What happened to Javier after Red Dead Redemption 2?

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  • @CynicGTA
    @CynicGTA  5 месяцев назад +41

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  • @calebrodarte7888
    @calebrodarte7888 5 месяцев назад +431

    He was such an underutilized character, but he had that shit on him. (his gun, his clothes, his boots had the gold plates etc. he had an elegance that surpassed dutch’s)

    • @kingman-fm4dq
      @kingman-fm4dq 5 месяцев назад +31

      he had the drip

    • @oralevato1841
      @oralevato1841 5 месяцев назад +44

      That's because he's mexican mexicans are the original cowboys of North America, we taught Americans how to be cowboys, cowboy culture runs deeper in mexico than here in America. Gold and silver belts and guns are very normal in mexico

    • @calebrodarte7888
      @calebrodarte7888 5 месяцев назад +13

      @@oralevato1841 oh yeah ofc my grandparents were very hispanic and i grew up watching westerns and also a cool little thing isbin the epilogue as john, in new austin when looting, the del lobos have the most valuables outta all the other gangs u fight

    • @marinablack181
      @marinablack181 4 месяца назад

      ​@@calebrodarte7888"Very Hispanic" ok bro

  • @FishistixIsHere
    @FishistixIsHere 3 месяца назад +146

    What happened was that he lost all his style, RIP Javier Rizzuala 🙏😔

  • @docproc144
    @docproc144 5 месяцев назад +475

    I always liked Javier, Bill too really. Bill always just seemed misunderstood to me, like he wanted to be accepted by the rest instead of ridiculed all the time. I think the actor who played Bill said he’d like to think that Bill would’ve joined John and Arthur if they had the chance to talk with him one on one.

    • @themangledwither
      @themangledwither 5 месяцев назад +23

      Yoy know I was once in a stage production of clue and I was tasked with playing colonel mustard and as such I took inspiration from bill Williamson for how I played him

    • @421less1
      @421less1 4 месяца назад +29

      There's a ch 6 mission where argur and are alone and bill basically tells you shut up and trust dutch. This was before arthur knew he was a rat, but when John comes back saying dutch left him, and arthur knowing and telling the gang about Micah.
      At least Javier is conflicted. I don't hate Bill, i even enjoy him at times because my hometown is full of idiots with an inferiority complex and it's funny. But that's all bill was I think, seemed like he just saw it as him moving up, instead of realizing that it was over.

    • @MedroffYT
      @MedroffYT 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@421less1 how do we know you're not one of those idiots 😂

    • @421less1
      @421less1 3 месяца назад +4

      @@MedroffYT because I couldn't like me less if I tried

    • @MedroffYT
      @MedroffYT 3 месяца назад +1

      @@421less1 being self depreciating is the new idiotic

  • @theflyingdutchman1301
    @theflyingdutchman1301 5 месяцев назад +356

    Always felt bad for Javier at the end in Beaverhollow, Javier is obviously torn between his brothers. Unlike Bill, Javier doesnt follow blindly he has intelligence and insight ultimately still siding with Dutch without really raising his gun towards his former brothers. Siding with Dutch here really was a terrible decision we can only speculate but i cannot see John hunting Javier down if he sided with John (more Arthur but still) John and Javier siding together getting out of there perhaps even with Bill there would have been a awesome scenario.

    • @Billy_the-cat
      @Billy_the-cat 5 месяцев назад +16

      Bill also cares for Arthur but he didn't learn anything from the past events and decided to put blind loyalty over common sense

    • @matthew4326
      @matthew4326 5 месяцев назад +18

      Javier was never conflicted. What game did you play. He was always like "Dutch is right" "stick by dutch" the entire game all he did was make excuses for dutch.

    • @scrimpsy
      @scrimpsy 5 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@matthew4326Thank you for not putting an ounce of thought into neither the video nor OP's comment.

    • @matthew4326
      @matthew4326 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@scrimpsy 😘

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 5 месяцев назад +3

      There’s a lot I can say about ur comment but imma just agree with the last thing u said about John not going after Javier, bc he was never actually ordered to go against him in the first place, he only does so bc Bill was still in contact with him and he knew he’d be with Javier, but when turning him in to Ross John asks “Can we assume one of my commitments is cleared” to which Fordham replies “until we have Williamson, nothing is cleared”. In case u don’t know what that’s implying it’s basically John asking if Javier is good enough instead of Bill but they reject it saying Bill is still a priority, basically making John turning Javier in for nothing except an extra head for Ross to claim

  • @claudeehdrianlambojon2585
    @claudeehdrianlambojon2585 5 месяцев назад +51

    All of the gang members started to change after Hosea died.

    • @Jphantom213
      @Jphantom213 9 дней назад

      Yah bc Hosea was basically the leader .once u see your leader or advisor die then u start losing hope .

  • @Fieryxjoe
    @Fieryxjoe 5 месяцев назад +99

    On top of him aiming in the air at the end. He also missed all the drama before he ran over to say the pinkertons were on their way. So Arthur accusing Micah and John's return and claims Dutch left him were missed by Javier. He just saw Grimshaw get shot and Arthur and John vs the gang and took the gangs side.

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 5 месяцев назад +33

      Except the fact Javier was literally one of the men that left John to die along with Dutch. Replay the mission and you’ll see Javier’s cold expression as Micah and Dutch blatantly lie about John being killed. That’s also why John confronts him in rdr1 with “What you and Dutch did was wrong, the way you left me was wrong” and Javier just looks down with guilt knowing he screwed up. Plus Javier wasn’t one of John’s targets so John went after him out of revenge and hoping he can just turn him in instead of Bill so he can finally see his family

    • @JavierEscuella1899
      @JavierEscuella1899 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@josephstalin2606he didn't go for revenge. escuella was helping bill, he went for information, but javier didn't sell him out. (even when he said to john that he could take him to bill, he was clearly lying because he lied about dutch being in colombia)

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 4 месяца назад +5

      @@JavierEscuella1899 And then he immediately sells out Bill anyways the moment John lassos him 😂 He would’ve done anything to save his own skin, that’s why John doesn’t take it easy on him bc he sees right through his lies. You’re right about the sole reason him getting Javier isn’t JUST revenge, but there’s still the theme of it bc again, Javier isn’t actually a target but John went for Javier not just to get info, but to try and turn him in instead of Bill
      That’s why when John hands Javier over to Fordham and Ross he asks them “Can we assume one of my commitments is cleared” AKA can Javier be taken in place of Bill or Dutch and Fordham rejects it saying “Until we have Williamson, nothing is cleared” and John is visibly angry bc now he still has to go after Bill and went thru the effort of handing Javier over for nothing
      Now don’t forget, Javier LEFT John to DIE in RDR2, he’s seen expressionless behind Dutch as he lies to Arthur saying John was killed yet John reveals they straight up ditched him, just listen to the dialogue when he confronts Javier, he shows more hostility and anger towards Javier than he ever does to Bill or Dutch, Bill bc he was on the train and didn’t leave him to die then and Dutch bc of how he helped him take out Micah years later

  • @ashenking5013
    @ashenking5013 5 месяцев назад +83

    Hard to say if Javier and Bill regrouped with Dutch after Beaver Hollow or they fled the Pinkertons and Dutch never sought them out. He would have gotten the story about Micah from Bill and regardless of ending, Micah runs off with the money. Javier knows he had to avoid the remnants of the gang as they would either alert the authorities or shoot him on sight.

  • @maksymalnybul6145
    @maksymalnybul6145 5 месяцев назад +39

    10:15 You can literally see during shootout with pinkertons how their two dots on the map seperate from others in different direction.

  • @Khoros-Mythos
    @Khoros-Mythos 5 месяцев назад +144

    It will probably never happen, but a Red Dead Revolución exploring Javier's backstory would be awesome. For those who don't know Red Dead Revolver was actually the first Red Dead game not Redemption, so it is possible we'll get a Red Dead spin-off game at some point.

    • @Nathator97
      @Nathator97 5 месяцев назад +21

      Red Dead Revolución actually sounds really cool! I dont think it could be as large as rdr1 or 2, but maybe a shorter game that covers Javier’s history and how he found Dutch. Could also lead to other games that cover different gang members’s background

    • @raze5783
      @raze5783 5 месяцев назад +7

      I feel like Rockstar needs to stray away from making any more games involving the Van Der Linde gang.

    • @Hiddenus1
      @Hiddenus1 5 месяцев назад +13

      @@Nathator97 If anything, they should just do RDR1 remake and Javier's story being a DLC or something like that. It's not like he'd be in different areas than RDRs take place.

    • @klankids
      @klankids 3 месяца назад +2

      Red Dead Revolution is such a hard name

    • @just_right9642
      @just_right9642 3 месяца назад

      Red dead revolver is only a red dead game in name, other than cowboys it is completely separate

  • @Zarkil
    @Zarkil 5 месяцев назад +77

    I hated how Arthur and Javier split towards the end. Javier was cool and slick, I loved the camp scene when he scares the shit out of Micah. When the only thing he would really say to you at beaver hollow was "What happened to loyalty?" that actually hurt.
    I could see him leaving in the chaos after the Pinkerton attack. Like Charles nobody in the gang cared that he was hispanic, except Micah and probably Micah's two friends. He would default to Dutch in the standoff but I think Dutch leaving John and what the gang was now might have caused him to leave. At the beginning of the game he's willing to go look for John because "He'd do the same for me". The new gang wouldn't do that for him.

    • @Zarkil
      @Zarkil 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@grumpy-wolfman That's a really good point. To the best of my knowledge, while Arthur had complained about how things were going, that was the first time he publicly challenged Dutch's authority. When Grimshaw killed Molly she criticizes Arthur who was trying to stop Dutch from killing her because that's the code. After Arthur throws out Strauss I believe it's Karen, could be someone else since I haven't played through the game in awhile, who asks him if he's going to throw them out too. Helping the Indians and not telling Dutch could also be seen as not putting the gang first. Not saying what Arthur did was wrong but I can see how other gang members could see them as him undermining Dutch and the gang.

  • @soldierofchrist4ever
    @soldierofchrist4ever 5 месяцев назад +15

    Great video. Interesting note: During the first train robbery mission Dutch asks the gang if they're ready and everyone replies "ready" but Javier replies "ready Dutch." I just found that interesting in light of your video. Cheers!

  • @ghostysniper5896
    @ghostysniper5896 5 месяцев назад +26

    The quality of your videos are amazing! You deserve a lot more subscribers!

    • @CynicGTA
      @CynicGTA  5 месяцев назад +7

      Aye, I appreciate that thank you! Honestly as long as you enjoy what i put out im happy

  • @phillipjones4862
    @phillipjones4862 3 месяца назад +1

    Love how you were playing Red Dead Revolver theme in the back ground brought it back to where it all started love it !!!

  • @Mini_Pixels
    @Mini_Pixels 5 месяцев назад +17

    I feel like in the end of Chapter 6, Maybe Javier could have changed his mind in the process of running away with Dutch then separated to catch up with Arthur and John and help John escape in the midst of climbing up the mountain.
    But realistically thinking, they all separated and only cared on escaping the chaos and living from it.

    • @kingman-fm4dq
      @kingman-fm4dq 5 месяцев назад +3

      highly doubt he would try and help John and even if he did, by the time he reached the cliff he would prob find John gone and maybe Arthur dead idk

  • @ChanceClubs
    @ChanceClubs 3 месяца назад +6

    Javier DOES point his weapon at John and Arthur. This idea that people have that he doesn’t is literally just false. He's not hesitating, he's SLOWLY lowering the pistol instead of immediately pointing it. You can see him bringing it level at Arthur right before the cutscene fades away, and then when it switches to gameplay, he's literally pointing his gun right at the two of them when the Pinkertons start shooting.

    • @wolf92Aila
      @wolf92Aila 20 дней назад

      Everybody says that, because the actor of Javier himself said that he didn't point his gun at the two in a interview.

    • @tjlbs21
      @tjlbs21 6 дней назад

      yea false go watch it on ur own and actor who played said he never aimed at them so I’ll take his word over a random guy who’s spewing whatever

    • @tyler6602
      @tyler6602 5 дней назад

      @tjlbs21 the actor didn't make the cutscenes himself he literally just voice acted, and on top of that he isn't wrong at all lmao

    • @wolf92Aila
      @wolf92Aila 5 дней назад +2

      @@tyler6602 The actor did make the scene. In interviews they talk about it really long and often. It's called motion capture, so the actors were needed to make the characters alive.

  • @smt_wtty
    @smt_wtty 5 месяцев назад +10

    Hey man keep it up we need more red dead creators never mind just content creators like uou

  • @DoomguardKino
    @DoomguardKino 5 месяцев назад +6

    Literally just finished the last mission in Mexico and was going to bed when i saw this had just been posted lol

  • @AliAli-jj1vg
    @AliAli-jj1vg 5 месяцев назад +8

    Javier is one of my favorite characters in rdr 2 after i knew more how to play.

  • @axelchampagnac2991
    @axelchampagnac2991 5 месяцев назад +18

    You should cover the the Callander Boys next 😁👍.

    • @theflyingdutchman1301
      @theflyingdutchman1301 5 месяцев назад +3

      Callander Brothers are very interesting indeed and almost never talked about, as i commented previous on other content "Rockstar does plan ahead with events and characters like Heide McCort here. And they also do it in RDR2 in a very subtle way most people seem to forget with Mac and Davey Challander the brothers are mentioned quite alot through-out the story. They mysteriously die before RDR2 really starts as perhaps a perfect setup for future games perhaps even as main-characters like you can play multiple main-characters in GTA V. With members like Bill and others mentioning how much he misses them and that they were great, and members like Charles remembering them as pure outlaws and terrible people most likely having to do with the honor system every RDR game has."

    • @valx7586
      @valx7586 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@theflyingdutchman1301 an especially good point when you consider another gang member died just before the story and we only hear about her like once

  • @dankrkfks-ew9gb
    @dankrkfks-ew9gb 5 месяцев назад

    these videos need more love

  • @kotekiu
    @kotekiu 5 месяцев назад +6

    It isn’t hard to believe his change of character, he is obviously much more erratic after Guarma and that is evident by how he treats the other gang members at Beaver Hollow. He later helps Dutch leave John to die in Our Best Selves and doesn’t oppose to leaving Jack an orphan and Abigail in Pinkerton custody. This already shows that he has no qualms about leaving his brothers for money, he then ditches Dutch presumably with Bill since he isn’t present when Dutch and the remaining gang members shoot at John and Arthur. Then later in 1911 starts working for the Mexican Government by being a hitman for Allende which clearly opposes the views that Javier had in RDR2. Dude got a taste of money and ditched all his ideals. People change, especially over twelve years.

  • @lukebullen705
    @lukebullen705 5 месяцев назад +5

    Wish we got more of Javier in RDR2

  • @jessefrost6730
    @jessefrost6730 5 месяцев назад +3

    I think we need the back story of all the other characters it could be one game where we play as multiple characters before and after we meet them in rdr2

  • @shannonunger7547
    @shannonunger7547 5 месяцев назад +13

    during the final standoff in rdr2, Javier was pointing his gun up and honestly Javier is one of my favorites and had the most drip.

    • @xeinem2345
      @xeinem2345 19 дней назад

      but in the next shot, he has his gun pointed at them

  • @Deyone_Jackson
    @Deyone_Jackson Месяц назад +1

    Didn't notice it how they actually developed that link between Dutch and these outlaw Indians in RDR2, guess I just didn't think much about it. But it makes sense that some of these young Indians would later on re-join with Dutch to keep up the fight and find some more young Indian men over time to join them. Dutch already knew how to manipulate them and so he probably just kept doing that to survive and with his name recognition, most probably already heard of his legend and so the motivation would be high from the start to join his crew.

  • @verycheesy2149
    @verycheesy2149 2 месяца назад +1

    You should cover Rip Van Winkle next April 🙏🙏

  • @iceluvndiva21
    @iceluvndiva21 2 месяца назад +2

    This is honestly the most painful betrayal in the game as far I'm concerned. Because Javier dose care and we can clearly see that but when Rhodes or Gaurma hits? It's when he just...I don't know if he doubles down or he just is trying to avoid choosing between people he cares about.. But when he refuses to point his gun at Arthur and John or micha and dutch? That's honestly what hurt more than anything he's done. Not because of right or wrong but because it's very human to not want to choose between people who you care about.

  • @pm.meowth4850
    @pm.meowth4850 5 месяцев назад +24

    to be fair they are all killers, its dutches gaslighting that messes up the players pov…even if youre a high honor player you still kill people…youre in a gang of outlaws😂

    • @ryanlopez1050
      @ryanlopez1050 4 месяца назад +2

      Well duh you’re not a good person,but an honorable one at that, depends how you play too, you could be a menace and die a menace 😂

  • @twinphalanx4465
    @twinphalanx4465 5 месяцев назад +3

    Perhaps instead of John we could have been given control of Javier for the epilogue of rfr2

  • @OnDaWayMMA
    @OnDaWayMMA 5 месяцев назад +2

    Everytime i see “bill… Javier…. Think for yourselves….” My heart skips a beat hoping the story miraculously changes and they side with aruthur

  • @GamingSkeptic
    @GamingSkeptic 5 месяцев назад +10

    A Javier DLC would be amazing.

  • @Makarosc
    @Makarosc 5 месяцев назад +19

    I think in the original the van Der linde gang was meant to be a lot more slimey similar to the O'Driscolls but this was overwritten by Red Dead 2

    • @StephenMckeighen
      @StephenMckeighen 5 месяцев назад +5

      Also larger, in fact it was closer to the O'Driscoll Gang in terms of size with Blackwater killing about a dozen gang members instead of just Mac, Jenny, and Davey

    • @b.u.l.1734
      @b.u.l.1734 5 месяцев назад +10

      It's never stated in RDR 1 the number of victims of the Blackwater Massacre. The whole "dozen dead gangmembers" stuff is a big-ass Mandela-Effect thing that some people seem to suffer.

    • @Makarosc
      @Makarosc 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@b.u.l.1734 I thought it was just bad journalism also was it ever said in rdr 1 that it was Dutch's boys?

    • @b.u.l.1734
      @b.u.l.1734 5 месяцев назад

      @@Makarosc Nope. That's in RDR 2.

  • @Sk0p3rIII
    @Sk0p3rIII 12 часов назад

    It's interesting that Dutch is the catalyst of change and he himself preaches that change can't be fought, sort of like fate that is set in stone and so is change at least in RDR

  • @kvtthroatt
    @kvtthroatt 3 месяца назад +1

    i think javier realized at that point he didnt really know what to trust or believe anymore because he was only following orders, dutch took authur and john in which makes them brothers in a way and he didnt want to deal with the end result at that time because at that moment when they all aimed at eachother he knew he couldnt trust his family no more, so he took that chance to restart in mexico but all he knows what to do is kill and follow orders and has 0 family or fighting cause anymore so he became cold and feared in mexico as a bounty hunter who will take any job for the right price, and the army picked up on that and seen his skills and made him a personal hitman that allowed him to do as he please as long as he does the job knowing the hit he has on his head it was either he takes that option or die in mexico like how they set up john in rdr1 because its no doubt the mexican army is corrupt in rdr1 so i think its a high chance they gave him a deal and javier accepted it for his protection but also to keep him in watch if he doesnt follow up with orders

  • @GabrielRibant
    @GabrielRibant 5 месяцев назад

    What a great and well made video!!

  • @knightingale9833
    @knightingale9833 5 месяцев назад +2

    Glad someone's finally addressed this because that's the most disappointing thing about RDR2, we don't learn jack squat about what happens to Dutch, Bill and Javier after John leaves the gang. We don't learn when or why Javier and Bill left, how Javier returned to Mexico and worked for the government, how Bill became a gang leader, or how Dutch became the leader of some Native Americans. During chapter 6 I thought that the Wapiti would probably turn out to be them, but then Charles leads them away and they go to Canada, so who were they and how did Dutch find them?

    • @maulressurected4405
      @maulressurected4405 4 месяца назад

      Not only Bill building and leading a game but taking over Fort Mercer which is full of Del Lobo's. That and it's implied that Bill and Javier kept in touch or knew where to find each other.

  • @killjoy3151
    @killjoy3151 4 месяца назад +2

    What if Allende's government used Javier's loved ones as a bargaining tool to force him to take down revolutionaries in the same way that the pinkertons used John to get to Javier,Bill and Dutch by taking Jack and Abigail?🤔

  • @raidenshockX
    @raidenshockX 4 месяца назад +2

    i always found javier a interesting character. too bad he did not get too much screen time on rdr2.

  • @nateeldabaa2411
    @nateeldabaa2411 Месяц назад

    I wonder what he thought when he heard about Arthur's death

  • @bigskypioneer1898
    @bigskypioneer1898 2 месяца назад

    It could be that with Arthur and John gone, Dutch's paranoia most likely would have shifted toe Javier and Bill. In my head canon, they either split off from Dutch in the immediate aftermath of Beaver Hollow - I'm sorry but it is unbelievable to me that if they were all a part of that family for years - to actually witness Dutch's lack of care for Susan's demise and how Dutch coldly held a gun on the 2 men he once called "son" had to shake them up on _some_ level. That both men had powers of introspection we learn by watching gang interactions in the first 3 chapters. Back to my main point - if they remained with Dutch much longer after the gang fractured, they would have seen Dutch's madness shift to looking at them with suspicion. For me, it makes more sense they left in the chaos of the escape from Roanoke Ridge, separately. A good meal and a good night's rest away from Dutch and Micahs poison could have brought at least one to their senses... that the thing about downward spirals, when you're caught in one, they are tough to see a way out of... but once you are out and the world calms down - you can recognize the chaos.

  • @lochydachy7756
    @lochydachy7756 5 месяцев назад +1

    You should make more videos focused on rdr1 characters, I think Seth would make a good video

    • @CynicGTA
      @CynicGTA  5 месяцев назад +2

      Read my mind. I was actually thinking the same thing the other day.

  • @Emz1496
    @Emz1496 4 месяца назад

    I've always thought Javier fled to mexico after gang broke up

  • @sedohema
    @sedohema 3 дня назад

    No such thing as spoilers 6yrs in. Either you played it or you didn't. And if you haven't, you're never gonna.

  • @Ghoulstille
    @Ghoulstille 5 месяцев назад +3

    I think Javier was a rebel because he wanted power then he met Dutch and had nothing better to do as he was stuck in the USA but follow him around. There was always something a little off about Javier to me like a darkness to him and he seen that in Dutch and figured he could learn from Dutch. Yeah he was loyal to the members of the gang as much as a rebel outlaw could be and while he harboured no ill will towards John and Arthur until the gang was at Beaver Hollow and he didn't wanna kill Arthur or John at that time he still chose to stand behind Dutch with that Fool Bill and those 2 Idiots Micah brought in which proves to me that darkness he had won over. When Dutch walked away and abandoned everyone his two most loyal pawns that were left well one was always a drunken fool (Bill) and the other went totally into the darkness (Javier).
    John says he went crazy in RDR1 and while that's probably true considering he became a MERC willing to turn against his own rebels for cash, he always had that darkness and I think if Dutch had not saved him in Guarma he would have probably abandoned the gang. His misguided sense of loyalty kept him around, It's why he was so bitchy towards Arthur and John when they grew a brain and realized Dutch was full of it.

  • @iconicnzz6414
    @iconicnzz6414 5 месяцев назад +16

    See, this is probably the hottest take I have for RDR2, but I also believe there is some legitimate substance to it. I firmly believe that the Van Der Linde gang was too big for it's own good. Not just narratively, but functionally. By trying to fill out the ranks of the gang instead of fleshing out characters who are actually essential to the story, the writers end up having to artificially drum up tension for characters like Lenny and Sean, characters who were it not for the one or two dedicated missions together, would be completely meaningless to the player. Manwhile you have Bill and Javier, whom despite being large parts of the first game as unseen objectives, are treated almost exactly the same with almost no screentime. All in all it just feels like characters aren't given time to breath, like, you have to remind yourself that Abiagle, Jack, and Uncle even exist, while also trying to keep the names of the three girls straight. But hey, that's just my opinion.

    • @raze5783
      @raze5783 5 месяцев назад +8

      I agree. The only notable characters in the gang that had any real substance or true character that made them feel more than just a “member” were Dutch, Arthur, John, Hosea, Micah-plus Sadie and Charles towards the later half of RDR2.
      Everyone else in the gang kinda just felt “there”, especially the likes of Molly, Pearson, Uncle, Ms. Grimshaw and the rest of the women. Anything we know about a lot of other members is through small interactions at camp, a few of the side missions that don’t pertain to the story or whatever kind of RDR2 lore you can dive into.
      But I do realize some characters weren’t meant to have big roles or characters that you knew all about. There’s a lot of mystery in RDR that is left to the player’s on interpretation- which is something I think Rockstar did intentionally.

    • @Mr92094
      @Mr92094 5 месяцев назад +4

      I thought the same and hotter take it completely butchers RDR1’s storyline. The idea that Hosea and Arthur aren’t even mentioned despite functioning as co-leaders by anyone else is far fetched at best. Never mind John himself saying it was a small ruthless gang and yet there are like 20 people involved that we see and it’s implied they were even bigger prior and again no mention either

    • @raze5783
      @raze5783 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@Mr92094 Yep. The gang was a lot bigger than it was in RDR2. I believe they lost at least 2-3 members in Blackwater right before RDR2 started.

    • @fenixchief7
      @fenixchief7 Месяц назад +2

      That was obviously the story they were trying to tell. Javier and Bill werent even huge parts of the first game. As targets, yes but they still took a backseat to Bonnie, West Dickens, Irish, Seth, the entire Mexican cast including the girl that dies for Reyes. All of them are much more active in the story without even touching on Ross, Dutch and Johns family.

    • @fenixchief7
      @fenixchief7 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@Mr92094 it doesnt really. Nobody ever mentions specifics, just broad strokes. Going off the first game alone, we really have no idea about any of it other than Dutch went crazy and John got shot on the riverboat and left for dead. We assumed for years it all took place on the riverboat (it probably was intended) but its never elaborated on.
      The whole premise of RDR1 was tying off the loose ends from the gang. That there was more to it originally doesnt change that. Some people just like to complain I guess

  • @ryanswaynow
    @ryanswaynow 5 месяцев назад +2

    I think rather than hang him, Javier got conscripted into military service to shore up our numbers for the impending World War I. I think Jack also joined the military to escape the law after killing Ross, leading to the two men reuniting for a World War I adventure during which Jack learns who his real father is…
    OK so I don’t think that’s actually what happened but I think it would make a pretty good game

  • @randomnessofgenius1996
    @randomnessofgenius1996 2 месяца назад

    i feel like why would Egar Ross says to bring him dead or alive option like WHY?! i just dont know why i want my theory is that the fact he gave Javier a plea bargin..possibly..like idk why. but i have SOOOO MANY THEORIES!

  • @sherlybrizuela2072
    @sherlybrizuela2072 3 месяца назад

    to save 17 minutes from the video
    john finds him in mexico and can either capture him without killing him or kill him

  • @user-fh5zb6bu4b
    @user-fh5zb6bu4b 5 месяцев назад +1

    Can u make a vid on if Jack got shipped to italy

    • @raze5783
      @raze5783 5 месяцев назад

      What is there to possibly be talked about? Nobody knows or can predict how things would’ve turned out if Jack got shipped off. 💀🤣

  • @keecko8169
    @keecko8169 20 дней назад

    Javier also seemed to have reason to be very trusting of Dutch, we can assume, based on the visible scar on his neck, that someone in either Mexico, but much more likely the US, had tried to slit Javier's throat, so Javier would obviously have been very cautious around Americans at the time, but Javier saw Dutch and felt really like Dutch was everything Javier strived to be, I mean for Christ Sake they found each other while both were stealing Chickens from the same coop. So Javier would likely have never doubted Dutch enough to ask him about anything over the plan..

  • @isaiahevans
    @isaiahevans 5 месяцев назад

    @CynicGTA could u do a Playthrough of rdr2

  • @piotr3580
    @piotr3580 5 месяцев назад +9

    The way dutch took Javier into gang shows that the REAL Dutch was in fact good man.

    • @thenappyheadskater5235
      @thenappyheadskater5235 5 месяцев назад +2

      Key word is "was"

    • @Smokeycola
      @Smokeycola 5 месяцев назад +8

      No, Javier was just easy to control, easy to pull to his side

    • @piotr3580
      @piotr3580 5 месяцев назад

      @@thenappyheadskater5235 Real Dutch I said didn't I?

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 5 месяцев назад +7

      Not really tho bc yes he took in a starving young lad but then instead of providing legitimate opportunities for him he indoctrinated him into his outlaw ways and basically holds the fact that he saved him over his head by demanding loyalty, even if he doesn’t outright say it he doesn’t have to. Then you realize the pattern that almost all of them joined the gang bc Dutch played the savior and helped them, the only exceptions being Micah which also explains why Micah sees the rest of the gang as weak. So then it begs the question was Dutch genuinely trying to be good or did he see an opportunity and play the savior role? This is perfectly shown in how he helps Eagle Flies too and Arthur realizes he sees how Dutch manipulated him his whole life

    • @marinablack181
      @marinablack181 4 месяца назад +2

      Just because he wasn't racist to one person he was a good man?
      Pretty low bar.

  • @Nick_Sivo
    @Nick_Sivo 2 месяца назад

    How does music on 0:48 called?

  • @JonahFinch-li7zn
    @JonahFinch-li7zn 5 месяцев назад

    Do Kieran next

  • @evildestroyer6129
    @evildestroyer6129 Месяц назад

    I think it would have been cool that in rdr1 if John was able to recruit Javier and Bill to hunt down Dutch kinda gta5 style, that would have been sick. Instead they took Dutch's side and died in the end because of it

  • @coma_blood
    @coma_blood Месяц назад

    I'm surprised nobody in the comments brought this up, but when Javier is in the final showdown & it seems like hes not pointing his gun directly at Arthur & John is because the actor for Javier kept doing the scene wrong. Javier is pointing his gun at them its canon.

  • @phillipjones4862
    @phillipjones4862 3 месяца назад

    Just thought why didn’t Javier and bill stay with Dutch

  • @Soothsayrtw
    @Soothsayrtw 2 месяца назад

    Can you do a vid about why the feds wanted escuela alive. I tried looking for why but haven’t found a reason. Just know if you bring him in dead they comment on it, yet they didn’t care about bill that much, didn’t even want his body like escuela.

  • @colbyhann1808
    @colbyhann1808 28 дней назад

    so tempting to watch but im waiting for rdr to drop on pc lol cant watch cause of spoilers lol have to come back after lol

  • @landlockedcroat1554
    @landlockedcroat1554 4 месяца назад

    he was already a killer cowpoke

  • @AROB_PROD
    @AROB_PROD 17 дней назад

    Javier was a HIMOTHY SIDE CHARACTER🥶🥶🥶

  • @R7SkIlZ
    @R7SkIlZ 11 дней назад

    Thank you for realizing people still have not played rdr2 or 1 yet

  • @OGbornsinnerz
    @OGbornsinnerz 5 месяцев назад

    WE NEED A RED DEAD MOVIE OR TV SERIES

  • @Cartoon_Cartoon187
    @Cartoon_Cartoon187 7 дней назад

    I understand why Karen went the route she went nobody seemed to care about when Sean died, Jack gets kidnapped and then Kieran is beheaded that’s hard on a 25, 26 year old

  • @bigrobwazhere6268
    @bigrobwazhere6268 5 месяцев назад +5

    Javier Mexico DLC would have went so hard!

  • @turbofox4177
    @turbofox4177 5 месяцев назад +1

    I love red dead redemption so much but everytime i beat rdr2 i kind of wish the original didnt exist. In my eyes the story is perfect but there is some wasted potential with the conclusion of certain characters stories. But at the end of the day im just yappin

  • @maybeky
    @maybeky 5 месяцев назад +3

    Could you make a "What If Colm didnt get killed and saw the Monster Dutch Became in rdr1"?

  • @El_Krani
    @El_Krani 5 месяцев назад

    Yk one thing that isnt mentioned about Javier and Mexico? In the 1800’s the US took basically the entire West away from Mexico, something that still bothers Mexicans TO THIS DAY, i wonder if Dutch used that as an angle to lock Javier into the gang

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 5 месяцев назад +1

      No Javier wouldn’t care about that, Mexicans were already treating each other like shit and Javier and his family were peasants to Allendes family and they tortured them just for asking for better wages. This is what caused Javier to become a revolutionary and then in America he meets a fellow revolutionary in Dutch which is why he admires him. It wouldn’t have anything to do with America and Mexicos relations

  • @joshlowe6918
    @joshlowe6918 3 месяца назад

    I don't like that arthurs outfits and hats don't really look 1899. They look more early 1900s. Like 20s I wish they gave us alil more of a selection in the general stores and shops. I know each city had its own. Outfits. But I mean piecing it together. I hardly ever wear default clothing in any game I play.

  • @icebreakergamez1344
    @icebreakergamez1344 22 дня назад +1

    I love Javier but he put up an act he started being rude to Charles asking what’s his problem and to use his brain and Javier said Javier:do you want to die? And Arthur said to Charles Arthur: We should’ve left him to die in gurama the little sack of shit. So Javier is probably a bad person after chapter 5 but came with an act and lost himself believing he was still a good person, the thing is I think at chapter 6 at the end he realised what he was kinda doing and didn’t shoot then after lost his mind.

  • @MikefromTexas1
    @MikefromTexas1 3 месяца назад

    Javier was a cool dude, shame he dove head-first into Low Honor.

  • @MetalSnake6199
    @MetalSnake6199 2 месяца назад

    He's such a cool character, shame he went for oppression rather than liberation of the weak.

  • @Johnnytree67
    @Johnnytree67 5 месяцев назад +2

    Javier dlc please

  • @titustavares335
    @titustavares335 5 месяцев назад

    How tf can one strive to be something, actually be it, but still somehow give off the personality of someone trying to be something they’re not? Maybe it’s cuz the only thing he TRULY believes in, is what Micah does: It doesn’t matter. No one cares. They all leave. It just doesn’t matter. The bad things impacts him more, so it must be the truth, is what he’s thinking. Apathy is the real main antagonist of this game. All the people in it just have massive boo-boos. Think about that, then look at every “bad guy” character in that light.

  • @thatmimetuber585
    @thatmimetuber585 15 дней назад

    im learning spanish so i don't need subtitles and i can insult the people in guarma in spanish

  • @aurumone_exe
    @aurumone_exe 5 месяцев назад

    Where did Dutch go, fucking twice? He just goes silent & walks off screen. Easy to assume he gave up scheming since he was so bad at it, but what actually happened yknow?

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W

  • @user-ij3ke2yq7b
    @user-ij3ke2yq7b 3 месяца назад

    Dutch is nor the problem it's Micha

  • @thelowground7741
    @thelowground7741 5 месяцев назад +1

    Javier does in fact point his gun at arthur and john, common misconception.

    • @raze5783
      @raze5783 5 месяцев назад +1

      Javier doesn’t point his gun towards Arthur and John until the very last second, right before the lawmen start shooting. Javier was reluctant and hesitant up until that point- first he pointed the gun *away* from them at first, and then raised it to the sky after.

    • @EmmaVale-pj2zj
      @EmmaVale-pj2zj 3 месяца назад +1

      No he doesn't he pints it the air

  • @j-307
    @j-307 Месяц назад

    if rdr2 was made first javier would've definitely sided with john and arthur

    • @alexhodder4918
      @alexhodder4918 Месяц назад

      they shouldn’t have made him so likeable tbh. i just wanna know how he became so crooked inbetween 2 and 1

    • @j-307
      @j-307 Месяц назад

      @alexhodder4918 i think his actor in rdr2 was just gave a performance that made javier seem like a genuine good guy

  • @VeAmStream
    @VeAmStream 5 месяцев назад

    in my country it says: translate to Dutch.
    which means, he has a plan

  • @dillonklasse4980
    @dillonklasse4980 5 месяцев назад +8

    I honestly feel like we lost out on a lot of Javier and Bill content because the writers shoe horned John in way more than needed. We had an entire game and post game with John, and Arthur made him look like an incompetent idiot by comparison, we didn’t need more John.

  • @Smartypantskids1012
    @Smartypantskids1012 Месяц назад

    Javier’s voice in rdr2 does not match a Mexican immigrant who learns English it is more a American Mexican who Spanish is there second language he barely has an accent which has always annoyed me

  • @YTFanatic
    @YTFanatic 5 месяцев назад +2

    RDR3 story should probably be the story of Javier, Bill, and Dutch between 1907-1911. Showing their mental decline, struggles, and what they did to survive in New Austin, Mexico, and in Tall Trees and how they ended up to be. Also suffering from their decisions from Beaver Hollow. GTA V style with the ability to switch between each character.

    • @maulressurected4405
      @maulressurected4405 4 месяца назад +2

      That should have been DLC, or a expansion not big enough for a game but would be nice to have to set them up for where they need to be for Red Dead Redemption. Bill and Javier just disappear by the time John and Arthur escape the Beaver Hollow Caves. They aren't shown in the horse chase cutscene it's just Dutch, Micah, Joe, and Cleet. Their interactions during camp at chapter 6 they were all about loyalty then all of a sudden they aren't.

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    Www

  • @𝓒𝓪𝓽𝓵𝓸𝓿𝓮𝓻我爱猫
    @𝓒𝓪𝓽𝓵𝓸𝓿𝓮𝓻我爱猫 5 месяцев назад

    so sigma...

  • @WorthlessClips
    @WorthlessClips 5 месяцев назад +1

    Stop pretending rdr 1 doesnt exist

    • @CynicGTA
      @CynicGTA  5 месяцев назад +6

      Not sure what you mean. I speak of and reference things in rdr1 multiple times

  • @christianpellegrini5698
    @christianpellegrini5698 5 месяцев назад

    Do not tell this guy about RDR 1.

    • @CynicGTA
      @CynicGTA  5 месяцев назад +6

      There’s RDR1 clips in the video

    • @christianpellegrini5698
      @christianpellegrini5698 4 месяца назад

      @@CynicGTA It was my attempt a crappy joke based solely on the title of the video. I did watch the video and saw that there was RDR1 clips.

  • @jabronisauce6833
    @jabronisauce6833 5 месяцев назад

    He was just a bad person plain and simple granted he started off with good intentions but come on lmfao

  • @St-lucifer-96
    @St-lucifer-96 3 месяца назад

    Rockstar need to do a remake of red dead revolver that would be good

  • @chaseviking5096
    @chaseviking5096 5 месяцев назад

    RDR2 has been out for a few years now. There is zero need for "spoil warnings".

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 4 месяца назад

    Lore of What happened to Javier after Red Dead Redemption 2? Momentum 100

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W

  • @jabronisauce6833
    @jabronisauce6833 5 месяцев назад

    He was just a bad person plain and simple granted he started off with good intentions but come on lmfao

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W

  • @user-xl8hf7kr7l
    @user-xl8hf7kr7l 5 месяцев назад

    W