AR15 Trigger Comparison - Hiperfire, Elftmann, Geissele, Rise Armament, Triggertech
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As someone else has mentioned. The TriggerTech is a 2 stage trigger with the 1st stage rated at 0.75lbs. And the 2nd stage rated at 2.75lbs (total of 3.5lbs). I have the competition on my AR and love it.
What model number is your trigger? TIA
They have single stage and two stage and have for almost 3 years.
@@curtisneill2007they do have both, but the one tested is a 2 stage
Absolutely fantastic, this is, by far, the best video comparison out there! Thank you very much for all of your excellent analysis, detailed videography, graphs and informative presentation style; a huge amount of work but very much appreciated!
Many thanks and warmest regards from the deepest rural UK
i’m just here to share my appreciation for having the correct names over the corresponding triggers in the thumbnail.. 90% of the time people have it all ass backwards.
What a great video!! Thanks for schooling this AR noob! I've been needing a video like this. The one before this was also very informative and helpful
Really liked the addition of the measurement behind the triggers for the take-up, break and reset
Damn. One of the best comparison videos on triggers I have ever seen. Outstanding. Thank you for that detail.
Really nicely done. Easy to see everything.
Thank you this is not only what I was looking for but you actually surpassed what I was looking for.
The information, the demonstration, the execution and explanations, all of it was great! Really really good content, thank you!
thanks Steven. Appreciate you watching.
Amazing job, these videos have helped me understand every verbal that affects trigger feel and operation. This has everything I need to make the best selection possible on my next trigger purchase. Thank you
This is one of the best trigger reviews I have ever seen. Very in depth analysis. Keep up the great work!
Nice video! Very cool, I think this is a great example of what trigger design is and the things you gain or lose in creep and break and travel from different manufacturers.
Some great info here. I primarily use the Geissele SSA and the LaRue MBT-2S triggers and love them both. I am less concerned with trigger pull weight or takeup, as opposed to the predictability and cleanness of the break. Tough thing to measure and compare objectively without additional instruments, but I always feel like I know exactly when the trigger is going to fire.
Bill Geissele explains why some triggers should have a carrot feel to the break on combat rifles as opposed to a glass break on a bolt action target rifle.
I enjoyed this video as much as your first, great content. I'd love to see the Lantac ECT-1 trigger in your next round, and see how it stacks up in an overcrowded market.
Man, I’d love to see an update to this video! So many new fantastic triggers on the market. Let’s go for Episode 4!
I have a Elftmann AR9 drop in trigger installed on my shorty pcc and I love it, smooth, crisp, not much travel at all. Love em.
I don't think the Geissele is really meant as a competitor to the rest of these. Geissele markets their triggers as being just as reliable as milspec, while being compatible with milspec springs. For my hard use, home defense, bet-my-life-on-it lower, I use Geissele SSA-E. For my competition and range lower, I use a Hipertouch Eclipse.
As far as the S3G, Geissele states quite clearly that it's designed to feel like a single stage, not that it actually is one.
One of the best Geissele triggers was their BG-RF Rapid Fire trigger which was only offered through Brownell's exclusively. The BG-RF was a hybrid that broke like a single stage and reset like a double stage. Absolutely no creep, ultra-short reset and 2.8 to 2.9 trigger pull that was very similar to the US SOCOM 's Super Select Fire trigger system. This model was discontinued a few years back, but they were a real diamond in the rough.
Great job at picking a variety of triggers from multiple price points. I found that very refreshing and I found this video just in time for my next 2 builds!!
Thanks for your efforts. This saved me much trial and error in settling on a trigger for my 308 build. I just ordered the Rise Armorment 535 as it fits my needs. I am looking for a slight pre-travel to match up with the 1 mm pretravel in my Franklin Armory Binary trigger in my 556. I also used your HARLEYWOOD code at MSR arms to order the trigger and few other things for my 308 build.
God damn, this video's detail and quality are top notch. First time seeing any video and an instant sub, keep it up
PSA has a new trigger two stage id love to see tested! Having a drop safe design like the elf is very nice to have as well.
Just put a Hiperfire EDT Sharp Shooter in my Bushmaster and used the 4 1/2lb spring. To me a really good upgrade from the mil-spec, this is my first trigger upgrade. Like to see a test on those EDTs from Hiperfire to know the actual numbers. BTW, excellent informative videos 👍👍
Outstanding job!!! Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this video. Ron
Love these in depth videos man, keep up the good work!
I watched both videos several times and now I know what trigger I want. Thank you so much for the work you put in. I picked the Rise Armament RA-434. If I like it I'll put one in my Ruger SR-556. Thanks again
Todd Baker
You’ll love it. Thanks for watching
Watching this calmed me down. Just the thorough, mindful process and display of research.
Ciento percento effort
Very, very nice job. Thanks. Btw, I watched all the vids in this series. Bang up job! Much appreciated.
I bought 3 TT triggers after watching this. 1 adjustable and 2 competition. Love them all!
Nice work! Really appreciate your time and effort on this!
Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to do these reviews! I know it is a TON of work!
I had a Geissele SD-E two stage in a precision AR. Had too much creep for what it cost. Had a Hiperfire 24C. It was amazing. Sold it to a buddy who wanted to use it for 3-gun.
I just ordered a Timney Calvin Elite. I'm going to run it for a while, but may do another build with the Hiperfire Eclipse. The higher end Hiperfires are much cleaner than the Genesis.
No problem man. Thanks for watching. I've had a TON of requests to review the Calvin Elite. That might have to be included in part 4. I've also had some feedback that this Hiperfire isn't necessarily the best one and that I should review the Eclipse or Reflex. Also lots of folks asking for the ATC Gold. Lot's of good options for another version of this series.
Triggertech diamond and atc gold would be solid choices for Harleys next review.
The thing that's great but also sucks about triggers is its so damn subjective. It really makes finding one each person will like hard without trying one in someone else's rifle or pistol. It sucks to bite the bullet and buy a trigger you may end up hating even after watching videos. Some of them cost good amounts to only be stuck with something you have to either sell or just throw in a drawer.
In my opinion there are good reasons to use a Geissele over others, durability, safety and repeatability and in the off chance a primer did manage to fall back into the trigger assembly, you can get get it out. It will stop a cassette from working because the cassette designs make a good portion of them, unable to be take apart to get the primer out of the assembly. For a defense rifle that's a big negative. I also really appreciate that Geissele use full power springs for reliability. Lastly their hammer design how it hits in the sweet spot which aids in repeatability for accuracy.
For me, my cassette trigger of choice is ATC gold and Triggertech diamond, followed by RA-434 if I wanted a cheaper budget cassette. I dont dislike elftmann either but prefer gold and diamond in the premium price cassette market.
Thanks for the video. Nicely done. One bit of constructive criticism if I might. Change your setup on the trigger pull weight measurement sure that you engage the trigger at the exact same location vertically each time to avoid a change in leverage on the trigger. This should significantly reduce variability. 😁
This^
Was exactly my thought, but you covered it hah
It seems that you could use model paint or nail polish to pick a reference spot to engage the trigger pull gauges repeatably. This is one way that high power marksmen set up sights and scopes. The technique works well for me. I might add that I use an RCBS spring type gauge. It has a rubber tube, not a roller, as with the Lyman gauge. I find that the Lyman gauge is very difficult to reposition even on a curved trigger shoe. A set of metal weights and formed wire attachment are absolutely the best system that I ever saw for trigger pull measurement. These sets were universal when I was an active competitor in NRA High Power and CMP service rifle events. It was possible to process hundreds of marksmen before a match. I am thinking about Camp Perry and the National Matches now. CMP match directors probably will not allow flat trigger shoes. The part represents a "visible modification" to the service rifle. I have had to remove non-rotating trigger and hammer pins to qualify my service rifle. The restriction is clearly in the CMP rules -- as is trigger pull weight limits (#4.5 minimum).
Geissele is the only trigger I trust in this review on a fighting rifle used and abused by military and is built to be bomb proof
I like my geissele too, but Hyperfire's competition triggers will shock you with how nice they are.
Love my geissele
@@jaykapur9588 I put the giessle sap on a pistol just for home defense. Got an sg3g on a rifle 4.5 lb best of both worlds IMO for a rifle single stage isn’t as good. I would like the hybrid I have or 2 stage if I’m going to shoot long range shots with.
FYI: The TriggerTech is more of a two stage trigger and you only get that additional mm of travel I’d you let off completely so it’s a moot point.
I'm currently writing the parts list for my "forever" AR, and came here to look at different trigger options. I really appreciate what you've done in these videos. I've been writing it out and then reading the price later for each part, but I honestly think I'm going to go with the less expensive Rise Armament after seeing this. You, sir, have saved me some money.
LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Flat trigger. Under $100 shipped. 3.5lb trigger pull. Crisp break. Can’t beat it!
@@TheMetalLife666 I have 2 of the LaRou triggers and a RA454 the RA is better and worth the extra spend IMHO. If your uses is the range mostly and self-defense as a last resort, I'd go with the RA. If you are using it as a self-defenses only rifle (police or private security) the LaRou is more forgiving of people who play with the trigger.
Bottom line is keep your finger of the damn thing unless you are ready to shoot. I have a PPQ and it's trigger is not very forgiving to flinches. It will punish you with an ND if you screw around.
This format is so good. Because like you said there's different reasons why someone would go with one over another. For instance my bedside AR has an SSA in it for a reason as my DMR build has a triggertech adjustable (on recommend by your previous video and is also my favorite trigger) but I wouldn't swap them for the roles that they perform.
Thank you for taking the time to put together this nearly perfect video. A very clean, concise, informative video that allows your personality to come through without any blah blah blah down a rabbit hole about who farted. Nothing is worse than asking for the time and someone tries to tell you how a watch is made instead. Anyway I normally do not comment or like or subscribe because well I leave pointless comments like this. But for whatit is worth thank you. look forward to more
I love this type of comparison... there always is personal preference but this really broke down the numbers
New to ARs and wanted to understand more of how the trigger works. Video really helped me out. Thank you!
very welcome. thanks for watching
LOVE THESE COMPARISONS!! I’ve used your videos to settle on the Elftmann match triggers for my two ARs. I had RISE in them before. For the money, the RISE are hard to beat. I just wanted the lightest pull for my two bench ARs. Thank you!
Blackout zero?
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Most scientific trigger group review i have ever seen. Thank you. Subbed.
That safety is awesome, a peace sign and scull and crossbones.
This was a badass video! I love to see things work!!
This video is incredible. Can’t wait to check out the other trigger review videos! Thanks and God bless!
Great job providing pure analytical information -- devoid of subjectivism. A+
Great video!!! Thanks for the comparisons!
Fantastic man, I really appreciate you doing these tests, I’m in the market for an enhanced trigger. 👍👍
Great job dude. I appreciate the info.
Stumbled across this channel, great break down, especially watching the internals as the trigger being pulled. I would ask one thing be added to this which is the "HAMMER STRIKE", many competition triggers suffer from light "HAMMER STRIKE" or light primer strike which can cause many problems for anyone using Military ammo or other bulk ammo. p.s. would love to see the "BEST" triggers of each brand especially of those offered today. Thank you for a great presentation!
Fantastic review! I appreciate the scientific approach.
Elftmann Triggers are on all my AR's. Absolutely luv' em.
Just purchased a Hipertouch Genesis trigger for my AR Pistol, very informative video. Great work!
I no I'm 4 months late but this was a great video , I'm new 2 the 2A world very informative. Thanks 4 what all u guys do.
Love the video!! My first drop in trigger I got for my 16” AR was the Trigger Tech Independence Competition Trigger with the preset 3.5lb pull and I was blown away by how smooth it was along with the reset and craftsmanship of the trigger all together. I would swap my lower with that trigger from my .223/5.56 AR to my 300 blackout pistol and love the feel of it on my 300 Blackout upper as well. Since then I have ordered a Rise Armament Blitz trigger(got a really good deal on it) so decided to try it out. I am waiting for it now and interested to see how it stacks up with my Trigger Tech.
Hey man, got an update? How do you like your Blitz trigger?
A trigger review that provides actual information where it can. thank you for this.
I have the same trigger system, it does the same thing; a little take up then a smooth release. I have two, love them!
Stern defense H2S, Timney impact, and Rise armaments blitz for a budget trigger comparison?
Thanks for the video I bought a few of these triggers for some builds I’m making
This video helped a lot
First time I've found you. Subscribed. (rare on first video for me) I don't know the other folks here, but longer run time on a video is not an issue for me, when presenting solid, useful info.
Good, detailed comparison. Thank you!
Hey brother, I really like how you've done this video! Great job!
I have most of the triggers in this video. My favorite trigger hands down is the Triggertech Diamond, such a smooth crisp trigger. The Geissele SD-E is my second favorite
What would you recommend for a mid priced flat faced trigger
@@marcpodolski3366 I'd personally go with the Larue MBT flat trigger. And they have single and 2 stage so you can pick your preference
@@marcpodolski3366 it's a decent trigger thats about $110/$125. Cheaper if you can find a sale or something
Awesome job on this! I need to pick up some of those tools to step my testing game up to your level.
Thanks ... Your effort is appreciated!!!
Great information on all topics. Good job!!!
I love these videos, you do a great job! If you end up doing another I’d love to see you include Blackout Defense‘s Zero trigger and something from Velocity triggers
Thanks for putting this out
Really good information! I appreciated the scientific approach versus opinion. Good content! Keep it up!
Really nice work. Well done. All information.
Out of all of the parts of an AR there is to review I like trigger reviews the most. I have all three of the Rise Armament triggers and they have always worked without any issues.
Did you see part 2 of this series? I was highly impressed with the RA-434.
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Great informative video, well done Mr. HarleyWood
Some nice triggers... I settled on the Trigger Tech Adjustable Frictionless Zero Creep Strait... nice machining and great performance.
So glad you decided to only compare single stage triggers with each other. I love both single stage and two stage triggers but I hate every time some RUclipsr compares single stage with two stage, it isn't an apples to apples test when you do that.
I’d love to see the ALG ACT trigger tested using this format!
Fantastic video man!
great review video, that trigger jig is pretty cool. I just got a Rise Armament Rave 140 trigger and love it !
Armament & Axes
Thanks man. I have one of those too. You’re right. It’s great.
Thank you for the great info!!!! You’re awesome!!!!
I just found your videos and love them! If you perform another set of tests may I request the Geissele G2S? It's their more budget friendly option and one of my favorites. The two examples I have both break cleanly with some gentle but smooth (and predictable) take-up. I know it isn't the best trigger out there but I'm curious how it stacks up objectively. I personally quite like it as a "Goldilocks trigger". Not too pricey, not too fancy; not the best, but enough that I don't feel the need for more.
It’s the same as SSA but batch tested. It’s amazing just get it if you need to save the money. Otherwise just get the SSA
I love these videos and I would love to see some alg triggers reviewed😀
Hell yeah! I have never used an aftermarket trigger but I just bought 2 triggertech comps for just over $100 each. Can’t wait to feel the difference.
Awesome episode! Thanks!
great info brother !! thank you!!
Great video. Appreciate the work.
Very much appreciated. You save me all kinds of wonder.
This just came into my feed.....nice summary at the end!.....I have an old JP trigger which is my match trigger@2.5#....a hyper fire which is ok but a little sloppy like you said, and a Timney that I did not like, but now I am coming around to it...it is tight
Solid love this review
Absolutely well made content!
As ALWAYS thanks harley !!!
Liked- subscribed - appreciate your time and info! Bravo
Would like to see you include the triggers from aim surplus and the rise armement 140 and 240 triggers. Awesome videos been very helpful thanks for making
Excellent analysis
I put a Timney Impact in my gat; I haven't taken it to the range yet, but I'm quite keen to see what difference it makes.
The triggertech is designed to be somewhat of a two stage, that’s why it has the “creep” before it hits the wall on the trigger
It's ok on a 2 pound if you know when it's going to go off,, and the reset looks good
AWESOME VIdeos!! The three top triggers I have never seen reviewed head to head are the Hiperfire Eclipse, Triggertech Diamond, and AR Gold. I hear the AR Gold and Triggertech Diamond are extremely close but never seen them in comparison.
I agree with this list and would add in the Timney Calvin Elite. Those are probably the "best" triggers currently on the market. Oh, and the JP.
These are all the best of the best, but for different reasons. AR Gold/TT Diamond for precision, and Hiperfire Eclipse for pure speed.
Great trigger video! Some good triggers in your collection.
a 2 pound trigger is a bad idea unless its a bench gun. I have the SSA. In 3 gun with the flat trigger bow it startles me from time to time. I also like pre travel. Great video.
Great work. Takes out a lot of guess work on what trigger to buy.
Great job brother. I learned alot and deeply appreciate the time and effort you put into this!🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Excellent video sir!
Wow😲😲😲well done and thank you for the detail .
Dipping my toes into the mod world of guns. Starting with my M&P15. Was looking up Velocity triggers but ended up here. While I'm def not looking at these right now due to wanting to be a little more budget at the moment, I loved and enjoyed the work you put into this that has lead me into subscribing!
Was the sw all you could afford lol save up and get a bum or Zion or black rain ordinance all under a thousand
DW man it's nothing wrong with the M&P; don't have to but deluxe if it works right.