The Blood Feud of the Grays & Braithwaites - Red Dead Redemption 2
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Arthur may have been the muscle but he was arguably one of the smartest in the gang as well. It’s pretty clear that he was skeptical of both the Grays and Braithwaite’s supposedly not having a clue that they were being played. Turns out he was right that they did know. However no one listens to Arthur.
Arthur may not be smart, as in he's not knowledgeable about specific circumstances such as how to talk himself out of situations, science, art, or even history, but his area of expertise is in people. He can read almost everyone like they're an open book. It makes him the best option for a big brother type for the gang, as he can snuff out problems like Micah before they get outta hand. The problem is that he's not in charge, so Dutch, a smart man yet an unwise man, is fooled by a threat such as Micah.
@@cydude5856 well said
@@cydude5856 very true
@@cydude5856 'I KNOW PEOPLE!'
@@cydude5856 he's incredibly intelligent, and he's incredibly uneducated. Really tragic.
That mission when you and the gang assault the Braithwaite Manor was simply epic
Based
The best one tbh
one of the best moments in gaming
What makes it even better is the lengthy build up to that moment. It wouldn’t have hit as hard if you didn’t spend hours beforehand working for and against the Braithewaites and getting to know/hate them.
I took like 25 screenshots in that mission alone
I think it's entirely possible that Gertrude was JUST born with a cleft palate, but since they of course worried over their reputation, the Braithwaite's stuck her in that outhouse, and being trapped in that tiny hotbox her *entire life* is why she's insane.
Tbh, I'd say that she isn't insane, but possessed, as her outhouse faces butcher's creek, a place said to be be possessed and haunted by demons
@@MrNiceGuy249 Butcher's Creek isn't possessed by demons, their drinking water is infected by arsenic and lead.
its insane how 2 powerful families in a bloodfeud get obliterated in a couple of days by a gang of outlaws
It just shows it don't matter if you have the help or money your just like everyone else in the world.
The Van Der Linde gang is powerful, skilled outlaws, it's no wonder they wiped almost an entire bloodline
Not really. Take the modern drug cartels in south America and the USA. The USA could eliminate the leaders until the cartels realised that they're going to continuously be killed, yet why doesn't the USA? The cost of engaging in covert OPS? The cost the drug trade does to the economy is far greater, so what is it? Status quo. Follow the money.
@@thewaywardgrape3838 i kind of agree but even if you kill every cartel leaders more will take their place due to their country’s poverty and how big the demand for drugs is
@@thewaywardgrape3838unfortunately:(
I think I might have found the Braithwaite gold or at least part of it.
If you go back to the Braithwaite Manor after chapter 3, in what's left of the room to the left of Catherine's body, you can find a strong box containing 1 gold bar.
This could mean nothing or it could be the gold that started the feud. A gold bar is only worth 500 dollars, so if it is THE gold, it may be only part of it or it was maybe worth more back when the feud began. But, I personally like the idea of decades long feud over 500 dollars
That is an excellent theory. I like it.
500$ in 1899 was over 17k
@@ReaIly yeah, but the prices in game aren’t accurate to the real prices of 1899.
I am against this theory because how could their entire stash of gold be 1 bar?
+Christopher Groenewald It means nothing.
Faded Letter:
June 12th 1806
My Dearest Douglas,
The mere act of writing your name weakens me with longing. My exile in Connecticut has endured barely three weeks but it already feels like a lifetime since I last saw your wonderful smile. Why should the family into which I was born, and a surname that was imposed on me, dictate whom I can and cannot love? Like you always say, however, there are so many less fortunate than ourselves and subject to far worse partiality and narrow - mindedness.
Please take all that gold to the group I told you about; it should provide them with enough funding for another two years of operation so they can keep pressure on Congress to abolish the importation slaves into this country once and for all. Our two families are so blinded by avarice and bitterness that either they will not realize it is missing or they will assume the other has stolen from them.
Then come for me, my love, as we planned and we will flee somewhere far away, down to South America or across Europe, where we can simply live our lives as Douglas and Lucille, not as Master Gray and Miss Braithwaite.
Yours always,
Lucille
Lucille Braithwaite stole the Graithwaite gold and gave it to Douglas Gray who also took the Gray gold and then donated it to an abolitionist group.
This channel is so golden, I've been playing RDR2 again but now in my laptop and your videos complement my playthrough beautifully, I am now in Shady Belle, about to turn it into red dead depression.
For my seventh playthrough im about to get out of Rhodes
RDR2 on your laptop? damn, what model are you using?
@@jackakakreanxx5587 It's a MSI gaming laptop, nothing out of the ordinary, I don't play on ultra but it still looks much better than my xbox one haha, I love it.
@@Nokard I legit had a buddy recommending that one to me, I was like, why does that laptop sound familiar…
I'm on my 5th playthrough right now. I'm at guarma.
The Hatfield/McCoy inspiration is uncanny. One family was Scottish, one was English, one were Unionists, the other fought for the Confederacy, there's even a Romeo and Juliet romance (that ended similarly to the play).
They are both Confederate they both had slaves
@@justinslaughter8933 but to own slaves didn't mean then you were confederate, because in North states it was legal to own them with exceptions and if the South aimed for sedition it would because it was forbidden and make illegal to own slaves in new states. So while both families might have own slaves by nomean, mean one of them can't be unionist.
@@justinslaughter8933 don’t know where your getting your facts from Hatfield and Mccoys were lower class hillbillies who could never afford slaves. That was a right reserved for the rich one percent
@@fletcherpeterson1650 oh thank you I was mistaken
@@fletcherpeterson1650 I did know that slaves were reserved for the one percent but I did not know that they were hillbillies
This is honestly one of my favorite story arcs in RD2. It sets up how messed up the Vanderlin Gang gets throughout the story. Sure, the two families are bent, but the Gang capitalizes on it and get involved for their own benefit. If only the Grays & Braithwaites had learned to be civil, both families wouldn't have to meet such a tragic end. I just hope Beau & Penelope can find happiness, wherever they are.
Exactly this chapter showed me how ruthless the gang can be, destroying 2 families was crazy
They were both incredibly corrupt and morally deprived families. Both ex-slavers with a history of inbreeding. The Braithwaites specifically were involved with illegal moonshining and had ties to the Lemoyne Raiders and to Angelo Bronte's mob. In a way I honestly don't feel bad for them.
@@goombino_ they were gonna destroy each other anyways. Don't feel too bad about them
+Calvin Matthews "Vanderlin Gang"
For future reference, it's spelled Van Der Linde.
"If only the Grays & Braithwaites had learned to be civil, both families wouldn't have to meet such a tragic end"
Not being civil is the least of their concerns. Both families are filled to the brim with s**ty people. You ask me, they got what they deserved.
How does he manage to pump out so many videos??? It’s insane.
He has a lot of stamina
Lots and lots of cocaine gum
He raided Strauss’s stockpile and now he’s completely incapable of stopping or resting one bit; nothing but his mission of pumping out high quality content nonstop is guiding him.
the milk sock gives him unlimited strength and power
Meth
"Get in there! Find Jack! aNd FiNd ThAt BrAiThWaItE wOmAn!!"
Sean was being spied on the most by the grays in camp when Arthur has a sheriff badge Sean asks if anyone's felt eyes on them ever since they moved camp
I’ve beaten this game 5 times now but watching your videos make me want to run it back again…
Close to the end of my fourth because of this recent burst of content
9:14 Why did the Braithwaites keep feeding her rather than just letting her starve and rot in there when they presumably view her as a dirty family secret?
Some screwed up version of "love" I guess or maybe they believed that killing her / letting her die would also be a stain of the family 🤷♂️ for people like the Grays and Braithwaites, family or at least the appearance of family is everything.
You're right though, it doesn't make sense.
@@TheOvervoid It's actually a reference to JFK's family. JFK had a sister who had mental problems. The Family kept her in secret and even tried getting her a lobotomy.
imagine them going out and saying that they forgot something
*death noise from gertrude intensifies*
Or just shot her, and acted like it was an accident.
I think the old lady loved her in her own fucked up horrible way. If you go up to it the outhouse a few times shes usually calling out to her mom. And shes always shitting on her sons right up until they get shot in front of her.
If you go back to Braithwaite Manor after it's been destroyed, in addition to being able to loot a brooch from Katherine's body, there's a lockbox with a gold bar in it.
When I played chapter 3 for the first time I was proud to see Arthur see through the Grays and Braithwaite plot I thought about how stupid it was to have Arthur go to both sides constantly and them not nothing would be slim
I noticed that in the horse theft mission John used Arthur's real last name in front of Tavish and that made me cringe like, oh goddammit you just blew the whole thing.
I noticed that, too! I was like "These people went to the trouble of coming up with fake names, and like immediately started using their real names REPEATEDLY in the same town. We're all gonna die"
Are you guys stupid, Arthur literally tells Sherrif Gray he's names Arthur Callahan, and since Sherrif Gray puts in the good word to Tavish to get the mission, he already knows who he is.
@@cheez3184 why would that mean he knows their real identities?
@@cheez3184 "hey tavish, i met this guy named arthur callahan, he seems trustworthy"
arthur visits tavish gray
"hello mr gray i am arthur morgan"
You should cover the love story between Beau and Penelope next. Would make for a perfect follow up video talking about the Grey and Braithwaite conflict.
Im pretty sure the guy did that just now
It's covered far too much in the actual game, let alone in a follow-up.
At most, it's a lesson to Arthur on what could have been if he ran off with Mary and his redemption in enabling Beau and Penelope to escape the life he never could.
@@JoeMercersWay damn i actually never realised that. Wow
There is also gold in the burnt house. You gotta use the dead eye with no weapons and you'll find a lockbox under the floor. So the game was kinda true that there was good at the braithwaites lol. Couldn't find any at the grey's though
That part where Penelope gets took to Gertrude is crazy I never knew she would comment on it
Just thought of something that people may or may not know, but the entire Gray-Braithwaite ordeal could be a reference to the infamous Hatfield and McCoy’s feud that spawned right around the time this game takes place in. Apparently it began with something small and grew to massive proportions eventually resulted in the deaths of multiple people from both sides. The Hatfield- McCoy feud isn’t the only rival families feud in the US but it is the most famous, right alongside the Donner Party and the Earp brothers vs the Clanton/McLaury brothers. It’s especially ironic seeing Arthur, Dutch and Bill get effectively deputized in Rhodes seeing how the same thing happened with Wyatt, Virgil and Morgan Earp in Tombstone, Arizona.
Except everybody with some education knows it's actually based on the Jones-Liddel feud aka the Black River War, which took place in Louisiana.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw tell me more
@@TheMickytheboss The Hatfield-McCoy feud as inspiration makes no sense, as they weren't plantation owners and they solely feuded because the Hatfields were confederation and the McCoy's confederacy.
On the other hand the Jones-Liddell feud took place in Louisiana (which is Lemoyne) and was a war between two plantation owning families. Both Confederacy like the Braithwaites and the Grays and just like the Gray's. And just like the Gray's were deeply involved in the town of Rhodes, the Jones' were involved in their own founded commune Jonesville.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw thanks to this info, I've started looking into that conflict
Them being plantation owners was never central to the overarching conflict so who gives a shit? The connective tissue is just "two families locked in a vendetta that eventually turns deadly". That's it. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
fun fact the Grays and Braithewaite feud is very similar to a true story Im assuming that the rdr2 feud is based on the true story, but im not really sure, in the true story there is even a and I quote this from a history show "a romeo and Juliet story between the two families". I could go on and on about the similarities, but I won't.
Your videos have encouraged to replay RDR2. Taking my time this go around and doing as much as I can between major story points.
Man I love these mini documentaries so much
Just got back into rdr2 and have been bingeing your vids for a week now,my favourite red dead creator
i been waiting for this for 2 years
Actually one of the best climaxes in the game.
I dont know if it was intentional, but Arthur in chapter 3 makes fun of Penelope and Beau by calling their affair an "inbred retelling of Romeo and Juliet." In the original play, both families suffer and lose loved ones because of their pointless feud, and in RDR2, both the Gray's and Braithwaites lose a lot of loved ones during their falling out with the Van Der Linde gang because of a pointless feud.
One of the most interesting family feuds in entertainment
True
More interesting than Family Feud itself that Steve Harvey, couldn't even compete. Imagine both families on the show. LOL
@@Hyper_Kong Oh my God
"And as we all know, nobody listens to Arthur",
is the most underrated line of the century.😂😂
Loving the content recently man keep it up
7:10 how is he playing that mission during a rainstorm? Don’t most, if not all, missions change weather automatically for certain atmospheric moments? Every time I do that mission it’s a sunny day
Nah, theyre real time cutscenes
True!
The scenes you captured in this video are absolutely incredible. Someone needs to put them on wallpaper engine or something.
The grey/braithewate fight reminds me of those two tribes in avatar the last Airbender that think the other tribe stole their sacred orb 100 years ago
There are a lot of historical feuds this could be influenced by. But the Jones-Liddell feud seems to be what most agree is the primary inspiration. Many, many family feuds in 19th century America.
Hey, Fizhy, thanks for another great lore video on this beautiful game! I'd love to see a video about the weapons of RDR2 with historical context (realism of customization etc.) in the future. Keep on the good work, mate.
Just wanted to mention, during the raid of Braithwaite manner you can find a letter from Catherine to Angelo talking about how the Grays and Braithwaites have been getting along for some time.....
I never even knew that Angelo Bronte knew or was even connected to the Braithwaite or Gray family.
I just re-read the letter and it seems like Cathrine is talking about the Braithwaites and the Brontes, not the Braithwaites and the Grays. I think that we can tell that the Grays and the Braithwaites were not on good terms based on how quickly they are willing to use the gang to screw the other one over.
Going through the LA Noire livestreams now and they are amazing! Love reliving all these all games together with you! Keep on going sir
Nice video, Fizhy.
Unrelated topic but I've made 2 theories on the time traveler and his mural. Both of them are posted in r/reddeadmysteries, the last one was posted 2 days ago and the other is 5 months old.
Anyway, all the best ⏳
This is the only thing I’ve never fully experienced shouts out to you for even digging this deep ( pause ) I NEED one last ride for the boys
I tried shooting the locks off of the outhouse to release her but apparently the lock is made of some sort of indestructible metal that apparently kills the occupant and gives you low honour for attempting to do a good deed
You’re insane man love the videos on RDR2 they’re awesome
Hey Fizhy, can you do a video about the gunstore owner in Rhodes? He’s keeping there a boy captive in his basement and he also forces him to wear a sailor outfit. I wonder if there’s more to it than just him being delusional. (I found him there after the epilogue).
Obvious nod to The Hatfield and McCoy feud but I like how both sides are basically obliterated rather than just stop fighting. Also, I really like the Gertrude Braithwaite Is Possessed theory lol I mean, she obviously just has an ungodly amount of mental defects but in 1899, possession wouldn't be too far off the accepted reason lol
Im addicted to these videos!
if only my pc didn't crash every ten minutes, i would be able to enjoy this game and its amazing storylines
You didn't go into the letter you can find buried in the islands to the east of Saint Dennis...
Honestly the plan the play both of them fell apart when they tried to sell the moonshine back and burnt the tobacco fields respectively. It was clear the Horse mission was more of a test from the Grays to the Van Der Linden Gang Tavish Grey even trolls the gang outright when he mentions the gold at the beginning of the quest to gauge their reaction. I’d also argue Hosea’s underestimation of the Brathwaites is his weakest moment in the story, he was too invested in Dutch’s belief in conning both he wilfully overlooks the Taphouse ambush for what it is.
There is also lock box on left hand side of burned body of Braithwaite woman close to corner bottom of floor and inside the lock box their is single gold bar cost $500 but you will find gold bar again in that lock box about 2 days after if you return there. It's good to do this as John Marston in epilogue 1 - 2 because you still find gold bar there apart from dead body of Braithwaite woman that disappears after first trip to there as Author in Chapter 4.
Gold glitch?
this is one of the best rdr vids you got good job man
About to do my yearly playthru gonna be my 4th playthru perfect timing for this video awesome as always
7:17 I’ve never seen this scene durning night time let alone raining. Craziness!
It's honestly really interesting seeing the remnants of the Jacobite conflict still being played out at this time in America, and the age-old conflict between Scotland and Ireland vs England, like Sean constantly giving Arthur shit by calling him "English" and "King Arthur" (who was technically Welsh I think), and how the Grays are all proud of being Scottish (while having actually been loyalists, so in the eyes of a lot of Scottish folks at the time, traitors). People coming to a new world for a fresh start but bringing old grudges with them. It's personally interesting for me because I have a bit of family history with the Jacobite rebellion, apparently my main ancestor (great x6 or 7 grandfather) from Scotland came to America because he was outed as a Jacobite. He came from a family of loyalists and was basically kicked out and disowned for it, so he immigrated to the states. I don't think many in my family know about it, I was never told, I found out about it going into a genealogy deep dive on my family. So I laugh everytime it's brought up in RDR2 just cause it feels weirdly personal to me now
Actually majority of Scots weren't Jacobites.
At culloden, the British government troops all consisted of scottish loyalists while the Jacobites had a mixture of highlanders, English,irish , French etc..
they played, and crossed the gang, and in response both families were destroyed
That part of the story had some epic scenes, Dutch dragging an old woman down the steps by her head through her burning home? I mean, it got out of hand quickly
It’s actually crazy how he knows pretty much the whole history of the 2 families. Good video tho as usual
You can also find gold in the burnt down house
Thanks for the video man. Still hardcore into Red dead lore.
If I may. Alcoholic son, that sad letter from his mother. South of Braithe. Tell me you have already covered.
These videos made me feel like I haven’t played the game at all, I’ve had 3 play throughs FYI
there are RDO bootlegger missions that involve both families, bartholemew braithwaite being a recurring character in the moonshiner story missions and caliga hall being the target of a supply destruction and rop burning bootlegger free roam mission
In the burned down house to the left of Catherine Braithwaite corpse there is a lock box with gold in it
You can find the braithwait gold in the front room to the left of the dead corpse there is a lock box on the inner wall you will open it and get a gold bar
I should of subscribed to this channel a long time ago. The amount of effort he puts into his videos is inspiring 👏
Fizhy is like the "Vaatividya" of RDR Lore
Great work, as always, Fizhy
7:08 fun fact; people used a mod and saw that Micah appears to look in the snipers direction when he's (sniper) loaded in. As a result, there's a new semi-accepted fan theory that Micah set this up.
i believe Micah might have rode with Colm at some point before he met Dutch. Since Micah is always focused on self preservation he must’ve realized that Dutch’s Boys were far more formidable and switched sides as a result
although i doubt his true allegiance was to either gang. He’d screw over both if he could find a way to come out on top.
Honestly this just feels like people trying to pin the blame for everything on Micah, scapegoating him and denying all the flaws and failures of the gang itself.
the rain worked for the assault on braithwaite manor but im too used to it being broad bright daylight for the gray ambush for the rain and night to work
POV you just need more money
I just remembered that beo gray prity much told Arthur that his family knew who thay (the gang) were
The Logic of the two local Oligarchs Clans that heavily effect Lemoyne and is also the soles employers of worker in Lemoyne, as well as owns most of the farms lands and productions facilities (or at least have big share and influence in them) in Lemoyne, definitely is not lost on Rockstars, but I wonder if players notices, how this is uncanny similar to real life.
i think its the only time arthur receives honor for accepting payment as that was the "family treasure" Sean died for
At least the grays weren‘t completely obliterated by the gang and were still standing by 1907
Yes, yet they we're weakened.
@9:23 Incidentally, the Kennedys did the same thing to their own daughter and sister, Rosemary, in the 20th century, from November 1940 until January 2005.
I never believed the "pile of gold" bullshit. If either of those families had a big pile gold, they wouldn't live in Lemoyne.
I just recently got the recommendations for this new stream of videos you got going out. And I have to say, it's got me in the mood to play RDR2 again. It'll probably be like my 6th playthrough, but still. Lol
The most extreme episode of family feud.
You can actually find a gold bar in the Braithwait house
I think Fizhy is actually JackFrags
I saw another video where they talked about the braithwaisthes that they were cursed and made a deal with the Mystery man in the hat. Also the girl trapped in the outhouse is said to be a demon or something, the numbers she repeats is actually a Easter egg that leads to coordinates that turn out to be a Pentagon on the map
Your spoiler warning is my favorite spoiler warning I've ever seen. Please make it permanent. 🤣🤣
This is like a real reference in the South with two southern families called the Hadfields and MCoys
great videos as always keep it up
I always wondered if the family who lived at Shady Belle where involved in the Gray Braithwaite conflict.
You can also gind a bar of gold in a metal box.
I wish Catherine Braithwaite had a longer screen presence.
Calling the Penelope and Beau thing an Easter egg is probably a fallacy since it's part of the main story and not a hidden thing to find
Hot damn the music in the background is badass! What's the name of it? Awesome video btw Fizhy.
you can also find a gold bar underneath a floor board in the Braithwaite Manor
Loving the continued Red Dead videos. They’re brill 👏
South Carolina here born and raised, now I dont know the whereabouts of no Confederate gold....but I do know that if anyone does it's the old Vietnam veterans and their keeping it buried with their guns lieing in wait for the glorious return of the South or some such nonsense.
Could you maybe do a video about Colter and why it was abandoned.
Videogame version of the Hatfields and McCoys
The Jacobites burned down my village, Muthill in Scotland, in 1715.
I honestly saw this as karma. It began with theft in the family, it ends with theft in the family. One from greed? The other from being painfully aware of how horrible these "Families" really were.
This chapter always felt rushed. 2 raids on each and suddenly Sean has a bullet in his head and Jack is kidnapped and magically Hosea decides there's no gold at all.
Most frustrating chapter after Guarma for me, felt there was a lot more to explore in the narrative.
100%. I so wish there was more chapter 3. It could have been so much more.
Bruh???? You think 2 raids IRL wouldn't be enough for people to figure out who is the wrongdoer? Especially in such a small community? Nice downplaying of one of the best chapters in game.
@@user-mu8dm4rk7g you get it
@IV CYAN red dead extended edition would probably be absolute gold
There's also a gold bar in the Braithwaite manor after its burned down.
most interesting feud in rdr2
I woke up this morning and saw this new release!! Woohoooooo!!!!
Grays won since they survived and you can find them roaming around in Rhodes. Braitewaithes don’t even exist anymore.
They still exist in RDR1
It was referenced in Undead Nightmare
Another excellent video.
I feel like Catherine was thrown in that chained out house because of her cleft lip or some brain condition and it’s just sad