Friends & Teachers Share RED FLAGS in MADELINE SOTO'S Case | More on Stephan Sterns & Jennifer Soto
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Jen being jealous of Madeline is something that crossed my mind as well.
It happens more than we know. I had a coworker years ago tell me that her mother kicked her out because mom's boyfriend was a priority. There are a lot of stories like this.
Horrible.
She needs to be prosecuted too.
This is a new perspective to me but it makes sense!
I worked in Admin in a 7-12 Charter School. We had a student that was incredible but every time his step dad came around, he creeped me out. At an open house I had a horrible gut instinct with the mother and sister with the step dad. I told the RN that he was abusing the mother and kids. She reported it to the proper authorities. The police came and interviewed me. The police did an investigation, the step dad ended up getting charged with all kinds of things. I had to testify at the trial and he ended up getting sentenced to more than 20 years in jail.
It was among one of the most rewarding things I have ever done.
The most interesting/horrific part of that entire case; we had a school wide assembly about abuse; both verbal and physical. FIVE female students ended up coming forward to the RN reporting they were being SA by someone in their house. We only had 300 students. That was truly a shocking and hard year.
Good on ya!
Schools need to have more in services or lectures about that stuff and giving kids opportunity to speak about it.
I was abused as a child by a family member. Since I’ve come out about it- it’s SHOCKING how common it is unfortunately. I thought I was an alien, and so alone- it’s so sad. It makes me so sad so many others lived the hell I did.
Thank you for being their voice🙏💜
Good for you! You’re a Survivor ♥️
Social Worker here- ADHD is often misdiagnosed in kiddos when it’s actually C-PTSD due to Trauma (Abuse).
There is overlap due to parts of both Dx’s being same/related Neuro systems, etc.
There’s a lot more to it, too much to write here, but you had brought up her ADHD Dx a few times and questioned/remarked on some things about it, so I just wanted to tell you this.
Ty!
Your input is appreciated, thank you! 🙏
Thanks for sharing. That’s important info that all teachers, cops, etc should know. Could you share some examples here or give us a video or website to learn more please?
Hi Stacy, do you think if SS was drugging her at night (he has a pharmacy🚩) that she would just feel super groggy/sleepy the next day and very out of sorts giving the symptoms of ADHD bc she's still so loopy? A common med for ADHD is adderall (a mix of 4 diff amphetamine salts) I looked that one up😉speculating that the uppers and downers were making her feel strung out (she know something was off so stopped what she knew about) Then you add the PTSD (TY for info) and a mother who absolutely did not care + SS's grooming/brainwashing & indoctrination.. This poor baby had her developing brain assaulted in every way 😢💔 thank you for your valuable insight ✨ 🇨🇮🇴🇲
Oh he was drugging her , at least in the beginning I can't imagine the things he did to her she could sleep thru unless she was drugged (sodomy).
Or both , people assume it's one diagnosis or another from what I gather the mother was not very high functioning and was happy to let Stephan take over and he completely took full advantage ! He was a useless bum that ate all the groceries and abused this poor child . Teachers often just label a child that doesn't remind them of themselves at that age .
No one cared or even asked if she had homework. What a horrible life for that little girl. Mother failed her miserably.
Oh, I know. Learning all about the world and having strong guidance in the world is so important for kids. I don't believe she had anything and I mean ANYTHING that would describe MEANINGFUL eccept maybe a birthday party.
Worse mother ever
Mother was sick and I understand as a parent myself who’s also mentally unwell that is VERY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE SOMEDAYS TO PARENT THE WAY U WISH U COULD!!! NOT saying Jen’s innocent but also don’t know that she’s guilty, she may have just needed a break actually so she could get better and be able to be a better mom and had no idea what he was doing but she also could’ve been involved for all we know, we just don’t know yet so please give her the benefit of the doubt she just lost her daughter and if we find out she did know then by all means raise - but until then please be kind ❤
@@AshleysActivismI agree with you. I have bipolar and so I understand MH, but ppl saying she’s the worst mother in the world isn’t kind or helpful. She may genuinely not known anything. She may be the sort of person that wouldn’t believe the evil in the world let alone in her home. Until we hear something about her that are facts speculation might lead to another death, because if she’s innocent I’ll bet she wishes she could take her life 🤷🏼♀️
Her grandmother said in a Telemundo interview that Madeline was so scared of sleeping alone and she didn't bother to ask why...nobody paid attention to Maddie 😢
If I had a 12 yo daughter, I wouldn’t have a roommate with a 15yo son
She was so irresponsible,she just wanted the money,she did not attend to her daughter's well-being. Neglectful with a CAPITAL N.
no way
The 15 year old boy might have been Maddie’s best warrior given the chance. One never knows.
Same. And Maddie did not even have her own room from what I've heard. Jennifer didn't value her at all. No wonder Maddie hated her mother and fought w her. She knew she was being totally short changed.
Chances are, not@@hereitis.2587
Jenn Soto better be charged ! She served Maddie up on a silver platter to this monster 🤮🤬
Yep
Not gonna happen though
@@jenreilly8058 why?
@@jenreilly8058 yep
@@jenreilly8058 why?.what kinda of mother takes forever to find a picture of her daughter?
What stood out to me as a huge red flag, beyond the poor performance in school is that the teachers said Jennifer was uninvolved, she never attended open houses or parent/teacher conferences. They wouldn’t have even known who Jennifer was if it wasn’t for her occasionally being a substitute teacher.
Maddie had clothes, food, and entertainment but that’s all she got from her mother. Jennifer did the bare minimum for her daughter and her emotional needs. Jennifer but herself and her needs first. She didn’t even attend her daughter’s 13th birthday, no excuse. New job? You let them know that ahead of time that you are unavailable that day. Every job I’ve ever been hired for has asked me ahead of time if there is any time I need off for appointments or vacation. It’s BS.
JS was a substitute? Wow, scary!
I truly cannot even fathom not being at my son's birthday party. No matter how old he gets. I'm heartbroken for that sweet girl.
I couldn’t have kids due to severe health problems. It makes my blood boil to see women have kids by accident & then they can’t bother to even try to be a half decent mother. Women like this sacrifice their kids to pedos because they are so desperate to have a man. Meanwhile, there are so many women like me & couples who can’t have kids, can’t adopt, are broken hearted, & have to watch evil parents like Jen Soto throw their blessings of having a child away like she was a disposable piece of garbage. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Being a substitute teacher is quite a commitment - where’s the logic?
If it's a new job my son had a job where you absolutely can't miss work the first ninety days till your in the union but he told them ahead of time he had a baby coming so they didn't fire him over it . But if he would have said I need off to attend my thirteen years olds birthday that would not be a good enough excuse .
Any mother who lets their boyfriend sleep in the bed with their teenage daughter needs to go to prison. In no world is that okay. Her mother infuriates me! She should be charged for child neglect.
He started sa her at age 8.
Child abuse! She needs to go to prison!
Agreed 👍🏽 21:49
@@cynthiaconner8601yes he did and 😮😮😮😢😢😢😢🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬that is so FU**ED UP ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL!!!!!!! 23:23
there was no one in this child's life that loved her enough to do the right thing.
Seems like her Grandma and Aunts love Maddie 😢 It is sad that nobody knew what was going on with this scumbag 😡
@@teriandjacobsworldthey hadn’t seen her in a long time & not regular visits as a part of life with relatives living close by 😳
@@teriandjacobsworld with “nobody knew” you mean she didn’t tell anyone?? Are you daring to victim blame her??
I’m seeing a lot of victim blaming around Maddie by people who don’t know ANYTHING about abüse and its impact on the emotional and psychological wellbeing, and just spewing sentences in order to defend the indefensible adults in her life! You should all be ashamed of yourselves, shut up and let her rest in peace, since she hasn’t rested from the age of 8! Leave her alone!!! And don’t say anything if you don’t have anything good to say about her!!! Rip innocent Maddie!!!
I’m apologetic but I disagree with you,reason being… it’s known that when you are being SA that you keep it private. So I believe that there wasn’t a lot of people that knew about it. He had groomed her very well by that time. I do believe that her mother knew which is extremely sad.
The fact that Madeline's teacher remembered her asthma inhaler and her own mother NEVER not once mentioned it is very off-putting to me! Also the fact that her teachers mentioned that she was always tired and Jenn always had an excuse for that too, also very off-putting. The teacher even said, it was more than her just forgetting to take her medication. I would be willing to bet that Stephan was drugging Madeline and probably her mother too. I recall Stephan saying something about Ativan and how he had to tranquilize himself in order to get any sleep now that Madeline was missing. My gut feeling says Stephan was a very sick man, and that Jenn stayed doped up, whether willingly or not... She was an absentee parent at the very least. Disgusting!!! This is my opinion.
Twisted perv, not sick. The mom is insufferable, giving her child to her bf
I can’t stand the way a lot of the people involved refer to Sterns as Maddie’s “Stepfather.”
Oh thank you
He were not her stepdad he used to Jen to get to Maddie he never were into her he wanted Maddie the entire time and she knew that but she were threatened by him that’s why Maddie couldn’t tell anyone because she were afraid for her life Js
@@ShirleyGoode absolutely
Her desperate mother gave him that title. He was never engaged to Jen. He didn’t contribute to their household. He never adopted Maddie. She just gave him a title. He never earned because her mother was desperate, and Maddie had to pay the ultimate price for her mother desperation lock up Jen Soto, please.
@@tinazaccagna1459 I agree.i hope PROSECUTOR isn't wanting her to testify against this creep.they don't need her
Retired teacher here… A red flag! F’s and only turning in a couple of assignments… That is absolutely a red flag. There’s only so much teachers can do though. 💜
I was abused as a child from 5years to 13years. I did not do well in school. I was classed as lazy and dumb. Sorry but teachers have no idea because of the control the abuser has over their target.
@@jenniferbailey5914 sometimes we would suspect and had no proof. All we could do was report it. I’m happy to say I know I helped when I could. I’ve been retired for some time but I still think of these girls, now mamas themselves and we’re now friends… 💜. And it still breaks my heart that there were some kids that I couldn’t help.
ICPS sucks. I turned in a kid 3x's for sexual harassment inky to have the ounk sent back. The counselors should be calling everyone if the 'starements' into DCF. Watch the kids start to behave better. Why? Because tjose low life parents don't want to be caught.
I understand it would be extremely difficult to encounter, but what would be things that teachers could do to help a student they suspect is being abused? Are you allowed to ask the student (in private of course) if everything is okay at home, etc? Something gentle and vague but lets them know you care and can be a safe person to talk to?
@@Sharon_L_W I spent 30 years at one school and I knew the pulse of the community. Talking and listening to students is important but not everyone feels comfortable talking about private things. You can gently probe, get a counselor involved (if you’re lucky enough to have one that’s worth their salt), but sometimes there is simply nothing you can do. Some teachers / staff are observant and or have special repoire with their students so you hope several people who have interaction with this student will notice and report it.
Poor Maddie didn’t feel safe (even at school) and had difficulty trusting adults. Her anxiety was manifested by needing to go to the school nurse often; kids with anxiety often feel sick, especially nausea.
It's a very common sign of CSA. A little more support from the school may have given her a safe mandatory reporter she may have opened up to.
The “buddy system” brought me back to when I was being ab- and went to this wicked witches house for daycare 😂 and had to bring my brother with to ask for play-doh cause I was too afraid she would hit or yell at me even tho she hadn’t before so IMO DEF A 🚩 IF KIDS NEED BUDDY SYSTEMS TO ASK FOR SIMPLE THINGS
@@anntares172agreed 😢😢😢😢
@@anntares172what’s crappy is the reporter may not have gotten her out of there or even cared to either tho.. pray we have less of them cause ik the one I had def could’ve saved my brother and I but she DIDNT CARE TO 😢😢😢
Jen's roommate- 'she and her 15 year old son have a room in the home' ?? There's a 15 year old boy sharing a bedroom with his mom? Who are these people? Kids need privacy, damn.
I agree
Seriously , right?
That’s lovely and all, and you’re absolutely right, but not all of us can afford that.
@@marleylove510 JEN'S father pays for the condo ( I believe) I don't understand why Room 4 .is a guest room and MADDIE didn't have her own room?
Being housed trumps privacy when you're struggling.
Little rude to assume the worst of a 15 year old boy, too. Most of thrm aren't crazy perverts.
Kids like this who are quiet and don’t make trouble fall through the cracks at school. Very sad.
And that have a learning disability, they are pretty much cooked. Poor Madeline.
It is heartbreaking to look at Maddie's pictures with her beautiful smile knowing she was probably screaming on the inside. She endured so much😢😢😢
I think disassociated describes Maddie’s school behaviour. Teachers should have tapped into that and reported child abuse concerns. Especially if Maddie’s grades did not equate with her IQ test results. Everyone let Maddie down.
Students aren't routinely tested for IQ, and most teachers would not have access to the scores if they exist.
Oh yes, I was a teacher for many years and believe me, most good teachers look for and explore concerns all the time! We are required to report any concerns! I have helped to stop abuse of many kinds throughout my career!
I wish you were my teacher because I was abused for years and no teacher helped me. What you encountered was the tip of the iceberg. I still haven’t confronted my abuser and I’m 64. It’s too horrible!
I’m a school psychologist and most schools have an “Early Warning System.” This system looks at three components- attendance, behavior, and coursework. If Maddie was not handing in assignments and/or receiving grades below C in any of her classes, the school most definitely would have met to discuss how to support her and attempt to contact the family (i.e., mother). Unless this district didn’t use an EWS (which it’s difficult to believe they didn’t have something in place), Maddie could have slipped through without notice. 🤷🏻♀️
@@jenniferbailey5914
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@@jenniferbailey5914 So sorry for the abuse you suffered, Jennifer. Fortunately, public schools are very proactive and supportive of student needs at the present time. While we continue to need more Federal funding to provide more counselors and school psychologists per school district, our training is superior and we are aware of the importance of supporting all students.
@@jenniferbailey5914 Even if you don’t confront the abuser, you NEED to let others know what he/she did and may still be doing! That is what happened in my case, he had already abused my mother at 13 on the way home from his wife, my Mom’s sister had just had their first child! He tried it in the car with my grandparents in the front seat…they are sick crazy people! Mine occurred when I was 2-14! Good luck and get ahold of me if you ever need to just vent! Take care!
The constant talking on the phone and texting with SS seems like Maddie had been manipulated into thinking they might have a “special relationship “, not realizing just how dysfunctional it really was . Wouldn’t be surprised if SS declared his love for Maddie . So so very sad . Maddie was so victimized.
She had nobody and this is a predator of the very worst kind . She was drugged alot and I'm sure she had to be aware of a lot of the abuse this child could not sleep thru all of it . None of the kids seemed to be a bestie you can tell your secrets to . It's sad that not one adult cared enough to really look into this child's life .If a grown man told me he cuddled with his on again off again girlfriend's twelve years old I'd be calling 696-kids altho I'd doubt it would do any good.
My heart truly breaks for this poor little girl and everything she went through.
Yes
After reading the foia docs it's heartbreaking she had no really close friends you can tell your upmost secrets to , no mother that wanted bothered and this monster doing unspeakable things to her , things you just don't tell anyone especially when you feel that nobody cares and just wants to label you .
So THEY broke up ,he moved out but the ' mother " yold her daughter to go upstairs with this creep.😢
Makes zero sense.
I kno9w in my heart that she too is as guilty as Stephan! It is so sad, I too am a survivor of this kind of abuse! It makes me so angry that no one protected her!
I am also a survivor however, my mom had no idea until years later. It was my best friend’s grandfather, I was always over and my moms hands were full with 5 kids , ( my sister got pregnant at 15 ), my brother was epileptic and had grand mal seizures daily. She was a stay at home mom, taking care of everything as my dad worked 3 til midnight ( which adding travel 1 hour each way) . So along with our dad, she took care of everything and a granddaughter of my oldest sister. I hated my mom for years for not knowing but how could she I was always at my best friends house. In my 30’s , I realized I wasted too much energy hating her and I had to forgive her. The abuse was for several years, the day we admitted the abuse, best friends mom called the police and then my parents. We lived 4 houses down and thankfully the police got there seconds before my parents. My dad walked up loading his gun and my mom had a huge knife and hammer. They had no idea, I was so frightened and scared. The police had him in cuffs and n the car thankfully, my parents waned to hurt him.
@@user-qm2tj8nc1k I hope you are trying to move on! My Uncle was my abuser, he had done it to my mother! But I lied to my Mom about anything going on! It wasn’t until I had open my mouth at 26 years old after the birth of our second daughter I ended up in the hospital due to severe depression and postpartum depression! My wonderful husband has been by my side always! Now at 60, I have to move on and not let it affect me! I will always watch my grandchildren for any signs! I have a wonderful son-in-law and trust him completely! I have to move on and be a real survivor! Good luck with your journey!
This mother enabled this to happen. If nothing else, she was negligent and she endangered her daughter. She should be held accountable for at least these things.
Love the channel. I am an educator of students from 1st-8th grade throughout my career. I kept a binder on every student with all information, as I looked at the whole child, and included assignments, grades, communication, behavior, and etc. I would go to lunch with my kids to make sure they were eating because some will just throw their food out sometimes. I would go out at recess to see the social dynamics. It was important to communicate with all of my students and parents for good and if there was concerns. All were documented. I am retired now with only probono tutoring. I have had to refer to my dean of students for students that I would see red flags. Many teachers will "know" their students even going to their recitals, games, plays and etc. Knowing the family is important. Just wanted to let you know. Teachers see their students as their kids. I love teaching!
The mom was such a loser. Bare minimum working yet could not be at the bday party. Mom checked out already. Maddie was tired because Stephan kept her up with his creepy habits or drugged her.
Je nifer does whatever she can to fob off/fismiss any issues w madeline highlighted to her, blaming her "she didnt take her medication". Jennifer just doesnt fecking care. She did not give a flying hoot. She wanted nothing to do with helping madeline. Its very clear. Maddy was suffering!!!
Here's one thing I don't understand about the timeline, and perhaps it's a small detail in the grand scheme of this case...But Jen's reasoning for pushing Maddy off into Stefans bedroom, was that she often had sleep troubles and needed to get sleep before getting up early on Monday. Except on Monday, Jen supposedly didn't leave the house until after 10 to go to a doc appointment. As a lifelong insomniac, this strikes me as very odd. Being able to sleep later because of an appointment would make even less sense as to why Maddy was kicked out of the bed, compared to a "normal" work day for Jen.
I cannot imagine putting my daughter into the bedroom of a man who was not her father-and a father who actually had a relationship with her
Good I-spy on the excuse 👍🏻
Had no idea that JS did not work full-time. So her sending her child to bed with a grown man for a good night sleep is beyond ridiculous. Not that it matters since that would never be acceptable but just another piece of the puzzle that makes little sense. Rest in peace Maddie. 🙏
Right? It’s like the parents who let their kids sleep with Michael Jackson. I do believe Stephan groomed Jen as well, which could explain some of her behavior. But at the end of the day, Jen was responsible for her child’s well being and safety, and 5 yrs of abuse is too much for me to believe she was totally clueless.
JEN worked" part time" but couldn't come to Maddie's party?
@@49ersfan62 RIGHT?!? Seriously what kind of mother doesn’t go to their child’s birthday party! Absolutely no excuse for missing itt especially when you only work part time!
@@createconsiderconnect3356 I can't remember.didnt THE CREEP,say Jen works different hours?
@@49ersfan62yes I work part time,, and I can’t get off on weekends or it’s a big deal. Jenn was there for Maddie’s actual birthday on the 22 nd
Public school teacher here - yes those are typically red flags that any good teacher will report. If we suspect abuse we are mandated reporters. Unfortunately there’s a whole process that’s out of our hands once we push the report higher on the command list. After that it’s up to the admin to hopefully take it seriously and get the child help.
Imagine being afraid to go home every day. I know that feeling, it can break you down to the point where you go into survival mode and discern permanently, only way you can handle it 😢 I look up to Madi for still smiling on her last photo and even all of her photos. She was looking forward to be 18 and living her own life 😢
Jen, the momster, could sleep in and also go to a doctor appointment, but couldn’t be there for her daughter’s birthday party????!!!! Bizarre.
Yep, she didn’t go to her party. Didn’t wake up to see that she got ready for school. Didn’t drop her off at school. Didn’t call 911. Didn’t go to her vigil. She pretty much said “good riddance” once her daughter was gone. Very sad for that poor baby.
JUSTICE for MADDIE.
*Jennifer appears to have EXCUSES for everything.* She really NEGLECTED Madeline. Even with school. Makes you wonder WHAT was taking up all of Jennifer's TIME. Such DISFUNCTION.
As a former elementary school teacher of 25 years, teachers think these things are distressing. I would have referred her for services. And, unfortunately, does not always mean that things will be discovered, but covering all concerns and documenting is critical. You are so correct, it is extremely tough to know the home lives of many students. We are legally required to contact DCFS if any suspicious behavior, story, etc. is a red flag. All these documented comments/observations tell a story, and kudos to those teachers for doing this. What a tragic story. OMG, I too thought Jenn was jealous of Maddie! Yes, we do dread those conversations because often, not always, parents are very defensive and in denial. It's a really tough situation. We had many IEP students. But, that does not get to the core of family dynamics, unfortunately. So very tragic.
Every drug addicted and medicated mother whose child is found sexually abused, neglected or murdered "all cry tears saying; I didn't know!", just before a criminal indictment: Ignorance is not an excuse.
Women are also that careless/evil sans drugs
All the issues Maddie had were because of what she was going through,what was happening to her.
She needed to be out of that environment, needless to say the everyday extreme trauma of living in that environment are not conductive to learning. Maddie’s concentration and memory would have been massively affected.
Everyone glorifies “medication.” Well, medication causes grogginess, sleepiness.
Sure - but all these people get it together enough to do the things they want: energy to go to the vape shop, shopping (for their things), etc - and act like an 8 hour work week is oh so onerous and planning her birthday on one of those 8 hours. But when it comes to parenting or a full time job - then the meds and the illness make it impossible to do anything. BS - then don’t have kids.
If Jenn had sleep meds that knocked her out, then there should not have been a problem with her daughter sleeping with HER!
Everyone does not glorify medication. Tell you what though, medication is treating the cancer which I have
In the very first interview Jen stuffed up. She said "we drove her" and then "He drove her". She lied from the first line.
GF I was abused by my father (in every way) and had no idea my mother was jealous of me. I basically had no relationship with either of them except for control and pain. I was an adult and it was my husband who finally said “your mother is jealous of you Pam.” After all those years it made sense. Can you imagine Jennifer feeing so jealous of Maddie because of the way this man-child felt about her as he is NOT her biological father. I think she hated the way SS treated M like his Girlfriend but she knew if she stopped it SS would walk because Maddie WAS the reason he was there in my opinion. Any thoughts?
Glad you have a caring husband. Yeah... some moms are like that. Hug
Thanks for always having class and empathy when doing these sad, heartbreaking stories! From 🇨🇦💜
A lot of teachers see the signs or are flat out told and do nothing.
When my cousin was in middle school she was being SA’d by her dad. She told her mom, mom did nothing. Told our grandma (dad’s mom) and she did nothing. She told the social worker at school THEY DID NOTHING.
I was so heart broken when I found out. We’re both in our 30s now and our grandma died and she refused to visit her on her death bed. I couldn’t understand why, a lot of people blamed it on her mom and dad being divorced now but when I saw her a few months later she told me. I immediately understood and felt just such a rage that so many people did nothing.
she was 100% envious of Maddie, not only because of what you said but maddie was FAR nicer looking and soon becoming a young lady. She looked so lovely in her green dress and pump heels. She was an aging toad at the end of the day.
I have 2 sons, but the mother/ daughter relationship can get really volatile
People are acting so crazy in this case,,, LE has found no wrongdoing on Jenn’s part
@@jenreilly8058Ok Jen Soto.
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@@stacytw79frr😂😂
@@stacytw79hahah I just wrote the same thing on another thread 😂
Also the makeshift room in the living room.. Jenn seemingly had profit ahead of her only child's basic needs. Even though she stated that Madeline NEVER slept in there... The room was setup with a desk, a TV, and a BED!!! I would be willing to bet that the ONLY privacy Madeline was ever allotted, was when she had to share a bed and a room with Stephan in room #4. This in itself, should be a crime in every state!
How is that "privacy"???
@@oneneverlaughsenough I was being facetious! Meaning the only bedroom Madeline seemed to have access to, would be room #4 whenever sleeze bag Stephan would come for his visits. What I found the most disgusting is, there was a tripod set up in that same room for.... What exactly?! How TF did Jenn Soto NOT see anything wrong with that situation or even question it? I would be asking what the tripod and camera were for EVEN IF I HAD NO CHILDREN AT ALL. Was Stephan a cam boy?? Was Madeline a cam girl? Is there some cringe only fans account out there that hasn't been discovered yet?! I have questions.
I agree, Jen being jealous 😢
I think SS probable succeeded in driving a wedge between mother and daughter. She probably had to mother SS and he and Maddie were on the same wavelength with same pre-teen interests. SS has deffo got arrested development - he’s never grown up!
I think Stern was drugging her.
I think the only mental problem Madi could have was C-PTSD, cause that what happens to people who gets abused for a long time. And if you look at the symptoms, that includes the farique, irritability, anxiouty, anger outbursts, even the Asthma. It took me 4 years to recover from this after being abused by a malignant narcissist for 2 years.
The mom's a creep from hell.
Oh my goodness. This little girl was in so much pain and anguish. We weep for Maddie.
jen was DEFINITELY hella jealous of maddie, imo. it’s kinda obvious
I don’t understand why Jenn thought she wouldn’t get a good nights sleep if SS and Maddie were in her room. Did she know there would be a disturbance in the bed/room? In my opinion, sending Maddie and SS out of the bedroom is the first step that set off the chain reaction leading to Maddie’s murder.
My theory is that Sterns was doing these horrible things to Madeline for years while she was unconscious (as indicated in the photos found on his phone); she would routinely be given her 'medication' which was likely something sedating so that Sterns could carry out his heinous acts unbeknownst to Madeline. This could explain why she didn't tell anyone; because she didn't know what was happening to her. She told her friends that she had stopped taking her medications lately. I think Sterns came back, with plans to sedate her and do what he had done to her in the past but she didn't take the meds, unbeknownst to Sterns. He goes in to commit his sick acts thinking she is asleep, she wakes, he gets freaked out and kills her. He even mentions that he got her ready for bed including giving her nighttime medication. I would be really interested in seeing the toxicology report when it comes out.
In any case, Madeline was failed on so many levels. She deserves justice.
Sure the medicine could’ve played a part in this..I doubt she was unaware what he doing to her!! Men like him bribe children or threaten them so they will keep quiet. It’s actually pretty easy when you have a child who has no support system .. esp a mother figure. Sad
Some of the photos she was unconscious, other photos she was awake. She was likely being drugged, but also groomed, manipulated and pressured by this predator.
Had to comment as a victim of C.A. Myself… firstly thank you SO much for bringing an empathetic approach to this! Your soothing tone makes watching this triggering info easier for me as I’m sure it does others of CA. Secondly, tons of red flags 🚩 imo! BUT I think the teachers DID what they could based on what they knew. I was outed as a child after telling my gf my father had struck me and a social worker was subsequently assigned and at my home for a long time as a child, however she NEVER took my brother or I aside to ask if we were ok and they LEFT US IN AN ABUSIVE HOME THAT I WAS TRAPPED IN FROM AGE 5-27.. social worker was involved by age 10… no jail time no nothing for my ab- no help no justice no safe haven so please I BEG U TO HELP THE CHILDREN IF UR THERE FOR AB- DO NOT LEAVE THOSE POOR CHILDREN THERE IF U CAN GET THEM OUT!!! I feel as though my brother and I had been FAILED BY THE SYSTEM AND MY HEART BREAKS FOR MADDIE 😢😢
D’S and F’s and no turned in work is 100% the parents fault!! Not involved no attention! Then when you’re 13 year old is being drugged by your BF so he can play with her while she’s passed out!!! Ugh
Madeline was showing nearly every sign of trauma from CSA in school. 😭 why didn’t the teachers talk to Jen about her failing and sleeping and inability to pay attention and being withdrawn? Those are serious red flags of something very bad happening at home! It feels like everyone failed this poor sweet child 😢😢😢
No.dont blame the school.SOMEONE did talk to the" mother".
@@49ersfan62no why didn’t school call Jenn? The school didn’t even call when she wasn’t at school,, they could have found her sooner!
@@jenreilly8058 Poor Maddie was already dead, so it's not like it would have mattered if the school called Jen after 1st period saying that Maddie wasn't in class since her sick boyfriend killed her not long after Jen sent him and Maddie off to sleep together in a separate room the night before so she can sleep like a beauty queen!
@@melissabaliva2989totally agree. She was already gone so it wouldn’t have mattered if the school called early. She’s just trying to deflect and place blame on others. That commenter is all over these types of RUclips channels defending JS. Glad to see most people are calling out her BS.
What I have noticed from my own children and their friends is that on ADHD meds, students are quiet and withdrawn. Without it, they are bouncing off the walls. I’m also sad thinking about the gym class and locker room. In junior high, it was mortifying to change in a locker room. If she was hesitant to change, it could be the only time she got to make a choice to not be exposed. Poor thing!
It didn’t make sense to me that when the teacher told the “mother” Madeline was tired she said it’s bc she didn’t take her meds- if she didn’t take her meds wouldnt she have more energy
It’s just so so sad her desperate joke of a mother cared more about having this disgusting loser as her boyfriend than doing anything to actually be a good mom. I don’t even have kids and it is so hard for me to hear this stuff
@@Regnbeans Even if Jennifer is mentally ill, she shouldn’t get a pass on charges. They don’t need to give her immunity to testify against Stephon. He hung himself leaving so much evidence behind.
Our jr high gym showers were patterned after work camps. U-shaped tiled walkway with shower heads placed 2ft apart. Girls had to hold towels above their heads and, butt neked traipse single-file thru the shower path Humiliating. Demeaning. Percy
Of course they wouldn't mention the asthma, that would've made finding her in the beginning THAT much more urgent. I REALLY hope the police are building a case against Jen, and charges will soon be filed against her. There's ABSOLUTELY ZERO WAY that Jen was just "aloof" and didn't realize EXACTLY what that monster was doing to her child.
When I saw Jen Soto reporting Madeline missing, I noticed the flatness in her delivery. She FAILED her daughter. Justice for Madeline.
What are the teachers going to do.... if her own daddy and grandparents did nothing..
Or mother
They couldn't save her, but treating a child who's kicked around with respect goes a long way in the end. That mother deserves whatever fresh hell life can bring her.
I hate to know that they were separated 6 months and she let that man come back to her house for a couple of nights just to kill Madeline😢 that woman needs to be jailed!!
ugh. Learning that she's barely turned in any assignments has me feeling like I got punched in the stomach. Poor Maddie. My heart breaks for her. Jennifer needs to be arrested and Sterns needs the DP.
Poor Maddie, she went through hell since the age of 8…it breaks my heart in a millions pieces. Rest easy now innocent Maddie💔💔💔🪽
Cannot thank Gavin enough for being so thorough and informative!! It’s tough information to talk about and I’m so grateful that Gavin is able to tackle it! Thank you Gavin Fish, Mods and Team!❤❤❤
*** GF *** I bet Maddie developed disassosiative identity disorder as a result of the SA! This type of abuse causes people to split into multiple personalities as a coping mechanism. That would explain a lot of what her teachers described.
I can see that Maddie's grandma didn't like Stefan!! She probably felt the evil 😢 Edit You're the only one that said about Jennifer's apartment was owned by her mom, I never knew this!!
In a household where parents are paying attention and are active in their child’s learning, getting good grades isn’t hard to achieve. D’s and Fs at all times is certainly a red flag and an indication something is going on at home. Whether it’s because her mother isn’t paying attention to her, etc. another thing is, parent teacher conferences must have been skipped by her mom. I’m sure her teachers have been very concerned for a long time. The obvious abuse had this child hopeless and her grades are a reflection of that.
Listen to Steven Sterns audible interview. Not video. He repeats at least three times about her menstruation. It’s about the time for young girls to begin menstruation. He talks about Jennifer’s menstrual cycle. I believe this is extremely significant to the case.
Gavin-
Hi, first of all thank you for speaking about all of this so compassionately.
And bringing awareness to Red Flags in these testimonies.
This is the very first vid I’ve watched about this case- I’ve been putting it off.
Currently, I am about 40 mins. in to this vid, and remember THIS IS THE FIRST INFO I’VE SEEN ON THIS CASE-
- And LONG story short, as a Social Worker- highly educated and trained in Child Welfare, Trauma- ALL the many various types of Abuse, and Child & Adult Mental Health/Illness- I could sadly add many more Red Flags and further detailed explanations/info that wasn’t mentioned.
Oh this breaks my heart.
WE HAVE TO EDUCATE AND TRAIN OUR TEACHERS (and EVERY OTHER MANDATORY REPORTER. AND GENERAL PUBLIC AWARENESS) IN *RECOGNIZING ALL THE MODERN, UP TO DATE SCIENTIFICALLY-BIO-NEURO-PSYCH, etc, SIGNS OF TRAUMA AND ABUSE*.
Sincerely,
Stacy
✝️❤️
Poor poor Madeline😢rip sweet angel🙏🏻❤️
The dog leash incident struck me when I first heard it because I think he killed with it in the car. It would have been too difficult and suspicious for him to carry out a dead body.
Good point! He could have drugged her so she was unconscious, then finished her off where her body was found. That would explain the cadaver dogs not hitting on his car
@@AngiehagmanI thought MADDIE'S body was in his trunk?
@@49ersfan62 I dunno- he probably thought his trunk was less suspicious- she was out cold at that point, it was too risky with her limp unconscious body flopping around the front, so putting her in the trunk made sense to that POS
@MichellePoorman-sn1zy Maddie was filmed slumped over with her mouth hanging open inside his car. The police thought she was deceased at the time.
She could've been drugged and carried to the car.
Someone please answer : how in the world did this woman allow this horrific abuse of her daughter????
Jen is definitely definitely a part of this no question
I had no idea that D and Fs on a Regular basis was even allowed it’s Been a while since my kid has been in school but that used to be a matter that parent teacher conferences were done and my sister in law is A teacher now that would not be acceptable in her class
Jen wouldn’t come to parent teacher conferences. So what was the teacher supposed to do after that? Kidnap the kid? Be serious
Speaking to Jenn's mental capacity. My best friend growing up was what we called slow 50+ years ago. She still functions on a 12 year old level, you cannot reason with her as an adult. She becomes very agitated because in her mind, she is 61 years old but technically, she is not. I had to end the friendship with her 20+ years ago because she's just too difficult to deal with. She and Jenn seem a lot alike.
But Jenn drives and works. Yes, she looks very dim and now it’s been proved that she most certainly is by her conduct. I’m sure she has a low IQ but not functioning as a pre-teen like your friend
Jen doesn’t have any mental deficiencies. According to her friends and roommates, she was normal and even controlling. She’s playing dumb
@@SublefoxI think Jenn was not in control. I think the monster she lived with did everything to let her believe that.
Don’t you think Gavin would have noticed this and possibly not slept with a childlike mind? He seems 100% normal.
@@modenam9046 Wait, what? You mean Stephan?
I really did not believe that any family was as dysfunctional as mine but this family/situation is actually worse. So very bizarre, poor Maddie 💔 She needed to be rescued
One saying Maddie said, Stephen was close to her and another said, she felt creeped out by him. He may have played the friend and father when she was not getting along with the mother? So sad , this case is hard to handle.
10:18 I'm probably slow to realise this, but her mum and Stephan saying she had ADHD on multiple occasions has just clicked - I don't think it's necessarily a correct diagnosis. Her inattention, forgetfulness, and whatever other behavioural struggles she had displayed at school in particular were more likely the psychological effects of being abused for so many years. Her young brain had to find a way to cope, and often that means a level of dissociation while the abuse is happening... then that can become a 'habit' in other situations.
Daydreaming, zoning out, flashbacks, physical pain from the abuse, the loneliness/isolation she must've felt as a child victim with a mother who didn't protect her, her disrupted sleep (based on the affidavit details IIRC?), and possibly being drugged at night (my speculation! may not be true.. but when Stephan told cops he used Ativan, alarm bells rang cos I use that and it knocks me out hard, is known to make you drowsy the next day, and higher doses cause retrograde and anterograde amnesia.. like total blocks of time you have no recollection of - source: I'm an idiot who used to abuse them). All those factors would've made it so hard for her to focus at school.
Far out, this makes my heart break even more realising that she pushed on and was so strong to keep smiling while holding in those horrific secrets. Being a teen is hard enough and THIS is what she had piled onto it. How could a person do that to a freaking child?
I hope others manage to reflect and realise (sooner than I did) that silent warning signs of abuse can be misinterpreted and diagnosed as something like ADHD. Things as simple as poor attention skills and forgetfulness mean her mind wasn't 'there' - sometimes you have to ask why that might be, and not just assume it's the childs personality, lack of interest, or an organic and unpredictable brain disorder.
FWIW, I'm 36, diagnosed in my 30s with ADHD. Childhood trauma probably had a lot to do with it manifesting too.
My heart breaks for this little girl. Her mother needs to be held accountable for her part in this nightmare. As for the whinetit, he'll get his.
Jenn needs to be arrested asap!
There were enough red flags that merited a parent/teacher conference, i.e. she would go to class and put her head down, disconnected, sad, she struggled with her homework and was criticized by her Mother. The source document is one that was written by Maddie which I read. I am sure that it has now been d
isappeared. The real DAD, GRANDMAS, AUNTS failed Maddie. My husband is a teacher for decades before he retired. He said there were too many behaviors that required immediate intervention. Grandmother sent her home knowing that Jennifer was working.
Why wasn’t the birthing person (she is no mother) notified? My son has ADHD. Not turning in assignments isn’t unusual. I kept on him. I had contact with his teachers. He was in advanced ( with an IEP) classes after 3rd grade. He’s an adult now. Why didn’t her mother inquire how her daughter was doing? So many people failed this child. Maddie, We love, you. You will get your justice. Rest in peace Sweetheart.
I'm surprised nobody said she hasn't been sleeping because the assaults were occurring at night, sometimes when she was sleeping
Where we Grandparents, Father. Teachers, are there to teach but also the first look out for signs of abuse, sadly did not care enough.
Her mother is her care giver.this is on JEN
@@49ersfan62well LE don’t agree she’s not arrested
@@jenreilly8058 how do you know.its up to the prosecutor.
@@jenreilly8058man, you’re sick
Do you notice how y’all include teachers with family? Jenn wouldn’t come to the school to work with the teachers. What are they supposed to do? Kidnap the child? Be serious
Looking at Maddie’s school report is EXACTLY the same as all my childhood reports.
Tired, daydreaming, absenteeism, loner, struggling to keep up.
When you are either being “disturbed” in your sleep constantly, either by literally woken up, or by being constantly “alert” and hyper-vigilant and under immense stress.
When your only way of coping with the reality of what is happening to you is by splitting off and dissociating…. When the abuse is chronic long-term and severe the dissociation can become chronic.
When you are a child and have been conditioned to believe “no one will believe you” “this is normal” “if you tell, your mum/grandma etc. won’t love you anymore” “if you tell you mum / dog etc. will die” and and all combinations…. As a little child growing up under this - believes this.
As you reach puberty and begin to feel the stress and fear of actually becoming pregnant to your own dad / step-dad…
When you feel so much older than your (few) friends.
It begins to gradually become so overwhelming to be able to function as a young girl/person
Desperately trying to remain close to your mum at all costs to avoid being alone - but if, as in my case, your mother is in active denial of CLEAR signals and ultimate brave confessions
These days with the surge of labelling ADHD Autism spectrum etc. SA red flags could so easily be misunderstood
I recognise these traits of Maddie SO well. It grieves me to think of her pain.
I was such a good quiet girl in school, and I recall once I got to age 12 it occurred to me one day that I could write an outrageous story for English Comprehension and it could be a way or prompting a teacher to pull me out of class to question me as to what was happening at home to write such a story…. And that would be a way of it coming out without me “telling”. So I wrote a story about “stabbing my father to death in the kitchen with a kitchen knife”… 😮 sadly what happened was this “flare” went up to the wrong teacher because without going into it much more I ended up being regularly SA by that teacher.
I left home at 16 and lived alone in a caravan and had left school so I could work to pay for somewhere to live.
For clarity, in my 30’s I found out that my father had divorced my mother - he told my mother what he had done to me from age 3 to 16… as a way of repulsing her so she would leave (she still wanted to stay with him) he wanted to move on so he could take up with a young Filipino woman much younger than me that had two little children. He sponsored her from Philippines to Australia. When I found this out… this was the impetus for me to go to the police.
In short my mother refused to support me willingly- she had to be forced via subpoena to to testify that my father had confessed!! My father ultimately went to prison, sentenced for 18 years… that was only for offences in one state… I could have gone on to other states.
Also later I pursued and got justice against the NSW Department of Education for the SA by the teacher
I’m now 58, strong and have educated myself have a wonderful family of my own. Its been a difficult journey
Every one of the stories about Maddie are absolutely the same as me. Dreaming of a house in the woods was one of my favourite daydreams. Also dreaming of becoming a nun - the cloistered life was high in my mind.
The problem for these perpetrators is regardless of all the threats and control- eventually the child will mature…. And with this comes the risk of two things - pregnancy and eventual gaining courage to tell.
I also had severe gynecological problems as a child. My mother was not attentive to these issues
I found it difficult to have friends as I was seen as different- even other kids picked up on something not right.
Sadly we are not shocked to disbelief that a man can SA a child as it’s so prevalent that it is an epidemic…… what we find so unbelievable is that a mother could know and ignore (or even participate or enable). This disbelief is why we see so many ppl defending Jen Soto despite the fact that we all know that even the basic admitted fact that Jen Soto sent Maddie to sleep in “Room 4” “guest room”
It’s likely that Maddie got to the age 13 where she finally was developing the courage to challenge back and it was simply too big a threat so it was deemed she had “to go”. Either that or a possible pregnancy (that could be checked).
I’m certain Maddie was not bipolar…
For people who wonder how she could smile in photos…. You smile you try to be happy as you try to deal with what is happening to you desperately trying to be “normal”
I am absolutely certain that at BEST Jen Soto passively accepted the situation, turned the blind eye. Jen Soto is a weak human being and not a mother.
Regardless is Jen Soto participated in Maddie’s death… she should have some charges of neglect
Why are observations only spoken or acted on, only after something happens to the children? Why not at the current time, when the child/children are alive?
I agree, makes me wonder how many teachers haven’t noticed, or how many family members or people close around other kids, that haven’t noticed any signs on other kids?
Because the teachers have said the mother never attended parent teacher conferences. There's only so much a teacher can do , when a parent doesn't respond.
@@LadyGodiva771exactly
Try it. Try saving an abused child, or even an abused dog.
@dsoule4902 I have, with dogs. And it worked here in Port Elizabeth. South Africa. People were breeding and selling dogs, most of them were undernourished. The Animal Rescue and the cops came out. All the dogs were taken away from them, they got a hefty fine and are never allowed to own an animal again. Never tried it with children though.
Ty
Teachers may be mandated reporters, but if there is no visible evidence....not much gets done by protective services.
IMO Maddie was an innocent child whose mom was emotionally detached. Heartbreaking for this child.
I went thru some of my single years with a teenage daughter, and no one, I MEAN NO ONE, ever stayed under my roof if my daughter was home...
NO ONE!!!!!!!
I was a mother first!!!!
And just a note, "I DON'T call 911!"
This is my first time watching. I am a teacher and I love children. I found your program very informative and your way of presenting it very compassionate towards this beautiful little girl who lost her life.
Rulene van der Steen, South Africa 🇿🇦 ✨
Maddie had an inhaler. You only get one of those with a prescription
Any child in elementary school should be at C level. If they are English as a second language, that could explain the low performance. But that means they are moved to a special program to mediate the limitation.
10:40 I grew up with a step parent who was on drugs and my mom would throw him out and let him back and he abused me by spanking me bare butt with a belt and he beat tf out of my poor mom too. It was so bad that i had to go straight to my mom every day after school to see if I needed to take my baby brother to our room to hide or not.
I once walked out of my bedroom door in the middle of the night because I woke up to them fighting and I opened my bedroom door and saw my step dad sitting on the side of the bed with a rifle in his mouth. I can go on and on with horrific stories and let me tell you, I also never turned in homework or did book reports.
I'm so sorry this happened to you,I hope your life is much more brighter today.♥️
So sorry to hear 😢 hope you have found healing ❤️🩹 ❤
@@TinaMiller-oj2kp yes its better now thank you.
@camilita16241 yes I'm ok now , but it was traumatic for sure,maybe beating the cycle of abuse was the hardest part I ended up in several abusive relationships before I found my prince .
It bothers me that Maddie showed her friend pics of Stephan
No criticism for her teachers!! For SURE, they were communicating and trying to do something about a student who was consistently failing. Many communications had been given to her mother; as a teacher of 2 decades I’m absolutely positive of that. The educators involved cannot defend themselves because student records are 100% confidential. Stop looking for blame in this place. That is cruel and wrong.
If he was medicating her at night with his Ativan , then she slept through his abuse, and she’d probably wake up really anxious off that stuff, that poor girl❤! My heart goes out to her!
What if Maddie was pregnant?? What if that’s why he killed her??
He could have killed her because he suspected she could be, maybe not even knowing if she were or not. Buying a pregnancy test for her and then her knowing the result, would have increased the risk for him. 😢
Yep! Quit taking her meds??? No period?? He’s gone and suddenly he’s there. Mom jealous of her. Suspicious
@@candyorange266exactly, they couldn’t very well have her do a pregnancy test or Madeline would have known and possibly told others (probably). And a pregnant 12-13 yr old girl is not normal. Jen and Stephan would have been punished for that severely. So, if she’d missed her period for 2 months, Stephan may have been freaking out thinking she was pregnant, and took care of the issue before it could come to light.
That'll come out in trial. Or did he plea?
@@candyorange2664th grade immigrant girl didn't feel well & had a baby right in the school office. No one knew she was pregnant. Her uncle got busted
Ive been following this since the beginning and just don't understand why her biological dad didn't come get her? The girl didn't even have her own room! Clearly her mother had no interest in her daughter and was unable to provide. In an interview I think her dad said that he had intentions of bringing her with him, but that "money was tight". I wonder how much he communicated with her?My heart breaks for Maddie!
I wonder if Maddie' s bio dad pay child support?
He was living his new life married with kids.. typical male.
J.s and S.s kept Maddie as isolated as possible,she kept the bio dad at arms length.
Maddie didn't even know her own address,
Jenn didnt have any involvement with Madeline because she was jealous of her. Jenn lied several times and handed her daughter to bed with a monster.poor Madeline never stood a chance.
My dad collared me just after my 15th birthday. He abused me for 2 years until I tried to kill myself. I couldn't speak with anyone. My mum was always jealous of me, hated me. I left home asap after the suicide attempt. It was hell. I couldn't come to terms with it until i was in my kate forties. Just kept it inside . I'm fine now thanks to reading other victims memoirs. X
IMO I always thought the statement of her wanting to go live in the woods was a forewarning, as if she was threatened with this prior to her murder or told to her for a while by either SS or her own mother dearest. What are the odds of her body being found in the woods?
red flags allll over. That poor girl.
New subscriber from the UK. Really enjoying your content. Jen really wasn't equipped to be a mother. If your child has a learning disability, is forgetful and needs support - then why is Jen not helping Maddie manage these things?. She missed doses of her medication - that is Jens job to help Maddie and ensure this doesn't happen. Seems like she was lazy and just didn't care. One of those out of sight out of mind parents. Poor Maddie had no one looking out for her and her own mum told her basically the first chance she was going to get she was kicking Maddie out.
The mother needs to be charged with some kind of neglect- everyone failed this girl