Did Dutch Van Der Linde Sustain a Brain Injury? - Red Dead Redemption 2

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Комментарии • 4,6 тыс.

  • @mrshamf3484
    @mrshamf3484 4 года назад +20189

    Dutch got brain damage from smashing his head in from hearing about Raid: Shadow Legends so much

    • @Snauss
      @Snauss 4 года назад +582

      Micah... that's cringe.

    • @mrshamf3484
      @mrshamf3484 4 года назад +485

      @@Snauss Our time has passed, John

    • @mr_shay3133
      @mr_shay3133 4 года назад +271

      @@Snauss Micah! You cringey son of a bitch!

    • @ParrotTalks
      @ParrotTalks 4 года назад +290

      *COUGH* UHU UHUUHUUHU *dies
      from cringe*

    • @what827
      @what827 4 года назад +158

      *dutch shoots Micah with house building theme song

  • @inverted652
    @inverted652 4 года назад +9951

    It’s disrespectful how you call it the “head injury” it has a name. That name is Micah Bell.

    • @marwansobhy7050
      @marwansobhy7050 4 года назад +538

      Micah Bell is not a brain injury, it is a brain tumor

    • @latewizard301
      @latewizard301 4 года назад +33

      aw... i was gonna comment that.

    • @weed3728
      @weed3728 4 года назад +19

      jaguarstar 90 WRONG Micah Bell is brain CANCER

    • @Abbas_Saif
      @Abbas_Saif 4 года назад +98

      bold of you to assume we respect Micah

    • @dylanlewis3038
      @dylanlewis3038 4 года назад +4

      Micah’s a RAT!

  • @OneCut1Slash
    @OneCut1Slash 4 года назад +9986

    He definitely had a brain injury. He didn't even take the gold back from the crone after killing her. Smh

    • @whog0esther3
      @whog0esther3 4 года назад +786

      Genki Dama Trunks I thought I was the only one that noticed

    • @codyquinton9187
      @codyquinton9187 4 года назад +294

      I noticed that too

    • @FoxOctopus
      @FoxOctopus 4 года назад +894

      haha yeah that did bother me. why would you not tack it.

    • @cat-bu5ky
      @cat-bu5ky 4 года назад +186

      didnt he say that the braithwaithes had no treasure?

    • @Calv-tb1bx
      @Calv-tb1bx 4 года назад +464

      I tried to go back and take it but I couldn't loot her.

  • @Ryan-Dalzell.2991
    @Ryan-Dalzell.2991 9 месяцев назад +557

    This is ground zero for the absolute chaos that this fandom has become

    • @toxicToast2448
      @toxicToast2448 9 месяцев назад +159

      The “is he stupid” for red dead fans

    • @Beaver_Monday
      @Beaver_Monday 9 месяцев назад +9

      Why did you refer to a RUclips video as the ground? Are you stupid?
      Brain in jury?

    • @animq4ionboi.153
      @animq4ionboi.153 8 месяцев назад +47

      It always goes full circle to the Aslume...

    • @advakart4208
      @advakart4208 4 месяца назад

      what do you mean?

    • @williammoutchia9292
      @williammoutchia9292 4 месяца назад

      @@joe-lm3mvHoly shit bro, it’s not that deep, god damn😂😂

  • @itsfresh0420
    @itsfresh0420 4 года назад +3543

    “We each got fifteen dollars, oh and a quarter, don’t forget the quarter!”

    • @rowen8000
      @rowen8000 4 года назад +282

      "Shut up, Arthur."

    • @itsfresh0420
      @itsfresh0420 4 года назад +83

      Gubbins I HAVE A PLAN!!!!

    • @TheLeiaOrgana
      @TheLeiaOrgana 4 года назад +78

      Freshie04 “You always have a god damn plan, Dutch.”

    • @TheC0unt
      @TheC0unt 4 года назад +22

      The fucking quarter yer hear boah

    • @itsfresh0420
      @itsfresh0420 4 года назад +20

      Leia Organa “I’m doing my best Arthur!!!”

  • @Poke-ladd
    @Poke-ladd 4 года назад +5004

    I still think that all the good people who died: Hosea, Lenny, Sean they probably would have sided with Arthur and John

    • @kenji.mp4.1502
      @kenji.mp4.1502 4 года назад +1033

      Kieran

    • @weed3728
      @weed3728 4 года назад +642

      Travis letchford most definitely even from the earlier chapters you could tell who had some sense and who didn’t Bill & Javier were both yes men but Javier should’ve known better

    • @therandom.cowboy5526
      @therandom.cowboy5526 4 года назад +160

      Sean wouldn’t lmao

    • @mattthorne5977
      @mattthorne5977 4 года назад +71

      And Kieran

    • @alec6583
      @alec6583 4 года назад +315

      Without a doubt. I think that, without those lovable renegades balancing out the clueless followers, Dutch lost his perspective. Arthur and John were outnumbered in the end.

  • @pitolope2012
    @pitolope2012 4 года назад +8093

    Dutch: WE JUST NEED A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THEN WE’LL BE SET”
    *Arthur with $8132 in his back pocket 🤔*

    • @BrokenGodEnt
      @BrokenGodEnt 4 года назад +1132

      The gang had a savings of around $45,000. That's the equivalent of having $1.2 million today. Idk if Rockstar did this on purpose to show that no matter what Dutch would truly never be satisfied with the amount they had, or if they just didn't account for inflation fully. The money system is kinda weird in this game, but I'm thinking that it's a mix of both.

    • @roninr.d2732
      @roninr.d2732 4 года назад +271

      Nah if they had the Blackwater money they'd be set, and that was like 24 grand

    • @brandonbarton138
      @brandonbarton138 4 года назад +290

      @George Gebhard that would be about $4,815,578.36 today apparently. oh, how money was more valuable back then...

    • @LDaniel_BDuce
      @LDaniel_BDuce 4 года назад +252

      Brandon Barton
      Ya, back in my day we could buy a coke for 5 cents. And when Dutch was sane because raid shadow legends didn’t exist

    • @Joelaaaaa
      @Joelaaaaa 4 года назад +51

      Brandon Barton well to be fair they didn’t get the money from Blackwater until the gang disbanded

  • @scrollingon1637
    @scrollingon1637 Год назад +673

    Is there a lore reason why at the end of the game Arthur couldn't just respawn after dying, when he did it countless time before? Is he stupid?

  • @iGabSchiavon
    @iGabSchiavon 4 года назад +2505

    Hosea's death also contributed to Dutch's madness, as Hosea was kinda of the smart and peaceful part of the gang leadership. Maybe Milton knew that Hosea was the brain of the gang and knew that killing hosea would destabilize them

    • @dimez3702
      @dimez3702 4 года назад +218

      Gabriel Schiavon if that is true Milton is damn good at his job

    • @sm.sym1719
      @sm.sym1719 4 года назад +16

      @@dimez3702 yeh no doubt, that's if it's true tho 🤣

    • @AlexBrown-ot2gv
      @AlexBrown-ot2gv 4 года назад +121

      If he did know it must've been micah who let him know

    • @yesvsno4461
      @yesvsno4461 4 года назад +52

      Gabriel Schiavon that would make sense since they got Hosea and John but he killed Hosea

    • @iGabSchiavon
      @iGabSchiavon 4 года назад +115

      Hosea was an old guy, and to reach that age doing what he does he must be a very smart player. Milton was a strategist, that's why he was aways in the gang's trail. That's my opinion tho

  • @ch4rlesiv115
    @ch4rlesiv115 4 года назад +3476

    Hosea was basically Dutch's therapist
    Dutch went almost crazy after Hosea died and since he wasn't there to fix his mind, he kept getting worse with Micah manipulating him on top of that

    • @jacksonpearce5273
      @jacksonpearce5273 3 года назад +81

      His BFF too

    • @mr.cobrastan7685
      @mr.cobrastan7685 3 года назад +23

      @@jacksonpearce5273 Yeah good mates

    • @johnmarston1158
      @johnmarston1158 3 года назад +5

      I never did such a thing I was only looking after him since the old man died

    • @thenarrator1921
      @thenarrator1921 3 года назад +49

      Dutch had a very immature and idealistic goal of being a Robin Hood without the "give to the poor" part. Micah just fed his instincts, just like Satan in his snake form with Adam and Eve, he wasn't really trying to turn Adam and Eve evil, he was toying with their curiosity. Micah just had a shit ton of money in it if he succeeded though, with the Pinkerton deal, the Blackwater money, and all the other heists.

    • @chikyuu9186
      @chikyuu9186 3 года назад +34

      Yes Hosea’s death was Dutch’s breaking point Micah had Dutch confused that’s why he killed Micah when John confronted them he never knew Micah was responsible for Arthur’s death
      John kind of help Dutch snap back into reality for a second just like how John couldn’t say anything once Dutch passed him Dutch had that seem feeling but his was guilt instead of shock thus he went completely insane not knowing who to trust and having so many people trying to kill him

  • @lsswappedcessna
    @lsswappedcessna 4 года назад +2437

    2:39 to skip the ad, because I know everyone's tired of having Raid: Shadow Legends crammed in their face.

    • @zacharycarrier2890
      @zacharycarrier2890 4 года назад +177

      This reply is sponsored by raid Shadow legends

    • @TheOldBlackShuckyDog
      @TheOldBlackShuckyDog 4 года назад +21

      Thank you good sir

    • @saintgarluth
      @saintgarluth 4 года назад +21

      this comment is really Underrated, must be pinned...

    • @masonharris9166
      @masonharris9166 4 года назад +24

      @@saintgarluth That might violate a contract.

    • @saintgarluth
      @saintgarluth 4 года назад +6

      @@masonharris9166 well then wheres the Moneh, Boah?

  • @annonzone
    @annonzone Год назад +862

    That thumbnail is the god of reaction images

  • @xaidwithanx
    @xaidwithanx 4 года назад +1750

    When Bronte said "One thousand dollars to the man who kills him." He picked the wrong people to say that to. They all looked at him like he was some sort of idiot.

    • @soopersalty4657
      @soopersalty4657 4 года назад +224

      bill was sitting in the back like “wait really?”

    • @360Dominator1
      @360Dominator1 4 года назад +310

      Arthur sitting there with over $4,000 in his wallet.

    • @terminallumbago6465
      @terminallumbago6465 4 года назад +147

      Micah probably would have took it lol

    • @jeffythedinosaur2792
      @jeffythedinosaur2792 3 года назад +105

      Him killing Bronte is when I realized he went crazy he says we need more money so he kills a valuable man we could have sold

    • @tjtaco5156
      @tjtaco5156 3 года назад +18

      correction they looked at him BECAUSE he was an idiot

  • @ACCOUNTREMOVEDPENDINGREVIEW
    @ACCOUNTREMOVEDPENDINGREVIEW 4 года назад +5249

    I’m in chapter 2, the camp has almost 30k(thank you lennys simple trainer)I think and all upgrades, plus Micah is in jail and we have Kieran, Sean, Hosea and Lenny are still alive, Arthur hasn’t contracted tuberculosis and the pinkertons haven’t found our camp yet. I basically have the good ending already.

    • @Erick-io5xi
      @Erick-io5xi 4 года назад +87

      ayeeee

    • @goldytrix7233
      @goldytrix7233 4 года назад +561

      you still need more money

    • @killakitano9628
      @killakitano9628 3 года назад +296

      Might as well get more MUNEH

    • @jeffk.9075
      @jeffk.9075 3 года назад +464

      You have the money and the men but you need to have A GODDAMN PLAN ARTHUR.

    • @AwangKhairunnas
      @AwangKhairunnas 3 года назад +94

      And it all goes downhill from there lol

  • @sebas-pi8sz
    @sebas-pi8sz 4 года назад +2685

    I think Hosea’s death really changed him as a person

    • @aokiocojongco1881
      @aokiocojongco1881 4 года назад +438

      Or he just showed his true self and hosea was the only one that was holding dutch's true nature back

    • @Kanal7Indonesia
      @Kanal7Indonesia 4 года назад +104

      Dutch and Hosea were Arthur's surrogate parents/fathers

    • @robertschieri9157
      @robertschieri9157 4 года назад +40

      It changed me Ik that

    • @dopestep6841
      @dopestep6841 4 года назад +55

      I think it was probably the Blackwater Massacre that changed Dutch.

    • @kvonn3289
      @kvonn3289 4 года назад +73

      It sure did you can see his face after he died and I think guarma made it worse for him

  • @kryspy5160
    @kryspy5160 Год назад +1237

    okbc has completely ruined my life

  • @dutchvanderlinde955
    @dutchvanderlinde955 4 года назад +5948

    I feel offended, I was just tryna come up with a good plan

  • @buumr
    @buumr 3 года назад +4567

    Dutch this, Micah that, poor Arthur. Has anyone seen a damn English man called “Gavin”

    • @kriscorner9390
      @kriscorner9390 3 года назад +130

      How long have you been looking for him?

    • @NO-pf2gp
      @NO-pf2gp 3 года назад +31

      HE IS YOU *Epic music*

    • @mrmeme9991
      @mrmeme9991 3 года назад +46

      @@kriscorner9390200 years

    • @kriscorner9390
      @kriscorner9390 3 года назад +17

      @@mrmeme9991 Yikes. Might as well give up by year 80.

    • @dinosaur1310
      @dinosaur1310 3 года назад +16

      He us actually close to black water in a cave

  • @shawnthompson2303
    @shawnthompson2303 4 года назад +2406

    I was legit worried when I was skinning the legendary Alligator, Bronte's mangled corpse would spill out.

    • @ryderls2729
      @ryderls2729 4 года назад +360

      Would've been a cool detail

    • @Nigtarr99
      @Nigtarr99 4 года назад +172

      The legendary gator was kinda cool his white skin really helps finding him because he stands out

    • @didimean
      @didimean 4 года назад +27

      Just go fishing where Bronte was let off that boat

    • @neighborhood1119
      @neighborhood1119 3 года назад +2

      😂😂😂😂

    • @dinolover5363
      @dinolover5363 3 года назад +7

      That wouldn't have happened anyway because alligators wait untill there prey has gone rotten then eat them

  • @Hustlery
    @Hustlery Год назад +397

    Is there a plot reason on why Dutch didn't recollect the gold that he gave to the old lady that he just killed? Is he stupid?

    • @AjMorganv16
      @AjMorganv16 Год назад +47

      That was exactly my thought after he killed her

    • @zymethamp6596
      @zymethamp6596 Год назад +53

      He knew Spanish.

    • @willoworm
      @willoworm 11 месяцев назад +36

      have a little faith, son. he was gonna go back for it

    • @mafiosogamer7599
      @mafiosogamer7599 10 месяцев назад

      Pay more, pay now

    • @luketheduke001
      @luketheduke001 10 месяцев назад +6

      My assumption was that he did collect it and the cutscene just didn’t show it, maybe he didn’t though lmao

  • @lewisbishop2998
    @lewisbishop2998 4 года назад +1624

    People still talking about red dead 2 story brings a smile to my heart

    • @JR-gt3li
      @JR-gt3li 4 года назад +24

      Stripey Arse O U T T A T H E D A M N W A Y

    • @LDaniel_BDuce
      @LDaniel_BDuce 4 года назад +9

      JR
      *LENNY! LEENNNYYY!*

    • @blankblank5409
      @blankblank5409 4 года назад +9

      Why can’t they bring updates to it :(

    • @JR-gt3li
      @JR-gt3li 4 года назад +2

      Lucas Daniel L E N N A H

    • @mblue2984
      @mblue2984 4 года назад

      Lumbago Rdr2 online

  • @goinawol9447
    @goinawol9447 4 года назад +1494

    Key factors:
    1. There was a rat in his gang that led to him losing $150000 in a robbery.
    2. The pinkertons are following him so he doesn't know if he will die in his sleep.
    3. Everyone is blaming him and irritating him while he needs time to think alone.
    4. People need to understand that he is human and makes mistakes.
    5. Many people who have had know fro years died within a few weeks (Jenny, Davey, Mac and Sean (Dutch thought he was dead), Micah was to be hung)
    6. He was getting to the age of a mid life crisis. We know that he would have been at least 40
    7. Molly was getting very irritated and annoying Dutch as he was talking to other women (as well as men but the women are the main part) around camp to keep the morale up.
    8. His head injury
    9. His best friend for more that 20 years got killed, potentially because he drew attention to himself by kidnapping a major person in the largest city of the 5 starts in the game.
    10. He loses an estimated $60000 (1.8 million today), making all his master plans fail so 20 peoples fates could be sealed.
    11. He starts to be crazy and suspects that Arthur -whom he had know for 20 years- was betraying him. He would feel like he could trust no one.
    12. The woman he loves is killed.
    13. His whole gang falls apart, something he had built up for years.
    14. He is told the only person that he still trusts was a rat and he feels betrayed.

    • @ExpressTacoVille
      @ExpressTacoVille 4 года назад +70

      Glxph Logan wow good job that’s some fair points.

    • @waluigiforsmash737
      @waluigiforsmash737 4 года назад +27

      Genuine question, didn’t he kill the woman he loves

    • @goinawol9447
      @goinawol9447 4 года назад +77

      Waluigi For Smash Colm killed Annobel, whom Dutch loved

    • @psteeg3551
      @psteeg3551 4 года назад +148

      "People need to understand that he is human and makes mistakes"
      I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I could see, many folks around Dutch understood that he's made mistakes. They told him all the time about his wrong decision making. Dutch was the one who would not understand he is just a human and he's made mistakes

    • @waluigiforsmash737
      @waluigiforsmash737 4 года назад +5

      Glxph Logan ok i thought it was about molly but i now remember he didnt kill her either, thanks for the clarification

  • @deadrat7019
    @deadrat7019 4 года назад +748

    Personally, I always thought the gang was suffering from arsenic poisoning in chapter 6. They are right next to butcher creek, and the mine leaking the poison into river source which they are using. I know that that it is likely not the case, but I always thought it was a funny coincidence that the whole gang started acting really erratic at the same time they moved into Beaver Hallow.
    Elysian pool is downstream from beaver hollow. Sorry, I jumped the gun. Thank you all for clearing up any misconceptions.

    • @40088922
      @40088922 4 года назад +152

      they started to act this way in Beaver Hollow because morale was low, they were at their wit's end, members were either leaving or dying and the law was closing in on them. while it would be kinda cool if they turned out to be poisoned then, the game gives plenty of reasons to understand their position by this point in the story

    • @Ahnenerbe1944
      @Ahnenerbe1944 4 года назад +48

      They were upstream from the Elysian pool though

    • @droberts9037
      @droberts9037 4 года назад +11

      The fact they’re all so erratic is probably due to the anger they feel from having been so badly damaged as a group by the Pinkertons which also forced them up to Beaver Hollow.

    • @agentmoron747
      @agentmoron747 4 года назад +2

      You are stupid

    • @joebaker7788
      @joebaker7788 4 года назад +19

      deadrat7019 the poison was being leaked from the waterfall in Elysian Pool. They would have been collecting water way more up stream. Good theory though

  • @negachin2948
    @negachin2948 3 года назад +483

    You know what is in the, “best interest of the gang”? Letting Micah swing in Strawberry in the beginning of the game.

    • @maddog_rp
      @maddog_rp 3 года назад +4

      yeah

    • @jasondyrkacz8270
      @jasondyrkacz8270 3 года назад +39

      Have another night of drinking and hanging with Lenny? No problemo.

    • @easternrebel1061
      @easternrebel1061 3 года назад +1

      Isn't that a secret ending, if so how do I get it?

    • @negachin2948
      @negachin2948 3 года назад +3

      @@easternrebel1061 no, it’s just a cool thought

    • @easternrebel1061
      @easternrebel1061 3 года назад +3

      @@negachin2948 that sucks

  • @mrireland2812
    @mrireland2812 4 года назад +802

    "repetition of words" he does say he had a plan a lot during chapter 6

    • @SCP--cy7cd
      @SCP--cy7cd 4 года назад +8

      😳

    • @YaBoiBrendo
      @YaBoiBrendo 4 года назад +33

      He said that a lot throughout the whole game.

    • @SCP--cy7cd
      @SCP--cy7cd 4 года назад +10

      Brendan Greene i think you missed the joke mate

    • @YaBoiBrendo
      @YaBoiBrendo 4 года назад +4

      Yes I did. I feel silly.

    • @thegrayyernaut
      @thegrayyernaut 4 года назад +26

      He kept saying that he had a plan, that Arthur doubted him, that Arthur needed faith and
      NOISE
      NOISE!!

  • @darkninjacorporation
    @darkninjacorporation 4 года назад +388

    He acts distrustful of Arthur from basically the very beginning. I’m replaying the story and in chapter 2 Dutch said something like “you seen the type to betray me, in the end” to which Arthur showed some serious confusion

    • @newbells1337
      @newbells1337 4 года назад +42

      In a sense he was right when Arthur exposed Micha as a rat he said "All of you pick your side now because this is over"

    • @peytontaylor8044
      @peytontaylor8044 4 года назад +31

      MarchBloxBoy theone yeah arthur is the one to betray him but Dutch has already turned on the way him arthur and hosea started out with

    • @MrTuttoAzzurro
      @MrTuttoAzzurro 4 года назад +2

      *seem

    • @MrTuttoAzzurro
      @MrTuttoAzzurro 4 года назад +1

      *Micah

    • @calibmatlock
      @calibmatlock 4 года назад +54

      The Blackwater massacre definitely shook Dutch up badly. The fact that Arthur and Hosea, his oldest friends, weren't there when the clusterfuck went down makes it pretty easy to empathize with Dutch's paranoia. That said, I still think Dutch has syphilis induced psychosis.

  • @GabrielOliveira-oe2kh
    @GabrielOliveira-oe2kh 4 года назад +637

    While I don't think a concussion made Dutch go mad (it's too simplistic), I believe that when Bronte set him up and made a fool out of him, it made him finally realize how much of a "failure" he was up until that moment, and that he would never be respected as an outlaw in America being a "good guy". However, Bronte's betrayal was just the trigger for something that has been building up since before the Blackwater incident.

    • @mrshamf3484
      @mrshamf3484 4 года назад +38

      Makes a lot of sense since when he kills Bronte he tries his best to stick it to him that he's better then him, that he's superior

    • @theoutsiderjess1869
      @theoutsiderjess1869 4 года назад +8

      And micah made things worse

    • @thehardy2583
      @thehardy2583 4 года назад +4

      I always think that the gang should have taken Bronte's word. They should have scouted the place before blindly going in the trolley station.

    • @johnycakes6613
      @johnycakes6613 4 года назад +3

      Kalika Girdhar Taneja well maybe, maybe not. It was likely a trap and believe it or not the chaos they caused actually kept law off of them for however brief a time. Scouting may have gotten them directly caught.

    • @thehardy2583
      @thehardy2583 4 года назад +4

      @@johnycakes6613 well if they would have sent Abigail or any other gang member to scout, I think they wouldn't have been caught. Also after the massacre they should have just moved on.

  • @rfox513
    @rfox513 11 месяцев назад +128

    one of the most iconic thumbnails of our time

  • @landondover
    @landondover 4 года назад +521

    I'll never forget the scene with Dutch feeding Bronte to the gator and the looks on Arthur, Bill, and John's face and thinking "So this is where he starts losing his mind."

    • @treshaunedwards5942
      @treshaunedwards5942 3 года назад +24

      I remember playing the game for the first time and after that scene I was like, this is where Dutch lost his mind

    • @finn.25
      @finn.25 2 года назад +15

      From the beginning (as someone who hasn’t played rdr1) I really liked Dutch. He was a good character and a good guy. Then at this mission at the end I was fucking shocked. Like, “what the fuck did Dutch just do?!” Then it was just a downhill spiral.

    • @gamelandmaster3680
      @gamelandmaster3680 2 года назад +1

      @@finn.25 I could not agree more.

  • @TheGreatman12
    @TheGreatman12 4 года назад +282

    Yeah I think the combination of the head injury, losing all those people, getting lost on Guarma, and Micah whispering in his ear the whole time really messed him up to the point of no return. I like Dutch and I hated seeing him go down that path

    • @kjmug7680
      @kjmug7680 4 года назад +2

      He come to his senses in 1907

    • @charlessmith9198
      @charlessmith9198 4 года назад

      Kj Mug but then goes back to his killing ways in RDR1

    • @kjmug7680
      @kjmug7680 4 года назад +1

      BlackWolf 28 yeah, I’m not saying he doesn’t go crazy I just think that the head injury definitely has a factor

    • @SurferCaliSoca
      @SurferCaliSoca 4 года назад

      Same, agreed

    • @astrax2426
      @astrax2426 4 года назад +7

      Even before Guarma. I honestly lost faith when Dutch killed Bronte in cold blood. Then he did the same to the blind woman in Guarma. For example back in chapter 3 he didn't kill the Braithwaite woman (he pribably would've after chapter 4).

  • @rinzler1801
    @rinzler1801 4 года назад +517

    there was a lot of contributing factors to dutch’s descent into madness, the trolley crash, hosea’s death, and the gangs doubts severely damaging his ego being some of them. but like arthur said, he got found out for who he really was. a murdering charlatan with a false sense of moral superiority stringing along a group of outlaws to a promised land they had low chances of ever seeing just so they could avoid the consequences of all the things they had done. those parts of dutch’s character were always there, and i believe he was an unstable narcissist out for himself and those who follow him without question long before 1899. as the story goes on it just gets harder for him to repress his true nature.

    • @sm.sym1719
      @sm.sym1719 4 года назад +5

      @@fakeninja4447 I'm finding it hard to disagree, you gave a very detailed explanation and I'm very much with you on that one

    • @Hayteyu
      @Hayteyu 4 года назад

      Yes

    • @Hayteyu
      @Hayteyu 4 года назад +1

      @@fakeninja4447 no

    • @syntax2004
      @syntax2004 4 года назад +1

      @Matthew Coe Colm O'Driscoll or his brother himself killed Dutch love one.

    • @eazye857
      @eazye857 4 года назад +1

      @@fakeninja4447 you can hide who you are for that long to those closes to you it's been done before. He also may have save Sadie but he killed a woman in blackwater. He also left auther to di so he did leave what's basically his son to die

  • @diogoubermensch9255
    @diogoubermensch9255 3 года назад +1971

    The brain damage theory is interesting, but I think the character of Dutch has always been somewhat questionable. When Colm O'Driscoll captures and tortures Arthur, Dutch doesn't do shit. He returns to the camp and does not mobilize to try to find Arthur. This event was the starting point for me to begin to question Dutch's character and intentions.

    • @ZetsuboNoShima
      @ZetsuboNoShima 2 года назад +395

      Even before that , he needlessly murdered a woman during the black water Massacre , Dutch was always bad he just had a good support system. When it was gone he was left to stew on his own madness

    • @47hundo86
      @47hundo86 2 года назад +53

      Thank you bro💯 as the game progresses i started to see that Dutch was bout as fake as he was real 😭 kind of all over the place

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 2 года назад +202

      To be fair there, I don't think dutch even knew Arthur was kidnapped, the guys good at disappearing from camp for days on end

    • @Alvison1999O
      @Alvison1999O 2 года назад +18

      @@ZetsuboNoShima that's was enforced by mostly micah

    • @Alvison1999O
      @Alvison1999O 2 года назад +81

      Only a few hours has passed I don't think he knows that he's kidnapped and if he did know he was problably still figuring our what to do, but I don't think he knew.

  • @padraickennedy1232
    @padraickennedy1232 4 года назад +480

    "Dutch Van Der Linde the man we hate to hate"

    • @tahayousuf
      @tahayousuf 4 года назад +12

      You couldn't have said it better brother..

    • @tev0tv
      @tev0tv 4 года назад +45

      Micah Bell the man we love to hate.
      Arthur Morgan the man we love to love.

    • @tev0tv
      @tev0tv 4 года назад +41

      John Marston the man we wish could swim.

    • @M.D.R417
      @M.D.R417 4 года назад +8

      @@tev0tv I ligit thought it was a joke when they said it in the game but when I jumped in the water I found out the hard way

    • @SCP--cy7cd
      @SCP--cy7cd 4 года назад +1

      I even hate to hate me

  • @agustinrico3304
    @agustinrico3304 4 года назад +297

    After the trolley mission when Lenny takes Dutch back to the camp, he says “I don’t feel so good” as he looks ahead as if he’s not seeing anything. It kinda gave me chills to see that

  • @nataliefoxmartin
    @nataliefoxmartin 4 года назад +810

    Now that I’ve played through, when I start over, I can’t stand Dutch right from the beginning. I’m at Clemens Point right now and he walked by me in camp at night, and he literally says to Arthur that he “would be one to betray him.” I was like wooooooow already? You’re already being suspicious of me?

    • @thegrayyernaut
      @thegrayyernaut 4 года назад +151

      Dutch already complained about Arthur and Hosea being against him since the beginning, after the Blackwater job. Arthur and Hosea weren't on the ferry, so they kept wanting to know what happened, which irritated Dutch, making him act that way, thinking they want to betray him.

    • @PULVERIZER01
      @PULVERIZER01 3 года назад +65

      Yep, I heard that line "you'll betray me in the end Arthur, you're the type" man I wanted to punch him in the FACE

    • @laurene988
      @laurene988 3 года назад +59

      Dutch was always pitiful and insecure. Probably assumed since Arthur was the real backbone of the group that he wanted to overthrow him

    • @nbayoungboy765
      @nbayoungboy765 3 года назад

      POP POP song 🎶 video is the pop pop p pop ppppppppp POP

    • @arthurramirez5665
      @arthurramirez5665 3 года назад +7

      I think that's a line dutch only says if you have low honor. Hm.

  • @ripinefable
    @ripinefable 3 месяца назад +42

    This thumb nail created a ecosystem of reaction images😭

  • @maddierolland6377
    @maddierolland6377 4 года назад +245

    Dutch- "I took a nasty bump on the head."
    Arthur- "You'll be alright boyah."

  • @hyperbolicraider4848
    @hyperbolicraider4848 4 года назад +296

    “You either die a hero, or live, long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
    - Harvey Dent

    • @uni_tby
      @uni_tby 4 года назад

      im sorry thought of that crocadile cat meme

    • @Nigtarr99
      @Nigtarr99 4 года назад

      I suppose that's the case with dutch

    • @Ro-Ghost
      @Ro-Ghost 4 года назад +4

      But they were villans from the start...

    • @nepnep1802
      @nepnep1802 4 года назад +2

      @@Ro-Ghost not to themselves

    • @basedtvrk9125
      @basedtvrk9125 4 года назад +2

      @nep nep Doesn't every villain think they're the heroes?

  • @Uhhok3
    @Uhhok3 4 года назад +189

    Rest In Peace that dude in the wagon the trolly hit

  • @LastGenRichtofenn
    @LastGenRichtofenn Год назад +539

    Is there a lore reason as to why Dutch always has a plan?

    • @prinz4279
      @prinz4279 11 месяцев назад +2

      Is he not stupid?

    • @fred5406
      @fred5406 10 месяцев назад +67

      He just needs time

    • @leonardopinto6651
      @leonardopinto6651 10 месяцев назад +1

      Who is Dutch? Is he stupid or something?

    • @zenin7219
      @zenin7219 10 месяцев назад +46

      @@fred5406 ..and money

    • @beautifulmeeses
      @beautifulmeeses 10 месяцев назад +1

      Why did he listen to Micah? Is he stupid?

  • @tcp612ww3
    @tcp612ww3 4 года назад +777

    Arthur: “You keep killing folk, Dutch.”
    Also Arthur: kills the entire town of St. Denis

    • @benjamintan5399
      @benjamintan5399 4 года назад +53

      Domt forget valentine and rhodes

    • @tcp612ww3
      @tcp612ww3 4 года назад +6

      benjamin tan Oh, that too.

    • @101Elric
      @101Elric 4 года назад +51

      The citizens of St. Denis are filthy bastards that call the trigger happy 1-800-instant-firing-squad cops on you just for antagonizing one of them and walk in front of your horse all the time, they all deserve to be shot, hung, burned and butchered without mercy

    • @STUDproductionslp
      @STUDproductionslp 4 года назад +14

      I need those bandit challenges done tho lol

    • @professionalgamer6522
      @professionalgamer6522 4 года назад +26

      Player not Arthur

  • @joshuaroldan2858
    @joshuaroldan2858 4 года назад +202

    "You see a man coming unhinged, I see a man who got figured out for who he really is"-Arthur Morgan

    • @joshuamaas5380
      @joshuamaas5380 3 года назад +12

      Yuuup that's the reason he took in kids like Arthur and john because it breeds loyalty and blindness it's what a large amount of cults do even today scientologist take kids away to start training them young it's indoctrination

    • @the_corvid97
      @the_corvid97 3 года назад +4

      @@joshuamaas5380 Works with crime as well in real life, gangs typically recruit young people, even earlier than their pre-teens some times.

    • @maddog_rp
      @maddog_rp 3 года назад

      i agree j roldan

    • @greg1851
      @greg1851 3 года назад +2

      John said that

    • @18754KRS
      @18754KRS 3 года назад

      @@joshuamaas5380 soon my eggs will turn in to babies to which i will raise an army 🧛🏻‍♀️

  • @LordOfTheEyebots
    @LordOfTheEyebots 4 года назад +222

    Raid shadow legends ad stops at 2:39
    You’re welcome

  • @eternalmiasma5586
    @eternalmiasma5586 3 года назад +262

    “You keep killing folk, Dutch” damn there is a ton of lines from this game that just hit hard. “Gonna strange me next?” “We’re more ghosts than people” “you gotta find out what kinda man you want to be with the time you have left” tons of emotional one liners

    • @theCreature773
      @theCreature773 2 года назад +19

      If you play a low honor run for Arthur he’ll say “Or maybe we’ve all gone rotten..” in Guarma

    • @SpookyGhostHippy
      @SpookyGhostHippy Год назад +1

      Gave me chills

  • @shrekworshiper4965
    @shrekworshiper4965 4 года назад +188

    It’s not about the muneh, it’s about going to Tahiti and farming mangoes
    -Joker van der line

    • @dadguy8415
      @dadguy8415 3 года назад +13

      Do you know how I got this mangoes
      -Joker van der lin

    • @dustinderjager6893
      @dustinderjager6893 3 года назад +1

      @@dadguy8415 HAHAHAHA I don’t wann kill you! You give me faith! And faith is everything!
      Joker Van der Linde

    • @AliShuffle7500
      @AliShuffle7500 2 года назад

      Society must've fucked him up.

  • @theWardennn
    @theWardennn 4 года назад +619

    Remember, the first thing you upgrade in the base about Dutch is, "getting him something comfy". He is selfish man. Somehow, as the gang grew larger, he felt like a messiah promising the gang a land. He hated being doubted and questioned. He didn't listen to Arthur and Hosea in Blackwater, sided with Micah, a man who is a jester to a king. Always siding with his "bad decisions" never doubting him. This forced him to get drifted away from the gang and into the arms of Micah. Besides, all the times we are away from the camp as Arthur, Dutch spends his time with Micah. All, that, time. Think of all the ways Micah weaseled into Dutch's head. I mean of 3 times we ride with Micah, he has the courtesy to talk about John's wife Abigail. It is then he actually learns about how John went away for a year. The moment you give him the details, he concludes the conversation. From that point on, Dutch starts to get suspected of John. Hell, even I did (although I played RDR1). That 1 year gap of John and instantly coming back for no reason even to Arthur, the first job he does after coming back being the boat job in Blackwater... John was a perfect fall guy. Arthur being righteous and actually liking John got him to catch fire of suspicion too... Dutch, a man that acted wise but was never that wise unconsciously needed an explanation to all the plans he'd been making go south. He didn't suspect Micah, he was his jester.

    • @imgayasfand5615
      @imgayasfand5615 3 года назад +5

      Yeah it’s all sad what happened in the end 😔

    • @Michael-bn1oi
      @Michael-bn1oi 3 года назад +27

      Jesters actually existed to be the only person that could question and mock the king without fear of reprisal, because that were just a fool. Not someone to be taken seriously. Uncle is the Jester, Micah is a sycophant.

    • @michaelwhitehead4276
      @michaelwhitehead4276 3 года назад +1

      You are appreciated sir

    • @Wastelander1972
      @Wastelander1972 3 года назад +3

      Interestingly enough, I think it was John’s leaving for a year that got Arthur more on his side in the end. Arthur resented him for it at first, but as Dutch started slipping further and further away, I think Arthur grew to respect and understand his doing that.

    • @Duke-Nukem0069
      @Duke-Nukem0069 3 года назад +2

      I feel they did drugs in secret together too. Why he was so glued to Micah wouldn’t give up his connect. People in real life act just like Dutch too many people. Only way it makes sense to me and keeping the addict preacher around that wasn’t robbing or working around camp. Uncle actually did help from time to time in his own way, the preacher was really the only useless gang member. At the end of RD1 Dutch looks fried like the preacher. It caught up to him

  • @WindingShadows
    @WindingShadows Год назад +812

    Is there a lore reason as to why Dutch is vandalizing?

  • @paogonzies544
    @paogonzies544 Год назад +197

    yeah mr white, yeah psy ants

    • @i-ate-bread
      @i-ate-bread Год назад +12

      Yeah Mr White yeah sigh hens

    • @ITSGOOSLIME
      @ITSGOOSLIME 6 месяцев назад +2

      oppa gangnam style

  • @asjad2002
    @asjad2002 4 года назад +373

    "A Persistant repetition of words"
    I HAVE A PLAN
    WE NEED MONEY
    NOISE
    TAHITI
    HAVE YOU LOST FAITH?!?!

    • @memeznfishing9916
      @memeznfishing9916 4 года назад

      asjad2002 maybe there was a brain injury pre saint denis robbery that we didn’t know about. A very astute observation

    • @dodosandwich218
      @dodosandwich218 4 года назад +12

      JUST ONE MORE

    • @asjad2002
      @asjad2002 4 года назад +14

      Memeznfishing I recall Dutch starting to repeat these phrases more often after the failed trolley robbery

    • @blackpilloverdose1013
      @blackpilloverdose1013 4 года назад +2

      Insanity is literally by definition doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

    • @ItzJJayy
      @ItzJJayy 4 года назад +9

      AH THE DOUBTING

  • @ensarhasanic4963
    @ensarhasanic4963 Год назад +531

    Greatest injuried mind I ever knew

  • @homersimpson6585
    @homersimpson6585 4 года назад +179

    even as Dutch was drowning Bronte the gang members looked concerned, It's like they didn't expect him to do that. If Micah was there maybe but he wasn't. It looks like they knew something was off

    • @ripgasbaron9716
      @ripgasbaron9716 3 года назад +25

      Arthur's face is one of pure horror, as if he was seeing a supernatural event or a massive tragedy.

  • @ulfsark78
    @ulfsark78 3 года назад +122

    Another long term effect he suffered from was problems concentrating. Several times he'd demand that he just needs time to think.

  • @TwoRandomAuzzies
    @TwoRandomAuzzies 4 года назад +233

    I personally think he does. Absolutely. After he gets his head injury, he started to descend (Mentality wise). Irrational thinking increased. His distrust increased. Bell in his ear all the time, and the loss of Hosea didn't help things either. But yes, the head injury definitely contributed.

    • @alexmendoza7221
      @alexmendoza7221 4 года назад +3

      I see what you did there, or did Rockstar did that (Micah "BELL").

    • @GuitarHeroHardyMaste
      @GuitarHeroHardyMaste 4 года назад +4

      there is also an interaction you can find with dutch just sitting alone in the bayou i believe where he is just repeating an imaginary chess game in the exact same sequence over and over until you interact with him. dont know if it is so much is related to brain damage as it is him finally losing it and micah ramping up dutch's ego by making him think himself of some sort of mastermind.

    • @glowhoo9226
      @glowhoo9226 4 года назад +1

      Things would’ve been different had Arthur just let micah die in that jail.
      Hell if I was Arthur I would’ve just shot micah somewhere in the woods and told Dutch that I was too late to save him.

    • @GuitarHeroHardyMaste
      @GuitarHeroHardyMaste 4 года назад

      first thing i tried to do was shoot micah in the town after i broke him out lol

  • @richardbaker308
    @richardbaker308 3 года назад +880

    What i dont get is the amount of trust Dutch has for Micah when he's only known him for at best 6 to 8 months before Arthur dies. He's known Arthur his whole life.

    • @thorsal6208
      @thorsal6208 3 года назад +199

      It's bcs Arthur is on John's side. And he always thought John is a traitor bcs Micah manipulated him

    • @Scriff779
      @Scriff779 3 года назад +244

      It's mostly because Micah fed Dutch's ego by telling him everything he wanted to hear, as well as supporting even the worst ideas. In the meantime, Arthur is trying to help Dutch see that his plans weren't proper, leading to Dutch's mental state allowing him to be manipulated and used.

    • @pspspspsps44
      @pspspspsps44 3 года назад +40

      He wanted arthur and everyone else to blindly follow him, When Arthur knew he was dying he could for the first time see dutch clearly, and not blindly follow him which led Dutch to suspect arthur and john not to mention also because Arthur told him he met with agent Milton earlier in the game.

    • @maddog_rp
      @maddog_rp 3 года назад +1

      yes i agree richard baker

    • @rubenmichaels6722
      @rubenmichaels6722 3 года назад

      THANK YOU

  • @eddykidplayzyt
    @eddykidplayzyt Год назад +167

    Thumbnails a god tier reaction image

    • @ElwindMage
      @ElwindMage Год назад +29

      ok buddy black lung.

    • @Sychyov
      @Sychyov Год назад +29

      Erectile Dysfunction?

    • @Sychyov
      @Sychyov Год назад +22

      Post Nut Clarity??

  • @_heavyweaponsguy
    @_heavyweaponsguy Год назад +294

    Is there a lore reason why Arturd has tuberculosis? Does he have a *lung injury?*

    • @skojebus7874
      @skojebus7874 Год назад +9

      is he stupid?

    • @plasterr
      @plasterr Год назад +20

      a guy with tuberculosis coughed blood on arthur

    • @bartsimpson1069
      @bartsimpson1069 Год назад +18

      no way mr mcgill you got me from 6 months county jail down to 3 weeks on probation

    • @georgewhite4930
      @georgewhite4930 Год назад +14

      chicanery is surfacing, chuck alert

    • @_heavyweaponsguy
      @_heavyweaponsguy Год назад +23

      @@georgewhite4930 okbuddyblacklung moment

  • @KobeAndersonCactus
    @KobeAndersonCactus Год назад +102

    The dude who made the thumbnail is this generation's Oppenheimer

    • @nurgle-j5n
      @nurgle-j5n 9 месяцев назад

      wow i dont think this youtuber is a jewish mass murderer. that's uncalled for

    • @LtDub
      @LtDub 9 месяцев назад +18

      @@nurgle-j5nbrain injury?

    • @Totally_nothing_there
      @Totally_nothing_there 8 месяцев назад +4

      what did he mean by this?

    • @VelhoTeste
      @VelhoTeste Месяц назад

      ​@@nurgle-j5n...why is him being a jew relevant again?

  • @spekalluke5739
    @spekalluke5739 4 года назад +69

    He was always bad, but the head injury + Micah + gang members dying (especially Hosea) turned him over - a bad man trying to be good but failing

  • @amarismorgan195
    @amarismorgan195 4 года назад +447

    It really bother me how he didnt take the gold bar back from the old lady's body

  • @ginormousgarbanzos1710
    @ginormousgarbanzos1710 Год назад +118

    Why do all these comments say "braille in jury"? Are they stupid?

    • @sapphosteacup444
      @sapphosteacup444 9 месяцев назад +1

      They have braille in jury too I guess 😂

    • @OkAlways-tp7lu
      @OkAlways-tp7lu Месяц назад +1

      Collective Brain injury. All of us 😔

  • @embersmae
    @embersmae 4 года назад +248

    My brother recently recovered from a concussion and the symptoms are spot on. It's really sad :(

    • @plunger8343
      @plunger8343 4 года назад +20

      I hope your brother is ok

    • @devon7221
      @devon7221 3 года назад +9

      I've had two concussions I didn't know they were that bad

    • @devon7221
      @devon7221 3 года назад +8

      I think they may have messed my eyesight up

    • @trax680
      @trax680 3 года назад +54

      Has he started having an odd craving for noise, faith, mangos, money and having a god damn plan?

    • @kriscorner9390
      @kriscorner9390 3 года назад +2

      This is very late but I wish your brother well. My deepest condolences.

  • @mant3_368
    @mant3_368 4 года назад +119

    One of my favorite lines From Arthur is When he said "Once Dutch got mad at me when I robbed a poor guys house, he said that that makes us worse" I cant remember it fully

    • @vagifabdulla142
      @vagifabdulla142 3 года назад +26

      When Landon Ricketts first meets John in RDR after he kills a bunch of thugs, he says something really similar: "You kill peasants, you become a peasant".

    • @cmcproductions26
      @cmcproductions26 3 года назад +12

      "He let fly at me, for robbing this house. Saying "that man was too poor"..."

  • @greeny5549
    @greeny5549 4 года назад +80

    That scene in Guarma is what really made me realise that Dutch was finally off his rocker.

    • @tmack3256
      @tmack3256 3 года назад +19

      what made me realize dutch was a real traitor is when you go with eagle flies to blow up that factory the army captian is about to kill you and arthur says dutch I need help and he walks off and denies the whole thing when arthur said something about it and tried to wisdom word his way out the situation

    • @ChillGamerLad
      @ChillGamerLad Год назад

      mine was bronte

    • @Silverswitch1
      @Silverswitch1 Год назад

      Mine was when he kept talking about just needing one more job.

  • @brokenbiscuit3609
    @brokenbiscuit3609 3 года назад +226

    I know this isn't really connected to the topic, but hearing you talk about Colm makes me remember the mission where he gets hung.
    Seeing the hope leave his eyes and seeing it get replaced by fear is absolutely amazing.

    • @hibye696
      @hibye696 2 года назад +1

      Weirdo

    • @Hellraiser988
      @Hellraiser988 2 года назад

      It felt nice watching colm hang he earned it

    • @braxtonpass5052
      @braxtonpass5052 Год назад +17

      @@hibye696 did you not play the mission where Arthur gets tortured

    • @theonlybigsmoke
      @theonlybigsmoke Год назад

      @@hibye696 ?

  • @sooryan_1018
    @sooryan_1018 Год назад +375

    *BRAIN INJURY?*

  • @TotallyNotJustCynical
    @TotallyNotJustCynical 2 года назад +131

    I'll never not want to cry when I hear Dutch say "I.. ain't got too much to say no more."
    I feel like you can hear Dutch's remorse and sorrow in his voice.

    • @angeliquetorre5652
      @angeliquetorre5652 2 года назад +5

      That's interesting, I always interpreted it as him feeling betrayed by Arthur - which shows his complete warping of everything and narcissistic tendencies

    • @goinbelowzero14
      @goinbelowzero14 Год назад

      i wanted to cry but then i remembered he kinda went psychotic and went from Arthur whom he'd known for his whole life basically to Micah who he knew for like 8 months by the end of the game

    • @egg0534
      @egg0534 Год назад +3

      I'll never not want to cry when I hear Dutch say "I'm gonna Dutch all over the place"
      I feel like you can hear Dutch's remorse and sorrow in his voice.

    • @NotAGoodUsername360
      @NotAGoodUsername360 10 месяцев назад

      He also has very few lines in RDR1... he still doesn't have much to say to John, other than basically admitting he's wandering aimlessly looking for a badass way to die.

  • @insertnamehere8470
    @insertnamehere8470 Год назад +224

    Braille in jury?

  • @stuartmcadams4580
    @stuartmcadams4580 2 года назад +367

    Just a note here: As someone who has had a concussion I can say that the symptoms of irritability and personality shifts are very temporary. Most of the go away after the first couple days. I think the brain injury is supposed to be a red herring, while the absence of Hosea and the manipulation of Micah are the true culprits.

    • @shroomshroom5945
      @shroomshroom5945 Год назад +63

      Brain injuries can absolutely cause permanent personality shifts. It has been documented. Idk if it did for Dutch, but it definitely happens

    • @docferringer
      @docferringer Год назад +19

      Shroom is right, everyone's concussion symptoms and how those symptoms resolve (if they ever do) varies between patient to patient. I knew a woman who had 5 concussions in her life. Her symptoms were not only different each time, but also lasted longer after each concussion. Hers evolved from headaches and dizziness after the first one to 6 months of medical leave for dizziness, nausea, extreme light sensitivity, poor judgement...you get the idea. I think that was the lightest of her concussions. It shows you just how fast the repeated brain injuries can pile onto one another even after years of supposedly being healed.
      If you want some more examples, check out the NFL. Their players show up in the news for things the NFL likes to brush off as traumatic brain injuries, like beating up your girlfriend on camera or running a dog fighting ring. I sort of went off topic there. lol It's just something to keep in mind in case you encounter concussed people in your friends and family. A concussion is a wide-reaching illness.

    • @justsomeguy2743
      @justsomeguy2743 Год назад +2

      I’ve had two concussions and what you’ve said is right, however he is clearly suffering from something else plus concussions have different severity’s so I’ve had two minor concussions (still not good) whereas Dutch could be suffering a severe one

    • @Nylak-Otter
      @Nylak-Otter Год назад +4

      I've had severe traumatic brain injuries, and it did change my personality. I got much meaner internally and my frustration threshold drastically lowered. I am also well-armed and absolutely shouldn't be.
      However, it's done nothing to change my behavior, and I'm actually much more friendly and kinder now because I don't overthink about much anymore. If it's a human or an animal, I am kind to it, no exceptions. It actually helped me take the final step from vegetarianism to veganism that I couldn't before the brain damage became severe, because I'd always justify slipping.
      Sometimes now I just need to leave the room if one of my dogs in rehabilitation training won't stop attacking me before I snap and hurt it back, or if someone won't stop screaming at me.
      You can control it, you just need to be aware of it, which is very hard in pressing situations. I could see Dutch having brain damage, but I also think he's a horrible and loathsome creature.

    • @yami2957
      @yami2957 Год назад

      How does one treat a concussion? Is there a specific treatment?

  • @skeletalgamer1013
    @skeletalgamer1013 3 года назад +369

    Dutch when he was born: M...
    His mom: he's going to say mama!
    Dutch: *MUNEH*

  • @batibotgaming2484
    @batibotgaming2484 4 года назад +168

    his brain already damaged when he did the blackwater heist with micah

    • @phoneticjuliet_1017
      @phoneticjuliet_1017 4 года назад +12

      WiLz Albano he may have had a psychiatric break then but after that he goes back to normal, I say normal in the sense of Dutch being somewhat reasonable at least for a bit till the pressure and brain injury fully unhinge him and him being more or less brainwashed from Micah boosting his ego.

    • @syntax2004
      @syntax2004 4 года назад +2

      Micah was parasite at first place, Arthur and others want Micah go somewhere else so badly.

    • @jr_5270
      @jr_5270 4 года назад

      What happend during blackwater

    • @legendaydin
      @legendaydin 4 года назад +1

      Jr_ e9a they tried to rob a ferry and it backfired and turned into one of the biggest shootings in history and many people died except Landon rickets and Micah was the one that told everyone about the ferry

  • @robertc.7089
    @robertc.7089 4 года назад +347

    *Old Lady Guide pulls knife on Dutch and Arthur, requesting gold*
    “Dutch, Why did you kill that old lady!?”
    “Well Arthur, I had a feeling she was going to betray us.”

    • @zerodamnation055
      @zerodamnation055 4 года назад +1

      Yeah

    • @derhannes6090
      @derhannes6090 4 года назад +61

      I was like: Arthur didn't you see da fucking knife!?

    • @malleableconcrete
      @malleableconcrete 4 года назад +47

      @Jackson Hulse I don't think it was beyond the realm of possibility that Dutch could have handled a feeble old woman with or without a knife without outright killing her.

    • @synvirtus5605
      @synvirtus5605 4 года назад +10

      Sadie pulled a knife out on Dutch and micah during the beginning, he could of killed her.

    • @meteoroloji8952
      @meteoroloji8952 3 года назад +14

      @Jackson Hulse Yeah that's exaclty what I tought too. Like I get it they are trying to show that he's losing it but consider that his heist plan just failed, 2 of his friends died in the proccess, 1 in jail, 1 captured and on top of all that they are stranded on a random island with no clear way out. Any wrong decision could kill them easily it's understandable to not wanting to take any risks.
      But then he didn't take back the gold bar from the lady and yeah apparently he did have a brain damage.

  • @lukky6648
    @lukky6648 Год назад +49

    BRAIN INJURY⁉️⁉️⁉️

  • @Deadpoolio47
    @Deadpoolio47 4 года назад +109

    I got to speak to Arthur’s voice actor last year at comic con, he said he believes Dutch lost his mind when Hozea died.

    • @Josiah_Trelawny1
      @Josiah_Trelawny1 3 года назад +9

      The game was several years in development and the voice actors for each gang member were also several years into Mocap and reading dialogue, etc. I suspect that Roger Clark (Arthur's voice actor) got a whole script about the history and background of each gang member.
      If he said that, he just wants you to believe it and keep the myth alive.

    • @EagleEye-rw5pn
      @EagleEye-rw5pn 3 года назад +1

      @@Josiah_Trelawny1 what?

    • @Josiah_Trelawny1
      @Josiah_Trelawny1 3 года назад +1

      @@EagleEye-rw5pn you cant read?

    • @EagleEye-rw5pn
      @EagleEye-rw5pn 3 года назад +1

      @@Josiah_Trelawny1 i can read i Just doesn't understand what you mean

    • @Josiah_Trelawny1
      @Josiah_Trelawny1 3 года назад +2

      @@EagleEye-rw5pn he worked several years for Rockstar so he was involved in the developing of the game, so he knows whats motivation is behind Dutchs decisions.

  • @missrenegadexoxo3507
    @missrenegadexoxo3507 4 года назад +107

    When I was around 11 or 12 I hit my head on the grass pretty hard. I was a little shaken but not much. I didn’t think too much of it. I went to my normal doctor and they said I had a small concussion and that it should clear in a couple weeks. So we went with it. I didn’t realize that my depression, anxiety, and Headaches were an affect from it. Years later.. I’m 18 now. I finally decided to see what was going on. I want to a specialist in Chicago. We did a brain make and he told me. I still had A TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury); that was only 10% healed... and that it was a major contributor to my head aches, adhd, depression and anxiety. He said since I’ve already had two. On my third one I would be 8times more likely to get another one. And after that 15x as likely. Your brain is not something you mess with. You only get one.

    • @claytonveno3710
      @claytonveno3710 4 года назад +6

      Agreed that you only have one brain but then again we all know Dutch always has a PLAN!!!!! for everything LOL or perhaps it was Uncle's LUMBAGO!!! that led to his fall to madness who really knows.

    • @humbertotan9286
      @humbertotan9286 4 года назад

      Did they scan your brain?

    • @sansguerra2265
      @sansguerra2265 4 года назад

      Sorry about that.

    • @rubenskywalkerredlanternda5620
      @rubenskywalkerredlanternda5620 4 года назад

      When I first started taking wrestling classes I suffered a head injury by accident it really hurts sometimes

    • @madamebkrt
      @madamebkrt 4 года назад +2

      I once accidentally slammed my head on a solid wall really hard when I was about 13, and now your story has made me wonder if I've developed something because of that...

  • @SHRIKEACOLUIS
    @SHRIKEACOLUIS 4 года назад +89

    In my personal opinion, even though Dutch did get hit hard in the head, I do t think the injury really contributed much. I believe that even before Blackwater and even growing up he was always a bit off with a couple marbles rolling around, but maintained it. In a chapter 3 mission when Arthur, Dutch and Hosea go fishing, Dutch mentions his childhood and how he was a bit of a disruptive child. Dutch has a good side, but I believe what he became was everything that was bottled up inside of him from his past and the events of the story. Blackwater goes wrong, He got screwed over by Bronte trying to make “fool” out of him, He loses his best friend, they lose all the money from the Saint Denis bank in the Atlantic, get stranded in Guarma in a crazy revolution, and Micah in his ear making him more parniod. PTSD can cause such paranoia and how nothing was going good for the gang drove him mad thinking they could still survive.

    • @aaahah9931
      @aaahah9931 4 года назад

      PTSD*

    • @fristnamelastname5549
      @fristnamelastname5549 4 года назад +1

      So simplify your comment. Dutch had PTSD long before getting knocked on the head. Failure after Failure, Dutch was trying to find someone else to put the blame on, instead for him self.

    • @lucasmartinez5703
      @lucasmartinez5703 3 года назад

      All the trolley incident did was "make him more into who he really is."

  • @nickstevens3894
    @nickstevens3894 Год назад +90

    Braille in jury 🤨

  • @lewisofthehoood
    @lewisofthehoood 4 года назад +797

    Everybody gangsta till the special ed kid starts talking of a plan

  • @dani.phantm
    @dani.phantm 4 года назад +213

    Dr. Phil: “Are you delusional? Have you suffered brain damage?”

    • @Spino.007
      @Spino.007 4 года назад +3

      Dr. Phil isn't a doctor!

    • @Laesis
      @Laesis 4 года назад +4

      @@Spino.007 You're commenting this on a 5 month old comment. He didn't even claim that. It's what they call him. Just get out of here...

    • @ClaytonTheCracker
      @ClaytonTheCracker 4 года назад +5

      "I got a plan Phil"

    • @eliaskjrbo8142
      @eliaskjrbo8142 3 года назад

      TO JOHN MARSTON’S RANCH

  • @TheRealSparkplugTheFox
    @TheRealSparkplugTheFox 4 года назад +109

    It's likely a frontal lobe injury, that's where your impulse control is, get that injured and you'll see tremendous changes of character/personality

    • @ralcogaming7674
      @ralcogaming7674 2 года назад +3

      I know a guy who had a tumor removed from his frontal lobe, his wife and daughter were talking about him having random outbursts so I looked it up and sent it to the wife. It's a type of dementia that occurs often in people who've had any surgery preformed on their frontal lobe. They got him help shortly after and he's doing better not great but better.

  • @jaredrussell3510
    @jaredrussell3510 2 года назад +47

    Also remember concussions can lead to TBIs ( Traumatic Brain Injury) which are usually permanent or take years to get over. Remember the brain never really "heals" it reorganizes path ways at an attempt to fix things.

    • @tigerlily536
      @tigerlily536 Год назад +2

      This! Symptoms of TBI sounds VERY compelling to how much Dutch snaps after the Trolley Incident. There was already a lot leading towards his change before this incident, but this event really showed loss of some of the traits that had previously held Dutch in some level of sanity.

  • @Flow_boi
    @Flow_boi 4 года назад +58

    Finding out Molly didnt even say anything and died for nothing also got me depressed

  • @weed3728
    @weed3728 4 года назад +73

    You seriously never fail to catch my interest with your RDR2 videos keep em coming man ! RDR1 & RDR2 has so much content and I know you investigate really well I’m glad i subscribed

  • @themanthrmyththelegend
    @themanthrmyththelegend 3 месяца назад +22

    So this is the video that started it all

    • @ripinefable
      @ripinefable 3 месяца назад +10

      Outblacklunged again?

  • @baiborisxd
    @baiborisxd Год назад +134

    Brain Injury?

  • @justsomeguyontheinternet3822
    @justsomeguyontheinternet3822 4 года назад +43

    "I know human *BEANS"*
    -Dutch van der linde 1899

  • @sunofgun07
    @sunofgun07 4 года назад +318

    The Van Der Linde Gang would have survived if they played Raid: Shadow Legends

    • @MonotoniTV
      @MonotoniTV 4 года назад +9

      Too bad it didn't exist back then. But it does now. So I would recommend to play Raid: Shadow Legends a game about....

    • @machu25
      @machu25 4 года назад

      Lmao

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      @soopersalty4657 4 года назад +2

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  • @thepowerofsand6180
    @thepowerofsand6180 Год назад +26

    Kid named Bane Jury:

  • @michaelgriffith5747
    @michaelgriffith5747 2 года назад +40

    Several of the symptoms you didn't circle are also apparent. For example, back at the camp people ask Dutch questions and he struggles focus enough to answer them and then wonders off.

  • @Lusiggy
    @Lusiggy 8 месяцев назад +37

    Thumbnail is a top tier reaction image

    • @ModestPigeone
      @ModestPigeone 5 месяцев назад +3

      I’ve used it so many times

  • @matt4048
    @matt4048 Год назад +72

    I first watched this video just before - less than a week - before the title card became a Breaking Bad meme.

    • @girthychan9552
      @girthychan9552 Год назад +10

      Pretty much same lol. In fact I found this channel (and rdr2 for that matter) just before the meme took off

  • @billsutherby
    @billsutherby 2 года назад +72

    I think evidence of Dutch's true self come out in the opening minutes of the game. When you first get to Colter and Dutch gives his speech to try and boost morale of the gang, you can hear his voice kinda cracking and he almost sounds like he might break a bit as he is pleading for everyone to have faith in him and stay with him.
    I think Dutch was perilously close to breaking then and there because he feared the gang would mutiny against him for failing them as their leader. If not for Micah having found the Adler homestead, they might have been screwed. As there, they found a bit of food and supplies, as well as learned of Colm O'Driscoll's plans and gang location. This might also lend more credence to why Dutch seems to put so much trust in Micah throughout the story. I think Dutch feels like Micah saved his life on the mountain. Micah certainly help Dutch re-solidify his leadership of the gang and helped restore their faith in him if any were wavering in Colter.

    • @Theasaurus2
      @Theasaurus2 Год назад +9

      That speech really stood out to me on replays, because of how he refocuses things on himself so intentionally - “ _I_ would throw _myself_ in the ground,” etc.
      I think you’re right, he’s always had almost a messiah complex but has hidden it really well

    • @xavierkazoo1619
      @xavierkazoo1619 Год назад

      That would have been the second time Micah would have saved Dutch then.
      Dutch has somewhat of a superiority complex so blind, unquestioning loyalty that Micah pretends to give him is worth more than Arthur's life whenever he questions Van Der Linde

  • @rural33
    @rural33 3 года назад +68

    Well Dutch was already “changed” when that happened. I believe it was a huge mix of things; on the account of getting old and senile, the brain injury, life of crime getting the better of him, Micah’s manipulation, life becoming civilized and changing, so many enemies including the whole of the U.S. Government who are getting better at tracking them down, loss of close members, constantly getting doubted

  • @oidunn4
    @oidunn4 4 года назад +37

    This was my exact theory. He started going off the rails after he hit his head, and since I’ve known people who have had TBI’s (traumatic brain injuries), he was a perfect example of someone who sustained one.

    • @theded17
      @theded17 4 года назад +2

      True the can cause mood swings like in guarma

    •  4 года назад

      @Owen Dunn Nonsense comment! He probably had a concussion! But he did not sustain an enduring traumatic brain injury, everything points against this! What would this be, a bleed, but such symptoms he does not show at all!

    • @oidunn4
      @oidunn4 4 года назад +4

      @ I had a TBI (traumatic brain injury) and I didn’t bleed at all. I was dazed for a few minutes afterwards, and it’s taken me years to recover. I’m still recovering. Yes, it was diagnosed.

    • @jeffythedinosaur2792
      @jeffythedinosaur2792 3 года назад +1

      He started losing it before the start
      He killed a mom in a bad way in Blackwater
      He even said Arthur would betray him way early
      Killed odriscqls at the beginning of the game
      And killed Bronte for revenge without thinking of selling him

    • @sythesz
      @sythesz 2 года назад

      Off the rails? Haha. Get it!
      JUST LIKE DUTCH WENT OFF THE RAILS. IN CHAPTER 4, URBAN PLEASURES.

  • @cocopops2193
    @cocopops2193 4 года назад +84

    When you're walking up to the cabin miach is in on mount hagen you can see a rat running past the cabin. Edit: thanks for the likes

    • @parkertoth4703
      @parkertoth4703 4 года назад +4

      COCO POPS I noticed that the other day on my third play through haha

    • @rickperry3165
      @rickperry3165 4 года назад +10

      Just before I approach the cabin, I shoot an arrow into that rat lol.
      Also, if you stand at a distance from the cabin where Dutch and micah are at, you can throw a molotov at the cabin door. Micah comes out when the cutscene starts and you'll notice his burgundy leather coat is all singed from being burned. It's quite funny.

    • @danklord4315
      @danklord4315 4 года назад +2

      Also during saint denis heist. There’s talk of a rat in the MIDDLE of a fight then later when they are in a hideout they talk about the topic it cuts a lot to Micah and Arthur.

    • @cocopops2193
      @cocopops2193 4 года назад +3

      @@rickperry3165 I'll make sure to throw a molotov at the rat and the bigger rat

    • @cocopops2193
      @cocopops2193 4 года назад

      @@parkertoth4703 lol

  • @ciaranmcguinness8900
    @ciaranmcguinness8900 4 года назад +62

    "Are you going to strangle me next?"
    I have never heard that dialogue up until now, which I assume happens if you have high honour, Arthur has always said "Or maybe we've all just gone rotten" for me. And my honour was low but it was always teetering at the halfway point until chapter 6 when I got high honour

    • @pikihoes4345
      @pikihoes4345 3 года назад

      I got that dialogue, yeah i think it depends on the amount of honor you have

    • @Taima
      @Taima 2 года назад

      Was Dutch's response the same either way? Feels like it would be.

    • @noobstalker1
      @noobstalker1 2 года назад

      @@Taima only Arthur’s dialogue changes dutches stays the same

  • @leonardopinto6651
    @leonardopinto6651 10 месяцев назад +18

    Okay, so this is how it started

  • @severinposey6926
    @severinposey6926 4 года назад +143

    Plot twist: Arthur sustained brain damage and went into a coma and imagined the rest of the story

    • @Mythus_Scholaris
      @Mythus_Scholaris 3 года назад +5

      Hey that would mean he’s be alive

    • @thorsal6208
      @thorsal6208 3 года назад +1

      @@Mythus_Scholaris probably, he never wakes up and died

  • @l30nitu56
    @l30nitu56 4 года назад +110

    Hosea’s death probably had a lot to do with it.

  • @sunofgun07
    @sunofgun07 6 месяцев назад +19

    this is where it all started

  • @ratlord6192
    @ratlord6192 4 года назад +65

    Dutch gets plenty of sleep disturbances from me that’s for sure.