I appreciate that you include crashes in your videos. As a newcomer to FPV terrified of crashing my shiny new drone, you inspire me to know that even the pros crash.
My wife says she prefers the 6" because they typically last longer and perform smoother, but usually settles for 5" despite is short runtime and fast jerky motions because they're more common.
I would like to see you and some guys do a blind flight test where you set up builds at 4.5", 5", 5.5", and 6" quads and fly them back to back and see if you can tell which is which, and which you prefer.
I absolutely agree that bigger props leed to very beautifl and fun big moves. Freestyling my 7" (cuz why not) made me realize that. I am lucky to have big fields wiht small tree islands in them as my main flying location though because you are gonna want a bigger spot for a bigger quad imo.
I second that opinion. 6-7" are dope for anything free range, be that cruise or acro. Also, they just purr beautifully like a mean hornet instead of that mosquito squeel 5" does :P
i own 2x iflight evoques F5Ds and 1x new Evoque F6D for weeks now and figured out the main difference: -The 6inch got so much torque and can carry huge weights, but isnt that fast. (max speeds around 130ish km/h) which makes it the perfect cruiser for me with huge lipos and long flight times over 15min. -The 5inch evoque is so smooth and a lot faster around 190km/h and i use it mainly for shots with the DJI A2 cam. recently i found out that the F6 is my goto quad when it comes to park cruising. because the bigger props its also very silent compared to the screaming 5", but can fly a loooong time with 1 battery and have no problem to carry both of my DJI action 2 cams for some sweet 2 perspective flight shenanigans. i love both versions and freestyle the crap out of them. even i am more like joshua and love to fly them smooth low and fast but no crazy flippyflops. shout out to AKI°
@@divingfalconfpv4602 yes i tested all other. iflight stock props always worked best. if i used others with higher pitch i couldnt get up to speed and just wasted amps in heat. if pitch was bit lower the motors overrev and loose alot efficiency. sooo stock props for me it is
Like you said, the right tool for the right job. I usually pick my quad size depending on the “size” of the spot im gonna fly. No fun flying a 3 inch in a big open field, and not pushing a 10 inch trough a forest.
I've got a 6 inch TBS source two on 2306 1900kv that I fly on 4s. It's my favourite quad. I like big, smooth, medium range freestyle. I agree with your conclusion 100%. The only thing you didn't mention is that 6" can maintain a higher speed with better efficiency than 5". I hope this video brings us more 6" pilots, frames and props. Cheers for all the vids JB.
I’ve been flying 7” with 6” props for a couple of years and they r my go to quads to freestyle. I noticed the smooth large movements with my first build and love that motion. The low smooth sweeping ground speed has a stealth like feel to it like some animal on the prowl. I never get tired of and is pretty cool if you’ve never experienced it. All said and done it’s perfect for me. But then I bring out the 5” and remember why I fell in love with FPV.
I was bout to comment I love my alien 6” with kiss v2 rocking the 32a kiss esc. On karearea toa 2306 1700kv small stator but they have massive magnets and it just blends beautifully… it is definitely more floaty but super smooth and bout a minute longer flights on average. And a lot faster cruising.
@@joshuayoung6286 yeah my quad is actually built for 7” but runs amazingly on 6” Ethix K2 biblades. It’s a freakin beast. So much power for so little weight. It’s actually more enjoyable than my 5” Apexs. This is the quad that I tested DSHot600 vs 2400 blind and could absolutely tell a difference. It even seemed to sound different somehow.
I just decided on the 6 inch because of this. I'm way more into the type of flying you just did here. I'm gonna use it for "sightseeing" areas you can't get to and want the fun and smooth movements. Thanks !
Great video JB as always, I recently transitioned from analogue to DJI and bought the Evoque F5X as my first digital quad after watching your review, and gotta say I absolutely love it, such a solid BnF that flies so well right out the box, thanks again for all that you do, couldn’t be where I am without you!!
Sorry JB, I don't agree with you this time. I think the oversized 2506 motor on that 6" quad is what made it less maneuverable. My last 6" quad (a QAV-R) ran 2207 1900kV EMAX LiteSpec motors @ 6S with HQProp 6030 tri-blades and it flew like a crazy fast freestyle beast. The trick is to keep the motors light and use a light-weight low pitch prop to reduce the torque requirements of the motor. It's no different in principle to those ultra-light 5" quads running under-powered 1507 motors. IMO, the extra long arms actually give the quad greater roll and pitch authority, while the bigger props give more yaw authority, i.e. it's more maneuverable not less. Bigger props are also more efficient that smaller ones, i.e. better flight times!
[summary below] In my opinion, based on four years of flying 6/7", flying 6-7" isn't as simple as just throw in any prop on and fly like you would with 5". You need to be more specific about what you want to do with the quad. The differences between props make all the difference in flight. For speed and accleration higher pitch bi blades are best, like gemfan flash 6x4.2x2. For agility emax LR 6" bi blades work best, they just move like 5". For higher weight loads (like hero9+) but still agile, hq prop 6x3x3 work best. For high weight but more punch and speed, hq 6x4x3. For non collision cruise GN props work better, for expected collisions PC props are a better choice. For efficiency/agility you go bi blades, for stability/weight you go tri blades. For cruise you go with lower pitch, for climbing you go with higher. You have to choose the right battery for the job as well. You won't go for a long range proxy cruise or a cloud surfing with 1000/1300mah, cause you ain't gonna make it (or back) in time without frying the battery. Higher weight = higher prop pitch if you expect to avoid obstacles at fast speeds. 1550 mah seems to be a good all-rounder for flight time and weight if you want to stick to one battery type. 1800mah 5s flies a bit longer tho. Depends on what your flying spots and time to fly are. If you can go only to very local spots low altitude+high density - 5" (50-200 radious meter spot), If you can go to suburbs/country side+mid altitude 6"(200-500meter spot), if you can go on an outdoors trip+high altitude 7"(500+meter spot). Best thing to do is actually get a two-three packs of different props and run through them at some spots, then pay attention to why some of them felt better than others in some applications and in some felt worse. Keep an eye on amp consumption and flight time to learn how to pick the right props for your specific quad and application (weight, battery, props and job you want to do). A 6/7" prop for proximity freestyle with session/action2 in tight area is not a prop for free range cruise with hero6, not a prop for open field freestyle with hero6-8, nor a prop for hero9+ climbing/downhill. Sure they can be used as such with a certain range of satisfaction and success in doing so, but they pay you back handsomely if you learn the ways of 6"... also you're gonna learn something ;P It might not be for everybody, but if you chase the personal experience aspect of flight (be that adrenaline rush of proxy acro, high speed proxy cruising/downhill, or chill open field cruise or cloud surfing) or pulling the best out of your footage and location, bigger quads with props and batt matching the job you're about to perform are the way to go. [SUMAMRY] For general purpose - throw in and forget, low-mid weight rigs, i'd personally recommend gemfan flash 6x4.2x2, for higher weight quads - hq 6x4x3 (6x3x3 if you're running 2306) or hq 7x3x3. Bigger location -> bigger quad -> more fun and cine/better optical flow.
I'm glad you made this video. I decided to build a 6" and it's a very stable and smooth flying quad. I don't know too many freestyle tricks and the 6" really helps me slow down the segments of the trick I'm trying to learn, especially with the "float" factor.
Just to be difficult, I like flying 5" quads with 6" arms and 5" props. I could be full of it but I feel that with the motor mass being ever-so-slightly further apart, it feels smoother in the air because there's less interference to the airflow from the fuselage since the motors are further away, especially with yaws. It also means that I can get pretty much the same performance as a 5" but can put 6" props on it if I want smoother flow and using motor scaling. I could be wrong. In fact I probably am, but it's a feel thing. I have found that 6" props are a bit louder too. Maybe because the pitch of the sound is lower so it feels more noticeable.
I definitely notice what you’re saying. I have some 5” setups with normal 2306.5 motors but with 6” arms. It feels great. I like being able to put a 6” prop on these quads for mountain flying or smooth lines when needed.
I fly with 5" arms and usually fly with 5.1" props, but I use these juicy props sometimes that are 4.7" and man they are smooth, less grip, but super smooth.
Want to go 6”, but without searching and researching for another hour, are there less choices of pitch? I have and OG Alien 4” frame w/ 5” arms because back then, I thought it made sense. (Updating all my stuff at we am 8yrs break). Great video BTW!
Im flying 6" since 2018 and prefer it over every 5". But im on 2207 2100kv with gemfan flash 2blades on 4s... 2506 is quite overkill and way to much mass in my opinion. But jeah they feel more calm and locked in than 5" and thats what i want. You cann still do some flippy flopps like a 5" but thats just banging sticks :D ahh btw, my average freestyle time is 5-6 mins when i use the pack whole... What i most times not do. So i can recommend 6" if you got more spots that are a bit open, bandos are fine with it but they belong in open fields You should also check out timmys channel for 6" stuff. He is really good and flies custom frames and so on ruclips.net/video/5gTefyxCJpE/видео.html
I put 2408.5 1900kv on all my 6s 6" builds and run either 5.5" prop or 6" prop. They fly absolutely incredible. Definitely faster than my 5" builds with the FpvCycle motors and really close in agility. I'd be curious to see what you think of that motor and kV compared to that 5" build you flew in the video.
Flippy Flops are great to impress other FPV guys, but nobody else ever wants to watch that footage cause it simply feels desorienting to them and makes them nauseous. So nothing wrong with long hang time and relaxed big lines over trees! I think the motor might be a tad too small for 6" though, giving that the disc loading of a 5.5" just is that 10% bigger and a 2208 or 2506 motor have that slightly above 10% more stator volume compared to 2207. (That's why the 2208 is the suggested choice for an AOS 5.5). And judging from the footage that quad looks like it could need a bit more torque to keep up with its 5" brothers...
The 27% reduction in rpm is partly to save the tips of the props breaking the speed of sound. It’s the same reason that prop driven aircraft engines have to produce all their power on low rpms
@@JoshuaBardwell I did. For a 6", sub .92 mach is 1550kv, .98 mach (about equivalent to a 2000kv 5" 6S) is around 1650kv. Given that kv is not 100% true due to effiiciency I'd go for 1600 - 1650kv for maximum funsies. As to your point about racing, Soren won Nats on a 6" longback, although I think he was running 5" props. The main impediment to racing is the extra weight 6" arms bring (a huge 8 grams or so!) and the durability issues associated with having a longer lever to break your arm with. If I could recommend another test, put 5" motors and props on 6" arms. The clean airflow and extra authority gives a very nice feel.
Pretty fantastic flying and review, Joshua!!! 😃 But you should definitely try a 7" quad some day! And iFlight has a great model! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I mostly fly a 2.5 or 3 inch. I have a 5 inch, and it's great, but I live in the SF bay area and it's _way_ easier to find places to fly with a 2.5" quad.
15:09 best conclusion of the hobby yet! I am one of those odd balls who like to fly something different compared to everyone else. Also based on my style, I like the flowly type of freestyle and not the Flippy floppies. This 6 has peaked my interest, definitely a 7 is not far off!
I think with Betaflight 4.3 the 6inch quad would fly even better. With my iFlight XL7, the difference was already clearly visible with the stock tune (less low throttle instability, softer flight characteristics, better propwash handling). And i love the XL7 for the combination of freestyle and long range flights.
just a thought how about mounting the motors close to the center and run the bigger props with a belt???? wouldn't that make the larger one go like the smaller ones?????
A belt-driven system probably wouldn’t be able to keep up with the rapid changes in motor RPM (hundreds or thousands of times per second), and would likely cause a loss in efficiency as well. Plus it would add weight and complexity. That’s just my guess though.
5" just flies the best, 4" is pretty damn good too. But even just going to 5.2" props, the agility and response starts to tank and it just isnt as fun to fly. The costs start going up with bigger batteries and the quad is heavier so when it crashes you are going to break more stuff.
Funny you mention props.. because I had to show a manufacturer that the Moonlight V2's do work with these 4" sized motors. They don't have to modify the battery compartment on the shaft. All you have to do is trim them them them down for 4" and you can even add winglets like I did.
Which seems low. I measured my long range 5" low pitch low kv at 80mph I would so think 6" be faster. Maybe just cause it is double the weight it would take a lot long to accelerate
@@MadDragon75 oh. Then that's fast for 4" .. didnt even notice the 4 brain like skipped over it to xframe 😂 🤣 My 4" is like 60mph though I built a 3" to be light and quick its 75mph but battery dies like instantly. I should built a 4" to be fast
Why do I feel like if you would have put a higher pitch on a bi blade you would achieve faster turns with more punch. Bi Props, less mass, less drag and faster turns. Pitch of a prop has a whole lot of factor in this balance.
When I got started in this hobby, my first build was a 6 inch, then realized that everyone is flying 5 inch. So I built a 5inch but my daily flyers is a 3 inch. Its quick and fits everywhere .
I love my little 3" too. They fly great at all sorts of weight but a build around 130g (with battery) is nice, loading will be around the same as a 5" @ 600g.
The Evoque F6 v2 is what I want but too expensive for me since I'm in Brazil and our currency is so low. Need to pay 5 times more (in Brazil's money) of the original price and if the band of thieves from the government put their hands on it when it gets here, they charge 92% of taxes. It's insane. What a disgrace of a government.. And I need the goggles and controller too.. I've never touched an FPV. Only dji mini 2 😂😂.... Great video, thank you
I have the Evoque 6 deadcat HD and love it to much for freestyle, 👀can't do it so I fall back to my old five's please try out 4,3, I don't dare to myself because its great as is.
Great review, Bardwell! And yes, I'd love to see the 6in put on bf 4.3. I was unimpressed with some of the wobliness and bounceback handling of the 6in. It's important for us to see whether that is an issue with IFlight's tune or one that is endemic of 6in quads. As a high rate "Mr. Steele" type pilot (not that my skills are anywhere close) I won't be switching anytime soon. But for a cruiser/cinematic build? Possibly. Thanks for all that you do
Hi Josh! Late comment, but still :) You said, that motors on 6" are 10% bigger, but the props area is 44% bigger! That means, your 6" simply has weaker motors, than 5". The closest motor size to compensate for bigger props would be 2508. which is 48% larger, than 2207. The same logic applies to 7", which nowadays use 2806.5 or 2807 motors. While they have a lot of power, still 2807 only 62% bigger than 2207, but 7" prop has almost twice the are of 5"
I always try to match the kwad to the location. 6” is a good size for freestyle in big areas, open scenery tall trees man it just moves through that open space in a way that a 5” high pitch prop rig just can’t do.
I was looking at 5.5" and thinking about 6" cause my hero 9 so heavy lmao. But was thinking 6x3.5x3 or higher pitch prop. Iflight sends it with 6x2.5x3 . Guess to raise flight times Also thought 2507 motor be great
@@chrisbee5481 did 6" evoque F6D has 2506 1500kV 6x2.5x3 props right now. Under powered but fine filming. I have 6x3x3 & 6x3.5x3 props I'll try when I break a prop
@@chrisbee5481 the BoB57 ? Omg I wish I saw that before I bought. Love that one Besides just being fun drone. I do film with it. I could made usb c to hero10 bones plug so no pluging into balance lead (my plug broke on my vacation so can use hero10 bones now lol)
Do you have PID tunes for the F5 for Betaflight 4.3? I am new to PID tuning and have what seems a good tune, but I'd love to compare to yours (Evoque F5X 6S w/ DJI). Love yout channel! So informative!
Hi, Joshua from Ukraine, Kyiv! My name is Serhii! I'm going to assemble an FPV drone. And I want to choose the frame for it. Thinking And I review several variants for Freestyle: SpeedyBee Master 5 V2 Frame Kit ImpulseRC Apex EVO 5" FPV Frame Kit iFlight Nazgul Evoque V2 Frame Kit GEPRC Mark5 Pro DC O3 Frame Also I've mixed up which type of frame to choose, DC or X. I will be so glad if you recommend which is best and also maybe some of you have experience with these frames. Or Maybe you recommend somthing else? Thank you in advance!
I just found it weird sent it with 6x2.5x3 low pitch props. instead of 6x3.5x3 props.. I ordered the deadcat. figure hauling a heavy Hero10 6" would help. I also ordered 6x3.5x3 props to try.
I freestyle 7in because they just float and glide. They also give you WAY more battery flexibility. My snappiest freestyle quad is 5.5in because I could never get a 5in to do what I wanted with the Hero 9/10
Thanks for the review, i got the f6 because it's in line with my flying style: smooth, fast. I can't wait to try it out. I'd also like to see this one on bf 4.3! 👍
How about 5” motors on a 6”? I had a Helix quad setup like this and it flew so good, I’ve also just built a 6” Apex DC with 5” motors well almost built can’t find a kiss fc in Australia anywhere and kiss ultras aren’t real 😆pretty sure they only exist in the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow 🌈
You mention that 2506 has 10% more volume than the 5" motor, but a 6" prop has 20% more diameter and 44% more area than a 5" prop. Not gonna assume or imply that you NEED to match volume to area (or even diameter) and I'm saving my judgement to the end of the video (so I can see how it flies, myself), but... Shouldn't you have at least a little more volume than 10% more on a 6-inch? *End of video update:* I think it's gonna be a maybe. There are so many factors to consider with quad physics that it's difficult for the average person to deal with, hence what you said about the cultural reason for not flying 6" is BS. The main thing I want to bring up is disc loading theory and how 4, 5, and 6 inch compare. 4 inches has a disc area of roughly 50 square inches. 5 inch is roughly 80 square inches. 6 inch is roughly 120 square inches. 5-inch quads typically run around 800 grams with ultralight racing builds (that I suppose aren't compromised in some way) running around half of that (I assume). This gives us a disc loading ratio of 10:1 and 5:1 respectively. Converting that to 4-inch gives us a range of 250 to 500 grams, and converting it to 6-inch gives a range of 600 to 1200 grams. So think about it, how well do 250-gram 4-inch builds fly? From what I've seen and understand; if they have the right motors, KV, and props; Pretty damn well. Which leads me to another thing; KV, Props, and RPM. Tip speed is a concern when it comes to the RPM of any given propeller size. Your props can only spin so fast while your quad is going so fast through the air before the tips break the sound barrier and cause some seriously strange and potentially catastrophic events. 1850kv on 6s is roughly 46k RPM at peak voltage. On a 5-inch prop, that's roughly 1000 feet per second tip speed, which leaves you with only another 100fps of leeway if you're REALLY pushing it before you break the sound barrier. 100fps is 68MPH. Now there are FAR more factors that play into the whole tip speed problem than just that, and there are certainly things that can be done in the aerodynamic designs of the props that can mitigate that, but the point I'm trying to make is that this RPM to stator volume to torque to weight to disc loading thing is the key to making ANY size or setup fly well. Yes, there are absolutes that will limit us, but that's what RATIOS are for. If we can still hit the ratios and match things up, we should theoretically be able to get any size quad feel within 10%-20% or so of the next size up or down quad in terms of how it feels to fly. And also, since I couldn't fit in anywhere in that diatribe, I'd like to point out a rule of thumb I considered yesterday: It seems that for ideal performance, you need about 1-cell of lithium per inch of propeller on a quadcopter to fly well, and going up or down a cell or two will also work fine, depending on weight. It's why 5" flew fine on 4s for years, but saw an amazing improvement with 6s, and why 6s is way overkill for something like a 3-inch. Also explains why 7-inch (for acro/racing) has seen improvements with guys going to 8s, and why Macro class and Beast/X-class both run 12s for optimum performance, but can survive on 8s and up.
One of my favorite quads to fly in big areas is a 6" hyperlite floss 3.0 with the team edition 2205.5 1722 kv motors on a 2200mah 6s pack with prettt low pitch props. The combination of light 6" frame with good but a tad undersized motors makes it so chill when theres big pretty scenery between obstacles to do freestyle around. And I love the float especially when upside down. But if im flying in a tighter space ill usually still default to a 5" with 2207.5 motors with the same kv but an aggressive prop and let the amps pull it through any maneuvering necessary with immediate authority.
Interesting. Might've been for me if I hadn't already ordered the Sector D5. But I still don't know why your GoPro got killed. Should've taken the hit in the tree in its stride...
So coming from submarines the screw are skewed with a particular shape for optimal efficiency. I'm curious as to why quadcopter props don't have similar optimizes shapes.
Joshua Bardwell; the Bob Ross of FPV. “Don’t Flippy flop, just fly some nice flowing lines. Maybe a happy little split-s over here…” love the vids JB looks like a fun quad. Sorry about the GoPro ;(
This week I was contemplating getting the Evoque F6X.. and BAM! Bardwell delivers! to bad there's no 4s analog version because I have no 6S lipo's or a 6s capable charger.. O well...
I built a 7 inch and could do lighter freestyle but never could get it tuned exactly right. I always had some issues props sounded like they were going to explode above 30 percent throttle.props were harder to find. Most of my issue were the motors were 1800kv on 6s and I should have been at like a 1300kv motor for 6s which is all I fly. Motors were 2806.5 1800kv on 6s. Lol oopps. Mostly ended up using it as a camera drone it will fly like 30 minutes on a 1800mah 6s pack so it was fun for getting out there At least.
I run emax rsii2306 on my xl6 6inch and 2506 on my 7inch, motors don't need to be that big, it's just a faster smoother more flowy flyer then my 5 inch quads, it works great for chasing ground vehicles
Have you flown a EMAX Hawk Pro JB, super maneuverable, super smooth and super fast man. I have the Evoque and while it is wonderful!!! IMO the Hawk Pro hands down.
This is very interesting watching this video as I had a independent thought earlier today. The best will be 3" 6" n 9" for lr n six was the one for free style. This contradicts my thinking. But sounds right. The 5.5 aos. Frame sounded interesting n after reading comments I should want one. I'd like to see a comparison 5 vs 5.5" is the difference noticeable? Sounds so
Hi josh, i want to get a 6 inch quad for chasing mountainbikes going fast down mountains i tight spaces. Which quad for uk would you advise to consider?
Thank you for this video, I'm in the process of purchasing a new drone... I was considering the f6 but now I know I should buy the f5 Great video, keep it up!
Got an iFlight XL6 frame from Banggood during a flash sale… let’s see what I’ll do with it. Certainly not as sexy as a 5 inch. But simply couldn’t resist for less than 20 Euros. And in the end I like long smooth lines. So it could be a good frame for me…
Got my wvoque stuck in a 60 foot tree last week and I had to blow the motors off of it to get it down. I didn't think I was getting it back for a few mins lmao😂. Landed cam first from 60 feet up and I just had to tighten up the mount screws and put new props on it. Its a seriously durable frame. I crash every day because I'm new and I push it really hatd haha
I flew a 6 inch apex with 2807.5 1722kv for a while freestyling doing flippy flops and what not. was nice cuz I could swap 5 inch props and still rip ass and it flew a lot more stable getting cleaner air
probably was made for cinematic shots that require a little bit of freestyle? sorta like chasing drift cars and motocross jumps where you do not need the flippy flops
can't find good quality 6 inch props anywhere, which is a problem because the extra moment of inertia means you tweak and snap them way more often. the extra lift for a gopro is great, but I'd totally discount 6 inch as a dead category, go 7 or 5.
i looked outside the 5inch box, and i got a safer, less scary 4inch. i get the lower disc loading of a 6inch, but on a sub 250g build. not the same, no, but i had a 500g+ 5inch, and that was terrifying.
Josh I don't think that it's a fair match up why not run the same kv do one with both being 1800 kv plz putting a bigger motor and making it spin slower dosnt seem fair to me and 1800 kv for the bigger motor isn't too much I think
Hi Josh Great video on the 6in quads. I like trying different things out. I just don't know much about 5in yet about 6in. I stick with micros. But I have been flying 4in for the last couple of years, and I have tried to find the right motor for my own experience. Thanks for the video and information on 6in.
if i had easy access to good hobby shops for parts like in the states I would probably experiment more on the type and sizes of frames.. but for now I guess I would stick with what most pilots around me fly since spare parts are easier to source that way.. great video JB!
You might wanna try out 6 inch 2 blade props (I recommend the Emax avan long range) they have a very different flight performance to both 5 and 6 inch 3 blades. If you have a light 6 inch setup (below 800 grams) 2 blade is definitely worth a try (and even above that they are still phenomenal). Great Video
6 inches also carry a gopro with much ease and actually can still running on the same motor and batteries of a 5inch. Longer flight times and higer speed.. so yeah why not try it..
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I appreciate that you include crashes in your videos. As a newcomer to FPV terrified of crashing my shiny new drone, you inspire me to know that even the pros crash.
My wife says she prefers the 6" because they typically last longer and perform smoother, but usually settles for 5" despite is short runtime and fast jerky motions because they're more common.
LMAO
We're still talking about quads? 😁😂
@@ATN007 I am not sure 😅
5.5 sounds like a nice compromise
Bruh this comment made my day, right here officer
Search for Lethal Conception UFK. 6" with extreme camera angles. Bingo.
I would like to see you and some guys do a blind flight test where you set up builds at 4.5", 5", 5.5", and 6" quads and fly them back to back and see if you can tell which is which, and which you prefer.
That would be a great video.
This woudl be an awsome video!
Great idea!!!! I want to see that episode!
I absolutely agree that bigger props leed to very beautifl and fun big moves. Freestyling my 7" (cuz why not) made me realize that. I am lucky to have big fields wiht small tree islands in them as my main flying location though because you are gonna want a bigger spot for a bigger quad imo.
What do you fly?
just built a tbs source one 7 inch ..it sounds like a monster on bi blades.i prefer it to my xl5
@@ChrisParayno 7" is cutsom build: MAmba F722
Hobbywing Xrotor 60A
T-motor F90 1300kV
Chimera7 Frame
Oh yeah props are HQ 7x3.5x3
I second that opinion. 6-7" are dope for anything free range, be that cruise or acro. Also, they just purr beautifully like a mean hornet instead of that mosquito squeel 5" does :P
i own 2x iflight evoques F5Ds and 1x new Evoque F6D for weeks now and figured out the main difference:
-The 6inch got so much torque and can carry huge weights, but isnt that fast. (max speeds around 130ish km/h) which makes it the perfect cruiser for me with huge lipos and long flight times over 15min.
-The 5inch evoque is so smooth and a lot faster around 190km/h and i use it mainly for shots with the DJI A2 cam.
recently i found out that the F6 is my goto quad when it comes to park cruising. because the bigger props its also very silent compared to the screaming 5", but can fly a loooong time with 1 battery and have no problem to carry both of my DJI action 2 cams for some sweet 2 perspective flight shenanigans.
i love both versions and freestyle the crap out of them. even i am more like joshua and love to fly them smooth low and fast but no crazy flippyflops.
shout out to AKI°
Fully agree with everything you said.
@@ttttenney 🤙🤜
What props? The stock 6x2.5x3?
@@divingfalconfpv4602 yes i tested all other. iflight stock props always worked best. if i used others with higher pitch i couldnt get up to speed and just wasted amps in heat. if pitch was bit lower the motors overrev and loose alot efficiency. sooo stock props for me it is
@@cloudpandarism2627 ok awesome to know. This looking good. Was going to build aos5.5 but a bnf be so simple
I vote yes for seeing Betaflight 4.3 on both quads. I own both and would like your opinion before I make the jump. Great video Professor Bardwell!
what do you think about the F6? Can it freestyle? compare to f5?
Like you said, the right tool for the right job. I usually pick my quad size depending on the “size” of the spot im gonna fly. No fun flying a 3 inch in a big open field, and not pushing a 10 inch trough a forest.
I've got a 6 inch TBS source two on 2306 1900kv that I fly on 4s. It's my favourite quad. I like big, smooth, medium range freestyle. I agree with your conclusion 100%. The only thing you didn't mention is that 6" can maintain a higher speed with better efficiency than 5". I hope this video brings us more 6" pilots, frames and props. Cheers for all the vids JB.
i just have 1 fpv drone, and it's 6" foldable drone.😅
i like to be a mountain surfer and do a long range flight to the top of mountain.
I’ve been flying 7” with 6” props for a couple of years and they r my go to quads to freestyle. I noticed the smooth large movements with my first build and love that motion. The low smooth sweeping ground speed has a stealth like feel to it like some animal on the prowl. I never get tired of and is pretty cool if you’ve never experienced it. All said and done it’s perfect for me. But then I bring out the 5” and remember why I fell in love with FPV.
I often freestyle a 6" Reverb with Kiss V2/T-Motor F55A Pro II and 2806.5 Xing motors. Its absolutely amazing.
I was bout to comment I love my alien 6” with kiss v2 rocking the 32a kiss esc. On karearea toa 2306 1700kv small stator but they have massive magnets and it just blends beautifully… it is definitely more floaty but super smooth and bout a minute longer flights on average. And a lot faster cruising.
@@joshuayoung6286 yeah my quad is actually built for 7” but runs amazingly on 6” Ethix K2 biblades. It’s a freakin beast. So much power for so little weight. It’s actually more enjoyable than my 5” Apexs. This is the quad that I tested DSHot600 vs 2400 blind and could absolutely tell a difference. It even seemed to sound different somehow.
Yes, put BF 4.3 on it and try to rune it out. I'd love to see that.
I've seen guys rip with a 7" great review JB cheers
I just decided on the 6 inch because of this. I'm way more into the type of flying you just did here. I'm gonna use it for "sightseeing" areas you can't get to and want the fun and smooth movements. Thanks !
I fly 6" quads since more then two years and I am freaking loving it!! Give it a go. For me the advantages are very noticeable 👍🏼😎☀️
Happy flying :)
Great video JB as always, I recently transitioned from analogue to DJI and bought the Evoque F5X as my first digital quad after watching your review, and gotta say I absolutely love it, such a solid BnF that flies so well right out the box, thanks again for all that you do, couldn’t be where I am without you!!
Sorry JB, I don't agree with you this time. I think the oversized 2506 motor on that 6" quad is what made it less maneuverable. My last 6" quad (a QAV-R) ran 2207 1900kV EMAX LiteSpec motors @ 6S with HQProp 6030 tri-blades and it flew like a crazy fast freestyle beast. The trick is to keep the motors light and use a light-weight low pitch prop to reduce the torque requirements of the motor. It's no different in principle to those ultra-light 5" quads running under-powered 1507 motors. IMO, the extra long arms actually give the quad greater roll and pitch authority, while the bigger props give more yaw authority, i.e. it's more maneuverable not less. Bigger props are also more efficient that smaller ones, i.e. better flight times!
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In my opinion, based on four years of flying 6/7", flying 6-7" isn't as simple as just throw in any prop on and fly like you would with 5". You need to be more specific about what you want to do with the quad. The differences between props make all the difference in flight.
For speed and accleration higher pitch bi blades are best, like gemfan flash 6x4.2x2.
For agility emax LR 6" bi blades work best, they just move like 5".
For higher weight loads (like hero9+) but still agile, hq prop 6x3x3 work best.
For high weight but more punch and speed, hq 6x4x3.
For non collision cruise GN props work better, for expected collisions PC props are a better choice.
For efficiency/agility you go bi blades, for stability/weight you go tri blades.
For cruise you go with lower pitch, for climbing you go with higher.
You have to choose the right battery for the job as well. You won't go for a long range proxy cruise or a cloud surfing with 1000/1300mah, cause you ain't gonna make it (or back) in time without frying the battery. Higher weight = higher prop pitch if you expect to avoid obstacles at fast speeds.
1550 mah seems to be a good all-rounder for flight time and weight if you want to stick to one battery type. 1800mah 5s flies a bit longer tho.
Depends on what your flying spots and time to fly are. If you can go only to very local spots low altitude+high density - 5" (50-200 radious meter spot), If you can go to suburbs/country side+mid altitude 6"(200-500meter spot), if you can go on an outdoors trip+high altitude 7"(500+meter spot).
Best thing to do is actually get a two-three packs of different props and run through them at some spots, then pay attention to why some of them felt better than others in some applications and in some felt worse.
Keep an eye on amp consumption and flight time to learn how to pick the right props for your specific quad and application (weight, battery, props and job you want to do).
A 6/7" prop for proximity freestyle with session/action2 in tight area is not a prop for free range cruise with hero6, not a prop for open field freestyle with hero6-8, nor a prop for hero9+ climbing/downhill.
Sure they can be used as such with a certain range of satisfaction and success in doing so, but they pay you back handsomely if you learn the ways of 6"... also you're gonna learn something ;P
It might not be for everybody, but if you chase the personal experience aspect of flight (be that adrenaline rush of proxy acro, high speed proxy cruising/downhill, or chill open field cruise or cloud surfing) or pulling the best out of your footage and location, bigger quads with props and batt matching the job you're about to perform are the way to go.
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For general purpose - throw in and forget, low-mid weight rigs, i'd personally recommend gemfan flash 6x4.2x2, for higher weight quads - hq 6x4x3 (6x3x3 if you're running 2306) or hq 7x3x3.
Bigger location -> bigger quad -> more fun and cine/better optical flow.
I'm glad you made this video. I decided to build a 6" and it's a very stable and smooth flying quad. I don't know too many freestyle tricks and the 6" really helps me slow down the segments of the trick I'm trying to learn, especially with the "float" factor.
Just to be difficult, I like flying 5" quads with 6" arms and 5" props. I could be full of it but I feel that with the motor mass being ever-so-slightly further apart, it feels smoother in the air because there's less interference to the airflow from the fuselage since the motors are further away, especially with yaws. It also means that I can get pretty much the same performance as a 5" but can put 6" props on it if I want smoother flow and using motor scaling. I could be wrong. In fact I probably am, but it's a feel thing.
I have found that 6" props are a bit louder too. Maybe because the pitch of the sound is lower so it feels more noticeable.
Yup, it has less prop wash from the body.
I definitely notice what you’re saying. I have some 5” setups with normal 2306.5 motors but with 6” arms. It feels great. I like being able to put a 6” prop on these quads for mountain flying or smooth lines when needed.
I fly with 5" arms and usually fly with 5.1" props, but I use these juicy props sometimes that are 4.7" and man they are smooth, less grip, but super smooth.
Want to go 6”, but without searching and researching for another hour, are there less choices of pitch? I have and OG Alien 4” frame w/ 5” arms because back then, I thought it made sense. (Updating all my stuff at we am 8yrs break). Great video BTW!
Im flying 6" since 2018 and prefer it over every 5". But im on 2207 2100kv with gemfan flash 2blades on 4s... 2506 is quite overkill and way to much mass in my opinion. But jeah they feel more calm and locked in than 5" and thats what i want. You cann still do some flippy flopps like a 5" but thats just banging sticks :D ahh btw, my average freestyle time is 5-6 mins when i use the pack whole... What i most times not do.
So i can recommend 6" if you got more spots that are a bit open, bandos are fine with it but they belong in open fields
You should also check out timmys channel for 6" stuff. He is really good and flies custom frames and so on
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Great video Joshua. Iflight did a good job on the tune on the Evoque. No doubt. But I would love to see it in 4.3
I've been flying the Azure Power 6145 props on my Mr Croc 7 inch frame. I like how it flies on the 6 inch props and 1500kv 2807 motors.
I put 2408.5 1900kv on all my 6s 6" builds and run either 5.5" prop or 6" prop. They fly absolutely incredible. Definitely faster than my 5" builds with the FpvCycle motors and really close in agility.
I'd be curious to see what you think of that motor and kV compared to that 5" build you flew in the video.
Flippy Flops are great to impress other FPV guys, but nobody else ever wants to watch that footage cause it simply feels desorienting to them and makes them nauseous. So nothing wrong with long hang time and relaxed big lines over trees!
I think the motor might be a tad too small for 6" though, giving that the disc loading of a 5.5" just is that 10% bigger and a 2208 or 2506 motor have that slightly above 10% more stator volume compared to 2207. (That's why the 2208 is the suggested choice for an AOS 5.5). And judging from the footage that quad looks like it could need a bit more torque to keep up with its 5" brothers...
And even a bit more RPM could help also.
you've tried probably the worst 6" props for freestyle, haha
would recommend GF5536 5.5" or T-motor T6143;)
I second the tmotor 6143! They're super fun - so much grip!
The 27% reduction in rpm is partly to save the tips of the props breaking the speed of sound. It’s the same reason that prop driven aircraft engines have to produce all their power on low rpms
I have seen 7" props run at 1900 kv so I'm not sure that's true about the 2500 kv 6" props on the evoque. But I haven't run the math.
@@JoshuaBardwell I did. For a 6", sub .92 mach is 1550kv, .98 mach (about equivalent to a 2000kv 5" 6S) is around 1650kv. Given that kv is not 100% true due to effiiciency I'd go for 1600 - 1650kv for maximum funsies. As to your point about racing, Soren won Nats on a 6" longback, although I think he was running 5" props. The main impediment to racing is the extra weight 6" arms bring (a huge 8 grams or so!) and the durability issues associated with having a longer lever to break your arm with.
If I could recommend another test, put 5" motors and props on 6" arms. The clean airflow and extra authority gives a very nice feel.
@@xgoodvibesx Also... How often are people actually at or near max RPMs?
Maybe the 1900 kv was on 4S.
If you fly a session style camera run 5", if you run a massive go pro run 6"
Yes please put 4.3 on it and make a video 🤘
Same on the smooth, flowy lines. I know people like to see the snappy precision stuff, but I just don't enjoy flying that way.
Yes please make a video with betaflight 4.3 on this.
Pretty fantastic flying and review, Joshua!!! 😃
But you should definitely try a 7" quad some day! And iFlight has a great model!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I mostly fly a 2.5 or 3 inch. I have a 5 inch, and it's great, but I live in the SF bay area and it's _way_ easier to find places to fly with a 2.5" quad.
15:09 best conclusion of the hobby yet! I am one of those odd balls who like to fly something different compared to everyone else. Also based on my style, I like the flowly type of freestyle and not the Flippy floppies. This 6 has peaked my interest, definitely a 7 is not far off!
I think with Betaflight 4.3 the 6inch quad would fly even better. With my iFlight XL7, the difference was already clearly visible with the stock tune (less low throttle instability, softer flight characteristics, better propwash handling). And i love the XL7 for the combination of freestyle and long range flights.
I'm going to do this with my XL8
just a thought how about mounting the motors close to the center and run the bigger props with a belt???? wouldn't that make the larger one go like the smaller ones?????
A belt-driven system probably wouldn’t be able to keep up with the rapid changes in motor RPM (hundreds or thousands of times per second), and would likely cause a loss in efficiency as well. Plus it would add weight and complexity. That’s just my guess though.
5" just flies the best, 4" is pretty damn good too. But even just going to 5.2" props, the agility and response starts to tank and it just isnt as fun to fly. The costs start going up with bigger batteries and the quad is heavier so when it crashes you are going to break more stuff.
Funny you mention props.. because I had to show a manufacturer that the Moonlight V2's do work with these 4" sized motors.
They don't have to modify the battery compartment on the shaft. All you have to do is trim them them them down for 4" and you can even add winglets like I did.
If you're into the 6" quad thing I would suggest trying the Azure 6145 BSP prop!
I'm happy with 4" X frame for race and freestyle. It's quick.. Nearly 80MPH according to Andy RC's radar.
To each their own.
Don't fly 6in butttttt I don't even need to watch the vid, haaaaang time baby
@@SuperWills999 yeah. Can't deny the smooth flow.
Which seems low. I measured my long range 5" low pitch low kv at 80mph
I would so think 6" be faster. Maybe just cause it is double the weight it would take a lot long to accelerate
@@divingfalconfpv4602 I'm flying 4" GEPRC Dolphin.
@@MadDragon75 oh. Then that's fast for 4" .. didnt even notice the 4 brain like skipped over it to xframe 😂 🤣
My 4" is like 60mph though I built a 3" to be light and quick its 75mph but battery dies like instantly. I should built a 4" to be fast
Why do I feel like if you would have put a higher pitch on a bi blade you would achieve faster turns with more punch. Bi Props, less mass, less drag and faster turns. Pitch of a prop has a whole lot of factor in this balance.
When I got started in this hobby, my first build was a 6 inch, then realized that everyone is flying 5 inch. So I built a 5inch but my daily flyers is a 3 inch. Its quick and fits everywhere .
What motors and props on your 3 inch ?
I love my little 3" too. They fly great at all sorts of weight but a build around 130g (with battery) is nice, loading will be around the same as a 5" @ 600g.
The Evoque F6 v2 is what I want but too expensive for me since I'm in Brazil and our currency is so low. Need to pay 5 times more (in Brazil's money) of the original price and if the band of thieves from the government put their hands on it when it gets here, they charge 92% of taxes. It's insane. What a disgrace of a government..
And I need the goggles and controller too.. I've never touched an FPV. Only dji mini 2 😂😂....
Great video, thank you
I have the Evoque 6 deadcat HD and love it to much for freestyle, 👀can't do it so I fall back to my old five's
please try out 4,3, I don't dare to myself because its great as is.
You can get it even better on 4.3...You're missing out!
Great review, Bardwell! And yes, I'd love to see the 6in put on bf 4.3. I was unimpressed with some of the wobliness and bounceback handling of the 6in. It's important for us to see whether that is an issue with IFlight's tune or one that is endemic of 6in quads. As a high rate "Mr. Steele" type pilot (not that my skills are anywhere close) I won't be switching anytime soon. But for a cruiser/cinematic build? Possibly. Thanks for all that you do
Check out Chris Rosser here on youtube. his process will walk you through tuning any quad. he also has it for BF4.2 and 4.3
Hi Josh! Late comment, but still :) You said, that motors on 6" are 10% bigger, but the props area is 44% bigger! That means, your 6" simply has weaker motors, than 5". The closest motor size to compensate for bigger props would be 2508. which is 48% larger, than 2207. The same logic applies to 7", which nowadays use 2806.5 or 2807 motors. While they have a lot of power, still 2807 only 62% bigger than 2207, but 7" prop has almost twice the are of 5"
I always try to match the kwad to the location. 6” is a good size for freestyle in big areas, open scenery tall trees man it just moves through that open space in a way that a 5” high pitch prop rig just can’t do.
I was looking at 5.5" and thinking about 6" cause my hero 9 so heavy lmao. But was thinking 6x3.5x3 or higher pitch prop. Iflight sends it with 6x2.5x3 . Guess to raise flight times
Also thought 2507 motor be great
What setup did you decide on? 5.5 or 6 inch on what motors?
@@chrisbee5481 did 6" evoque F6D has 2506 1500kV
6x2.5x3 props right now. Under powered but fine filming. I have 6x3x3 & 6x3.5x3 props I'll try when I break a prop
@@divingfalconfpv4602 the new iflight 6 inch uses gemfan 6032.
Maybe those are worth a try.
@@chrisbee5481 the BoB57 ? Omg I wish I saw that before I bought. Love that one
Besides just being fun drone. I do film with it. I could made usb c to hero10 bones plug so no pluging into balance lead (my plug broke on my vacation so can use hero10 bones now lol)
Do you have PID tunes for the F5 for Betaflight 4.3? I am new to PID tuning and have what seems a good tune, but I'd love to compare to yours (Evoque F5X 6S w/ DJI). Love yout channel! So informative!
Hi, Joshua from Ukraine, Kyiv! My name is Serhii!
I'm going to assemble an FPV drone. And I want to choose the frame for it. Thinking And I review several variants for Freestyle:
SpeedyBee Master 5 V2 Frame Kit
ImpulseRC Apex EVO 5" FPV Frame Kit
iFlight Nazgul Evoque V2 Frame Kit
GEPRC Mark5 Pro DC O3 Frame
Also I've mixed up which type of frame to choose, DC or X.
I will be so glad if you recommend which is best and also maybe some of you have experience with these frames.
Or Maybe you recommend somthing else?
Thank you in advance!
I just found it weird sent it with 6x2.5x3 low pitch props. instead of 6x3.5x3 props.. I ordered the deadcat. figure hauling a heavy Hero10 6" would help. I also ordered 6x3.5x3 props to try.
I freestyle 7in because they just float and glide. They also give you WAY more battery flexibility. My snappiest freestyle quad is 5.5in because I could never get a 5in to do what I wanted with the Hero 9/10
Thanks for the review, i got the f6 because it's in line with my flying style: smooth, fast.
I can't wait to try it out.
I'd also like to see this one on bf 4.3! 👍
How about 5” motors on a 6”? I had a Helix quad setup like this and it flew so good, I’ve also just built a 6” Apex DC with 5” motors well almost built can’t find a kiss fc in Australia anywhere and kiss ultras aren’t real 😆pretty sure they only exist in the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow 🌈
You mention that 2506 has 10% more volume than the 5" motor, but a 6" prop has 20% more diameter and 44% more area than a 5" prop. Not gonna assume or imply that you NEED to match volume to area (or even diameter) and I'm saving my judgement to the end of the video (so I can see how it flies, myself), but... Shouldn't you have at least a little more volume than 10% more on a 6-inch?
*End of video update:* I think it's gonna be a maybe. There are so many factors to consider with quad physics that it's difficult for the average person to deal with, hence what you said about the cultural reason for not flying 6" is BS. The main thing I want to bring up is disc loading theory and how 4, 5, and 6 inch compare.
4 inches has a disc area of roughly 50 square inches.
5 inch is roughly 80 square inches.
6 inch is roughly 120 square inches.
5-inch quads typically run around 800 grams with ultralight racing builds (that I suppose aren't compromised in some way) running around half of that (I assume). This gives us a disc loading ratio of 10:1 and 5:1 respectively. Converting that to 4-inch gives us a range of 250 to 500 grams, and converting it to 6-inch gives a range of 600 to 1200 grams. So think about it, how well do 250-gram 4-inch builds fly? From what I've seen and understand; if they have the right motors, KV, and props; Pretty damn well.
Which leads me to another thing; KV, Props, and RPM. Tip speed is a concern when it comes to the RPM of any given propeller size. Your props can only spin so fast while your quad is going so fast through the air before the tips break the sound barrier and cause some seriously strange and potentially catastrophic events. 1850kv on 6s is roughly 46k RPM at peak voltage. On a 5-inch prop, that's roughly 1000 feet per second tip speed, which leaves you with only another 100fps of leeway if you're REALLY pushing it before you break the sound barrier. 100fps is 68MPH.
Now there are FAR more factors that play into the whole tip speed problem than just that, and there are certainly things that can be done in the aerodynamic designs of the props that can mitigate that, but the point I'm trying to make is that this RPM to stator volume to torque to weight to disc loading thing is the key to making ANY size or setup fly well. Yes, there are absolutes that will limit us, but that's what RATIOS are for. If we can still hit the ratios and match things up, we should theoretically be able to get any size quad feel within 10%-20% or so of the next size up or down quad in terms of how it feels to fly.
And also, since I couldn't fit in anywhere in that diatribe, I'd like to point out a rule of thumb I considered yesterday: It seems that for ideal performance, you need about 1-cell of lithium per inch of propeller on a quadcopter to fly well, and going up or down a cell or two will also work fine, depending on weight. It's why 5" flew fine on 4s for years, but saw an amazing improvement with 6s, and why 6s is way overkill for something like a 3-inch. Also explains why 7-inch (for acro/racing) has seen improvements with guys going to 8s, and why Macro class and Beast/X-class both run 12s for optimum performance, but can survive on 8s and up.
One of my favorite quads to fly in big areas is a 6" hyperlite floss 3.0 with the team edition 2205.5 1722 kv motors on a 2200mah 6s pack with prettt low pitch props. The combination of light 6" frame with good but a tad undersized motors makes it so chill when theres big pretty scenery between obstacles to do freestyle around. And I love the float especially when upside down. But if im flying in a tighter space ill usually still default to a 5" with 2207.5 motors with the same kv but an aggressive prop and let the amps pull it through any maneuvering necessary with immediate authority.
Currently waiting for parts for my first build. Total noob here. So can 6 inch props use the same motors for 5 inch ? Thanks Joshua 😀
Interesting. Might've been for me if I hadn't already ordered the Sector D5.
But I still don't know why your GoPro got killed. Should've taken the hit in the tree in its stride...
So coming from submarines the screw are skewed with a particular shape for optimal efficiency. I'm curious as to why quadcopter props don't have similar optimizes shapes.
Joshua Bardwell; the Bob Ross of FPV. “Don’t Flippy flop, just fly some nice flowing lines. Maybe a happy little split-s over here…” love the vids JB looks like a fun quad. Sorry about the GoPro ;(
This week I was contemplating getting the Evoque F6X..
and BAM! Bardwell delivers!
to bad there's no 4s analog version because I have no 6S lipo's or a 6s capable charger..
O well...
I built a 7 inch and could do lighter freestyle but never could get it tuned exactly right. I always had some issues props sounded like they were going to explode above 30 percent throttle.props were harder to find. Most of my issue were the motors were 1800kv on 6s and I should have been at like a 1300kv motor for 6s which is all I fly. Motors were 2806.5 1800kv on 6s. Lol oopps. Mostly ended up using it as a camera drone it will fly like 30 minutes on a 1800mah 6s pack so it was fun for getting out there At least.
I run emax rsii2306 on my xl6 6inch and 2506 on my 7inch, motors don't need to be that big, it's just a faster smoother more flowy flyer then my 5 inch quads, it works great for chasing ground vehicles
Have you flown a EMAX Hawk Pro JB, super maneuverable, super smooth and super fast man. I have the Evoque and while it is wonderful!!! IMO the Hawk Pro hands down.
This is very interesting watching this video as I had a independent thought earlier today. The best will be 3" 6" n 9" for lr n six was the one for free style. This contradicts my thinking. But sounds right. The 5.5 aos. Frame sounded interesting n after reading comments I should want one. I'd like to see a comparison 5 vs 5.5" is the difference noticeable? Sounds so
Hi josh, i want to get a 6 inch quad for chasing mountainbikes going fast down mountains i tight spaces. Which quad for uk would you advise to consider?
Been making frames pre zmr.... Now I've bought a few carbon frames but never 5"! Been 6 all day. Got a 4" I love too..and whoops..and..
Thank you for this video, I'm in the process of purchasing a new drone... I was considering the f6 but now I know I should buy the f5
Great video, keep it up!
Ugh! I keep trying to purchase my first FPV quad but chicken out due to not knowing if I’m getting all the rite parts 🤦♂️🤷♂️🙆♂️
Got an iFlight XL6 frame from Banggood during a flash sale… let’s see what I’ll do with it. Certainly not as sexy as a 5 inch. But simply couldn’t resist for less than 20 Euros. And in the end I like long smooth lines. So it could be a good frame for me…
I'm wondering, what would happen, if the Motors are placed more to the center and cinbected by belts to the Propeller...
You lose a ton of efficiency with the belts unfortunately.
Got my wvoque stuck in a 60 foot tree last week and I had to blow the motors off of it to get it down. I didn't think I was getting it back for a few mins lmao😂. Landed cam first from 60 feet up and I just had to tighten up the mount screws and put new props on it. Its a seriously durable frame. I crash every day because I'm new and I push it really hatd haha
I flew a 6 inch apex with 2807.5 1722kv for a while freestyling doing flippy flops and what not. was nice cuz I could swap 5 inch props and still rip ass and it flew a lot more stable getting cleaner air
probably was made for cinematic shots that require a little bit of freestyle? sorta like chasing drift cars and motocross jumps where you do not need the flippy flops
I fly 7inch 2200mah 17-18 minute flight times every flight, crusing. Having fun in the goggles. Its so amazing to see what the birds see.
Oh no, Mr Bardwell, thanks for pointing out my freestyle 5” quadcopter is outdated, but I’m perfectly okay with that.
can't find good quality 6 inch props anywhere, which is a problem because the extra moment of inertia means you tweak and snap them way more often. the extra lift for a gopro is great, but I'd totally discount 6 inch as a dead category, go 7 or 5.
Should try the ethix K2 6" biblades. They're insane.
hi Joshua, are you flying the evoque F5 with BF and PIDs coming from iFlight? or did you install a different BF version and tune? thanks
i looked outside the 5inch box, and i got a safer, less scary 4inch. i get the lower disc loading of a 6inch, but on a sub 250g build. not the same, no, but i had a 500g+ 5inch, and that was terrifying.
I am 🙋🏻♂️, I am that person! And he'll yes I cancelled my first order to use your affiliate link! You made me take the shot so thank you!
Josh I don't think that it's a fair match up why not run the same kv do one with both being 1800 kv plz putting a bigger motor and making it spin slower dosnt seem fair to me and 1800 kv for the bigger motor isn't too much I think
I originally started flying 6" for freestyle. Still have my 6" Armattan Rooster running 2507's.
Hi Josh Great video on the 6in quads. I like trying different things out. I just don't know much about 5in yet about 6in. I stick with micros. But I have been flying 4in for the last couple of years, and I have tried to find the right motor for my own experience. Thanks for the video and information on 6in.
So what if you put a 2506 motor on a 5 inch? Will you get the higher torque with 5 inch manuverability
I freestyle 7“ quads … they are great for long range and great for tricks along bigger structures…
:O
I rip tye shit with 6 and 7 lol 2806 on 6"
if i had easy access to good hobby shops for parts like in the states I would probably experiment more on the type and sizes of frames.. but for now I guess I would stick with what most pilots around me fly since spare parts are easier to source that way.. great video JB!
Hey man, I just got out of the army. I run the SuspiciousFish Page. I would love to link up sometime and fly.
You might wanna try out 6 inch 2 blade props (I recommend the Emax avan long range) they have a very different flight performance to both 5 and 6 inch 3 blades. If you have a light 6 inch setup (below 800 grams) 2 blade is definitely worth a try (and even above that they are still phenomenal). Great Video
These are amazinggg as well!
HQ Prop Ethix K2 6x4x2 Durable Bi-Blade 6" Prop 4 Pack - Bubble Gum from rdq!
I have the nazgul5 and I can't fit the 5.1 floppy props is that normal or am I doing something wrong? Help 😭
Can you put a larger motor with more torque on a 5" frame with 5" props with increased pitch? Would that retain maneuverability with more torque?
Have you thought about using the Insta 360 one RS? I have not seen one yet. Always gopros.
I haven't heard anyone say flipping heck for years. You almost sounded British 🤣🤣🤣
Been freestyling 6 inch props on 7 inch arms for years.. LOVE IT!
As always great content good comparison but what about prop pitch with all other things equal say 5 inch and 4.5 vs 5 pitch as an example
If you are going to make a BF 4.3 example video, this would be a nice quad to do the comparison on.
"Im just the guy..." made me think "I'm just a girl in the world.."
6 inches also carry a gopro with much ease and actually can still running on the same motor and batteries of a 5inch. Longer flight times and higer speed.. so yeah why not try it..
Personally it's just more parts at 5", even 7" has more prop choice than 6".
I've converted my lal5 with 2507 1850 motors to 6 inch never going back
other than my cinewhoops, only quads i fly are 6 inch. even freestyle with 6 inch