oticon touts them both highly. Otherwise, great review Nick. Thanks.
Great review! 100% I have the Oticon More 1's and the Phonak Lumity 90's and hands down Oticon wins. I have only 1 setting left in the Phonak windscreen software and is one very big reason that these be returned and look at the Oticon Real or the Starkey Genisis Ai.
Testing the Real 1 at the moment. Disappointed by the wind and handling noise cancellation. Just marketing BS from Oticon as far as I’m concerned. Will return them after the test.
@@ericpeeters946 I trialed the Oticon More 1s when they were first released. I really was impressed with the wind noise reduction they provided, but the connectivity issues kept me from keeping them.
Hi : A week ago I was at the audiologist office and after a number of tests, she prescribed me a pair of hearing aids with a quote of $4800, which will be fitted on me a week later. Later at home, I Googled and found the online price of exactly the same hearing aids to be $3200. Is this normal, or am I getting scammed? Is the $1600 difference quite customary and necessary to cover the service to be provided by the audiologist in the weeks/months afterwards?
Great video. Which do you think is best for hearing in background noise: Oticon Real 1 or Phonak 90? Also, is the Oticon Real 1 significantly better for hearing background noise than the Oticon Own?
As for the first question, just find a provider that will let you try both...we can :) ziphearing.com. As for the second question...Real 1, definitely.
Hey Nick. Do you do comparison Oticon Real vs Starkey Genesis AI head to head? Starkey seems very cutting edge. I want to know how Oticon vs Starkey performs.
Hey there! I cannot speak to a personal experience with how they would compare for profound hearing loss because i do not have that kind of loss. However, the Oticon Real are able to be utilized by individuals with a profound loss.
Why is it that there is such a secrecy to cost in the hearing aid world? And it's not just this brand. It seems "scammie" the way they all seem to not want to discuss it. How much are the Oticon's in this review please?
Depends on the exact model, but for the one in the video (the best version of Oticon Real), they are $4800 for the pair, at least through ZipHearing. More on this model here : www.ziphearing.com/oticon-real?
@@Ziphearing Thank you for the prompt response. I'm currently testing the Opticon Real 1 for 45 days. But in my locaton in New Mexico they are $7,900. Thank you, you have saved me a ton of money.
Yes, it does and it is a great charger. It is the smart charger and so much better than the charger reviewed in this video. I have had it since March, came with the REALs. Love it!
I would love to have someone explain how a HA using AI can magically distinguish noise from a voice. To a HA it’s all just frequencies. Sure algorithms look for patterns but we all know that doesn’t work, especially in noisy environments. I believe that AI requires feedback (positive, negative or both) to “learn”. There is no feedback from a human to the HA. This just seems like more marketing BS. Does this guy believe these HAs are better….probably, but maybe because of bias. When you spend $6k you want and believe they are better. All sorts of studies done on this effect.
“I believe that AI requires feedback (positive, negative or both) to “learn”. There is no feedback from a human to the HA.” That is done during labeling phase of training the model, where, you are correct, humans are required to help train the model on whether or not it has accurately identified particular sounds. You are correct, the end wearer isn’t providing feedback to the aid that it’s learning from.
![Nick's Phonak Audéo Lumity 90 R Review [Real User]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MGwvoXmZFk0/mqdefault.jpg)
Learn more about Oticon Real here:
www.ziphearing.com/oticon-real?
I just got this brand and model about three weeks ago and I am amazed. As a first time hearing aid user, I’m just getting over the overwhelming phase of hearing things I hadn’t heard in a bunch of years, but I love them. The ease of wearing and use is fantastic. The charger box that came with mine has a cover and a removable usbC cable. I haven’t heard the sound dithering anomaly yet, but I imagine it will be eclipsed by the pluses that have improved my life. I don’t really mind switching between phone and iPad.
Another excellent and realistic review which has been well thought out with practical comments. Also great to have a comparison video as so many hearing aid reviews focus on one make and model at a time which does not contrast the 'relative' pros and cons.
But as you pointed out, both are fantastic HA’s. I have the Oticon More 1’s and I am currently wearing, and considering, the Phonak Lumity Life 90’s. And I 100% agree that HA’s are subjective to the wearer. While I like the Bluetooth multi device connectivity of the Phonak, I find I prefer an MFI device, and LOVE having a Apple Watch computation right on my watches Home Screen. That in and of itself is almost a deal breaker for me. The simplicity to make program / volume adjustments without pulling out my phone is worth the price of admission.
But great review. Love these side by side reviews. Keep it up 👍
Hey man, I’m stoked I found your channel.
I’m going through the same process right now at the age of 28. Also a musician and producer that unfortunately wrecked my hearing and have moderate loss.
I align almost identically aligned with your review completely. To hear your comparison between the phonak 90r’s and the reals as I’ve experienced both too made me feel a lot less crazy about not liking the oticons.
The app for Oticon is by FAR better. Not even a comparison and agree with the connectivity of MFI. Almost to the point of annoyance when I tried to use my phone speaker.
Comfort I also agree with, they’re not noticeable at all wearing them.
The worble you describe is a super great term for what I’ve been trying to describe it as. I thought it sounded “phasey.” But it’s really bothered me playing and listening to music. I noticed in some cases it makes it sound out of tune like it’s cutting out certain harmonics which is odd. But is by far the biggest downside to me.
I’m curious if you felt like the oticons didn’t suppress background sounds as well? I’ve really struggled hearing with them in comparison to the Phonaks.
Overall though great review and comparison. Definitely earned a follow.
Edit: I just realized this isn’t a channel by nick, but it’s super nice to see someone younger review these products and in such a great and concise manner.
I hope this dude continues to be the poster child for your younger reviewers.
Thanks. Nice review from an Apple perspective, though as a Pixel 5A owner, I'd love to see reviews by other android users. I currently use Costco's KS 10.0 HA that is technically a Phonak HA. I love having the tap feature for phone calls on my HAs vs fiddling around to locate and press the button. Therefore, unlike you, I believe the tap feature truly is "a game changer".
I just demo'ed the Real today and agree that the sound quality is exceptional when compared to my KS 10.0s. This was also my experience several years ago when I demo'ed the Oticon More vs a comparable Phonak HA (Paradise???). While I much preferred the More's sound quality to the Phonak's, I couldn't justify their high cost because there was essentially no Android support at the time.
Unfortunately, it seems little has changed for android owners who are considering Oticon. While Pixel models above and below my Pixel 5a, it is listed as 'not yet tested' on Oticon's android device list so my audiologist tried pairing it with the Real. While the left HA paired, the right HA would not, which my audiologist couldn't explain and said she'd have to ask the Oticon rep about.
Since Oticon apparently does not provide much useful online info to help android owners decide if the their otherwise quality HA might be a decent match for their phones, thinking about switching to the Oticon remains a "buyer beware conundrum". (Oticon, are you listening?)
The warble you mention may be the Feedback Optimiser. Oticon have put in a low setting alongside Off and Normal because of this issue. For me, so far, the low setting has eliminated the flutter/ warbling. I wear Oticon Real MiniRITEs with 105 power receivers.
Great review. I’ve got the same experience with Otico Real. Best I ever tried
Thanks! Lots more Oticon Real reviews here if you're interested: www.ziphearing.com/oticon-real?
I have new Real Oticon hearing aids & an iPhone 14 pro max. when listening to Audible or You Tube, the sound switches back & forth to one hearing aid at a time, usually the hearing aid nearer the phone. The other hearing aid has some amount of static. Sometimes I can hear both simultaniously if I don't turn my head. Also, sometimes, my telephone calls are difficult to hear even with iPhone volumne all the way up.
I had this problem as well. I thought it was the hearing aids. Went back to the audiologists office three times, labeled a “problem child” I finally googled and followed an excellent RUclips on the Oticon Comparison app, ran the iOS 14.2.1 update, disabled all headphone options, problem solved. I hope this helps. Because you are truly being cheated. BTW my husband’s IT crew helped more than the hearing clinic!!
Looks like you didn't get to see the larger charger/battery. It's extra $$, but worth every penny, IMO. It has a cover, and since it's a battery, it can hold over 3 days charge, so it's great for traveling. A little heavier than the one that has to be plugged in, that you have, but I'll take it. Also, it has a USB-C port, so I just plug it in during the day then unplug it at night, drop in the hearing aids, and use the cable to charge my iPad overnight. The new Oticon Companion app seems to have some issues with the new iOS 17 on the iPhone, and I'm still iffy about the devices' Bluetooth strength (it doesn't seem very strong to me, just like my last Oticons). But when everything is working, I love the ability to change settings, and *really* love the new Sound Equalizer tool, which allows me to lower or increase the volume in the low, mid, or high range manually.
Whoops - just saw you found out about the smart charger. Never mind!
I listened to Nick now on 3 different HAs (Starkey AI, Phonak Lumity, Oticon Real). Would be wonderful to which one he went with. It seems he uses/goes with the Phonak Lumity in the Starkey video... which I think is the latest video.
He did, you are correct :)
I have the Real 1 CROS version. I notice no directional voice enhancement capability when using the Speech in Noise program. Is that because CROS doesn't support it or is it because my audiologist hasn't programmed it correctly?
I would call the hearing aid manufacturer before ordering from zip hearing. If the manufacturer does not recognize them as an authorized dealer you will have warranty trouble down the road. Call the hearing aid manufacturer before ordering.
Great advice that should be taken any time you are considering working with *any online hearing aid retailer. ZipHearing is an authorized Oticon retailer and Oticon devices ordered through us come with a full 3 year warranty
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the hand,ling and wind noise features on these hearing aids. Oticon touts them both highly. Otherwise, great review Nick. Thanks.
Great review! 100% I have the Oticon More 1's and the Phonak Lumity 90's and hands down Oticon wins. I have only 1 setting left in the Phonak windscreen software and is one very big reason that these be returned and look at the Oticon Real or the Starkey Genisis Ai.
@@TheKurtLyon I just got the Starkey Genesis AI ITE devices and the wind noise function is dismal. No better than the Phonak Lumity 90s.
@@watermain48 thanks
Testing the Real 1 at the moment. Disappointed by the wind and handling noise cancellation. Just marketing BS from Oticon as far as I’m concerned. Will return them after the test.
@@ericpeeters946 I trialed the Oticon More 1s when they were first released. I really was impressed with the wind noise reduction they provided, but the connectivity issues kept me from keeping them.
Hi : A week ago I was at the audiologist office and after a number of tests, she prescribed me a pair of hearing aids with a quote of $4800, which will be fitted on me a week later. Later at home, I Googled and found the online price of exactly the same hearing aids to be $3200. Is this normal, or am I getting scammed?
Is the $1600 difference quite customary and necessary to cover the service to be provided by the audiologist in the weeks/months afterwards?
Great video. Which do you think is best for hearing in background noise: Oticon Real 1 or Phonak 90? Also, is the Oticon Real 1 significantly better for hearing background noise than the Oticon Own?
As for the first question, just find a provider that will let you try both...we can :) ziphearing.com. As for the second question...Real 1, definitely.
I have the Oticon More but …I want these .I don’t like anything streamed through my hearing AIDS though
Hey Nick. Do you do comparison Oticon Real vs Starkey Genesis AI head to head? Starkey seems very cutting edge. I want to know how Oticon vs Starkey performs.
Here is Nick's Starkey Genesis review: ruclips.net/video/RQCySS_l4iY/видео.html
how does the amplication compaired to phonak HA'S (for profound deaf)?
will these work with android?
Hey there! I cannot speak to a personal experience with how they would compare for profound hearing loss because i do not have that kind of loss. However, the Oticon Real are able to be utilized by individuals with a profound loss.
Everytime i try and connect to the app with my oticon real 1 it keeps
Saying not compatible??
Why is it that there is such a secrecy to cost in the hearing aid world? And it's not just this brand. It seems "scammie" the way they all seem to not want to discuss it. How much are the Oticon's in this review please?
Depends on the exact model, but for the one in the video (the best version of Oticon Real), they are $4800 for the pair, at least through ZipHearing. More on this model here : www.ziphearing.com/oticon-real?
@@Ziphearing Thank you for the prompt response. I'm currently testing the Opticon Real 1 for 45 days. But in my locaton in New Mexico they are $7,900. Thank you, you have saved me a ton of money.
Are these Hearing Aids recommended for someone with Sensorineural hearing loss?
Yes in fact most wearers that use Oticon Real have that type of loss
Oticon has a smart charger which closes
Yes, it does and it is a great charger. It is the smart charger and so much better than the charger reviewed in this video. I have had it since March, came with the REALs. Love it!
Does anyone have the high frequency issue of losing the consonants S/F/X/V? If so, can this aid help?
Certainly helped with it for me!
@@nopenadanowaynohow Thank you so much!!
I would love to have someone explain how a HA using AI can magically distinguish noise from a voice. To a HA it’s all just frequencies. Sure algorithms look for patterns but we all know that doesn’t work, especially in noisy environments. I believe that AI requires feedback (positive, negative or both) to “learn”. There is no feedback from a human to the HA. This just seems like more marketing BS.
Does this guy believe these HAs are better….probably, but maybe because of bias. When you spend $6k you want and believe they are better. All sorts of studies done on this effect.
“I believe that AI requires feedback (positive, negative or both) to “learn”. There is no feedback from a human to the HA.” That is done during labeling phase of training the model, where, you are correct, humans are required to help train the model on whether or not it has accurately identified particular sounds. You are correct, the end wearer isn’t providing feedback to the aid that it’s learning from.
I have worn HAs for many years and I find the speech in noise programs are marketing hype.
I read somewhere that the oticon HA do not get smarter.