Russia's Quietest "Sniper"? The VSS Vintorez
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2023
- The VSS "Vintorez" is such an odd rifle that was in many ways massively ahead of it's time. The 9x39 is closest to the 8.6 blackout in terms of bullet weight (though it still lighter than those loadings typically). In today's video we take one of the few examples in the United States and go over this very fascinating design.
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Airsofters hate him: How he wins every match with one simple trick!
Brandon no
its my no1 trick to win a nerf war
Rest in peace AK Jesus
I was thinking of making that joke lmao
The sound effect for that impact cracked me up
I can't believe you missed the opportunity to call VSS the very silent sniper
Amongus
Various Super Snakes
More like vicious sub sonic
yes
Gamers 😒
That intro was simultaneously hilarious and deeply sad at the same time. Micah somehow perfectly manifested the innocence of a child being shattered as he realized something was wrong and his friend was hurt. Where the hell did he go to acting school and where's his Oscar?
The reason he perfected it so much is because Brandon actually died there, the reason he's in future videos is because they did a seance and revived him by giving him a singular 7.62x39mm round.
@@NabiVR Exactly, they filmed the intro last, that's why he showed up throughout the vid.
@@NabiVRthey fed Brandon a bowl of Ak parts to revive him
@@user-ns4zm8qe9pnah they just were about to bubba that VSS and his corpse wasn’t having it
The cry was spot on
S.T.A.L.K.E.R fans here not surprised by the efficiency of the VSS. Iconic.
They bought rounds from Sid so they didnt have that many of them because they were so expensive
Ah, a man of culture I see
Niiiice stuff you got there stalker, good hunting
i loved it in battle field bad company 2
Tarkov players neither :)
0:49
Even unalived, Brandon still has better trigger discipline than most people
that intro was DARK though
how many times did you watch the intro to notice that xD
Alec Baldwin hates him
@@finglipa2001 BUT accurate 😎👍
more like ... un-dead-ed-less-ness-ish-rino
These guys are such pros at this stuff that they even thought ahead and filmed the intro last, so Brandon could be in the whole video. RIP, Brandon. Thanks for your dedication.
funny
@@awfully.average Thanks, Dad!
@@eljefeamericano4308 no problem son
😂 да да
USA NUMBER ONE BABY LETS GIVE GUNS TO EVERYONE
Brandons abilities to gow with the flow and ability to one up you at your own game is legendary
The sounds from shooting the VSS make this your best video to date!
Micah’s acting was really top tier. The squeaky moan cry was so perfectly executed
Not gonna lie I felt actually bad for him it was so convincing
That was the best part of the whole video.
Its like the rankor handler in Star wars after Luke kills it lol
@@thecopperiris haha!
Airsoft!
Brandon's ragdoll fall was beyond expectations 😂
11/10
Bro, that fall sold that joke tenfold, I couldn't breath.
Then the fake sad faces they made topped it off😂😂
Bro I was crying laughing at that rag doll. So fkin good
i was impressed that even in death he had perfect trigger finger discipline
Vintorez, AN-94, SVD, glad to see these Eastern Bloc weapons examined and tested! Awesome!! Keep it up!
Such a beautiful weapon, along with the AS Val! Always loved Russian firearms❤
Красота при этом сочетается с надежностью. Но наши девушки еще лучше 😂
Привет из России
@@user-er5xc6vs6q Greetings from Wales, UK🏴
A lot of hate coming from our country at Russia but the British government did the exact same thing to Ireland, what’s the difference?😂
@@MarcusLB1998 You are more lucky, the international financial oligarchy has taken the English ethnic group (including American and Australian colonists) as a base for domination, and all sorts of India, Latin American countries, countries of the former USSR are objects for information attacks
Brandon’s fall was extremely convincing lol excellent job.
Watching vids for the darwin awards has made him a master at it.
It was fine work.
Wait he was acting?
Especially on a muddy Texas day
There are too many jokes here that would get me a visit from the secret service 😂
Brandon’s trigger discipline even after being un-alived is impeccable.
Noticed the same thing.
0:49 that's most cursed thing I have ever seen.
Even in death, trigger discipline rules over Brandon
I thought the same thing
All time best Thumb intro. Love this so much
Differences are unobvious but actually big
Different silencer construction
Maybe different metal for some parts
Different munition (original uses special sniper SP5 and armor-piercing SP6 subsonic 9x39)
of course different scope (original was PSO-1-1)
Its an old model so there is wooden stock but nowadays of course its replaced by plastic stock to lessen the weight
But as they say it is the most accurate as you can get outside russian special forces
And its looks cool AF
Different firing mechanism but for everything else it's pretty much the same as AS VAL. And in terms of practical use they're being used in nearly the same way. So you'll see a lot of pics of VSS with 30rd mag from 2022 and some 1-4 or 1-6 optics not to mention that Lazarev Tactical already done a video as well as Veresk. Both in russian and for russians so you might need a translator for it since I can't make subs on YT for some kind of reason (still don't know tbh).
And there's also some vids about 9A-91 and it's pros and cons comparing to AS/VSS. Once again separated with language barrier, so you can watch but you can't tou-- ...understand.
@@tieroneoperator635also I forgot different barrel rifling step between military and civil model
@@old_liquid there's no civil 9x39 firearms. At least in RF.
Legend has it, VSS actually stands for Very Super Sneaky
Just like how the 'SD' in MP5 SD stands for Super Duper Quiet
Or its original name VЭЯЧ SЦPЭЯ SЙԐДҜЧ
@@Wolf_Larsen the MP5SD wishes it was the bases VSS tho.
its is Sneaki Breeki comerade
Very Special Sneakyboi
I love the "leave it in" attitude you guys have towards editing these videos now
They edit these videos?
Being out of the military lets you have a lot more freedom to express yourself.
I bet you do love it when he leaves it in 😩
Started watching with anticipation of an Epic, well shot and beautifully edited intro....Was not disappointed
I’ve never laughed so hard to a Garand thumb video! That intro was gold 😂
I loved how the STALKER games modeled the 9x39s, it hits like a truck but the bullet drop is so exaggerated it's basically a bow & arrow
similar in pubg
I mean it is sub sonic so it is gonna drop a ton but it's still funny
Ghost Recon Breakpoint has it modelled like that also.
Well, keep in mind that 200 meters is really on the edge for accurate fire for this gun, at least according to the lessons from Chechnya. Really specialized bit of kit. Btw, It served me well in Lymansk and Red Forest bridge capture.
It's not because it's not accurate that there is a lot of bullet drop, and it's annoying how in games they profusly mix the two@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210
This whole opening had a very different tone, and delivery. I loved it. And that kid that normally runs the camera can act.
Micah is always a treat
I love how much you’re bringing the other guys into the videos. You guys riff off each other so well and it has really elevated the quality recently.
@@GarandThumb Why did I hear the sound of a shot from your VSS in the video, which is several times louder than the sound of a shot from my VSS?
Truly an ensemble cast, even if no Charlie...
The VSS is by far my favourite firearm in existence; there's just something about it!
I really wanted to see some down range audio. Would be interesting to hear what being shot at by one sounds like. And how far away the muzzle blast can be heard. A comparison with 8.6 wouldve been really cool!
The dedication of Brandon for the face down in the mud was 💯 % full send. Garand thumb, hopefully you bought him a case of white claws
Two cases for getting him to do the skit first and stay dirty for more filming.
Three cases for getting shot and killed 🎉
Or a case of Happy Dad by Nelk/Full Send!
why not bud light?
@@doodskie999 bud light is just water identifying as beer
Even in death he has better trigger discipline than some of us alive.
What does trigger discipline mean?
@@amberbhatia3081 at 0:49 you can see his finger is off the trigger, to the side of the gun. He has the 'discipline' to keep his finger off the 'trigger', which is the easiest way to prevent accidental firing.
@@amberbhatia3081
Basically only having your finger (or anything else) on the trigger when it's so safe to do so, such as when you intend to fire.
Effing airsofters with their unrealistic trigger happy setups. 😄
very good gun owner, instinctually does trigger dicipline
Keep up the amazing videos 🙏🙌
Best channel on RUclips for sure. Made me chuckle
Brandon has impeccable trigger discipline even after getting a 9x39 during an airsoft match…
😂 that muscle memory on point
Tbh, the bad weather works pretty well with the VSS. Together, they give the video the perfect S.T.A.L.K.E.R.-vibes.
Totally! I was wondering what that feel was, but didn't realize this. = )
My thought exactly! I know it's not really the place but this brings back great memories playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
it‘s perfect, i love it
He's even got Scars Heavy Coat.
The intro to this one is incredibly priceless!! I've watched this three times and I bust out laughing. Good times, keep it up my good dudes!
What a sketch at the beginning! What a location and weather! amazing atmosphere
I love Garand Thumb. Here, in Russia, the gun laws are pretty strict, although not so much. Russian bloggers make good videos about those guns, but it really makes me happy when a man with proper experience in guns (you Americans can have your guns from the childhood unlike us Russians lmao) reviews our stuff.
By the way, all the videos are AMAZINGLY produced and I could see that you all made them with love. Thank you, Garand Thumb team! Keep your great work up!
Everyday we are getting closer to losing our gun rights. The culture has gone to crap and the anti gun community says its the gun, while at the same time saying guys can have babies, so there's that....😂 stay Rad bud.
Дааа, в России все автоматическое вооружение под запретом.Максимум, гладкоствольное оружие
Экстра: тут ещё говорят, что можно иметь нарезное оружие.Что ж, верю соотечественникам
UPD.I could type it on Default English but I won’t do that.If you didn’t catch the point, use ur favourite google or better Yandex translator
UPPD.I don’t support Greenland or Motherland
@@TheHonoredMan would you like to come shoot some guns?
@@TheHonoredManнарезное у нас так то тоже разрешено, а автоматическое и в Штатах хрен достанешь, так что если желаешь себе эрзац-калаш, милости просим
Man, it must suck to only get access to an automatic weapon under the provision that you help invading a sovereign nation.
With as many times as you mentioned 8.6 blackout you’re now obligated to review an 8.6 rifle
yessir!
@@GarandThumb You love to see it
@@GarandThumb join Wagner PMC
That was pretty good stunt fall. Good work.
the way brandon just drops makes it so good
I love how Donut just comes out of his homeless-guy van from out of nowhere.
And holy CRAP that sound after hitting the ballistics gel and the steel targets is WIERD!
Instead of offering little kids candy he offers guntubers weapon parts.🤣
"Hey there, want a sear?"
Weird* I before E except after C and those words sounding like neighbor and weigh.
I still don't understand what the sounds are actually coming from. Is it so slow that you can hear it spinning?
@@A-rl4or weird doesn't sound like neighbour or weigh
@@A-rl4or Spelling weird wierd makes weird wierder. 🤷♂️
Despite getting body-bagged, Brandon’s trigger discipline remains on point.
I paused it just to see how good Brandon's ragdoll was, had that same thought, looked into comments, found I'm not the only autist that saw it lmao
Been playing battlefield and was trying to find the actual gun in real life for so long. So cool to see this vid and the gun in real time
Brandon saying “don’t tell them that” seemed 100% legit and now you know Brandon is most certainly going to be harassed by his community until he builds and ASVAL
We must enforce these FPS limits or more COD kids will fall victim to these HPA polarstar builds
I love you drewski
No full auto in buildings
@@geometro. that wasn't full auto
*_Removes limiter on M134 motor_*
GIG EM AGGIES
@Matthew thank you
The VSS was in fact designed as a covert weapon for groups like the KGB. A custom briefcase design was made to fit the detachable suppressor. Stock, and PSO optic separately.
Все детали винтовки и оптический прицел, магазины, патроны и инвентарь находились в чемоданчике. На видео , винтовка похожая на ВСС, но ничего общего не имеющая с оригинальной винтовкой. Секрет успешности ВСС, это совокупность необычного ствола, интегрированного глушителя и боеприпасов к ней , что дало практическую бесшумность и ювелирную точность.
Also paratroopers. Probably a lot more comfortable to jump with and then assemble the three parts once on the ground.
This thing had the potential to really weigh in heavily on the 2A
It's actually from a game called STALKER bro
That monster can looks like it belongs on a 50cal
This has to be one of the best intros. Second only to the krink video maybe. Definitely the funniest. Brandon really committed to that fall lol.
It's so cool to see my favorite channels be friends😊
It's crazy when you hear a ricochet like that in real life. The first time I heard it, I was like, "holy shit, old western movies weren't lying."
or when you hear bullets flying over your head.
@@Saku19 yeah, that's a freaky sound.
Yeah that was a big surprise, old westerns and tarkov have really accurate ricochet sounds
@@Centermass762 Yeah, It’s the sound of death.
Shoot subsonic 22lr without ear protection. You'll hear it occasionally.
I always been a sucker for the VSS, such cool weapon and I've only seen one here in Venezuela and was carried by an army guy while doing patrol, I could not resist myself so i approached the guy and asked him about the gun and he was really cool about it, we talked for a solid 10 minutes about that gun alone.
Dude! This wins my best comment of the day 😅 Have you seen any AK-100 series ones as well by any chance?
@@heyheyhophop in Venezuela they have AK-103’s
@@heyheyhophop I've shot the 103 with a Russian optic, pretty nice rifle.
Escape from tarkov has incredibly designed vss's and as-val's
En que parte de Venezuela? Yo siempre veo aks, FALs y el fae lleva AUG por alguna razon
I feel like every episode begins with a quiz. Brutal.
Those holes twisting out are cool. Seen that in paint ball guns. I guess that's to allow gas to escape early or expand quickly into suppressor.. interesting concept.. thanks guys .. that's the kick ass weapon
The intro had me laughing real good! Thank you for making such a quality intro-top to bottom-ADD breaks-review on the best airsoft gun! Gonna get 1 myself now!
VAL betta m9
Friend of mine used to play airsoft in high school. He said there was this Army reserves dude that made a big deal about wearing his issued gear at airsoft games because it was training. He also had a M4 airsoft, and had bought himself a Beretta M9 and an M9 airsoft gun. Takes his sidearm out of the holster after a game goes to clear it, and a live 9mm round bloops out of the chamber. Call your hits indeed.
Reserves moment
I wear my actual armor when playing airsoft as training as well, but suddenly that armor just became a requirement and not a nerf.
I used to play in a few big airsoft matches when I was still active service, just took my badges and rank off my camos and played like that LOL, but I never fouled like that, different model guns for airsoft than for real stuff. Also, weight and feel is different, not to mention WTF was that guy doing in his real life to casually have his M9 chambered laying around?
@@noth606 I don't think a different model gun is necessary, like you say the weight and especially the mags being visibly different at the top is a clear indication. I have a GBBR that is the exact same as my real AR down to the switch placement and hand stops.
That's a good point though. You chamber the round when you load the gun before putting it in the holster, so there is no way he couldn't have known. Unless he just stores his handgun chamber loaded 24/7 or something, which is stupid.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj I've trained differently, never carry chambered unless alone in the woods hunting. FDF training, but in contrast we don't use the safety nearly at all. I would not carry a chambered gun in a holster or on a sling, if it's chambered I'm active ready holding it with both hands pointing slightly down, or aiming at something or someone. Different doctrine, I almost never use the safety, it's either not chambered or chambered but safety off except AK where unchambered safety on.
That intro is godly 10/10!
I'd really love to see the VSS in slow motion without the suppresor. Would probably look cool to see the gasses venting from the spiral holes.
The sound that 9x39 made zipping through the rain was so cool and satisfying
This guy got much more rounds of this))
ruclips.net/video/LL_MdIkrOgY/видео.html
Ah yes, another rare gun that video games made us think was super duper commonplace.
idk what games youve been playing but the Vintorez is far more rare than the Mosin Nagant or Dragunov
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 Call of Duty AS Val
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 It's somewhat rare in games, but still waaay more common than in real life. EFT, Stalker, Arma II and couple Battlefield games feature it quite prolifically. Nowhere near as common as the rifles you mention, but still not the unicorn it is in real life.
Insurgency Sandstorm
@@crazymachinima1 some of the Russian special weapons are rare in real life, but are relatively common in Syria, potentially Iraq - VSK-94, OSV-96 and the KSVK comes to mind
First video I see of this channel and just for the intro I decided to subscribe
you guys have too much fun!! great video on a very interesting RUSSIAN rifle.
nice to see how Brandon remains so jovial despite being killed on the airsoft field, what a fella!
People will do anything to avoid calling their hits in Airsoft smh
Brandon hit the ground so hard 😂 took his role very seriously
The darwin awards payed off
I look forward to your PSS review
best intro you have ever done!!!
I’m often jealous of the guns you shoot, but this one truly hits different. The VSS has always been my favorite, not really the best weapon out there, but just such a unique and cool one.
the best weapons are often not the best weapons. it's like cars, sure there's probably a faster car but it's also about personality and enjoying your tools.
@@cat-le1hf
Best weapon is one that keeps on working even in situations where its not supposed to work.
And that my friend dont put alot of weapon on the table.
It is what it is.
It's cool for sure, but I would still prefer an MP5 SD.
The ultimate survival weapon
There is a tool for every job. Any tool designed to do ALL jobs, sucks at most of them
By far one of the funniest intros you guys have come up with. Brandon's rag-doll was on point and plus the shenanigans in the rest of the video were priceless.
Main mf mans Brandon hit the liveleak crumple mid run flawlessly lmao
This gun was amazing in Battlefield. It also looks badass.
I was unstoppable with it so I always picked it. Average with every other gun lol.
That duo trigger pull on the ghosting test was beautiful 😂
9:48 is crazy 9x39 going through air sounds awesome. Little worried about Cody’s van gettin a ricochet😂
I truly admire Brandon's "dead dab" position and his finger off the trigger discipline even when expired!!! Good job Brandon!!!
Came here to say this!
@@lechepe6484 and you did
I hate that you're right, he did dab
Even in death Brandon puts safety first.
There is a way heavier hitter . Check out the VKS , it’s this same as a VSS but bigger, it fires a 12.9mm x 55mm (ya did the math right, it’s a .50 cal version of the VSS).
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Выхлоп_(снайперская_винтовка)
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/АШ-12
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ВСК-94 VCK
I like how true to form the battlefield interpretation of this weapon is (BSVM). Slow bullet, extra quiet, hits like a truck.
This is going to be certifiably epic indeed.
I cannot believe that Garand Thumb killed Brandon Herrera while "airsofting" with a 9x39mm SP-6 round from a VSS, may he rest in peace
A pretty cool way to die..
I mean it was this or ak50 explosion....RIP ak jesus
he who lives by the kalash dies by it
Brandon just keeps getting unlucky with compressed air
It was a good death 😆
This has to be my favorite intro!
I love the intro, Made me gasp in surprise
I appreciate how even in death, Brandon has good trigger discipline
Круто! Очень рад был видеть Брэндона в твоем видео, со своей винтовкой ВСС "Винторез", круто что вы встретились несмотря на погоду! Я Брэндона давно знаю, и подписан на него) Когда он делал обзор на свою ВСС, я желал, чтобы у него появилась ВСС российского производства и с российскими патронами!
Thank you!
The VSS and AS-VAL hold a special place in my heart cause it was the first rifle I actually learned about and was able to remember just by sound and look. I’m still new to gun related stuff but if it wasn’t for the AS-VAL or VSS in STALKER I probably wouldn’t have gotten into guns
Yes, exactly where I found it too! lol
CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE CYKA BLYAAAAT
I literally just finished Shadow of Chernobyl last night and I'm so glad I started using my Vintorez at the Pripyat part. I never used it before because I got it pretty late. Unfortunately, I didn't take enough ammunition for it because I thought I'd make more use of my GP so I stocked up on ammunition for that gun, instead. The Vintorez is excellent for medium to long range combat.
First STALKER then DayZ and Arma the Insugency for me but if I have to take any gun in DayZ I love AS-VAL with AP rounds...have fun
How about that Stalker Gamma update 0.9? Pretty nice eh.
Interesting fact. The full name of the weapon is "VSS Vintorez", which means VSS - special sniper rifle (from Russian). And Vintorez - literally "twist the screws" because of the similar sound when firing
rather "cut the screw"
Very Special Sniper
@@hwbxjr Более подходит twist, чем cut. Не резать, а вкручивать.
@@fuyifuyi9356 ВинтоРез as in Cutting
«Rifling cutter» as in tool that cuts threads into the bore
Bro you have the best intros!!
My new favorite quote now is "Once crime is involved... anything is possible" LMFAO
Kudos to Brandon for that cinematic fall and rolling in mud for our entertainment.
We are so lucky to have the Guntube group that we do. These 3 idiots, Kentucky and Demolition Ranch are really freaking funny and know their stuff.
This was the craziest thing I’ve seen in quite some time. That round passing thru the gel and tumbling was insane
Demo ranch sucks
Fax and I love most of them are in Texas to im tryna meet them all an hav a drink 😂
Well, there is one more, but you probably won't understand him. It's "Крупнокалиберный переполох". And he is a much more Idiot
One of my favourite guns in AVA.
A suppressed automatic sniper, it was even more op than the p90.
The ricochet into the target was crazy
I would kill to have a core group of buddies to do shit like this with, by far one of the coolest videos in terms of auditory experience. that weird ricochet/breaking apart of the projectile sound was nuts.
Hell man, come chill with me & my friends.
We're always out on the range doing something.
@@pewpew9193 PewPew tactical
Its crazy that Brandon actually owns a vss. I cant even imagine how much its worth
oh easily $10k or more. really it's all what someone would be willing to pay and im positive there are people in the gun communities around the US who would pay well over $10,000 to have that specific VSS
@@07Hawkeye I would say definitely more than 10k bc an SVD goes for that or more
I mean he found a parts kit, and has experience making russian guns from parts kits......
@@07Hawkeye only 10? I see them sell once every few months on gunbroker/armslist for upwards of 40-50k, it’s insane, and a life stretch goal
Checked now, gunbroker has a parts kit for 15k
One of my favorites guns and caliber
Holy crap dude that opening was daaaaark
0:50 Even in death, he still has amazing trigger discipline.
Alec Baldwin could never
Props to Garand for giving a shoutout to unknown RUclipsrs like Brandon Herrera
Who’s that?
Right fuck that Matt Hoover guy. Let him rot in prison. I’m actually disappointed.
Brandon isnt unkown lol, and hes a bot I swear ive seen you in every single video i've watched
unknown for you ...
@@cactusskeet ...right over your head
What a crossover😎🔝 Donut Operator with Garand Thumb 🔝😎
Garand and bradon colabs r perfect
The VSS line of weapons have always been my favorite. Its such a beautiful gun, and unsupressed, sounds incredible.
VSK-94 and SR-3 series should interest you too
I am once again in the comments asking Garand Thumb to host an annual, week long SERE course so we can become deadly in the mountains.
Watchin gi Jane now
That’s not what sere is for…..
AFAIK, SERE Instructors are basically banned from teaching Resistance and Escape techniques to civilians. Basically the fun stuff. Which isn't very fun.
It's basically the ABU GRAIB EXPERIENCE from what little I was told by the old heads who graduated, anonymously of course.
Just visit a hardcore dominatrix. Or just pay a butch lesbian to lock you in a dark room, blindfolded, tied to a chair, headphones taped to your head blasting death metal and screeching owls for 48 hours straight...
Dunno why they don't already do that...
@@Sakattack2023 it is now
Just go camping. Nerd
09:46 OMG this sound is AMAZING!
if we were allowed to have fun things in australia and ammo was easily available. i think this would be my number one choice for a survival rifle. always loved the weapon
This video was awesome, from Brandon and Donut to the skipping rounds out of the ballistics gel and hitting the target.... I really like episodes like this where all the good gunners get together and play around, very funny and very entertaining. 😁👍
I’m from Russia, and I want to say a big thank you for such an interesting review of our weapons! In Russia, the VSS is a cult and quite popular weapon, which is still used by some special forces army groups.
Hello to all friends from anouther countries! I wish there was no war in your house, and all the wars that are going on now are over as soon as possible. Peace!
Hi fren. Greetings from the USA.
you sound like a good man
@@vjfrye137 they are good untill you provoke them
@@ghaah anyone's good until you provoke them. Do not demonize russians. There's always different people, in any nation.
@@lunotarr Thats what im saying im not demonising anyone.
That intro was amazing
Awesome video for an interesting gun, thanks! I'll take mine with a 20 round mag, selective semi auto / 2 round burst , vertical fore grip, 1x optic mounted on the scope and hinged polymer stock :p
PUBG showed me the thrill and power of the VSS. Garand Thumb showed me the friends the VSS makes along the way.
Best pub g gun
I used to terrorize players. They would run from cover to cover not knowing where I was. This was from way out. Like double holdover. So fun.