#10MinuteTalk
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Time to get #Triggered with this 10 Minute Talk on single versus two-stage triggers - in the most triggering of rifles - the AR-15. What’s the difference? Where does each style shine? Is there one that’s best? In-house trigger-puller, Reuben Aleckson, gives us the scoop on this incredibly important aspect of any AR.
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I really liked the Velocity 3lb w/Finger Stop I had in my AR-10... 👍🏻
Plan on putting a TriggerTech AR-Duty 3.5lb Flat trigger in my new MSR. 👍🏻👍🏻
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The argument that the trigger should “surprise” you I find to be garbage. I should be in control of the trigger at all times. One of the reasons I want a GOOD two stage is that hits count. I come to the wall (first stage) then the next thing is the rifle going off…..no “surprise”
Agreed. I want to stage my trigger and knowingly press the shot when the other fundamentals of accuracy are in the zone.
100% agree. A "surprise trigger" might work for shooting at paper when the stakes are low, but coming from a "duty" perspective I NEED to know exactly when and how the trigger is going to trip every single time which out having to think about it.
I agree with you but then I heard jerry miculek said that he wants the trigger to surprise him every shot. that perplexes me and i cannot refute he's the best shooter around.
@Marcus Gardner it's not so much that you don't intend for the gun to go off. That advice is intended for newer shooters who have a hard time with flinching. They will squeeze the trigger just until it is about to break and sit there holding it until they are ready, and then suddenly jerk and throw the shot off. I think what Jerry is getting at is letting your trigger pull be a fluid motion rather than hyper focusing on feeling it break to help prevent flinch or antipation of recoil.
Try shooting a real gun.🤔 None of you have shot real hair pin triggers, that will actually go off just by dropping the gun.🤦♂️
That pencil analogy was excellent
I always looked at it as a comparison between 1911 triggers and striker fired. At the end of the day it’s practice, training, and familiarity with your weapon.
Back in 2018 my wife bought me an awesome Ruger MPR comes with ruger's elite 452 two stage trigger And I couldn't be happier with it.
As long as it's under 4.5 pounds with a good reset I'm happy.
Prefer single stage in most applications. Can we get a follow up 10 minute talk on the 6arc or a full episode on popular alternative AR calibers.
I love two stage triggers and put them in almost all my guns, from 10/22 to AR to bolt gun. For me it is as much about the mental process of prepping the trigger that keeps me accurate as it is about the actual quality of the trigger. I find this to be especially the case with new/young shooters. It helps new shooters slow down and think about the trigger pull much like a manual transmission keeps new drivers thinking about driving and less about all the distractions.
And I'm just the opposite. From single shots, bolt actions and AR's I go single stage all the way. For Single shots and Bolt actions I like a 2.5 lb SS pull. I've also had a Steyr or two with set triggers. Those are fun. For AR's I prefer a 4 - 4.5 lb SS pull. There are no bad choice's for you. Pick what works best for YOU. IMHO and YMMV
You know...I think the reason why 2 stage is better also, because you already have your finger at the tension, so it's easier to continue through to a click. Compared to straight through press. That's just me.
I got Trigger Tech AR Adaptable and Trigger Tech Diamond, first is 2.5 lbs, 2nd one is 1.5 pounds.
I love it. I can put hole in same hole at 113 yards. Could never do it with 2 stage Ruger trigger.
Jim, A two-stage trigger is kind of like a stall converter. The vehicle revs up until a certain point and then takes off.
Got my first single stage trigger, I didn't like it at first, required more training and time compared to a two stage...but once I got it...beautiful. Knowing your trigger and practice is what matters
I use Geissele SD-E (2 stage, flat bow version of the SSA-E) in my hunting rifles, I like to take up the pretravel then take the shot, it gives me more focus. My home defense guns are well worn single stage triggers under 5 pounds. It's what I'm used to from some form of 3 gun (multi gun) for the past 20 years.
Single stage all the way. From my red rider at 5 years old to my 22lr Remington at 8 years old to my marlin 30 30 at 10 years old to my AR10 at 55 years old. Single stage all the way.
I really love the Triggertech (blue) Diamond single stage, flat blade. I have it set at about 1.9lbs. The only faster trigger, is an auto seer. There’s ZERO creep, and I’m not sure how far the pull is, but it’s probably around 1/16”, if that. It’s absolutely fantastic! I’ve never felt a trigger like it.
I hunt everything with AR’s and they all have Larue MBT-2 triggers ... I love a 2 stage trigger for hunting
I have a shooting buddy that does the bench rest thing and has a custom bolt gun built with I think a 6oz trigger if I remember right. I personally like them both single and 2 stage triggers but for a precision AR15 trigger I tend to run 2 stage triggers because I've had lightweight single stage triggers double and even triple on me under recoil... Great video guys yall rock!!!
That's awesome! Thanks for tuning in, Daniel👊
I prefer to use what you use when you use it. Just hit what you intend to hit. Don’t over complicate something that the end result is essentially the same. You’ll be good with what you’re good with.🍿
It's not overcomplicating something, it's picking the right tool for the application. A Honda Civic and a Jeep do the same thing, but you don't want to take a Civic to Moab, Utah. Know what I mean?
I hate the ultra soft single stage triggers or at least the ones I have shot. They aren’t comfortable enough for me and accidental discharge is a real concern. I prefer a mild 2 stage so that I have more control of the process.
I think it depends on the application. I have both high end single and two stage triggers. The LaRue MBT-2S and the Geissele SSA/E are my favorite 2 stage triggers I've used and I really like Hiperfire PDIs, Rise Armament RA-535 and Velocity triggers for single stage. I haven't tried them all of the triggers in the world but I've found most $100+ triggers feel pretty nice. You really should train with what you have. A nice polished single stage mil spec is sufficient and works well.
I put 2 stage triggers in my SPRs and longer range AR15s while my CBQ/PDW/SBR AR15s are mainly single stage.
Love the input from all people. I haven't made my mind up but i think a 2-stage is best for me personally!
I've ordered a Sako with a single-set trigger, which is unique to me but I'm looking forward to learning the rifle
The super light single stage triggers or just the latest fad they do feel nice but then again if your used to the standard issue trigger and feel like it’s not really that bad then a single stage 2.5 lb feels like it’s borderline dangerous haha definitely takes practice with whatever you get good with I know if I was storming in a building I sure wouldn’t want the guy behind me coming in with a super light aftermarket trigger but if it’s for like range competition only it’s definitely worth training with one and getting good will increase your speed
Agree. I use 3.5lb single stage CMCs in most of my guns.
I’ve got the Geissele SSA in my A4 rifle and a Larue MBT in my custom gun but I’ve got the triggertech adjustable on the way.
Make a #10MinuteTalk about the 6,5x55 SM and the 8x57js. 👍
Thanks for the info! I like how the audio sounds here. Can you tell me what headset you're using?
I like 2-stage triggers over single stage for the same reason I like DA/SA pistols over striker fired. It gives you physical feedback so that you have more control over a deliberate trigger pull.
I used to rock Geissele 2-stage triggers on scoped rifles and single stage for SBRs.
Recently went with all single stage.
Note: Always Geissele flat bow
Idk about milspec civilian triggers, but the ones I shot in the army felt like the way y'all describe two stage triggers creep then a moderate wall.
A 2 2 trigger is actually 4lbs, first stage plus the second stage. Single stage triggers have one weight. 2 stage triggers have 2 weights that add to eachother. This means most 2 stage triggers are usually heavier than light 1 stage triggers.
When can we get a dedicated 6 ARC podcast?
Twice in my life I've been in the position of having to use a firearm to defend myself. Once was against a vicious dog, and one was a man. And BOTH times I was glad to have triggers with plenty of take-up and 5 to 6 pound trigger pulls. Because they afforded me the opportunity to either take the shot, or else to back off of the shot before it was too late. A light, competition-style trigger could have, and probably would have been detrimental to the situation
It wouldnt have been detrimental had you had a good target index and actually thought about the situation before right away putting your finger into the trigger guard
@@richardsabo7917 When you ever find yourself in a similar situation, THEN your insight might have validity to it. Until then, stay in your lane
@@jmmartin7766 thank you for telling me you don't know how to shoot😂😂😂
@@jmmartin7766 any B class USPSA (or equivalent) competition shooter would mop the floor w/ most shooters who just shoot in an average way or train "tactically" (aka shoot slower than a snail)
@@richardsabo7917 Your ability to "Monday morning QB" is incredible. Did you go to school for that skill? Or does being an @ssh*le come natural to you?
Just a fun analogy.
Single stage: Traditional archery
Two stage: Compound bow
I like the Geissele SSA for longer range AR setup. The SSAE is a little too light in the second stage to be safe imo. And I like the Geissele SSP-D (flat) single stage for a duty/CQB setup.
I prefer a single stage trigger most of the time especially for a combat style firearm. Just installed an ALG AK pattern trigger today, which is approximately 3.5 lbs single stage. Its so much nicer than the long pull 2 stage trigger from the factory.
I like a 2-stage trigger because it gives me 2 options for trigger pull. If fast is what I need, I have a 4 pound trigger. If I have time to really focus, then I effectively have a 2 pound trigger. I don’t do Precision rifle shooting and am not comfortable with a 2 pound trigger for hunting, etc.
Also my semiauto rifles all have 2-stage triggers, mostly set up nearly identical. Not having to think about what to expect is very important to me. If you put a double action trigger on a 1911, my shooting would be a mess. IOW I think it helps to *know* what the trigger will be like for platform X.
Can you please tell me what rifle (make and model of all items), what scope and scope mount - the female shooter is using on the giant wall covering poster in the background ??? I like her setup and want to look into that entire setup. Thank you.
On my hunting rifle I prefer a single stage trigger, because I've learnt and know it so well now, that I can use it in fast shooting and slow shooting situations.
I suppose on a rifle I do not know in a hunting situation, I would like a two stage trigger.
2 stage FTW
Single stage for me. But I’m not shaking and I know when I’m pulling the trigger.
To me a two stage trigger works best for home defense it’s almost like driving a manual car where you have more control. I do like however single stage for faster ripping and hunting both are great. I just prefer 2 stage Geissele SSA is one of my favorites
One thing not addresses that has a profound effect on precision is over travel. That is when you pull the gun off the target and have no control of correcting the aim point.
I hate a Larue MBT-2 that i will shill all day, every day. I was a hold out on them for a while, but I saw how affordable the MBT was compared to the $250 SSA-E and I figured I'd try the MBT and if I liked a 2-stage I'd upgrade to the SSA-E.
Well, I loved it and at no point felt like an 'upgrade' was warranted. it's got a short enough travel that I can spam it for rapid fire, or slow down and take precise shots with it. I treat the first stage like a safety stage, because I was able to get behind a buddy's 3-gun rifle witha super light trigger and that first shot in every string I fired felt like I was NDing, finding the trigger with my finger set the gun off.
I won't say a 2-stage is good for a race gun or gamer gun, because a super short single stage is always going be faster, but for the real world where stresses can take hold and every shot has actual consequences (not just getting DQed from a match) I very, very much prefer a 2-stage.
Your mileage may vary, but I recommend if you're unsure about a 2-stage trigger pick up an MBT, or another affordable model, and try it.
I actually find 2 stage triggers to be exactly the opposite of how the pencil analogy was described. To me a single stage is like having your hand firmly on the table when trying to write while a 2 stage is like starting to write with your hand off the table then transitioning to being firmly on the table.
I’ve always found 2 stage triggers to be rather goofy feeling. In the real world it’s a terrible idea to “prep” the trigger. It’s commonly used in competition settings. I find that a single stage more closely adheres to basic gun safety rules. Don’t put your finger on that trigger until you are ready to fire. Both triggers have “a wall”. I think 2 stage triggers can lead to some very bad habits.
Any chance you could do a 10 minute talk on the 224 Valkyrie?
We'll add it to the list - we appreciate it!
Please keep the trigger pull weight above 3lb, otherwise you will run into issue when using the gun in the real world. I prefer 4.5 lbs two-stage, or 4lbs single-stage trigger.
Long range shooters sneeze on their triggers for extra precision👌
Triggertech Diamond with a 1.5 pull weight on an AR is insanity. Worth $300+?
Worth it
@@Ajibica117 I meant insanity in a great way lol 1.5lbs is amazingly light. I spoke to a few people with the Diamond but they adjust it above 2.5-3lbs so why not get the Adjustable model?!? I guess if you really plan to use 1.5lb trigger lol but very few people will keep it THAT light
Absolutely worth the money, however, I got mine for just under $250. Whole different ballpark of performance. I currently have mine set just under 2lbs
@@BafflingBS Did you get he straight trigger or curved??
The Geissele SSP is, in my opinion, a phenomenal trigger. Very smooth, clean break, light, and fast.
Put a single stage In one rifle that I shot a lot. When I went back to a two stage trigger I was not a fan. And continue to prefer single stage.
I need to know when it's going to go off. I hate creep. I prefer a single-stage, but if the mechanism of the weapon doesn't allow that with safety, then a two-stage is preferable.
Car reference... clutch? 🤔
Yea, single stage is like a sports car, while the 2 stage is like the clutch on a family sedan.
Always 2 stage. What about blade shape flats is where it's at
@@aubrey5569 2-Stage chuckles in Accuracy International/Geissele/Diamond Two-Stage.....
Man this was not the best discussion on single stage vs two stage. You guys are making it seem as if two stage is king. Single stage triggers have less travel distance, just as light, and also you can shoot faster as they have faster lock up and reset. Geissele ssp vs ssa-e is a world of difference. Also when you are ready to shoot someone you should already have your stance, presentation, and decision making all ready to go.
No talk about a “squish” trigger?🤣 I have a Thompson Compass, it’s trigger kind of squishes to a wall then goes off. I changed the spring to a 3 lbs pull. At the end of the day it just might be my best trigger. You just can’t predict when it will release, it’s always a surprise!
Why one or two-stage when you can have binary 🤣
Its like boxers or briefs.
@@arklainquirk boxer briefs win
Turbo car reference is setting the boost timer. You know exactly what rpm the boost will kick in. With out a turbo timer you won't know when the boost will kick in until after you test it.thats the closest car reference I can think of at the moment. A stage 2 racing clutch or a dual clutch manual might be a possible example also.
Just clean up a GI trigger.
blackout defense zero best trigger, change my mind
Thats alot of yapping for such a simple thing
Then don't watch
GEISSELE TRIGGERS???!!!! The best AR15 triggers come from them Id go nto combat with a geissele
Plus with our special operations command the super select fire has been proven as an amazing 90° for Lorido trigger 45° semi and a gas pedal type hold with your thumb straight up and first round and then when you let go it goes right back into semiauto so you could do a burst and go right back into semi-seamlessly and it really is seamless as soon as that safety is let go it max back and semi the usmc what is it in 2016 I believe and 45° is Sammie and then spring loaded hold to 90 is full auto and then let your thumb off back to Semi Auto but for those rarely used in combat anyway on the air platforms believe it or not but the SSAE is what Navy SEALs Green Berets etc. use but they do get the full order of figuration of it the SSF and this is the SSAE and it is worth it and the ST3G super dynamic combat trigger in my radian that really spits rounds down range as it has a rolling brake no distinct wall but they all have beautiful tactile reset at Paris island for some reason I had a nicer treasure it was not one of these but there were M-16 A2‘s and I noticed that my trigger was a little bit cleaner than other guys on the rifles much less grit so it did have some work done to it I’m assuming polishing on the contact services i am working on making a lil spec trigger polished to get grit out also used an extra 4.5 pound trigger spring and gunna shine up the contact surfaces we will see
What’s with the talk about CMC and Timney in whatever companies I don’t hear anything about GEISSELE which in my mind are the top tier in A.R. 15 treasures there’s nothing in that will beat them and their performance plus they have single stage, rolling break on the S 3G or SD 3G, two-stage triggers all in flat bow or curved. Sure they’re 200 bucks but you’re getting not a cassette trigger that doesn’t have the reliability because of the not full power hammer spring that these companies have yes I go with Geissele triggers on everything
Thinking of a hard reset or a quick reset trigger just for shits and giggles but I wouldn’t consider them really home defense but Geissele YES the best triggers on the ar15 market The concert style also has issues with tolerance inside the receiver and you have to use anti-rotation pins and all that kind of crap which you really should not need on an A.R. 15 trigger unless it’s a Vietnam M 16 lower with 50 triggers pins that have been knocked through in and out and needs pins as a full auto gun so they don’t walk out because of the rapid fire ass pins enlarging the hole making it easier for them to slide out but on a brand new Traeger and a brand new lower it shouldn’t be needed only on substandard types I guess I don’t know why Vortx will be talking about shitty triggers I’ve tried CMC I don’t like it at all Geissele I wish would make a new air trigger that is a little bit different than the triggers that I have now somethings similar to the SD 3G or S 3G like a single stage with an extremely sharp reset like a one and a half pound pole as a super sharp reset and single stage G2 G my next trigger will be a SSP not sure if I’m gonna do the flat bow or the flat but go with this company that I’m telling you they have a shit ton of triggers and I think they have a new one that’s cheaper that it’s about 140 bucks the GQS insecure stage but all of their other triggers are to 40 except for the full auto and the HK and sig are different price …. For a home defense gun I would recommend the SSA or the SDC I have an Sd3d ( almost single stage rolling break The SSAE I have also and I have that on a 14.5 and it has a candy cane crack break and reset it is a trailer that has the first stage 1.9 to like 2.2 pounds and the second stage is .9 to 1.1 so basically you’re getting a 1 pound trigger pole after the zero creep or grit and feosseles have no greater creep not on any of their triggers and if you have an issue with one of them call them up they will answer within minutes and they will help you if you have something wrong or what not they’re very very good in their HR department