JENN SOTO Should Be Worried | Huge Doc Dump in the MADELINE SOTO Murder Case
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There are 4 bedrooms in that place, why is Jenn sending them to sleep in the same room!!!! She knew and needs to be behind bars.
Apparently, there were roommates.
Yeah, now I'm worried about those other roommates too. I hope they check that out.
@@sheelfjohnsonso Maddie has a made shift bedroom ( in the living room)?
I don't see how family members were living there or staying there at the time of the murder, else the murder wouldn't have taken place.
She had a bedroom but didn’t like to sleep alone ever even with grandma or at dads house she slept with an adult
Poor Maddie. Your mom betrayed you in the worst way. She fed you to the wolf to keep the wolf around.
Horrible but true.
And maybe to keep the wolf out of HER bed.
I don't believe she intentionally did that at all.
Shes a niave idiot woman - sterns is a parasitic predator.
Dangerous combination for any children trapped in this situation.
Sadly more common than people realise, on a scale of abuse for the children - this unfortunate outcome is the worst case scenario, but it is a common dynamic with single, overstretched mothers, and having parasitic men around. (Worst type of human being is the parasitic male)
@@Terry-lh8cnI DO NOT THINK SO....
EXACTLY. 🤢
If Jen is not locked there is no Justice
Gayle I certainly agree with you. Also why did Maddie supposedly say when she was 13 she wanted to runaway and live in the woods if she was afraid to sleep by herself??? The Woods???? 11:36
@@renietexas her friend said it had to do with ww3 concerns
Yes it makes no sense to me about that running away to woods
Do you folks know that there are people on other platforms that think Jen is innocent. 😮😮
@@livestotravel7589 there’s people that think Chris Watt’s murder of his wife was justified. You’ll find these types all over.
He is NOT her Stepfather. He's an effing predator that was in an on again, off again relationship with Jennifer.
Right, Jen was just a booty call for Stephen and then he preyed on Maddie. She never stood a chance with her stupid mother.
Wasn't a long time relationship. It was an off and on relationship especially recently... GF
@@Teresa-tn4westerns told the mother he got excited with Maddie...so the mother kicked him out
But he had parental rights which shouldn’t have been awarded because he’s a paedophile
What mother in their right mind would allow their boyfriend to sleep in a bed with their 13 year daughter? Let alone send them to sleep in a separate room together. Something’s not right with her
A sick hateful one that’s who !
Madelines' fear of sleeping alone probably began after the boyfriend began drugging her and physically abusing her.
Or maybe that fear was a story they tell to excuse sending her to bed with that monster.
I wonder if she was truly afraid, or had just been TOLD for years “you’re scared to sleep alone, you NEED snuggles to go to sleep” and was groomed to consider herself Stephan’s other gf.
15:23 I love how stupid he is to (it seems) not even think of how many cameras, license plate readers exist, GPS tracking on his phone etc.
@@tyreebruce EXACTLYYYY why is nobody listening to this girl? She said she didn't want him there. She was happier without him and her grades got better. So it's bs when someone says she needed him to fall asleep or feel better. This girls dead she can't contest the garbage they're saying about her.
@@robynxenisright on the money with that post 🎉
I really hope we hear that Jenn will be facing charges soon.
Not only did she not protect her daughter, she practically served her up to him. Sounds like trafficking to me. She should most definitely be held accountable.
So you are saying she gave Sterns permission to abuse her?
@@MM-ik7cs sure looks that way!! Of she couldn't care for her own daughter, why didn't she just se d her to her father??? 💔
@@Teresa-tn4we se d ? Is this a different language or what?
@@Teresa-tn4we " se d her to her father???" What is this?
I get the same feeling Jen Soto sexually trafficked her own daughter this is human trafficking
It truly irks me to hear Stephen Stern being identified as her "father". He was NOT her father or stepfather. He was a nobody that exploited Maddie whenever he visited Jennifer and stayed over. I am feeling that Maddie kept quiet because Stephen threatened her, and based on the outcome, Stephen did exactly that. Maddie was probably going to expose Stephen, and he silenced her.
I used to hide in the woods to stay safe and didn’t come home until I knew someone else was there. It didn’t work all the time but mostly it did. When I told, I was told I shouldn’t make up such tall tales. I never spoke of it again. I stayed safe by spending entire days in the woods alone so I definitely understand Mattie’s wish of going into the woods.
Too bad school took notice and tried to connect with you. What did you do in summer or holidays in school?
@@Wanderedinto I am so sorry! I wish you well …and peace as you journey through this life! They never realize or care how they hurt us as long as it doesn’t affect them in my opinion.
GF: Why did they break up and, more specifically, why did he move out in the first place? Second: If jen wanted to sleep alone why not send him back home to his mommy's house (where he moved out to)?
Because she need to have the man quiet with her and the only way was doing that in her dutie mind 🤢🤮
They must have needed to make some money. Sick.
Omg they didn’t break up
His parents were elderly and needed help so he tried to take care of them and would go back and forth but he couldn’t leave them too long so he essentially spent more time with them after they were ill
With his beard, Sterns looks like a lumberjack, but shaven, his face is chinless & truly odd.
In a gambit to avoid prison for pedo, Sterns k!lled Maddie & faces the de@th penalty.
Valid points with "Maddie was Sick Alot" and sickness being tied to stress and anxiety
Probably too lazy to get her ready for school
@@Jackiedylan541 totally agree
I agree GF. If ever there was a woman who cared less or did not love her child, it is Jennifer. He was more interested in Madeline than her mother.
Maddie telling school counselor that Sterns was weird and made her uncomfortable is huge red flag and leads me to believe she absolutely told her mom this much if not everything. Hence, the arguments with her mom and Sterns moving out. So, how does a "mother" then direct her 13 yo daughter to go "sleep" with the man (or any man/boy) that creeps her out?? Jenn should be charged with neglect and abuse at a minimum. Let a jury of her "peers" decide her guilt. Rest in peace Maddie. 🙏🕊️
Isn't a counselor supposed to take some kind of action when a young girl confides that her mother's boyfriend makes her uncomfortable?
Madeline must have felt so lonely, when not even professionals helped her.
She must had plan her daughter birthday in that week. So why she went to work has the police investigated her job specifically if it was mandatory or she she volunteered to work it doesn't make no sense way the birthday was on Saturday they plan this both of them because then they wouldn't have no aliby for her going missing.please people in Florida go out and demand that the mother be in jail protest she's in more fault than that si ko me no pity or felling sorry for this crazy bitch there will be no justice for Madeline if her mom free
Absolutely! I already know I could vote to convict!!
@@BeaBelfastVideos I would think the councilor would have at least asked her mom for a meeting so she can inform her of what Maddie is having a problem with...
the school counselor not saying anything to another adult about it is crazy to me...she was sending signals to everyone
So the family had a 13th party for her with no mum or sterns,the reason I find that interesting is when u see the video footage of the family reporting her missing,they were all comforting each other ...nobody comforted jenn or stephan though,it was something I noticed at the time did they know? Or suspect something? Makes me wonder
Sounds like at least Jennifer's mom didn't like him or even know he was back staying in her house again...
Madeline was the only NORMAL person in her home!!!
GF: I recall somewhere Maddie liked a boy at school. Also, Maddie was likely figuring out the sa was not normal.
It sounds like he may have been drugging maddie, and doing the essay while she was drugged
... I'm sure more will come out....😢😢😢
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Agree. SS was not going to let Maddie tell anyone about him. She was 13 and too old to keep manipulating.
It was on the tip of Maddie's tongue , she was about to blow the whistle on him..hence the evil, coward POS killed her
@@dorothyd7929she wasn't too old I've heard of stories of people getting manipulated till they are in their 20s or 30s I doubt that's the reason this happened
34:45 YES!! I a childhood survivor. I was always sick! My dad sent me Nextdoor to a lady that was a nurse and she gave me shots of saline and they told me it was a shot of medication that would make me well. I was 6 when the chronic back pain started and found out in my 40’s I was born with a birth defect and have no disc in my lower 3 or 4 vertebrae. They told me I was just a hypochondriac and jealous of my little brother being born. I adored him! It was my dad who abused me in every way possible and my mom just let it happen. She told me there was no way she was gonna raise 3 kids by herself! Yes.. mothers can be jealous of their daughters. She told everyone she did not want a girl. It was because she knew what my dad was. Pure evil people…pure evil! I am disabled now. Fibromyalgia and chronic back pain… lots of surgeries. They ruin your life and blame it on YOU!
God bless you.!It took me decades to find any sort of peace,through many years of therapy.
im so sorry.
@@bonniegropper I understand. I miss my whole family. I walked away about 10 yrs ago because I knew if I told the truth they would all call me a liar as he told me at 6 to not say a word...then in the same breath he told me to tell anyone I wanted to because NOBODY would ever believe me! Then he started making me out to be a big fat liar...at 6 yrs old...just in case. I never told a soul as I had a dissociative disorder. I was in my late 30's early 40's when I started having flashbacks. I saw a therapist a d she told me that I didn't want to know anyway. Then one day it was all there...all the memories. It's wild how your mind can save your life. It was better for me to walk away than tell them the truth!
I'm sorry you got garbage for parents 😢
@@georgemonde8237 thanks George…I hope you had better!
Just the sound of Stephen Sterns' voice makes me physically ill. He is desperately trying to sound concerned and like a loving father. He is a vile coward and abuser....I cannot wait for him to get some prison justice.
He's going into PC where no one will touch him
This is just so heartbreaking. I am so truely sorry that maddie was so terribly let down, and had to endure so much in her short life. It seems she was never made to feel like her mother's first priority. Millions of parents suffer from mental health issues and are still able to be loving and protective parents, even where they have suffered trauma themselves.
So true! I can’t imagine being so cruel to my daughter as it seems Jenn has been. I wouldn’t even treat my dog that way 😢
@@JenniRen79 exactly. Allowing her precious baby to share a bed with a man who was not her father is just so wild.
Justice for Madeline, it is sad that her own mother was her worst enemy.
THAT IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING AND SELF SERVING. R. I P. MADDIE.
D. P FOR BOTH OF THEM. POOR MADDIE WAS ABUSED SO BAD.
Yes she was. What a horrible life for a little girl. Makes me cry. But she won’t have to go thru it anymore. But where was her sorry dad
She never even got to have a life. Just cause mom had to have some …..
@@brendabrown3949Her father lived in another state. 14 hours away!!
I've always thought Jenn knew about the SA, but now I can't deny she knew about the murder too. This woman is a complete failure as a mother. I honestly think they made money off his sick material. A tripod and 🍆 lotion in that room she sent her daughter and boyfriend too. Disgusting 🤢
I agree she corrected SS on what she was wearing but now she is saying she never seen her ? She was probably involved in Maddie death
Yes. I’ll bet they did tto.
@@brendabrown3949Ooh!! Did ya??? Been imaging that have you??
It was private physical abused, she is a child 8 years old, I believe many times, should be investigated when and why she was with a Physician .
Pregnancy come from sex.
So Jen knows that the last person with Maddie was Trash Can Sam over here and is in no way suspicious of him? I hope they are taking a long time to arrest her because they want to make sure the charges stick and equal a looooong time in prison.
❤ someone with a brain here
If she was pregnant, I don't think the police are going to relay that until after the first trial. It is crazy to see how much they have on him. He is a sniveling baby 😢. I truly believe the authorities are holding out the truth just so they can fry him. As for Jen, oh wow, she will never have a life again regardless of how they handle her.
That's an insult to babies. He is a demon.
@@Veracityseeker7You're absolutely right. Do you think Maddie was pregnant. I can't get over how a mother would do such a heinous crime this gives me shivers. A mother should have protected her daughter. She failed.
LE has not even given a WHIFF in that direction in any documents, discovery or words they have said. ZERO backing that. In fact, more backing that is not the case than it being the case.
I think she was pregnant. Mom is jealous. She killed her
This case infuriates me. This mom is guilty. Not just had guilty knowledge. She lied to cover Maddie’s murder. She let him abuse her young daughter! That’s what we can tell this early on. It could actually be worse. She could have financially benefitted if they were selling the materials he made while abusing her. These two are sick, sick!
She was financially beneficial to Jen. She was getting child support for her!!
Maddie looked just like her mom, only a younger version who hadn't had children yet. 😢 RIP sweet Maddie
Saw an interview with her father yesterday, can see a lot of him in Maddie to 😢
The innocence had been sucked out of this poor child, god bless her
this is actually unbelievable of a Mother she should be charged......just how.....how can you send your daughter upstairs to bed with this man.....what kind of human are you?? Thats is just so wrong on all levels....this poor poor girl.....no wonder she wanted to run away. I believe she knew her daughter was dead.....why lie and say you saw her but didnt hmmmmm. Of course this poor child didnt get along with her Mum because she Madeline must have resented her Mother for allowing these things to happeen to her......I mean your sending her to bed with this grown ass man....come on
If you are of the mind that every man is a pedo predator and if alone with a kid SA WILL HAPPEN. That it is a given, then yes. The SA did not all happen in bed when they went off to sleep together. Documents have talked about some of the situations.
@MM-ik7cs He never said All Men are pedophiles predator! We are All saying a mom doesn't send her female or even a male child off upstairs to "sleep" with Her boyfriend!!! That is such a stupid thing for her to do. She is supposed to be her child's Protector Not her pimp!!
@@Teresa-tn4we Your response says you do believe ALL MEN are pedo predator's. That is sexist and hate.
@@Teresa-tn4we Nothing has been released saying she knew he was abusing her. If you have some proof of that, show it.
Honestly the fact that she admits to it has GOT to be chargeable with something. Even if not for the murder of her child the ongoing sexual abuse. That poor little girl!
I agree with you. Her story is bs. She is acting like she is dumb; however, no loving mother would send her young, precious daughter to sleep with her boyfriend. Not buying it or all the lies! She is guilty in so many levels! Justice for Madeline!
This case just keeps getting worse - more vile, disgusting, disturbing, and evil. I cannot imagine any scenario where Jen didn’t have *some* idea of what was happening to her daughter. Gavin, I appreciate you covering this with compassion, sensitivity and professionalism, as you always do. I hope Maddie receives whatever semblance of earthly Justice we can give her.
Completely evil your right x
I’m sorry, but Jen Soto looks like she walks through life with no idea so like I mean, she looks like a total incomplete retard
I don’t think that Jen Soto is all there. I think that poor Matti Soto was the adult in this. Household, which is just sick 🤮💔
I agree. Maddie's face often looks mature in photos. She had not been able to be a carefree child growing up. Terribly sad.
She’s all there just a bad mom.
I agree. We know Jenn has major mental health issues and is heavily medicated and occasionally checks herself into hospital. I think the lights are on but nobody’s home
No shes not. Shes a deluded idiot on medication... @@hiddenhand6973
I don't understand how a mother could take a child's room away but has one for her boyfriend. Jen is a very selfish person she always put her needs in front of Maddie. A good mother will sit down with your child and help them with school assignments if needed at the same time, making sure that her school assignments were done. There were so many red flags, and it's so sad that no one picked up on it. When your child it's bringing home D's and F's and is always sleepy and tired there is a problem and I hate that Maddie's teachers and counselor we're not able to pick up on this. My heart breaks every time I think about this poor angel. I pray that all of those ❤ involved in hurting this child will be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent. Thank you once again for all your hard work ❤
Regarding Madeline's menstrual cycle: a girl's cycle is very irregular the first few years (and more painful than it will be a few years layer) so I don't believe we can rwad too much into her not being fully synced with her friend.
It would definitely have scared Stephan if he knew she wad "late."
Some girls nit all girls have those issues she very likely was pregnant so so very sick of both adults
@@CarolSchenklThere’s no proof that she was “very likely pregnant”. It’s irresponsible to speculate until we have the facts.
Every girl and woman are different in regards to their periods. My periods started being regular after a few months of my first period, not years. I got mine at 16. My periods were pain free for 2 years, then became very painful for over a decade, to the point that I would vomit and almost fainted a few times. I’m now on birth control and use extra strength Tylenol so that’s been giving me relief.
I grew up in boarding school and never found my roommates and my cycles synced, then I was in college with female roommates, and spent my 20’s with female roommates or lovers, and never did our cycles sync. For example, my best friend / housemate had a cycle that was less than 26 days, while mine varied from 28 to 32 days. We might occasionally have periods that coincided but then we would immediately be off track again.
they're saying that Madeline went and told her friend that she is latethat monthly friend hasn't showed up yetand also said that she was surprised that Madeline wasn't a virgin@@berryhij1
If sterns pleading not guilty
He must be going to say it was the mother
It's fairly common for people to plead not guilty. All laywers will advice their client to plead not guilty as well. It gives them time to build the case, and puts pressure on the DA to offer a plea deal. Some guilty people stay in denial, some want the trial to show off, some guilty people just think they will be able to get away with it. Given that he might get the DP, he will likely wait until just before the trial in hopes that the DA will take the DP off the table.
Regardless, he will never be found not-guilty. There's too much evidence.
@@georgieeve2026They have him bang to rights. No way they are making a deal. They want the CP conviction in the bag first to use it as aggravating DP factor for the unaliving case. Again, they are not going to let him plead. They want him gone
@@georgieeve2026he will say it was consensual 😡
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Chris Watt plead guilty to 3 counts of murder so death penalty removed and all the time and money saved by avoiding trial, no way SS was going anywhere
I still believe as I did in the beginning - he got that girl pregnant - that’s why he killed her. IMO
So very sad and disgusting I hope he AND mom go to prison for life.
I think Jenn did it but if not, she is involved in murder Madeline.
Jenn was jealous of Madeline.
I agree ~ she used Maddie to keep SS coming around ~ but she was JEALOUS of her too. What a mother.
Not unusual. My mother was jealous of me as well. I could never understand why a mother could be that way. @@renietexas
@@renietexasSounds accurate
Yes
I agree.
The death was determined strangulation and the stuff this sicko creep perp was google searching and groups he talks about this as a fantasy. I'm almost certain it was him, they have a ton of evidence on him but the question is did her mom know and help cover his tracks. Almost certain she did because she lied so much.
Maddie should have her own bedroom with complete privacy and she could have hire a female sitter or tell stern not to come to their home, or Jen can tell her mom to stay with Maddie when she’s at work.
That would cost money so let’s get the perv in here for free fiddy
she's 13 she doesn't need a baby sitter
Ya think.
Maddie should have had her own bedroom with a Lock on the door so she would be safe from men like him!!
The most horrible and sickening thing about this is this sick monster will be in PC for his entire sentence. People like him should never be offered PC!!!!!
If the State is successful in their pursuit of the death penalty, he’ll be on Death Row. Which is essentially like PC he’ll be alone for the rest of his life.
I feel sick to my stomached too , Jen was the main planner to keep him in her life , you are so right she was jealous of Maddy 😢😢
No Jenn was not jealous of MS, the child was insignificant and JS had no interest in MS and didn’t think about that girl ever.
I agree with you. Jen Soto needs to be held accountable, she seemed jealous of her daughter. When they asked her about the las time she spoke w her, she said she had a great time “ then proceeded to roll her eyes” in a jealous type of way. That’s not proper behavior from a mother who can’t find her daughter.. weird .. Jen definitely has some type of mental issues, no excuse for her behavior though.
Disturbing how normalized the sleeping together to jen. It simply rolls off her tongue like its normal.
Yeah, can't convince me this is just ignorance. Must have known.
Does she lack the ability to understand this is wrong? We have training 22:15 in our volunteer work in proper interaction s. To tell us this is not allowed. Does Jenn lack understanding or knowledge?
I say this because she is not ashamed to tell everyone. Like she doesn’t understand it’s wrong
What is with Jenn’s 🧠
Maybe her childhood was the same 😮
@@valansley oh. Possibly.
@@teresacorrigan3076good point! I didn’t pick up on that specifically but I keep getting this hunch that she is legitimately clueless. My brain tells me she HAD to know but then I have this nagging intuition telling me she really didn’t. I know she has major mental health issues and is heavily medicated. I have a very dear friend who suffers from schizophrenia and she is a shell of her former self. I could honestly see something like this happening to someone with that type of disorder on heavy medications
Wow, I knew Maddie and Sebastian went "missing" around the same time, but the same day??? 😢 Just heartbreaking 💔💔💔
That is another child case I've been following too.
What do you think happened to poor Sebastian?
@@MissSassy79 I think that his mom and step dad are 100% responsible for his demise.
I don't know if they conducted one of those "re-home" transactions, or if they killed him inside the house and have buried him somewhere. But at the end of the day (literally) Sebastián was in that house with his mom.
I believe JS killed her daughter out of jealousy and came home and caught them in bed.
@@Mercyseed1160 That's my theory too 💔 #jail4jen
I feel that there may have been a rift between Jen and her mom and family. Remember he moved out in Dec wonder if it was because of her family and Maddie. I think Jen was not telling her family he was staying at her home after that. She was sneaking because her family wanted him out of Maddie’s life. It seemed her family was disconnected from her and Stearns when she went missing in the insurance office. I think they suspected him from the start. To me Jen looked like deer in the headlights. As far as Jen harming Maddie I think that is entirely possible.
I got the vibe that whole family sitting around that office was either suspicious of or already thought very little of and disliked even being around Sterns. No one comforts him or even speaks to him he forces it every time.
Stephen dumped Maddie's body because he had a flat tire. He was possibly on his way to bury her or throw her bv in a swamp, where she would never be found, but he still would have been exposed because of his cellphone, the cam at the area they resided.
Jennifer is a liar and she is a despicable mother. Maddie had anxiety because of Stephen. She was most likely threatened by Stephen and the child was traumatized fearing Stephen would kill her and her mother, if she exposed him.
thats a good observation i hadnt thought of, that he chose that spot BECAUSE of the flat tire. not that he happened to change it where he dumped her.
I truly believe that Jenn is more responsible than we think. She fought with Madeline often and wanted her gone. I believe she got into a fight with her the night of her birthday and strangled her. She had Sterns move the body the next morning, she controls him and he complied. Sterns didn’t want her dead. There is simply no way an innocent mother would lie about the details leading up to their child’s disappearance unless they were involved. They are both guilty of this death and the mom knew everything about the sexual abuse, she became sick and twisted with jealousy, that’s why they never got along.
This
sterns was sexually abusing her for years. im sure he had no care for that young girl’s life.
Thank you Gavin, Mods, and community. Lovely seeing you all, as always.
If Maddie didn't disclose anything to a counselor, it's because she knew if she did, Stern had already threatened her with harm. Maddie was afraid to say anything, and I wished she had, but abused children fear more punishment because they have experienced the consequences of not being cooperative.
I disagree. This is a case of grooming. Groomers build a relationship where the kid trusts them. We know from documents that she text with Sterns a whole lot, also spoke with him on the phone often. She would ignore her mother. They do not need threats when they have a relationship (yes a twisted one). Yes, Maddie was annoyed with him at times, nothing unusual. Called him weird and he ate the food. We do not know what was going on at that time when she said that. We do not know her tone of voice or body language. We do not have all the conversation to know context . Maddie never told anyone, not even her friend. I know everyone thinks she had to of hated him because as grown adults, we know we would. When your mind is manipulated and groomed, things get twisted. We know Sterns manipulated her, I think we can all agree on that. He messed with her head.
I’m thinking that Maddie rebelled at last, motivated by teh fact that she was at last 13 (it seems she had that age in her own mind as a milestone). When he arrived after being away for so long, she had enough
I’m very interested to know what the dynamic was between Jennifer and Stephan, I think she was easy to manipulate and he was a master manipulator for sure. The way he talks to the police always having to add info about Maddie to try to paint her in a certain light - on one hand he states “she knew nothing but love” “was a good happy kid” and on the other states something along the lines of “she was never told no” and added something disparaging (I can’t remember the exact wording) making it out like she’s a spoiled brat. I can’t stand hearing him speak about Maddie
I interpreted it to mean that neither of them told her no but not in a no boundaries type of way but more endearing like she was so sweet it’s hard to not try to give her the world
My little sister was like this and she is 28 now and I still can’t tell her no but she rarely asks for anything and she rarely did as a kid either
You’d think she was spoiled but it really was more that she was so loved and it resulted in a content sweet girl and we really never could say no to her but again she never asked for much because kids really only want or need attention & love
When they get that, they don’t need to compensate with things OR their own way
In fact she’s so easy going that more than anything if we failed her in any way, it was because she was never a squeaky wheel we didn’t ever think to check in with her to ask if anything was ever bothering her and I can see that being the case with madeleine
My sister’s dad passed away when she was little but my stepdad came along when she was not much older so she didn’t go more than a year or two without a father figure
My stepdad is so cool he’s like the big Lebowski nothing phases him & everyone loves him
She’s so much like him
Im not projecting my sisters life completely onto this case but the similarities are glaring
As much as are the differences
I think between mom & dad, she really was loved & you can tell even her stepmom adored her
I think Stephan was able to compartmentalize & be a good stepdad on one hand
It makes this case so much more tragic because that would create the most confusing situation for Madeline & create a sense of personal involvement in her victimization
People think that grooming looks like something completely different when in reality it most often looks like someone being the best parent or adult mentor, teacher, role model, friend, etc. and the SA is often a small part of it while the rest of the time is often the adult trying to make up for it and make sure the child is happy
The child finds ways to endure the SA and in return gets the love & attention most children deserve & should have from every parent but most don’t get
Acceptance, quality time, gifts, protection, provision, praise, & so much more
I don’t believe Maddie did anything that caused her death
I think a sexual fantasy, role play, act, or some other form of pushing the limits either out of excitement that she got older
Or out of desperation or rfrustration that she was getting older and either becoming an age that he was no longer interested in or that he felt there was too much risk of pregnancy
Or even anger about it
No one seems to understand that pedophilia is not at all the same as statutory rape
It’s an attraction to prepubescent children
I think he did something to her during a sex act, it went too far & she passed away
It is also very possible that he used some type of drug for drowsiness that made her more compliant & she overdosed
Without a cause of death it’s speculation but it’s rare a child even at 13 would anger the perp of SA when it’s ritualistic Especially enough to result in death, even if he or she has a temper
Because the method of conditioning involved creates a paralyzing fear and/or sense of involvement and personal responsibility for the victim
In other words, the victim is manipulated into doing things that make them believe they are responsible for the perpetrator’s attraction to them and that something they did during one or more event of SA caused it to continue so they don’t have a right to object
I agree. I think that he looked at Jennifer and said listen we need to stick together you could be charged with neglect. She probably just ran off with a boy and it's your fault you were asleep you were taking all these pills we have to stick on this together . That would explain her repeating his story over and over and over again as if it was truly her i do believe he was manipulative. I do believe he was manipulative. Hence the reason for him going after a low self-esteem drugged up mother single mother with a pretty little girl in the 1st place
I’m very interested too . I’ve watched many guilty parents being interrogated, interviewed ( guilty moms especially) but Jenn doesn’t come across as “seemingly” guilty in the way that other guilty parents have, and do. I’ve noticed ppl hanging on her every word, and drawing their own conclusions (I think this is a mistake) Also, IF she’s psychologically/emotionally/ and or “intellectually challenged” then why hasn’t she cracked under all the pressure/stress of losing her daughter, and having to face detectives, law enforcement, family, and public opinion? especially when you consider her need for mental health medication. 🤔 At this point , I’m not convinced that Jen’s actions were malicious, or hateful in intent . Rest assured there’s more info, and details to come . Justice for Maddie ❤️
Me too, it sickens me in my stomach to hear that devil speak about that beautiful girl, who he maliciously, and with premeditation killed, after a life of being S.A.'d by him. Utterly utterly sickening. RIP poor baby xx
@@H20forlife yes I totally agree with you! I might be wrong but I don’t pick up anything that screams guilt from her but I still need an explanation about her story not adding up with the timeline/evidence. I wouldn’t be surprised if SS manipulated the storyline to her the way he tried to with the police and she went with it because she didn’t think there was a reason to not trust him? She was obviously wrong in her judgement and it doesn’t paint her in a very good light publicly but predators are very good at being predators. I don’t know what to think honestly
I’m a deputy coroner. They would definitely find pregnancy on an autopsy. I’m not sure, but if it were the case that Maddie was pregnant, they may have specifically stated that as the motive for SS killing her. So far I don’t recall that the authorities have stated a motive.
Jen was jealous OF Maddie's YOUTH!!
Jenny u sick b
I think Jenn and Sterns stated that they all slept in the same bed or asking Maddie and Sterns to go to another room so she herself could get rest was a way to normalize their sleeping situation to cover for Sterns to portray him as a good step father!
100%
Jen did say that earlier..
I believe little Madeline began rejecting Stephan, and likely said she would report him which angered him ... .
I agree, think she finally said no more or I will tell! 😢
Drop the finally. Sounds like victim blaming. I agree it's highly plausible she began to say no, but please don't say finally as if Madeline didn't help herself. She was likely highly brainwashed, not her fault
@@jessicadumbrell5484 Ignorance, and crimes are committed by the ignorant, is not an excuse. Imagine the reality that "ignorance, i.e.; "I don't know" is already the excuse evil neglectful drugged/ medicated mothers use as the excuse for not knowing anything about the abuse and death of their "innocent children."
@@gracereeves5790not too sure how this relates to my comment but ok
@@jrd7488 I probably responded to someone else.
*I think he has killed /handled lifeless bodies before.* His longtime friend said he was “dating” 9 year old girls when he was 18, and he was talking to other sickos online for years, he’s been doing this since he was in his teens, so who knows how many children, aside from what the cops found, that he’s done these things to.
For him to be able to put her body in the car, drive around with her, move it to the trunk, then take her out of the car again, I think it’s highly likely that she was not the first dead person he handled. *It takes a LONG TIME* for a person to get that ‘comfortable’ with lifeless bodies. Even serial killers have confirmed that their first few times of even seeing a dead body made them physically ill.
Thank you for all you do Gavin!! You are a rising star in the true crime community!! Your thorough and responsible breakdown of cases is so interesting to watch!!
Agreed! I recommended his funny video about the 2 youtubers getting into a scrap at the Delphi hearing to another true crimer, Navillus, and he said "How have I not heard of this guy?" ☺️
Damn….everybody in that house was taking psychotropic “mental health” type drugs 🤔
The camera tripods set up is more than enough to kbow what was going on. Mother knew!!!!!!!!!!!
ESE is Exceptional Student Education, which is a student classification used in conjunction with IEP (individualized education plan) and/or 504 plans in Florida. It’s for Neurodivergent students and is extremely helpful when done correctly.
Even though this is a different situation, I too worry about my young children and online games, and they’re just too young to understand why (10 & 8). Thank you for your respectful delivery of such heinous info, Gavin.
RIP Maddie. I’m sorry that random strangers on the internet care more about you than your own mother. She failed you! 💔
Amen 🙏🏾
8 and 10 are old enough for the conversation. Obviously don’t be explicit, but let them know there’s evil people who want to trick kids to hurt them. Let them know if a stranger asks for information or asks them to follow them, assume they’re bad people. And have the conversation on boundaries regarding their bodies. Tell them how doctors might look at and touch that area if it hurts because they’re sick, but no one else should. Don’t be scary, make sure they know you would never be angry no matter what they told you. It’ll be important when they’re teens too. My dad always made sure I understood that no matter what bad/dumb choices I made, if I felt in danger I could ALWAYS call him to save me and he would never be angry. And he made true on that promise the time I tried alcohol as a teen and got scared because it hit me so hard that I started to feel confused. He was there without hesitation and took me to the ER just in case. And he never held it against me or mentioned it again.
Thank you Gavin for going through all the paperwork for us and also sharing them. God bless you and give you strength always. Thank you
If I was a room mate, I would have reported this!
How can one sit and have a conversation with a man regarding "I will come back if you allow me access to your daughter?" and you actually say, "Okay." Jen made these arrangements with this creep and IMO, ALL of Maddie's anxieties stemmed from his outright and overwhelming abuse. JEN SOTO needs to be under the prison for pimping out her daughter and playing stupid.
I've always said from the beginning, Maddie probably told him he can't touch her anymore and now that she is a teenager she would tell of his activities. Funny, she was killed on her birthday, he probably wanted to give her a "present" and she rebelled and he knew she was serious when she told him she would expose him, so because he no longer had control - he killed her.
Having read all the comments this one makes most sense. Poor Maddie she had had it with him
I was placed in English as a second language course just because my last name Latin. The school wanted to make the course appear successful. Thankfully the teacher was a sophisticated class act! So I felt lucky to be there.
But Rigor Mortis starts setting in on the face in as little as 20 minutes after death and spreads to the limbs in about 2 hours. So if S.S was caught throwing away the backpack at 7:35, then it had to have happened between 6 and 7 am for her body to act in the car the way it is described.
GF my favorite part was your stained glass part! Great coverage.. you have a very calming presence. It is easy to hear the harder things in this case. Thank you for taking the time with all this organizing and research
As speculation, it seems possible that there was a plan to eliminate Madeline. Scenario would be that Maddie was pregnant, expected to continue relationship with Stephan. mom was both jealous and also panicked that now the whole sordid story was going to become public, Stephan did not want to eliminate Maddie but afraid to face the consequences of his conduct with Maddie. He may have done it or the mom may have done ot, but he did not want to eliminate her and was actually sad to lose her whereas Jennifer was glad she was gone. Jennifer did not even have a birthday party for her own daughter, and 13 is a special milestone for a child. I think her jealousy overcame her love for her own daughter.
Now the mom of the year award winner can sleep alone the rest of her life and now she has a reason for ANCIETY😢😮
I decided to subscribe after checking out your website. You have really done your homework on Madeline Soto's case and others. First time listener.
I don't think that she was pregnant because yes the Autopsy would have said so and I think it would be mentioned by now. But it's possible that she thought she was pregnant.
Not necessarily because she is a minor.
Has any info from the autopsy even been released? I thought it wouldn’t be because she is a minor.
@@hiddenhand6973 She was strangled.
@hiddenhand6973 no it hasn't but I'm sure someone in LE would have let that info slip. And I'm sure there would have been charges for that , I'm sure it's very possible she thought she was pregnant because at that age you aren't regular with ur monthly cycle.
Thank you for your thoroughness, organization and for keeping us up-to-date w/this case.
I was a victim of long term familia SA as a very young girl. I developed insomnia at 6 years of age to my current age of 65. I was a "sickly" child due to the abuse. "GF"
Also don't underestimate how long people can keep this type of abuse secret. Many people never share even with their family especially if the abuse is within the family. Telling someone is not easy
Your criminal mastermind theory reminds of the wonderful Columbo episode "Now You See Him", with the magician. At the end, Columbo says, "Perfect crime? No, there is no such thing as the perfect crime. That's just an illusion." So good. Go and watch that if you need a break from all of this horror. 💟
COLUMBO WAS a great show
One of my favourite episodes!!!!!❤
I think mattie was pregnant and told her mom, and it all broke loose...
Quite possible.JUSTICE FOR MADDIE
But if she was pregnant, there would be charges for a second murder in the documents. So far there’s no mention of a charge for murder for an unborn child.
@@bbrussoloNot necessarily. In some states, and I believe Florida is one of them, the pregnancy would have to be at a viable stage to be considered murder.
@@desert_moon Thank you for the info! :)
@@desert_moonhe was last there in December so she could have been a few weeks🤔
I’ve just recently found your channel and you are such a breath of fresh air in the true crime community, thank you for all the work you put in to these cases. You’re truly a voice for the victims
Jennifer Soto needs to be held accountable for bad parenting , her bad behavior and the neglect that Maddie endured because of the decisions that her mother made for her.
This was a on going thing in this child's life.
This child had nobody to defending her , Maddie got a little older and was only trying to defend herself by telling that man ENOUGH AND SHE WAS GONNA TELL . I Don't know one woman / mom who invites their daughter to sleep every night between her boyfriend and her it's DISTURBING! THIS MAN ISN'T EVEN HER FATHER ! ITS VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR A LITTLE GIRL AT THE AGE OF 9 SLEEPING IN A BED WITH HER MOM AND HER BOYFRIEND. AND TOP IT OFF , YOU SEND HER ALONE INTO BED ROOM WITH THE MAN WHO ABUSED HER FOR SO MANY YEARS AND ULTIMATELY TOO HER LIFE ! THAT IS ON JENN ! IT IS HER FAULT THAT HER DAUGHTER WENT THRU THIS. JENNIFER SOTO WAS THE VEHICLE WHO DROVE THIS YOUNG GIRL INTO THE HANDS OF TGE MONSTER WHO HAS HURT HER FOR HALF OF HER LIFE. JENNIFER SOTO IS A DESPICABLE EXCUSE FOR A MOM AND HER ACTIONS ALONE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS CHILDS DEMISE. CHARGE HER !
13:30 that’s one thing i don’t think people paid enough attention to! the SECOND they asked she’s like, oh no it can’t be tracked. then the family all jumped in aggressively like, YES IT CAN. THEY showed the MOST concern the entire time aside from Sterns’ bad acting lol!
Yes! And every time something came up, it was as if she was trying to tell them all the ways she can’t be found instead of trying to use these things to find her.
@@JacinthaDAnjou yes :(((
Jenn as awful as she is as a mom would not even think twice to have Maddie on birth control. This child was traumatized every day for years and any mental health care expert would say that’s the reason she had to be in special education. I don’t think she had autism , more like PTSD.
This reminds me so much of the abuse Michael Jackson perpetrated on his child victims. These kids loved him and he would talk to them on the phone for hours.
You're ridiculous. You don't know that. He was targeted destroyed and killed by music industry. Not even a close case to this. Show some sense.
@@deannalassiter2088 oh here’s a pedophile defender. You’re vile.
My gut feeling is that he showed up and was in bed with Maddie assaulting her, and off rocker mom came home caught him. Instead of being angry at the creep abusing her daughter she attacked Maddie, and is the murderer. They spent the night planning their cover up and story. He couldnt report her because she knew he was a pedo.
exactly what i thought. he was more „sad“ and Jen comforted him. he lost his toy . if it’s true what I heard about the blunt force head trauma. that takes a lot of rage, rather from Jen I would suspect.
she sends them away to sleep in the same bed though
I thought the same!!
What supports these claims?
Wow. Not sure if I believe this or not. Ppl speculate about the McCann's, that mother McCann killed/caused her death. Because if father had done it mother would have turned on him
Mom’s chasing the crystal pony. Stephan used it to get close to Madeline
Gavin you just made me realise something. Everyone keeps saying how could a mum choose a relationship over her own child implying that she would do anything to be in a relationship with him. However your comment about them being apart for a while and the first night he’s back she gives him Maddie - to me that implies she kept him around because he was a babysitter in her eyes. Whether she knew about the abuse or not I don’t know but maybe she’s just a neglectful mother and saw his grooming as being good with her kid so kept him around to palm her off on him?
Palm her off to him ?
This makes a lot of sense I just don’t know what palm her off means
@@iomoneyway sorry I’m Australian and it’s a slang term - it means to get push your responsibility onto someone else
@@iomoneyway It's a negative idiom meaning a person is pushing or handing someone off (Maddie) to another's care because the person doesn't care much about the child and wants someone else to take care of the child for a certain time frame or always.
@@vanessacollins9434 , I didn't see your reply until after I posted my reply.
This is the best summary that I have seen. Many thanks. Australian lawyer here trying to understand the US justice system
Good luck! As an American, our injustice system is corrupt. It's legal in Oregon and Vermont to walk naked down the street now.
I think Sterns WAS at Maddie’s party. CourtTV zoomed in on the picture of Maddie with her balloons. You can see a silhouette in one of the balloons, and it looks like Sterns.
Is Jennifer Soto still collecting the GoFundMe she should be forced to return every penny
I surprised how she can be outside!!!thank you so much your time!!
She won't be for long. The walls are closing in on Jen. Unfortunately, it'll just take some time.
@@brooklynsederyeah and I also think they're looking into who else they can take down, in what I assume are people both he Jenn sent pics or videos to.
Hi Gavin!! My daughter told me about your channel, and I have enjoyed your podcast. I love your calm aura and how welcoming your channel is. I also want to thank you for bringing us the viewers all this information and breaking it down for us, I know that has to be a lot of work and depressing at the same time, having to read everything that this poor child had to endure for 5 years. Thank you for doing what you do. I will continue to watch your channel now that I have discovered it.#justice for Maddie
I feel a arrest coming 🙏🙏🙏
This case is so sickening. Poor Maddie.
Gf: did they interview the roommates? I also suspect the mother abused prescription drugs
Why does god give the wicked children who as a mother like jenn never protected. There's thousands of women who cant have babies . And my heart goes out to them. Then you got the wicked who do have children and dont even protect them. Makes you sick knowing what kind of a world we live in today.
We need to do better as a society for our kids. Why, why why isnt there a better safe space program to educate them about abuse, and how to get help even when they feel they cant.
She knew
If Maddie didn't have her own room, where were her clothes and belongings kept? Maybe that's why Jenn said she saw Maddie that morning getting ready, but then when Stephan was busted throwing Maddie's backpack and laptop in the dumpster at 7:30am, Jenn had to change her story, claiming it was actually the night before that she last saw her daughter. Sounds like both Jenn and Stephan planned the murder and came up with a story, but didn't rehearse all the little details that anyone who was telling the truth would NOT get wrong!
Gf . I was sexually abused by my 15 year old sister starting at the age of 7 . In mexican culture your taught to obey and respect your elders incliuding siblings. My sister told me it was normal and i had to obey and do as she said . I was always angrey and depressed and was taken for vitamin shots to cure me. I didnt realize i had been sexually abused untill i was sent to a catholic school in 7 grade. Even then i never told because i was ashamed at myself and too angrey at myself . Thank you . This is the first time i have ever told and iam over whelmed by all my tears and pain i have within.
I just want to give an observation: I don't believe Gavin is really a fish. He looks exactly like a human being to me. I may be way off, but I'm very confident on this
PS Great video, and lots of good info!
GF I wonder what the reasoning behind Jenn Soto changing the description of the clothing. Stern says blue jeans which is correct and she changes it to black shorts. It's a strange moment between them. i have watched it over and over. anyway there has to be a reason why she did that.
I don't believe he said BLUE JEANS
Just found your channel. This is such a sad case. Poor Maddie was badly let down by those around her. So many of her symptoms line up with early life trauma. I hope those responsible are properly held accountable
A mental picture has started to form in my mind, and it's making me ill. Remember how Lori Daybell took her kids on a vacation as some sort of "send off", then brought them home and murdered them. Could that be what the Sunday birthday party was all about? Did Jen and Stephan plan Maddie's demise ahead of time, like she was either too old or she threatened to tell or she was pregnant. Stephan told the other woman he was dating about going back to the house sometimes and sleeping with Madeline, like he was gauging her reaction. She was creeped out and stopped seeing him. I wonder if she had a young daughter that Stephan was trying to get to.
Hey Bb, you're up late or got up early..isn't this the sickest case ever... I feel ya there.