Yeah man, I've shot really nice milspec triggers, and even the BCM and ALG milspec triggers, I do like them, but the MBT is faaaar better than any of those c
You can get the mbt2s to pull like the ssa-e with a change of the spring for a lighter pull too, the reset I found on the ssa-e is what makes it marginally better but again just put the ssa-e spring on the mbt2 and you have the same trigger, even the wide he says he doesnt like is on the ssa-e just up front and not the whole circumference.
When the MBT2s came out it was 250 and everybody raved about how much better it was than geissele, since Mark dropped the price now everyone says they’re almost as good, but not quite… weird how that works.
@@tacticalfun you’re white knighting for geissele and that’s cool, I have several G triggers myself, but they’re on par with MBT2s and to say it’s just a little better than a milspec trigger pretty much negates everything you say.
@@tacticalfun Geissele is better because they cost more. Geissele used to be even betterer because they used to cost even more. LaRue used to be the best when they cost more, but then they reduced their price and got worser. And, just tp prevent this vicious rumor from spreading, Geissele reducing their price from $250 to $150 has NOTHING to do with thousands of people switching from Geissele to LaRue, which are worser, because they still cost less. NOTHING!
You lost credibility with me when you said an MBT is only slightly better than a milspec trigger. I am no Larue fanboy but an MBT is significantly better than ANY milspec trigger i have tried.
To me this video comes off as "well now that I'm not broke, the more pricey somethings are the better they are. Im just gonna price drop EVERYTHING to emphasize I have money now." The thing is that to people who have money or dont care about money, this doesn't impress them.
I get that the mbt isn’t a geissele but I have a cpl of each and the mbt 2 stage is far superior to a mil-spec not slightly better, much better.. The single stage isn’t as good but the two stage is a amazing trigger especially at that price point. The break on it is about 3.5-4lbs and incredibly crisp, I do wish that it wasn’t so fat but some ppl actually like it and it doesn’t effect my trigger pull all that much.. my SSA-E is better certainly, but it’s not like far and away better imo, you’re entitled to yours. I do think it’s annoying that you mention a geisselle trigger and the mbt boys start calling you an idiot for paying that. They are the best and I am willing to pay more to get the g on the trigger shoe, I admit that.. lol
I'm going to assume that you dont since it can be cast or imm. For your reference i run 39 tool and die shops around the world and am responsible for 8bil in revenue annually.
@@tacticalfun but you understand that they clearly aren't cast parts You see no seams nor cast frosting. It sure would save larue a lot of money to have the basic shapes casted and then have the rest of the profile machined but they didn't 🤔 My point being, your biggest gripe of your argument is the surface quality of non-essential surfaces that you won't see lmao. I'm not saying it's as good as geissele, but to act like it's far and wide lesser in quality is ridiculous lol.
I have 3 Larue Triggers , the only one better is the Geiselle adjustable match grade to me , the larue is tool7steel just like Geis. Both make great triggers , just Geis. has way more versions and cost 3 times more .
People disagreeing with you is not attacking you, That said this is not an attack... No one cares you prefer Geissele over the MBT it is the fact you tried to say it is comparable to MIL Spec which for anyone who has actually shot both knows that is a far far reach lmao. The SSA and MBT are both amazing UPGRADED triggers that feel pretty close in a few ways... Some people want the same performance some people want the same brand.. To each his own. As much as an SSA costs over an MBT, I'd want to find reasons to like it more too...
I prefer 2 stage, at this point in my familiarity with triggers. The SD3G I got in my first rifle is not for me. The mil-spec I got in my second rifle is not for me either. The larue, for me, is just right lol.
Can you link to the reddit article? The Larue is the best bang for your buck but if you can afford it, the Geissele is nicer all around. I love my SSA-E and S3DG. But I also use the Larue MBT in several builds and they're really good too, but my Geissele is still nicer. I will be getting a Radian (Timney) Vertex and Triggertech trigger soon, would love to see you try those two out.
The Battle Arms edition triggertech diamond is my favorite 3 gun trigger. I have a complete radian with the timney, and it is very good, but i prefer the triggertech or SSA-E
When I got my geissele and dry fire to test it, it felt cheap but after real testing it it became awesome! I will probably get a couple more when budget permits!
I think they are both great triggers i prefer my cmc flat face trigger for hunting and i prefer the ssaex and larue for my more serious rifles mite as well try them all see what ya like
I got the larue. I shoot daily in backyard and my ddm4v7 lw trigger was tiring my finger during precision fire, so i just wanted something good enough to do what i need. I am good with my stock bcm pnt trigger, psa ept triggers are fine, but the DD are not even slightly improved milspec.. they are milspec milspec. Im sure there better triggers, i dont care. I dont want to most sensitive cleanest pure break.. i found going too outside the envelope on a normal trigger makes going back to a gun with a normal trigger getting used to for a mag or so, dont need or want that. Just want to hit 200 yard gatorade bottles with irons, the larue is way more than enough for this.
Got the MBT 2 stage flat trigger on my 18” barrel SPR AR and it’s nice for the money. But I also put an ALG trigger on my general purpose AR and AKM wasr 10. Both made by geissele, both are awesome. Buy the best that you can afford and train with it. Also put a rock river 2stage (b4 the controversy) on my AR10 and it’s been solid performance…. But I admit it’s not as nice as an actual geissele ssae
Great video, thanks for the review. I am deciding between the Geissele GS2 (currently on sale for $114 ) vs the Larue MTB 2S (standard price of $99 ) and what sold me was your description of the machining quality, or lack thereof, on the Larue . And for a $15 difference I think I'll buy the Geissele. Just subscribed.
Well considering Geissele doesn’t machine their triggers at all they’re MIM just goes to show why you should do some actual research of your own instead of listening to Fudds
I really appreciate that end message. The gun "community" is pretty awful to each other. We should be banding together but instead it turns into a school ground bickering match. SSA-E is the best trigger IMO but if you can only afford a milspec run that shit. Gear only gets you so far anyway.
People can be a holes. Your doing the right thing. In 08 I lost everything and was homeless for 3 months, mowed lawns to keep food on the table. I own my own home now 2000 sq ft home on 1-1/2 acres, I get the dirty vibes too from people who never get off the ground. Not my fault, I bust my ass to get where I’m at. You do a great job and your opinion matters to me, a real person with a real opinion on quality products Btw I have 2 mbt’s and a G I also have some aim surplus drop in that work well too. I like the MBTs on my spr’s but I can shoot faster with 3lb single stage drop in with a flat trigger. So everyone has an opinion and just cuz my preference is different doesn’t make anybody right. It’s what “I” like to use and what works best with me.
Bro I really feel everything your doing.. Your giving your honest opinions on things and sometimes people cant handle a difference of opinion when they're emotionally invested in a product. I get that but I don't see anything negative about what your doing and really appreciate the unbias opinion based on your real end user experiences.. Your in a good position to really help people to make good buying decisions because youve done the hard part by buying these products to test and give your honest opinion on.. I think its refreshing and keep the reviews coming bro.. Thank you for that
Thank you very much. What people need to understand is that i worked and paid for everything in these videos. No sponsors, no donations etc. I am owned by no one.
The "just as good" crowd are those who haven't actually bought the good stuff to see why quality costs more. I should know... I used to be one of the "just as good" people.
Certain things like optics yes. Often times the price tag makes no difference to you as a shooter without practice and that includes fancy triggers. In this case the vast majority of ppl who have used the larue have also owned the g ssa e and claims are that the larue is almost as good for half the price.
@@_JEBUS price is usually associated with quality. There are instances where the performance doesn't necessarily equal the price tag but it's hard to argue you typically get a better made product for more money. The materials, qc, customer support, and where it's made are the bigger categories imo. The SSA/SSA-E is a better quality, better feeling trigger... period. The LaRue isn't just as good but it's an awesome trigger for a little more than half the price. Every tier you go up the less performance you'll get in return for the money but it's still there. I'd say barrels, handguards, bcgs, optics and triggers are pretty noticeable to me. Upper receivers, forged lowers, even muzzle devices are probably those products where paying more doesn't get you a lot better. I've gotten out of spec stripped uppers and lowers on cheaper made products but typically any reputable manufacturer or retailer should uphold some sort of warranty or return.
@@tacticalfun I mean we get it bro you want to have the same stuff that team guys have in the military but those same guys will tell you a larue is just fine for sub $100. Definitely better than a single stage milspec. Is the geissele better than larue? Yes but it's also $140 more.
I have a few geissele and a quite a few Larue triggers All two stage as that is my preference there’s really not much difference between the two the difference is so minute you really have to look for it Geissele used to be my choice because of the trend I thought it was superior it’s really not at all Wilson combat also has a great trigger that’s very similar it’s just a one piece body my go to trigger is larue there is something for everybody at my advice spend less than half the money and go with the larue if you have the money to blow go with geissele You can’t go wrong with either one or both phenomenal and the wear Marks is strictly just the coding and it’s only inside the receiver it’s not like you’re popping your receiver Open and saying exam in my trigger It comes down to this they’re pretty much both the same thing one just cost a little bit more than double they’re both just as fast they’re both very smooth just keep this in mind there’s been way more precision accurate shots done with the larue does it mean it’s more accurate of a trigger know not at all they’re pretty much both the same thing it was just a fact that is my opinion to help people from stressing on which trigger to get done that 1 million times not worth it pick one within your budget and you won’t regret either one and less you overspent and now you’re sick to your stomach lol They’re both top-notch
I really like the unbiased opinion! I come from similar experiences as you started low and worked hard to position myself better in the workplace. I will be getting an SSA-E in my new build, but I have the SSP right now on my AR15 and geiselle does really well on quality and durability! Good work man!
Well if you want the truth lol. Mark LameRue ended up firing his ppl that knew what they were doing. Now he has yes ppl working for him that don't know as much as the ppl he had lol. Also mark changed the making process of the triggers at LameRue. He doesn't mill the triggers any longer he molds them because the ppl that knew how to make those triggers were laid off due to marks financial problems. That's the truth. Ijs.
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Lost me when you said it's marginally better than a MilSpec.... Nah the SSA-E is Marginally better than the MBT2S at 2.5x the cost.
Lol ok.
Yeah man, I've shot really nice milspec triggers, and even the BCM and ALG milspec triggers, I do like them, but the MBT is faaaar better than any of those c
You can get the mbt2s to pull like the ssa-e with a change of the spring for a lighter pull too, the reset I found on the ssa-e is what makes it marginally better but again just put the ssa-e spring on the mbt2 and you have the same trigger, even the wide he says he doesnt like is on the ssa-e just up front and not the whole circumference.
Bro is on drugs 😂. Calling the MBT2 "marginally better than milspec" 😂😂😂
When the MBT2s came out it was 250 and everybody raved about how much better it was than geissele, since Mark dropped the price now everyone says they’re almost as good, but not quite… weird how that works.
They weren't as good when they were expensive
@@tacticalfun you’re white knighting for geissele and that’s cool, I have several G triggers myself, but they’re on par with MBT2s and to say it’s just a little better than a milspec trigger pretty much negates everything you say.
@@tacticalfun Geissele is better because they cost more. Geissele used to be even betterer because they used to cost even more. LaRue used to be the best when they cost more, but then they reduced their price and got worser. And, just tp prevent this vicious rumor from spreading, Geissele reducing their price from $250 to $150 has NOTHING to do with thousands of people switching from Geissele to LaRue, which are worser, because they still cost less. NOTHING!
You lost credibility with me when you said an MBT is only slightly better than a milspec trigger. I am no Larue fanboy but an MBT is significantly better than ANY milspec trigger i have tried.
Larue is #1
Hey brother by chance have you looked into the history behind geissle and larue and why larue is at the price point they’re at?
Exactly, Mark made the MBT and priced it at that price just to spite Bill.
Exactly. This guy pissing on Larue for no reason.
Luckily, people are free to waste money on overpriced Geissele stuff all they want; it's a free country.
The $3000 Larue rifles are not over priced?
@@tacticalfun They absolutely are overpriced. No one needs to spend more than $2K on an AR today.
To me this video comes off as "well now that I'm not broke, the more pricey somethings are the better they are. Im just gonna price drop EVERYTHING to emphasize I have money now." The thing is that to people who have money or dont care about money, this doesn't impress them.
I get that the mbt isn’t a geissele but I have a cpl of each and the mbt 2 stage is far superior to a mil-spec not slightly better, much better.. The single stage isn’t as good but the two stage is a amazing trigger especially at that price point. The break on it is about 3.5-4lbs and incredibly crisp, I do wish that it wasn’t so fat but some ppl actually like it and it doesn’t effect my trigger pull all that much.. my SSA-E is better certainly, but it’s not like far and away better imo, you’re entitled to yours. I do think it’s annoying that you mention a geisselle trigger and the mbt boys start calling you an idiot for paying that. They are the best and I am willing to pay more to get the g on the trigger shoe, I admit that.. lol
Wait
The issue is that the trigger has tooling marks on non-essential surfaces?
Boo hoo it's not cast I guess?
It most certainly is cast and machined poorly
@@tacticalfun you don't know what you're talking about lmfao
Do you not know what s7 tool steel is?
I'm going to assume that you dont since it can be cast or imm. For your reference i run 39 tool and die shops around the world and am responsible for 8bil in revenue annually.
@@tacticalfun but you understand that they clearly aren't cast parts
You see no seams nor cast frosting.
It sure would save larue a lot of money to have the basic shapes casted and then have the rest of the profile machined but they didn't 🤔
My point being, your biggest gripe of your argument is the surface quality of non-essential surfaces that you won't see lmao.
I'm not saying it's as good as geissele, but to act like it's far and wide lesser in quality is ridiculous lol.
Also they literally say that they machined them out of s7 plates on their product page and avoided mim and casting so
“That’s a budget setup” it sounds like you just suck at shooting lol
I have 3 Larue Triggers , the only one better is the Geiselle adjustable match grade to me , the larue is tool7steel just like Geis. Both make great triggers , just Geis. has way more versions and cost 3 times more .
People disagreeing with you is not attacking you, That said this is not an attack...
No one cares you prefer Geissele over the MBT it is the fact
you tried to say it is comparable to MIL Spec which for anyone who has actually shot both knows that is a far far reach lmao. The SSA and MBT are both amazing UPGRADED triggers that feel pretty close in a few ways...
Some people want the same performance some people want the same brand.. To each his own. As much as an SSA costs over an MBT, I'd want to find reasons to like it more too...
I prefer 2 stage, at this point in my familiarity with triggers. The SD3G I got in my first rifle is not for me. The mil-spec I got in my second rifle is not for me either. The larue, for me, is just right lol.
Can you link to the reddit article? The Larue is the best bang for your buck but if you can afford it, the Geissele is nicer all around. I love my SSA-E and S3DG. But I also use the Larue MBT in several builds and they're really good too, but my Geissele is still nicer. I will be getting a Radian (Timney) Vertex and Triggertech trigger soon, would love to see you try those two out.
The Battle Arms edition triggertech diamond is my favorite 3 gun trigger. I have a complete radian with the timney, and it is very good, but i prefer the triggertech or SSA-E
If you're gonna post a rant on RUclips, then flip your phone on its side in Landscape mode.
When I got my geissele and dry fire to test it, it felt cheap but after real testing it it became awesome! I will probably get a couple more when budget permits!
I think they are both great triggers i prefer my cmc flat face trigger for hunting and i prefer the ssaex and larue for my more serious rifles mite as well try them all see what ya like
I got the larue. I shoot daily in backyard and my ddm4v7 lw trigger was tiring my finger during precision fire, so i just wanted something good enough to do what i need. I am good with my stock bcm pnt trigger, psa ept triggers are fine, but the DD are not even slightly improved milspec.. they are milspec milspec. Im sure there better triggers, i dont care. I dont want to most sensitive cleanest pure break.. i found going too outside the envelope on a normal trigger makes going back to a gun with a normal trigger getting used to for a mag or so, dont need or want that. Just want to hit 200 yard gatorade bottles with irons, the larue is way more than enough for this.
Got the MBT 2 stage flat trigger on my 18” barrel SPR AR and it’s nice for the money. But I also put an ALG trigger on my general purpose AR and AKM wasr 10. Both made by geissele, both are awesome. Buy the best that you can afford and train with it. Also put a rock river 2stage (b4 the controversy) on my AR10 and it’s been solid performance…. But I admit it’s not as nice as an actual geissele ssae
I live the SSA-E, but I also have alot of love for the SSA. The Super Dynamic single stage is a wicked trigger too!
Great video, thanks for the review. I am deciding between the Geissele GS2 (currently on sale for $114 ) vs the Larue MTB 2S (standard price of $99 ) and what sold me was your description of the machining quality, or lack thereof, on the Larue . And for a $15 difference I think I'll buy the Geissele. Just subscribed.
Well considering Geissele doesn’t machine their triggers at all they’re MIM just goes to show why you should do some actual research of your own instead of listening to Fudds
Lol people who care more about astetics than functionality on a gun 😂
@@RickSanchez167 it's not "...more than...", it's "...in addition to...". Hater.
I agree, The SSA-E curved is my favorite, I have about all of them but I always go back to the SSA-E 🤘🏻
I really appreciate that end message. The gun "community" is pretty awful to each other. We should be banding together but instead it turns into a school ground bickering match. SSA-E is the best trigger IMO but if you can only afford a milspec run that shit. Gear only gets you so far anyway.
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Seems fine to me. Yet again I’m easy. Single stage 2 stage don’t matter to me as long as it’s not gritty. 😊
People can be a holes. Your doing the right thing. In 08 I lost everything and was homeless for 3 months, mowed lawns to keep food on the table. I own my own home now 2000 sq ft home on 1-1/2 acres, I get the dirty vibes too from people who never get off the ground. Not my fault, I bust my ass to get where I’m at.
You do a great job and your opinion matters to me, a real person with a real opinion on quality products
Btw I have 2 mbt’s and a G I also have some aim surplus drop in that work well too. I like the MBTs on my spr’s but I can shoot faster with 3lb single stage drop in with a flat trigger. So everyone has an opinion and just cuz my preference is different doesn’t make anybody right. It’s what “I” like to use and what works best with me.
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Awesome.video and under you completely in the rant have a great day and take care
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Bro I really feel everything your doing.. Your giving your honest opinions on things and sometimes people cant handle a difference of opinion when they're emotionally invested in a product. I get that but I don't see anything negative about what your doing and really appreciate the unbias opinion based on your real end user experiences.. Your in a good position to really help people to make good buying decisions because youve done the hard part by buying these products to test and give your honest opinion on.. I think its refreshing and keep the reviews coming bro.. Thank you for that
Thank you very much. What people need to understand is that i worked and paid for everything in these videos. No sponsors, no donations etc. I am owned by no one.
Great video
The "just as good" crowd are those who haven't actually bought the good stuff to see why quality costs more. I should know... I used to be one of the "just as good" people.
I was too
Certain things like optics yes. Often times the price tag makes no difference to you as a shooter without practice and that includes fancy triggers. In this case the vast majority of ppl who have used the larue have also owned the g ssa e and claims are that the larue is almost as good for half the price.
@@_JEBUS i know no one who shoots competitive or for a living rhat prefers the larue
@@_JEBUS price is usually associated with quality. There are instances where the performance doesn't necessarily equal the price tag but it's hard to argue you typically get a better made product for more money.
The materials, qc, customer support, and where it's made are the bigger categories imo. The SSA/SSA-E is a better quality, better feeling trigger... period. The LaRue isn't just as good but it's an awesome trigger for a little more than half the price.
Every tier you go up the less performance you'll get in return for the money but it's still there.
I'd say barrels, handguards, bcgs, optics and triggers are pretty noticeable to me. Upper receivers, forged lowers, even muzzle devices are probably those products where paying more doesn't get you a lot better. I've gotten out of spec stripped uppers and lowers on cheaper made products but typically any reputable manufacturer or retailer should uphold some sort of warranty or return.
@@tacticalfun I mean we get it bro you want to have the same stuff that team guys have in the military but those same guys will tell you a larue is just fine for sub $100. Definitely better than a single stage milspec. Is the geissele better than larue? Yes but it's also $140 more.
Honest review with some good words for humanity.
can you annunciate your words? where did you learn to speak english?
Humble. Keep it real. ✌
Always!
I have a few geissele and a quite a few Larue triggers All two stage as that is my preference there’s really not much difference between the two the difference is so minute you really have to look for it Geissele used to be my choice because of the trend I thought it was superior it’s really not at all Wilson combat also has a great trigger that’s very similar it’s just a one piece body my go to trigger is larue there is something for everybody at my advice spend less than half the money and go with the larue if you have the money to blow go with geissele You can’t go wrong with either one or both phenomenal and the wear Marks is strictly just the coding and it’s only inside the receiver it’s not like you’re popping your receiver Open and saying exam in my trigger It comes down to this they’re pretty much both the same thing one just cost a little bit more than double they’re both just as fast they’re both very smooth just keep this in mind there’s been way more precision accurate shots done with the larue does it mean it’s more accurate of a trigger know not at all they’re pretty much both the same thing it was just a fact that is my opinion to help people from stressing on which trigger to get done that 1 million times not worth it pick one within your budget and you won’t regret either one and less you overspent and now you’re sick to your stomach lol They’re both top-notch
Hey its your money, if you want to overpay for stuff that will accomplish the same goal thats your prerogative
Spot on sir! People are envious! Instead of being happy for someone, they hate and try to put others down.
I really like the unbiased opinion! I come from similar experiences as you started low and worked hard to position myself better in the workplace. I will be getting an SSA-E in my new build, but I have the SSP right now on my AR15 and geiselle does really well on quality and durability! Good work man!
Biggest waste of time
😢 thank for the info Karen 🤡
Well if you want the truth lol. Mark LameRue ended up firing his ppl that knew what they were doing. Now he has yes ppl working for him that don't know as much as the ppl he had lol. Also mark changed the making process of the triggers at LameRue. He doesn't mill the triggers any longer he molds them because the ppl that knew how to make those triggers were laid off due to marks financial problems. That's the truth. Ijs.