I have a '24 I just picked up less than a week ago. By day 3 I had "electric mode temporarily unavailable". I'm pretty sure it's because of several short (less than 10 minute) errands over 3 days. I had to let the oil heat to 190f for a few minutes to get electric mode back. Now I keep it in e-save until it fully warms up, then switch to hybrid and let it do its thing. This was between 15-30f.
EMTU is a different state than FORM. EMTU is actually a proper response when the outside temperature reaches 5F/-15C. That's actually what proper operation should look like. However, a lot of 4XEs will display FORM instead of EMTU.
If you talk about temperature. Im always park outside, no garage. A outside temp of -12c engine start no matter what. I remote start the engine like 5 min before I leave. Drop the kids and the wife at work then go to my work. Total run time of the engine aprox 20-25 min. I do have deform this years. After a few day of this scenario, i will eventually be in form. That form wont clear unless my oil is over 93c between 30 min to 2h30. Then back to that same cycle. On top of it the oil going to 0% 2-3 week after in form if i dont clear it. Great car in summer month as an EV, dont like short distance and extreme Alberta cold in the winter.
I run in electric mode to and from work which allows for a heavier foot on the gas pedal without turning the motor on. When battery runs out I switch to esave mode and have allow battery charging in esave settings. This makes the motor stay on with the battery a certain level below 100%. Running in these two modes keeps it out of FORM.
I don’t always use eSave but I will pull the shifter over to the left at stop signs and stop lights during the winter to keep the engine running and avoid those short engine runs. Sure seems like that helps.
Watching your videos cause my Renegade 4xe showed FORM a month ago. It finally informed me to get an oil change so I did. It helped. Now a month later it shows me the FORM message again. It is very cold here right now (-10 Celsius) and I've NOT been driving hybrid since Christmas. When the snow and Ice clears from the roads I'll take it across country and see if it helps.
WE shouldn't have to take the Jeep on a long drive for no reason. Jeep blew it with this issue. I'm in FORM and my oil life went from 97% to 0% after only 2 weeks of getting an oil change. Ridiculous.
Did your oil life go to 0% during FORM? MIne went from 97% to 0% after only 2 weeks of getting an oil change. Now it says I need another oil change!!!!! After 2 weeks??? I drove it 200 km only.
This truck is such a piece is shit. I’ve had it since October and it’s down this 4 times. Today was the day I went to the dealership and broke the lease and I have to pay 6 grand since they depreciate so much but I don’t care. I hate this thing so much
I just got mine and only put around 400km on it. It decided to go into FORM, so I slapped the diesel grille winter cover on it. Took it for a 1 hour spin and it was gone. I’m not sure if buying this vehicle was a mistake, considering I live in Manitoba. But I guess I’ll see. So far I’m quite liking it.
@@TheSaabzternater it helped some. I mean I got nothing to compare with. But I’m happy with therapy it worked out so far. Living in Manitoba it does get quite cold. Had FORM a few times but got out of it quick.
So true. But what has happened to some 4XE owners is that the crack has happened really quickly after start up. With a regular heater core, there’s at least a little bit of a ramp up time.
My oil since last winter when in form goes to 0% after 2-3 week in form. Was not an issue on the first winter, so I assume one of the update is the cause. No fix for now so will probably happen again 😞 I'm always in form all winter sadly due to short engine run and extreme cold temperature and I'm ok with that. Just don't like the oil change issue.
You are one of the lucky ones that didn't get a lemon. Mine is always in FORM. My oil life went from 97% to 0% after only 2 weeks of getting an oil change. Now it tells me I need an oil change. After 2 weeks??????
There was an update that was supposed to fix the excessive oil life thing. Makes me wonder if yours has that update. The service people may see something that tells them it’s all updated but there can be missing updates.
@@tml184 I had the issue with the latching eselect update. The service department I normally went to kept saying everything was up to date. I kept asking about the specific update and they always said “everything is up to date.” I don’t fault them, mind you, they were going off what they knew. I took it to a different dealership for another issue and mentioned the update being missing. The tech at that garage knew what I was talking about and knew how to get that update loaded.
@@Wrangler4XEFans since October it’s been in FORM 5 times. We bought it because my wife works 2 miles from the house. So the truck senses that the gas in the tank will go stale. So we haven’t plugged it in the last week and I’ve been driving it to work which is 15 miles each direction. Last night we plugged it in and this morning the FORM light comes on and she’s stuck driving it in ICE. It makes no sense at all. Plus multiple electrical issues like memory seats reset after a week, display screen glitches and disconnects the blue tooth, auto trunk stopped working, auto dimming displayed never worked since we got it. And to top it off since is so extremely underpowered, when you drive in ICE I average 17 miles per gallon. So once paperwork is signed, I’m done with it and Jeep. Those cars a built like shit anyway
It’s also a 68 thousand dollar truck and the inside is so cheap. It’s more than my E class and it’s made like crap. My wife felt like it was a good deal since there were government rebates but it wasn’t worth it.
@@edgraziani5019 There are 3 things that will cause FORM. There’s the 90 day timer on the gas tank since the last fill up, there’s a timer on the engine since the last start and there’s an oil dilution algorithm. I would have to guess that it was due to the oil dilution software and wasn’t due to the timers on the gas or the engine. Were you using hybrid mode a lot instead of electric mode? Depending on your case use, leaving it in hybrid mode can cause a lot of short engine runs. Unfortunately, with Direct Injection engines, those short engine runs can lead to oil dilution.
@@Wrangler4XEFans since Thursday I’ve driven it in just ICE and we haven’t plugged it in. I drive a total of 30 miles round trip for 5 days. And then we plugged it in and it went back into FORM. What’s annoying is that this is the 5th time in 3 months. WTH is the point of it then.
I had a nightmare with going into FORM and no matter what I did it just continued to happen. Then I got an update it was call Satisfaction campaign FCA 23A and everything changed all my FORM issues stopped. I have not had FORM sense. I am curious if I will get it in the winter.
I'm going into my 3rd 4xe winter with my 2021 In past years it seems my electric mode unavailable kicks it at -12c. For the most part the vast majority of my driving is done in electric, i rarely use the heater, I use the heated steering and seats. There is a hit in range during the winter, but it's still enough to cover most of my trips
Mine is stuck in FORM, it’s been 2 weeks. Drove close to 100 miles in FORM. Oil was changed 3k miles ago. It’s been cold outside (-10F), but I keep it in the garage all the time. It’s warmer now so I dropped it off for service at the dealer. Let’s see what they find out.
When it’s that cold, there’s really no point to trying to clear FORM. Below 5F, it will be in Electric Mode Temporarily Unavailable anyway. The end result is the same, electric mode will be unavailable. It’s best to wait until it’s at least in the 20s and follow the procedure in the manual to clear FORM.
I picked it up from the dealer a couple days after I dropped it off. They recognized something wasn’t right because it should not have stayed in FORM for that long. The dealer updated some modules and made the problem go away. Just a software update and now FORM is gone, everything went back to normal.
@@tml184 I was just talking to him because I broke my lease today. I couldn’t stand it. In FORM 5 times in 3 months on top of multiple electrical issues. DONE! It’s out of my driveway Monday
How about talking about when you should change your oil, I feel like the Jeep app doesn’t update real time. So, if I don’t trust the electric range on the app, why should I trust the oil life left?
There is an oil percentage gauge in the center screen on the dash. Use the arrow buttons to go up to screen 2 then scroll to the right or left. Don’t exceed 10,000 miles between changes no matter what the percentage of oil life says.
@@Wrangler4XEFans ok, thank you for the update! This is helpful! The dealerships don’t understand this, the salesman do not know about this, which I find very frustrating!
It’s just a panel mount, 12 volt LED I got on Amazon. I wired it up to the third tail light so I could see how the brake light triggers with max regen turned on. Brake Light and Reverse Light Indicator Project ruclips.net/video/mlW19BgaMlY/видео.html
Thank you for all your information, it's always helpful. And every time I see that red brake light, I want one!
I have a '24 I just picked up less than a week ago. By day 3 I had "electric mode temporarily unavailable". I'm pretty sure it's because of several short (less than 10 minute) errands over 3 days. I had to let the oil heat to 190f for a few minutes to get electric mode back. Now I keep it in e-save until it fully warms up, then switch to hybrid and let it do its thing. This was between 15-30f.
EMTU is a different state than FORM. EMTU is actually a proper response when the outside temperature reaches 5F/-15C. That's actually what proper operation should look like. However, a lot of 4XEs will display FORM instead of EMTU.
If you talk about temperature. Im always park outside, no garage. A outside temp of -12c engine start no matter what. I remote start the engine like 5 min before I leave. Drop the kids and the wife at work then go to my work. Total run time of the engine aprox 20-25 min. I do have deform this years. After a few day of this scenario, i will eventually be in form.
That form wont clear unless my oil is over 93c between 30 min to 2h30. Then back to that same cycle.
On top of it the oil going to 0% 2-3 week after in form if i dont clear it.
Great car in summer month as an EV, dont like short distance and extreme Alberta cold in the winter.
I run in electric mode to and from work which allows for a heavier foot on the gas pedal without turning the motor on. When battery runs out I switch to esave mode and have allow battery charging in esave settings. This makes the motor stay on with the battery a certain level below 100%. Running in these two modes keeps it out of FORM.
I don’t always use eSave but I will pull the shifter over to the left at stop signs and stop lights during the winter to keep the engine running and avoid those short engine runs. Sure seems like that helps.
You guys are over thinking and overdoing. You're literally fighting against the system.
Watching your videos cause my Renegade 4xe showed FORM a month ago. It finally informed me to get an oil change so I did. It helped. Now a month later it shows me the FORM message again. It is very cold here right now (-10 Celsius) and I've NOT been driving hybrid since Christmas. When the snow and Ice clears from the roads I'll take it across country and see if it helps.
WE shouldn't have to take the Jeep on a long drive for no reason. Jeep blew it with this issue. I'm in FORM and my oil life went from 97% to 0% after only 2 weeks of getting an oil change. Ridiculous.
Did your oil life go to 0% during FORM? MIne went from 97% to 0% after only 2 weeks of getting an oil change. Now it says I need another oil change!!!!! After 2 weeks??? I drove it 200 km only.
This truck is such a piece is shit. I’ve had it since October and it’s down this 4 times. Today was the day I went to the dealership and broke the lease and I have to pay 6 grand since they depreciate so much but I don’t care. I hate this thing so much
I have a 2024 and haven't run on electric for 2 months already
I just got mine and only put around 400km on it. It decided to go into FORM, so I slapped the diesel grille winter cover on it. Took it for a 1 hour spin and it was gone. I’m not sure if buying this vehicle was a mistake, considering I live in Manitoba. But I guess I’ll see. So far I’m quite liking it.
Hey did the grill help over the winter months for staying out of form?
@@TheSaabzternater it helped some. I mean I got nothing to compare with. But I’m happy with therapy it worked out so far. Living in Manitoba it does get quite cold. Had FORM a few times but got out of it quick.
@@TheSaabzternater -15c this morning, after the engine warmed up, electric worked. No FORM.
Windshield cracking from running defrost too hot can happen with any vehicle when temps get really low.
So true. But what has happened to some 4XE owners is that the crack has happened really quickly after start up. With a regular heater core, there’s at least a little bit of a ramp up time.
My oil since last winter when in form goes to 0% after 2-3 week in form. Was not an issue on the first winter, so I assume one of the update is the cause. No fix for now so will probably happen again 😞
I'm always in form all winter sadly due to short engine run and extreme cold temperature and I'm ok with that. Just don't like the oil change issue.
I have the same. Do we just ignore the 0% oil life message?
You are one of the lucky ones that didn't get a lemon. Mine is always in FORM. My oil life went from 97% to 0% after only 2 weeks of getting an oil change. Now it tells me I need an oil change. After 2 weeks??????
There was an update that was supposed to fix the excessive oil life thing. Makes me wonder if yours has that update. The service people may see something that tells them it’s all updated but there can be missing updates.
@@Wrangler4XEFans I am taking it in tomorrow and will ask about the update. Thanks.
@@tml184 I had the issue with the latching eselect update. The service department I normally went to kept saying everything was up to date. I kept asking about the specific update and they always said “everything is up to date.” I don’t fault them, mind you, they were going off what they knew.
I took it to a different dealership for another issue and mentioned the update being missing. The tech at that garage knew what I was talking about and knew how to get that update loaded.
@@Wrangler4XEFans I hope my dealership has the right updates.
I hate mine, had it since October and I broke the lease today! Im so happy I’m done with this piece. Back to an ICE and I won’t go back
What was wrong with it?
@@Wrangler4XEFans since October it’s been in FORM 5 times. We bought it because my wife works 2 miles from the house. So the truck senses that the gas in the tank will go stale. So we haven’t plugged it in the last week and I’ve been driving it to work which is 15 miles each direction. Last night we plugged it in and this morning the FORM light comes on and she’s stuck driving it in ICE. It makes no sense at all. Plus multiple electrical issues like memory seats reset after a week, display screen glitches and disconnects the blue tooth, auto trunk stopped working, auto dimming displayed never worked since we got it. And to top it off since is so extremely underpowered, when you drive in ICE I average 17 miles per gallon. So once paperwork is signed, I’m done with it and Jeep. Those cars a built like shit anyway
It’s also a 68 thousand dollar truck and the inside is so cheap. It’s more than my E class and it’s made like crap. My wife felt like it was a good deal since there were government rebates but it wasn’t worth it.
@@edgraziani5019 There are 3 things that will cause FORM. There’s the 90 day timer on the gas tank since the last fill up, there’s a timer on the engine since the last start and there’s an oil dilution algorithm. I would have to guess that it was due to the oil dilution software and wasn’t due to the timers on the gas or the engine. Were you using hybrid mode a lot instead of electric mode? Depending on your case use, leaving it in hybrid mode can cause a lot of short engine runs. Unfortunately, with Direct Injection engines, those short engine runs can lead to oil dilution.
@@Wrangler4XEFans since Thursday I’ve driven it in just ICE and we haven’t plugged it in. I drive a total of 30 miles round trip for 5 days. And then we plugged it in and it went back into FORM. What’s annoying is that this is the 5th time in 3 months. WTH is the point of it then.
I had a nightmare with going into FORM and no matter what I did it just continued to happen. Then I got an update it was call Satisfaction campaign FCA 23A and everything changed all my FORM issues stopped. I have not had FORM sense. I am curious if I will get it in the winter.
It will go into FORM when it gets cold. That's what happens to mine. Total crap.
I'm going into my 3rd 4xe winter with my 2021
In past years it seems my electric mode unavailable kicks it at -12c.
For the most part the vast majority of my driving is done in electric, i rarely use the heater, I use the heated steering and seats. There is a hit in range during the winter, but it's still enough to cover most of my trips
Mine is stuck in FORM, it’s been 2 weeks. Drove close to 100 miles in FORM. Oil was changed 3k miles ago. It’s been cold outside (-10F), but I keep it in the garage all the time.
It’s warmer now so I dropped it off for service at the dealer. Let’s see what they find out.
When it’s that cold, there’s really no point to trying to clear FORM. Below 5F, it will be in Electric Mode Temporarily Unavailable anyway. The end result is the same, electric mode will be unavailable. It’s best to wait until it’s at least in the 20s and follow the procedure in the manual to clear FORM.
I picked it up from the dealer a couple days after I dropped it off. They recognized something wasn’t right because it should not have stayed in FORM for that long. The dealer updated some modules and made the problem go away. Just a software update and now FORM is gone, everything went back to normal.
how many miles do you have on your jeep , i got mines around the same time you did
I’m at 51,000 miles.
@@Wrangler4XEFans You drive it a lot and that's why you don't tend to have the issues like FORM and oil life like the rest of us.
@@tml184 I was just talking to him because I broke my lease today. I couldn’t stand it. In FORM 5 times in 3 months on top of multiple electrical issues. DONE! It’s out of my driveway Monday
How about talking about when you should change your oil, I feel like the Jeep app doesn’t update real time. So, if I don’t trust the electric range on the app, why should I trust the oil life left?
There is an oil percentage gauge in the center screen on the dash. Use the arrow buttons to go up to screen 2 then scroll to the right or left. Don’t exceed 10,000 miles between changes no matter what the percentage of oil life says.
@@Wrangler4XEFans ok, thank you for the update! This is helpful! The dealerships don’t understand this, the salesman do not know about this, which I find very frustrating!
Hey what's up with that interior brake light? I have a 2021 4xe and I don't have that brake light, is yours stock or aftermarket?
It’s just a panel mount, 12 volt LED I got on Amazon. I wired it up to the third tail light so I could see how the brake light triggers with max regen turned on.
Brake Light and Reverse Light Indicator Project
ruclips.net/video/mlW19BgaMlY/видео.html