@@korneliygazhula4514 wym yeah it is, just because it doesn’t go in a strait line really fast doesn’t make it not a sports car. If you stop criticizing it for something it’s not made to do, maybe you’ll see why it’s a good car
Genuinely amazing! I'd love to meet him some day. I've had a few e-mail correspondences with Koenigsegg and they've always been very supportive and helpful - something that sounds simple but is often rare to find when trying to get info out of automakers. They make some really fascinating machines!
@@EngineeringExplained I helped at a car meet in Gstaad in Switzerland, and there were many, many famous car people (Shmee, Mr Pagani...) and Christian and his wife (and some Koenigsegg engineers) were the only ones talking to us, but he did nit have too much time, and someone asked about technical stuff about the jesko transmission and he told us to watch your videos....
Oof. My EJ257 has been good, only mod has been the "crappy gas" version of the Cobb flash that removes the torque dip. (Unlike the BRZ where the torque dip is maybe emissions, it's almost certainly emissions on the STi. The AFR gets super weird stock at exactly 2500 RPM).
@@evilspoons My EJ255 was stock and after babying the car for only 20K miles of ownership and regular oil changes and maintenance, it threw a bearing at 70K miles because the oil pickup broke and caused a lack of oil pressure lmaooo. I hate Subaru sometimes. But I’ve heard a lot of similar things from tuners as well, and I see a lot of fellow Subaru owners with fluctuating AFRs in the 2000-2500 RPM range (right before boost kicks in) when not tuned. Accessports are well worth the money to get a more stable tune and to keep the engine in check.
@@PolarArctica Glad to see someone else unlucky as me. My 05 legacy gt was knocked to death at 41k miles. I only owned the car the for 5k miles...😭 Never flushed away so much money that quickly.
While I'm a huge sucker for turbos and haven't had a NA car for a long while, it's cool to see em putting out this gem. I never got around to drive it but it looks great and it seems a really cool toy to toss around the mountains.
Turbos just seem like they've turned into the cheat code of the automotive world. Want to win? Slap a turbo on it! No argument how much fun they can be, but in the end, you're still "cheating" (I know, not a perfect analogy, but hey...). Something so much more intoxicating about raw, high revving power and the engagement and strategy between man and machine when you know you don't just have gobs of torque at your disposal at any rpm
@@geoffbordeaux8286 Superchargers are not better unless you mostly want power above 5500rpms to redline. The turbos have a broader torque curve and I would know because I've been boosted reliably since July 4th 2017 with 300whp/255wtq, 12psi on 93 octane.
@@subnegro4946 Positive displacement superchargers are known for their low-end torque, big fat torque curves, and area under the torque curve. Are you perhaps thinking of a centrifugal supercharger? Also, larger turbochargers are very peaky in their torque curve not offering much low-end torque. Am I missing something?
@@todddouglass870 superchargers have there place among bigger engines like V8's or larger but the FA20 supercharged vs a FA20 turbocharged with similar power levels it favors the turbocharged variant. I understand that PD superchargers have more torque than the centrifugal crap ones but the downside is the PD superchargers are massively heavier and increases the center of gravity along with a worse F/R balance. For instance my turbo kit was 50lbs but required the removal of 26lbs of parts so it added 24lbs. An Edelbrock weighs 110-120 lbs and requires on the removal of the intake box which is 6 lbs. The car is known for balance and CoG benefits but with the turbo you can at least be as close as possible to the stock balance. Superchargers only make sense on muscle car type motors IMHO!
@@justinturbopool9367 Toyota and Honda are doing it since 20 years with their RELIABLE 2ltr. I know they cheat with VVTI but for the 2021 standards Subaru are not doing a revolution....
Its still an NA engine comes with a MT, its a nice looking car and with the right tyres it rips ass its a fun sports car not an all out racer and thats the best part about it
Yes how could someone deliver a rear wheel drive sports car for $10,000 oh look a 10-year-old mustang.... With a V6 and an automatic did you see it as it blasted by you on the highway? Oh look there goes a brand new 4-cylinder mustang convertible with an automatic transmission it just passed you too.... That car retails for the same price and it comes with dual zone climate control snow setting for its traction control a better radio and it was 4,000 cheaper..... A physical impossibility according to you
@@marcuspacheco3815I have build and owned fox body Mustang’s on up. Some with n/a stroker Windsors with 600hp. F’ing amazing cars. I now own a “slow” 2023 GR86. In the twisty mountain roads the “fast” Mustangs get their a$$es handed to them by the 86/brz. Drive an 86/brz and if you are a true gear head it all instantly makes sense. Plus, the low center of gravity of the boxer motor does not show up on a specification sheet. It does show up in cornering speed! It definitely hits different. If you know, you know. 🫡🤟
@bitterman co The Holden commodore is such a cooler car then what we have here. All we got is the Pontiac G8 😂and everyone has them hidden in their garage since Gm killed everything that is good now. Almost any 90s Japanese sports car is cop bait here because it’s usually someone and reckless driving and the cops know they can’t keep up for long😂
The BRZ staying naturally aspirated while also getting a meaningful HP and Torque bump is extremely good news. Thank you for the in-depth look on why this was a great solution versus simply slapping a turbo on and calling it a day!
@@marcuspacheco3815Cars are not all about street racing. Try taking a tight corner in a mustang without braking and see if the car stays in one piece. The BRZ/86 has its own strengths and weaknesses.
With the 1st gen torque dip, I always thought that the engineers intentionally put it there to sort of emulate VTEC for lack of a better way to put it. Or a lot of times when exciting a corner, your rpms would be at about 3500 or above. So then you just have linear torque output from that point forward
I'm actually excited for this engine. I never got a BRZ/86 primarily because I felt it's underpowered and didn't wanna go the route of turbocharging it. But I'm sure this 2.4 with header, exhaust, intake and a tune may actually feel properly quick.
@@marcuspacheco3815 I daily a tuned 2015 Audi S6, I got almost 3 times the power of a GR 86, I would have bought a 86 with this power output 5 to 8 years ago, definitely not today
@@GetSlappedUp101 you were drunk on copioum. The BRZ/FRS/GT86 pull .95g on the skid pad the V8 mustangs pull .97-1.06g (depending on pkg) the i-4 & s197 v6s do better. So while it's true the mustang will obliterate a BRZ in a straight line it'll also trounce it in the corners. 🤦 Needs the WRX engine for the money and to get decent performance. For what they're asking for the car it's an embarrassment.
@@marcuspacheco3815 You hella good at reading the brochures. You should deadass drive and then comment about them first so you don’t look like a dumbass 🤦♂️
It's cool to me that the new BRZ's stock dyno performance is nearly identical that of a typical Stage 2 tune on the old BRZ It's like they actually listened for once or something
That's an embarrassment! You're telling me a 19-year-old with an old Nintendo DS could have made this upgrade? Subaru engineers should throw themselves off the top of their tallest building as a response.
I just wanted to ask that :) Perhaps it's his way to check viewers' attention (or he just had the wrong fix in hand and didn't consider it important enough to correct it).
If you need power to have fun, you either don't drive on the right road or you just don't like driving and cars, if for you fun is going fast in a straight line you just don't like driving.
@@tougeboi729 Guess it's the same problem as we have with motorbikes. Just that bikes are a lot cheaper to buy and keep, and a lot easier to end up as a red smear somewhere. Combine that with the idiots that think power/speed = fun, and you know where this goes.
This would be slightly contrary to subaru's lineage, but a supercharger might be cool as an OPTION on the next BRZ. That way, you dont have turbo lag, but an overall higher power output. But I am glad they kept the naturally aspirated engine on this model
As you say, superchargers are the best of both worlds. This is ultimately what I plan to do with my '18 BRZ. It's still under warranty now though, so for the moment I wait. I save. I look at aftermarket kits. I drool a bit, then go back to work.
@@redlion145 In a sports car like this, a supercharger would be best of both worlds, but im not sure if the same could be said about others. Although its complex and unreliable, maybe twincharging is something to look into
@@mresab1997 I had it on the car from 2015 to 2020. Super reliable. On e85 it made 300whp. Very linear power. Great on track. I dont have any first hand knowledge of the edlebrock but it looks like a nice unit. Probably makes more low end torque than the vortech.
Honestly, I'm so grateful they're still producing and updating this platform. Small, affordable sports cars are never money-makers and fast becoming extinct. As long as the powertrain is responsive and fun to rev out, I think It'll be a great time. How a sports car feels when you're ripping it is more important than the numbers. My Miata taught me this over the course of driving lots of other high power vehicles.
It doesn't need a turbo. I don't need a big mac either but I ate one today. If it's your car turbo it all you want. I've just remembered, how many people turbo'd the S2000? That was supposed to be a similar point of contention back in the day
@@20thcenturygamer22 the s2000 is a much better car even though it was built 20 years ago. My 2000 subaru outback has the same horsepower as a current crosstrek. Subaru literally makes their cars slower over time. Despite what most want. Damn my old 98 eagle tsi would destroy this car with boost turned up and a couple of bolt ons. On that note i would take an s2000 any day over a BRZ and turbo it. rice don't care about function.
@@Shabbe02 this car is really making me consider getting rid of my nb miata. i'll honestly probably keep it and just make brz DD and a 3rd vehicle, nb miata isn't worth selling tbh.
I understand all words coming out from his mouth in a language perspective , but at the same time I do NOT understand a single word out of his mouth lol
I've always loved the brz as just a rear drive daily instead of SpORrTs CaRr. That being said, I bet a turbo option would already have been available if it didnt have Supra toes to step on.
Average American . "I need a turbo and automatic transmission so I can do faster pulls " . " Handling "? " " " Wot, you mean like turning and stuff". 🤷😁
@@BigfootUnibrowMan the ones that are *way* more powerful (V8s) are also a good bit more expensive. the cheaper 4cyl turbos have a different character (slower throttle response) and also i'd say are generally bigger and heavier. i'd rather have my smaller, albeit slower car that i'll probably do an E85 tune on at some point and get an additional 50whp
@@markadcock8415 An ecoboost mustang will still mop the floor with this thing on a road course or at a stop light/drag strip... and has better power to weight ratio. You're not gonna get 50hp out of a 2 liter naturally aspirated motor by switching to e85... A turbo motor, by all means though.
I bought one of these for my son so he could learn to drive a front engine, rear drive, manual car…like a man. He learned…and I kept the car! lol I never would have thought about buying this “car for kids” but once you drive one you’ll know. It isn’t kinda fun…it is freaking crazy fun! Love this thing.
Put the WRX drivetrain w/ manual in the Crosstrek. For that matter, offer a regular automatic on the Crosstrek, Outback, Forrester, & Ascent with optional auxiliary cooling for the ones who take them off road.
They added like 20 horsepower. It still needs a turbo. This is trash. 300hp would be fun and it's not hard to achieve. Subaru seems like the next car company to die. s2000 engine was leaps and bounds ahead of this trash.
@@roberto125919 bro if they put a turbo on it it would be way too expensive, i mean maybe 10 grand more and it would be near the price of an sti and obviously subaru wont let that happen. If you only care about power, maybe this car is not for you. Cheers mate
@@soulsnatcher5408 Mate, you're talking out your arse. You could spend $20k on an N/A engine to barely make half of what $5k whacking a turbo on will get you.
Great video and all but what I really want to know is how this new engine (FA24) compares to the old one (FA20) in terms of reliability and the physical differences between them (like if any new parts are installed or any parts are changed/improved on). Please keep in mind that the 2017-2020 MYs had a lot of changes compared to the 2013-2016 MYs so maybe include those changes too? I would greatly appreciate it!
What I’m hearing is- Subaru should make an, “STi”, turbo version with maybe some carbon components and lighter materials to validate the weight of the turbo system 👀
...and so is the price...it would probably be over $40K easily if it was Turbo. They're going to be plenty of turbo kits available for this car in the near future, so who cares.
@@lordoftherims436 Yep, same thing that stops people with the current gen BRZ/86. Hopefully this generation the turbo versions of the FA24 will be a viable swap, so all the crashed WRXs can become BRZ engine donors.
As a WRX owner: The 50% throttle is a tune issue with the stock tune- any reflash fixes it and makes the throttle-accel pretty linear for the low RPM spool into fairly high boost numbers
I HATE the 50% throttle issue. But the CVT can't handle more power (like the pistons) so I'm not risking a burned up transmission (or dead motor) with a tune.
@@ittimjones Yikes dude. You should trade it in for a manual. CVT's are garbage. My mom had to have the CVT in her 2013 Nissan Pathfinder replaced twice under warranty - within 50k miles of each other. After getting the 3rd replacement, she traded up for a 2019 Armada with a true automatic.
Can't thank you enough for making something so technical into layman's terms/easier to understand; while at the same time allowing your passion and excitement for cars to come through... Also thank you a million for avoiding being one of those turn--off, egotistical, supposedly cool, self centered, boring, musicalized lounge type of self promoting personalities. I own a 2020 BRZ tS and I'm often looking for useful, down to earth, kind of exciting information and you balance it all very well. Thanks for all the research you do and the easier to comprehend, genuine tech information you share, not just on the BRZ, but in mechanical and engineering concepts explained (by you) easier to understand.
@@Onewheelordeal Not really, if I craved HP I'd have a V8 probably. Don't get me wrong fast cars are fun but I'd get way too many tickets. In my BRZ I had fun at much lower speeds which meant I had fun more often.
20% more force is the minimum! At every other RPM than 3700 the torque is even lower (30 mph) for the 2022 BRZ, while the torque of the Ascent is mostly constant
This is why it’s hard to make a sporty NA 4-banger. Even if it gets more power, it doesn’t come on until higher in the revs while turbos make power in the low to midrange.
He's also totally ignoring that the ascent is tuned for efficiency and low-end torque, not power. The WRX STI will probably have an FA24DIT just like the Ascent, but it will probably make 350hp.
Holy crap I remember seeing this video a year ago and now I have the new gr86 and its everything this guy says. When you start the car you can feel/hear the engine flipping through the fuel injection modes. I havent dynod mine but youtubers have seen 215 wheel horsepower stock meaning the engine most likely makes closer to 240 crank hp(and they downplayed numbers), making the first point comparing it to the turbod engine better. So glad I came across this again.
People who are asking for a turbo on the BRZ/GR86 won't be able to afford it, and would be the reason the car would have died if Toyo/Fuji Heavy had stupidly listened. They said hey, put it on in the after market if you can afford it. Good job on the vid, keep it real.
it's definitely not as much stock hp I was hoping for. But if the same % gain (or more) can be had by running e85 on the new one, I bet it will be a hoot to drive.
Personally, a 22% bump in torque would be fantastic. That would definitely make a big difference in how fast the car "feels". Besides that we all know owners are going to be chasing that 32hp with mods that they could have had from the factory. I love small light sports cars, but I don't think you could help feeling bad when you get gapped at the lights by an 8 year old speed 3 or wrx.
I found your channel because I was/am shopping for a Tesla. I'm watching all of these videos of yours and I don't even like cars because I just like how you do your videos. Great Job Good Sir!
@@Chris675R from the late 80s till the late 90s subaru N.A engines have been the go choice for small airplane engines....and remeber air plane engines need to sit at 4k RPM or 7k RPM for over 20 minutes or so
@@h1tm4n26 The clout chasers will find a way, then make videos of how the E85 lifesyle sucks, and then a 'depressed' video when they get catastrophic engine failure shortly after. Title of failure video: wE DiDnT sEe ThIs CoMiNg
@@EngineeringExplained Having the first gen BRZ with a header, tune and E85 that brought my car up to right around the 250HP mark (at the crank) the new BRZ should feel great. The setup on mine is 204 HP/ 160 TQ at the wheels. Brings the car from the factory 6.3 0-60 time to a 5.5 second time, and eliminated the torque dip. Very happy with the setup.
Unfair: Since the Ascent seems to have Atkinson cycle characteristics, there's good chance to be more efficient (economical) & somehow more pleasant on normal driving (with plenty of torque)
Good video thanks. I supercharged my 2013 FRS with stock internals. It runs fantastic! Linear power curve good amount of torque. Key to reliability with stock internals is a 93 octane Custom Tune from a high quality great local tuner. One that already did hundreds of the same car made their mistakes already.second thing keep your PSI below 10 mine is 9 psi Jackson Racing Supercharger. Get the HP Radiator with built in oil cooler a must for reliability. Also get HP EL ceramic coated quality headers you get what you pay for hp straight through exhaust for the most power so you don't always have to go up to 8 or 9 psi because the exhaust safely adds around 20 or 25 pound feet torque mid range too. 3rd off don't ever rev past redline could risk blowing up engine or valvetraine. My car puts out close to 335 BHP and 265 torque fly wheel. Too much can damage engine. This amount is reliable and makes the car feel, sound, and accelerate exotic! I did leave out all cats, three designators. Two on front pipe over pipe. One on Cat back all pipes are 3 inch Freddy Evolution GT deep rich Sound like the fast and furious Supra like behives going off
From scene kid to gray fox, still the best. Man, you're a beast! Ps: I cry every time I see people complaining about the lack of turbo in a BRZ/86, thank you for this video.
I actually like the styling of the old brz. The styling was sharper and more angular. This car looks more bloated and bulbous. I like the new n/a engine tho!
Thats a lot of compresion. In turbo aplications they will need low comp pistons so will be a expensive engine to put turbo. But...really needs turbo? I think the power and torqie in the gr86 is just perfect
@@MElekiaZ I agree! I've got a set of headers in mine to smooth out the torque curve. It's so fun and linear now that I honestly cant imagine putting a turbo in it.
I am just hoping there will be another generation after this one. I plan to buy a new car in about 10 years. The last BRZ lasted 9 years. So I would buy a 3rd gen BRZ if there is one. If not I woukd get a used 2nd gen BRZ.
@@cafe88racer53 I don't care too much about hp. If I wanted more hp amd also didn't mind a heavier car I would get a Mustang. Most people don't use that extra hp anyways unless they are at a track or doing drag races. Even then, I'd have more fun with a lower hp car at a track as I can use all of the car. It's the chassis of the BRZ which I like. The extra bump in low-end torque in the 2022 BRZ makes it punchier around town, which i also like as that's something that the previous gen lacked. Also I would never want to by a performance car that is over 3000lbs. So that means BRZ/86, Miata, or base Cayman. All other perfomance cars that are under 3000lbs are like over $100k because they are all carbon fiber and are also too powerful/impractical for my liking anyways. I will admit that the previous two Z generations come very close to meeting my criteria and I wouldn't dislike having one, I'd just would like the 2022 BRZ more.
Every one who is serious about performance turbos, supercharges, or swaps engines in those cars, the 240sx & Miata are examples of good platform cars (can't speak for the prelude, I don't FF).
I'm thinking about getting one since I sold my wrx last year. Im moving south so I can get a rear wheel car. Very enticing since these are a dying breed and a true sports car. Manual+rear wheel+NA=pure drivers car.
Regarding horsepower, everyone always whines, “more, more, more”. The trick in all good design is to set the RIGHT level. That is rarely the MAX level.
The sensible approach is to make sure that the vehicle doesn't have more power than the chassis can handle. At the end of the day maintaining high speeds during cornering is key to being fastest around a track. And for most cars, the smartest place to spend money is towards improving rims/tires and brakes, followed by suspension upgrades. But most people care about winning at the stop light drag strip.
@@musek5048 motorcyclists know that you feel a hell of a lot faster on a Grom than you do a GSX-R 1000. Constantly hitting the rev limiter of a tiny engine is much more satisfying than barely being able to open the taps of a much larger engine.
FYI, the torque dip on the old BRZ is due to the catalytic converter on the header. When I changed the header on my BRZ, it completely changed the acceleration feel of the car.
In brz/gt86 turbo conversions the turbo gets placed in front of the engine and not underneath it, so its not right to say that the new engine would need to get higher if a turbo would get addee to the engine, othwise the rest of the video is very good, thank you.
I can't think of the last time I was this excited about a car I might also be able to conveivably afford a few years after it's released, especially since Honda dropped the coupe version of the Civic Si.
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We should all just be thankful that a manufacturer is still building an affordable 2-door RWD sports car...
Miata
Its not a sports car.
Sports car? Lol
@@korneliygazhula4514 wym yeah it is, just because it doesn’t go in a strait line really fast doesn’t make it not a sports car. If you stop criticizing it for something it’s not made to do, maybe you’ll see why it’s a good car
@@korneliygazhula4514 its a sports car
My comment last time wasn‘t s joke:
I met Christian von Koenigsegg and he told me to watch your videos👍🏼
Makes sense, these are the best automotive engineering videos on the net. What a lucky acquaintance though!
That's cool.
Bor han fortfarande i Sverige?
Genuinely amazing! I'd love to meet him some day. I've had a few e-mail correspondences with Koenigsegg and they've always been very supportive and helpful - something that sounds simple but is often rare to find when trying to get info out of automakers. They make some really fascinating machines!
@@EngineeringExplained I helped at a car meet in Gstaad in Switzerland, and there were many, many famous car people (Shmee, Mr Pagani...) and Christian and his wife (and some Koenigsegg engineers) were the only ones talking to us, but he did nit have too much time, and someone asked about technical stuff about the jesko transmission and he told us to watch your videos....
Who do you think taught him how to design the TFG?
No matter what, it’ll be better than an EJ25.
-A WRX owner with a broken heart, and broken car
Oof. My EJ257 has been good, only mod has been the "crappy gas" version of the Cobb flash that removes the torque dip.
(Unlike the BRZ where the torque dip is maybe emissions, it's almost certainly emissions on the STi. The AFR gets super weird stock at exactly 2500 RPM).
@@evilspoons My EJ255 was stock and after babying the car for only 20K miles of ownership and regular oil changes and maintenance, it threw a bearing at 70K miles because the oil pickup broke and caused a lack of oil pressure lmaooo. I hate Subaru sometimes.
But I’ve heard a lot of similar things from tuners as well, and I see a lot of fellow Subaru owners with fluctuating AFRs in the 2000-2500 RPM range (right before boost kicks in) when not tuned. Accessports are well worth the money to get a more stable tune and to keep the engine in check.
the ej is a great motor you just have to have the money to play .....its not a good daily drivers engine
Well ya but ej goes brrrrrrrrrr
@@PolarArctica Glad to see someone else unlucky as me. My 05 legacy gt was knocked to death at 41k miles. I only owned the car the for 5k miles...😭 Never flushed away so much money that quickly.
One thing is clear after watching this video: The guys at Donut Media watch your videos...
For sure but that ,chubby kid is funny as shaaaaaving cream!
Donut is a bunch of hacks making content for the lowest common denominator
@@Live.drones POP UP UPANDDOWN HEADLIGHTS pop up upanddown headlights
@@scottslaughter7181 I enjoyed James for a while. He's never been the same on camera after his heart surgery
This is where I get my degree in car knowledge with guy like him who is passionate about cars.
Oddly enough NA engines are more unique than having a turbo these days, can’t wait to see these on sale!
+1 to this. I yawn when I see performance turbo motors anymore (ESPECIALLY LS motors). Show me something performance that is NA and I get interested
@@Matticus289 you know what... that's a really good point... no sarcasm...
Unique, I like the BRZ, but having had both, NA is never as fun to drive
While I'm a huge sucker for turbos and haven't had a NA car for a long while, it's cool to see em putting out this gem. I never got around to drive it but it looks great and it seems a really cool toy to toss around the mountains.
Turbos just seem like they've turned into the cheat code of the automotive world. Want to win? Slap a turbo on it! No argument how much fun they can be, but in the end, you're still "cheating" (I know, not a perfect analogy, but hey...). Something so much more intoxicating about raw, high revving power and the engagement and strategy between man and machine when you know you don't just have gobs of torque at your disposal at any rpm
Car RUclips’s best teaching assistant is BACK at the whiteboard kiddos
I'd say he's moved up to professor, if not tenured professor by now. Gotta love that whiteboard tho.
@@redlion145 the thing is he has that earnest grad TA energy and it’s great
In this episode Jason reunites with his best friend Whiteboard
Seems like he was mixing up which one was Port and Direct towards the end.
@@PaulCHa Colors seemed switched to me, unless direct is low pressure and port high pressure.
@@DaneRThomas yeah he either mixed up the colors or he mixed up what he was pointing at or he mixed up his words.
@@PaulCHa it was a test...lol
Sounds like a one piece character
N/A + Stick Shift. An unbeatable combo!
Turbo+ stick shift > N/A + stick shift.
@@daftpanda6533 Ah yes, complex turbos, ignoring the whole point of a stick; simplicity
@@specialopsdave I don't think they're complicated. Essentially just two fans connected by a shaft in the middle. 😁
@@daftpanda6533 at 100,000+ rpm
@@specialopsdave Ha this is true. Idk. There were many 90s turbo imports that were rather durable at stock levels, or a reasonable amount above.
People who turbo the 86 and BRZ give off strong amounts of Itsuki energy
It needs schlong. Also, I think superchargers are better on either of those.
@@geoffbordeaux8286
Ye give it that good low end torque
@@geoffbordeaux8286 Superchargers are not better unless you mostly want power above 5500rpms to redline. The turbos have a broader torque curve and I would know because I've been boosted reliably since July 4th 2017 with 300whp/255wtq, 12psi on 93 octane.
@@subnegro4946 Positive displacement superchargers are known for their low-end torque, big fat torque curves, and area under the torque curve. Are you perhaps thinking of a centrifugal supercharger? Also, larger turbochargers are very peaky in their torque curve not offering much low-end torque. Am I missing something?
@@todddouglass870 superchargers have there place among bigger engines like V8's or larger but the FA20 supercharged vs a FA20 turbocharged with similar power levels it favors the turbocharged variant. I understand that PD superchargers have more torque than the centrifugal crap ones but the downside is the PD superchargers are massively heavier and increases the center of gravity along with a worse F/R balance. For instance my turbo kit was 50lbs but required the removal of 26lbs of parts so it added 24lbs. An Edelbrock weighs 110-120 lbs and requires on the removal of the intake box which is 6 lbs. The car is known for balance and CoG benefits but with the turbo you can at least be as close as possible to the stock balance. Superchargers only make sense on muscle car type motors IMHO!
I personally like that they kept it N/A, it has a more linear acceleration and are easier to keep.
I introduce you to your new best friend Mr. Bigblower
To get 200+ hp out of a production N/A 4cyl is impressive. This will be a very fun car no doubt.
@@justinturbopool9367 Toyota and Honda are doing it since 20 years with their RELIABLE 2ltr. I know they cheat with VVTI but for the 2021 standards Subaru are not doing a revolution....
Centrifugal Supercharger if you want a linear acceleration !
Also leaves you with choices in the after market for forced induction you prefer. Which was always the idea with the platform.
Me: Subaru can we have more power
Subaru: we have more power at home
Power at home: +23 hp
Its still an NA engine comes with a MT, its a nice looking car and with the right tyres it rips ass its a fun sports car not an all out racer and thats the best part about it
11% more hp isn't that bad
@@LukeDogg20 that percentage makes it even more sad
@@knightfall7534 Idk 11% is pretty respectable. Could've always gone the route of the civic si and kept the same power figure as the model from 2006.
@@thechillywinds5810 I think he's saying that 23 horsepower being 11% just goes to show how weak the BRZ is lol
Turbo or additional displacement? Basically, it comes down to weight and cost: the two enemies of an entry-level sports car.
Well-said, Jason.
Yes how could someone deliver a rear wheel drive sports car for $10,000 oh look a 10-year-old mustang.... With a V6 and an automatic did you see it as it blasted by you on the highway? Oh look there goes a brand new 4-cylinder mustang convertible with an automatic transmission it just passed you too.... That car retails for the same price and it comes with dual zone climate control snow setting for its traction control a better radio and it was 4,000 cheaper..... A physical impossibility according to you
@@marcuspacheco3815im pretty sure you named a much heavier new car that costs more in base model form? Unless you're trolling.
Why not just make a higher trim...?
@@marcuspacheco3815I have build and owned fox body Mustang’s on up. Some with n/a stroker Windsors with 600hp. F’ing amazing cars.
I now own a “slow” 2023 GR86. In the twisty mountain roads the “fast” Mustangs get their a$$es handed to them by the 86/brz. Drive an 86/brz and if you are a true gear head it all instantly makes sense.
Plus, the low center of gravity of the boxer motor does not show up on a specification sheet. It does show up in cornering speed! It definitely hits different.
If you know, you know. 🫡🤟
This guy should design and create the PERFECT SPORTS CAR.
@bitterman co if there's big cons for each then it's not the perfect sports car.
That’s what we, engineers always do when we design stock cars. Only limitation are price and legal.
@bitterman co Here in America the kid in his Honda prelude is cop bait. Not the guy in a brand new Subaru paying for his own bills 😂
@bitterman co The Holden commodore is such a cooler car then what we have here. All we got is the Pontiac G8 😂and everyone has them hidden in their garage since Gm killed everything that is good now. Almost any 90s Japanese sports car is cop bait here because it’s usually someone and reckless driving and the cops know they can’t keep up for long😂
Miata
Jason was the kinda kid who would prove his Math teachers wrong in highschool and teach half the class himself after the lecture. Keep it up man!
We need a “Save the N/A’s” T shirt now
Adding it to the list.. Save the manuals, save the fr's and save the na's. Any thin else?
@@easygoingdude9990 Save the ICE with the way we're going.
@@cccEngineer you're absolutely right my dude. Can't believe I forgot that lol
Save the sedan
@@easygoingdude9990 Save the manual handbrake.
I say this with true admiration and utter respect: A _real_ gear head! Thanks for explaining.
Congrats on incoming 3M subs ✔
Thanks Jason, we did learn engineering like others here 😍
Jason: Why torque curve?
Subaru:
Subaru: Yes
The BRZ staying naturally aspirated while also getting a meaningful HP and Torque bump is extremely good news. Thank you for the in-depth look on why this was a great solution versus simply slapping a turbo on and calling it a day!
Yes 10-year-old V6 mustangs everywhere can't wait to outrun you on the street. Very meaningful.
@@marcuspacheco3815Cars are not all about street racing. Try taking a tight corner in a mustang without braking and see if the car stays in one piece. The BRZ/86 has its own strengths and weaknesses.
With the 1st gen torque dip, I always thought that the engineers intentionally put it there to sort of emulate VTEC for lack of a better way to put it. Or a lot of times when exciting a corner, your rpms would be at about 3500 or above. So then you just have linear torque output from that point forward
I'm actually excited for this engine. I never got a BRZ/86 primarily because I felt it's underpowered and didn't wanna go the route of turbocharging it. But I'm sure this 2.4 with header, exhaust, intake and a tune may actually feel properly quick.
You will still be slower than a 10-year-old V6 mustang.... Oh boy hold on to your seat!
@@marcuspacheco3815 I daily a tuned 2015 Audi S6, I got almost 3 times the power of a GR 86, I would have bought a 86 with this power output 5 to 8 years ago, definitely not today
@@marcuspacheco3815 y’all asking for too much 😭. A GR86 is made for corners while a mustang is made for straights.
@@GetSlappedUp101 you were drunk on copioum. The BRZ/FRS/GT86 pull .95g on the skid pad the V8 mustangs pull .97-1.06g (depending on pkg) the i-4 & s197 v6s do better. So while it's true the mustang will obliterate a BRZ in a straight line it'll also trounce it in the corners. 🤦 Needs the WRX engine for the money and to get decent performance. For what they're asking for the car it's an embarrassment.
@@marcuspacheco3815 You hella good at reading the brochures. You should deadass drive and then comment about them first so you don’t look like a dumbass 🤦♂️
Well sir, I think you've sold me on the updated BRZ...
It's cool to me that the new BRZ's stock dyno performance is nearly identical that of a typical Stage 2 tune on the old BRZ
It's like they actually listened for once or something
That's an embarrassment! You're telling me a 19-year-old with an old Nintendo DS could have made this upgrade? Subaru engineers should throw themselves off the top of their tallest building as a response.
I think the Direct and the Port were swapped: red should be Port
Yeah, that confused me a bit
I just wanted to ask that :) Perhaps it's his way to check viewers' attention (or he just had the wrong fix in hand and didn't consider it important enough to correct it).
I think ppl not understand part " fun car".. doesn't need to be high speed , it just fun car to drive
More power does = more fun. There is a balance of course but that's not really a problem until you go above 300hp for the brz
I sold mine. I just seriously need more torque with a turbo. Got boring fast
Americans don't understand that concept.
If you need power to have fun, you either don't drive on the right road or you just don't like driving and cars, if for you fun is going fast in a straight line you just don't like driving.
@@tougeboi729 Guess it's the same problem as we have with motorbikes. Just that bikes are a lot cheaper to buy and keep, and a lot easier to end up as a red smear somewhere. Combine that with the idiots that think power/speed = fun, and you know where this goes.
I appreciate you doing this kind of "theory crafting" and working out the math.
This would be slightly contrary to subaru's lineage, but a supercharger might be cool as an OPTION on the next BRZ. That way, you dont have turbo lag, but an overall higher power output. But I am glad they kept the naturally aspirated engine on this model
As you say, superchargers are the best of both worlds. This is ultimately what I plan to do with my '18 BRZ. It's still under warranty now though, so for the moment I wait. I save. I look at aftermarket kits. I drool a bit, then go back to work.
@@redlion145 In a sports car like this, a supercharger would be best of both worlds, but im not sure if the same could be said about others. Although its complex and unreliable, maybe twincharging is something to look into
My Vortec'd BRZ was awesome. Id recommend one to anyone.
@@d_rock_t What did you like about it? What are you thoughts on the Edelbrock, if any?
@@mresab1997 I had it on the car from 2015 to 2020. Super reliable. On e85 it made 300whp. Very linear power. Great on track. I dont have any first hand knowledge of the edlebrock but it looks like a nice unit. Probably makes more low end torque than the vortech.
*** the colors in the port and direct injection are flipped. Big fan of the videos. Keep up the good work!
Honestly, I'm so grateful they're still producing and updating this platform. Small, affordable sports cars are never money-makers and fast becoming extinct. As long as the powertrain is responsive and fun to rev out, I think It'll be a great time. How a sports car feels when you're ripping it is more important than the numbers. My Miata taught me this over the course of driving lots of other high power vehicles.
"The BRZ doesn't need a turbo" says the guy who recently supercharged his MX-5 Miata.
I also don't think the Miata needs a supercharger haha. But for those who want to do it (like myself) you can!
@@EngineeringExplained Would you consider upgrading to the 2022 brz when it comes out?
It doesn't need a turbo. I don't need a big mac either but I ate one today. If it's your car turbo it all you want. I've just remembered, how many people turbo'd the S2000? That was supposed to be a similar point of contention back in the day
@@20thcenturygamer22 the s2000 is a much better car even though it was built 20 years ago. My 2000 subaru outback has the same horsepower as a current crosstrek. Subaru literally makes their cars slower over time. Despite what most want. Damn my old 98 eagle tsi would destroy this car with boost turned up and a couple of bolt ons. On that note i would take an s2000 any day over a BRZ and turbo it. rice don't care about function.
@@Shabbe02 this car is really making me consider getting rid of my nb miata. i'll honestly probably keep it and just make brz DD and a 3rd vehicle, nb miata isn't worth selling tbh.
I understand all words coming out from his mouth in a language perspective , but at the same time I do NOT understand a single word out of his mouth lol
LMAO I felt this
just keep nodding you head and say I see
I can’t believe I was just convinced that a car doesn’t need more power.
You've seen the light.
Weak
But.....I mean the car does have 228 hp..... Which is indeed MORE than 200 hp.
I've always loved the brz as just a rear drive daily instead of SpORrTs CaRr. That being said, I bet a turbo option would already have been available if it didnt have Supra toes to step on.
@@gummostump4217 but imagine how dam fun this car would bee with 300+hp
Average Brz owner: "LOL car go fast."
Jason: "Well yes, but no."
Average American . "I need a turbo and automatic transmission so I can do faster pulls " . " Handling "? " " " Wot, you mean like turning and stuff". 🤷😁
nah Average brz owners either slam it or know that the right way to go fast is around a corner
@@jackd1582 Haha except American cars handle insanely well these days so that joke is pretty outdated. And they are way mpre powerful🤷♂️
@@BigfootUnibrowMan the ones that are *way* more powerful (V8s) are also a good bit more expensive. the cheaper 4cyl turbos have a different character (slower throttle response) and also i'd say are generally bigger and heavier. i'd rather have my smaller, albeit slower car that i'll probably do an E85 tune on at some point and get an additional 50whp
@@markadcock8415 An ecoboost mustang will still mop the floor with this thing on a road course or at a stop light/drag strip... and has better power to weight ratio. You're not gonna get 50hp out of a 2 liter naturally aspirated motor by switching to e85... A turbo motor, by all means though.
I bought one of these for my son so he could learn to drive a front engine, rear drive, manual car…like a man.
He learned…and I kept the car! lol
I never would have thought about buying this “car for kids” but once you drive one you’ll know. It isn’t kinda fun…it is freaking crazy fun! Love this thing.
Put it in the crosstrek 🗣
Yes please, we just want to know what power feels like! 😭
No. No fking way.
They should make a Crosstrek STI
No cvt
@@chung729chung it would basically be a wrx wagonish kinda hatchback thing??
Put the WRX drivetrain w/ manual in the Crosstrek.
For that matter, offer a regular automatic on the Crosstrek, Outback, Forrester, & Ascent with optional auxiliary cooling for the ones who take them off road.
Friendship ended with "just slap a turbo on it".
Now "no replacement for displacement" is my new best friend.
It would be nice if it were a 3.0 litre boxer 6
They added like 20 horsepower. It still needs a turbo. This is trash. 300hp would be fun and it's not hard to achieve. Subaru seems like the next car company to die. s2000 engine was leaps and bounds ahead of this trash.
@@roberto125919 bro if they put a turbo on it it would be way too expensive, i mean maybe 10 grand more and it would be near the price of an sti and obviously subaru wont let that happen. If you only care about power, maybe this car is not for you. Cheers mate
This should be a series: “Why slapping a turbo on every car is not the answer”😂
It is always the answer if you're trying to make more power than stock though.
@@MrLordZenki no its not, that shows what you know. You can do alot of thing to a NA engine to get more power rather then throwing a turbo on it.
Porsche: Can you not remind us about the 718 experiment now that you get your H6s back?
@@MrLordZenki Lots of fast cars are N/A, not saying forced induction isn't good, it's just not the only way to make good power.
@@soulsnatcher5408 Mate, you're talking out your arse. You could spend $20k on an N/A engine to barely make half of what $5k whacking a turbo on will get you.
Great video and all but what I really want to know is how this new engine (FA24) compares to the old one (FA20) in terms of reliability and the physical differences between them (like if any new parts are installed or any parts are changed/improved on).
Please keep in mind that the 2017-2020 MYs had a lot of changes compared to the 2013-2016 MYs so maybe include those changes too?
I would greatly appreciate it!
I think they nailed. This coming from from a 2019 gt mustang owner.
What I’m hearing is- Subaru should make an, “STi”, turbo version with maybe some carbon components and lighter materials to validate the weight of the turbo system 👀
And who is going to pay 50-60k for a brz?
@@gerardofiano4866 not you I guess? Lmao
Doubtful...
@@dominicancheif117 unfortunately :(
that's the BMW supra you're talking about
The thing is: a factory turbo engine is more easily tuned.
...and so is the price...it would probably be over $40K easily if it was Turbo. They're going to be plenty of turbo kits available for this car in the near future, so who cares.
@@buddybestoryeah u will just need to swap to lower cr pistons, and while the engine is open you mayaswell do rods, crank and bearings
@@buddybestor He literally made a whole video about it. Apparently because people care... 😂
Definitely. Reflash and turn up the boost.
@@lordoftherims436 Yep, same thing that stops people with the current gen BRZ/86. Hopefully this generation the turbo versions of the FA24 will be a viable swap, so all the crashed WRXs can become BRZ engine donors.
Subaru sees Jason with whiteboard.
*Subaru Engineers have entered the chat*
I wonder when these "entered the chat" jokes are gonna die out
@@ellisjackson3355 right
As a WRX owner: The 50% throttle is a tune issue with the stock tune- any reflash fixes it and makes the throttle-accel pretty linear for the low RPM spool into fairly high boost numbers
I HATE the 50% throttle issue. But the CVT can't handle more power (like the pistons) so I'm not risking a burned up transmission (or dead motor) with a tune.
@@ittimjones Yikes dude. You should trade it in for a manual. CVT's are garbage. My mom had to have the CVT in her 2013 Nissan Pathfinder replaced twice under warranty - within 50k miles of each other. After getting the 3rd replacement, she traded up for a 2019 Armada with a true automatic.
Can't thank you enough for making something so technical into layman's terms/easier to understand; while at the same time allowing your passion and excitement for cars to come through... Also thank you a million for avoiding being one of those turn--off, egotistical, supposedly cool, self centered, boring, musicalized lounge type of self promoting personalities. I own a 2020 BRZ tS and I'm often looking for useful, down to earth, kind of exciting information and you balance it all very well. Thanks for all the research you do and the easier to comprehend, genuine tech information you share, not just on the BRZ, but in mechanical and engineering concepts explained (by you) easier to understand.
There should be an option - the BRZ STi which has the turbo engine, bigger brakes etc.
If you are fine paying 40k+ then sure.
Brembos were a option on 17-20 ft86. They will bring that back for the track rats.
@@MyGoToUserName I’m sure someone will pay extra!
There is something like that called supra
@@dumyjobby no it is automatic transmission only
Yea u have an option to not buy it or install it yourself. Go buy a Ferrari then haha, coz u can't afford it
As a previous BRZ owner, I'm glad t he new gen is still NA.
Hell yeah
I can imagine, be a bummer if all the new ones are way better and you were still NA
@@Onewheelordeal Not really, if I craved HP I'd have a V8 probably. Don't get me wrong fast cars are fun but I'd get way too many tickets. In my BRZ I had fun at much lower speeds which meant I had fun more often.
@@snowrang3r657 me in my old Karmann Ghia
this comment sounds broke, poor af
20% more force is the minimum! At every other RPM than 3700 the torque is even lower (30 mph) for the 2022 BRZ, while the torque of the Ascent is mostly constant
This is why it’s hard to make a sporty NA 4-banger. Even if it gets more power, it doesn’t come on until higher in the revs while turbos make power in the low to midrange.
He's also totally ignoring that the ascent is tuned for efficiency and low-end torque, not power. The WRX STI will probably have an FA24DIT just like the Ascent, but it will probably make 350hp.
The torque delivery on the ND2 is very linear. Just slap on a supercharger and tune the car?
Holy crap I remember seeing this video a year ago and now I have the new gr86 and its everything this guy says. When you start the car you can feel/hear the engine flipping through the fuel injection modes. I havent dynod mine but youtubers have seen 215 wheel horsepower stock meaning the engine most likely makes closer to 240 crank hp(and they downplayed numbers), making the first point comparing it to the turbod engine better. So glad I came across this again.
People who are asking for a turbo on the BRZ/GR86 won't be able to afford it, and would be the reason the car would have died if Toyo/Fuji Heavy had stupidly listened. They said hey, put it on in the after market if you can afford it.
Good job on the vid, keep it real.
I’m beyond excited for this car to be released! Also wow that compression is high, I’m sure it will respond amazing with E85
it's definitely not as much stock hp I was hoping for. But if the same % gain (or more) can be had by running e85 on the new one, I bet it will be a hoot to drive.
E85 runs higher hp with forced induction
Personally, a 22% bump in torque would be fantastic. That would definitely make a big difference in how fast the car "feels". Besides that we all know owners are going to be chasing that 32hp with mods that they could have had from the factory. I love small light sports cars, but I don't think you could help feeling bad when you get gapped at the lights by an 8 year old speed 3 or wrx.
First corner they are plowing into the weeds..............wrong car if you want to play gap game
Videos like this are exactly why this channel is so damn good.
I wish I had found your channel when I did my engineering degree. Very informative!
I found your channel because I was/am shopping for a Tesla. I'm watching all of these videos of yours and I don't even like cars because I just like how you do your videos. Great Job Good Sir!
7:21 let's not kid ourself Jason, I would not have asked that. Lol I would have just said "🤔ok" and continued watching
Fun car is all about driving dynamic not necessarily the huge power output. N/A is always more reliable than turbo engine imo
Wait a minute, since when does Subaru built reliable n/a engines?
@@Chris675R from the late 80s till the late 90s subaru N.A engines have been the go choice for small airplane engines....and remeber air plane engines need to sit at 4k RPM or 7k RPM for over 20 minutes or so
"IMO" but not in the real world. 🤡🤡
13.5:1. That's quite a bit higher than I was expecting.
they wanted to make sure no one turbo'd it lol
@@h1tm4n26 The clout chasers will find a way, then make videos of how the E85 lifesyle sucks, and then a 'depressed' video when they get catastrophic engine failure shortly after. Title of failure video: wE DiDnT sEe ThIs CoMiNg
@@mrburgermaster sounds spot on
I really like the enthusiasm! Especially the engineering explanation. Helps for the job and for the joy
low weight, manual, enough power...perfect for young petrolheads
young people dont have money
@@veryrare7647Its price is not astronomical. After all, its not a porsche or mercedes... And, not all of us are poor.. you know..
When I knew the new brz is still NA, I was happy
Are you the stigs cousin?
@@yayayayya4731 one of the many cousins he had
Do you exclusively drive lorries?
@@Kingjay814 yes, 18 speed manual transmission to make fun of those pro drivers that drive a 6 speed manual
This is the kind of logic that get's you hate on reddit and comment sections
I feel smarter after watching this!
Engine goes BOOM 💥 because of RTV
This is the engine I want in my Forester.
I'm curious to see how this new car will be hated and loved by everyone as well.
Weight is basically the same, yet more power and torque. Folks that like the first-gen BRZ will likely quite enjoy this one!
Only Audi fanboys will hate it bc they want turbo boost to understeer off the road.
@@EngineeringExplained Having the first gen BRZ with a header, tune and E85 that brought my car up to right around the 250HP mark (at the crank) the new BRZ should feel great. The setup on mine is 204 HP/ 160 TQ at the wheels. Brings the car from the factory 6.3 0-60 time to a 5.5 second time, and eliminated the torque dip. Very happy with the setup.
@@Mgoblagulkablong I’m an Audi fanboy, and I love it!! Lol yeah they understeer but I still respect the slidey cars like this one
I am sooooo glad they upped the cc istead of going turbo. Thank you so much for that suby
Unfair: Since the Ascent seems to have Atkinson cycle characteristics, there's good chance to be more efficient (economical) & somehow more pleasant on normal driving (with plenty of torque)
Good video thanks. I supercharged my 2013 FRS with stock internals. It runs fantastic! Linear power curve good amount of torque. Key to reliability with stock internals is a 93 octane Custom Tune from a high quality great local tuner. One that already did hundreds of the same car made their mistakes already.second thing keep your PSI below 10 mine is 9 psi Jackson Racing Supercharger. Get the HP Radiator with built in oil cooler a must for reliability. Also get HP EL ceramic coated quality headers you get what you pay for hp straight through exhaust for the most power so you don't always have to go up to 8 or 9 psi because the exhaust safely adds around 20 or 25 pound feet torque mid range too. 3rd off don't ever rev past redline could risk blowing up engine or valvetraine. My car puts out close to 335 BHP and 265 torque fly wheel. Too much can damage engine. This amount is reliable and makes the car feel, sound, and accelerate exotic! I did leave out all cats, three designators. Two on front pipe over pipe. One on Cat back all pipes are 3 inch Freddy Evolution GT deep rich Sound like the fast and furious Supra like behives going off
Got mine ordered and on the way. Ordered silver just like the one shown in the beginning of this video.
Others : doing hybrid/electric motor
subaru : bore-up, more CC more power 🤣
Dodge: "oh, look, you can fit a Hellcat motor in this one too!"
@@dre04mach
Ford: Stuffs a V8 in the Raptor
Dodge: Stuffs a Hellcat in the Ram 1500
GM: _Crickets_
Better than all my teachers I’ve ever had in my life
Damn this had some major lightbulb moments for me
From scene kid to gray fox, still the best. Man, you're a beast! Ps: I cry every time I see people complaining about the lack of turbo in a BRZ/86, thank you for this video.
Great attention to detail with catching a glimpse of the power curves and the engine break down! Great video 👍🏻
I actually like the styling of the old brz. The styling was sharper and more angular. This car looks more bloated and bulbous. I like the new n/a engine tho!
I think we have to see it in person. I changed my opinion on the design of cars so many times once I've seen them driving on the streets
"13.5:1 compression"
Waiting to see the line of turbo bois with broken engines
Thats a lot of compresion. In turbo aplications they will need low comp pistons so will be a expensive engine to put turbo. But...really needs turbo? I think the power and torqie in the gr86 is just perfect
@@MElekiaZ I agree! I've got a set of headers in mine to smooth out the torque curve. It's so fun and linear now that I honestly cant imagine putting a turbo in it.
I always like when Jason is doing a math equation, it slowly zooms in
...while i slowly zoom out XD
Good camera work
Great explanation and I’m convinced. Issue is most people are probably comparing brz against STI
Definitely on my list of cars I a want. If I get the chance to get one, I'm getting one.
If they added a centrifugal supercharger package this thing would sell like hotcakes
Hoping for an NA flat 6 in the generation after this one
P.S I love my BRZ 😍
Not for 30k it won’t happen lol. That would basically make the car a GT3/GT4 Porsche...
I am just hoping there will be another generation after this one. I plan to buy a new car in about 10 years. The last BRZ lasted 9 years. So I would buy a 3rd gen BRZ if there is one. If not I woukd get a used 2nd gen BRZ.
400z probably better deal for hp/$ when it comes out
@@cafe88racer53 I don't care too much about hp. If I wanted more hp amd also didn't mind a heavier car I would get a Mustang. Most people don't use that extra hp anyways unless they are at a track or doing drag races. Even then, I'd have more fun with a lower hp car at a track as I can use all of the car. It's the chassis of the BRZ which I like. The extra bump in low-end torque in the 2022 BRZ makes it punchier around town, which i also like as that's something that the previous gen lacked. Also I would never want to by a performance car that is over 3000lbs. So that means BRZ/86, Miata, or base Cayman. All other perfomance cars that are under 3000lbs are like over $100k because they are all carbon fiber and are also too powerful/impractical for my liking anyways. I will admit that the previous two Z generations come very close to meeting my criteria and I wouldn't dislike having one, I'd just would like the 2022 BRZ more.
The Celica was slow, the 240sx was slow, the prelude was slow, the Miata was slow, it’s fine.
Every one who is serious about performance turbos, supercharges, or swaps engines in those cars, the 240sx & Miata are examples of good platform cars (can't speak for the prelude, I don't FF).
I'm thinking about getting one since I sold my wrx last year. Im moving south so I can get a rear wheel car. Very enticing since these are a dying breed and a true sports car. Manual+rear wheel+NA=pure drivers car.
Manufacturers are never going to make it what you want it to be so make it your own. Excellent Video as always Jason!
The new engine with some bolt-ons and a e85 tune probably rip pretty good
Yeah easy 250+hp and 200+tq to the wheels (without any FI).
Regarding horsepower, everyone always whines, “more, more, more”. The trick in all good design is to set the RIGHT level. That is rarely the MAX level.
thats a good point that a lot of people dont consider. A civic with 500 hp is possible but completely ridiculous. A civic with 300 is nice
size and weight seem to have a meaningful impact since smaller cars dont require giant v8's to "feel" fast.
The sensible approach is to make sure that the vehicle doesn't have more power than the chassis can handle. At the end of the day maintaining high speeds during cornering is key to being fastest around a track. And for most cars, the smartest place to spend money is towards improving rims/tires and brakes, followed by suspension upgrades.
But most people care about winning at the stop light drag strip.
@@musek5048 motorcyclists know that you feel a hell of a lot faster on a Grom than you do a GSX-R 1000. Constantly hitting the rev limiter of a tiny engine is much more satisfying than barely being able to open the taps of a much larger engine.
@@TomSJazzBass sometimes in life less is more!
Before even watching, I'm saying the turbo crowd has already moved in lol
The new BRZ has the front end of a Viper, the rear end of an NSX and the side profile of a Mustang GT. I love it btw!
FYI, the torque dip on the old BRZ is due to the catalytic converter on the header. When I changed the header on my BRZ, it completely changed the acceleration feel of the car.
I can pretty much agree. Lots of research on ft86club
Plus Ascent is a heavy-ass minivan like SUV, with a CVT that kills any chance of a "kick in the seat" entirely
Man, took a long time to have an engine to catch up (lightly surpass) to the F20/F22 engine in the S2000.
idk most people think the k24 honda engine is better than the s2000 engines
I was going to mention this. They're doing what Honda did with the k20 f20/22c. Honda never used their A-VTEC on their production engines.
The last time I was so early , you still had really dim lighting
Great video. I wish the Impreza and Crosstrek would inherit the old BRZ engine with D4S.
Great idea!
cant wait to see it in dealership, start saving now... well explained Jason!
wait 2-4 years after release then buy it with low miles and save yourself 10k+
Subie Station wagons and SUVs getting more love than their sporty coupe...
I love me some Subie wagons....got two of em 😍
i didnt know we had class today😂
It doesn’t need a turbo but it definitely should have one
Yeah hopefully with a BRZ STi
In brz/gt86 turbo conversions the turbo gets placed in front of the engine and not underneath it, so its not right to say that the new engine would need to get higher if a turbo would get addee to the engine, othwise the rest of the video is very good, thank you.
I can't think of the last time I was this excited about a car I might also be able to conveivably afford a few years after it's released, especially since Honda dropped the coupe version of the Civic Si.