You'd think a car guy this serious would understand how the O2 system works which would have prevented installing the spacers in the wrong position. The P0420 code is catalyst efficiency below threshold, which is determined by the downstream sensor reporting too little oxygen/too much fuel bypassing the catalyst. This was potentially the biggest issue in that it primarily uses the upstream sensor (which is a wideband) to determine if the car is running too rich or lean. Spacing it out was sending the ECU an abnormally lean condition which means the engine was running way fat to compensate. The exhaust headers also had a leak, evidenced by the excessive carbon blowing around the flange, you can see the huge black area under the engine next to the exhaust ports on the head. The belt could have walked over from high rpm and an inadequate tensioner or poor alignment of components. It likely did not get installed this way at the factory.
In before there was a massive recall for the RTV... You'd think people who had an interest or passion in something wouldn't know everything the minute they popped out of the womb...but I guess you were built different.
@@lengerer Best bet engineers thought that the amount of RTV what good and miscalculated how much to actually put on. Maybe they though that since the RTV is the gasket might as well add more than less. in this case too much.
I'm leaning towards the sealant. That is something that you wouldn't know until after a few blown up engines on other cars. Once it is known you still have to remove the oil pan, inspect the oil pickup tube and reseal. The belt is something you can see and easily fix. I feel bad for all of the people who had their engines blow up due to oil starvation.
@@triplemag124 Would love to see all the blown engines that randoms are claiming. Between the two largest forums and reddit, I've seen two situations of a blown engine with only one them being 100% tied to the oil starvation. There is definitely a problem present and I would hope Subaru/Toyota address it, but the reality is that the drain is designed in a manner that it will likely be partially blocked, not completely.
If you live in the rust belt (which I am not sure if you do), you may want to coat those O2 sensor spacers with a high temperature coating. I used those exact spacers on a vehicle that recieves 20,000 rust belt miles per year, and after 1 year of installation, the spacers were completely rusted out. I decided to buy a pre-coated one this time around though
@@ElementalSoldier1 new to car, but the RTV is the same substance he put it back on when he try to put it back? so basically the manufacture put exceed amount of RTV when they install it and it leak into the oil?
@@anhnnguyen7444 Correct, the manufacture originally puts RTV as a sealant for oil leaks, and well the uploader seems to have added, just in my opinion, the same amount of oil that causes the original issue of blocking the oil pick up screen with RTV. Of course aftermarket solution could exist such as gaskets, but RTV is great for imperfections in the manufacturing process.
Bottom line is that almost no sealant really found it's way into the motor, so no harm was done, and I don't think any more sealant would have. I do see how many BRZs like these will suffer from oil leaks cause people didn't put enough sealant after putting things back together. Shame on you Subaru for not designing a proper seal.
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Crazy how much there slapping on at the factory. Idk how that wasn’t caught in R&D testing and assembly of the motor. And I can imagine there gonna have to put a TSB out about it.
Oh damn, I literally have nightmares of my evo x oil pan when I jacked the car up on my oil pan and destroyed it. Taking off that gasket was terrible. Although I ended up upgrading the pan
I did a (partial) reseal of the EJ253 on my '06 Forester, including the oil pan. I am a complete novice when it comes to working on cars but even I KNOW that was about 3-5x the amount of sealant you need for that oil pan.
Why she so self conscious? She has been in videos before and she's a good looking girl. The belt I'd take back to dealership and get warranty repair. If it keeps chewing itself up you could probably have a case for lemon law. Just my 2 cents.
I can believe it, haven’t driven a well put together Subaru since the early 2000’s. They’ve been cheaping out on their motors since the Hawkeye year at least
That is way bigger than the spec size bead of sealant that's supposed to be applied and a good amount of it isn't even in the right position. Also the pan bolts weren't tightened in the correct order and I'm pretty sure your drill was going over the torque spec. That stuff is going to be squeezed out everywhere. Not to mention the way in which the pan was removed and cleaned could've cause scratches to the surfaces that could allow leaks.
Why wouldn't you decide to replace your serpentine belt the moment you saw it was off a tooth instead of considering using it further. It was already obviously damaged the first time you saw it.
As someone who spent a long time working on cars professionally, I don't think that is particularly excessive RTV other than the trailing edge which is really heavy. If you pull an oil pan off of a brand new car from pretty much every single OEM you will find a similar amount of RTV. The bigger issue in my opinion is using the funnel style pick-up tube instead of a flared style one with more surface area of filtering. Also that belt is a huge fuck up.
Wow, this is ridiculous for a Toyota/Baru. Why did they do this? Clowns over at assembly. Buddy, I bought a 2013 Camaro ZL1 back in 2012. 10 years of ownership and 147k miles later and 760rwhp, the only problems I've had were bad TPMS sensor and original battery went bad in 2019. It sees track use four times per year. Car doesn't have any rattling or build quality issues I typically see in GM vehicles. The cam is rowdy but it's still smooth if that makes sense. I'm typically a Toyota guy but the Camaros and Corvettes have treated me well. Best god damn engines in my opinion. Those LS engines. Hey pal, you couldn't pay me to buy a Supra or GR Toyota. The Supra's fake vents are the biggest travesty. Currently waiting on my C8 Z06, buddy.
It's really unfortunate that such a promising motor was released with so many issues! Hopefully they can fix it later on because I absolutely love these cars 😥
I expected nothing but this from a new Subaru boxer motor and why I was so pissed it got put in the new GR86. The more I look at the internals in these cars the more they look like cheaply made economy cars rather than full priced sports cars….
Subaru tech here. Not surprised about a little rtv in the pickup. They use that much sealant with all of their motors. This one just cares a bit more. As for the belt that's just a L
I had the same issue with my ka24e nissan hardbody. It had an annoying timing chain rattle from factory so the front cover was probably re sealed a few times trying to fix that thinking it was just a bad chain guide. Last owner used way to much RTV and it clogged the oil pickup. On the highway it started bogging really bad and actually stalled the engine. Spun a bearing and toasted the crank. Rebuilt the KA for pretty cheap after finding a good crank but yeah rtv in the pickup is bad news. The fix for the rattle is a ratcheting tensioner like it should have had from day one.
I am not mechanically inclined so sadly my first clue of improperly installed belt would be belt failure. I hope the documentation of this would get a free belt from Subaru since you did not charge them a fee for diagnosing the problem!
Mate I got a Evo 8, I maintain it well and so far it ain't skipped a beat . . . I drive it hard, but never disrespect it. My brother bought a d spec 2003 WRX Sti, it's got half the miles my car has on it because it's always broken and he is fastidious about maintenance and drives like an old women (no offence to little old women). We bought both of them new around the same time.
I’ll never buy a car that’s just recently gone into production, this stuff always happens until they have hundreds of customers come back with their day ruined and then heads roll until all the bugs are ironed out in parts design and production processes. The last years of a model run are always the most reliable.
the brake cleaner canister should last you a while. I work at a dealership and all the technicians have one and have had them for years now. I’m pretty sure You can modify the tip to make it spray more aggressive
Wtf.... That's insane. Devin got scammed even when buying a new car! All jokes aside thou.... wtf is happening with Subarus.. This is absolutely insane how they sell those as new cars in this condition!
So, why not BRZ/GR86 owners invest in a good oil pressure gauge like Defi or Greddy to keep oil pressure always on check.... once you see it on the low side then you can check suspect number 1 .... RTV sealant
You'd think a car guy this serious would understand how the O2 system works which would have prevented installing the spacers in the wrong position. The P0420 code is catalyst efficiency below threshold, which is determined by the downstream sensor reporting too little oxygen/too much fuel bypassing the catalyst. This was potentially the biggest issue in that it primarily uses the upstream sensor (which is a wideband) to determine if the car is running too rich or lean. Spacing it out was sending the ECU an abnormally lean condition which means the engine was running way fat to compensate. The exhaust headers also had a leak, evidenced by the excessive carbon blowing around the flange, you can see the huge black area under the engine next to the exhaust ports on the head. The belt could have walked over from high rpm and an inadequate tensioner or poor alignment of components. It likely did not get installed this way at the factory.
Any explanation for excessive oil pan sealant?
@@lengerer new guy on the job? I dunno.
In before there was a massive recall for the RTV...
You'd think people who had an interest or passion in something wouldn't know everything the minute they popped out of the womb...but I guess you were built different.
@@lengerer Best bet engineers thought that the amount of RTV what good and miscalculated how much to actually put on. Maybe they though that since the RTV is the gasket might as well add more than less. in this case too much.
I'm a car guy and i don't fully understand (yet) how an O2 sensor works, you learn everyday anyway
Not sure which I'm more mad about, the sealant or the belt. I'm leaning towards the belt. Crazy stuff
I'm leaning towards the sealant. That is something that you wouldn't know until after a few blown up engines on other cars. Once it is known you still have to remove the oil pan, inspect the oil pickup tube and reseal. The belt is something you can see and easily fix. I feel bad for all of the people who had their engines blow up due to oil starvation.
@@jonathanb1987 it’s been one, known person, so far.
@@brianb7844 nooooo buddy I've seen atleast 10 different people across forums and IG...only one person threw a fit and they blamed it on drifting lmao
@@triplemag124 Would love to see all the blown engines that randoms are claiming. Between the two largest forums and reddit, I've seen two situations of a blown engine with only one them being 100% tied to the oil starvation. There is definitely a problem present and I would hope Subaru/Toyota address it, but the reality is that the drain is designed in a manner that it will likely be partially blocked, not completely.
They don’t make ‘em like the used to 🤑
Removes factory excess sealant, reinstalls with even more sealant 😂
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.
😂
Right! I was like "oh no what is you doin?"
you should see the valve cover gasket video he did awhile back, practically used a whole tube lol
Putting the "skid plate/belly pan" on after verifying no leaks would have been a good idea...
If you live in the rust belt (which I am not sure if you do), you may want to coat those O2 sensor spacers with a high temperature coating. I used those exact spacers on a vehicle that recieves 20,000 rust belt miles per year, and after 1 year of installation, the spacers were completely rusted out. I decided to buy a pre-coated one this time around though
You put at least, double, maybe triple the amount of sealant on that was needed 😂
That's exactly what i was thinking too, sucks to see him remove it just to make the same issue occur anyways.
@@ElementalSoldier1 new to car, but the RTV is the same substance he put it back on when he try to put it back? so basically the manufacture put exceed amount of RTV when they install it and it leak into the oil?
@@anhnnguyen7444 Correct, the manufacture originally puts RTV as a sealant for oil leaks, and well the uploader seems to have added, just in my opinion, the same amount of oil that causes the original issue of blocking the oil pick up screen with RTV. Of course aftermarket solution could exist such as gaskets, but RTV is great for imperfections in the manufacturing process.
Isn’t there way too much sealant on the pan when re-installing?
Bottom line is that almost no sealant really found it's way into the motor, so no harm was done, and I don't think any more sealant would have.
I do see how many BRZs like these will suffer from oil leaks cause people didn't put enough sealant after putting things back together.
Shame on you Subaru for not designing a proper seal.
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You could send the oil out for analysis to evaluate how much metal the engine is shedding.
No joke, my jaw dropped when I saw those belts. Hoooooly.
you're not alone. my 86 also came with a crooked belt exactly like that which I had to realign on the pulleys
Crazy how much there slapping on at the factory. Idk how that wasn’t caught in R&D testing and assembly of the motor. And I can imagine there gonna have to put a TSB out about it.
The dealerships in NC still continue to act like this issue DOES NOT exist. Insane.
Watching you work this was so fascinating! Wish I had enough brain to do this kinda thing!!!
Sure shot cans are a shop must, and they sell rebuild kits for when you break the little prices over time
imagine if you just used a gasket to put a dang oil pan on. wild concept.
Alot of times those gaskets can leak ive had issues with oil pan gaskets a couple of times.
gaskets can leak which is why some people even put a dab of sealent on gaskets sometimes
RTV is widely used for assembling engines and engine components. If done the proper way, there should not be any problems.
@@thomass8118 until you want it back apart again
Oh damn, I literally have nightmares of my evo x oil pan when I jacked the car up on my oil pan and destroyed it. Taking off that gasket was terrible. Although I ended up upgrading the pan
I did a (partial) reseal of the EJ253 on my '06 Forester, including the oil pan. I am a complete novice when it comes to working on cars but even I KNOW that was about 3-5x the amount of sealant you need for that oil pan.
At 8:40, do you have an exhaust leak at the manifold to head joint? Lots of soot and carbon there...
I think the header he is using is for the last gen BRZ i wouldn't be surprised if that was the cause.
@@GAMERIC5 same header style
100% exhaust leak. My OCD wouldnt allow it, I'd throw the OEM unit back on.
It’s almost like a company maybe named felpro should make a gasket for the oil pan!!!
Ohhhh they do
I didn’t realise the new shop was right next door to the existing one haha, that’s too convenient.
Immediately checked my belt after you checked yours mines at mid 3k miles aswell and in good condition thankfully.
Devin, did you mention this to Subaru?
The RTV issue should be a recall. The belt could be a 'one-off'.
Why she so self conscious? She has been in videos before and she's a good looking girl.
The belt I'd take back to dealership and get warranty repair. If it keeps chewing itself up you could probably have a case for lemon law.
Just my 2 cents.
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You put WAY to much sealant when you reinstalled the pan
No he didnt
@@santouchesantouche2873 Yes he did.
@@DrakeN-ow1im you must love leaks
Just an Accessory belt. Run it til it pops.
I knew this video was coming, kinda expected it to be mentioned in yesterday's video
Subaru needs to get their shit together man... They slippin like that damn belt.
didn’t realize your new shop is right next door that’s insane bro🤘🏽
As a former 1st gen owner, I didn't have any issues in my BRZ. Ended up selling mine for $18,400.00 at around 98k miles.
I would have sent it back that's sick
yep, its sad that they actually allowed this to go into production. great vid!
Man that sucks that the belt is that bad, sounds like a complaint for SOA
Aww I thought this was a full tear down of the engine.
I don't think you should run the car with that belt. It's gonna snap. Insane to think that subaru factory has so little quality control
I can believe it, haven’t driven a well put together Subaru since the early 2000’s. They’ve been cheaping out on their motors since the Hawkeye year at least
@@tempestsquall5882 well personaly I think real subarus ended with the hawkeye
14:27 always respectful to Bobbi 👍.
That is way bigger than the spec size bead of sealant that's supposed to be applied and a good amount of it isn't even in the right position. Also the pan bolts weren't tightened in the correct order and I'm pretty sure your drill was going over the torque spec. That stuff is going to be squeezed out everywhere. Not to mention the way in which the pan was removed and cleaned could've cause scratches to the surfaces that could allow leaks.
I ended up buying a Veloster N instead of a BRZ/GR86 as a new car and honestly with the quality control problems I've been seeing im glad I did.
Why wouldn't you decide to replace your serpentine belt the moment you saw it was off a tooth instead of considering using it further. It was already obviously damaged the first time you saw it.
My thoughts exactly. And he put just as much sealant on that sump as it had originally!🤣🤣
Lil Bobby is bangin 😛
I wonder if in the future will they make oil pan gaskets ??? Or
As someone who spent a long time working on cars professionally, I don't think that is particularly excessive RTV other than the trailing edge which is really heavy. If you pull an oil pan off of a brand new car from pretty much every single OEM you will find a similar amount of RTV. The bigger issue in my opinion is using the funnel style pick-up tube instead of a flared style one with more surface area of filtering. Also that belt is a huge fuck up.
Wow, it’s like watching Jimmy Oakes’s Chanel 😂😂
Bobby and her sister are pretty. You're a lucky man.
Should I be worried about this with my 22 WRX? Can’t hurt I guess
Selll it and get a Va
You have a warranty fam, relax.
@@FMedia-bb6gf could've gotten an STI limited for the same price honestly
You have a Subaru you should be worried…
If it’s not the rods it’s the ring land failure
Absolutely. The same guy that designed it built the motor in those things.
Wow, this is ridiculous for a Toyota/Baru. Why did they do this? Clowns over at assembly. Buddy, I bought a 2013 Camaro ZL1 back in 2012. 10 years of ownership and 147k miles later and 760rwhp, the only problems I've had were bad TPMS sensor and original battery went bad in 2019. It sees track use four times per year. Car doesn't have any rattling or build quality issues I typically see in GM vehicles. The cam is rowdy but it's still smooth if that makes sense. I'm typically a Toyota guy but the Camaros and Corvettes have treated me well. Best god damn engines in my opinion. Those LS engines. Hey pal, you couldn't pay me to buy a Supra or GR Toyota. The Supra's fake vents are the biggest travesty. Currently waiting on my C8 Z06, buddy.
That shows you how fast Japan was trying to crank them out for consumers, but now they have this issue
I definitely need to check my belt and oil pan thanks for the insight on the matter
Wow Subaru, really...
That Evo IV though! 😍
Please spend the extra for an OEM Japanese made Oil Filter. Mr Subaru has places he sources them as their are fake ones on ebay / Amazon etc.
Jayme is hilarious 😭😂
Why didn't you show the pickup clog?
Lmaooo now Jared wants to get involved with a car when Bobbi sister is there 🤣🤣. I don’t blame you bro
That brake clean I’ve used working for a dealer it’s legit
Think you have an exhaust leak on the exhaust flange - that looked really sooty
The beard looks good man grow it out!
That Evo sounds so good man
It's really unfortunate that such a promising motor was released with so many issues! Hopefully they can fix it later on because I absolutely love these cars 😥
I expected nothing but this from a new Subaru boxer motor and why I was so pissed it got put in the new GR86. The more I look at the internals in these cars the more they look like cheaply made economy cars rather than full priced sports cars….
Looks like your exhaust manifold has been leaking too
Your definition of tearing an engine apart and mine are vastly different.
They sell rebuild kits for that sure shot brake clean can. We use them at the dealerships.
we use those brake clean cans at my work, theyre a huge lifesaver. we order brake clean by the 55 gallon drum lol
they did that to my 2013 still fighting in court
Subaru tech here. Not surprised about a little rtv in the pickup. They use that much sealant with all of their motors. This one just cares a bit more. As for the belt that's just a L
Is that a one off sort of issue or a BRZ issue? Would a different belt solve it?
Classic subaru moment
She's shy but so cute 🤣🤣🤣
Keep up the hard work 💪🏽
Great video I liked and subscribed
Take the tip off the new sprayer and take the inside piece out and it’ll be the ultimate brake clean sprayer
you said to put the O2 sensor in the sensor...the right sensor. I think you should say "sensor location" or "header bung". Cheers: Good video
Idk why she’s self conscious about herself, she’s hella cute lol
I was lmao the whole video…awesome content….tell Jamie theres no need to be self conscious….very pretty….love the vids man
I had the same issue with my ka24e nissan hardbody. It had an annoying timing chain rattle from factory so the front cover was probably re sealed a few times trying to fix that thinking it was just a bad chain guide. Last owner used way to much RTV and it clogged the oil pickup. On the highway it started bogging really bad and actually stalled the engine. Spun a bearing and toasted the crank.
Rebuilt the KA for pretty cheap after finding a good crank but yeah rtv in the pickup is bad news. The fix for the rattle is a ratcheting tensioner like it should have had from day one.
Ouch , that sucks . Glad it's not that bad . No need for jayme to feel bad about being on camera , i feel the same . Keep up with the good work
Why isn't the car back at the dealer to get everything fixed under warranty??
I am not mechanically inclined so sadly my first clue of improperly installed belt would be belt failure. I hope the documentation of this would get a free belt from Subaru since you did not charge them a fee for diagnosing the problem!
This guy is something
Mate I got a Evo 8, I maintain it well and so far it ain't skipped a beat . . . I drive it hard, but never disrespect it.
My brother bought a d spec 2003 WRX Sti, it's got half the miles my car has on it because it's always broken and he is fastidious about maintenance and drives like an old women (no offence to little old women). We bought both of them new around the same time.
tell jamie im camera shy too lol nothing to worry about
I’ll never buy a car that’s just recently gone into production, this stuff always happens until they have hundreds of customers come back with their day ruined and then heads roll until all the bugs are ironed out in parts design and production processes. The last years of a model run are always the most reliable.
Just seen jimmys oaks video and he had the same issue
Do you think this will happen on the 22 WRX cause now I feel like I have to check mine
Swap a evo engine in it
Sick content as always man👏🏽😎🙌🏽
the brake cleaner canister should last you a while. I work at a dealership and all the technicians have one and have had them for years now. I’m pretty sure You can modify the tip to make it spray more aggressive
And don't use fucking GASOLINE to clean parts!
I think you should checkout the timing cover rtv n mine as well change the serpentine belt ...
Devin keep up with the new look homie beard all day
That’s Subaru for you 😂😂😂
Why is she camera shy you both beautiful
The sealant is a legit issue. Next year that type of seal better be gone
That amount of RTV is embarrassing.
Wtf.... That's insane. Devin got scammed even when buying a new car! All jokes aside thou.... wtf is happening with Subarus.. This is absolutely insane how they sell those as new cars in this condition!
that car was buit on a friday lol but you will do it devin great videos guys
giving him maintenance
I have a 22 brz and now questioning it now..... My car was a late production and picked it up mid July so maybe im good??
I haven't got my gr86 yet, but I cant wait to drop my oil pan the second I do...lol
So let Subaru look at it! Geesh.
So, why not BRZ/GR86 owners invest in a good oil pressure gauge like Defi or Greddy to keep oil pressure always on check.... once you see it on the low side then you can check suspect number 1 .... RTV sealant
The car is under warranty still right? Why didn’t you have the dealer warranty the belt