223 -vs- 5.56: FACTS and MYTHS

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  • Опубликовано: 4 авг 2018
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    Here it is! Essential facts and common misconceptions related to both 223/5.56 ammunition, as well as 223/5.56 rifles. Don't forget to check out the full write-up! (see link above).
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Комментарии • 6 тыс.

  • @Ultimatereloader
    @Ultimatereloader  4 года назад +1129

    89.6% of the comments left on this video are from people that obviously didn't watch the entire video. PLEASE WATCH FIRST, THEN COMMENT! :)

    • @Lemurai
      @Lemurai 4 года назад +27

      gavintoobe why do you have such a specific non discreet percentage? Did you run through all of the comments and divide the null responses by the total and multiplied by 100?

    • @Ultimatereloader
      @Ultimatereloader  4 года назад +67

      Lemurai satire lost here - but the actual numbers can’t be far from that! 😂

    • @Lemurai
      @Lemurai 4 года назад +36

      gavintoobe tbh, It’s a shame the masses could care less about this stuff, they just want to point and shoot, no research no technical jargon, BUT, I care, the difference between knowing and not knowing is a finger(s), hand, or a life. Plus exploring the technical aspect of it is something people should research more. I’m a student nurse anesthetist, we get a lot of preventable trauma cases like people trying to quick draw a Glock 22 like it was a revolver in their back yard. But anyway keep educating, it will save lives, is a great help to occupational health and prevents them from becoming a training tool for me in the OR.👍🏽 Def worth subscribing too!

    • @Ultimatereloader
      @Ultimatereloader  4 года назад +101

      @@joshmai8462 It's 5.56 MM - look on a military ammo crate/can. Do people say 556? Yes. Do people say 5.56 Yes. Do they mean the same thing? Absolutely.

    • @gaylongraham077
      @gaylongraham077 4 года назад +2

      Is shooting 5.56 in a 223 chambered rifle equivalent to the incremental damage done to a none nato specified handgun shooting 124gr or more ammo?

  • @stevewitte2501
    @stevewitte2501 3 года назад +2820

    Another fun fact, as we all recently learned, a .223 round is capable of nearly severing an arm.

    • @davesomeone4059
      @davesomeone4059 3 года назад +393

      It will be leaving you wanting a medic I hear.

    • @tylerdriskill6668
      @tylerdriskill6668 3 года назад +772

      .223 is certainly a sufficient communist eraser

    • @prevost8686
      @prevost8686 3 года назад +299

      Steve Witte which is why you aim center mass in dealing with Communists.

    • @KLP99
      @KLP99 3 года назад +223

      The most unfortunate thing about that issue is Communists are too stupid to learn. If that wasn't so, they would be constitutionalists not communists.

    • @tannersears7471
      @tannersears7471 3 года назад +37

      Hahahahahaha

  • @ammoalamo6485
    @ammoalamo6485 5 лет назад +968

    Best 223 vs 556 discussion ever. Lots of facts, no speculation, appropriate warnings, and, greatly appreciated, no wasted words. Thank you.

    • @baybreederbayarea510
      @baybreederbayarea510 4 года назад +2

      @@Fister_of_Muppets if you want to live and love your life do not listen to this guy. He is dead wrong

    • @airenthusiast1071
      @airenthusiast1071 4 года назад +4

      @@baybreederbayarea510 🤦‍♂️🤡

    • @jackdundon2261
      @jackdundon2261 4 года назад +3

      Cost..... 223 is 5 or 6 bucks a box of 20. More of a hunting round. 5.56 is $.29 a round...

    • @jackdundon2261
      @jackdundon2261 4 года назад +4

      @Patrick Flatley apples and oranges.... Your arguments right. But. Not the right argument for this topic. Your explaining cost isn't important. when your life is on the line. I agree totally. BUT, your shooting 5.56 NATO. Not .223 (are you not)? I have never seen .223 green tip bullets. I would love to buy them if they make it.
      My point was totally different! My point was saying why we shoot 5.56 in our .223 (primarily the early mini 14). And the cost of .223 is significantly higher than 5.56.
      I hope you can understand the thread now. Out of respect, I do not wish to troll you.
      My MAIN point, nobody has ever seen a .223 rifle blown up running. 5.56 in it. And we run 5.56 in our .223 due to cost.

    • @jackdundon2261
      @jackdundon2261 4 года назад +2

      @Patrick Flatley Your fine: I have a early mini . I have only shot a few hundred rounds of 5.56 in it never a ftf. But I do run brass, Never steel. Generally I fire other guns more.
      Moreover, every gun Smith I meet, I ask if he's ever seen a .223 blown up running 5.56 in it. So far, none have.
      One guy saw a ar (homebuilt Anderson) blow up running too hot hand loaded 5.56 in it. I guess the scales were off. Human error!
      Federal used to have factory loads too hot sometimes, (lot of lots recalled) a uncle if mine had a savage 99 blow up when he had some 'double' loads in it. (2 sets of powder, and 2 bullets in 1 case). Federal bought him a new savage. - long time ago.
      Barnes had a book with tables off, I was running 124 grains of hmr 3540 in a 30-378 weatherby in a sako action. MAX was 114 grains!
      Gun held the super over pressure, though when primers started to vaporize I stopped shooting and found the issue. Point is, guns are built a lot stronger than rated.
      Anyhow, have a nice day. Welcome home!

  • @todd1547
    @todd1547 3 года назад +142

    I kept imagining all the people watching this video with their eyes glazed over going “I just wanted to know if I could shoot this 5.56 in my AR”

    • @SkipStorm
      @SkipStorm 2 года назад +4

      Consult you manufacturer.

    • @Sealacamp
      @Sealacamp 2 года назад +4

      And you can if it's marked for a 5.56. But that's why I like my Galil, it's good for any and all of those cartridges, my Valmet was too. Hope those guys that stole them get their faces blown off!

    • @SkipStorm
      @SkipStorm 2 года назад +1

      @@Sealacamp my Springfield Saint will fire both also. I agree with you sentiment.

    • @kylegeorge7929
      @kylegeorge7929 2 года назад +1

      You sound like you watch Tim Pool. Lol.

    • @ZeroScapes
      @ZeroScapes 2 года назад

      Thats why I am here, but I am glad to have learned more than what I came for.

  • @bobmohr4952
    @bobmohr4952 Год назад +81

    In the late 60’s all of my military training was with the M-14 a big heavy weapon. Once I got to Vietnam with no training whatsoever I was given M-16. A bit of a shock but that lightweight rifle could pound out some round.

    • @billg4369
      @billg4369 Год назад +6

      Wow one of those Guys too? I was Given an M16 and thought it was Fake! LOL.

    • @chrisbohanon403
      @chrisbohanon403 Год назад +6

      @@billg4369 lol!!! I love you veteran's!! The guy I respect the most in this world was a Vietnam veteran he ran a M60 . whenever he tells me about his time over there it's crazy!! I have so much respect for what you guys went through!!! Man sometimes when he just talks nonchalant about daily life during that time it blows me away!!!one time I said I couldn't amagine being a tunnel rat in war and he responded we were all tunnel rats! You've never been more scared in your life!! They took turns I guess and sometimes they used dogs to but no matter a guy had go in two!! I don't think this nation has people like you anymore and it's scary as hell! This woke military now is just sad! Not to say their all that way....but come on!!! WTF happened to are pride and patriotic beliefs!!! Jesus Christ Biden is in the Whitehouse!!!! Every generation before gen z knows who he is and always has been!!! Now is older people have to stand up and try to be as great as you guys were!! Hard thing to do! Anyways god bless Jerry Smith!! A man worthy of mention! Yet he'd just say I was just doing my job!!! ........god bless America and long live the Republic!!!!

    • @hawkk03
      @hawkk03 6 месяцев назад +3

      Thank you for your service. Many of us Americans appreciate your service more than we could ever possibly put into words.❤

  • @lordoftheplains6835
    @lordoftheplains6835 4 года назад +1302

    I just forgot all of my children's birthdays to make room for all that information.

    • @larryfisherman6449
      @larryfisherman6449 4 года назад +8

      Lord of the Plains holy shoot that made me cackle

    • @evanlinn5869
      @evanlinn5869 4 года назад +2

      LOL. I can identify!

    • @davidosborn9093
      @davidosborn9093 4 года назад +15

      Hopefully your children will remember what every generation of my family since we gave up our Titles from George respected... Never give up your arms or Society will become communist and disregard human life

    • @hw4189
      @hw4189 4 года назад

      LOL

    • @fosatech
      @fosatech 4 года назад +3

      Reason #14 why I don't have children

  • @dudley5658
    @dudley5658 3 года назад +637

    Doesn’t matter here in Summer 2020. Can’t find either.

    • @solascriptura9988
      @solascriptura9988 3 года назад +3

      Preach 😩

    • @thebalder9634
      @thebalder9634 3 года назад +24

      I couldn't find any either untill I shopped local. Go to a mom and pops gun store. I found plenty then.

    • @davemcl1057
      @davemcl1057 3 года назад +3

      really ? I just bought a 300 blackout :) happy now.

    • @angelespino2513
      @angelespino2513 3 года назад +6

      I just got 500 rounds of each in Orange a county

    • @mybad8805
      @mybad8805 3 года назад +3

      @@angelespino2513 Florida or Cali, never mind both are a disgrace.

  • @Sysaphys
    @Sysaphys 3 года назад +366

    I've always heard that a simple rule of thumb is that you can shoot 223 in any 5.56 chambered rifle but you should not shoot 5.56 in a 223 chambered rifle.

    • @pastelskies8466
      @pastelskies8466 2 года назад +3

      I always thought that 223 caliber was a small 6mm. So it's actually 5.56mm?

    • @kinnordjhs8694
      @kinnordjhs8694 2 года назад +48

      I have been informed by a former homeland security guy that I trust that 223 wylde is the only chamber that can fire both just fine. In fact he has been a family friend for over 20 years

    • @Stakkboii
      @Stakkboii 2 года назад +4

      @@kinnordjhs8694 facts

    • @SubBubz
      @SubBubz 2 года назад +70

      @@kinnordjhs8694 my father was a marine, police, and in homeland security.
      You can shoot both out of a 5.56 chambered rifle all day everyday.

    • @kinnordjhs8694
      @kinnordjhs8694 2 года назад +7

      @@SubBubz oh. I didn’t know that. Only abt the one barrel cause it’s the one I have. Good to know

  • @billfreeman4308
    @billfreeman4308 3 года назад +11

    Thank-you so much for putting this story together. I appreciate easy to understand explanations, and yours were/are. You answered many questions other shooters and I had. Look forward to seeing some of your other productions.

  • @laughingram7287
    @laughingram7287 3 года назад +434

    I don’t know about everybody else here, but I found this interesting.
    I learned something.
    Thanks for putting this video together. 👍🏼

    • @Mikevdog
      @Mikevdog 3 года назад +6

      This guy appears to be an engineer, so I learned something for sure.

    • @laughingram7287
      @laughingram7287 3 года назад +6

      Mikevdog - nothing wrong with being an engineer. 👍🏼 😉

    • @Formerlywarmer
      @Formerlywarmer 3 года назад +1

      no one can know about everyone else....can they🤔

    • @philburns9049
      @philburns9049 3 года назад +2

      same here, because I am over 1/2 century old and new to reloading. I am taking all the precautions I can.

  • @mazepa-slavaukrayini932
    @mazepa-slavaukrayini932 5 лет назад +64

    You delivered an exceptional, highly detailed description like no one else. Thank you!

  • @raulraygosa7099
    @raulraygosa7099 2 года назад +3

    I purchase a colt ar 15 in 1980 in 223 Remington. It is stamped on the barrel. I called colt about shooting 5.56 nato in this rifle and they said that it was ok. No problem.

  • @seniorsurvivor7381
    @seniorsurvivor7381 2 года назад +4

    Excellent video. Thank-you! I re-watch this video about once a year. It is full of quality information from start to finish. Thank-you once again for posting this. 👍👍👍

  • @ldmorris306
    @ldmorris306 4 года назад +24

    Sir,
    I discovered your site a few weeks ago by a lucky accident. While I have served in the Marines for almost 20 years, I have experience with many firearms from Flint & Wheel locks, Bolts to Pumps, Hand&Long guns to Howitzers and calibers from .117 to 120mm.
    I have made gunpowder from scratch and enjoyed the reputation of being a Weapons Expert. What I have lacked is the knowledge of reloading. I want to express my gratitude to your channel for the explanation of how and why on reloading.
    Thank you and God bless.
    L.D. Morris

  • @lightspeedM3W2019
    @lightspeedM3W2019 3 года назад +10

    This explains some of the accuracy differences I have had with a Rutgers #1 in 223 when shooting 556 in it. Thanks for the explanation.

  • @geraldgerhardstein2170
    @geraldgerhardstein2170 2 года назад +2

    Excellent video ! I did watch the entire video. Stellar information on such an back and forth on the construction of 5.56 and .223.
    Top notch display, and visual aids to explain.
    I plan to watch your entire series.
    Thank you !
    JP

  • @frankbaine3918
    @frankbaine3918 3 года назад +99

    This is a very high level, well-researched vid packed with great info about the neverending 5.56/223 saga. I downloaded it to be replayed when I am in a bourbon induced coma and therefore more receptive to watching in its entirety (maybe even comprehending) in one sitting.

  • @jeffpv.
    @jeffpv. 4 года назад +449

    Who's part of the 10.4% that watched the entire video? Happy shooting and happy reloading!

    • @markhonerbaum6988
      @markhonerbaum6988 3 года назад

      Reloading, fun to mention, how to do ball ammo, ever try a 4inch block of aluminum afor smelting for wind roosters or mail box tops? The ball does alot more then a lead reload,quess the rest.

    • @riverswater5688
      @riverswater5688 3 года назад +7

      not me... looking just for the answer to sum up an otherwise uninteresting video

    • @carlcampbell6827
      @carlcampbell6827 3 года назад +4

      Jeffrey P - I had to get out 1/3 the way through video to prevent wasting any more of my evening.

    • @tommygunn1647
      @tommygunn1647 3 года назад +2

      SEEN TOO many of these STUPID videos ALREADY! 😡

    • @coiledsteel8344
      @coiledsteel8344 3 года назад

      Obviously NOT the Idiot who disagrees.

  • @Goldchucker1
    @Goldchucker1 5 лет назад +21

    Your explination of the differences between the two cartridges is the best I've heard yet. Thank you.
    Chuck

  • @pauldodson2018
    @pauldodson2018 3 года назад +13

    Dear Gavin Toobe, Yes we do need another 5.56 vs. 223 video. This was explained beautifully and cleared up a lot of questions I had. I thought I knew it all after shooting my AR 23 for years and the M16 in the Marine Corps. Thank you.-Paul

    • @Harry-zz2oh
      @Harry-zz2oh 3 года назад

      Paul, I've not shot a .223 but I own a .222 rifle. I trained with the M14 during basic but learned to shoot the M16 after I received my orders to head to Vietnam. I'm sure the ammo and the firearms are very different now than they were then. Time has a way of resolving the problems which the early models have since they don't always identify the issues until later on.

    • @norseman5041
      @norseman5041 4 месяца назад

      what is a AR 23 ?

  • @scottsatterthwaite4073
    @scottsatterthwaite4073 2 года назад +51

    Big difference between design specifications, machining tolerances, and practical example. Some of the chamber differences between .223 and 5.56 fall within machine tolerances of production weapons. The M16 was designed for rapid mass production. They are not hand-crafted precision instruments.

    • @ethoslogospathos
      @ethoslogospathos 9 месяцев назад

      the M16 is exactly the AR or worse, trying to understand. thx

  • @amatodap
    @amatodap 5 лет назад +22

    Of all the 1000s of vids on the topic, this ones the most concise, thoroughly explored, and well explained. Thanks for the info. Nicely done!

    • @Lure-Benson
      @Lure-Benson 4 года назад +1

      Yeah then explain why thousands of shooters use 5.56 x45 in 233 chambers without problems or why reloads aren't blowing up guns that have more pressure than any commercial loads.
      This is another b.s. video from an idiot that addmited in the video he did the research meaning the idiot doesn't have any personal hands on experiences with this subject.
      The fool is just regurgitating hear say information .
      You can just liar Adam Schiff as well as this fool.

  • @denmar355
    @denmar355 4 года назад +28

    Glad you made this video. I have been trying to explain this for 30 years.

  • @CDewayne7
    @CDewayne7 3 года назад +1

    This is the most comprehensive and useful video that I have ever watched on this subject. Thank you.

  • @DeeDeckerOfficial
    @DeeDeckerOfficial 3 года назад +16

    This was perfect man. All my whys were basically answered. Thanks!

  • @johannscv
    @johannscv 3 года назад +7

    I want to add my voice to the others saying that this was the best, most concise explanation vid that I've seen. OP put it exactly as my FFL guy did when I bought my M&P15X. Well done, good sir!

  • @joeedmack9893
    @joeedmack9893 4 года назад +41

    Thanx for your comprehensive and detailed clarification. Answered my questions.

    • @haroldwilkes6608
      @haroldwilkes6608 3 года назад

      He answered questions i didn't even know I had. Good vid.

  • @earlwyss520
    @earlwyss520 2 года назад +24

    During emergency situations at Clark AB Philippines in 1988-1990, I actually carried an early Colt production US Government owned AR-15s (no where on the rifle was "M-16" written) with XM-148s attached. The serial numbers were within the first 10,000 rifles produced, and caliber was listed as ".223 Remington".

    • @TheKCaryer
      @TheKCaryer 2 года назад

      Thanks for sharing Earl. I am retired USAF myself and this seems typical as the Air Force would be the last to change out our small arms. My 1st side arm in the 80's was a six shot .38 SPL revolver from the 1950's. Army was converting from the 1911 to the 9mm Beretta M9 during this time frame. Not knocking the USAF.....we are not a ground combat force and we simply use whatever Big Army uses for small arms...after the Big Army is equipped first.

    • @earlwyss520
      @earlwyss520 2 года назад

      @@TheKCaryer When I got to Clark in 1988, the Law Enforcement troops in the 3rd LES were all carrying M-9s. The Security Specialists in the 3rd SPS (which I was one) were generally carrying M-16s, M-203s, and M-60s. During emergency situations where we needed more people armed in both Squadrons we'd issue the Colt AR-15 601s with XM-148. When I got to the 97th SPS at Eaker AFB Arkansas in 1990, the LE troops were still carrying the .38 Special S&W M-15s. I also got a brand new M-16A2 at Incirlik AB Turkey in 1994, but had to switch back to an old M-16 at Minot AFB ND in 1995. What you carried depended on in which Major Command you were in. PACAF & USAFE got first dibs on new weapons, SAC & USAFSC had to wait. I'm sure Curtis E. LeMay is spinning in his grave knowing that his beloved SAC, & to a lesser extent Space Command, were getting "Shafted".

    • @et76039
      @et76039 Год назад +1

      General Curtis LeMay had originally gotten the AR-15 for the Air Force; the ones noted here were probably from that batch. The Army initially didn't want this rifle, and it was the Army's production contract that brought changes that differentiated the Colt AR-15 from the M-16.

    • @richrudley2650
      @richrudley2650 Год назад +3

      This may have been the rifle without a forward bolt assist. It was called the Air Force model. I qualified with it in AIT at Fort Gordon Gorgia.

  • @rudolfyakich6653
    @rudolfyakich6653 3 года назад +4

    Very relevant and important information for my reloading method as I use both .223 and .556. My main varmint rifle is a Remington 700 with a heavy 1:12 , 26" barrel. Then three AR's. Two 1:7 and one 1:9. I have been using the AR's with low quality bullets to ring steel at 440 yards. A lot of fun to use open sights.

  • @JonesFamilyRanch
    @JonesFamilyRanch 5 лет назад +7

    Perhaps the finest comparison of these two rounds I have ever seen. Great job!

  • @raulcasal6342
    @raulcasal6342 5 лет назад +3

    Great video. Will be providing a link to it in many chat rooms and discussions. Thanks a bunch!

  • @davidnickels3325
    @davidnickels3325 2 года назад +10

    Compound this by modern commercial ammo that is marked ".223/5.56" on the box.

  • @jimmorrisy7881
    @jimmorrisy7881 Год назад +1

    Excellent video. It definitely clarified some things I had questions about, in particular the pressures of the discharge. Still much to learn but thank you for post.

  • @RamTahoe
    @RamTahoe 5 лет назад +11

    I had heard the 5.56 free bore was larger than .223 but holy cow, double...... Thanks for clearing that up

  • @masonpark4233
    @masonpark4233 4 года назад +8

    One of the best descriptions I’ve seen!

  • @Robert-ko6wr
    @Robert-ko6wr Год назад

    Best discussion on the subject! Thank you for your excellent work on the details and simple drawings.

  • @corecharger
    @corecharger 3 года назад

    Great video. I have read and seen lots of videos talking about this subject but I like your explanation the best. Thank you!

  • @InAltum.
    @InAltum. 3 года назад +23

    Great explanation, easy to follow. Appreciate the time taken to make it quick and simple for those new to the long gun world 👍

  • @Grumpum
    @Grumpum 3 года назад +3

    Excellent video. Glad I came here for the answer to my question. Nice to see a statistical and data driven presentation.

  • @007connecticut
    @007connecticut 3 года назад +18

    I've been reloading since dirt. Your info is very accurate. I've reloaded thousands of 223 ammo. Excellent factual video

  • @mrandmrslewis5552
    @mrandmrslewis5552 Год назад +5

    Your tempo and oratory skills coupled with the wealth of accurate info you presented in this video is Superb. Great job 👏🏽 Sir 🫡

  • @gpark09
    @gpark09 5 лет назад +1423

    Now, we got that a side, how about .308 vs 7.62 x 51?

    • @GunFunZS
      @GunFunZS 5 лет назад +59

      There's a much more apparent difference there, particularly when you consider gas guns with goofy operating rods.

    • @GrizzlyDude
      @GrizzlyDude 5 лет назад +11

      Gregory Park I was going to say the same thing

    • @randallobrien1812
      @randallobrien1812 5 лет назад +9

      Would you be thinking 7.62x54r? Those are similar based yet the difference that I know of is that the 7.62 has the boat tail and casing sizes are much more different.

    • @shootmcrunfast
      @shootmcrunfast 5 лет назад +163

      He means .308 Winchester vs 7.62 x 51 Nato

    • @762gunr
      @762gunr 5 лет назад +15

      50k CUP is much closer to 62k PSI than people think. There is 7.62 surplus that is higher pressure than commercial .308

  • @crazyfugger6703
    @crazyfugger6703 4 года назад +4

    Great video brother! Thanks for taking the time to make and upload this video.

  • @BaileysDad369
    @BaileysDad369 3 года назад +5

    Thank you for such an informative and well researched video. I appreciate your effort and learned a lot. I’m now a new sub. Thanks again and keep up the great work!

  • @ricksalisbury4219
    @ricksalisbury4219 2 года назад +1

    Probably the best most informative information on this topic, short and sweet, thank you.

  • @tonydaniels3093
    @tonydaniels3093 5 лет назад +31

    Great info, I knew there was a difference but didn’t know where. Thanks for the information, I learned a lot.

  • @1dogelsa
    @1dogelsa 4 года назад +6

    The best comparison video I've seen to date. Like anything else, glean the best info you can from various sources and come to your own conclusions... Very good job, thank you.

  • @1underwaterant
    @1underwaterant 3 года назад +10

    As an Armourer in the Army, and hunter, it's a good article. True to detail.

  • @greathornedowl3644
    @greathornedowl3644 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for the review. So much to learn, this was another piece of the pie. From someone who is old school thinking 30-06 in my M1 Garand was minimal stopping power

  • @mppsnco
    @mppsnco 3 года назад +16

    11:46 "I hope that you found this video useful" I did. I love to hear the science behind it all.

  • @CraneofBoulogne
    @CraneofBoulogne 3 года назад +4

    I purchased a Ruger Mini 14 at the Marine Corps Exchange on base not long before I discharged the Corps. Soon after I got into reloading and purchased a Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading when it was a new book, dated June 1973. On page 72 loading data for the Remington 223 has an introductory paragraph or two about the 223. First line of the second paragraph states: "The prospect of surplus military cartridges and a plentiful supply of once fired military brass for the 223 has encouraged predictions that this round will ultimately surrpass the 22 Remington Magnum in popularity." This was of course long before the current trendy thought came along and it simply states the obvious simple facts. There are different primer pockets on current military brass yes, but some say it was not always that way, and it doesn't really matter. The primers on today's military brass are different. But the only real difference between the 5.56X45 NATO and the 223 Remington is marketing. "Buy this 5.56 and it is better than that other guys 223 Remington." In fact, you could never, never find any load data for a 5.56 NATOin any loading manual until that all came about, and it has now gone so far, to please those owners of rifles marked 5.56 that they now print loading manuals with different loads for 5.56 and 223 Remington rounds. Now the millenials are beginning to say the 7.62 X 51 NATO is not really the same as a 308 Win.
    Marketing, that is the difference between the two, and that is it.

  • @georgeholt8929
    @georgeholt8929 3 года назад +11

    Finely a wonderful video covering the true differences with the 223 and the 5.56. Well done I hope to view more of your informative videos in the future.

  • @makingtechsense126
    @makingtechsense126 3 года назад +202

    Excellent information. I recall when I bought my first AR-15 I was a little freaked out about all the confusion surrounding 5.56 and .223. Once I learned that as long as I bought a 5.56 rifle I could shoot either I relaxed.

    • @stanstenson8168
      @stanstenson8168 3 года назад +3

      I did the same.

    • @nnm7761
      @nnm7761 3 года назад +11

      it is the way

    • @Hungrybird474
      @Hungrybird474 3 года назад +6

      It is the way , nice

    • @Harry-zz2oh
      @Harry-zz2oh 3 года назад +20

      I used an M16 when I was in the Army but didn't train on it until I got my orders to go to Vietnam. It's over 50 years ago, so a lot of things have changed. I read the early models of the M16 had issues with jamming but after we got out of Vietnam they found out the reason. Some idjit in the Ordnance Dept. changed the specs to ball powder instead of the long powder the manufacturer specified.

    • @BM205
      @BM205 3 года назад +9

      @@Harry-zz2oh Fisrt off thank you sir for your service. My dad and uncle's talking about the jamming issues they experienced in Vietnam kept me away from ARs. I've always been an AK guy. I traded around on a AR in my teens that looking back was built wrong and it really reinforced my disdain for the platform. A few years ago I decided to build an AR and wow it's not at all what I thought. Still love my AKs but I love my ARs too!

  • @althompson7314
    @althompson7314 3 года назад +4

    Best darn video I have yet to see on this subject! Thank you!

  • @americathefree3708
    @americathefree3708 3 года назад +1

    Love your channel! You got me into reloading! Thank you!

  • @Jkai114
    @Jkai114 2 года назад +7

    I didn’t even know I wanted to know all of this. As always, man, I’m leaving your video smarter than this morning. Thanks, Gavin.

    • @710p5
      @710p5 2 года назад +1

      @ Jony Van; thanks,
      I couldn't have said it better. 👍

  • @dannyvalentine8315
    @dannyvalentine8315 3 года назад +5

    Well sourced info with comprehensive commentary, love that!

  • @daddykool951
    @daddykool951 5 лет назад +6

    Thank you so much for the tutorial!. Really good video.

  • @gillysguns9244
    @gillysguns9244 2 года назад +16

    Great video. One other item to consider is the tolerances accepted with .223 and 5.56 ammo. The 5.56 chamber allows for operation with ammunition loaded to the loosest tolerances. Run a couple hundred rounds of nato 5.56 over a chronograph and you will see the standard deviation is much higher than the commercial .223 ammo. This is because the tolerances are wider for the 5.56 load.

    • @shawntailor5485
      @shawntailor5485 2 года назад +1

      That would also make scence to me as ex army .

    • @ethoslogospathos
      @ethoslogospathos 9 месяцев назад

      do you mean to say that 5.56 has more misses on targets than 0.223? trying to understand your comment. Use 5.56 or 0.223 in an AR? new to the conversation and looking to make purchases for what's coming. Thanks

    • @gillysguns9244
      @gillysguns9244 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@ethoslogospathos 5.56 is just less consistent. For most shooting you will never know the difference. The only time I have a noticeable difference is when shooting through a really accurate rifle or shooting over the chronograph. The average ar with a 5.56 chamber will shoot under 3 moa with any ammo. Cheap 5.56 ammo will be within that standard as well.
      Assuming you want to have a decent supply for personal use and possibly bartering, I would buy as much as you can afford at the cheapest price possible... Whatever that may be.
      Steel case stuff is fine if your rifle will function with it, just make sure to try it before you buy a bunch. It also may be less desirable in a bartering world since other folks rifles may not function with it.

  • @jeffdwyer6105
    @jeffdwyer6105 3 года назад +20

    I recall shooting green tip ammo in the late 80's and we never considered it as "Armor Piecing" during the debates over banning such ammo however I had some 9mm steel core and 30;06 black tip solid steel armor piecing that was not good for the bore but could go through one inch T1 steel plates at 100 yards , that was real armor piecing. Depleted uranium is the mother of armor piecing .

    • @joemarnold82
      @joemarnold82 2 года назад

      I shoot M855 green tip through my rifle, it's considered armor piercing and I have noticed more damage to targets with those rounds.

    • @brycefrazier8173
      @brycefrazier8173 2 года назад

      piercing, not piecing

    • @Kevin-id5hx
      @Kevin-id5hx Год назад +3

      @@brycefrazier8173 ahh yes the grammar police have arrived I thank you for your service

    • @Weimerica8841
      @Weimerica8841 Год назад

      @@brycefrazier8173 get a life

  • @OwOUwUOnO
    @OwOUwUOnO 5 лет назад +29

    Thank you for this video :o I hear locals talking about how .223 & 5.56 are pretty much the same ammo. But none of them have mentioned or explained to me more in details what differs the 2 from each other like what I have learned from this here.

    • @otrtube4390
      @otrtube4390 5 лет назад

      His video was bs. The max limits are not even close. The difference is so small you can fire 5.56 all day long in 223 with no issues.

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 4 года назад +28

    I love the way you call your videos, "stories." It sounds more accurate and pleasing than "articles" or "videos." :)

  • @jimc6481
    @jimc6481 3 года назад

    Gavin.....another excellent video sir, thank you for taking the time to create these, very informative sir. Thx!

  • @josephcoffman2470
    @josephcoffman2470 3 года назад +3

    5.56 vs .223 ammo sounded good, but I worked at Lake City. At the time, ATK operated Lake City Army Ammunition Plant and also owned Federal (among many other shooting-related companies). We would often move overproduction 5.56 at Lake City to Federal and sell it as American Eagle 223. The lucky soles purchasing those rounds would get mil-spec ammo (and precision) at hillbilly ammo prices.

  • @phenosgardenupdate512
    @phenosgardenupdate512 5 лет назад +14

    Wonderfully done! well researched, interesting and entertaining! Thank you!

  • @kingmode4
    @kingmode4 3 года назад +6

    Dude just straight nerded out on this ammo comparison... nice

  • @johnqpublic2718
    @johnqpublic2718 2 года назад +1

    This is the kind of explanation for which I have been searching. Thanks

  • @joespencer8902
    @joespencer8902 2 года назад

    The best explanation I have heard yet! Thanks for putting this video out.

  • @FerrousWrangler
    @FerrousWrangler 5 лет назад +6

    This is awesome. Glad I went to your page from 6.5 guys. Great info, going to be sharing this one with my buddies.

  • @rockymountboy
    @rockymountboy 5 лет назад +547

    "SUBERSONIC" - So, neither subsonic, nor Supersonic, but right inbetween. Just Sonic. Or, as fast as a hedgehog.

    • @DanSlotea
      @DanSlotea 5 лет назад +5

      It can be both supersonic and subsonic while in between, depending on altitude :)))))

    • @greasyt9400
      @greasyt9400 5 лет назад +21

      Trans-sonic ammunition

    • @thekingsilverado9004
      @thekingsilverado9004 5 лет назад +5

      I've found that the Hedge is more than just a bit more than Subsonic compared to the speed of my customized souped up acurized Silverado and especially on Fridays when I am on the way to the bank to get my check in before the bill collectors cash what I wrote out, they just can't get off to the hiway shoulder faster than a souped up Super Sonic Silverado goes by... Therefore Hedge Hogs are confirmed Subsonic critters...

    • @lexdunham7864
      @lexdunham7864 5 лет назад +1

      LMFAO

    • @thekingsilverado9004
      @thekingsilverado9004 5 лет назад +3

      @@RolandArthur Are you trying to dazzle a ballistics expert from Camp Perry and LE June Champion from 1990 on up? You are so full of shit and left fucking field you fucking stink... A 223 round and 5.56 Nato both leave the barrel almost 3,000 miles per hour. The problem with round has never been velocity.. It's been a distance and striking capacity issue... Nothing else... Now go back to the fucking Porn Channels where you are an authority on the subject matters..

  • @williamharris1485
    @williamharris1485 3 года назад

    This video was great! Not a waste of time , straight to it. And has my knowledge satisfied on this simple topic. facts. I just subscribed and will checking on more of your videos.

  • @BBQDad463
    @BBQDad463 3 года назад

    Thank you for this video. I found it highly informative. Many mysteries were cleared up for me.
    Again, thank you.

  • @fredkumm1305
    @fredkumm1305 4 года назад +5

    Thank you so much! Clear and very useful information. 👍😃

  • @hardybirch3630
    @hardybirch3630 5 лет назад +7

    Exceptional information that is very much appreciated. thank you.

  • @philipwilliams2951
    @philipwilliams2951 3 года назад

    Well done and informative video. Thank you for your effort in putting this together

  • @lgavett
    @lgavett 3 года назад +4

    Gavin is a wealth of knowledge and certainly makes it easier to understand. I would love to hear him give his insight to the .223 Wylde chamber, and loading for it.

  • @Jpizzle925
    @Jpizzle925 3 года назад +9

    This was a great explanation !! so cool

  • @backwoodsschooling8129
    @backwoodsschooling8129 4 года назад +7

    This has to be the most comprehensive discussion on the debate. Thank you so much.

  • @budgreen4040
    @budgreen4040 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for doing all the homework and sharing your information.

  • @hleigh842
    @hleigh842 3 года назад

    Exceptional preparation and presentation. This was very informative and helpful. Thank you very much.

  • @jmacpi
    @jmacpi 3 года назад +23

    Got over 30 years experience with firearms (military, law enforcement, & F/A instructor), and now I actually understand the difference. Not a reloader but it was an interesting presentation. Plus I liked the additional points on the tracer rounds. Nice job and thanks.

    • @ethoslogospathos
      @ethoslogospathos 9 месяцев назад +1

      I'm new, and want to make good purchases. Watching vids. AR or AK? I saw a couple vets with combat experience totally and equally make cases for both in the same video and both comfortable with their decisions. as non-combat vet, I have no clue. But when it matters I want to have the right equipment. Thanks brother.

    • @jmacpi
      @jmacpi 9 месяцев назад

      @@ethoslogospathos Both are effective. It really depends on the purpose for the the rifle. I don't hunt anymore, so the larger caliber isn't necessary. Generally, my intent is home defense and range time. Between the two, I prefer the AR, it's a reliable and easy to shoot accurately, easy to maintain, and ammo is decently priced. Most importantly, my wife can also effectively handle it, which makes it extremely useful in potential home defense situations.

  • @jamiesloan5902
    @jamiesloan5902 5 лет назад +47

    Pressure is created, as soon as a bullet starts to engage the rifling. The rifling is slowing the forward progress of the projectile, and imparting a spinning motion. The bullet basically hits the brakes, when the rifling grabs hold of it. This creates added pressure, from the gases that are behind it, trying to propel it down the barrel. Basically, a .223 chambered firearm has LESS space between the chamber and the rifling(free bore, then throat). It's called bullet jump. Add THAT to the fact that a 5.56 bullet is designed to contact the rifling sooner anyway, because of its longer profile(where the bullet begins to curve to a point), and you have A LOT of added pressure created. I hope this adds to his explanation... Very good video!

    • @jamiesloan5902
      @jamiesloan5902 5 лет назад +1

      Thanks, Bob.

    • @JamesTheScot
      @JamesTheScot 4 года назад +12

      I don't know that that's completely true, Jamie. Outside of unusual profile bullets, that longer throat isn't making that much of a difference. As evidence, have you ever found 55 grain "5.56" bullets for reloading as distinguishable from 55 grain ".223" bullets for reloading? And how can one set of reloading dies reload for both the .223 and 5.56? It's because they ARE identical for all PRACTICAL purposes so long as you are not dabbling in exotic composition bullets (like the tracer round profiled in the video). The longer freebore in a 5.56 chamber is so that it can reliably chamber a multitude of military loads (from various supply sources) in dirty battlefield conditions. You are not going to blow up a .223 chamber by firing the M193 and M855 5.56 loadings that get sold to us in the civilian market. And if you look at reloading manuals, you will see load data for longer bullet profiles (way over the 62 grain weight) in the .223 section. If the shorter freebore in the .223 is so dangerous, how can you load heavier (longer) bullets in it which either extend further into the freebore or sit back further in the case ... both of which increase pressure? We live in a day and age where everyone wants to limit liability. This is why the confusion. When asked point blank, no industry member will tell you it's OK to shoot 5.56 in a .223 chamber. But yet how many label their products (ammo boxes, gun manuals, etc.) in such a way to caution you from doing so? It's because their lawyers haven't made them print the material that way ... because no one is suing them over blown up .223 chambers. It's a boogeyman and nothing more. Follow the money.

    • @robertmurdock9750
      @robertmurdock9750 4 года назад +3

      All this video showed me is to not fire 5.56 NATO tracer ammunition in a .223 Remington chambered rifle even though it shouldn't hurt the rifle or the shooter. People have been seating bullets out to just touch the rifling for well over 120 years for better accuracy. It is when you jam the bullet into the rifling that pressure problems occur, If the bolt closes easily then there should be no problem.

    • @hugosmith6776
      @hugosmith6776 4 года назад +2

      the main difference between mm AND calibre is one measures from the barrel inside diameter --->O

    • @hugosmith6776
      @hugosmith6776 4 года назад

      4/1000 (0.223 - 0.218897 = 0.004103)

  • @alexanderviolinist
    @alexanderviolinist 2 года назад

    12:20 minutes non stop, no editing, no Bull SH, pure facts and good info for the beginner? WOW! Awesome

  • @bgmobman1
    @bgmobman1 Год назад

    Excellent review.

  • @stevedouglas5443
    @stevedouglas5443 3 года назад +3

    My pet 223 load is 25.9 grains of Winchester 748 cci mag primer, 55 GR Hornady so, and MILITARY BRASS. You will get sub 1/2" groups.

  • @TheTortuga58
    @TheTortuga58 4 года назад +352

    Everyone saying "this was pointless they're basically the same", you absolutely missed the point of the video lmao

    • @kennethwalker4551
      @kennethwalker4551 4 года назад +18

      Both rounds are exactly the same,only different.

    • @joerobo682
      @joerobo682 4 года назад +23

      It was never even an issue untill recently. The 5.56 was the military designation for the Remington .233. i owned an old Mini 14(the one with the wood handguard) and fired thousands of 5.56 ammo with no issues. It seems the difference is 5.56NATO is loaded to mil spec and .223 is SAAMI spec.

    • @Papote44
      @Papote44 4 года назад

      @Slow Flight Thank you Sir!

    • @iamthelaw78
      @iamthelaw78 3 года назад +3

      @@joerobo682 I have mini 14 ranch and shot both .223 and 5.56. I had fte on 5.56 and no fte on .223. Both had same grains.

    • @buckhostetler446
      @buckhostetler446 3 года назад +5

      Verry well said safety first. I have been reloading over 40 years with no accidents that's because Dad taught me to be safe when reloading ammo.dont reload when when u don't feel good or don't have time.be careful and be safe 🤔

  • @nickybigg1773
    @nickybigg1773 3 года назад +1

    You have such a knack for explaining things. This was very informative

  • @KillItandGrillIt
    @KillItandGrillIt 3 года назад +1

    It's a good video you cleared up a few misconceptions I had.

  • @washburnbilly
    @washburnbilly 3 года назад +3

    As a novice to this model, I truly appreciate this knowledge! Thanks for the info!

  • @geekmp3
    @geekmp3 5 лет назад +14

    This is an excellent video. Well organized, well delivered. Nicely done.

  • @zodraz5637
    @zodraz5637 3 года назад

    Good info and professionally presented. Thank you.

  • @Bogie3855
    @Bogie3855 Год назад +1

    I am a Range Safety Officer in a 4,000 member club. I was watching a member trying to hammer a cartridge into his AR15. I took it away from him because I expected an out of battery incidend. When I checked the barrel is was a 223 chamber and the dealer had sold him 556 ammo telling him if was the same. The case was a quarter inch out of the chamber and would NOT go further. None of the rounds he had would chamber. I am told the 556 chambers are more tolerant of size variance whereas a 223 chamber is NOT. Basic rule of thumb is "shoot the cal printed on your barrel". Simple rule that will keep you save. Similar yes, and you can shoot 223 in a 556 chamber but NOT the other way around. Stay safe and follow the rules. A receiver blowing off the top of your firearm might leave you damaged.

  • @billsmith912
    @billsmith912 5 лет назад +6

    Thanks for such a great video
    Learned a ton
    Much appreciated

  • @jeremyhubbard5706
    @jeremyhubbard5706 2 года назад +15

    Wylde chambered will safely accept either ammo without issue. 👍

  • @WhackBytch256
    @WhackBytch256 3 года назад

    Thank you for that very informative and useful disambiguation of an often misconstrued situation 🙏

  • @stephenbrown5844
    @stephenbrown5844 2 года назад

    Thanks for the footage my friend 😁👍

  • @egglisboingo335
    @egglisboingo335 5 лет назад +860

    5'12" vs 6'

  • @lloydholt6511
    @lloydholt6511 3 года назад +3

    Great explanation of the difference in these two rounds

  • @dennisholle1005
    @dennisholle1005 Год назад

    Great information! Best I've seen on this subject!!!

  • @johnschif
    @johnschif 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic information. Thank you for your knowledge.