Harley your a he'll of a man. A gentleman , hard working, extremely though. Luv the paperweight the mils. Please keep bringing da heat brother. You have to be though with these clowns. It's always the joksters that can't shoot a lick. I know you can. When you dad from 69 still hold 2 world records to date texas us open open 198 of200 with rem 1100 long barrel fir trap slap in the short and ROCK SKEET another world record do I can smell a marksman. Warmest regards. Happy hunting brother...
As someone else has mentioned. The TriggerTech is a 2 stage trigger with the 1st stage rated at 0.75lbs. And the 2nd stage rated at 2.75lbs (total of 3.5lbs). I have the competition on my AR and love it.
i’m just here to share my appreciation for having the correct names over the corresponding triggers in the thumbnail.. 90% of the time people have it all ass backwards.
We mere mortals don’t have a bunch of money to upgrade a trigger ten times to get a better feel. I grew up shooting a military trigger and was deadly accurate and never came in second in a gunfight….. I will simply say this…. A crisper trigger with less pound pull feels great and takes out all the breathing movement and holding movement because once you decide you are on target… the trigger reacts to your decision making effort. So if you are a slow methodical shooter… a slower trigger would hurt your shooting because you chase the X before the shot occurs. I do not believe a 1.5 pound trigger is not good in the brush or in combat because it gets caught up in foliage….. but shooting from a bench…. Your accuracy rate gets better because when the final decision in your brain connects the dots…. The bullet is gone and it surprises you every time….. having said all of this… it has to feel good to YOU and not through all this analysis. Any trigger brand beats MilSpec…. Fire other peoples weapons and find the trigger that makes your groups tighter… that is the pull and break that makes YOU accurate…. You are responsible for every bullet fired….
Some great info here. I primarily use the Geissele SSA and the LaRue MBT-2S triggers and love them both. I am less concerned with trigger pull weight or takeup, as opposed to the predictability and cleanness of the break. Tough thing to measure and compare objectively without additional instruments, but I always feel like I know exactly when the trigger is going to fire.
Bill Geissele explains why some triggers should have a carrot feel to the break on combat rifles as opposed to a glass break on a bolt action target rifle.
I have most of the triggers in this video. My favorite trigger hands down is the Triggertech Diamond, such a smooth crisp trigger. The Geissele SD-E is my second favorite
As a newbie to customizing, the close ups and showing of details really helped me understand how troggers function and what ive felt but never put into words. Thanks for the lesson
Everyone wants to focus on trigger weight at the break. That is fine, but you should also look at hammer strike power. Many trigger mfr's have great feeling triggers that don't hit hard enough. I like the Hiperfire triggers because they NEVER lack for hammer power. My Eclipse is fantastic. About 2.8 lbs, super short and consistent reset and I have zero issues when switching to something like steel cased ammo with those hard-assed Russian primers.
evernhamanderson agreed. One of the reasons I went to Velocity. You can order the heavier spring setup. I loved my Elftmans and they are fine in 5.56 applications, but i had about 10% light strikes on several 9mm Carbines. The Velocity ended that issue.
@@keats182 Steel is harder and of course that means a different level of wear and tear on any system. However, unless you are actively shooting 10's of thousands of rounds through the same weapon, you will likely never encounter any wear issues that are steel related. I was part of a test conducted with TULA ammo where they shot a new rifle to over 25000 rounds using nothing but steel cased ammo and compared it to a weapon that was fired using brass. The result? No appreciable difference between either weapon in terms of wear and tear.Remember, a mil spec weapon has a chromed chamber, bore and carrier. The chrome is harder than the steel case on the ammo. Of course, your ejector isn't chromed. But, I believe the actual wear issue you are referring to is the "extractor", not the ejector. The extractor has to climb over the case rim each time it closes and the additional hardness of the steel case makes people suspect that it will erode or even chip the pall on an extractor. I personally have not seen this issue, but it makes some amount of sense. However, keep in mind the amount of shooting you would need to do in order to experience any issues of this type is extremely high. Literally 10's of thousands of rounds. In my opinion, if there is an extractor issue using steel cased ammo, it was probably going to be an issue at some point anyway. The steel case just brings it to light earlier.
I've got several of the Hiperfire EDT line of triggers & have been very happy with them. Simplicity & reliability of a mil-spec trigger but the touch & performance of a much more complicated & expensive trigger.
Absolutely fantastic, this is, by far, the best video comparison out there! Thank you very much for all of your excellent analysis, detailed videography, graphs and informative presentation style; a huge amount of work but very much appreciated! Many thanks and warmest regards from the deepest rural UK
There is a reason why Geissele triggers are the most used triggers in 3 Gun competition. 3 Gun competition shooter like myself, along with Jerry, Clint, and more all use Geissele triggers. Two stage triggers with a 1.5 pound overall weight makes a world difference then a single stage, and the reset on a two stage is insane.
AWESOME VIdeos!! The three top triggers I have never seen reviewed head to head are the Hiperfire Eclipse, Triggertech Diamond, and AR Gold. I hear the AR Gold and Triggertech Diamond are extremely close but never seen them in comparison.
Yeah it is such a great trigger! So smooth and crisp. The take up allows for better accuracy. It gives you the anticipation required for accurate shots with the crisp break of a single stage trigger for fast shots!
I'm currently writing the parts list for my "forever" AR, and came here to look at different trigger options. I really appreciate what you've done in these videos. I've been writing it out and then reading the price later for each part, but I honestly think I'm going to go with the less expensive Rise Armament after seeing this. You, sir, have saved me some money.
@@TheMetalLife666 I have 2 of the LaRou triggers and a RA454 the RA is better and worth the extra spend IMHO. If your uses is the range mostly and self-defense as a last resort, I'd go with the RA. If you are using it as a self-defenses only rifle (police or private security) the LaRou is more forgiving of people who play with the trigger. Bottom line is keep your finger of the damn thing unless you are ready to shoot. I have a PPQ and it's trigger is not very forgiving to flinches. It will punish you with an ND if you screw around.
when the video is this informative i watch the commercials....thank you for saving me all the time and research! im buying the Rise Armament 535 to replace my factory trigger
I like single stage triggers. I did NOT like my Geissele SD 3G trigger. I loved the flat bow, but hated the hybrid two stage nature of it. I never bought another two stage trigger after that. I love my: 1) Hiperfire 24C. I dremel smoothed the slight seam on the plastic trigger shoe. LOVE it! 2) POF ENHANCED FINGER PLACEMENT DROP-IN TRIGGER. I took it apart and tweaked the spring to get a 3.5lb pull. HARD to reassemble, but I did it! This is a great trigger for big hands and long fingers. 3) CMC 3.5 lb flat trigger. Needed NOTHING! Well, almost. I installed some KNS anti walk pins.
@@bryandavis1204 They are smart. A LOT of people do like two stage triggers. I hate them! It is great to have choices. That is why I have built my own guns since 2008. I get them "My way". LOL
Thanks for the video. Nicely done. One bit of constructive criticism if I might. Change your setup on the trigger pull weight measurement sure that you engage the trigger at the exact same location vertically each time to avoid a change in leverage on the trigger. This should significantly reduce variability. 😁
It seems that you could use model paint or nail polish to pick a reference spot to engage the trigger pull gauges repeatably. This is one way that high power marksmen set up sights and scopes. The technique works well for me. I might add that I use an RCBS spring type gauge. It has a rubber tube, not a roller, as with the Lyman gauge. I find that the Lyman gauge is very difficult to reposition even on a curved trigger shoe. A set of metal weights and formed wire attachment are absolutely the best system that I ever saw for trigger pull measurement. These sets were universal when I was an active competitor in NRA High Power and CMP service rifle events. It was possible to process hundreds of marksmen before a match. I am thinking about Camp Perry and the National Matches now. CMP match directors probably will not allow flat trigger shoes. The part represents a "visible modification" to the service rifle. I have had to remove non-rotating trigger and hammer pins to qualify my service rifle. The restriction is clearly in the CMP rules -- as is trigger pull weight limits (#4.5 minimum).
Side note, I’ve the triggertech adjustable on all of my rifles be aware that if you adjust them down to one pound the state explicitly on the package that they’re not “drop safe”. If you’re looking for an amazing 0.8 pound trigger pull for a bolt action rifle. the new Huber Concepts two stage is amazing! To keep it drop safe it has a lot to take up. He makes a 1.5 pound that you can get in a single stage.
you need to establish a way to pull the trigger from a specific point on the trigger, e.g. from the dead center or very bottom. Your a pulling on a lever, the farther you are away from the the fulcrum the less weight it will take to move the trigger. Not putting the scale in the same spot accoutns for your variance in the trigger pull weights.
I have 2 Chip McMormick. One is the 3 gunner trigger at 2 1/2 lbs the other is 3 1/2 lbs triggers love them. A Rise Armament the 140 at 3 1/2 lbs, a JP Enterprise adjustable at 4 lbs you can adjust up take and reset. A Factory GI trigger I did some work on, I call it One stage of grit then it breaks at just over 4 lbs. All I did to it was take and 800 grit hone stone and take the coating off the mating surfaces. Thanks for the great videos.
I have a few triggers. The Rise 535 comp, larue tactical, velocity 4lbs and comp triggertech. The one i liked alot but gave me problems is the rise 535 trigger. Larue tactical is amazing for the price. Velocity is a really good trigger for the price. The triggertech is a really great trigger as well..
@@damiancarroll9618 i loved the trigger so much i bought 2. Now maybe its a hit or miss. The first trigger worked good but after a while it started to double or even tripple fire. The second trigger would do the same. Sometimes ill go for a shot and the hammer catch would not release. I replaced both triggers. I hope you have better luck. Its a fun trigger for sure.
@@omenchild06 OK hopefully it stays working correctly.ive done a lot of looking before I decided on this one honestly this was the first time I saw anything that said there was an issue. But honestly it has a life time guarantee so I'm not to worried. I am changing out my fostech echo trigger for the rise535
Fantastic video! My only suggestion would be to measure hammer strengths by measuring how hard each hammer is to pull back down. I'm often surprised people don't talk about hammer spring strengths, considering potential light strikes.
For accuracy he should also measure the lock time but pretty sure he doesn't have the equipt to do it. For people that like to go to the range and see how fast they can pull the trigger his tests should work.
Dude on the trigger tech it is literally a 2 stage trigger with the first stage being about 1/16" take up before the break. In my opinion it is not creep and I believe it even states it on the box. It just acts like a single stage in a way. I've had a lot of triggers over my life and triggertech, velocity are some of the best in the game. Velocity is the budget version of the timney but made by a previous partner of timney.
My GEISSELE B-G2S-E 2 STAGE TRIGGER IS AWESOME, I sense a bit of anti-geissele sentiment based on misunderstanding what a two stage trigger is supposed to do, you don't compare a 2 stage trigger creep to a 1 stage trigger.
Amazing job, these videos have helped me understand every verbal that affects trigger feel and operation. This has everything I need to make the best selection possible on my next trigger purchase. Thank you
I watched both videos several times and now I know what trigger I want. Thank you so much for the work you put in. I picked the Rise Armament RA-434. If I like it I'll put one in my Ruger SR-556. Thanks again
This format is so good. Because like you said there's different reasons why someone would go with one over another. For instance my bedside AR has an SSA in it for a reason as my DMR build has a triggertech adjustable (on recommend by your previous video and is also my favorite trigger) but I wouldn't swap them for the roles that they perform.
Out of all of the parts of an AR there is to review I like trigger reviews the most. I have all three of the Rise Armament triggers and they have always worked without any issues.
Cost is a big thing to look at. Triggers are a personal preference. If a heavy gritty milspec is the baseline. Then it is coming down to whether you prefer a single stage or two stage trigger. I have both and I guess I prefer the single stage. Though, when I talk with people who have been in combat and hear their opinions about why a two stage is preferable to them over a standard milspec. It makes sense. I have upgraded most of my Milspec triggers with BCM's polished enhanced single stage and added JP spring kits to them. One ALG which is basically identical to the BCM. I have a two stage from LMT on my LMT lower, nice trigger. And then a CMC curved 3.5 single stage. That is the one that feels the most like a hair trigger. That trigger shows me the most what the guys who have been in combat are talking about and why they prefer the two stage triggers from Geissele. I guess it comes down to what you believe you will be doing. Combat? tactical? bench shooting? 3 gun? I do like the guide that Geissele has come up with for their triggers, they define the usage of their different triggers. The drop in triggers.. There is nothing you can do to most of them to play with them. The standard triggers you can change springs if you so desire. I really don't get how this test should be telling people which one they should purchase. I usually try new things when I see them on sale. Any of those triggers would feel better than a milspec. Take into account the stresses you might incur and how pullweight could become a safety issue in a stressed environment. None of these aftermarket triggers are bad triggers, I doubt you could really go wrong with any of them.
LOVE THESE COMPARISONS!! I’ve used your videos to settle on the Elftmann match triggers for my two ARs. I had RISE in them before. For the money, the RISE are hard to beat. I just wanted the lightest pull for my two bench ARs. Thank you!
a 2 pound trigger is a bad idea unless its a bench gun. I have the SSA. In 3 gun with the flat trigger bow it startles me from time to time. I also like pre travel. Great video.
If the criteria for best AR trigger was creep ( or lack of ) clean break, quick and short reset, quality of materials and finally pull weight ( oh yeah, value) I would love to see you do and addendum to this video and add the Blackout Defense 3 lb drop in trigger. It does have the stability set screws that you weren’t fond of but I didn’t have too much trouble installing it. This trigger has zero creep, zero travel, crisp break, consistent 3lb pull and very short reset. Blackout Defense is an Aerospace company and the materials are of the highest quality. Price around $205.
The third times the charm! Great production value and video quality on this one. The whole trigger mechanism was in picture and the mm scale was right next to the trigger and in focus for accurate measurements. You did forget the safety for the Geissele again though for the pull weight test so I question the accuracy of the results. But overall I think you've nailed the format. You gotta keep doing these. I think you've got a winner here. P.S. One suggestion to make the pull weight tests more consistent may be to pick a standard distance from the trigger's pivot point to measure from each time. This will take any variation in leverage out of the equation. Thanks, keep up the great work.
I don't think the Geissele is really meant as a competitor to the rest of these. Geissele markets their triggers as being just as reliable as milspec, while being compatible with milspec springs. For my hard use, home defense, bet-my-life-on-it lower, I use Geissele SSA-E. For my competition and range lower, I use a Hipertouch Eclipse. As far as the S3G, Geissele states quite clearly that it's designed to feel like a single stage, not that it actually is one.
One of the best Geissele triggers was their BG-RF Rapid Fire trigger which was only offered through Brownell's exclusively. The BG-RF was a hybrid that broke like a single stage and reset like a double stage. Absolutely no creep, ultra-short reset and 2.8 to 2.9 trigger pull that was very similar to the US SOCOM 's Super Select Fire trigger system. This model was discontinued a few years back, but they were a real diamond in the rough.
So I picked up the Rise Armament RA-535 for $99.95 (Normally $229.95) at AIM Surplus in Monroe Ohio on a in store only special this week so I am pretty happy about it at that price. Won't get to shoot it until next weekend but I will let you know. They currently have it on sale online for $172.46 according to their website for anyone who is interested.
Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to do these reviews! I know it is a TON of work! I had a Geissele SD-E two stage in a precision AR. Had too much creep for what it cost. Had a Hiperfire 24C. It was amazing. Sold it to a buddy who wanted to use it for 3-gun. I just ordered a Timney Calvin Elite. I'm going to run it for a while, but may do another build with the Hiperfire Eclipse. The higher end Hiperfires are much cleaner than the Genesis.
No problem man. Thanks for watching. I've had a TON of requests to review the Calvin Elite. That might have to be included in part 4. I've also had some feedback that this Hiperfire isn't necessarily the best one and that I should review the Eclipse or Reflex. Also lots of folks asking for the ATC Gold. Lot's of good options for another version of this series.
Triggertech diamond and atc gold would be solid choices for Harleys next review. The thing that's great but also sucks about triggers is its so damn subjective. It really makes finding one each person will like hard without trying one in someone else's rifle or pistol. It sucks to bite the bullet and buy a trigger you may end up hating even after watching videos. Some of them cost good amounts to only be stuck with something you have to either sell or just throw in a drawer. In my opinion there are good reasons to use a Geissele over others, durability, safety and repeatability and in the off chance a primer did manage to fall back into the trigger assembly, you can get get it out. It will stop a cassette from working because the cassette designs make a good portion of them, unable to be take apart to get the primer out of the assembly. For a defense rifle that's a big negative. I also really appreciate that Geissele use full power springs for reliability. Lastly their hammer design how it hits in the sweet spot which aids in repeatability for accuracy. For me, my cassette trigger of choice is ATC gold and Triggertech diamond, followed by RA-434 if I wanted a cheaper budget cassette. I dont dislike elftmann either but prefer gold and diamond in the premium price cassette market.
Just put a Hiperfire EDT Sharp Shooter in my Bushmaster and used the 4 1/2lb spring. To me a really good upgrade from the mil-spec, this is my first trigger upgrade. Like to see a test on those EDTs from Hiperfire to know the actual numbers. BTW, excellent informative videos 👍👍
I have the RA-140s in a couple of lowers, you might also look to upgrade those to the ERT--it gives you the capability of locking the unit down against the bottom of the trigger pocket. Even better and still wildly inexpensive!
I enjoyed this video as much as your first, great content. I'd love to see the Lantac ECT-1 trigger in your next round, and see how it stacks up in an overcrowded market.
a short piece of tight tubing or an "O" ring on the trigger can eliminate trigger leverage variations by having the gauge and trigger interact the same on each test.
I would love to see a video like this one with AK triggers, this is the most in depth display of different triggers that I've seen and would love to see it in another platform.
I will still go with Giessele. I have at least 10 of his triggers: SSA, SSA-E, SD, SD-E, Super SCAR, etc. They're not easy to install but they are outstanding. Whether 1 or 2 stage, they're all top drawer.
@Ninemili.9 been fantastic for reliability for sure 100% now I am not sure as its been a minute since I bought it but it does have some minor take up before it breaks. It's definitely not like my trigger tech diamond but it's damn good. This is post a good bit of rounds down range. Best of luck. That's about as honest as I can be. Good luck
Great job at picking a variety of triggers from multiple price points. I found that very refreshing and I found this video just in time for my next 2 builds!!
@@jaykapur9588 I put the giessle sap on a pistol just for home defense. Got an sg3g on a rifle 4.5 lb best of both worlds IMO for a rifle single stage isn’t as good. I would like the hybrid I have or 2 stage if I’m going to shoot long range shots with.
For repeatability, you should consider using a stand-off for pulling the trigger, so that each pull is done at the same distance from the base or the tip of the trigger. Since a trigger is a lever, the position of the gauge contact on the trigger will give different pull weights if the position isn't consistent.
Would like to see you include the triggers from aim surplus and the rise armement 140 and 240 triggers. Awesome videos been very helpful thanks for making
Thanks for your efforts. This saved me much trial and error in settling on a trigger for my 308 build. I just ordered the Rise Armorment 535 as it fits my needs. I am looking for a slight pre-travel to match up with the 1 mm pretravel in my Franklin Armory Binary trigger in my 556. I also used your HARLEYWOOD code at MSR arms to order the trigger and few other things for my 308 build.
If you're building a 'fighting' rifle, I'd stick with a mil-spec trigger from PSA, CMMG, M&P, or other major manufacturers. You can find entire lower build kits for about $60. They are all the same, just put in different packaging. You can upgrade kits by buying spring replacement kits, but that's the most I would upgrade on a battle rifle. Save money there to get better optics or furniture.
First time I've found you. Subscribed. (rare on first video for me) I don't know the other folks here, but longer run time on a video is not an issue for me, when presenting solid, useful info.
I have two out the reviewed but I have to say my POF 4.5 drop in often overlooked or not even mentioned. It is easily one of the best triggers out there for the money.
@@asdfghjk2933 oh nice a 2.5 2nd stage. Not as good as the geissele 1.75 2nd stage, or the hipertouch 2 single pull. But it is decently priced. Looks like the 2 stage laru is 118 and the heavy single pull one is 89 i think. Back when they first released the 2 stage larue it was laughably 250 haha. terrible for that price turf. the larue mbt 1 is their shitty one at 89. It has a 5.5 or 6.5 pull weight and is basically just a milspec with less creep, similar to a stock lwrc or stock daniel defense trigger pull. They are basically home defense duty triggers and I'd honestly just leave a stock milspec or get a strike industries 4.5 pound trigger
@@jason200912 It may be slightly heavier than the geissele 2nd stage, but the break is just as crisp, if not even crisper. Shorter reset too. I agree though, the mbt-1 is pretty garbage. Idk if Larue was going for a polished milspec or something closer to a Geissele SSP, but that trigger has so much creep despite being barely and lighter than milspec. Pass.
The Hiperfire genesis is close to the bottom end of their line of competition triggers, next time try the eclipse. Also I’ve used these triggers for some time now and the hiperfires are by far the best triggers to tune, I got the genesis to an incredible 1.3 pound trigger pull. So for all you precision shooters out there the hiperfires are incredible options. And also before I get hate for spelling hyper with an I that’s how hiperfire spells it 😂
So glad you decided to only compare single stage triggers with each other. I love both single stage and two stage triggers but I hate every time some RUclipsr compares single stage with two stage, it isn't an apples to apples test when you do that.
Please review the LaRue MBT two-stage trigger, it sells for $80, $70 if you buy 5, I think that it is a fantastic trigger, many would agree, but I think that it would be a great addition to your comparison reviews!
Stumbled across this channel, great break down, especially watching the internals as the trigger being pulled. I would ask one thing be added to this which is the "HAMMER STRIKE", many competition triggers suffer from light "HAMMER STRIKE" or light primer strike which can cause many problems for anyone using Military ammo or other bulk ammo. p.s. would love to see the "BEST" triggers of each brand especially of those offered today. Thank you for a great presentation!
I have the Hiperfire Reflex Trigger.. it's a curved trigger like the Genesis but there is zero and I mean zero creep in my trigger 220$ and it has a shoe you can adjust.. 2 lbs 6 oz with the shoe for a higher pull on the trigger. Or go with no shoe and it's just under 2lbs. It's got a quick reset and the hardest hammer in the business.. get a hiperfire reflex or eclipse... No doubt. Dont look back!!! HIPERFIRE!!!
Trigger selection is a totally personal choice as long as the crispness of the pull is good and taste are considered. Personally, I like the Gisselle two stage trigger mainly because it drastically reduces anticipation of firing and recoil. This feature allows the shooter to know exactly when the rifle will fire which reduces or eliminates jerking, eye closure, and pulling of the firearm in anticipation - it allows for much more accuracy, and at longer distances can mean success or failure.
I love my Geissele SSA-E in my LR-308 for this very reason. The first stage is basically my index, once I feel that first resistance of at the end of the first stage I know exactly how pressure is needed to overcome it; nice pause spot for any last moment adjustment in aim or breathing.
My mil-spec trigger in my Radical Arms AR is fantastic. There is zero pre-travel, an immediate break, and approximately a 2mm reset. It is on the heavy side, but to me it's a non issue. I definitely can't justify changing it.
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Harley your a he'll of a man. A gentleman , hard working, extremely though. Luv the paperweight the mils. Please keep bringing da heat brother. You have to be though with these clowns. It's always the joksters that can't shoot a lick. I know you can. When you dad from 69 still hold 2 world records to date texas us open open 198 of200 with rem 1100 long barrel fir trap slap in the short and ROCK SKEET another world record do I can smell a marksman. Warmest regards. Happy hunting brother...
As someone else has mentioned. The TriggerTech is a 2 stage trigger with the 1st stage rated at 0.75lbs. And the 2nd stage rated at 2.75lbs (total of 3.5lbs). I have the competition on my AR and love it.
What model number is your trigger? TIA
They have single stage and two stage and have for almost 3 years.
@@curtisneill2007they do have both, but the one tested is a 2 stage
i’m just here to share my appreciation for having the correct names over the corresponding triggers in the thumbnail.. 90% of the time people have it all ass backwards.
Damn. One of the best comparison videos on triggers I have ever seen. Outstanding. Thank you for that detail.
Really liked the addition of the measurement behind the triggers for the take-up, break and reset
Man, I’d love to see an update to this video! So many new fantastic triggers on the market. Let’s go for Episode 4!
We mere mortals don’t have a bunch of money to upgrade a trigger ten times to get a better feel. I grew up shooting a military trigger and was deadly accurate and never came in second in a gunfight….. I will simply say this…. A crisper trigger with less pound pull feels great and takes out all the breathing movement and holding movement because once you decide you are on target… the trigger reacts to your decision making effort. So if you are a slow methodical shooter… a slower trigger would hurt your shooting because you chase the X before the shot occurs. I do not believe a 1.5 pound trigger is not good in the brush or in combat because it gets caught up in foliage….. but shooting from a bench…. Your accuracy rate gets better because when the final decision in your brain connects the dots…. The bullet is gone and it surprises you every time….. having said all of this… it has to feel good to YOU and not through all this analysis. Any trigger brand beats MilSpec…. Fire other peoples weapons and find the trigger that makes your groups tighter… that is the pull and break that makes YOU accurate…. You are responsible for every bullet fired….
Some great info here. I primarily use the Geissele SSA and the LaRue MBT-2S triggers and love them both. I am less concerned with trigger pull weight or takeup, as opposed to the predictability and cleanness of the break. Tough thing to measure and compare objectively without additional instruments, but I always feel like I know exactly when the trigger is going to fire.
Bill Geissele explains why some triggers should have a carrot feel to the break on combat rifles as opposed to a glass break on a bolt action target rifle.
I bought 3 TT triggers after watching this. 1 adjustable and 2 competition. Love them all!
I have most of the triggers in this video. My favorite trigger hands down is the Triggertech Diamond, such a smooth crisp trigger. The Geissele SD-E is my second favorite
What would you recommend for a mid priced flat faced trigger
@@marcpodolski3366 I'd personally go with the Larue MBT flat trigger. And they have single and 2 stage so you can pick your preference
@@marcpodolski3366 it's a decent trigger thats about $110/$125. Cheaper if you can find a sale or something
As a newbie to customizing, the close ups and showing of details really helped me understand how troggers function and what ive felt but never put into words. Thanks for the lesson
Everyone wants to focus on trigger weight at the break. That is fine, but you should also look at hammer strike power. Many trigger mfr's have great feeling triggers that don't hit hard enough. I like the Hiperfire triggers because they NEVER lack for hammer power. My Eclipse is fantastic. About 2.8 lbs, super short and consistent reset and I have zero issues when switching to something like steel cased ammo with those hard-assed Russian primers.
evernhamanderson agreed. One of the reasons I went to Velocity. You can order the heavier spring setup. I loved my Elftmans and they are fine in 5.56 applications, but i had about 10% light strikes on several 9mm Carbines. The Velocity ended that issue.
Is that why everyone says not to use steel case with AR's? I thought it was because the steel is hard on the ejector.
@@keats182 Steel is harder and of course that means a different level of wear and tear on any system. However, unless you are actively shooting 10's of thousands of rounds through the same weapon, you will likely never encounter any wear issues that are steel related. I was part of a test conducted with TULA ammo where they shot a new rifle to over 25000 rounds using nothing but steel cased ammo and compared it to a weapon that was fired using brass. The result? No appreciable difference between either weapon in terms of wear and tear.Remember, a mil spec weapon has a chromed chamber, bore and carrier. The chrome is harder than the steel case on the ammo.
Of course, your ejector isn't chromed. But, I believe the actual wear issue you are referring to is the "extractor", not the ejector. The extractor has to climb over the case rim each time it closes and the additional hardness of the steel case makes people suspect that it will erode or even chip the pall on an extractor. I personally have not seen this issue, but it makes some amount of sense. However, keep in mind the amount of shooting you would need to do in order to experience any issues of this type is extremely high. Literally 10's of thousands of rounds.
In my opinion, if there is an extractor issue using steel cased ammo, it was probably going to be an issue at some point anyway. The steel case just brings it to light earlier.
I've got several of the Hiperfire EDT line of triggers & have been very happy with them. Simplicity & reliability of a mil-spec trigger but the touch & performance of a much more complicated & expensive trigger.
Thank you this is not only what I was looking for but you actually surpassed what I was looking for.
Absolutely fantastic, this is, by far, the best video comparison out there! Thank you very much for all of your excellent analysis, detailed videography, graphs and informative presentation style; a huge amount of work but very much appreciated!
Many thanks and warmest regards from the deepest rural UK
Really nicely done. Easy to see everything.
I use LaRue and binary exclusively. Of course I do trigger jobs on all of them, and a good polish.
There is a reason why Geissele triggers are the most used triggers in 3 Gun competition. 3 Gun competition shooter like myself, along with Jerry, Clint, and more all use Geissele triggers. Two stage triggers with a 1.5 pound overall weight makes a world difference then a single stage, and the reset on a two stage is insane.
Jerry uses whatever trigger is currently sponsoring him. He has used AR Gold and Mossberg JM triggers, too.
The bias is strong when folks overpay.
Just bought a tricon. Everywhere else they love it.
That safety is awesome, a peace sign and scull and crossbones.
AWESOME VIdeos!! The three top triggers I have never seen reviewed head to head are the Hiperfire Eclipse, Triggertech Diamond, and AR Gold. I hear the AR Gold and Triggertech Diamond are extremely close but never seen them in comparison.
I agree with this list and would add in the Timney Calvin Elite. Those are probably the "best" triggers currently on the market. Oh, and the JP.
These are all the best of the best, but for different reasons. AR Gold/TT Diamond for precision, and Hiperfire Eclipse for pure speed.
Nice video! The Trigger Tech is a 2 stage trigger with a 0.75lb first stage. That is why is has that “play” before you hit the wall.
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Yeah it is such a great trigger! So smooth and crisp. The take up allows for better accuracy. It gives you the anticipation required for accurate shots with the crisp break of a single stage trigger for fast shots!
FYI: The TriggerTech is more of a two stage trigger and you only get that additional mm of travel I’d you let off completely so it’s a moot point.
I'm currently writing the parts list for my "forever" AR, and came here to look at different trigger options. I really appreciate what you've done in these videos. I've been writing it out and then reading the price later for each part, but I honestly think I'm going to go with the less expensive Rise Armament after seeing this. You, sir, have saved me some money.
LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Flat trigger. Under $100 shipped. 3.5lb trigger pull. Crisp break. Can’t beat it!
@@TheMetalLife666 I have 2 of the LaRou triggers and a RA454 the RA is better and worth the extra spend IMHO. If your uses is the range mostly and self-defense as a last resort, I'd go with the RA. If you are using it as a self-defenses only rifle (police or private security) the LaRou is more forgiving of people who play with the trigger.
Bottom line is keep your finger of the damn thing unless you are ready to shoot. I have a PPQ and it's trigger is not very forgiving to flinches. It will punish you with an ND if you screw around.
when the video is this informative i watch the commercials....thank you for saving me all the time and research! im buying the Rise Armament 535 to replace my factory trigger
I love it bro, you will too, plus it looks dope😂
I have the 535's in three of my rifles, and no regrets.
Elftmann Triggers are on all my AR's. Absolutely luv' em.
I like single stage triggers. I did NOT like my Geissele SD 3G trigger. I loved the flat bow, but hated the hybrid two stage nature of it. I never bought another two stage trigger after that.
I love my:
1) Hiperfire 24C. I dremel smoothed the slight seam on the plastic trigger shoe. LOVE it!
2) POF ENHANCED FINGER PLACEMENT DROP-IN TRIGGER. I took it apart and tweaked the spring to get a 3.5lb pull. HARD to reassemble, but I did it! This is a great trigger for big hands and long fingers.
3) CMC 3.5 lb flat trigger. Needed NOTHING! Well, almost. I installed some KNS anti walk pins.
I like single stage myself, but Hiperfire does have a whole line of 2 stage now!!!
@@bryandavis1204
They are smart. A LOT of people do like two stage triggers. I hate them! It is great to have choices. That is why I have built my own guns since 2008. I get them "My way". LOL
This is one of the best trigger reviews I have ever seen. Very in depth analysis. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the video. Nicely done. One bit of constructive criticism if I might. Change your setup on the trigger pull weight measurement sure that you engage the trigger at the exact same location vertically each time to avoid a change in leverage on the trigger. This should significantly reduce variability. 😁
This^
Was exactly my thought, but you covered it hah
It seems that you could use model paint or nail polish to pick a reference spot to engage the trigger pull gauges repeatably. This is one way that high power marksmen set up sights and scopes. The technique works well for me. I might add that I use an RCBS spring type gauge. It has a rubber tube, not a roller, as with the Lyman gauge. I find that the Lyman gauge is very difficult to reposition even on a curved trigger shoe. A set of metal weights and formed wire attachment are absolutely the best system that I ever saw for trigger pull measurement. These sets were universal when I was an active competitor in NRA High Power and CMP service rifle events. It was possible to process hundreds of marksmen before a match. I am thinking about Camp Perry and the National Matches now. CMP match directors probably will not allow flat trigger shoes. The part represents a "visible modification" to the service rifle. I have had to remove non-rotating trigger and hammer pins to qualify my service rifle. The restriction is clearly in the CMP rules -- as is trigger pull weight limits (#4.5 minimum).
Watching this calmed me down. Just the thorough, mindful process and display of research.
Ciento percento effort
What a great video!! Thanks for schooling this AR noob! I've been needing a video like this. The one before this was also very informative and helpful
Side note, I’ve the triggertech adjustable on all of my rifles be aware that if you adjust them down to one pound the state explicitly on the package that they’re not “drop safe”.
If you’re looking for an amazing 0.8 pound trigger pull for a bolt action rifle. the new Huber Concepts two stage is amazing! To keep it drop safe it has a lot to take up. He makes a 1.5 pound that you can get in a single stage.
you need to establish a way to pull the trigger from a specific point on the trigger, e.g. from the dead center or very bottom. Your a pulling on a lever, the farther you are away from the the fulcrum the less weight it will take to move the trigger. Not putting the scale in the same spot accoutns for your variance in the trigger pull weights.
Second that, needs to have a consistent point of contact or the measurements are close to being useless
I have 2 Chip McMormick. One is the 3 gunner trigger at 2 1/2 lbs the other is 3 1/2 lbs triggers love them. A Rise Armament the 140 at 3 1/2 lbs, a JP Enterprise adjustable at 4 lbs you can adjust up take and reset. A Factory GI trigger I did some work on, I call it One stage of grit then it breaks at just over 4 lbs. All I did to it was take and 800 grit hone stone and take the coating off the mating surfaces. Thanks for the great videos.
I have a few triggers. The Rise 535 comp, larue tactical, velocity 4lbs and comp triggertech. The one i liked alot but gave me problems is the rise 535 trigger. Larue tactical is amazing for the price. Velocity is a really good trigger for the price. The triggertech is a really great trigger as well..
What issues did you have with the rise 535 trigger I just ordered one for my Daniel Defense m4v7 pro.
@@damiancarroll9618 i loved the trigger so much i bought 2. Now maybe its a hit or miss. The first trigger worked good but after a while it started to double or even tripple fire. The second trigger would do the same. Sometimes ill go for a shot and the hammer catch would not release. I replaced both triggers. I hope you have better luck. Its a fun trigger for sure.
@@omenchild06 OK hopefully it stays working correctly.ive done a lot of looking before I decided on this one honestly this was the first time I saw anything that said there was an issue. But honestly it has a life time guarantee so I'm not to worried. I am changing out my fostech echo trigger for the rise535
Fantastic video!
My only suggestion would be to measure hammer strengths by measuring how hard each hammer is to pull back down.
I'm often surprised people don't talk about hammer spring strengths, considering potential light strikes.
I think hammer mass is also a factor in causing or preventing light strikes.
For accuracy he should also measure the lock time but pretty sure he doesn't have the equipt to do it. For people that like to go to the range and see how fast they can pull the trigger his tests should work.
Dude on the trigger tech it is literally a 2 stage trigger with the first stage being about 1/16" take up before the break. In my opinion it is not creep and I believe it even states it on the box. It just acts like a single stage in a way. I've had a lot of triggers over my life and triggertech, velocity are some of the best in the game. Velocity is the budget version of the timney but made by a previous partner of timney.
Adam Rose I agree I have several Elftmans but I have moved to Velocity now. For the price they are just the best option IMO. 👍🏼
My GEISSELE B-G2S-E 2 STAGE TRIGGER IS AWESOME, I sense a bit of anti-geissele sentiment based on misunderstanding what a two stage trigger is supposed to do, you don't compare a 2 stage trigger creep to a 1 stage trigger.
Amazing job, these videos have helped me understand every verbal that affects trigger feel and operation. This has everything I need to make the best selection possible on my next trigger purchase. Thank you
I watched both videos several times and now I know what trigger I want. Thank you so much for the work you put in. I picked the Rise Armament RA-434. If I like it I'll put one in my Ruger SR-556. Thanks again
Todd Baker
You’ll love it. Thanks for watching
God damn, this video's detail and quality are top notch. First time seeing any video and an instant sub, keep it up
This format is so good. Because like you said there's different reasons why someone would go with one over another. For instance my bedside AR has an SSA in it for a reason as my DMR build has a triggertech adjustable (on recommend by your previous video and is also my favorite trigger) but I wouldn't swap them for the roles that they perform.
Out of all of the parts of an AR there is to review I like trigger reviews the most. I have all three of the Rise Armament triggers and they have always worked without any issues.
Did you see part 2 of this series? I was highly impressed with the RA-434.
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I love this type of comparison... there always is personal preference but this really broke down the numbers
Cost is a big thing to look at. Triggers are a personal preference. If a heavy gritty milspec is the baseline. Then it is coming down to whether you prefer a single stage or two stage trigger. I have both and I guess I prefer the single stage. Though, when I talk with people who have been in combat and hear their opinions about why a two stage is preferable to them over a standard milspec. It makes sense. I have upgraded most of my Milspec triggers with BCM's polished enhanced single stage and added JP spring kits to them. One ALG which is basically identical to the BCM. I have a two stage from LMT on my LMT lower, nice trigger. And then a CMC curved 3.5 single stage. That is the one that feels the most like a hair trigger. That trigger shows me the most what the guys who have been in combat are talking about and why they prefer the two stage triggers from Geissele. I guess it comes down to what you believe you will be doing. Combat? tactical? bench shooting? 3 gun? I do like the guide that Geissele has come up with for their triggers, they define the usage of their different triggers. The drop in triggers.. There is nothing you can do to most of them to play with them. The standard triggers you can change springs if you so desire. I really don't get how this test should be telling people which one they should purchase. I usually try new things when I see them on sale. Any of those triggers would feel better than a milspec. Take into account the stresses you might incur and how pullweight could become a safety issue in a stressed environment. None of these aftermarket triggers are bad triggers, I doubt you could really go wrong with any of them.
LOVE THESE COMPARISONS!! I’ve used your videos to settle on the Elftmann match triggers for my two ARs. I had RISE in them before. For the money, the RISE are hard to beat. I just wanted the lightest pull for my two bench ARs. Thank you!
Blackout zero?
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New to ARs and wanted to understand more of how the trigger works. Video really helped me out. Thank you!
very welcome. thanks for watching
Most scientific trigger group review i have ever seen. Thank you. Subbed.
a 2 pound trigger is a bad idea unless its a bench gun. I have the SSA. In 3 gun with the flat trigger bow it startles me from time to time. I also like pre travel. Great video.
LOVE my Triggertechs....Elftman is my 2nd fave.
If the criteria for best AR trigger was creep ( or lack of ) clean break, quick and short reset, quality of materials and finally pull weight ( oh yeah, value) I would love to see you do and addendum to this video and add the Blackout Defense 3 lb drop in trigger. It does have the stability set screws that you weren’t fond of but I didn’t have too much trouble installing it. This trigger has zero creep, zero travel, crisp break, consistent 3lb pull and very short reset.
Blackout Defense is an Aerospace company and the materials are of the highest quality. Price around $205.
The triggertech is designed to be somewhat of a two stage, that’s why it has the “creep” before it hits the wall on the trigger
It's ok on a 2 pound if you know when it's going to go off,, and the reset looks good
I have both a a Hiperfire and a POF 4.5lb trigger. POF is a far crisper trigger, but the thin hammer spring is my only worry.
The information, the demonstration, the execution and explanations, all of it was great! Really really good content, thank you!
thanks Steven. Appreciate you watching.
I have a Elftmann AR9 drop in trigger installed on my shorty pcc and I love it, smooth, crisp, not much travel at all. Love em.
PSA has a new trigger two stage id love to see tested! Having a drop safe design like the elf is very nice to have as well.
The third times the charm! Great production value and video quality on this one. The whole trigger mechanism was in picture and the mm scale was right next to the trigger and in focus for accurate measurements. You did forget the safety for the Geissele again though for the pull weight test so I question the accuracy of the results. But overall I think you've nailed the format. You gotta keep doing these. I think you've got a winner here. P.S. One suggestion to make the pull weight tests more consistent may be to pick a standard distance from the trigger's pivot point to measure from each time. This will take any variation in leverage out of the equation. Thanks, keep up the great work.
I don't think the Geissele is really meant as a competitor to the rest of these. Geissele markets their triggers as being just as reliable as milspec, while being compatible with milspec springs. For my hard use, home defense, bet-my-life-on-it lower, I use Geissele SSA-E. For my competition and range lower, I use a Hipertouch Eclipse.
As far as the S3G, Geissele states quite clearly that it's designed to feel like a single stage, not that it actually is one.
One of the best Geissele triggers was their BG-RF Rapid Fire trigger which was only offered through Brownell's exclusively. The BG-RF was a hybrid that broke like a single stage and reset like a double stage. Absolutely no creep, ultra-short reset and 2.8 to 2.9 trigger pull that was very similar to the US SOCOM 's Super Select Fire trigger system. This model was discontinued a few years back, but they were a real diamond in the rough.
So I picked up the Rise Armament RA-535 for $99.95 (Normally $229.95) at AIM Surplus in Monroe Ohio on a in store only special this week so I am pretty happy about it at that price. Won't get to shoot it until next weekend but I will let you know. They currently have it on sale online for $172.46 according to their website for anyone who is interested.
Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to do these reviews! I know it is a TON of work!
I had a Geissele SD-E two stage in a precision AR. Had too much creep for what it cost. Had a Hiperfire 24C. It was amazing. Sold it to a buddy who wanted to use it for 3-gun.
I just ordered a Timney Calvin Elite. I'm going to run it for a while, but may do another build with the Hiperfire Eclipse. The higher end Hiperfires are much cleaner than the Genesis.
No problem man. Thanks for watching. I've had a TON of requests to review the Calvin Elite. That might have to be included in part 4. I've also had some feedback that this Hiperfire isn't necessarily the best one and that I should review the Eclipse or Reflex. Also lots of folks asking for the ATC Gold. Lot's of good options for another version of this series.
Triggertech diamond and atc gold would be solid choices for Harleys next review.
The thing that's great but also sucks about triggers is its so damn subjective. It really makes finding one each person will like hard without trying one in someone else's rifle or pistol. It sucks to bite the bullet and buy a trigger you may end up hating even after watching videos. Some of them cost good amounts to only be stuck with something you have to either sell or just throw in a drawer.
In my opinion there are good reasons to use a Geissele over others, durability, safety and repeatability and in the off chance a primer did manage to fall back into the trigger assembly, you can get get it out. It will stop a cassette from working because the cassette designs make a good portion of them, unable to be take apart to get the primer out of the assembly. For a defense rifle that's a big negative. I also really appreciate that Geissele use full power springs for reliability. Lastly their hammer design how it hits in the sweet spot which aids in repeatability for accuracy.
For me, my cassette trigger of choice is ATC gold and Triggertech diamond, followed by RA-434 if I wanted a cheaper budget cassette. I dont dislike elftmann either but prefer gold and diamond in the premium price cassette market.
A trigger review that provides actual information where it can. thank you for this.
Just put a Hiperfire EDT Sharp Shooter in my Bushmaster and used the 4 1/2lb spring. To me a really good upgrade from the mil-spec, this is my first trigger upgrade. Like to see a test on those EDTs from Hiperfire to know the actual numbers. BTW, excellent informative videos 👍👍
I like the boron coated two stage triggers. They are reliable and not too light and inexpensive compared to many.
Go for 4. How about a Larue tactical. I just ordered flat now 2 stage $90
I’m keeping a list 👍🏻
FINALLY! I literally just came here to write this. I have two! Gonna be 4 once I finish my other AR builds! Best triggers around I think!
I love my larue tactical,try polishing even smoother.
Would like to see how that stacks up.
@@HarleyWood23 Great review! If you're keeping a list I'd love to get your thoughts on the ATC Gold trigger.
I really like the RA-535
It took me a while to break down and buy an aftermarket trigger. I'm glad I went the the 535
I put a Timney Impact in my gat; I haven't taken it to the range yet, but I'm quite keen to see what difference it makes.
I have two RA-140s, both in an AR-10. They are great triggers. My other builds are Mil Spec, a mix of CMMG and Anderson LPKs.
I have the RA-140s in a couple of lowers, you might also look to upgrade those to the ERT--it gives you the capability of locking the unit down against the bottom of the trigger pocket. Even better and still wildly inexpensive!
Stern defense H2S, Timney impact, and Rise armaments blitz for a budget trigger comparison?
I have the same trigger system, it does the same thing; a little take up then a smooth release. I have two, love them!
I enjoyed this video as much as your first, great content. I'd love to see the Lantac ECT-1 trigger in your next round, and see how it stacks up in an overcrowded market.
a short piece of tight tubing or an "O" ring on the trigger can eliminate trigger leverage variations by having the gauge and trigger interact the same on each test.
I would love to see a video like this one with AK triggers, this is the most in depth display of different triggers that I've seen and would love to see it in another platform.
AK trigger is fine. If you need to look at six different triggers then AK is probably not for you. IMHO
The only review that makes trigger purchase super easy, an excellent review 5 on 5.
I will still go with Giessele. I have at least 10 of his triggers: SSA, SSA-E, SD, SD-E, Super SCAR, etc. They're not easy to install but they are outstanding. Whether 1 or 2 stage, they're all top drawer.
I use triggertech 2 stage duty 5.5lbs triggers..I hunt, and use my ar15 for home defense too.. light triggers are dangerous for home defense..
How do you like it, not too heavy.?
Got the Rise A 535 and it's the best AR trigger I have used in this platform. Been through a lot of different ones but the 535 is my favorite by far
how’s it holding up? im debating on grabbing one
@Ninemili.9 been fantastic for reliability for sure 100% now I am not sure as its been a minute since I bought it but it does have some minor take up before it breaks. It's definitely not like my trigger tech diamond but it's damn good. This is post a good bit of rounds down range. Best of luck. That's about as honest as I can be. Good luck
Great job at picking a variety of triggers from multiple price points. I found that very refreshing and I found this video just in time for my next 2 builds!!
Geissele is the only trigger I trust in this review on a fighting rifle used and abused by military and is built to be bomb proof
I like my geissele too, but Hyperfire's competition triggers will shock you with how nice they are.
Love my geissele
@@jaykapur9588 I put the giessle sap on a pistol just for home defense. Got an sg3g on a rifle 4.5 lb best of both worlds IMO for a rifle single stage isn’t as good. I would like the hybrid I have or 2 stage if I’m going to shoot long range shots with.
For repeatability, you should consider using a stand-off for pulling the trigger, so that each pull is done at the same distance from the base or the tip of the trigger. Since a trigger is a lever, the position of the gauge contact on the trigger will give different pull weights if the position isn't consistent.
Would like to see you include the triggers from aim surplus and the rise armement 140 and 240 triggers. Awesome videos been very helpful thanks for making
I run the Hiperfire 24C. It's strictly a competition trigger. I love mine.
MUCH better trigger than the Genesis.
@@@jameslovesjammie LOL!
the genesis
IS the 24c,
just with a fancy new name!
Thanks for your efforts. This saved me much trial and error in settling on a trigger for my 308 build. I just ordered the Rise Armorment 535 as it fits my needs. I am looking for a slight pre-travel to match up with the 1 mm pretravel in my Franklin Armory Binary trigger in my 556. I also used your HARLEYWOOD code at MSR arms to order the trigger and few other things for my 308 build.
Hey brother, I really like how you've done this video! Great job!
Would love to see how hard each trigger's hammer falls. Very important in selecting a fighting rifle's trigger.
If you're building a 'fighting' rifle, I'd stick with a mil-spec trigger from PSA, CMMG, M&P, or other major manufacturers. You can find entire lower build kits for about $60. They are all the same, just put in different packaging. You can upgrade kits by buying spring replacement kits, but that's the most I would upgrade on a battle rifle. Save money there to get better optics or furniture.
First time I've found you. Subscribed. (rare on first video for me) I don't know the other folks here, but longer run time on a video is not an issue for me, when presenting solid, useful info.
To me the elftmann looks like it is the best out of these. Would like to see Timny in here.
I have two out the reviewed but I have to say my POF 4.5 drop in often overlooked or not even mentioned. It is easily one of the best triggers out there for the money.
I agree.
Next time add the LaRu trigger. At $89.00 its every bit as good as the Giessele at a fraction of the price.
@John Beige directly from larue I like the mbt2
isn't that basically just a raced up mil spec pull
@@jason200912 It's a two stage trigger similar to the SSA-E.
@@asdfghjk2933 oh nice a 2.5 2nd stage. Not as good as the geissele 1.75 2nd stage, or the hipertouch 2 single pull. But it is decently priced.
Looks like the 2 stage laru is 118 and the heavy single pull one is 89 i think. Back when they first released the 2 stage larue it was laughably 250 haha. terrible for that price turf.
the larue mbt 1 is their shitty one at 89. It has a 5.5 or 6.5 pull weight and is basically just a milspec with less creep, similar to a stock lwrc or stock daniel defense trigger pull. They are basically home defense duty triggers and I'd honestly just leave a stock milspec or get a strike industries 4.5 pound trigger
@@jason200912 It may be slightly heavier than the geissele 2nd stage, but the break is just as crisp, if not even crisper. Shorter reset too. I agree though, the mbt-1 is pretty garbage. Idk if Larue was going for a polished milspec or something closer to a Geissele SSP, but that trigger has so much creep despite being barely and lighter than milspec. Pass.
Watched it several times ..... Great information ! Keep up the good work
The Hiperfire genesis is close to the bottom end of their line of competition triggers, next time try the eclipse. Also I’ve used these triggers for some time now and the hiperfires are by far the best triggers to tune, I got the genesis to an incredible 1.3 pound trigger pull. So for all you precision shooters out there the hiperfires are incredible options. And also before I get hate for spelling hyper with an I that’s how hiperfire spells it 😂
So glad you decided to only compare single stage triggers with each other. I love both single stage and two stage triggers but I hate every time some RUclipsr compares single stage with two stage, it isn't an apples to apples test when you do that.
Fantastic review! I appreciate the scientific approach.
Please review the LaRue MBT two-stage trigger, it sells for $80, $70 if you buy 5, I think that it is a fantastic trigger, many would agree, but I think that it would be a great addition to your comparison reviews!
I’d love to see the ALG ACT trigger tested using this format!
Stumbled across this channel, great break down, especially watching the internals as the trigger being pulled. I would ask one thing be added to this which is the "HAMMER STRIKE", many competition triggers suffer from light "HAMMER STRIKE" or light primer strike which can cause many problems for anyone using Military ammo or other bulk ammo. p.s. would love to see the "BEST" triggers of each brand especially of those offered today. Thank you for a great presentation!
Love my Geissele SSP! After a couple hundred rounds it’s consistently under 2lb pull. Nice vid
Nice, I’ll look into the SSP next, put the Super Tricon in my 300 BO and love it
Some nice triggers... I settled on the Trigger Tech Adjustable Frictionless Zero Creep Strait... nice machining and great performance.
My Rise Armament 535 came in last week it was on sale for $159 on new years eve and also sold out on ar15discounts
I have the Hiperfire Reflex Trigger.. it's a curved trigger like the Genesis but there is zero and I mean zero creep in my trigger 220$ and it has a shoe you can adjust.. 2 lbs 6 oz with the shoe for a higher pull on the trigger. Or go with no shoe and it's just under 2lbs. It's got a quick reset and the hardest hammer in the business.. get a hiperfire reflex or eclipse... No doubt. Dont look back!!! HIPERFIRE!!!
Trigger selection is a totally personal choice as long as the crispness of the pull is good and taste are considered. Personally, I like the Gisselle two stage trigger mainly because it drastically reduces anticipation of firing and recoil. This feature allows the shooter to know exactly when the rifle will fire which reduces or eliminates jerking, eye closure, and pulling of the firearm in anticipation - it allows for much more accuracy, and at longer distances can mean success or failure.
I love my Geissele SSA-E in my LR-308 for this very reason. The first stage is basically my index, once I feel that first resistance of at the end of the first stage I know exactly how pressure is needed to overcome it; nice pause spot for any last moment adjustment in aim or breathing.
My mil-spec trigger in my Radical Arms AR is fantastic. There is zero pre-travel, an immediate break, and approximately a 2mm reset. It is on the heavy side, but to me it's a non issue. I definitely can't justify changing it.
A 60 dollar alg will change your mind. And the pro version that's coated I have in my ak.... whooaaa. Butter smooth
The alg setups are sweeet.. for very little investment
Until this video, I never realized that Strike Industries was in Santa Ana. Thank you for this video by the way.
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