The Possible Truth Behind Micah Bell - Red Dead Redemption 2
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2019
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I have changed the title & thumbnail from that spoiler. Please accept my apology for the poor titling beforehand, though this isn't much better, at least it doesn't spoil the game for people outright. Now I'd imagine my comments will fill up with our regular program of people complaining about the fact that I gave a spoiler warning at all, as opposed to recklessly spoiling the game in the title.
What was the old title
@@coolguy5412 Very naughty.
@@coolguy5412 It was basically spoiling most of the game
What's the name of instrumental at the beginning of video???
Was it (scroll down its a big spoiler)
"Did Micah deserve to die"?
In my current playthrough, Micah is still rotting in jail and Mr. Downes is happily living with his debt. Life is beautiful.
You're a good man
@@porcodanet4857 Downes stll has tuberculosis
Unfortunately Strauss forces you to do that mission no matter what you do. I've tried, and he just forced me into the mission
@@emtee7138 I know, I collected debt from the others and now I'm just roaming world and hunting, doing side quests, exploring.
@saniyar parmou why are you getting angry for no reason
When he called Arthur "Black Lung" never in my life did i want to shoot a character in a video game more badly in my life
''ohh i have waited for this a long time black lung''
“Your losing to a dead man.”
@@stickman8459 you're*
What's Crackn? *ur
@@lawrencewashington9901 nah
The actor of Bill Williamson said that the actor of Micah would constantly practice with his guns while they were on break or in the waiting room. Like when he would be talking to someone or at the vending machine he’d practice wielding them and such. The actor put a lot of work to make Micah look cool with the guns
And it shows too, especially in the Rhodes battle. Say what you want about Micah, I do think he probably was the best shot in the gang. I mean look how he had John pin downed in the final mission.
@@ThaYoungChad i'd say probably one of the best, he still lost when contesting arthur on beaver hollow when both of them withdrew their weapon, arthur was faster even with TB and near his death, but for john, i agree since it's not his prime
Thanks cowpoke!
@@ThaYoungChadHosea would like a word with you.
He missed John several times when he was right in front of him. I do admit Micah is skilled but not accurate
One of the reasons I like Guarma so much is because the game made it seem, in my eyes at least, that Micah was scared because for once he wasn’t in control which is why he wasn’t an ass to anyone while he was there
This is late but I noticed when everyone is surprised to see Arthur there, Micah just laughs. And it's not a "holy shit you're alive" laugh it's more of a "this bastard really won't die" type of laugh
Interesting lil detail I noticed
In life I've seen people exploit a bad situation to make it worse and in the process just *looking out for themselves* that's Micah.
He’s a survivor …. Member black lung 🫁
@@BobaBushido Yes, it seems you are the only other person who noticed he laughs besides me
He was rude to Arthur in the camp in Guarma if you do smalltalk
Dutch: I’m begging you Arthur get Micah out of jail..
Arthur: no
*credits roll up*
*plays that's the way it is*
I like how he wanted to save Micah but not John
It shows how much Dutch cared about Micah. When Marston went to jail, Dutch was fine letting him get hanged. Dutch's trust of Micah is what doomed him in the end.
I'm imagining it where Arthur stands on a small hill like luke Skywalker and just says "nah" and then cruel cruel world starts playing as John, Sean, lenny and hoseah start dancing
@@funguy156 dude thats fucking hilarious i had to give you written credit 1 month later
He's just lucky Arthur was pretty much dead when Micah finally got the balls to fight him. A full healthy Arthur would have slaughtered that man
Even half dead, Arthur came pretty close to beating Micah's ass. He probably would've shot him and won if Dutch hadn't stepped on his hand when he was reaching for the gun.
@@janewolf6390 But did Micah shoot Arthur?
ApoSebo depends on the honour level u were on
@@asdontoistda7684 I meant during the fight Micah didn't shoot Arthur.When Arthur was fighting the pinkertons Micah didn't shoot him. He went hand to hand with him
Arthur even makes fun of him during the fight and he says something along the lines of "can't even kill a dying man"
Something I think that has been missed by most and I believe to be a real clue to the truth behind Micah being the rat is the fact that he wore white during the bank robbery. This is a nod to some old movie where the inside guy wears a white suit so the good guys will know which one is their guy so they won't shoot him by mistake.
Very interesting
Which movie is this? I'd like to see it.
@@philipgutierrez2999 I honestly don't remember, I just remember the concept was probably used more than once.
He didn't narc on the bank though. Even the pinkertons said he started narcing after they got back from guarma.
@@makojuicedaniel9307 He might just trying to be extra like he always is.
The moment I realized Micah was the traitor: In the mission where you get kidnapped by Colm O'Driscoll, he says he came for you specifically. It was only You, Micah, and Dutch on that mission, so who told them you were going to be there? Who urged you to go on the mission to begin with?
Initially, I thought it was Dutch who turned on Arthur as a result of Micah's poisonous tongue. Early at Horseshoe Overlook, Dutch says that Arthur is the type to betray him...curious thing to say given Arthur's life has been with Dutch and the gang. Then when Dutch left Arthur to be killed at Heartland Oil Fields, I was convinced Dutch was the mole...alas, I was wrong.
I don't know. You can always tell when Micah was lying. The actor who played him would do his "bad acting" impression, but you can talk to Micah about the o'driscoll trap and he seemed very genuine. He was confused how Colm just left the parlay with no conclusion and he was also confused about how Arthur didn't meet with them at the crossroads after the peace talk. At this point I'd say he was not a traitor.
@@kendrickmelville5804 Checked this with the Ultimate game manual. I got that dialogue too. But I think you get those negative socials from gang members (including Dutch) if the camp supplies are yellow or worse case red. If you keep the camp's food/medical & other supply icons in the green, then 100% of the gang member socials with Arthur will be positive ones. Even Micah who sounds defensive/neutral and that's even with you making Arthur troll him with a hostile response.
I think the entire time Micah was working both sides. Weather it was Pinkertons, local law, other gangs or families. Whoever the gang had a problem with or could have a problem with he made sure he was on both sides and made sure it got worse in his favor. I’d love a DLC or something where you play as Micah. Give some more insight on how much of a rat he really is
@@nobot6177 THIS. This has to be the most based reply I've seen to date in the comments on this video on Micah. Ever since Micah met Dutch. And whenever Micah wasn't imprisoned aka AWAY from the gang. From time he got snatched & jailed by law in Strawberry up to when Arthur bailed him out, THE GANG HAD BEEN DOING FINE. Even with they first robbed Cornwall. NO MICAH TO SNEAK BACK TO LEVITICUS AND/OR LAW TO LEAK GANG LOCATION OR IDENTITIES. Shit really started hitting the fan after Arthur bailed his rat ass out of Strawberry. THAT'S when the Pinkertons knew EXACTLY what location to find the gang when they came across Arthur & Jack's fishing trip. From that point to Guam, Pinkertons, local law enforcement, Braithwaite & Greys were ALL onto the gang's ass. Too many coincidences not to see Micah had been playing both sides of the field.
When Arthur was crawling to the gun I never pushed A on my controller so fast in my life
😂😂😂😂
My controller broke cuz of it:/
Reminds me of the final boss fight with Shephard from MW2
My finger hurt after that 🤣
@The Last Soviet
That’s a damn Lie
The only time he ever touches Arthur is when he's at Death's door. He never touches John. Coward.
The only thing he touches that belong to John are the bullets that ended him
Because he knows John would fucking demolish him. Arthur is level headed, John is not. Especially when someone fucks with his family
@@brancolt_ John was young and irrational here in RDR2. In RDR1 however his daddy instincts kicked in and he became more mature.
I think Micah held some respect towards Arthur which is why he never fucked with him. Until Arthur got sick though, Micah saw him as weak and lost all respect he had towards him
ᴏ ᴜ ᴛ ʟ ᴀ ᴡ_ ᴋ ɪ ɴ ɢ Yes but he’s still got a very short fuse in RDR1. Rewatch his scenes with West Dickens or Irish. He threatens to kill them every conversation they have, basically
Another thing I’d like to add that I noticed on my second play through…
During the bank heist in Chapter 4, all the gang members (Arthur included) are wearing an all black outfit. All, except Micah, who for the first time in the game, is wearing all white. Since we know the Pinkertons were waiting for the gang and an imminent shootout, his all white outfit is like saying “Don’t shoot me, I’m on your side!”.
Interesting that you noticed that. In some old western movies, an informant would wear something white under their coats, so that law enforcement knew who the “good guys” were and who not to shoot at.
@@123Mathzak yeah, I didn’t notice it the first time around on account of being in the moment and not yet knowing he was a rat. On my second and third play through, I noticed more and more clues throughout the game. It’s just like rewatching a movie lol
@@sgt.marcusstacker But you know what’s really interesting? That all happened BEFORE Guarma? So how long was Micah REALLY snitching/double-crossing the gang for?
i didnt notice this, but it makes sence so he would stand out
@@123Mathzak yeah, it really makes you wonder. On my third play through, I studied him even further, both in and out of cutscenes, and noticed more and more clues hinting that he’d been a rat the whole game. Although in truth, rat or no rat, the only person Micah Bell ever really worked for was himself. He was probably only a rat because he got caught and cut a deal to save himself the noose. In Chapter 2, there’s a conversation between him and Dutch at camp where he tries to convince Dutch to tell him where the Blackwater money is hidden so that he can “get it himself”.
BTW, have anyone noticed that when the gang left the camp to rescue little Jack Marston from the Braithwaite farm, Dutch ordered Micah and Kieran to stay at the camp and kill anyone they didn't know who could eventually arrive. But when the gang came back... Micah was nowhere to be found.
Still upset Kieran wasn’t allowed to come along, him being somewhat compared to Micah is disgusting and it’s how I knew Dutch was a horrible leader since chapter 3
@@Jws20 right? I mean, it's not like he barely knows the dude who was just part of the gang of his deadly enemy for many years
Why wouldn't he trust this almost complete stranger?
@@juniorlago6737 exactly, Kieran was a great gunman and a trusted gang member and everyone treated him like shit
@@Jws20 he was always thr first one working in the morning
Dutch was a shitty leader people say there were a second rat since the Saint Denis heist was failed but in reality Angelo bronte was just waaay smarter then dutch and just predicted they would rob the bank
people can be strong in many ways.
Micah spilled everything out when he was interrogated, but charles says that Strauss was captured and interrogated yet he didn't say a word and died In captivity.
For a squirrely man as Strauss was, I actually believed him when he said he was feeding the gang. Unlike Micah.
Strauss was a cold hard dude, look at what his job was. You have to have ice in your veins to be able to loan shark because if you have any mercy in you then you are going to fail at it. He probably just thought even if he ratted them out he would get life in jail anyway (not a long time considering his age). Even if they released him he had all those people he screwed over who might be out to get him or an old loose gang member who learned he ratted them out.
In the end he probably just didn't want to go down looking pathetic and weak like all those people he gave loans to.
Karkarov fuck Strauss tho if he didn’t sent Arthur to get money back from Thomas downes, Arthur would have never gotten infected with TB
Jay Dinero
look at the comment above you
@@jaydinero3659 bruh, its not like Strauss KNOWS Arthur will contract TB. Its like a boss ask some of his workers to do some errands and then the workers die from a car accident and suddenly everyone blames the boss for the accident.
I was surprised at how fat Micah actually was in Guarma when he unbuttons his shirt
Ayden ProGamer He was bloated from having no food
Well actually, I was wondering about that a lot. It doesn't look like a fat belly, but poor nutrition. If you look closely at the model, there seems to be a few scars on his stomach, and one time at the campfire, I actually saw him grabbing his stomach in pain.
celess21 micah doesn’t sleep either
Interesting facts here
@@vigil_vigil7802 Probably another trauma from his daddy, the guy is just too broken to fix. If you stay too long next to him at camp, he starts stuttering saying he doesn't like it when people are close to him physically, go figure, he has so many issues I could make a long ass list, lol.
During Arthur’s death scene I wasn’t very sad throughout the whole fist fight or even him crawling, but whenDutch stepped on his hand is just wrecked me.
Arthur saying he tried to dutch in his last words got me and then when he passed looking at the sunrise really got me looking back in chapter to 2 camp conversation with Hosea how’d you like to die, Arthur just said face me towards the the sunrise I broke down
Yea I started crying like a baby fr but it’s alright I just beat the game yesterday fr longest play through of my life but it was worth it fr 😢
@@Scarr321 fr
Same actually, the betrayal really hurts
Maybe the rat was Dutch all along. That would be a twist lol
Did anyone notice? In the last mission of Epilogue 2, when John, Sadie and Charles went to confront Micah, John was wearing Arthur's hat by default.
nope, mainly because I always had it on my John when I got the chance to have it on his head. nice attention to detail though
wait really, thats so cool
I know right....
There is this strange bug that happens in my game, whenever Micah is around Arthur just happens to throw a stick of dynamite at his feet
It's weird how this happened to me after I read this
That also happens to me all the time
My Arthur does that too, how strange..
I know it's just like the game takes over it's just so odd
Strange that similar to my odd hand seizure to do that exact action every time the colors red, black and white are on screen.
Spoilers!
At the end when you confront Micah, for just a moment you can see a rat exiting the cabin before him.
I know, I shot that thing and I knew it had to symbolize Micah. I wondered if anyone else saw that rat
There's another one that comes out of the cabin as well. I killed both but gave the 2nd one a much more painful death by shooting it in it's balls after Dutch shot it. I came back to the rat and took its revolver afterwards
YEAH. I was wondering where he was then the rat scurried out and I said: "LOOK! IT'S MICAH!"
Also, during the Widow of Willard’s Rest Stranger encounter at the north east of the map, she asks you to shoot a rat, though for me it got away...
@@YI-hf6tv Micah’s Revolver isn’t worth the situations he put the Van Der Linde Gang through.
My theory about Micah Bell was that it was a set up from the beginning of the story. From day one Micah was feeding information to the Pinkertons and here's why. In Micah's camp behind Strawberry we can find a Wanted poster for Dutch van der Linde. It seems old Micah was looking for a way to collect the bounty, but Micah's always been a coward, he can't act alone, he's insecure hence his solitary behaviour. Nevertheless, Micah's a master manipulator. I think that the Pinkertons picked him up and found Dutch's wanted poster on him and made a deal with him which was to penetrate Van Der Linde's gang and feed information on a regular basis to the Pinkertons. Micah would get as close as possible to Dutch in order to know his every move and report back to the Pinkertons and when they got Dutch they'd give the bounty to Micah and let him go free but at the same time I think Ol' Micah was playing both sides.
Coward? He's bastard all right, but I really wouldn't call him that, considering how nonchalant he seemed about being almost killed multiple times.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 the first thing he does in the game is call other people "yello bellied" (cowards), and then he doesnt get on the train with everhone else. Through the game, hes a bully who coerces others to do things, but Micah himself does very little. I think its safe to call him a coward.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 hes a coward, but hes not worried about ethics or morality. Hes worried about his own skin.
@@roseevans4101 There's a difference between self-preservation and cowardice. And there's a lot of evidence pointing towards the hypothesis, that he never planned to get along with others in the gang and that also leads into the theory, he pretty much planned to play all three sides, meaning that if Dutch succeeds in his plans, he will continue to rob with him, if he didn't, he'll hand him off to pinkertons or Colm O'Driscoll, who he also seems to have friends inside to probably do the same or all three. Even if, all of theory-stuff isn't true, you can't deny his lax reaction towards his own death in epilogue, he was like "eh, guess, I'll die".
I think that the gang was just sloppy and had a way higher opinion of themselves then they deserved, the Wild West is going and they aren’t long for the world
It’s possible that Micah’s motive for staying with the gang was to turn Dutch in, causing all the commotion and bringing unwanted attention to the gang to get that opportunity, only teaming up with the pinkertons later to make his goal easier.
I haven’t seen this for myself but apparently if one visits Micah’s camp that he set up in West Elizabeth when him and Arthur rob a stagecoach together one can find a wanted poster for Dutch with a bounty. Why would Micah be carrying something like that around? It may be a bit far fetched but it is at the same round possible and would very easily explain his motive for staying with the gang. His reason for not going to a local sheriff to rat out Dutch right away could be because he wants to get the money from blackwater that he just can’t shut up about first, take it for himself and then turn Dutch in, claim the prize for him and leave the rest of the gang to it’s fate.
I agree. Likely, he was playing ALL sides. People always ask if hes the rat from the start because of Ferry Job, but couldnt he have fed them some info without like FULLY being a Pinkerton double agent?
I mean, maybe his plan was to use Dutch to help him get the big pay day on the ferry, but ALSO get the Pinkerton's on Dutch. Maybe for the Bounty, or maybe so HE could slip away with the whole payday, leaving us and the agents busy with each other.
When this didnt work, well.. he was kinda stuck with us because Dutch got away from the agents, AND had the ferry money. Not much else he COULD do, but rely on us.
But still looking for any advantage he could take, at the sacrifice of anyone else. Probably why he was looking at the bounty.
Then after Guarma, if he did in fact get picked up, and was now at the mercy of angry agents.. THEN he went full rat. I think that's why the game distinguishes it this way through Milton's Dialogue.
So... was he the rat from the start? Yes, and no. He played both sides from the start and contributed to us being set up. But it wasnt until he got arrested that the threat of the agents was now more important then using Dutch for money and protection. So he had to stop playing sides and went full rat.
That's my theory.
@@karenamyx2205 Yea that’s a good one too
It would also explain why the pinkertons appeared so fast after John killed him. He was probably going to turn Dutch in.
Totley agree and micah is a rat
For once 8 I agree with Micah,Dutch should have been turned in
He also was the one who unnecessarily burned sadie adler's house to the ground i chapter 1 by flipping tge table with the lantern
He also sexually assaulted her according to her.
I thought the same thing. Rockstar really made the most horrible bastard ever.
Well to be fair it was right after the heat of the moment, and he didn’t know if the O’driscolls recruited women to fight or not. Not saying that what he did was right, just that he had a possible reason.
@@elijahbrink4596
Well, he tried.
I’m pretty sure that was an accident, even if he was still trying to get to her for whatever reason, I don’t think he intended to do that.
Honestly I feel bad for Javier. He’s only ever been a victim of having no direction in life.
Yea he wouldn't even point his guns at John and Arthur when Dutch told the gang to.
Yeah if you played the first RDR you should know how Javier really is.
It was tough to kill Javier in Mexico in rdr because of this. Bill had a follower mentality, Javier just needed a cause to believe in
I definitely care for Javier more than Bill or Dutch, but it still felt great to yank him off of his horse and feed him to the wolves in rdr1. a coward who would rather hold onto tatters of what once was than do what's right, and he pays the price for it.
@@tf2sniperstanaccount841 what once was... well said
This is the exact thinking I had once I learned Micah was the rat in chapter 6. I put two and two together and said: "wait, Micah planned Blackwater". I think Arthur thought this too because he says its all clear to him now when confronting Micah.
true even arthur knows it
I also noticed that when Jack first went missing, everyone at the camp was crowded around Dutch worried while Micah was just sat by the fire sharpening his knife
Y’all forgot about all that “WAS YOU FOLLOWED” shit. It seemed like Micah was trying too hard to draw attention away from himself.
he was the one that told Dutch about the possibility of having another rat, preventing Dutch from ever thinking he was the rat
it’s a ruse to deflect suspicion off of him
But was he followed? Still unconfirmed...
I just thought of it as an attempt to "bully" Arthur because he was sick.
@@billkevin4501 me too
Honestly Micah was an amazing character, his writing is stellar and it's like he goes out of his way to make you hate him.
Even his voice acting somehow makes him hateable. Every word he says makes him sound shady.
@@fraustpunk Triple post, Jesus fuck dude
@@locococo8961 wasn’t me.
So true! He is my most hated nemesis I’ve ever came across in a video game!
@@fraustpunk yeah his voice actor did a good job
Micah is the physical embodiment of the seven deadly sins. Also if you visit the camp Micah made after the Strawberry shoot out and complete the stagecoach mission, you can find a news paper snippet of Dutch's bounty.
I have a feeling Micah probably "accidentally" left travel plans and shit at old camps when they left more than once before chapter six so that people would find it. He loves chaos so...it'd make sense he would Intentionally sabotage everything and want everyone to get killed.
I never trusted micah. his horse baylock looks just like the low honor horse from rdr1
It is the low honor horse in rdr1
Saylor :P it’s based off that lol
Well CowPoke I didn't trust you either!!
Baylock is the low honour horse in my head canon, especially because he was covered in scars, which I like to think he got when I was chucking dynamite at the gang members, chasing John and I.
I feel bad for that horse. It must suck to have Micah as a master.
He was an O'Driscoll. Keep in mind he set up the "parlay" between Dutch and Colm. Yes, it was Pearson the one who talked to them, but Micah is suspiciously trying his hardest to make it happen. Since when did he care about the gang getting into trouble? Just that one occasion is when he said they should cut outsome fights. He happily embraces and creates every other one.
And of course, the fact that this parlay was a trap is the key. Micah was the one who said Arthur should cover them with a sniper rifle. This was deliberate and it was his intention all along. Getting rid of Arthur. Notice how Micah acts friendly towards Arthur, trying to earn his approval, in chapter 2. But that stops in chapter 3, which is when this O'Driscoll meeting happens, he most likely realized Arthur was never going to trust him and he was the main threat, since he was Dutch's right hand man.
And this is where it gets really interesting. The O'Driscolls had a deal with the pinkertons. Colm himself says this to Arthur. His plan was to give them Dutch to save himself. And this makes perfect sense, the O'Driscolls were a way bigger gang, all over the map, making a lot more noise... you'd think the O'Driscolls would be the priority, and not Dutch's gang. Unless... they had a deal with the law.
Micah was the man inside Dutch's gang, he'd feed the info to Colm, who would report to the Pinkertons. Isn't it funny that Colm knew about the train heist? This was the real story of how the Pinkertons knew about Dutch's moves, the St. Denis bank... etc It makes a lot of sense.
And of course, once O'Driscoll died in chapter 6, after Guarma, the middle man was cut and Micah answered directly to the Pinkertons.
👏 you just changed my mind
I agree with everything except the train heist. Dutch got that tip from Kieran, an O’Driscoll.
Way too underrated also maybe add a tldr segment there
I thought so too, I always thought micah was an o'driscoll. I mean even in strawberry he gets information about a wagon he and Arthur rob. Yes he does kill the guy but the o'driscolls all know dutch's gang members so he would have recognized micah, especially when he was sharing a jail cell with him. Yet still gave him information. Yes Micah says the guy was bragging about ''hitting it on the regular'' but seriously what kind of outlaw sits in a jail cell bragging about other crimes they had committed further incriminating themselves? This game is purposely filled with subtle hints.
I think the theory is supported with the fact that Micah kind of act more of a O'Discroll than a van der Lande. I bet that Com planted Micah into the gang to sabotage them into destruction. From Blackwater to the fateful incident in the mountains.
11:59 Micah was greedy, and saw Dutch as a money making opportunity. He wanted the gang to grow weak, so he helped the pinkertons to kill off as many gang members as possible to the point it’s just him, Dutch, Cleet and Joe. So when the time’s right, he could turn on Dutch and take the money the gang has made without it being much of a challenge. This is why in chapter 6 Dutch constantly says: “we need more money”. he only said it a few times in chapter 4 because Hosea helped Dutch plan things out. However after he died, micah planned things for Dutch and told him he needed as much money as possible, (including the money in blackwater). This would also explain why he got angry after Dutch turned around on him before Arthur’s death. Because he lost his trust. Therefore he can no longer make any more stacks of money, and he lost the chance to get the money from blackwater.
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When it finally came down to it, Micah knew that Arthur would eventually try and get rid of him, so he got rid of everyone who would have sided with him, except Grimshaw, whom he shot anyway, Leaving Arthur all alone. Bill and Javier were blinded by loyalty to Dutch so they didn't side with Arthur. Charles was up in the reservation, helping people. Sadie was taking Abigail, Jack and Tilly to safety. Karen was...already gone...all the non-gun users that would have stood by Arthur fled (Uncle, Mary-Beth, Pearson, Swanson, Trelawny) Sean, who hated Micah, was set up and killed by the Grays, probably after Micah let out information. Kieran, was betrayed by Micah, who probably led him away from camp then gave him up to the O'Driscolls. Lenny and Hosea, died because Micah spoke about the bank job. And John was shot and left for dead by Dutch, probably under the encouragement of Micah. Arthur had no allies because Micah made sure they were all dead and/or gone. But there's one person left who's mentality is very interesting: Molly. She was the only one who noticed something going on with Dutch that no one else did until chapter 6. In chapter 3 and also 4 I think, Molly kept trying to tell Arthur that something was up with Dutch but kept getting interrupted. She realised that no one would take her seriously or even hear her out, so she fled the gang, probably knowing what Micah was doing, but was unable to stop it. When she returned, she was boasting about telling the pinkertons about the bank, which in her mind was probably the only way she would make Dutch listen to her. This however unfortunately led to her death. On paper, she's the most unimportant character in the story, yet when you look deeper, she was written incredibly well.
That makes a lot of sense 👍👍
Okay. I’ll bite. I won’t antagonize her anymore through my next playthroughs
@@thechameleon3791 John marston didn’t go to school, he was tought by Dutch. Change that name and profile picture because your not fuckin worthy of it
The Red Red Redemption saga actually all revolves around Micah - he was the seminal character that ultimately brought about the redemption of both Arthur and John.
Micah was the chosen one - the instrument of the mysterious gentleman in the top-hat.
Micah saved both Arthur and John from a life of wanton criminal excesses and murder, putting them on a path to redemption.
Micah always gets the hate but he is just a misunderstood character doing gods work.
Would the story of Jesus Christ be as potent or transcending if not for the dealings of Judas Iscariot? He had to have known his name would be hated for eternity.. but he helped in creating the lore, sacrificing his own character anyways.
By that same token, we have Micah.
Micah is more of a rabid dog than the tactical schemer you describe him to be. this entire video plays on the false assumption that Micah has the intellectual capacity to pull that off. He's just a sloppy idiot who's wild actions made him an easy target for the pinkertons.
You missed two minor details that I wanna point out real quick-
1) if you go to Micah’s camp after the stagecoach mission, you’ll find a newspaper scrap with Dutch’s name and a reward, indicating that he may have had ideas of turning on Dutch well before the Pinkertons told Arthur.
2) in the mission where Arthur is jumped by the O’Driscolls and taken hostage, it was Micah who gave the idea to Dutch. Even Hosea claims that it’s a trap, to which Micah replies “it probably is.” Could this mean that Micah was also talking to the O’Driscolls and not just the Pinkertons?
And he said micha met Dutch and joined the gang in 1891 but I think it was 1898
I saw a comment saying that Micah might’ve been not a Pinkerton mole but a O’Driscoll mole. It makes sense as the O’Driscolls had connections with the Pinkertons.
Pearson was the one who ran into the odriscolls, and Micah never had any contact. He just told Dutch.
@@ApatheticBeaver Micah would have let them known to talk to Pearson about this when Pearson goes into town if Micah gave them the idea it would have looked real suspect
And during the saint-denis bank heist he’s the only one wearing white so that the pinkertons would know not to shoot him
Makes me wonder, was Micah at one point an O'driscoll? Shot the cell mate because he knew him, old running partner as well, maybe saw Dutch and knew him from the old days and gambled that since he never went against him under Colm that Dutch wouldn't recognize him as an O'driscoll, figured he'd back whoever was stronger, double cross them, then lead whichever gang he could pull together and take advantage of the power vacuum in the region. The louder, more brutal way of running meant to build his reputation, and his place in Dutch's gang may have been for colm in the first place, changing allegiances when he realized Colm was going to hang and he was always so quick to drop his mask to yell at you in front of the law, but less around them. After Arthur gets kidnapped with Micah being the only one who could have tipped them off, he takes you out to rob an O'driscoll carriage as if to say "hey I know what you're thinking if you aren't stupid, let me smooth that over." and then, it's an ambush. He played every side, and he damn near won.
He wasn’t an O’driscoll but he was a survivor
If a game can make you hate a character so much, that just shows how good the games writing is
Why does everyone hate me :(
@@micahbell1009 because you suck
@@micahbell1009 *Unravels list of reasons... that rolls onto the floor and then out the door* this'll take a while
@@micahbell1009racism, homophobia, lack of empathy towards humans, needless killing, genocide, misogynist, treason, communist, taking joy on dishonorable acts such as insulting and killing, YOU KILLED ARTHUR
@@micahbell1009I will be honest I don’t mind micah until chapter 6 when I hate him
Rockstar wrote Micah’s character so well and his acting was amazing. People don’t give the actor a lot of credit. The reason we hate Micah so much is because of how good the actor played him
spot on. Best characters brings out real emotions. Negative emotions are always the strongest.
I don't know the voice actor for Micah, but I have so much respect for him. I have not seen many actors who could make me hate their character as much as that guy.
Yes, he is a great villain, they really go out of their way to make you hate him. Hell, even Micah's va hates him
Anyone who knows about the voice actor gives him credit.
The va is so good that some dumbass sends him a threat via letter.
I literally failed every mission with Micah cus I was blowing him up, running over. Setting him ablaze or precisely knocking him off a cliff just for satisfaction
My wife would sit and watch and ask "WHY??!!" Every time I did the same. You can also place dynamite or fire just before a cut seen for some fun.
Everyone liked that
Jango Fett You have the highest honor
@@kvonkirk2340 YES lmao! though I do that with everybody. I also love doing it in GTA
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Micah didn't alert the Grays or Braithwates, he makes it rather clear after Seans death that his goal is kill them all, even when Bill's life is threatened Micah says ''either way you are a dead man.'' He took that betrayal personally.
With the way Micah acts, and how damn-near every time he was around there was nothing but trouble, if it had been revealed that Micah was an undercover Pinkerton agent, sent in as a spy to bring down the gang from the inside, it would've made total sense. In fact, I'm surprised Rockstar didn't go that direction To be honest, because it would have made more sense in some respects.
@vrtxte I'm not so sure, because look at the types of men that Milton and Ross were. They were shown to have been as bad as the men they hunted, really. Either they became that way over time, or they always were that way deep down inside, which was the whole point of the second game, stripping back the layers of the characters, and revealing who they they truly were inside.
I would say that Ross was the worst of the two men, because Milton actually tried to give the other gang members a chance to leave, only wanting to take Dutch into custody, yet Ross on the other hand was so hell-bent on getting rid of John, that would've gladly have taken out Abigail and Jack as well, if it meant him accomplishing his goal.
@vrtxte the pinkertons were very brutal and responsible for a few massacres themselves.
Probably because they wanted him to be a gang leader in the epilogue, and didn’t think it would be realistic for John to be able to kill a government agent and get away with it for the next four years, without it even being mentioned in Red Dead One.
It tells a tale of how the spirit can be corrupted, the fact that he wasn't an agent from the start.
@@AJ_Deadshow - Micah was always corrupt. I don't think there was ever a point in the game where he ever sincerely said or did anything kind for somebody else.
Everyone else around the camp, no they weren't good men, but they weren't completely heartless, either. But Micah was the very epitome of maliciousness.
When you think about it, Charles and Micah are special gang members. Charles had a big impact on Arthur to become a good man. Micah had a huge impact on Dutch to become crazy. And they both didn’t even have to be with the gang for over a year to change it.
Yeah, they’re polar opposites, one is a good man who impacts Arthur for the better without wanting to kill innocents and he’s extremely buff whereas the other is a bad rat who impacts Dutch for the worse encouraging him to recklessly kill anyone who gets in his way and he’s rather fat
@@connor4435 Also, the way I saw it it's also significant how Charles default outfit does not include a coat but Micah and Arthur do. Arthur is a light brown. The colour of earth. "Down to earth" meaning, genuine. But also representing poverty and sadness. Arthur expresses a great amount of self loathing throughout all of the story, believing himself to.be nothing but a bad man. And yet multiple people tell him that for all of his supposed badness, he is also loyal, reliable and to a degree, selfless. It takes until he is reminded of his mortality,, but by then he is only become more of what he already was, and sheds this metaphorical coat of supposed filth of character and poverty of morals for him to show his metaphorical blue of a kind, selfless and honourable man determined to , in spite of all the bad he has caused, do some measure of good before his time comes to an end. Whereas Micah wears a black coat and red shirt, showing there is no inner goodness and is a monster through and through.. And then there is his hat. Typically in old western movies the villain wears a back hat and the hero a white one. Arthur the outlaw with a black hat. As per our initial impressions and conventions of westerns. The black hat symbolises a constrast with the white of the villain of the story, inverting the usual expectations and also ties with his betrayal of the gang. As well as the Pinkertons themselves. Wearing grey, the colour of neutrality and balance. But grey is also the colour of concrete and of his ever expanding desolate world of capitalism. And they too wear red beneath this literal and metaphorical coat, showing they are no better then the supposed criminals they fight.
And finally Dutch. We tend to associate black with evil. But also Dutch is a very well dressed man. So an outlaw but also a gentleman, and someone fighting(supposedly) for a better world.
Yet when we see him cime fully undone, Arthur and John believe that contrary to what Sadie thinks, that Dutch changed for the worse, they believe he was always this way and just finally showed his true colours.
And that ties into his outfit again. Dark representing evil again and portraying how Dutch only shed his coat to reveal his evil nature.
@@Nai-qk4vp no one reading the whole ass essay😭💀
@@nab_tm i did and I really liked it
@@chekschnuksout9433 Same here, a fantastic read.
Should’ve left him to be hanged in Strawberry.
If only
I tried but I couldn't continue
If only it were an option...
Yes I Should Have
When we didn't get the choice to just leave him in jail I knew he'd be nothing but trouble.
The fact Micah suggested such a horrible location like dewberry creek is pretty suspicious on its on
I totally agree with your conclusion that he does the things he does, most because he’s evil. They are even hints given which points towards that direction, like the letter from his brother. There’s a dialogue with him in the camp where he basically says “Sometimes there’s nothing better than shooting a feller in the back, who thinks you like him.” Or how he tells Hosea “You don’t like me very much right? I’ll miss you when you’re dead.” Probably hinting at the events that transpired in Chapter 4 during the Bank Robbery when Hosea got shot. Even after the Bank Robbery in Saint Denis Arthur turns around and tells Micah “They knew we were coming… Just like your ferry job in Blackwater.”
That’s just the thing with Micah, he’s a character with no redeeming quality. Slaughtering an entire town full of people just because he can. Setting up a trap for Arthur so he’ll get caught by O’Driscolls and get killed cause Arthur doesn’t like him, setting up a trap for Hosea for the same reason. Killing Cain, the dog that was at the camp for no reason. Probably gave a tip-off to Grays that led to the bloodbath in Rhoades and Sean’s death. Micah is just someone who enjoys Chaos.
ah, if only Arthur left him in strawberry and got to see he swing
* *star wars credits play* *
I would have loved to see that be some kind of failing that mission. Like if you didn't do it in a certain timeframe you'd get word that Micah was dead or when you eventually went you'd see him strung up and then get the failed mission thing before starting in earnest
If i was Arthur, after breaking him out of the jail, i would've shoot Micah myself and tell Dutch that he got killed by the lawman while trying to flee Strawberry
@@sl9wdive Right? It's a pretty perfect setup for a double-cross. The gang's still reeling from the loss of other members by that point, so Micah dying tragically in a shootout would just be another regrettable loss, and just checking a newspaper would confirm Arthur's assertion that it was a shitshow. Plus, they wouldn't even be able to recover the body on account of the swarms of lawmen.t
God Arthur missed a golden oppurtunity.
He wouldn’t have swung
I called Sean's death. Just sitting there I said to myself "I got a bad feeling about this." And as soon as i said that Sean got domed
That scene scared me to death ( no pun intended)
You mean the exact same time Arthur said “ I got a bad feeling about this” ??
Really, out of those 4, Sean was the only one who could die. Arthur is the main character, and it would be weird to kill the main character halfway through. Bill is in Red Dead 1. Micah has plenty of plot relevance as Arthur's foil even before he becomes the most hated man alive - I mean, at this point, he was still a brash, murderous, racist dickhead, but I didn't consider him any worse than Milton or Strauss until it was clear that he was manipulating Dutch
Ha
@@coltonwood1548 I know lol, Arthur said the exact same thing this guy can be serious
he could have been moleing all along, milton says hed been a "good boy'' since guarma. he could have been giving them breadcrumbs until he had dutch's trust and then went full rat
I actually feel like Micah was a huge factor in chapter 3 right at the end. The fact that Micah all of a sudden was insisting on peace with the Odriscols which led to Arthur almost being killed and the whole gang being ambushed by the Pinkertons. Way too much of a coincidence on that one. Then right after Sean gets killed, Jack gets taken, and the Pinkertons show up at camp. I think Micah at the very least was cooperating then.
Nah, because why would Micah walk right into town where he knows they're gonna be ambushed, and why would Leigh Gray not reveal it when Micah and Arthur confronted him?
In the saint denis bank heist micah was wearing white, while everybody else was in black, could be a sign that he was working with them, since they would not want to shoot their mole, he needed to stand out, also, he barely hit a pinkerton during the heist
You’re right that would make since
Lenny wore a light suit as well.
@@Christian-97 yeah but he's a black man
All you have to say is "look for the fucker with blonde hair and a white suit, he's our guy"
And I doubt there'd be any confusion
@@Christian-97 yeah but Micah only had to stand out agaisnt the white gang members to be fair. Lenny could wear whatever he wants he's not going to be mistaken for Micah
I just think its his character design. He also wears a white hat all the time
Rest of gang: greet
Micah and Straus: antagonize
Strauss? What did he do except the TB on Arthur
Marius Boss if Straus didn’t exist, Arthur never gets TB. If Arthur never gets TB, we get to wipe the floor with Micah’s ass.
Also his practice is pretty scummy. Arthur says something about robbing fools that rob other fools but Straus preys on the weak and desperate.
@@DoubleU159 If Arthur didnt get TB, his amazing redemption arc wouldnt exist. Thus should be Red Dead Outlaw.
Shahkarif100 Gaming it wouldn’t have been as compelling but I still think Arthur would’ve started to see dutch turning. Micah was still manipulating the gang and Arthur starts trying to be good even before he knows he has TB or starts to feel the effects.
I wouldn’t have the story any other way than it was portrayed, don’t get me wrong, but Arthur deserved a better life.
DoubleU159
Arthur getting sick was the only reason he changed into such a huge 180
I love that Amos straight-up tells Micah that he's going to come kill him if he finds out that he's within 50 miles. I dunno what Micah did, but it must have been bad lol
I feel like there is also some sort of in-game reasoning for Sean and Lenny's deaths. In Chapter 1, it is established that Sean is not a competent gunfighter when he is attempting to shoot lined up bottles (failing) and Arthur has to give him some advice on how to effectively shoot one of them. Sean also constantly mentions how Arthur is like a "big brother" to him and how he loves him, illustrating to the player that Sean obviously has a great admiration of Arthur. The fact that Micah would recruit him for the business in Rhodes, especially when there are plenty of other competent gunslingers back at camp to recruit instead, shows that he was potentially easily disposing of a gang member loyal to Arthur. This could have also been the case with the bank robbery in Saint Denis with Lenny (this part is based more on speculation, but is still valid). Lenny, though admittedly better than Sean at gunfighting, is quite young and inexperienced. Seeing as this robbery happened after Dutch's head injury (one of the supposed causes for his personality shift), and his ties with Hosea were weakening, it's pretty safe to say that Micah could have had at least a small influence on the plans for the heist and could have intentionally overexaggerated Lenny's skill to Dutch (who does not spend that much time with Lenny at all), also taking into account the fact that Lenny REALLY admires Arthur, who is always watching his back (even in the event of his death). I think the explanation with Sean is much more plausible than the one with Lenny, but both are pretty cool theories :D
I don't think the head injury was that bad, the main thing injured there was Dutch's pride and ego
It's so obvious that he was gonna betray them, that it's actually offensive how much trust Dutch had in him.
I guess because Micah saved Dutch, Dutch had a massive “blind spot” for Micah (also because Micah is manipulative anyways), because the Blackwater heist was Micah’s own lead and it’s thought to have been a set-up. Being new to the gang, Micah lies at the convergence of these “coincidences.”
@@andrewp8284 It doesn't help that the decline in Dutch's famed sharp mind started well before the game even begins.
By the end he is full of his own hubris, he thought himself unassailable and couldn't fathom the idea that Micah was lying to him and always had been. That he had put his chips on the wrong bet that lead to the deaths of so many of his family and caused him to abandon others willfully. There are so many theories floating around that Dutch had always been a callous narc and that his "mask" just slowly faded away in time, and that the person he was at the end was the real him.
I don't really subscribe to that theory. Dutch much more strongly resembles an idealist who becomes increasingly disillusioned and digs his heels in deeper and deeper because he can't come to grips with the fact that he's not as smart as he thought he was and that he was the one being played and used for a change.
It's pretty strongly hinted that Micah was always only after the gang's money and potentially the bounty on Dutch.
He pretty much singlehandedly disbanded the gang, leaving the gangs SIGNIFICANT stash of money in Blackwater for himself, he only kept Dutch around in the end because he needed him to lead him to the stash's location.
Dutch, broken though he was, realized this by the end and spends the rest of his life bitter and stubbornly forging ahead on a path that he knew would end in his own death.
It's rather sad actually, though his idealism was broken he could have used his wits to have that idyllic retirement in the wilds he'd always wanted but just didn't see the point anymore.
He chose the right side because of that we survived and made a new gang.. But dat didn't really work out.
@@andrewp8284 Dutch's whole thing is loyalty, just like Javier and Bill he has a perverted sense of loyalty and he deludes himself further and further with it until its just plain old selfishness.
Dutch hates when people question his authority. After Blackwater the only one who wasn't questioning him was Micah.
I always noticed the camp choice too. My first time playing I was like "wtf kind of location is this? It's not even hidden.".
Ikr
Hooligan Tim that’s why micah wanted the gang to hide just in that dry creek in the end of chapter 2 so the agents would find them easy
Micah must have only 2 working brain cells to think that Arthur and Charles would think the location is hidden when it’s literally right beside a railroad track.
7:27 Molly was the one who told about the bank robbery she specifically admits as much
though redacting that statement there's still plenty of evidence for this Theory
You know she didn’t right? Milton said she didn’t say a word
His brother was an absolute savage, imagine how bad ass Amos probably was to make Micah scared of him.
12:08 The *reason* that Micah stayed with the gang and didn't leave was because of the Blackwater money. He had no idea where Dutch had it stashed, so he buzzed Dutch's head like a fly to...
You forgot about the mission “Blessed are the meek” where Micah wanted to (very out of character) make peace with the O’Driscols. Then he told Arthur where to guard via sniper and he was abducted. Then Dutch went back with him without looking for Arthur at all...
Well good choice for dutch Because if he did then The law will get him
it is the mission blessed are the peacemakers tho
Yah, but that was Pearson's idea. You know Pearson? The fat guy that ends up having his own store...? One of the real rats. He got out pretty ez if you ask me...having his own store and no lawman on his back.......Weird.
Micah Bell Online Pearson wasn’t a gunslinger like Arthur and basically everyone else. They wanted the big hitters.
@@crimdus5041 Well, that's poor writting then. No one would ever get away with being in the gang of a notorious criminal and murderer like Dutch. Would never happen back then, would never happen today. Pearson is a fat squealer. And how did he get that store, where did he get the money? Just makes no sense. I got a feeling the gang was infested with many rats.
Dude i started Red dead 2 over again a few months ago and then i found this channel. Love how you get into the lore of the game. Awesome work.
It seems like Micah had a hard time understanding where he ranked in the gang. It seems like he though when he joined that he was part off the Gangs High Hierarchy. Which is Dutch first then Hosea then Arthur and John the orginal 4. Reason for this though is when they get back from Sadie's house Micah complains about not getting his own room which are reserved for the high Hierachy
Jack was the rat while Micah was just covering for him
Wow Micah was a nice Guy all along!
Wtf Jack??!
SnazzyNewt 717 he ratted the gang out for spaghetti
StHeEm0rE’s DaNk what if Angelo Bronte is jacks real dad? Papa Bronte?
Listen here you little shit
I have a strong feeling that if Arthur hadn't died from tuberculosis or if he hadn't gotten it he would have killed Micah himself
Ghost Warrior 38 He definitely would, Micah wouldn’t stand a chance. The only reason Micah went after Arthur was because he took notice he was sick and weak, if it weren’t for his TB, Arthur would stomp that piece of shit into the ground
Hell yeah arthur would have whooped his sorry ass
I Would Have Won If It Wasn’t For That Damn Tuberculosis
Arthur Morgan Yes, you would have... 😔 You would have stomped his ass into dust
In the high honour ending though he does win the fight he knocks him to the ground to the point where he almost grabs a gun and shoots him, if it wasnt for dutch standing on it micah would have been dead and John would have been okay
You've made a very convincing case here. I think he is also responsible for Arthur being captured by the O'Driscoll's. After noticing them on the hill above, he distracts Arthur so he would forget that there were four riders, but only three would meet Dutch and Micah. And also he chose the spot where Arthur would watch over them. Furthermore they agreed to meet up at "the fork in the road" after the parley, so clearly Micah convinced Dutch to head back to camp without looking for Arthur.
this and dutch's 1 hour analysis video further convinces me that dutch was a good leader and lost his mind
dutch seemed to have carried some tendencies to be psychotic and micah perfectly brought that side of dutch out
Something important to note: When Colm O'Driscole wanted to meet, Micah was a big advocate of going to the meet. He convinced Dutch to drag along Arthur and put him in a sniper position. Considering Colm outright stated that Arthur was the target all along so he could draw out the Van Der Linde gang and let them get caught by the cops, real convinient that Micah had the idea to seperate Arthur and Colm happened to know where he was and put a man there to jump him. Awfully convinient.
Yeah, I saw someone say that Micah might have actually been an O’Driscole and I think that makes sense, he always hated Kieran and I can’t think of any instance where they spend time together, he might have had the O’Driscoles wait for Kieran to wonder off in particular so that Kieran wouldn’t realise that Micah was actually part of the gang
I don’t necessarily think that’s true, one of the whole things about rdr2 that not many people notice is that, the vanderline gang is getting sloppy and predictable, that’s why the saint Denis bank robbery goes wrong, they just made too much noise and with bronte as well as all the shootings in the city it’s purely just sloppy.
I think it’s a lot more likely that Colm just wanted his own snipers on that ledge. Micah was so insistent because he needed to get back on Dutch’s good side after strawberry
@@connor4435 Wouldn’t Kieran already know that Micah was an O’Driscoll? I highly doubt that he wouldn’t say anything to Dutch.
@@momimhome7540 the ODriscol gang was very big and so there’s a good chance Kieran wouldn’t even have known Micah (especially since Kieran sounds like a new recruit and Micah could’ve been undercover by that point) but Micah might’ve just been paranoid about it
The only good thing Micah ever does is give Arthur an off hand holster and a Lancaster repeater
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DMCS19 he only did that just to blind Arthur and make peace with him
@@Stormertheboy I know that but even then
Lancaster is my favourite weapon
My theory: Micah was in it for the money from the start, he tipped off the gang’s enemies at every chance to try and kill members of gang, to get more money for himself.
I highly doubt that Micah was working with the Pinkertons at the start, or at Blackwater. Setting bait with scores was an actual tactic used, and Blackwater was one fo them. If Micah was working with anyone at this point, it would have to be the O'driscolls. Remember that Micah was the one that was pushing for the peace meeting, where they just so happen to catch Arthur on the hill. The Pinkertons also never pay a visit to the camp in the first chapter or so. If Micah is a traitor at the start of the game, It's because he's an O'driscoll. I'm guessing he shoots the other guy in his jail cell when you free him, for this very reason as well.
Well, there was money on that boat, why would the Pinkertons do a set up with real money?? Also, he leaves a river full of dead O'Driscoll's boys with the help of Morgan
*Dutch shoots Micah*
Micah: You shot me pretty good
Marston: Hold my Hair Tonic
PEW PEW PEW
Ross: Hold my cigar
Jack: Hold my book
yee haw
@@micahbell565 you have yee yee ass haircut
@@micahbell565 You yeed your last haw, Micah
Everybody gangsta until Arthur grabs the Gatling Gun
the pinkerton in front of Arthur in that moment
" Well... shit"
You can find Micah’s camp outside of Strawberry after he returns to the group after him and Arthur rob the stagecoach. There’s a wanted poster for Dutch with a $10,000 bounty and a newspaper scrap that details a crime Micah and his father committed. Both pieces of paper can be found around the extinguished campfire, implying he had tried to burn them before returning to the gang. Knowing this, it’s obvious it was after Strawberry that Micah found out about the massive bounty on Dutch and began working to turn the gang inside out and collect on the bounty himself.
I have 2 theories: 1. Either Micah was hired by the Pinkerton Agency and was making bank off it 2. It was Gavin ALL ALONG
“We picked him up and he’s been a good boy ever since”
Maybe Micah wasn’t just found, but he went to the Pinkertons once he got off the boat. Maybe “good boy ever since” could also mean he was working with them in the past but went against orders and they set him straight.
I’m sure he was working with them cuz I always wonder where Micah was when he wasn’t at the camp and when the o discrolls ambushed us at shady belle when Kieran got killed
Kvonn Nah only like half the gang was at shady belle when the o driscolls attacked. Trelawney, Javier, and Lenny for example were also not there so I don’t think Micah had anything to do with that
I always thought it was weird like, how come they could have just taken him ? I am pretty sure that if they would have met Micah on the way from the docks then they would have taken all the other members also. It is very likely that he just went to the Pinkertons nearest camp and told them what happened.
@@aj-sj6xc They were all dropped off at separate points and times.
Micah is not a government agent man y'all are dumb😂
If Arthur didn’t have tb and you did the knife fight, Micah would have turned into a goddamn filet-a-fish from McDonald’s
Absolute mince meat
Micah would be sliced up into stringy meat
More like filet-a-rat
I can just imagine a scene playing out during the Hideout standoff before they flee, with a healthy Arthur challenging Micah.
Arthur: "C'mon you RAT! I'LL FILET YOU AND PUT YOU IN THE CAMP STEW"
Micah: "oh shit"
John: "oh shit"
Bill: "oh shit"
Javier: "mierda"
Dutch: "we need more MONEH"
That’s why Micah waited for him to get weaker before attacking him because he knew Arthur would fucking absolutely destroy him if he was healthy
He also probably snitched to the grays. Once they started shooting he starts shouting “ THEY SHOT ME! I CANT BELIEVE THEY SHOT AT ME!” Also during the saint denis bank heist he was the only one wearing white, so the Pinkerton knew not to shoot at him
That was bill, they shot bill
@@ReaIly they shot bill, but it was Micah shouting that
@@koalemos27yearsago6 it was bill. It literally says bill in the subtitles
Re-watching this I love your videos bro thank you for your content
Hosea didn’t deserve to die. Especially like that.
Agreed
It was horrible to watch him curl up on the ground after being shot
@@saladf13 The Moment Hosea was Gone Everything 😭 Fell apart
Hosea might've been the other rat.
@@joshuagross3151 NO Way I don't Believe That
It always puzzled me that Dutch would let Micah into the Van Der Linde family, when he does nothing to hide his racism. Dutch always talk about wanting the best for the gang but doesnt even tell Micah off when he spews hateful comments at Javier, Charles, Lenny and Tilly. People who are 100x more beloved by the rest of the gang.
I think it's bc Dutch hated racism, but he loved people who sucked up to him more than he hated racism
I don’t remember any moments when Micah was openly racist in front of Dutch and I think with Micah always stroking Dutch’s ego and siding with him he could just deny his racism and Dutch would believe him
I hated tilly for some reason
Hosea at one point tells Lenny not to buy into all of Dutchs fancy talk. That it doesnt actually mean anything. Hosea would know, hes ran with Dutch from the beginning. There is a lot of hints through out the game that Dutch does not really care about any of the members of the gang. And when he appears to its because it benefits him to do so. For example sending Javier, Charles and Arthur to save Sean was an attempt to save face after the disaster that was the boat heist in Blackwater. The gang is on the ropes and Dutch can tell peoples faith in him has been shaken. He makes no mention of attempting to locate and rescue Mac. Prior to the fishing trip with Jack no one knew for sure what Macs fate was.
Henry Koerner Reminds me of when Kieran said the O’driscolls are similar to the van der lindes
Thank you youtube for only reccomending these sorts of videos once I'd finished rdr2s story. It's almost eery how perfect the timing is...
I think originally it was written to have Micah be a rat since blackwater but they changed it to guarma because they wanted Dutch to have more autonomy in the gang falling apart. Micah's early motivates appear like sabotage but I think his first two quests he's trying to get Arthur killed so he can better manipulate dutch.
Noticed while playing on PC that you're required to break Micah out of jail in Strawberry before the train job outside Rhodes in Chapter 2. Suddenly the too fast response of the law makes perfect sense.
Just one question:
Why didn't Arthur spit on Micah?
In the final fist fight between Micha and Arthur, Arthur bites his knuckle, shouldn´t that have infected him??
Would have been intressting if when John got to MT hagen, Micah was coughting a lot and looking rather weak lmao. As if Arthur got the last laugh in the end
ShadowCim if you remember in the game, it states somewhere (I don’t remember where) that sometimes symptoms take months, sometimes even years to manifest. There is a chance that Micah was infected but the symptoms hadn’t manifested yet, hence why even if Arthur spit in his face, there would be no guarantee he would have gotten sick and died shortly thereafter, he definitely would have gotten sick and died but there was no telling when that would have happened. Him being on top of that mountain tho and living the way he did however would have sped up that process had John not tracked him down and filled him with more led than a 3 world country kid with lead poisoning
Micah would just infect innocent people then
LeBron that's probably why he didn't spit on him then seems logical that way
Why would you purposefully spread tb? Micah would just pass it on to someone else and so on and so on. Bad idea.
When I played the game for the first time. I thought that Micah was just a red herring and the mole was someone else. However I was wrong.
The opening music for this video plays in my head everytime my manager asks me to do something
Yes and no....
He wanted the bounty of Dutch since the beginning.
And when the Pinkertons offer some help he played along
He saw an opportunity to save Dutch when he met him because he already knew about the price on Dutch's head. Micah figured he could join in and sabotage Dutch with pretending to be loyal and faithful to him, while in the meantime planning to take all the money from the Blackwater robbery and getting the money for Dutch's bounty as well.
He probably motivated him to do more high profile actions so he could possibly raise a bounty on Dutch’s head
Llama Lopter The gang did that themselves. All that mess in Valentine and playing those two families.
People forget a very important thing. At Micah's hermit camp, you can find only 2 things : Dutch's bounty poster, and a newpaper clip about a murder he did with his father when he was 17. Could there be a link..? I think Micah is only in Dutch's gang for vengeance. His guns, we can suppose were his father's guns, we don't know for sure. But those guns seem more important to Micah than anything else, even risks his life to get them back in Strawberry. What's written on the guns : Vengeance is Hereby Mine. Micah hates Dutch. While Dutch talks about Faith and Hope and Dreams, Micah keeps trashing Faith, and talk about the harsh reality of life, it's very far from Dutch's way of thinking, even the opposite. Micah's family fell apart, something clearly happened. I think Micah wanted to do the same with Dutch's "family" and tear it apart, and succeeded. He won.
@@celess21 wow
Thats a pretty good theory, i like it
The amount of mission fails I have for killing him
Roland Villegas I have never not wanted to kill him
Lol it was still early on, but I wanted to leave his ass in strawberry. And at that point all he really showed was him being a racist and massive asshole.
nextgenstatus when he said that him and Arthur are basically brothers I laughed
12:16 damn even his own blood wants nothing to do with him
1:10
OMG Ik he’s terrible but what a beautiful edit for Micah Bell
If anything, I feel like Micah was giving anonymous tips to the Pinkertons in order to undermine the gang and eventually cash in the bounty on Dutch. However, when Milton nabbed him after Guarma, Micah had to step it up because now his neck was on the line too.
This could be true actually
That’s good but I think he put himself in harms way too much for it to be anonymous, for example in the Saint Denis robbery if it was anonymous he’d have found a way to not be in the bank so he wouldn’t get shot
Micah was also the one who insisted on the Peace Talks between Colm and Dutch resulting in Arthur being captured. Never really liked the idea of Micah being a rat, since having Molly being the one who tipped off the Pinkerton's made more sense. However, Micah being a survivor wanted Arthur out of the way in order to take his place within the Van der Linde Gang.
Furthermore, some have theorized that Dutch suffering a head injury during the failed Trolly job in Saint Denis might have also played a factor in Micah's favor along with the loss of Hosea shortly afterwards. Even without him being a rat, Micah was already a pretty bad piece of work. Great vid Fizhy, another dea; is Baylock (Micah's horse) and Dark Horse from RDR1 one-in-the-same?
How did Molly make more sense then Micha? Molly was one of the first people who was warning Arthur about Dutch decline and she, In all intent, was genuine.
I fully agree with you on the trolly head incident
Moto Moto it wasn’t hate that made him a rat it was self preservation
GeauxBurns nothing in rdr2 that belongs to a character that wasn’t planned until the making of rdr2 then 100% that characters belongings arent in rdr1 when will people understand this
@@UGLYBOYwrld You edited your comment and I still almost had an aneurysm trying to read it.
“Fucking Micah!” Was basically my reaction every time this snake did… well, anything.
Nice video pal!
Me: Greet everyone except Micah
Micah: Antagonise everyone
Dutch: *Punches micah out of his misery*
Correction:
Me: Greet everyone except Micah and antagonize Strauss
Micah wanted the blackwater money that’s why he stayed
If he knew Dutch actually hid the money in his stomach....
That’s probably why he keeps asking Dutch to let him go back to collect.
that and he wanted the bounty put on dutch’s head. if you go to the hideout micah had in strawberry after he leaves it, you can see a wanted poster of dutch saying how much the law wants for his head
How much was the bounty?
@@rg2424 $10,000
I have never been so heartbroken by a videogame. 100% A++ story.
The length of the vid is not a problem. Good video. 👍
Its funny how one of the biggest paying scores you get from a story mission, which was the Valentine bank robbery. Was led by Bill Williamson, and was done with Karen, Lenny and Arthur. That job can give you $20G in total, with a $2,500 cut for Arthur. This is also only in chapter 3. I dont remember if there's a mission that gives you anything bigger than that for the gang
Sodom? Back to Gomorrah was RDR2's version of Four Leaf Clover from GTAIV. Funny, too, because both are bank robberies that get pretty messy, but which are ultimately successful.
they had enough money to go to tahiti
@@DDM_08 and to the moon when you factor all that crazy heist money Dutch had been sitting on since Blackwater
The Saint Denis one was the biggest but (spoiler warning) you didn’t get if because the ship sank
The Blackwater heist was the mother lode. Dutch being the true psychopath lunatic that he was, was literally hiding/sitting on some $60,000 from that heist the ENTIRE game. That translates into some $8M+ USD in today's money! He sat on this retirement nest egg and kept getting his ppl killed for no damned reason at all except for sheer greed. All was quiet until Chap 6 when Abigail busted his selfish ass stealing the key to his loot chest.
There was that one part during the Saint Denis heist when Arthur said "It was a trap, just like that Blackwater job you did." And Micah says "It ain't nothing like that."
The response in Saint Denis was incredibly fast.
I think it is far more likely that he saw in Dutch a reflection of the brother he lost, which would make sense considering he is the only member of the gang he seems to fraternize with and that he pushes him to act in the same way it appears he and his brother acted.