Decayed Knight well your suspicion would be wrong, I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions no matter what. And I’m not saying their whole reputation should be tarnished, I’m saying that they shouldn’t be able to just get away with their actions and have them swept under the rug
Decayed Knight well mr fancy words to look cool woke up on the wrong side of the bed jeez also slavery is nothing to feel ‘remorse’ for people who did it also are you an Idiot they are literally just quoting what John said in the game
@@Dorkeydaze very flawed logic comparing American slavery to the slavery of over a thousand years ago. If we’re using first millennia logic how about bringing back feudalism while we’re at it? Also, there should not have been such a dependency on slavery in the first place. there are many ways The South could have generated meaningful income and influence on global economics without slavery (Oil, commerce, industrialization, etc). And this is only concerning economics. Morally, slavery is wrong on many different levels, especially the ideas that America was FOUNDED on; liberty, freedom, and self determination among others. Not much liberty to be found on a plantation is there? Clear hypocrisy for a patriot to justify slavery.
@@Dorkeydaze do you really think anybody can be bothered reading that bullshit? Its the 21st century whether you like it or not and thats in the past. You're justifying slavery.
@captain Edward john Smith you are right, but it would be cool anyways to have it and to use it if you want, even that to reload it takes to much time in a battle and like you said, you would be dead before you can reload :)
I actually acquired the quest as Arthur but I first finished it as John, so I went back as Arthur and when Jeremiah was on the ground I shot him and he fell in the fire as he burned a musical sting played as a sort of song of justice. It was great
This man wasn't a bad person his family wasn't either they were only making the best of a situation ..slavery was profitable and built wealth ..my family history was similar
@@glopsnopper3806 how am I wrong for taking pride in my ancestors and what they fought for? My people have rebelled for thousands of years all the way back to being Gauls
yes, I was gonna say that. It feels more right as Arthur because at the time he shares a camp with all manner of folk from Irish to Black to Mexican. While I'm not saying John doesn't care about or remember his past and his friends, he's not with them now and while he isn't a racist son of a bitch the gang is in the past now
It just felt more right playing that mission as arthur bc he had a real strong bond with lenny. And both lenny and jenny were open to him about the racism they received as black folks in the south and he showed sympathy to both of them. Theres a secret dialogue in camp at clements point where jenny walks up to arthur and tells her she feels really unsafe about camping in the south bc she was a “negro woman” and arthur promised her he would keep her safe from any racist bastard. So it fills with more joy to see arthur stick to his words.
SeanFrame180 maybe it’s his mistress? Historically speaking, plantation owners used female slaves for...naughty things. Hell, a decent amount of black people in the states are related to Thomas Jefferson because of this.
due to my record clownery, I didn't read the ledger when I did this mission. Once I finished the mission I looked it up and continued like I wasn't a fool. Thankfully I've got this video to show me what I've missed til I can revisit it in my next playthrough.
i didn't read the ledger either. like 2 days ago on a new playthrough i finally read it and was shocked. i didn't even take a second look at the basement where you can clearly see shackles so i was very confused the first time when arthur threw his things in the fire.
Just after I shot the old man, and I mean JUST after I shot him, a wind kicked up and blew through the camp, spooking the horses, both mine and Mr. Compton's. Really odd. It felt like the ghosts of the past where having their say. Whether good or bad, I couldn't say. Gave me chills. Also, the burned down stable/shed in the back of the house is the stable/shed that Uncle, Arthur and Charles get pinned down in during Uncle's companion mission An Honest Mistake.
This stranger quest line really spoke to me about some of the lessons to take away from this game. I remember when I first did this I was pissed off at the lack of remorse from this man for what he had done. Just imagine all the pain and suffering he caused to others but in the end he only cared about his legacy, it's disgusting. But as I left him there crying over the only earthly possessions he had left, I couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for him in a way despite his evil deeds. I feel like this quest somewhat mirrored the gangs moral crusade against the rapidly developing industrialization and changing of society of america out west. Ultimately that crusade was futile. Time moved on regardless of how hard they fought it, just as it did with Jeremiah. It goes to show that society will evolve with or without you and if you are not ready to evolve with it, then you'll just be left behind and forgotten about. A somber tone to be sure but it fits this game perfectly.
@@ibracadabraasaansj2501 it makes you feel sympathy at the current moment for the complicated character. Having every character written as purely evil/purely good would get old fast, having complicated characters adds depth and makes them more interesting as to why they act that way. See also Arthur Morgan and John Marston known murderers and thieves.
@@IamtheDesperado There's nothing complicated or nuanced about him though. He was a slave foreman who "took pride in his work." He, like the real post slavery south was so dug into a singular existence that he fell into self made ruin. He contributed to an abhorrent system and wants to come back. Watching the last remnants of his "glory day" burn before getting domed is just desserts.
Compson is the surname of the slaver in Faulkner’s Absolom, Absolom!, and his descendants in The Sound and Fury. Definitely not a coincidence. The house in RDR2 matched the house in my mind from Sound and Fury. Great side mission, even if it doesn’t tie out perfectly to Faulkner’s world. I kinda wish it did though.
If we’re talking about literary references, the notice on Compson’s front door is from Judge Holden, who is the antagonist of Blood Meridian by Cormac Mccarthy. McCarthy is very heavily influenced by Faulkner, so I bet whoever wrote this mission knew what they were doing.
As someone who’s actually lived in the south their whole life (Alabama, in case you’re wondering), this mission was a big shock to me. Reading the letters was almost heartwarming to me, as it’s similar to the stories my granddad would tell me of our ancestors, and gave me a lot of nostalgia. It didn’t occur to me that the Compsons were slave owners until I found the ledger, and I realized that many of us in the south, especially amongst the older generations, still look upon the antebellum period in a positive way. I feel a bit… unsettled by this, as it’s a hard realization to grapple with. All those stories, built upon the sad and despicable foundation of slavery. I’m honestly surprised I didn’t kill Jeremiah, but I suppose I felt a worse fate would be to let him wallow in his misery.
As a northerner who has studied history and has learned not to judge people of the past through the lens of modern morality, I have mixed feelings about this mission. The natural reaction from most people today is to look at slave owners, traders, and catchers with contempt, and possibly to view their accomplishments as fruits of a poisonous tree. But to truly understand history, one must understand the ideals of the people who lived through it. To the antebellum south, slavery was not evil, but merely a fact of life. They weren’t monsters, just people trying to live in a harsher world, upholding values that were taught to them by their own parents and grandparents. They didn’t see black people as actual people, because throughout their whole lives, they were taught not to see them as such. Compson views his former life with fondness because, at the time, he was respected and admired. But as the war ended, and his job was outlawed, he became bitter and resentful of his lot in life, and instead of transitioning to a job that could have made use of his skillset, like bounty hunting or even just hunting, he tried to work at a railroad company, where I assume he would go on and on about how he was cheated out of a good life, and was eventually forced out. In the context of the time this game took place, I think it might have been excessive for a someone like him to be shunned from society the way he seems to have been, but how much of it was societal pressure and how much of it was his own attitude isn’t truly explored. And as for Arthur/John’s response to learning the truth, keep in mind that both of them were raised by Dutch, a man who lost his father to the Confederate army during the Battle of Gettysburg, and has a very anarchistic, libertarian worldview. Both were instilled with what could be described as “progressive” views on race. So their treatment of Compson after learning the truth is informed by that upbringing. Whether they are justified, both in their words and whether they kill Compson or leave him be, is I think worth debating. As for yourself, Hammerhead, if the knowledge of what your ancestors did for a living fills you with shame, try to remember that, by their standards, they were just people living their own lives, pursuing happiness and prosperity in ways that they were taught to. And even if part of what they did was evil as we now see it, that’s not a reflection on you. Let the past inform your future, but don’t hold the people back then to the standards of today.
@@Kwatcher100 At the time slavery was already very unpopular and any way you look at it slave hunting was evil. Hunting down your fellow human beings and selling them back into slavery is despicable and Compson deserves every last bit of karma that hit him, especially since he doesn't even feel remorse over it
@@Kwatcher100 certain things are morally wrong, regardless of the time period. Murder and rape are objectively bad no matter what century you’re in. Same with slavery. ESPECIALLY when it’s founded upon a persons race
@@Kwatcher100 even with the narrative of “slavery was more acceptable back then” that’s not quite true. It was condemned by many people of the time as an evil act. It was perpetuated by large plantation owners and businessmen. I think it could be compared to modern predatory business practices, they do things that are pretty evil in their own right but we tend to just accept these things as a fact of life and our current system. While there are many systems and people upholding these groups that do these things. Really the civil war was just the poor fighting a rich man’s war. A war over the right to own a human being, something that never should have been allowed to become so integrated into society and have been allowed to happen.
When I did this it was storming and and I went to leave and shoot him but he got struck by lightning and all I though was "looks like god did what I was gonna do"
Fischer Sauls empathy’s natural, It’s okay to feel for where he’s currently at, it sucks his life is terrible, but he put himself there and that must be remembered to. . R* playing with our emotions, very interesting mission for sure
@@Kuzan24 and if you look at it deep it seems like rock stars trying to point out that the slave Hunter is no different from John or Arthur Morgan. They both live in a time when no one wants them anymore. If you play as Arthur Morgan it seems like at the end of the cutscene he realizes he's a hypocrite because he too cannot stand on the moral High Ground because how many innocent people has he killed and how many lives has he ruined dislike the slave Hunter. I don't know it just seems like that's what Rockstar was trying to point out in this Mission between the two.
I felt the same way, nobody deserves being kept alive just to see their world and everyone they loved crumble, even scumbags like him. Arthur put it best when he said “revenge is a fool’s game,” and quite frankly the fact that nobody put him out of his misery sooner is cruel revenge torture in itself. Still a shame that he tried clinging onto that past of “honor” that he had rather than learning his lesson though
Ngl I kinda feel for his sense of lost but not for his reason of feeling that way. He deserved everything he got. All I can say is that I hope he sees the errors of his ways in the afterlife. If he even gets that chance.
Leaving aside the cruelty of his original profession and its moral implications - the job he got after the war was a good one. Railways were a growth industry in the 19th century, plenty of opportunity for advancement and staking a comfortable place for yourself in society. Everything we see of him, and learn of his past, suggest he is the architect of his own misfortunes, in every respect.
@@sergeantmajorgross4461 I'm confused by your comment, since the letter we find in the mission implies he was dismissed for belligerence towards passengers and colleagues. This connects with what we see of his alcoholism and abrasive personality in our interactions with him - presumably the same thing which alienated his son. Where are you getting that the circumstances of his birth cost him his position at the railroad?
My thoughts exactly. Historical events, even fictional ones, should be viewed in the context of the morals and values of the time period they occurred in. Judging people and cultures like Mr. Compson by modern standards will lead to very skewed perceptions. Given the moral standards of the time period he’s from, it would be rather unfair and unreasonable to deny him employment simply because he used to be a slave catcher. Refusing to move on, and taking his bitterness out on others, is what led to his destitution. He had the perfect chance to adapt to the times, if not for his own sake, then the sake of his family. But instead, he choose to wallow in his misery, and it cost him everything.
part of me thinks theres a strange part of youtube that just puts fake dislikes on videos....idk y tho but i just dont like the thought of someone who goes around disliking vids they havent even watched existing
When I originally did this, I never opened the ledger, and I didn’t pick up that he was a slave catcher, so when Arthur through the ledger into the fire I was like “what? Why did you do that?” But now, yeah I can see why he did that
Same. I read everything in that house and explored the whole place so I felt bad for him but the ledger was the only thing I didn’t read (I don’t know if I forgot or got distracted) so I was confused when Arthur burned his stuff. The basement was sorta creepy though, the music especially made me feel like something was wrong.
@@TheSoldierChristian at this point in his life, he's too busy drinking away his problems and wishing for the "glory days" to come back to do anything dumb like that lol
Jeremiah's arguably worse than a slaver, he was a slave _catcher_; the people the slave owners hired to catch runaways that slipped off the plantations. It's why the colonel in one of the letters thanks Jeremiah or whoever for returning his "property."
The inventory icon for the pistol appears to be an 1848 Colt Dragoon, which would've made more sense for the time period Jeremiah operated in. I think it was originally going to be an old cap and ball Colt, but they changed it to a caplock conversion and never recorded new voice lines.
@@thebiggestofchungi3538, it would've been very old. The one we see is actually an 1830s caplock conversion of a flintlock. It makes would make much more sense for him to have been using a cap and ball revolver, as they had been around for decades by 1855.
Could’ve potentially been an acting mistake, since the pistol things they use in mocap are usually just models that don’t look like the guns themselves, and given that 90% of the people in this game use revolvers they would likely have just adlibbed it. There’s my gigantic wall of text guess.
I just played this stranger encounter the other night, and I love the way how red dead introduces it, how the story for it progresses- you see the family, their friends and then their legacy. (Kinda I guess lmao) The music that played throughout the house was beautiful and played with my emotions as well
The line at the end where he says "I still exist" is more of a stab at a biting social commentary I think, because people like him or in the spirit of him, do in fact, still exist. Edit: I killed him with a tomahawk to the skull personally.
I played this side mission at night that the two men scared the crap out of me and makes everything so eerie. But I threw a tomahawk at him and felt better
I walked away and left him alive. Felt sorry for the poor man. He was a product of his time and unable to realize the truth about the horrible things he did. But losing everything and being homeless is punishment enough.
When i first played this mission I didn’t know what to do, but when I did I chose to walk away. I then checked reddit to see what choices people made, some were violent and some did my choice. Either way you get Honor but the point is would you choose to kill him to put him out of his misery? maybe kill him out of disgust? Or give him a fate worse than death.
It would be interesting that if you killed him at the end, you could grab his broken cap lock pistol. Then maybe you could go to the gunsmith, and have them fix it up for a price? I’m not quite sure how to handle getting caps and balls to shoot it though.
That would be cool. But it would only be a one shot weapon. I assume that John or Arthur don't need it, because they wouldn't know how to handle it, or take care of it.
I honestly like the way Jeremiah Thompson's voice sounds. When he's the one that reads the letters it just seems more genuine. You get all sad and somber and feel bad for the man until you realize what it is he lost.
Fun bit. If you shoot him straight on, he falls forward into the fire himself. Only wish I had a bottle of whiskey for Arthur to fill up the tank to piss on the man. I kinda prefer Arthur’s dialogue as it just feels more pained, almost like he sees that he’s fallen like Jeremiah and realizes that he’s looking at what he could become.
i think jeremiah picking up the gun in the fire is an easter egg to Red Dead Revolver, at the beginning of the game Red Harlow picks up his dads gun from a fire and scars his hand
Had a few ideas for vids I'd like to see you do, one of them is documenting the path of destruction carried out by the Van der Linde Gang from Blackwater to Beaver Hollow.
If you go just outside the house there is a well if you climb down the well there is a large amount of tallies on the wall presumably he kept people down there
You can also find a well outside the house. With markings of weeks and coins on the bottom. Which means he used to throw slaves down there and throw coin at them.
Naw, it makes sense. At its core, he's a broken man who wants to be held in high esteem like he did before. Ultimately, he was a "hero" who then got pissed on. Its natural to feel bad for him, because its how empathy works.
Slaves were well-treated prior to the civil war. They were fed, given fine clothes and a roof and bed. Slaves in america had finer clothes than the majority of modern "free" americans, owned by thr bank.
I did this side mission with Arthur, and it actually wouldn't allow me to kill him. I tried, but when I pressed the left trigger button to lock onto him, I would just bring up the interaction mini-menu. Even when I tried to manually aim my gun at him, the sight-dot would become transparent and it didn't allow me to fire the weapon when my sights were over him.
I didn't kill him. He drove his own family away and now lives in squalor holding onto to remnants of his squandered legacy. I didn't feel any profound sense of justice, I just felt...sad.
Somehow, even though I always play this as Arthur, this seems much more fitting as John. He's lived a bad life like compson and saw that's what he might've been like. Also the line at 9:23 was more fitting in John's perspective since like he said to Javier in rdr1, the gang's life didn't mean nothing and that it was just an excuse.
remember that shootout you do after uncles stage coach tip turns out to be cornwall payroll or whatever? you & the gang end up hiding out in the barn on compston stead, I'm assuming one of he squatters had answered the door when the pinkertons come looking for you but yeah, surprised you didn't mention that little factoid.
Losing existential purpose and material sense of connection to the world is shattering. But how many people did he shatter in the way of life he so missed? I'd have left him to suffer that, frankly. That was his choice. He convinced himself that he was some sort of gentleman. That lie is the entire source of his suffering in a post-slavery society. He suffers because he feels as though he does not exist outside of a slaver society. He is a truly pathetic man. In that regard, I understand your pity. Still, I can't help but picture a younger him, believing himself to be a good person and valuable member of society, all the while making all of those people's faces twist with anguish, fear, and resentment. And he learned nothing from it, not even in his dying breath. There is nothing that can change that. He chose that path, perhaps simply unable to face what he did. Or worse, genuinely believing that it was right. He only thought he understood suffering.
I never kill that guy. Thats too easy, especially since he cries out "I still exist". No, by letting him live, he will keep suffering in the time he got left, which he deserve.
It’s still pretty satisfying to throw a fire bottle on him, lasso him and drag him around on your horse, or feed him to alligators. I wish you could draw and quarter in this game
9:59 I really do wish that Fizhy spared Compson, leaving him to be wallowing in his own misery is much more satisfying then killing Compson because your giving the slave catcher a fate worse then death
Arthur's diary says that he (Arhtur) was the last thing that Compton saw in his life...However it says so after I killed Compton. Does the diary say anything different if you don't kill him an just leave without hurting him after confronting him and chucking his stuff into the campfire?
@@erikallen3804 Fair enough, but that seems to me to be a rather filigree distinction considering that I'm not writing a carefully formulated academic paper here, but instead am just tossing a question into the "forum" that is the comment section that came to my mind spontaneously as I was watching the clip. So naturally I did not weigh my words as I way typing but just wrote them down as they came to me. Still would be interested in whether the journal entry changes if you leave Compton without hurting him.
Even the worst person can change, if they just try. Compson didn't want to try, he just wanted his old job back. Personally, I think the better thing to do is to let him live, endlessly wallowing in self pity until either he picks himself back up, or he croaks
the dumbest thing about this is that when the squatters pull out a knife, for some reason arthurt/john also pulls out a knife instead of just shooting them in the head immediately lol
If you look at a note on the porch, you find that the judge who approved of the foreclosure is named "M. Holden." Not even _Red Dead Redemption 2_ is safe from him.
I did most of these quests as Arthur. It really brings depth and redemption to his character. But John is also a playable character, and the protagonist of rdr1. So I guess you either play Arthur as a respectable man at the end of his life, or play give a respectable origin story for John.
This house is in the story right before compsons side mission is available. You’re in a shoot out in the barn here with uncle Charles and bill doing a mission for uncle robbing a stage coach
When I first played this mission, it lately occurred to me that he was actually a slave catcher. Now on my 2nd playthrough, I burned him alive like a psycho that I am in GTA games, I burned him alive so that it feels like he is being dragged down by his own victims that he slaved on.
It's kind of funny seeing people say that they left him alive because they think it's a better punishment. I'm mad that I didn't think about hog tying him and him attaching him to a train track. I'm going to replay the game just to do that. I'm a black man. I'm pretty sure that 99% certain that of my people that played this game killed this guy without hesitation.
The line "some jobs ain't for saving, and some legacies, they're for pissing on" feels more appropriate for John IMO He left the life behind, and in 1911 he speaks of it in shame. He knows it's was all for nothing and it was just excuses. When he says it, he's experienced it
The icon inventory icon when you pick it up is a Colt 1851 Navy, so I'd hazard it *was* meant to be a revolver but was changed for for reason or another.
But did you notice how the slave Hunters is no different from Arthur Morgan or John. They live in a time and place where no one wants them anymore. They both killed innocent people and ruined families. not that different ones one another except one would call you the n-word. 🤔
@@traviscolkitt4955 Its an interesting theme as hypocrisy runs quite deep throughout the game. We hate the slave driver and Micah for being scumbags but if you think about it how are we any different the theme of fighting to stay relevant in an ever changing world was one I picked up on near the end. I played high honour but bearing the ending of chapter 5 when Dutch goes crazy it struck me how Dutch, Micah, John and Arthur are really no different the only exception is John and Arthur could see themselves for what they were and tried to change
@Pinkamena Pie I don't think it's propaganda as regardless of what happened to the man he refuses to see himself as in the wrong or feel what he did was morally reprehensible and on the topic of Arthur he doesn't start any of the fights in Rhodes or strawberry he mentions how repulsed he is by it on many occasions and later on you try and be a good man and fix your mistakes which is better than the slaver as he is content to sit by and blame society for his racism and ignorance and still claim his way of life has a right to exist when it doesnt
@Pinkamena Pie you gain honour for killing people who deserve killing these people are racists and disgusting people are you telling me if given the chance with no repurcussions you wouldn't kill a slaver or a racist extremist
He was evicted after He did not give enough information To cornwall's m'en about the location of Arthur Bill Uncle and Charles after that stage coach robbery in chapter three. I know this because the burt building is the same building that the gang hid in for a night.
Yeah, because the other contents of Compson's cellar (shackles, whips, the fact the Rhodes is based on the Confederate South) make it quite obvious how disgusting he is.
Also the home robbery you can do with Sean is extremely close to there too, as is the beginning of the sidequest "He's British, of Course" (the one where you find the animals for the traveling circus).
When I played this side mission for the first time I didn’t pay attention to what he was saying or his basement. I just thought he was a professor or something.
Missed opportunity for John to say ”Yes, many have” after Compson says ”Damn you!”
underrated comment!
Then he should try to kill him with his gun but it doesn’t work
This deserves WAY more comments
Leviticus Cornwall People don’t give two figs about what this comment deserves. Not Two figs!
It would make sense because John has been dammed by lots of people
“Some legacies? They’re for pissing on.”
Decayed Knight well your suspicion would be wrong, I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions no matter what. And I’m not saying their whole reputation should be tarnished, I’m saying that they shouldn’t be able to just get away with their actions and have them swept under the rug
Decayed Knight well mr fancy words to look cool woke up on the wrong side of the bed jeez also slavery is nothing to feel ‘remorse’ for people who did it also are you an Idiot they are literally just quoting what John said in the game
@@Dorkeydaze very flawed logic comparing American slavery to the slavery of over a thousand years ago. If we’re using first millennia logic how about bringing back feudalism while we’re at it? Also, there should not have been such a dependency on slavery in the first place. there are many ways The South could have generated meaningful income and influence on global economics without slavery (Oil, commerce, industrialization, etc).
And this is only concerning economics. Morally, slavery is wrong on many different levels, especially the ideas that America was FOUNDED on; liberty, freedom, and self determination among others. Not much liberty to be found on a plantation is there? Clear hypocrisy for a patriot to justify slavery.
@@Dorkeydaze well I guess it’s just too bad we live in the 21st century.
@@Dorkeydaze do you really think anybody can be bothered reading that bullshit? Its the 21st century whether you like it or not and thats in the past. You're justifying slavery.
I got pissed off when I found out I cant use the old pistol after I killed him 😭
ZEEzee same
@@notjimpickens7928 that's also why we used bricks
RobloxGaming 4K ah the war of 1812 good times for us in the North.
Zeezee - Same here, i was really pissed off, because this pistol looks nice
@captain Edward john Smith you are right, but it would be cool anyways to have it and to use it if you want, even that to reload it takes to much time in a battle and like you said, you would be dead before you can reload :)
I actually acquired the quest as Arthur but I first finished it as John, so I went back as Arthur and when Jeremiah was on the ground I shot him and he fell in the fire as he burned a musical sting played as a sort of song of justice. It was great
This man wasn't a bad person his family wasn't either they were only making the best of a situation ..slavery was profitable and built wealth ..my family history was similar
Chadwick MacArthur ur just sick 🤢
@@rappyvixen2266 why
@@chadwickmacarthur4760 said that with pride didn't you buddy? It's how everyone lived sure but it is still wrong you clown.
@@glopsnopper3806 how am I wrong for taking pride in my ancestors and what they fought for? My people have rebelled for thousands of years all the way back to being Gauls
For some reason this mission is better as Arthur
yes, I was gonna say that. It feels more right as Arthur because at the time he shares a camp with all manner of folk from Irish to Black to Mexican. While I'm not saying John doesn't care about or remember his past and his friends, he's not with them now and while he isn't a racist son of a bitch the gang is in the past now
It feels like something he would do. Also he sounds more badass when he says "some legacies deserve to be pissed on"
it feels more like something arthur would do to me
It just felt more right playing that mission as arthur bc he had a real strong bond with lenny. And both lenny and jenny were open to him about the racism they received as black folks in the south and he showed sympathy to both of them. Theres a secret dialogue in camp at clements point where jenny walks up to arthur and tells her she feels really unsafe about camping in the south bc she was a “negro woman” and arthur promised her he would keep her safe from any racist bastard. So it fills with more joy to see arthur stick to his words.
Every stranger mission feels better with Arthur
Damn, you waited until Marston was available for this side quest?? I did it as Arthur as soon as I could
I didn’t realize it was there till after I got to the epilogue
i didnt do much exploring either, i beat the epilogue earlier this month and now am doing more exploring before i get a ps3 and rdr1
@@tgirltouhouget an Xbox one x and play rdr1 there, much better looking and the multiplayer is still really active, consistent full lobbies in 2024
I like this side mission
great insight, my man
@@spaloogaloo3705 lol.
Honestly who doesn't
Yeah because i get to legally kill homeless people
How are you so wise in the ways of science?
The letter does not say his wife died. Betsy was a slave, her name can be seen written in the ledger.
SeanFrame180 maybe it’s his mistress? Historically speaking, plantation owners used female slaves for...naughty things. Hell, a decent amount of black people in the states are related to Thomas Jefferson because of this.
Not so fun fact: Some slave Women where used as....breading stock, by same of there masters. So Betsy may have been a 'lover'.
Frist Name Last Name Also there could have simply been two people named Betsy. One in the ledger and another one who he was married to.
@@terminallumbago6465 That too I guess. But it would explain why Betsy is in the ledger, and why Bill (in that latter) talking about her.
What skin colour were the slaves? I need to know? Were the slaves chinese?
due to my record clownery, I didn't read the ledger when I did this mission. Once I finished the mission I looked it up and continued like I wasn't a fool. Thankfully I've got this video to show me what I've missed til I can revisit it in my next playthrough.
i didn't read the ledger either. like 2 days ago on a new playthrough i finally read it and was shocked. i didn't even take a second look at the basement where you can clearly see shackles so i was very confused the first time when arthur threw his things in the fire.
Me either and totally missed the slave thing. When Arthur was mean to him I couldn't figure out why!! Lol I'm stupid
Just after I shot the old man, and I mean JUST after I shot him, a wind kicked up and blew through the camp, spooking the horses, both mine and Mr. Compton's. Really odd. It felt like the ghosts of the past where having their say. Whether good or bad, I couldn't say. Gave me chills.
Also, the burned down stable/shed in the back of the house is the stable/shed that Uncle, Arthur and Charles get pinned down in during Uncle's companion mission An Honest Mistake.
Just refreshed your RUclips page and this popped up lmao
Facts
lmao yes but how
Ngl, i thought Compson was just a poor old guy down on his luck and robbed by the bank
Yea me too lmao
This stranger quest line really spoke to me about some of the lessons to take away from this game. I remember when I first did this I was pissed off at the lack of remorse from this man for what he had done. Just imagine all the pain and suffering he caused to others but in the end he only cared about his legacy, it's disgusting. But as I left him there crying over the only earthly possessions he had left, I couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for him in a way despite his evil deeds. I feel like this quest somewhat mirrored the gangs moral crusade against the rapidly developing industrialization and changing of society of america out west. Ultimately that crusade was futile. Time moved on regardless of how hard they fought it, just as it did with Jeremiah. It goes to show that society will evolve with or without you and if you are not ready to evolve with it, then you'll just be left behind and forgotten about. A somber tone to be sure but it fits this game perfectly.
wildcatspawn So you feel bad for people who couldn’t adapt After the abolishment of slavery?
Ibracadabraasaa Nsj that wasn’t what they meant
@@ibracadabraasaansj2501 it makes you feel sympathy at the current moment for the complicated character. Having every character written as purely evil/purely good would get old fast, having complicated characters adds depth and makes them more interesting as to why they act that way. See also Arthur Morgan and John Marston known murderers and thieves.
@@IamtheDesperado There's nothing complicated or nuanced about him though. He was a slave foreman who "took pride in his work." He, like the real post slavery south was so dug into a singular existence that he fell into self made ruin. He contributed to an abhorrent system and wants to come back. Watching the last remnants of his "glory day" burn before getting domed is just desserts.
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I played the side mission as Arthur. It was very satisfying watching Mr Morgan drop the man's ledger in the fire in front of his eyes.
Compson is the surname of the slaver in Faulkner’s Absolom, Absolom!, and his descendants in The Sound and Fury. Definitely not a coincidence. The house in RDR2 matched the house in my mind from Sound and Fury. Great side mission, even if it doesn’t tie out perfectly to Faulkner’s world. I kinda wish it did though.
If we’re talking about literary references, the notice on Compson’s front door is from Judge Holden, who is the antagonist of Blood Meridian by Cormac Mccarthy. McCarthy is very heavily influenced by Faulkner, so I bet whoever wrote this mission knew what they were doing.
As someone who’s actually lived in the south their whole life (Alabama, in case you’re wondering), this mission was a big shock to me.
Reading the letters was almost heartwarming to me, as it’s similar to the stories my granddad would tell me of our ancestors, and gave me a lot of nostalgia. It didn’t occur to me that the Compsons were slave owners until I found the ledger, and I realized that many of us in the south, especially amongst the older generations, still look upon the antebellum period in a positive way.
I feel a bit… unsettled by this, as it’s a hard realization to grapple with. All those stories, built upon the sad and despicable foundation of slavery.
I’m honestly surprised I didn’t kill Jeremiah, but I suppose I felt a worse fate would be to let him wallow in his misery.
It's great, Compson has done terrible things and has no remorse, and yet he was such a huge part of the community
As a northerner who has studied history and has learned not to judge people of the past through the lens of modern morality, I have mixed feelings about this mission. The natural reaction from most people today is to look at slave owners, traders, and catchers with contempt, and possibly to view their accomplishments as fruits of a poisonous tree. But to truly understand history, one must understand the ideals of the people who lived through it. To the antebellum south, slavery was not evil, but merely a fact of life. They weren’t monsters, just people trying to live in a harsher world, upholding values that were taught to them by their own parents and grandparents. They didn’t see black people as actual people, because throughout their whole lives, they were taught not to see them as such. Compson views his former life with fondness because, at the time, he was respected and admired. But as the war ended, and his job was outlawed, he became bitter and resentful of his lot in life, and instead of transitioning to a job that could have made use of his skillset, like bounty hunting or even just hunting, he tried to work at a railroad company, where I assume he would go on and on about how he was cheated out of a good life, and was eventually forced out. In the context of the time this game took place, I think it might have been excessive for a someone like him to be shunned from society the way he seems to have been, but how much of it was societal pressure and how much of it was his own attitude isn’t truly explored. And as for Arthur/John’s response to learning the truth, keep in mind that both of them were raised by Dutch, a man who lost his father to the Confederate army during the Battle of Gettysburg, and has a very anarchistic, libertarian worldview. Both were instilled with what could be described as “progressive” views on race. So their treatment of Compson after learning the truth is informed by that upbringing. Whether they are justified, both in their words and whether they kill Compson or leave him be, is I think worth debating.
As for yourself, Hammerhead, if the knowledge of what your ancestors did for a living fills you with shame, try to remember that, by their standards, they were just people living their own lives, pursuing happiness and prosperity in ways that they were taught to. And even if part of what they did was evil as we now see it, that’s not a reflection on you. Let the past inform your future, but don’t hold the people back then to the standards of today.
@@Kwatcher100 At the time slavery was already very unpopular and any way you look at it slave hunting was evil. Hunting down your fellow human beings and selling them back into slavery is despicable and Compson deserves every last bit of karma that hit him, especially since he doesn't even feel remorse over it
@@Kwatcher100 certain things are morally wrong, regardless of the time period. Murder and rape are objectively bad no matter what century you’re in. Same with slavery. ESPECIALLY when it’s founded upon a persons race
@@Kwatcher100 even with the narrative of “slavery was more acceptable back then” that’s not quite true. It was condemned by many people of the time as an evil act.
It was perpetuated by large plantation owners and businessmen.
I think it could be compared to modern predatory business practices, they do things that are pretty evil in their own right but we tend to just accept these things as a fact of life and our current system. While there are many systems and people upholding these groups that do these things.
Really the civil war was just the poor fighting a rich man’s war. A war over the right to own a human being, something that never should have been allowed to become so integrated into society and have been allowed to happen.
When I did this it was storming and and I went to leave and shoot him but he got struck by lightning and all I though was "looks like god did what I was gonna do"
and you didn't clip that shit?????
Nah no fucking way that happened
I might am asshole but when he started crying I felt bad. But I’m also the person who ends up with good honor on their bad honor play through.
Fischer Sauls empathy’s natural, It’s okay to feel for where he’s currently at, it sucks his life is terrible, but he put himself there and that must be remembered to. . R* playing with our emotions, very interesting mission for sure
@@Kuzan24 and if you look at it deep it seems like rock stars trying to point out that the slave Hunter is no different from John or Arthur Morgan. They both live in a time when no one wants them anymore. If you play as Arthur Morgan it seems like at the end of the cutscene he realizes he's a hypocrite because he too cannot stand on the moral High Ground because how many innocent people has he killed and how many lives has he ruined dislike the slave Hunter. I don't know it just seems like that's what Rockstar was trying to point out in this Mission between the two.
ye i felt bad too but he should have atleast adapted morally and financially so it was his stupidity
@@traviscolkitt4955 I honestly didn't feel bad for him, at that time it was normal and it's just sad for that
I felt the same way, nobody deserves being kept alive just to see their world and everyone they loved crumble, even scumbags like him. Arthur put it best when he said “revenge is a fool’s game,” and quite frankly the fact that nobody put him out of his misery sooner is cruel revenge torture in itself. Still a shame that he tried clinging onto that past of “honor” that he had rather than learning his lesson though
Ngl I kinda feel for his sense of lost but not for his reason of feeling that way. He deserved everything he got. All I can say is that I hope he sees the errors of his ways in the afterlife. If he even gets that chance.
The chord played when you burn his body is not used anywhere else in the game files. True attention to detail and sense of immersion from rockstar.
The name Judge Holden in the notice letter could be a Blood Meridian reference, seeing as it takes place not long before the abolishment of slavery
Definitely is..I think there's a reference to it on some whiskey bottle in the game too.
Leaving aside the cruelty of his original profession and its moral implications - the job he got after the war was a good one. Railways were a growth industry in the 19th century, plenty of opportunity for advancement and staking a comfortable place for yourself in society. Everything we see of him, and learn of his past, suggest he is the architect of his own misfortunes, in every respect.
SpiderDijon2 He literally got fired for being born into the wrong family you literal Neanderthal.
@@sergeantmajorgross4461 I'm confused by your comment, since the letter we find in the mission implies he was dismissed for belligerence towards passengers and colleagues. This connects with what we see of his alcoholism and abrasive personality in our interactions with him - presumably the same thing which alienated his son. Where are you getting that the circumstances of his birth cost him his position at the railroad?
My thoughts exactly. Historical events, even fictional ones, should be viewed in the context of the morals and values of the time period they occurred in. Judging people and cultures like Mr. Compson by modern standards will lead to very skewed perceptions. Given the moral standards of the time period he’s from, it would be rather unfair and unreasonable to deny him employment simply because he used to be a slave catcher. Refusing to move on, and taking his bitterness out on others, is what led to his destitution. He had the perfect chance to adapt to the times, if not for his own sake, then the sake of his family. But instead, he choose to wallow in his misery, and it cost him everything.
This video is 11 minutes video and it’s not even 10 minutes old and there’s already a dislike
No matter who you are you will haters. you could the nicest person ever with nothing wrong with you and there will still be people who don't like you
This dislikes are from inbred southerners
People will never learn to not care about dislikes. Pathetic.
@@indiekiddrugpatrol3117 yeah pretty much lol
part of me thinks theres a strange part of youtube that just puts fake dislikes on videos....idk y tho but i just dont like the thought of someone who goes around disliking vids they havent even watched existing
When I originally did this, I never opened the ledger, and I didn’t pick up that he was a slave catcher, so when Arthur through the ledger into the fire I was like “what? Why did you do that?” But now, yeah I can see why he did that
Same. I read everything in that house and explored the whole place so I felt bad for him but the ledger was the only thing I didn’t read (I don’t know if I forgot or got distracted) so I was confused when Arthur burned his stuff. The basement was sorta creepy though, the music especially made me feel like something was wrong.
I was getting bored until this video popped up you saved me from getting bored.
Elijah Jernick what happened when you finished
Jaden Simpson Has played red dead redemption
I brought him to his house, threw him in the well and threw down dynamite.
The 22 people who disliked this are probably O'driscolls
Or Micha
Or southerners
More like Lemoyne Raiders
Or the kkk
I really enjoy your videos. You do a great job narrating. I've played through the game twice and yet I watch EVERY video you put out. Thank you.
When I finished this short story, I had mixed feelings for the old man. I didn't know what to do so I just left him on his tent.
Prolly the best thing to do was leave him to grovel over the past. He already suffers enough as it is.
@@MetalFox619 pretty much...
Although... if he does anything bad let the law deal with him at that point.
@@TheSoldierChristian at this point in his life, he's too busy drinking away his problems and wishing for the "glory days" to come back to do anything dumb like that lol
I had no mixed feelings.
You made the smartest decision in the entire game
Jeremiah's arguably worse than a slaver, he was a slave _catcher_; the people the slave owners hired to catch runaways that slipped off the plantations. It's why the colonel in one of the letters thanks Jeremiah or whoever for returning his "property."
Why does the John/Arthur call the flintlock a revolver
Tbh it should've been a black powder revolver. The pistol in game would've been an antique in 1855
@@vitoscaletta7151 not necessarily, it looks to be a cap lock, so it wouldn't have been that old, but by 1899 it certainly would be one
The inventory icon for the pistol appears to be an 1848 Colt Dragoon, which would've made more sense for the time period Jeremiah operated in. I think it was originally going to be an old cap and ball Colt, but they changed it to a caplock conversion and never recorded new voice lines.
@@thebiggestofchungi3538, it would've been very old. The one we see is actually an 1830s caplock conversion of a flintlock. It makes would make much more sense for him to have been using a cap and ball revolver, as they had been around for decades by 1855.
Could’ve potentially been an acting mistake, since the pistol things they use in mocap are usually just models that don’t look like the guns themselves, and given that 90% of the people in this game use revolvers they would likely have just adlibbed it.
There’s my gigantic wall of text guess.
I just played this stranger encounter the other night, and I love the way how red dead introduces it, how the story for it progresses- you see the family, their friends and then their legacy. (Kinda I guess lmao)
The music that played throughout the house was beautiful and played with my emotions as well
every time you post i know its gonna be a interesting one. top quality shit man
If you shoot near him at his camp, he trips and burns himself on the fire..
i left him alive to suffer and see the world continue to step on everything he stood for
I left him alive to live because the man can have a redemption.
@@elweegee3575I threw some dinamite on him lol
The line at the end where he says "I still exist" is more of a stab at a biting social commentary I think, because people like him or in the spirit of him, do in fact, still exist.
Edit: I killed him with a tomahawk to the skull personally.
"I still exist!"
Not for much longer
I played this side mission at night that the two men scared the crap out of me and makes everything so eerie. But I threw a tomahawk at him and felt better
For some reason, his voiceover when reading the letters and the ledger inside this empty house, was really chilling. This house was spooky
I walked away and left him alive. Felt sorry for the poor man. He was a product of his time and unable to realize the truth about the horrible things he did. But losing everything and being homeless is punishment enough.
Exactly.
I used my laso and pulled him into to fire and let him burn
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I let him live because that's his punishment to be forgotten to the world
You my brother have made the right choice
When i first played this mission I didn’t know what to do, but when I did I chose to walk away. I then checked reddit to see what choices people made, some were violent and some did my choice. Either way you get Honor but the point is would you choose to kill him to put him out of his misery? maybe kill him out of disgust? Or give him a fate worse than death.
Actually I think about it the game is trying to point out that he's no different some Arthur Morgan or John.🤔
It would be interesting that if you killed him at the end, you could grab his broken cap lock pistol. Then maybe you could go to the gunsmith, and have them fix it up for a price? I’m not quite sure how to handle getting caps and balls to shoot it though.
That would be cool. But it would only be a one shot weapon. I assume that John or Arthur don't need it, because they wouldn't know how to handle it, or take care of it.
I'm playing like one week this game and everyday i just can't stop finding new things
There's a letter Fizhy missed and it was about a letter about Jeremiah being made redundant at the ascension plantation
I honestly like the way Jeremiah Thompson's voice sounds. When he's the one that reads the letters it just seems more genuine. You get all sad and somber and feel bad for the man until you realize what it is he lost.
hands down my guy fizhy is the best hands down with red dead vids
Fun bit. If you shoot him straight on, he falls forward into the fire himself. Only wish I had a bottle of whiskey for Arthur to fill up the tank to piss on the man. I kinda prefer Arthur’s dialogue as it just feels more pained, almost like he sees that he’s fallen like Jeremiah and realizes that he’s looking at what he could become.
Most of the sidequests are better with Arthur imo. They help with his character development and arc
Or you can simply not kill Compson. Letting him drown in misery is a fate worse then death
i think jeremiah picking up the gun in the fire is an easter egg to Red Dead Revolver, at the beginning of the game Red Harlow picks up his dads gun from a fire and scars his hand
Had a few ideas for vids I'd like to see you do, one of them is documenting the path of destruction carried out by the Van der Linde Gang from Blackwater to Beaver Hollow.
If you go just outside the house there is a well if you climb down the well there is a large amount of tallies on the wall presumably he kept people down there
Only stranger that gives you honor when you kill them
Killing that stalker up north should give positive (or no honor) too tho...
@@MartyKay I meant a mission stranger and I think that killing Charlotte's stalker doesn't effect your honor
@@MartyKay Killing him loses honour :/
@@MaddmattH Yeah, I know, but it shouldn't :/
Andrew Knepp it gives you honor if you leave him there as well
Your videos are like little documents and I think that is sosososo cool like I wish I had your job
You can also find a well outside the house. With markings of weeks and coins on the bottom. Which means he used to throw slaves down there and throw coin at them.
It's strange that I genuinely feel bad for the man, evening knowing that he's a a slave owner.
Naw, it makes sense. At its core, he's a broken man who wants to be held in high esteem like he did before. Ultimately, he was a "hero" who then got pissed on. Its natural to feel bad for him, because its how empathy works.
Nah fuck him, dude owned and sold a *child* into slavery
Slaves were well-treated prior to the civil war. They were fed, given fine clothes and a roof and bed. Slaves in america had finer clothes than the majority of modern "free" americans, owned by thr bank.
@@uglukthemedicineman5933 I mean you're an Uruk so of course you're going to say that slavery's not that bad.
@@blaster23456 it's better than being homeless and starving.
I did this side mission with Arthur, and it actually wouldn't allow me to kill him. I tried, but when I pressed the left trigger button to lock onto him, I would just bring up the interaction mini-menu. Even when I tried to manually aim my gun at him, the sight-dot would become transparent and it didn't allow me to fire the weapon when my sights were over him.
"What're you doing, that's my history"
Why do I feel like that's kinda poking fun at those people who talk about their Confederate heritage
I didn't kill him. He drove his own family away and now lives in squalor holding onto to remnants of his squandered legacy. I didn't feel any profound sense of justice, I just felt...sad.
I just noticed that John has the same scar as Red Harlow
I tied him up and threw him on his camp fire. Then the fire spread and burned his horse.
Somehow, even though I always play this as Arthur, this seems much more fitting as John. He's lived a bad life like compson and saw that's what he might've been like. Also the line at 9:23 was more fitting in John's perspective since like he said to Javier in rdr1, the gang's life didn't mean nothing and that it was just an excuse.
”I still exist” well yeah what did he think was gonna happen?
remember that shootout you do after uncles stage coach tip turns out to be cornwall payroll or whatever?
you & the gang end up hiding out in the barn on compston stead, I'm assuming one of he squatters had answered the door when the pinkertons come looking for you but yeah, surprised you didn't mention that little factoid.
Even though he owned slaves and was kind of a bad person, I cant help feeling bad for him
Losing existential purpose and material sense of connection to the world is shattering. But how many people did he shatter in the way of life he so missed? I'd have left him to suffer that, frankly. That was his choice. He convinced himself that he was some sort of gentleman. That lie is the entire source of his suffering in a post-slavery society. He suffers because he feels as though he does not exist outside of a slaver society. He is a truly pathetic man. In that regard, I understand your pity.
Still, I can't help but picture a younger him, believing himself to be a good person and valuable member of society, all the while making all of those people's faces twist with anguish, fear, and resentment. And he learned nothing from it, not even in his dying breath. There is nothing that can change that. He chose that path, perhaps simply unable to face what he did. Or worse, genuinely believing that it was right. He only thought he understood suffering.
Did this one as Arthur. Went ahead and sold the dudes horse after I shot him and his body burned in his own fire.
With that first picture, when they said “property” I thought the note meant the plantation. It was only much later I realized…. It meant slaves.
I never kill that guy. Thats too easy, especially since he cries out "I still exist". No, by letting him live, he will keep suffering in the time he got left, which he deserve.
It’s still pretty satisfying to throw a fire bottle on him, lasso him and drag him around on your horse, or feed him to alligators. I wish you could draw and quarter in this game
9:59 I really do wish that Fizhy spared Compson, leaving him to be wallowing in his own misery is much more satisfying then killing Compson because your giving the slave catcher a fate worse then death
It’s so cool how they added judge Holden in this as an Easter egg
id say its more mercy killing than cold blooded. kinda like I Am Legend
Novel by Richard Matheson
Arthur's diary says that he (Arhtur) was the last thing that Compton saw in his life...However it says so after I killed Compton. Does the diary say anything different if you don't kill him an just leave without hurting him after confronting him and chucking his stuff into the campfire?
It’s nor a diary, it’s a journal. There’s a difference.
@@erikallen3804 Fair enough, but that seems to me to be a rather filigree distinction considering that I'm not writing a carefully formulated academic paper here, but instead am just tossing a question into the "forum" that is the comment section that came to my mind spontaneously as I was watching the clip. So naturally I did not weigh my words as I way typing but just wrote them down as they came to me. Still would be interested in whether the journal entry changes if you leave Compton without hurting him.
@@MrZsasz25 I think if Arthur spares him, the journal simply omits the part about Arthur being the last thing he saw.
He is still capable of redemption but I feel he doesn’t feel bad about what he did, he’s just upset because his career was ruined.
Even the worst person can change, if they just try. Compson didn't want to try, he just wanted his old job back. Personally, I think the better thing to do is to let him live, endlessly wallowing in self pity until either he picks himself back up, or he croaks
I did most side missions with Arthur, including this one.
Quite interesting hearing John's dialogue and monologing instead.
the dumbest thing about this is that when the squatters pull out a knife, for some reason arthurt/john also pulls out a knife instead of just shooting them in the head immediately lol
Luckily if you just hit the shoot button instead of the melee one, Arthur just instantly stabs him in the heart
If you look at a note on the porch, you find that the judge who approved of the foreclosure is named "M. Holden."
Not even _Red Dead Redemption 2_ is safe from him.
Oh no... Its him
I felt bad for this guy. Trying to hold on to history that is wrong, but still means something to him.
I did most of these quests as Arthur. It really brings depth and redemption to his character. But John is also a playable character, and the protagonist of rdr1. So I guess you either play Arthur as a respectable man at the end of his life, or play give a respectable origin story for John.
This house is in the story right before compsons side mission is available. You’re in a shoot out in the barn here with uncle Charles and bill doing a mission for uncle robbing a stage coach
When I first played this mission, it lately occurred to me that he was actually a slave catcher. Now on my 2nd playthrough, I burned him alive like a psycho that I am in GTA games, I burned him alive so that it feels like he is being dragged down by his own victims that he slaved on.
The confrontation with him is sooooo much better when you do it as Arthur imo
I KILLED IM AND I GAINED HONOR
If you go in the well behind his house, there's tally marks on the inside.
When I killed him he fell into the fire it looked so badass
It's kind of funny seeing people say that they left him alive because they think it's a better punishment. I'm mad that I didn't think about hog tying him and him attaching him to a train track. I'm going to replay the game just to do that. I'm a black man. I'm pretty sure that 99% certain that of my people that played this game killed this guy without hesitation.
The line "some jobs ain't for saving, and some legacies, they're for pissing on" feels more appropriate for John IMO
He left the life behind, and in 1911 he speaks of it in shame. He knows it's was all for nothing and it was just excuses. When he says it, he's experienced it
I find it interesting that they call the flintlock a revolver, and when you pick it up the picture is a broken revolver
What's funny is both John and Arthur ask if that "revolver" is his. When it's clearly a flintlock.
The icon inventory icon when you pick it up is a Colt 1851 Navy, so I'd hazard it *was* meant to be a revolver but was changed for for reason or another.
This was the best mission!! I had no idea until I remembered about the civil war and pieced it all together before I went back
But did you notice how the slave Hunters is no different from Arthur Morgan or John. They live in a time and place where no one wants them anymore. They both killed innocent people and ruined families. not that different ones one another except one would call you the n-word. 🤔
@@traviscolkitt4955 Its an interesting theme as hypocrisy runs quite deep throughout the game. We hate the slave driver and Micah for being scumbags but if you think about it how are we any different the theme of fighting to stay relevant in an ever changing world was one I picked up on near the end. I played high honour but bearing the ending of chapter 5 when Dutch goes crazy it struck me how Dutch, Micah, John and Arthur are really no different the only exception is John and Arthur could see themselves for what they were and tried to change
@Pinkamena Pie I don't think it's propaganda as regardless of what happened to the man he refuses to see himself as in the wrong or feel what he did was morally reprehensible and on the topic of Arthur he doesn't start any of the fights in Rhodes or strawberry he mentions how repulsed he is by it on many occasions and later on you try and be a good man and fix your mistakes which is better than the slaver as he is content to sit by and blame society for his racism and ignorance and still claim his way of life has a right to exist when it doesnt
@Pinkamena Pie you gain honour for killing people who deserve killing these people are racists and disgusting people are you telling me if given the chance with no repurcussions you wouldn't kill a slaver or a racist extremist
@Pinkamena Pie I think that's what Rockstar maybe was getting at. that authors no different from this guy but I also agree with you
John the the flintlock pistol a “revolver”😂😂 timestamp 6:05
Damn, Dutch is out here evicting people’s houses now lmao
Next to revisit Gavin. We will find him this time gang
He was evicted after He did not give enough information
To cornwall's m'en about the location of Arthur Bill Uncle and Charles after that stage coach robbery in chapter three.
I know this because the burt building is the same building that the gang hid in for a night.
No, he was evicted way before then. The notices are there in chapter 2.
I felt bad for the guy so I spared him from death
@@dillonburnett3826 Angry ass nigga
Feel bad for a dirty racist slave catcher?
Nycra racist ass cracca
• KamikazeKrab • stfu bitch I’ll slap the goofy out of you
Same
When I did this as Arthur is must have glitched, after the mission was over the old man was too close to the fire and ignited.
I did this mission as Arthur
What happens if you don't read the ledger and give him his things? Does the protagonist still know what they are?
Yeah, because the other contents of Compson's cellar (shackles, whips, the fact the Rhodes is based on the Confederate South) make it quite obvious how disgusting he is.
Anyone realize that this is in a story mission the house the mission is called an honest mistake where you camp out in a barn then it burns down
Also the home robbery you can do with Sean is extremely close to there too, as is the beginning of the sidequest "He's British, of Course" (the one where you find the animals for the traveling circus).
You’d think a seasoned gunman like Arthur / John would know the difference between a “revolver” and a knackered old flintlock…?
When I played this side mission for the first time I didn’t pay attention to what he was saying or his basement. I just thought he was a professor or something.
When I do missions like this as john I just imagine that Arthur did it