Never had FORM. Except long trips on holiday and occasional week-ends I drive mostly electric. Had a scheduled 15.000 km oil change mid December, not so long ago. Since then, mostly electric trips, but I would trigger the ICE on occasion forced to mash on the throttle harder. Not very often but it happened. Otherwise I would run the engine at least 20-25 minutes. No long trips lately either, to have a chance to evaporate the gas. The result, according to the level on the dipstick, I had, alsmot 1l of gas in the oil, and a strong smell. I was wrong to asume that because I did not have short trips often and no FORM, all is good. The fact I do not run the ICE for long periods of time, the gas will acumulate in the oil, even if you do your best to avoid short runs. I did about 100 km of driving in one go with the ICE, that reduced it in half. Is still pretty cold,.I have a long trip planned in about 3 weeks. Just before that I will do an oil change, and the weather should improve as well. Thank you for the. video, I plan to keep this car for at least 5 years and 150 k km, so. this is important. I will be a lot more careful and inspect the oil more often in the Winter.
One of ours is at dealer with this issue and has star report going with jeep. Our second 4xe after picking up from jeep for software update and oil change. Drove 30 miles, miles, and the engine light came on, popped up to change oil again. I then checked oil level and was over full by 1/2in above full and smelled of light gas. First jeep smelled like gas tank and dipstick we about 2 inches over full mark. We are waiting on engineers to update star report to solution but both 4xes are down.
all these little issues that keep popping up just make me think the 4xe isn’t ready for prime time. form, no electric in cold, oil dilution. as interested as i am about ev, and with as many short trips that i have, i would be in all ev mode (potentially i guess). with no major runs now that volleyball season is ending…would have zero way of fixing any dilution/form issues without doing the oil changes every 5k miles that i do now anyhow
⚠Fuel in the oil?🧐 When I got my 4XE new, I did check the oil and the level was high, thinking the factory overfilled. After the first oil change, again the level was high, blaming the dealer. One week ago I changed the oil myself, warming up the engine first, to make sure all oil would get drained. I added exactly 5 quarts (4,73 liters), checked the oil level and guess what: the oil level was high again on the dipstick. So IMHO there can only be 2 reasons: 1.) The Jeep recommended 5 quarts is incorrect or 2.) The dipstick is not the correct size. Also: how can there be fuel mixed with oil after the oil change, driving 20 km?
Thanks for sharing, very curious. Just checked oil level, same deal…way high…like an inch ish (eyeball measurement). Best guesstimate is 1000-1200 engine miles since last change, 75% life left. Oil is clean, smells like oil…no heavy gas odor. I’ll do like you, changing it tomorrow. I’ll also pull a sample and send out to Blackstone Labs to test.
Too many issues with the 4XE. I am not happy. What do I do if my oil smells of gas? The oil was changed 6 weeks ago and is at 0% oil life plus I'm in FORM. I can't be changing the oil all the time.
That sounds like you need to get that checked out. That's more than just a basic change oil problem. I'd get that checked out. That's worse than his ♤ case.
Interesting and great timing! My 4xe is also coming up on 2 years but, I dont drive it very far. I run "Valvoline Extended Protection Premium Full Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil" in it. I dont drive it very far and I have only put about 3k miles on it in about 4 months. 50% or better of miles are electric and the gas miles come usually all at once because offroading and trips. FORM just came on recently and I had actually ordered the oil and filter (I do them myself) because it was coming up on 6 months, and 3-5k is usually where I like to do it. 33% oil life left on dash. Oil is cheap, maintenance you can do yourself is cheap, engines and mechanics not so much. I went out and checked my level and it was WAY higher then it should be. Now, I replaced the oil on both of my vehicles at the same time (one is a 2106 Expedition that we use for towing and hauling around kids from time to time) and I WFH thus low miles, and it's oil was darker but at the appropriate level. So clearly my 4xe oil is diluted. This was a very informative video. Probably 4xe owners should be checking oil monthly / regularly so they can get in tune with how it is doing.
I had a pretty bad oil dilution issue too in the last couple weeks, only I noticed it because I had an oil leak and went to check and noticed I had way too much oil then sniffed it and realized it REEKED of gas. I did not have any issue with dilution last winter but I did have form for a week or so. I think this last update did something to tune down that FORM software trigger, but in a way that may have overdone it in the other direction. My solution is that I've got some of those deform grill covers coming to help keep the oil temps high enough in the winter and do oil changes at around 2-3k miles over the winters.
So had a busy weekend volunteering and the Jeep was in the garage. Just got home and reminded by my wife to check the oil level. See my second comment. This is not good my friend.
FORM began plaguing me since 1500 miles. It activates with 80% battery left. I tried 91 octane. I depleted the battery and gas to almost empty, hoping it resets. Im done experimenting. With 2300 miles, hum “Dealer, this is still your problem.”
Why are you upping your octane for an engine that only takes 87. Your engine will pipe it down automatically. Your literally burning money. Stop. You shouldn't be running 91 anyway. It probably making your problem worse.
After watching this video, I checked our 2022 4xe Rubicon. Oil was changed by dealer on November 16 2022, 2200 miles ago. Best guess, 50% of these miles are electric only. Like yours, ours is way above the full mark, approximately the same distance above as the length of the hash mark on the stick (distance between full and fill line)…if not more. This is a major concern. PS oil life is at 75%
I am changing the oil today myself after reporting findings to the local dealer (with photos), who changed it. I ordered an oil analysis kit from Blackstone. My oil does not have a strong gas odor.
Quick follow up for you, please share. After speaking with my dealers service manager today, he asked if there was any possible way I could bring the Jeep in for them to see. They wanted to measure exactly how much oil (fluid), was in the engine, provide me with a sample as I requested (sending to Blackstone for analysis), and conduct the service at no charge. I agreed, here are the results: 4.9 quarts came out (30 minutes allowed for draining). Exactly 5 quarts of new oil added with new filter. Engine was then started for 1 minute and allowed 5 minutes to sit before checking the dip stick. Measure was dead on full line. When I brought it home, I parked in the garage. I allowed it to sit and cool for one hour. I just checked the level and it’s back where it was…up to the bend in the stick 🤦🏻♂️
Hmmmm. Those of us in FORM all the time don’t have the same dilution issue? Maybe this is all a test. Maybe Jeep released half the 4XEs to be in FORM all winter and some to barely ever go into FORM and see which is best in the long run. I’ll take off my tinfoil hat now.
Don't know if this is something to ask here but has anyone put a catch can on the 2.0 turbo? Being a DI engine does it work? I put one on my Ford 3.5 and it seems to work catching fluid blow by. I have a 2022 Grand Cherokee 4xe. Like your channel. thanks
Ok. This is something I’ve been wanting to know more about and how it relates to the use of a “catch can”. Is this the application or is it totally unrelated and I’m way off?… Thanks again for the needed flow of info on the 4xe!😇
A catch can would help the issue but wouldn’t avoid FORM. FORM is software based and doesn’t use any sensors to detect oil dilution. So a catch can would help with the physical issue but wouldn’t change what the software is doing in the background.
You NEED to actually need to get the Engine running to 3000 rpm or greater every few days. Also you need to change your oil every 5000 regardless of the manufacturer. Your changing your oil way to late. I'm an actual mechanic. 10k for a oil change is way to long.
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Never had FORM. Except long trips on holiday and occasional week-ends I drive mostly electric. Had a scheduled 15.000 km oil change mid December, not so long ago. Since then, mostly electric trips, but I would trigger the ICE on occasion forced to mash on the throttle harder. Not very often but it happened. Otherwise I would run the engine at least 20-25 minutes. No long trips lately either, to have a chance to evaporate the gas. The result, according to the level on the dipstick, I had, alsmot 1l of gas in the oil, and a strong smell. I was wrong to asume that because I did not have short trips often and no FORM, all is good. The fact I do not run the ICE for long periods of time, the gas will acumulate in the oil, even if you do your best to avoid short runs. I did about 100 km of driving in one go with the ICE, that reduced it in half.
Is still pretty cold,.I have a long trip planned in about 3 weeks. Just before that I will do an oil change, and the weather should improve as well.
Thank you for the. video, I plan to keep this car for at least 5 years and 150 k km, so. this is important. I will be a lot more careful and inspect the oil more often in the Winter.
One of ours is at dealer with this issue and has star report going with jeep. Our second 4xe after picking up from jeep for software update and oil change. Drove 30 miles, miles, and the engine light came on, popped up to change oil again. I then checked oil level and was over full by 1/2in above full and smelled of light gas. First jeep smelled like gas tank and dipstick we about 2 inches over full mark. We are waiting on engineers to update star report to solution but both 4xes are down.
I change the oil every 5000. I have noticed that it's high level on the dipstick.
all these little issues that keep popping up just make me think the 4xe isn’t ready for prime time.
form, no electric in cold, oil dilution. as interested as i am about ev, and with as many short trips that i have, i would be in all ev mode (potentially i guess). with no major runs now that volleyball season is ending…would have zero way of fixing any dilution/form issues without doing the oil changes every 5k miles that i do now anyhow
⚠Fuel in the oil?🧐
When I got my 4XE new, I did check the oil and the level was high, thinking the factory overfilled. After the first oil change, again the level was high, blaming the dealer. One week ago I changed the oil myself, warming up the engine first, to make sure all oil would get drained. I added exactly 5 quarts (4,73 liters), checked the oil level and guess what: the oil level was high again on the dipstick. So IMHO there can only be 2 reasons: 1.) The Jeep recommended 5 quarts is incorrect or 2.) The dipstick is not the correct size. Also: how can there be fuel mixed with oil after the oil change, driving 20 km?
Thanks for sharing, very curious. Just checked oil level, same deal…way high…like an inch ish (eyeball measurement). Best guesstimate is 1000-1200 engine miles since last change, 75% life left. Oil is clean, smells like oil…no heavy gas odor. I’ll do like you, changing it tomorrow. I’ll also pull a sample and send out to Blackstone Labs to test.
Too many issues with the 4XE. I am not happy. What do I do if my oil smells of gas? The oil was changed 6 weeks ago and is at 0% oil life plus I'm in FORM. I can't be changing the oil all the time.
That sounds like you need to get that checked out. That's more than just a basic change oil problem. I'd get that checked out. That's worse than his ♤ case.
@@zachv1942 I took it in and they had no clue what to do.
@tml184 that they would tell you. Service Writer does not want any warranty work. They loose money.
Interesting and great timing! My 4xe is also coming up on 2 years but, I dont drive it very far. I run "Valvoline Extended Protection Premium Full Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil" in it. I dont drive it very far and I have only put about 3k miles on it in about 4 months. 50% or better of miles are electric and the gas miles come usually all at once because offroading and trips. FORM just came on recently and I had actually ordered the oil and filter (I do them myself) because it was coming up on 6 months, and 3-5k is usually where I like to do it. 33% oil life left on dash. Oil is cheap, maintenance you can do yourself is cheap, engines and mechanics not so much. I went out and checked my level and it was WAY higher then it should be. Now, I replaced the oil on both of my vehicles at the same time (one is a 2106 Expedition that we use for towing and hauling around kids from time to time) and I WFH thus low miles, and it's oil was darker but at the appropriate level. So clearly my 4xe oil is diluted. This was a very informative video. Probably 4xe owners should be checking oil monthly / regularly so they can get in tune with how it is doing.
I had a pretty bad oil dilution issue too in the last couple weeks, only I noticed it because I had an oil leak and went to check and noticed I had way too much oil then sniffed it and realized it REEKED of gas. I did not have any issue with dilution last winter but I did have form for a week or so. I think this last update did something to tune down that FORM software trigger, but in a way that may have overdone it in the other direction. My solution is that I've got some of those deform grill covers coming to help keep the oil temps high enough in the winter and do oil changes at around 2-3k miles over the winters.
Another excellent video sir
So had a busy weekend volunteering and the Jeep was in the garage. Just got home and reminded by my wife to check the oil level. See my second comment. This is not good my friend.
FORM began plaguing me since 1500 miles. It activates with 80% battery left. I tried 91 octane. I depleted the battery and gas to almost empty, hoping it resets.
Im done experimenting.
With 2300 miles, hum “Dealer, this is still your problem.”
Why are you upping your octane for an engine that only takes 87. Your engine will pipe it down automatically. Your literally burning money. Stop. You shouldn't be running 91 anyway. It probably making your problem worse.
After watching this video, I checked our 2022 4xe Rubicon. Oil was changed by dealer on November 16 2022, 2200 miles ago. Best guess, 50% of these miles are electric only. Like yours, ours is way above the full mark, approximately the same distance above as the length of the hash mark on the stick (distance between full and fill line)…if not more. This is a major concern. PS oil life is at 75%
I sure wish I had a better understanding, that’s for sure.
I am changing the oil today myself after reporting findings to the local dealer (with photos), who changed it. I ordered an oil analysis kit from Blackstone. My oil does not have a strong gas odor.
Quick follow up for you, please share. After speaking with my dealers service manager today, he asked if there was any possible way I could bring the Jeep in for them to see. They wanted to measure exactly how much oil (fluid), was in the engine, provide me with a sample as I requested (sending to Blackstone for analysis), and conduct the service at no charge. I agreed, here are the results: 4.9 quarts came out (30 minutes allowed for draining). Exactly 5 quarts of new oil added with new filter. Engine was then started for 1 minute and allowed 5 minutes to sit before checking the dip stick. Measure was dead on full line. When I brought it home, I parked in the garage. I allowed it to sit and cool for one hour. I just checked the level and it’s back where it was…up to the bend in the stick 🤦🏻♂️
@@billwaterhouse5894 You’ve got a head scratcher there.
Yes sir, that’s for sure. Maybe check yours?
Good point . I've been in FORM most of the winter and having the rapid oil life issue. But my oil levels are always good nothing ever extremely high
My oil life went to 0% in 4 weeks after an oil change. Is that what happened to you? It keeps telling me it needs an oil change but that's crazy.
@@tml184 that is a software issue. You can get a the lastest TSB software update should fix that
@@kevinstorimans2913 what is TSB?
@@tml184 technical service bulletin
Hmmmm. Those of us in FORM all the time don’t have the same dilution issue? Maybe this is all a test. Maybe Jeep released half the 4XEs to be in FORM all winter and some to barely ever go into FORM and see which is best in the long run. I’ll take off my tinfoil hat now.
It would explain a lot though.
Don't know if this is something to ask here but has anyone put a catch can on the 2.0 turbo? Being a DI engine does it work? I put one on my Ford 3.5 and it seems to work catching fluid blow by. I have a 2022 Grand Cherokee 4xe. Like your channel. thanks
Ok. This is something I’ve been wanting to know more about and how it relates to the use of a “catch can”. Is this the application or is it totally unrelated and I’m way off?… Thanks again for the needed flow of info on the 4xe!😇
A catch can would help the issue but wouldn’t avoid FORM. FORM is software based and doesn’t use any sensors to detect oil dilution. So a catch can would help with the physical issue but wouldn’t change what the software is doing in the background.
You NEED to actually need to get the Engine running to 3000 rpm or greater every few days. Also you need to change your oil every 5000 regardless of the manufacturer. Your changing your oil way to late. I'm an actual mechanic. 10k for a oil change is way to long.
I change mine every 3K