@@Toasty_Britches that actually isn't the reality. the way V acts in the game isn't someone who is desperate or has the urgency of death even though we are told that this is the case. Way too virtuous and benevolent and too little self preservation for someone about to die in 2 weeks. But the reason for this is more because its a game. You have to be able to do content outside of the urgency of the problem. if you do not get to play V as the protagonist, V would be like songbird. Desperate and doing everything she can to survive.
@lostvayne9146 that's the entire point of it being a game, though. The reality is that however the player role plays V is what ideally forms his/her decision. To say that "in reality x" would happen with a player character would be to strip away the factor of the player entirely, at which point you're simply watching a movie, not playing a game. To the point that I'm not even suggesting that V absolutely would have saved Songbird as a matter of fact, I'm saying that's what V has done by my direction and how I personally constructed her dynamic. There is no "actually" because if there were it wouldn't have been a game at all.
@@Toasty_Britches what I am saying is that the line “Could’ve just told me the truth! Would’ve helped you out anyways!” is not something songbird can ever do nor believe. The fact that she actually does tell you and plays fair removes her from being truly rotten. Yes I am stripping away the factor of the player. It ain't D&D. The game is following a very specific story and V has their own personality. Its more of an interactive storybook than actual roleplay.
Loved this line, because it's exactly what my V did in the end. He was the second-in-command of Arasaka Counter Intelligence, he's not stupid enough to completely fall into Songbird's lies. But, I do think he was willing to try anything at that point; even if it meant just saving someone else in the same boat. This was true still, when giving Songbird over to Reed instead. In the shuttle, being terrified that he was killing his best friend to get what he'd thought he wanted, realizing he doesn't want it, stopped wanting it a long time ago. If Songbird had been truthful sooner (unlikely if it was right off the bat,) he would've switched gears when that "I don't want to keep trying to find a way to end this, I think I've been running on only instinct for half of it" clicked in sooner. "I think this is better, or at least something I CAN do."
well here's the thing bro V and songbird arent saints but fucking hardcore criminals and from moral stand point both deserve it lol, specially the way i played the game my V for sure deserve to die like nobody🤣
@@aadi2134 same rule can be applied for every game character that we play as to kill npcs here and there. Doesn't mean we can't pick our character to lead a good life or something. L take if I ever seen one.
And Panam cared too because she talks you on the phone how she will help you and you can choose her route and wants to help you even when you say Goodbye to her. Also when you hand your body to Johnny she is the only person who sees him and wants to beat V out of him because of sheer despair.
@@awesomedude2556 Well what would you do if 2 years someone doesnt respond ?? I mean she tried to reach out to him and didnt knew V will undergo surgery so I think its justified. Even you can hear Mitch in credits telling V that Panam took it hard he didnt contact her when she tells you she will get the necessary help plus I think it was the point so the ending is bittersweet since V survived.
Let me tell you something, the idea of President Myers shitting her pants every day, wondering when Songbird is going to drop a tell-all, gives me a massive chubby
You are missing so many... 1. Edgerunners (x2) 2. Edgerunners ending trailer 3. The Heist 4. PL 5. Every ending save for the secret one, and The Star? but even then.... I love cyberpunk but I feel that makes me a masochist...
Crazy how helping ppl in this game always seems to screw V over as a merc V has a heart of gold because anyone else would really just turn into Johnny Silverhand and just say F everyone else I now have more respect and understanding of Johnny after playing all paths of the game and expanding every choice you always get F’d over in the end Johnny is really the only one that really changes as a person to want to try to benefit you or save you JS made an effort while everyone else just took took and took from V
He does get cold feet in the new ending though. All that talk of "my life for yours" and he tries to get you to abandon the cure at the end because he afraid to die. Not that I blame him but he really should have been more prepared to die than that.
Considering that at the end Songbird confesses about the cure to V and having it face to face, it's not like you find out any other way than directly from her, so, even though she betrayed you, it's true that she cared about you, just Before the end, there it is between whether you have empathy and what things you would do to save your life like V does. I prefer to save her, simply so that NUSA cannot manipulate the black wall in any way, which is even worse than simply betraying you, plus if she prefers to die rather than continue working for NUSA, I can't imagine what they will do to her.
Yeah. Johnny was right. Betray us or not, Songbird doing what she did to get so far deserves respect. And the fact that she told us there was no cure for us, knowing we still held her life in our hands shows she trusted us and just wanted to give us all the cards. She was also the only other person who truly knows what V is going through. So sending her to the moon was a pleasure. V has such a heart of gold that even Johnny seemed touched by that choice.
@@lazyboyterryYeah by basically scrapping the Johnny parts from your nervous system, leaving you basically a cripple unable to fight or tolerate any decent chrome due to your damaged nerves. That and the fact that you were in a coma for 2 years and everyone around you had essentially moved on, even Reed has been tossed into an office. And the NUSA now has a brainwashed songbird capable of nuking an entire city by using the black wall that could potentially cause a hole that could destroy civilization due to the su flood
i love how this expansion is even more cyberpunk 2077 than cyberpunk 2077. The gigs from Mr.Hands in Dogtown usually put you under circumstances that force you to decide, but no matter which option did you pick, it always feel wrong in a way, morality in cyberpunk 2077 world is never black or white, like Misty said, be true to yourself, just you and your choices. Pretty much the same goes to Reed and Songbird, there is not a "right" option, only options that make you feel right.
I love CDPR endings because it shows that happiness is a result not a goal. Even if the odds are against you, you gotta keep trying. The effort and the pursuit exceeds what you think you’ve been chasing all along.
I wasnt particularly surprised at songbird keeping the truth, and i sent her to the moon anyways. Reed gets relieved of his duties, Songbird isnt dead or used as a slave and V will just have to find a way to survive, which is possible with the star ending for sure.
@@toniyakovlev4403 Its not 100% clear as to what she means except that everything changes. I doubt any AI actually knows what a soul is. If it's true, then honestly dying would be preferable than being replaced. At the end of the day, it's going to be whatever the writers want it to be.
@@helplies7184 if you are a Netrunner your V can basically fry people's brains temporarily with a glance without killing anyone. I'd take that pretty seriously. Also, canonical outcome for many gigs clearly involve V not killing anyone and going full stealth, like the Soviet Fixer gig
Slightly cool but if you do play phantom liberty first just expansion, and then you go to afterlife when you meet rogue for the first time you get a dialogue option where you could tell her you were the guy that beat ….. spoilers…….. Max tac. Edit: okay I just got to Panam vs Nash, shoot out (atleast for me it was) and there is some sick tie in dialog still… they went above and beyond for sure! However Johnny’s dialogue after seems disjointed from phantom liberty to him being abrasive. Not smooth (Keanu is expensive I guess.)
@@bobbytaraantinoso i take as youre in a spoiler comment you dont care about spoilers. DLC has two main endings, each with two variations. One ending is siding with songbird and youll go n fight the NUSA. One is turning her over to Reed and thats where you fight maxtac
If you sell Songbird out at the first opportunity given, she goes Cyberspsycho on all of Dogtown, and MaxTac is called in to stop her. Naturally, that's not the case. You NEED to beat MaxTac to finish that ending.
@@bobbytaraantino you get the ending of sending so mi to the moon if you not put the ice that reed gives you in the mission were you go to kidnap the twins and get the AI matrix, if you only put the options of put the codes, you will be so mi ally, if you put the ice breaker you will be reed ally, you get the maxtac battle if you get ally with reed, and you get some souvenirs if you help so mi to reach the moon, there is also slight short endings, like betraying so mi when you meet reed at the space port, also you can be killed by reed if you do not stop with so mi in your hands, i have not played the reed path, but looks like you fight max tac in that option and you can kill or let alive so mi at the hands of myers, also in the option were you ally with reed you can get more information of so mi, and her past with myers and reed, also you get a fancy weapon called like "ereberus" and a terminal that allow you to hack using blackwall powers.
For me,.roleplaying V as a former corpo fully converted to johnnys anti establishment ideals, freeing somi was the play even if I as a player thought id 180 bc of her betrayal. Then? No options left. Time to raid Arasaka tower alone 😎 I do like the Reed ending though. Bleak, melancholic, yet hopeful in its own way. V has been forced to adopt a different, and id argue morally and physically healthier lifestyle than his/her merc days. Sure your friends have moved on or changed, but thats life. And the V we know is an adaptable fellow. Still doesn't beat the Aldecaldo ending as my personal fav. A close third, behind Dont fear the reaper in second
frankly, "siding with reed" is the only true OK ending to phantom libery, because songbird is a pathological liar and manipulator. She betrayed her higher ups to save her ass, killed a bunch of her own people, put conditions to start an all out war with NUS, and since the very beginning lies to V about cure despite the fact she never really needed to. and then she emotionally manipulates V with this "I need to trust you, please, oh my god, carry my curry for me, yadda-yadda-yadda" then to fuck him over. Yeah, right. Nah, bitch, you're going back to NUS
Yes, also V will die in a back alley stabbed to death for 20 eddies probably. Or Tiger Claws will get V not even knowing it's V. You have seen as merc what they do on the streets with simple npcs. Shot in the back, lying on the ground, until another merc comes around seeing what they did and to kill those Tyger Claws for xp and eddies too.
I knew that V wasn't gonna be cured in the expansion, but I didn't expected to be because songbird lied to him. That part really changed my impression of her, I really felt sorry and simpathized with songbird desire to live, specially seeing how she was forced into becoming a spy and never got to live a normal life, however, one can't help to feel that she was selfish, how many people died so she could live? how many people did she betray, including V, who stood with her until the very end. In my playthrough, I send her to the moon, but didn't left her with encouring words, at the very least, she deserved to live with those words
How many fucking people die for V? I swear to God everyone is a massive pussy about this. She lied, get over it. They all lie, everyone lies, did you think Alt didn't? The AI "forgot" to count the biological aspect of the body? Saul aims to use V for the Nomad route. Rogue wants to settle shit for herself for the Johnny Path. The reality is that everyone has a motive and it's about knowing said motives to make a judgement.
I get the feeling. In my playthrough I betrayed songbird not bc I was siding with NUSA, but I trusted reed wouldn’t let So Mi get trapped by Myers again and force her to breach into the blackwall. I also had a feeling that she could lose herself to the blackwall or lie to V again. Sadly choosing her death to me was the lesser evil. While she was free in sorta way, Myers would not be able to torture her again and later Reed recognizes his fault to what happened to songbird. Not the best outcome, but that is the thing about this dlc, none of the outcomes are treated as 100% good or bad, each one of them has it’s own merits and faults.
@birboartt6598 I'm amazed you trusted Reed. Dude was sketchy the longer you hung out with him. The more he repeated how much he wanted to help her the less I trusted him.
@@loserinasuit7880 i betray songbird because she was being extremely shady and not telling me everything up front. Where as Reed never lied to me with false promises.
I did all endings and the one that I like the most and made more sense to me was sending Song to the moon (granted she ends up with Mr. Blue Eyes) but it seems to be way better than ending up as a tool again for NUSA. End of the day there was empathy between both V and her even with all the half truths and lies. Reed dying is sad but in a way you free the guy from his over zealous duty that was just a prison for him. In the end fuck the system.
Really enjoyed the dlc man got kinda pissed last night when i found out song betrayed us but CDPR definitely nailed the feeling that nothing goes right in NC
I somehow found this shard on accident just after the ending. I was looking for a laptop in the alleyway, related to the nightclub gig. Found this instead. Honestly thought that CDPR were spying on me or something
What to you mean? Going off with the nomads already was considered the "happy ending" as the base game even hinted at v survivng through the tarot cards, now with PL dlc V can call in a favor and that gives even more credence to being able to fix the relics effect and surviving. So all things considered i call that a satisfying happy ending.
@@cp159632 Nomads, especially Aldecaldos have some serious connections in Cyberpunk lore, the big question back then was if it could even be cured at all. The new ending proves that its possible to cure V, this basically gives all other endings more credit, especially the Legend ending.
I sent her too the moon anyways even if she was stringing us along. It's nice to be the person that's able to give someone a happy ending in night city.
Screw the NUSA, Myers, and Reed (self righteous 'oh I'll help So Mi by ensuring she's enslaved to be Myers' weapon until death' lookin' ahh). Yes, she should've been honest with V from the get-go, but she was in essentially the same shoes as V where survival meant risky decisions and trusting a random merc with that would've a lot to ask especially when everyone in her life from the moment she met Reed at 19 has been a professional, sociopathic liar. Personally, I suspected her cure only being able to be used once, but what am I gonna do...watch a person in distress, in the same terrible position my character is in, get passed around NUSA agents. Hell nah. So Mi all day. Plus this way, Myers no longer has access to the Blackwall via So Mi.
@@Dankmemeslover69 Supposedly Mr. Blueeyes never forgets a promise. She gave him the info he wanted, and he gave her a ride to the moon. That was that.
I was driving her in the van, knowing full well she would fuck me over. I Really Wanna Stay In Your House started playing as we got on the highway on the way to the spaceport. That's when I knew I made the right choice. V, like Songbird, knows what its like to be dying and having no choice but to do whatever it takes to survive.
@@Dankmemeslover69 Prison? That's the lie Reed spews but it's not what really happens she doesn't go to prison if you sell her out, she goes to become Myers puppet AI, how you think she invades NC in the tower ending? You just gave Myers the power to become the next Saburo, congratulations.
Songbird would most likely to be in NC because government ain't a thing in NC its all corpos and myers would be after her so NC is a great cover for her...
The most bittersweet part about this is that So Mi has made a true friend who still sided with her despite everything if you send her to the Moon. She’s been raised by people who would backstab you and believed no one can be trusted until she met V who proved her wrong and that there are still true friends out there.
King of Wands is an amazing ending, depending on your own philosophy and morality, honestly. My Nomad V, with morals, tenacity and a dream to live, has a meeting pending with the reaper or the sun... And setting free a little songbird, and take her to the moon was awesome, it ain't the top of Arasaka tower, but I hope someone's dream was fulfilled
V pulls basically a terrorist attack with an impressive body count for one little traitor fuckup who spent her entire life biting at more than she can chew. A hundred murdered with thousands of families and friends affected by that as a trade for one miserable life and the only thing songbird will learn out of this is than she can fuck up some more because she always lands on her feet thanks to naive people like V. Thats hardly amazing.
@@Dankmemeslover69What are people mumbling about Night Corp all the time? That’s just a theory we have zero information about who or what this guy truly is. And even so canongly Night Corp is considered to be the corporation that looks out for Night City and wants Arasaka and Militech out so the citizens can regain control.
@@Dankmemeslover69What Night Corp bro? We have 0 official information about who tis guy truly is yet. CDPR can change their mind any day and make a pizza guy out of him if they want to in Orion. People need to stop thinking theories and headcanons are anything else than that. People glorified the Sun ending up to now bc it seemed like the one were V stands the best chance for a cure but Songbird is all of sudden screwed because she makes a deal with same guy? Seriously the selective memories of this fan base are smt else.
Wow, So Mi is almost full-borg. I wouldn't be supprised if her brain is the only thing left of the real So Mi. The blackwall took everything and left her with nothing. If anything Myers is jusr as bas as any of the horrors beyond the blackwall.
I played V as a nomad, and it really made sense to me and my V to free Songbird. I cried so much when Johnny agreed to me about doing so. This is now the best game I ever played so far. It beat AC IV for me.
@@lukemorgan6166do you live under a rock? No offense, but if people cry from movies then it’s perfectly reasonable to cry from the ending of a video game. I only cry if the dog dies, real or not.
Me too, i was willing to carry her to the moon if there were cure for us both but this... It was a real backstab. And killing reed for this? I mean if she were honest with me i could consider it. I think any choice we would make is betraying someone. Still reed didnt betray me and after ending he and victor is all who i got left
I mean you can hate on her choices as much as you want but V is not any better. V has killed and fucked up so many people in his pursuit to save himself. V and Song are more alike than you think, both willing to screw so many people over to save themselves.
@@drcheesecak3 i know V isn't any better when it comes to fucking up people but untill this expansion V didnt have to betray anyone that he cared about. I truly understand songbird and kinda got attached to her. Therefore i think she cant blame me if i betrayed her at the end. I wish i could be a person that would still help her after that, to break that cycle but i am not.
Spoiler No! She texts you to go to the place she used to hang out, the one in Dogtown with the fairy lights, she left you an implant. You can try to reply to her, but I didn't watch the full video on it to find out if she says anything else, wanna experience it myself
@@orkan6034 yeah, she can't. She is a no1 wanted person on the face of the Earth (and maybe even beyond), just her reaching out to you and sending you a reward is a huge risk for her. Sweet from her she actually cares to do that twice.
@@qtvjIt's in a heavily vegetated little outcrop in the eastern side of Dogtown, near to the basketball court where you meet Reed the first time. A bit North of it.
Song was using blackwall from the moment she recruited you and guides V through the opening sequence of dogtown. Meyers knew of course the Song was an illegal weapon and so they both had to lose.
Honestly I feel on Johnny and takemura gave a damn about V. Vic and misty of course. Plus witness or not, even Johnny calls takemura our ronin at one point.
V freeing Songbird and sending her to the moon is reminiscent to David and Lucy. If only they played, I really want to stay at your house when he put her in the rocket.
I did the nusa ending because its frankly the best ending for V, probably songbird too since shes almost a rogue A.I at this point (possesed i think). I tried doing the moon ending but she was like "i lied to you V, the neural matrix only works once so i cant save you" i was just like: probably shouldn't have told me you're gonna betray me while i still can fuck you over. So yeah i sold her out again. You dont get to double cross me, ive already been betrayed and it cost me my life, not making the same mistake
Cause shes great at manipulating people. There are people like that, and even when you see through them, realize they have been abusing you, you'll still miss em a decade later.
I sided with reed then mercy killed songbird. I have no clue the extent to the abilities of the blackwall. To me it could just be the blackwall talking at the end and even if I gave her the cure, who's to say its the blackwall that gets control. I also didn't want the NUSA to keep songbird to abuse their WMD.
Exactly, my boy, you get it. Too dangerous to be left alive. Now that she's actually shown her power to everyone, every single corp will be gunning for her because having a portable Blackwall conduit is too good to pass up. Better off freeing her of this torture.
@@waffle3632Im exactly with the both of you. That's literally the exact ending I picked. I empathized with both sides, but imo Songbird was the one who posed a greater large scale threat in the long run. She also spends quite a bit of time emotionally manipulating you throughout the dlc. At one point after you let her know a bunch of people will die for what shes about to do she says something along the lines of "they'll die for us" which threw me off. In the end I still felt she's been through a lot, and while I wanted to close the gateway to the blackwall, I also wanted to set her free. I also didn't feel bad for Reed, he was content with keeping her alive and suffering just so he could justify his actions to himself and pretend to be her "savior"
I sided with songbird, but understanding the game I agree that the killing of songbird is the best option as she might being played again by Mr. Blue eyes. We all know that corpo and govt always have the upper hand in NC. Additionally, I also agree that it might be the blackwall talking as I noticed during the escape that songbird changes her voice when talking to V.
Oh hey a chip buried in some who-knows-how-many-days-old takeout left baking in the sun on the street corner. Better jam this into my head. Wipe it first? pfft
Based on all the paths and endings, Songbird is dealing with her mind essentially being erased slowly by the blackwall, and something from beyond filling that void. As to what end, or what purpose, other than chaos...we don't really know. Ofc Song is chromed up to the gills for being a netrunning badass, but her issues stem partially from being under the influence of people like Myers and Reed, partially from being so chromed up, but also her interactions with the BlackWall has other effects. I don't think we're dealing with Cyberpsychosis so much of a threat as much as "she's slowly being taken over by Rogue AI". As to how effective and her present real status after sending her to the moon, honestly, I don't know. She's alive, and seemingly better than we left her on, but it could be "she's fine now", "the Blackwall/AI has taken her", or something else. There's still alot of missing pieces imo, or that I haven't seen that indicate what's her current stat. From the "going with Reed" endings, the NUSA and their attempts at fixing her don't work, other than to preserve her life, and she's now essentially some drone/puppet for the NUSA and Myers to have Blackwall access. Clearly a terrible end. As to what her use of the Cynosure and going to moon ended up getting for her, all i can say for certainty was that it was her choice, and she's alive. Past that, idk if anyone really knows.
@@joshuameadows4922 the other guy actually explained it very well, but i can allready tell what you're saying is not true, the game says it, the anime does.
@@cgusiec7039 Funny, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking info from the official Cyberpunk lore, and things that are alluded in the game as well. Anyone who uses the anime for reference is a moron. Cyberpsycosis has way more to do with mental health than it does Chrome. Which is why some people can snap from a single implant, and some can become full on borgs before snapping. Or why some have insane amounts of chrome, and are perfectly OK. Or maybe why if you actually read the cyberpysco chips, you would realize that EVERY single last one was going through some rough shit before their attack. Many were also soldiers with PTSD. Songbird went crazy due her meddling beyond the Blackwall, and was being corrupted by rouge Ai more and more everytime she tapped into it. Her chrome had nothing to do with it, she got the chrome because the Blackwall was killing her normal body. Edit: BTW its also very clearly stated in the game that nobody actually knows what causes Cyberpsycosis
Why would NUSA help with raiding Arasaka? Seem like starting a fifth corp war, and for what? Just to help expendable merc who outlived his usefulness? Nah, the fact that they even left V alive in the new ending is a miracle. Dude knows too much to be left alive and yet they just let him go on his merry way, free to do with these secrets as he wishes. Very risky move on Myers part.
@@Dankmemeslover69 In her fucked up way I think Myers is an idealist who gives creedence to promises given to a comrade in arms, yeah shes a narcisist but she struck me as a complex character, and in the lore we see this too, how she undermines militech, anyway, I never wanted an nus backed tower assault I just wanted a piece of dialogue where V tells reed thx but no thx because the treatment would kill johnny.
You can't tell him no, but you can reject his offer by not calling him. When you go to the point of no return during "Who Wants To Live Forever", Johnny expresses his concerns that he'll die if NUSA removes the Relic, insisting you try another method first. From there, you have the option of calling Reed and taking his offer or going back to do other quests. As long as you don't call Reed there, you can then do the Nocturne mission and have the base game options, with the added option of calling Reed instead and getting the surgery. Most people just don't do that because it's kinda fucked up to give up Songbird and also reject the cure.
@@peaceflower8302thats what I did lol, I turned on song because I thought she went full psycho in the stadium when she said theyll die so we can live gleefully, I thought she was far too gone so I uploaded the virus, and I dont know why I just couldnt kill her at cynosure, so all I got was a shitty medal.
might be in the minority here, but personally i didnt really like any ending. i get its not supposed to have a happy ending for anyone involved, but still, there's quite a few things that left me annoyed: 1. disappointed that mr. blue eyes was only briefly mentioned and didnt play a bigger role. 2. felt a bit too call of duty ish at the start with all the plain runnin and gunnin behind covers, but got better as the story progressed. 3. the fact it wont have a happy ending was "foreshadowed" throughout the entire dlc story (no matter what decision you take anywhere in your missions, it always seemed to go south for someone, like the 2 mercs that help you a bit and then "had been taken care of", basically every character in every side mission, reed, songbird, myers, depending on how you decided everything, V of course, the only one who apparently got what he wanted everywhere was mr. hands, not sure how to feel about that). 4. if the NUSA has the ability to cure V, then a whole lot of the story is actually kind of pointless. apparently the NUSA also knew that only one of them could be saved, so they could have just told V way earlier and lured him in. 5. they talk about the blackwall and songbirds breaching of it is so dangerous and all, yet she does it over and over again as well as V in the end, literally spamming black wall attacks at their enemies, yet nothing bad really happens to anyone because of it (not talking about the blackwalled dead soldiers, but more the aftermath), feels like the dlc should have some impact on the main game after completing it, which it kinda doesnt aside from one more depressing ending. 6. the fact that songbird just leaves V behind is just as sad as the coma ending where everyone else also left him behind (good friends btw, 2 years in a coma and they are all gone and nobody even ATTEMPTS to be there for him? the most frustrating one to me is judy, she cant help him because she is married and lives in pittsburgh? wtf? so your friend you went through with so much shit and just got out of a coma cant like visit you or something for some mental support? fucking judy.) I get songbird is most likely the most wanted person in the NUSA but come on, you still cant contact V more? the seemingly best netrunner in the world? think about what kind of gig she pulled of in the DLC, fooling literally everyone, the entire cast of the DLC, but she cant find a work around to stay in contact with the guy that saved her life despite her lies? 7. the fact that misty knows that V will have it hard to find himself/herself in NC again with all the implants lost, being just a regular person, yet she doesnt invite him to come along with her? V is fucking depressed by the fact that he is useless now in this city and she knows the city is fucked up, that's why she leaves it, but she doesnt want V with her? your dead boyfriends best buddy just woke up from a coma and has lost everything (his aparment in the megabuilding and everything inside it as well, literally everything), but sure he manages, right? no help needed. and yes, again, i get it, its not supposed to be a happily ever after, but for me it doesnt feel like "oh man, this really made me think, even if you try your hardest, it doesnt always work out for you", for me it feels more like "wow, the devs really wanted to drive home the feeling of complete unachievability of your goals and dreams with this one, huh?". i mean i enjoyed the DLC after the "intro" with the call of duty ish start, mr. hands was cool, the side missions were decent (though the car stealing thing for el capitan was boring af) but the endings kinda killed it for me.
6. Why would SoMi contact V? She was using V from the very beginning. V was never her friend, but a means to an end. Her friendship with V had served its purpose, meaning there is no reason for her to risk anything to stay in contact.
I really enjoyed the game, just really sick of them shitting on my happiness. Like come on, we asked for a happy ending and you gave us loneliness and despair.
NOt gonna lie, after i sat through the end and she turned got bumped into and walked down the sidewalk like she was just another spec in a crowd.. fml that hit hard... all that work to just amount to nothing and start over... I deal with depression a bit as it is and I was like like fuck... i didn't need that perspective on life.
The new ending is as happy as it gets in this setting. V survived, won. Sure, he now has to live without crazy cyberware but with all his money, connections, knowledge, skills. Not to mention dude spent the last two years in a coma, the fact that he can even walk on the first day is very impressive. He'll get on his feet and do whatever your head canon is. Be a fixer, join nomads again, reunite with love interest, whatever.
Reed at least kept his promise and got V's back after not a single soul besides Vik and Misty. Sure, two years went by, but some didn't even cared to answer the holo.
Damn after reading everyone’s comments I feel like a real asswipe for sending her away with the NUSA and helping Reed. I was kind of butthurt she was lying the whole time so I had a feeling she would keep doing it so that’s why I did what I did 💀💀💀
Yeah... she only lied to you time and time again offering a cure to a illness thats killing you in a noticeably faster rate with every passing day. Why would you focus on your own well being rather than on the ones of the abuser? It doesnt make any sense.
The way I see it, songbird was doing the right thing for the wrong reason, and Reed was doing the wrong thing for the right reason. Reed is a good man, he has values that his loyalty to the end, and he did genuinely care about songbird. However, he ultimately wants to enslave songbird to the NUSA, and have her manipulate the black wall. Songbird is completely willing to manipulate and lie to people to achieve the ends that she wants. I sided with songbird, but considered handing her over to Reed after I found out, she betrayed me. I couldn’t do it though because I had killed so many people to get her on that rocket. Plus, I couldn’t send her to back the government
What I really like about the DLC is that all main characters involved have their own fleshed-out motivations that you get squished in to, unlike the main game where I didn't really give two shits about what any faction wanted. May not be a happy ending for V but at least So Mi got a shot at it, and Reed finally got his peaceful retirement.
I feel like this DLC is way better written than the main game. Not just the main story characters, even every side quest has a twist that leaves you in a moral dilemma, everyone has his motivations. Can't remember that this was the case for the main game as well. So damn well written.
One of the main problems with factions in the base game is that we barely get any personal interactions with neither. Sure, we have Panam for nomads, Takemura for Arasaka, brief interaction with Meredith for Militech. But none for Tiger Claws, Sixth Street, Maelstrom, Valentinos. We do meet occasional character for each, like Brick but none make us truly invested into their lives not do they make their respective factions seem like anything other than immoral cunts.
Dumbest merc in Night City, sticking random shards into his head - using strangers BD's. Without plot armor v would be as dead before the heist and without the relic he would be dead a dozen times over.
So V basically destroyed his life, fucked himself even more than he/she already is, by getting on the bad side of the NUSA, killed Reed who seemed more like a bro than songbird, just to save someone who was ready to sacrifice dozens of civilians just to save herself, someone who betrayed V and instead of lying about a cure, could have hired V as a merc to help out, someone who guilt tripped V and tried to play the sympathy card? And as a thank you she records a video and gives you a bit of loot? Thats just low 💀
The NUSA is corrupt to the point it's just another corp. Myers is just the other side of the Arasaka/Corpo coin that bleeds every innocent person dry. Reed, despite being likeable, is a guy who's blinded himself to how he's trapped the people he cares about in NUSA cages, even causing their deaths (Alex and So Mi). Helping him condemns him to a life of a used tool, who will live with the regret of what he's sacrificed as the only one left standing. Songbird just wanted to be free, the people she was told to trust broke and caged her (Myers especially) she has every reason to be so desperate, as only V could relate. She never played the sympathy card, she simply begged for help from the only person who had the power to, despite how she lied to V and manipulated - as Reed and the NUSA taught her to. Freeing Songbird helps the AIs take over, which further helps V in the (don't) fear the Reaper. Which is one step towards saving the world from the Corpos across the planet (examples we see at the Black Sapphire). Everything in the Cyberpunk world is low. Ultimately the best choice is to pick your poison wisely, because no matter what you do - it's gonna cost.
Songbird: Gives relic skill tree and Quantum Tuner (perfect on different builds) Myers: Gives medal. (Possibly the Blackwall techs IF you didn't missed it.) and gives V the ending he/she's scared off, being a nobody, being a face on the crowd.
I thing that even I forgot is how much of a baby Panam is. Don’t get me wrong, I adore her, always gonna wish CDPR had made her Bi so I could romance her with my femV. But Panam doesn’t deal with negative emotions well: she gets fussy, she screams and shouts and regardless of what you say to her, she always does what she wants to do. She’s headstrong and immature and this is the first time we’ve been on the receiving end of Panam’s fury. A mature person would understand V had no choice but Panam isn’t mature. She cares a lot, loves deeply but she’s still a massive pouty baby and I can’t hate her for the things I loved about her
I don’t care songbird backstab V I care that she is free away from this evils she good person and kind heart but I wish CDPR can give us romance with songbird or Alex
DLC is ultimately about empathy. You play as a ruthless merc who's out to save themselves from death. As V, we con, kill, and are responsible for carnage amongst the city. Songbird creates just as much to save herself. When she told me she betrayed me too it felt more like she's telling you how much she cares about you, V. She only ever used the terminology when referring to Reed. She didn't trust Reed but she trusted V. There's a fucked up sweetness to her arc.
@mbovb006 I mean it obviously depends on how YOU play, but considering how the majority of people are in Night City, I wouldn't call V "ruthless" they definitely seem to be more kind and understanding than most. Unless you just choose the "be a dick" dialouge every time 😂
@@joshuameadows4922 Man are you murdering people for money? Stealing, killing, carjacking, and trying to beat out titles of dickheads like Adam Smasher? If you think that shit is normal I am concerned lol. Even if you pick the happiest ending with a love interest - you get countless Nomads who were only trying to help you killed. You're never a 'good guy or girl' as V. You're always selfish. It's literally the story of the game. Self preservation. You just pick options you think are right in the scenario.
she’s not free at all when she said “i was right too” she was right about being a lab rat in space for mr blue eyes being tested on and put through gruesome tests
V: finds a shard in fucking takeaway packaging, slots it in at once.
Also V: Why am I dying?!
V is the type of a guy who puts every candy they find on the floor
i mean V play literally any BD V found so, wouldnt be much of a surprise
Hopefully Dr. Viktor Vektor installed some Tier 5 anti-virus software because V does indeed stick every random shard into his skull.
V the type of gonk to walk their ass into a box trap with a single slice of Kraft cheese below it
@@michaelperkola391 I mean, V visit Victor for the first time to upgrade and check for viruses...
“Could’ve just told me the truth! Would’ve helped you out anyways!”
Exactly.
@@Toasty_Britches that actually isn't the reality.
the way V acts in the game isn't someone who is desperate or has the urgency of death even though we are told that this is the case. Way too virtuous and benevolent and too little self preservation for someone about to die in 2 weeks. But the reason for this is more because its a game. You have to be able to do content outside of the urgency of the problem.
if you do not get to play V as the protagonist, V would be like songbird. Desperate and doing everything she can to survive.
@lostvayne9146 that's the entire point of it being a game, though. The reality is that however the player role plays V is what ideally forms his/her decision. To say that "in reality x" would happen with a player character would be to strip away the factor of the player entirely, at which point you're simply watching a movie, not playing a game.
To the point that I'm not even suggesting that V absolutely would have saved Songbird as a matter of fact, I'm saying that's what V has done by my direction and how I personally constructed her dynamic. There is no "actually" because if there were it wouldn't have been a game at all.
@@Toasty_Britches
what I am saying is that the line “Could’ve just told me the truth! Would’ve helped you out anyways!” is not something songbird can ever do nor believe. The fact that she actually does tell you and plays fair removes her from being truly rotten.
Yes I am stripping away the factor of the player. It ain't D&D. The game is following a very specific story and V has their own personality. Its more of an interactive storybook than actual roleplay.
Loved this line, because it's exactly what my V did in the end.
He was the second-in-command of Arasaka Counter Intelligence, he's not stupid enough to completely fall into Songbird's lies. But, I do think he was willing to try anything at that point; even if it meant just saving someone else in the same boat.
This was true still, when giving Songbird over to Reed instead. In the shuttle, being terrified that he was killing his best friend to get what he'd thought he wanted, realizing he doesn't want it, stopped wanting it a long time ago.
If Songbird had been truthful sooner (unlikely if it was right off the bat,) he would've switched gears when that "I don't want to keep trying to find a way to end this, I think I've been running on only instinct for half of it" clicked in sooner. "I think this is better, or at least something I CAN do."
She trusted V but she broke V's trust. V deserved better but always got the short hand in every damn way possible.
well here's the thing bro V and songbird arent saints but fucking hardcore criminals and from moral stand point both deserve it lol, specially the way i played the game my V for sure deserve to die like nobody🤣
for the better, if she gave V the cure it would be the worst ending for V
She had no choice
@@aadi2134 same rule can be applied for every game character that we play as to kill npcs here and there. Doesn't mean we can't pick our character to lead a good life or something. L take if I ever seen one.
you can batray her after she batrays you
In the end, Silverhands engram was the only thing that cared about V. Thats sad af.
Vik did too! True bro in every ending
you forgot misty and jack's mother
and at some point i think rouge cares for V too,
And Panam cared too because she talks you on the phone how she will help you and you can choose her route and wants to help you even when you say Goodbye to her. Also when you hand your body to Johnny she is the only person who sees him and wants to beat V out of him because of sheer despair.
@@ValidatedPersonexcept for the new ending where she straight up ghosts you
@@awesomedude2556 Well what would you do if 2 years someone doesnt respond ?? I mean she tried to reach out to him and didnt knew V will undergo surgery so I think its justified. Even you can hear Mitch in credits telling V that Panam took it hard he didnt contact her when she tells you she will get the necessary help plus I think it was the point so the ending is bittersweet since V survived.
I love how immediately after such a touching sentiment the atmosphere yells out "ORRRRRRGIATIC!" out of the ether. lmao
that and the Milf ad make this game unplayable in the living room
Certified Night-City Classic
@@talacraI see what you did there
LMFAO
At least it wasn't Milfguard's OOOHHH AHHNNNN
Let me tell you something, the idea of President Myers shitting her pants every day, wondering when Songbird is going to drop a tell-all, gives me a massive chubby
Saving Songbird is a dumbass ending. NUSA would just get us killed ASAP right after launching this half dead cyborg into orbit.
@@jeloneq7 Let them try when V can solo the Arasaka Tower and the borg himself.
@@jeloneq7 I hoped so much that it would happen.. after all it's bad to always and only take it out on 10 waves of maxtac, I wanted the FIA ones
In just 3 years CDPR managed to break ours hearts 3 times already.
I am again reminded of the heartbreak that is Edgerunners 😭
You are missing so many...
1. Edgerunners (x2)
2. Edgerunners ending trailer
3. The Heist
4. PL
5. Every ending save for the secret one, and The Star? but even then....
I love cyberpunk but I feel that makes me a masochist...
@@frinkls5347 truth be told edgerunners wasn't heartbreaking, it was written on the wall that most would die, especially David and Maine
@@frinkls5347 you are forgetting another
The launch of the game
@ frinkls5347 The secret one and the star are also sad because you end up betraying Takemura. Unless you didn’t save him but that’s tragic on its own…
I love V reaction... like eating a nice cake
Crazy how helping ppl in this game always seems to screw V over as a merc V has a heart of gold because anyone else would really just turn into Johnny Silverhand and just say F everyone else I now have more respect and understanding of Johnny after playing all paths of the game and expanding every choice you always get F’d over in the end Johnny is really the only one that really changes as a person to want to try to benefit you or save you JS made an effort while everyone else just took took and took from V
Johnny does commend you for saving her at the end of this mission.
That is why I love the don't fear the reaper ending you gotta go out with a bang
True, but not always
@@niersa4744True, and so that V doesn’t pull any of their friends into it
He does get cold feet in the new ending though. All that talk of "my life for yours" and he tries to get you to abandon the cure at the end because he afraid to die. Not that I blame him but he really should have been more prepared to die than that.
Considering that at the end Songbird confesses about the cure to V and having it face to face, it's not like you find out any other way than directly from her, so, even though she betrayed you, it's true that she cared about you, just Before the end, there it is between whether you have empathy and what things you would do to save your life like V does.
I prefer to save her, simply so that NUSA cannot manipulate the black wall in any way, which is even worse than simply betraying you, plus if she prefers to die rather than continue working for NUSA, I can't imagine what they will do to her.
oh yeah sure, because helping and making a deal with Mr Blue Eyes the guys who brainwash both Peralez is better hum ? 🙄
Yeah. Johnny was right. Betray us or not, Songbird doing what she did to get so far deserves respect. And the fact that she told us there was no cure for us, knowing we still held her life in our hands shows she trusted us and just wanted to give us all the cards. She was also the only other person who truly knows what V is going through. So sending her to the moon was a pleasure. V has such a heart of gold that even Johnny seemed touched by that choice.
You can always kill her
@@oscarm4095 and yet Reed and Myers cured V.
@@lazyboyterryYeah by basically scrapping the Johnny parts from your nervous system, leaving you basically a cripple unable to fight or tolerate any decent chrome due to your damaged nerves.
That and the fact that you were in a coma for 2 years and everyone around you had essentially moved on, even Reed has been tossed into an office.
And the NUSA now has a brainwashed songbird capable of nuking an entire city by using the black wall that could potentially cause a hole that could destroy civilization due to the su flood
i love how this expansion is even more cyberpunk 2077 than cyberpunk 2077. The gigs from Mr.Hands in Dogtown usually put you under circumstances that force you to decide, but no matter which option did you pick, it always feel wrong in a way, morality in cyberpunk 2077 world is never black or white, like Misty said, be true to yourself, just you and your choices.
Pretty much the same goes to Reed and Songbird, there is not a "right" option, only options that make you feel right.
If I had a nickel for every time I desperately wanted a female netrunner to get to the moon I'd have two nickels
I love CDPR endings because it shows that happiness is a result not a goal.
Even if the odds are against you, you gotta keep trying. The effort and the pursuit exceeds what you think you’ve been chasing all along.
I wasnt particularly surprised at songbird keeping the truth, and i sent her to the moon anyways. Reed gets relieved of his duties, Songbird isnt dead or used as a slave and V will just have to find a way to survive, which is possible with the star ending for sure.
It's possible, not guaranteed in both the Star and Sun endings. BUT......Is that really V or just an engram?
and Alex gets her retirement. A happy ending for MOST of the party involved.
@@Eco-pu2zsI am yet to complete the DLC but literally any ending that has V access Mikoshi outright kills the "real" V. Alt hits V with a soulkiller.
@@toniyakovlev4403 Its not 100% clear as to what she means except that everything changes. I doubt any AI actually knows what a soul is. If it's true, then honestly dying would be preferable than being replaced. At the end of the day, it's going to be whatever the writers want it to be.
@@dura4247 Reason I pick this ending right there.
If V was this generous of heart all the time, nobody would ever die from his work...
I handed her roofied asian ass back to NUSA lol
Yeah but that’s his friend
No one needs to. I don't think there's a single obligatory kill in the game.
Not even Smasher
@@odd-eyes6363makes 0 sense though, V is merc, who the hell would take him seriusly if he was soft hearted?
@@helplies7184 if you are a Netrunner your V can basically fry people's brains temporarily with a glance without killing anyone. I'd take that pretty seriously.
Also, canonical outcome for many gigs clearly involve V not killing anyone and going full stealth, like the Soviet Fixer gig
Slightly cool but if you do play phantom liberty first just expansion, and then you go to afterlife when you meet rogue for the first time you get a dialogue option where you could tell her you were the guy that beat ….. spoilers……..
Max tac.
Edit: okay I just got to Panam vs Nash, shoot out (atleast for me it was) and there is some sick tie in dialog still… they went above and beyond for sure! However Johnny’s dialogue after seems disjointed from phantom liberty to him being abrasive. Not smooth (Keanu is expensive I guess.)
Wait that was MaxTac at the airport I was fighting with optical camos? Not the NUSA military?
@@bobbytaraantinoso i take as youre in a spoiler comment you dont care about spoilers. DLC has two main endings, each with two variations. One ending is siding with songbird and youll go n fight the NUSA. One is turning her over to Reed and thats where you fight maxtac
@@joshuadouglass8225 What if I side with so mi and fight the nusa. Will I get a different dialogue from Rogue?
If you sell Songbird out at the first opportunity given, she goes Cyberspsycho on all of Dogtown, and MaxTac is called in to stop her. Naturally, that's not the case. You NEED to beat MaxTac to finish that ending.
@@bobbytaraantino you get the ending of sending so mi to the moon if you not put the ice that reed gives you in the mission were you go to kidnap the twins and get the AI matrix, if you only put the options of put the codes, you will be so mi ally, if you put the ice breaker you will be reed ally, you get the maxtac battle if you get ally with reed, and you get some souvenirs if you help so mi to reach the moon, there is also slight short endings, like betraying so mi when you meet reed at the space port, also you can be killed by reed if you do not stop with so mi in your hands, i have not played the reed path, but looks like you fight max tac in that option and you can kill or let alive so mi at the hands of myers, also in the option were you ally with reed you can get more information of so mi, and her past with myers and reed, also you get a fancy weapon called like "ereberus" and a terminal that allow you to hack using blackwall powers.
For me,.roleplaying V as a former corpo fully converted to johnnys anti establishment ideals, freeing somi was the play even if I as a player thought id 180 bc of her betrayal. Then? No options left. Time to raid Arasaka tower alone 😎
I do like the Reed ending though. Bleak, melancholic, yet hopeful in its own way. V has been forced to adopt a different, and id argue morally and physically healthier lifestyle than his/her merc days. Sure your friends have moved on or changed, but thats life. And the V we know is an adaptable fellow.
Still doesn't beat the Aldecaldo ending as my personal fav. A close third, behind Dont fear the reaper in second
frankly, "siding with reed" is the only true OK ending to phantom libery, because songbird is a pathological liar and manipulator. She betrayed her higher ups to save her ass, killed a bunch of her own people, put conditions to start an all out war with NUS, and since the very beginning lies to V about cure despite the fact she never really needed to. and then she emotionally manipulates V with this "I need to trust you, please, oh my god, carry my curry for me, yadda-yadda-yadda" then to fuck him over. Yeah, right. Nah, bitch, you're going back to NUS
Yes, also V will die in a back alley stabbed to death for 20 eddies probably. Or Tiger Claws will get V not even knowing it's V. You have seen as merc what they do on the streets with simple npcs. Shot in the back, lying on the ground, until another merc comes around seeing what they did and to kill those Tyger Claws for xp and eddies too.
Killing Moon into The Reaper really is the best way to go imo. Especially if you do reaper immediately after, just makes it 10x more badass.
@@DagobertX2 not unless you get out of NC take the offer from Reed and become an Employee at Langley and have a quiet life
@@Methyll Well, V is NC for 5 minutes and already got beaten up. Hopefully more luck next time until she/he left the city.
Was there any indicator at all? That’s such a strange place for that. And all we have to say in response in “hm” 😂
I think its place when we meet songbird before a spaceship
@@nexonseat1150 there’s an area she takes you under the overpass but this isn’t that. Is it a different place?
Its the place you meet songbird at the van before going into NCX@@Shermoose
@@Shermoose she has you meet her in the van, its just outside the van in the ally
I mean "hm" is a good response after songbird lied to us in the end
I knew that V wasn't gonna be cured in the expansion, but I didn't expected to be because songbird lied to him. That part really changed my impression of her, I really felt sorry and simpathized with songbird desire to live, specially seeing how she was forced into becoming a spy and never got to live a normal life, however, one can't help to feel that she was selfish, how many people died so she could live? how many people did she betray, including V, who stood with her until the very end. In my playthrough, I send her to the moon, but didn't left her with encouring words, at the very least, she deserved to live with those words
How many fucking people die for V? I swear to God everyone is a massive pussy about this. She lied, get over it. They all lie, everyone lies, did you think Alt didn't? The AI "forgot" to count the biological aspect of the body? Saul aims to use V for the Nomad route. Rogue wants to settle shit for herself for the Johnny Path. The reality is that everyone has a motive and it's about knowing said motives to make a judgement.
I get the feeling. In my playthrough I betrayed songbird not bc I was siding with NUSA, but I trusted reed wouldn’t let So Mi get trapped by Myers again and force her to breach into the blackwall. I also had a feeling that she could lose herself to the blackwall or lie to V again. Sadly choosing her death to me was the lesser evil. While she was free in sorta way, Myers would not be able to torture her again and later Reed recognizes his fault to what happened to songbird. Not the best outcome, but that is the thing about this dlc, none of the outcomes are treated as 100% good or bad, each one of them has it’s own merits and faults.
@birboartt6598 I'm amazed you trusted Reed. Dude was sketchy the longer you hung out with him. The more he repeated how much he wanted to help her the less I trusted him.
@@loserinasuit7880 i betray songbird because she was being extremely shady and not telling me everything up front. Where as Reed never lied to me with false promises.
@@birboartt6598 really they both lie lol but reed was kool though
I did all endings and the one that I like the most and made more sense to me was sending Song to the moon (granted she ends up with Mr. Blue Eyes) but it seems to be way better than ending up as a tool again for NUSA. End of the day there was empathy between both V and her even with all the half truths and lies. Reed dying is sad but in a way you free the guy from his over zealous duty that was just a prison for him. In the end fuck the system.
Really enjoyed the dlc man got kinda pissed last night when i found out song betrayed us but CDPR definitely nailed the feeling that nothing goes right in NC
Oh, look... A shard is just laying around in a shady alley. Guess I'll just jam it into my skull and see what's inside, seems like a safe idea. 😂
I somehow found this shard on accident just after the ending. I was looking for a laptop in the alleyway, related to the nightclub gig. Found this instead. Honestly thought that CDPR were spying on me or something
Who knows how many other messages there are in the game about Songbird?
She did send a souvenir as well so in a way despite betraying V she was one of the ones that related to V since she was dying herself
Just went to the location before watching the vid. Thx man I needed that after the dlc
Guys none of the endings are supposed to be satisfying, CDPR NAILED that feeling of bleakness perfectly.
What to you mean? Going off with the nomads already was considered the "happy ending" as the base game even hinted at v survivng through the tarot cards, now with PL dlc V can call in a favor and that gives even more credence to being able to fix the relics effect and surviving. So all things considered i call that a satisfying happy ending.
"For folks like us? Wrong City. Wrong People"
There are no happy endings in Night City
people really cant stop huffing that nomad tarot copium
@@cp159632 Nomads, especially Aldecaldos have some serious connections in Cyberpunk lore, the big question back then was if it could even be cured at all.
The new ending proves that its possible to cure V, this basically gives all other endings more credit, especially the Legend ending.
@@JunaidAnsari-my2cx Which is why Panam's ending's the best ending. Leave the city for good.
I went straight back there after the dlc completely organically and was happy the devs put something there
This game will do anything beside give me a smidge of happiness
I sent her too the moon anyways even if she was stringing us along. It's nice to be the person that's able to give someone a happy ending in night city.
there are so many secrets in this game and I'm mad that I miss all of these
Screw the NUSA, Myers, and Reed (self righteous 'oh I'll help So Mi by ensuring she's enslaved to be Myers' weapon until death' lookin' ahh). Yes, she should've been honest with V from the get-go, but she was in essentially the same shoes as V where survival meant risky decisions and trusting a random merc with that would've a lot to ask especially when everyone in her life from the moment she met Reed at 19 has been a professional, sociopathic liar. Personally, I suspected her cure only being able to be used once, but what am I gonna do...watch a person in distress, in the same terrible position my character is in, get passed around NUSA agents. Hell nah. So Mi all day. Plus this way, Myers no longer has access to the Blackwall via So Mi.
Ended up sending her to moon anyway. Just cause flash backs from Lucy...
I couldn't wait for you to come and clear the cupboard....
Congrats, sold her off to Blue Eyes, traded NUSA prison for Nightcorp one.
@@Dankmemeslover69 Supposedly Mr. Blueeyes never forgets a promise. She gave him the info he wanted, and he gave her a ride to the moon. That was that.
I was driving her in the van, knowing full well she would fuck me over. I Really Wanna Stay In Your House started playing as we got on the highway on the way to the spaceport. That's when I knew I made the right choice. V, like Songbird, knows what its like to be dying and having no choice but to do whatever it takes to survive.
@@Dankmemeslover69 Prison? That's the lie Reed spews but it's not what really happens she doesn't go to prison if you sell her out, she goes to become Myers puppet AI, how you think she invades NC in the tower ending? You just gave Myers the power to become the next Saburo, congratulations.
"Mh."
-V
the level of detail of this game is astounding
im doing sun ending to find her on the moon
It still hard for me to understeand the fact that after the killing moon why we can't meet with her or at least message her
Cause that is probably saved for the sequel
Songbird would most likely to be in NC because government ain't a thing in NC its all corpos and myers would be after her so NC is a great cover for her...
The best ending for me!
She has found exactly the right person in V, a good boy who does bad things =)
Simp
Yo chill 😂 but I get you
The most bittersweet part about this is that So Mi has made a true friend who still sided with her despite everything if you send her to the Moon. She’s been raised by people who would backstab you and believed no one can be trusted until she met V who proved her wrong and that there are still true friends out there.
V is like a toddler in a room full of knives. Slots in every random shard he finds on the street.
I mean... if you press the button the character does what you tell it to do.
King of Wands is an amazing ending, depending on your own philosophy and morality, honestly.
My Nomad V, with morals, tenacity and a dream to live, has a meeting pending with the reaper or the sun...
And setting free a little songbird, and take her to the moon was awesome, it ain't the top of Arasaka tower, but I hope someone's dream was fulfilled
V pulls basically a terrorist attack with an impressive body count for one little traitor fuckup who spent her entire life biting at more than she can chew. A hundred murdered with thousands of families and friends affected by that as a trade for one miserable life and the only thing songbird will learn out of this is than she can fuck up some more because she always lands on her feet thanks to naive people like V. Thats hardly amazing.
You sent her to Blue Eyes on silver platter, choom. Traded NUSA prison for Nightcorp one. Little bird is fucked regardless.
@@Dankmemeslover69What are people mumbling about Night Corp all the time? That’s just a theory we have zero information about who or what this guy truly is. And even so canongly Night Corp is considered to be the corporation that looks out for Night City and wants Arasaka and Militech out so the citizens can regain control.
@@Dankmemeslover69What Night Corp bro? We have 0 official information about who tis guy truly is yet. CDPR can change their mind any day and make a pizza guy out of him if they want to in Orion. People need to stop thinking theories and headcanons are anything else than that.
People glorified the Sun ending up to now bc it seemed like the one were V stands the best chance for a cure but Songbird is all of sudden screwed because she makes a deal with same guy? Seriously the selective memories of this fan base are smt else.
@@Arcane6745 I mean, they do some weird mind control experiments on their own employees, so go figure xdd
Wow, So Mi is almost full-borg. I wouldn't be supprised if her brain is the only thing left of the real So Mi. The blackwall took everything and left her with nothing. If anything Myers is jusr as bas as any of the horrors beyond the blackwall.
Damn i was expecting more lol
I played V as a nomad, and it really made sense to me and my V to free Songbird. I cried so much when Johnny agreed to me about doing so. This is now the best game I ever played so far. It beat AC IV for me.
You cried... Over virtual characters??
@@lukemorgan6166 yes
@@lukemorgan6166
Play the intro of The last of us. The first one. Tell me you don't get emotional at Joel's reaction.
@@lukemorgan6166your life must be dull. Lowlife.
@@lukemorgan6166do you live under a rock? No offense, but if people cry from movies then it’s perfectly reasonable to cry from the ending of a video game. I only cry if the dog dies, real or not.
King of Pentacles and spared SBirb
See I was already gonna give Johnny the body, so this is good to me.
So you can play cyberpunk after helping songbird that’s good to know
Man the moment she said it only cure one of them I just hand her over to reed, fuck it
Nah i never believed her anyway. Just liked her more than reed because she was relatable to V.
“Wouldn’t be alive if it wasn’t for you.”
Me too, i was willing to carry her to the moon if there were cure for us both but this... It was a real backstab. And killing reed for this? I mean if she were honest with me i could consider it. I think any choice we would make is betraying someone. Still reed didnt betray me and after ending he and victor is all who i got left
I mean you can hate on her choices as much as you want but V is not any better. V has killed and fucked up so many people in his pursuit to save himself. V and Song are more alike than you think, both willing to screw so many people over to save themselves.
@@drcheesecak3 i know V isn't any better when it comes to fucking up people but untill this expansion V didnt have to betray anyone that he cared about. I truly understand songbird and kinda got attached to her. Therefore i think she cant blame me if i betrayed her at the end. I wish i could be a person that would still help her after that, to break that cycle but i am not.
In that we can agree. I literally had to turn off the game at the end so I could just process what the fuck happened
“I knew I could trust you”
V: “Well how do you like it when I send you back to Reed when we were so close? How do you like me now?”
So V gets a pretty heartfelt message where So Mi looks like she's on death's door and his only reaction is 'mh'
Is this the only message that we can receive from Songbird after sending her to the moon?
Spoiler
No! She texts you to go to the place she used to hang out, the one in Dogtown with the fairy lights, she left you an implant. You can try to reply to her, but I didn't watch the full video on it to find out if she says anything else, wanna experience it myself
@ricozepplin no replies after that.
@@orkan6034 yeah, she can't. She is a no1 wanted person on the face of the Earth (and maybe even beyond), just her reaching out to you and sending you a reward is a huge risk for her. Sweet from her she actually cares to do that twice.
@@ricozepplinwhere is that tho i forgot
@@qtvjIt's in a heavily vegetated little outcrop in the eastern side of Dogtown, near to the basketball court where you meet Reed the first time. A bit North of it.
You'd think V would have learned their lesson on putting random shards in their head
Song was using blackwall from the moment she recruited you and guides V through the opening sequence of dogtown. Meyers knew of course the Song was an illegal weapon and so they both had to lose.
Honestly I feel on Johnny and takemura gave a damn about V. Vic and misty of course.
Plus witness or not, even Johnny calls takemura our ronin at one point.
V gunna get cyber-herpes slottin random shards she finds in alleys. Thats the second one at least.
Thanks 🥲
V freeing Songbird and sending her to the moon is reminiscent to David and Lucy. If only they played, I really want to stay at your house when he put her in the rocket.
yeah no that would’ve ruined it
i'm honestly glad they didn't since they're their own separate stories
That song wouldn't have fit that situation at all lmfao what
@@slamkam07 Just put Goldfrapp's Rocket at that point lmfao
Lmao the way he just says mmh 😂😂😂
I really hope helping her wasn't the equivalent of the South Park kids shooting a dying whale to the moon.
I like how V reacts like he's had an extra tasty sweet lol
People like V are why we have to tell people not to eat Tide pods.
Sure, just slot that right into your noggin, V. What's the worst that could happen?
This was the most human ending in the game
Well, if this thing exists, there might be something else to. But overall how on a world one stumbles on such, like you just run through all streets?
you did save Alex I did not need the cure when I did it gave reed songbird when back with the nomands ending that was the choice I made in this one
I did the nusa ending because its frankly the best ending for V, probably songbird too since shes almost a rogue A.I at this point (possesed i think).
I tried doing the moon ending but she was like "i lied to you V, the neural matrix only works once so i cant save you" i was just like: probably shouldn't have told me you're gonna betray me while i still can fuck you over. So yeah i sold her out again. You dont get to double cross me, ive already been betrayed and it cost me my life, not making the same mistake
I wish we could have a final Talk with her
Would've been nice if the PL characters gave V a call during the credits.
@@loserinasuit7880reed is the only one who does that in the main PL ending
@@TheAlmightyPrime I meant for taking down Arasaka
Poor, So Mi. She brought all of this upon herself and still betrayed everyone. Yet, why do I feel bad for her?
Cause shes great at manipulating people. There are people like that, and even when you see through them, realize they have been abusing you, you'll still miss em a decade later.
@@mac19999x then good thing I sided with Reed
I sided with reed then mercy killed songbird. I have no clue the extent to the abilities of the blackwall. To me it could just be the blackwall talking at the end and even if I gave her the cure, who's to say its the blackwall that gets control.
I also didn't want the NUSA to keep songbird to abuse their WMD.
Exactly, my boy, you get it. Too dangerous to be left alive. Now that she's actually shown her power to everyone, every single corp will be gunning for her because having a portable Blackwall conduit is too good to pass up. Better off freeing her of this torture.
@Dankmemeslover69 there's that and the fact that Mr. Blue eyes provided songbird with the space trip, meaning he has associates up there waiting.
@@waffle3632Im exactly with the both of you. That's literally the exact ending I picked. I empathized with both sides, but imo Songbird was the one who posed a greater large scale threat in the long run. She also spends quite a bit of time emotionally manipulating you throughout the dlc. At one point after you let her know a bunch of people will die for what shes about to do she says something along the lines of "they'll die for us" which threw me off. In the end I still felt she's been through a lot, and while I wanted to close the gateway to the blackwall, I also wanted to set her free. I also didn't feel bad for Reed, he was content with keeping her alive and suffering just so he could justify his actions to himself and pretend to be her "savior"
I sided with songbird, but understanding the game I agree that the killing of songbird is the best option as she might being played again by Mr. Blue eyes. We all know that corpo and govt always have the upper hand in NC. Additionally, I also agree that it might be the blackwall talking as I noticed during the escape that songbird changes her voice when talking to V.
"mmm"
she still not lookin' well..... THE EYES!!!😱 *creepy*
she trusts V but when V did she lied to him about the cure
Oh hey a chip buried in some who-knows-how-many-days-old takeout left baking in the sun on the street corner. Better jam this into my head. Wipe it first? pfft
was there actually ever explained why songbird doesnt have cyberpsychosis? i mean she looks like she is pretty heavily upgraded
Based on all the paths and endings, Songbird is dealing with her mind essentially being erased slowly by the blackwall, and something from beyond filling that void. As to what end, or what purpose, other than chaos...we don't really know.
Ofc Song is chromed up to the gills for being a netrunning badass, but her issues stem partially from being under the influence of people like Myers and Reed, partially from being so chromed up, but also her interactions with the BlackWall has other effects.
I don't think we're dealing with Cyberpsychosis so much of a threat as much as "she's slowly being taken over by Rogue AI". As to how effective and her present real status after sending her to the moon, honestly, I don't know. She's alive, and seemingly better than we left her on, but it could be "she's fine now", "the Blackwall/AI has taken her", or something else. There's still alot of missing pieces imo, or that I haven't seen that indicate what's her current stat.
From the "going with Reed" endings, the NUSA and their attempts at fixing her don't work, other than to preserve her life, and she's now essentially some drone/puppet for the NUSA and Myers to have Blackwall access. Clearly a terrible end.
As to what her use of the Cynosure and going to moon ended up getting for her, all i can say for certainty was that it was her choice, and she's alive. Past that, idk if anyone really knows.
Because the amount of Chrome you have actually had nothing to do with Cyberpyscosis
@@joshuameadows4922 the other guy actually explained it very well, but i can allready tell what you're saying is not true, the game says it, the anime does.
@@Ereshkigal616 thank you :)
@@cgusiec7039 Funny, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking info from the official Cyberpunk lore, and things that are alluded in the game as well. Anyone who uses the anime for reference is a moron.
Cyberpsycosis has way more to do with mental health than it does Chrome. Which is why some people can snap from a single implant, and some can become full on borgs before snapping. Or why some have insane amounts of chrome, and are perfectly OK. Or maybe why if you actually read the cyberpysco chips, you would realize that EVERY single last one was going through some rough shit before their attack. Many were also soldiers with PTSD.
Songbird went crazy due her meddling beyond the Blackwall, and was being corrupted by rouge Ai more and more everytime she tapped into it. Her chrome had nothing to do with it, she got the chrome because the Blackwall was killing her normal body.
Edit: BTW its also very clearly stated in the game that nobody actually knows what causes Cyberpsycosis
Songbird: I want to trust you…..
V: I sended you to fucking moon.. Still trust issues?!
I wish we could explicitly tell reed nah thanks after he says theres no way theyll save johnny and raid saka tower after rejecting nus cure
Why would NUSA help with raiding Arasaka? Seem like starting a fifth corp war, and for what? Just to help expendable merc who outlived his usefulness? Nah, the fact that they even left V alive in the new ending is a miracle. Dude knows too much to be left alive and yet they just let him go on his merry way, free to do with these secrets as he wishes. Very risky move on Myers part.
@@Dankmemeslover69 In her fucked up way I think Myers is an idealist who gives creedence to promises given to a comrade in arms, yeah shes a narcisist but she struck me as a complex character, and in the lore we see this too, how she undermines militech, anyway, I never wanted an nus backed tower assault I just wanted a piece of dialogue where V tells reed thx but no thx because the treatment would kill johnny.
You can't tell him no, but you can reject his offer by not calling him. When you go to the point of no return during "Who Wants To Live Forever", Johnny expresses his concerns that he'll die if NUSA removes the Relic, insisting you try another method first. From there, you have the option of calling Reed and taking his offer or going back to do other quests. As long as you don't call Reed there, you can then do the Nocturne mission and have the base game options, with the added option of calling Reed instead and getting the surgery. Most people just don't do that because it's kinda fucked up to give up Songbird and also reject the cure.
@@peaceflower8302thats what I did lol, I turned on song because I thought she went full psycho in the stadium when she said theyll die so we can live gleefully, I thought she was far too gone so I uploaded the virus, and I dont know why I just couldnt kill her at cynosure, so all I got was a shitty medal.
This is even more sad to watch if you hand her over to reed, luckily i saved her and shuttled her off
Wait how did yall continue i wasnt able to it just throw me to the main menu
might be in the minority here, but personally i didnt really like any ending. i get its not supposed to have a happy ending for anyone involved, but still, there's quite a few things that left me annoyed:
1. disappointed that mr. blue eyes was only briefly mentioned and didnt play a bigger role.
2. felt a bit too call of duty ish at the start with all the plain runnin and gunnin behind covers, but got better as the story progressed.
3. the fact it wont have a happy ending was "foreshadowed" throughout the entire dlc story (no matter what decision you take anywhere in your missions, it always seemed to go south for someone, like the 2 mercs that help you a bit and then "had been taken care of", basically every character in every side mission, reed, songbird, myers, depending on how you decided everything, V of course, the only one who apparently got what he wanted everywhere was mr. hands, not sure how to feel about that).
4. if the NUSA has the ability to cure V, then a whole lot of the story is actually kind of pointless. apparently the NUSA also knew that only one of them could be saved, so they could have just told V way earlier and lured him in.
5. they talk about the blackwall and songbirds breaching of it is so dangerous and all, yet she does it over and over again as well as V in the end, literally spamming black wall attacks at their enemies, yet nothing bad really happens to anyone because of it (not talking about the blackwalled dead soldiers, but more the aftermath), feels like the dlc should have some impact on the main game after completing it, which it kinda doesnt aside from one more depressing ending.
6. the fact that songbird just leaves V behind is just as sad as the coma ending where everyone else also left him behind (good friends btw, 2 years in a coma and they are all gone and nobody even ATTEMPTS to be there for him? the most frustrating one to me is judy, she cant help him because she is married and lives in pittsburgh? wtf? so your friend you went through with so much shit and just got out of a coma cant like visit you or something for some mental support? fucking judy.)
I get songbird is most likely the most wanted person in the NUSA but come on, you still cant contact V more? the seemingly best netrunner in the world? think about what kind of gig she pulled of in the DLC, fooling literally everyone, the entire cast of the DLC, but she cant find a work around to stay in contact with the guy that saved her life despite her lies?
7. the fact that misty knows that V will have it hard to find himself/herself in NC again with all the implants lost, being just a regular person, yet she doesnt invite him to come along with her? V is fucking depressed by the fact that he is useless now in this city and she knows the city is fucked up, that's why she leaves it, but she doesnt want V with her? your dead boyfriends best buddy just woke up from a coma and has lost everything (his aparment in the megabuilding and everything inside it as well, literally everything), but sure he manages, right? no help needed.
and yes, again, i get it, its not supposed to be a happily ever after, but for me it doesnt feel like "oh man, this really made me think, even if you try your hardest, it doesnt always work out for you", for me it feels more like "wow, the devs really wanted to drive home the feeling of complete unachievability of your goals and dreams with this one, huh?". i mean i enjoyed the DLC after the "intro" with the call of duty ish start, mr. hands was cool, the side missions were decent (though the car stealing thing for el capitan was boring af) but the endings kinda killed it for me.
6. Why would SoMi contact V? She was using V from the very beginning. V was never her friend, but a means to an end. Her friendship with V had served its purpose, meaning there is no reason for her to risk anything to stay in contact.
I just see it as a $20 cure ending.
will come too soon
I really enjoyed the game, just really sick of them shitting on my happiness. Like come on, we asked for a happy ending and you gave us loneliness and despair.
NOt gonna lie, after i sat through the end and she turned got bumped into and walked down the sidewalk like she was just another spec in a crowd.. fml that hit hard... all that work to just amount to nothing and start over... I deal with depression a bit as it is and I was like like fuck... i didn't need that perspective on life.
The new ending is as happy as it gets in this setting. V survived, won. Sure, he now has to live without crazy cyberware but with all his money, connections, knowledge, skills. Not to mention dude spent the last two years in a coma, the fact that he can even walk on the first day is very impressive. He'll get on his feet and do whatever your head canon is. Be a fixer, join nomads again, reunite with love interest, whatever.
I sent her to the moon and made her get treatment, I will probably make the end of Panam so I'm satisfied
Reed at least kept his promise and got V's back after not a single soul besides Vik and Misty.
Sure, two years went by, but some didn't even cared to answer the holo.
How were players supposed to find this naturally (without online videos showing them where)?
Where is this location for this shard from So-Mi?
am i the only one that thinks it looks like her eyes are gouged out?
To me it seems like a prerecorded message. Not sure what to think about that.
how on earth did you find this? :D are there any ingame clues that i might have missed?
That seems like the place where you meet her before the Killing Moon ride to the Airport/Translunar
Best ending is put Jonny with alt and go aldicados or mr.blue eyes. Second is going yourself with alt and letting Johnny get a second life.
Damn after reading everyone’s comments I feel like a real asswipe for sending her away with the NUSA and helping Reed. I was kind of butthurt she was lying the whole time so I had a feeling she would keep doing it so that’s why I did what I did 💀💀💀
Yeah... she only lied to you time and time again offering a cure to a illness thats killing you in a noticeably faster rate with every passing day. Why would you focus on your own well being rather than on the ones of the abuser? It doesnt make any sense.
The way I see it, songbird was doing the right thing for the wrong reason, and Reed was doing the wrong thing for the right reason. Reed is a good man, he has values that his loyalty to the end, and he did genuinely care about songbird. However, he ultimately wants to enslave songbird to the NUSA, and have her manipulate the black wall. Songbird is completely willing to manipulate and lie to people to achieve the ends that she wants. I sided with songbird, but considered handing her over to Reed after I found out, she betrayed me. I couldn’t do it though because I had killed so many people to get her on that rocket. Plus, I couldn’t send her to back the government
Huh. Hmm.
my favourite game with endings based on how you play the game was mass effect.
i never see this
V should know better to stop putting random shards into his brain :)
What I really like about the DLC is that all main characters involved have their own fleshed-out motivations that you get squished in to, unlike the main game where I didn't really give two shits about what any faction wanted.
May not be a happy ending for V but at least So Mi got a shot at it, and Reed finally got his peaceful retirement.
I feel like this DLC is way better written than the main game. Not just the main story characters, even every side quest has a twist that leaves you in a moral dilemma, everyone has his motivations. Can't remember that this was the case for the main game as well. So damn well written.
One of the main problems with factions in the base game is that we barely get any personal interactions with neither. Sure, we have Panam for nomads, Takemura for Arasaka, brief interaction with Meredith for Militech. But none for Tiger Claws, Sixth Street, Maelstrom, Valentinos. We do meet occasional character for each, like Brick but none make us truly invested into their lives not do they make their respective factions seem like anything other than immoral cunts.
@@Dankmemeslover69Wow you're telling me the gangs are immoral? Stop the presses.
Dumbest merc in Night City, sticking random shards into his head - using strangers BD's. Without plot armor v would be as dead before the heist and without the relic he would be dead a dozen times over.
The relic doesn't work like that buddy
So V basically destroyed his life, fucked himself even more than he/she already is, by getting on the bad side of the NUSA, killed Reed who seemed more like a bro than songbird, just to save someone who was ready to sacrifice dozens of civilians just to save herself, someone who betrayed V and instead of lying about a cure, could have hired V as a merc to help out, someone who guilt tripped V and tried to play the sympathy card?
And as a thank you she records a video and gives you a bit of loot? Thats just low 💀
The NUSA is corrupt to the point it's just another corp. Myers is just the other side of the Arasaka/Corpo coin that bleeds every innocent person dry.
Reed, despite being likeable, is a guy who's blinded himself to how he's trapped the people he cares about in NUSA cages, even causing their deaths (Alex and So Mi). Helping him condemns him to a life of a used tool, who will live with the regret of what he's sacrificed as the only one left standing.
Songbird just wanted to be free, the people she was told to trust broke and caged her (Myers especially) she has every reason to be so desperate, as only V could relate. She never played the sympathy card, she simply begged for help from the only person who had the power to, despite how she lied to V and manipulated - as Reed and the NUSA taught her to.
Freeing Songbird helps the AIs take over, which further helps V in the (don't) fear the Reaper. Which is one step towards saving the world from the Corpos across the planet (examples we see at the Black Sapphire).
Everything in the Cyberpunk world is low. Ultimately the best choice is to pick your poison wisely, because no matter what you do - it's gonna cost.
@@MrCreativentWait, what? How does helping Songbird help the AIs?
@@GalahadTheSeekerit doesn't lol, look like someone didn't even understand what the cure was.
Songbird: Gives relic skill tree and Quantum Tuner (perfect on different builds)
Myers: Gives medal. (Possibly the Blackwall techs IF you didn't missed it.) and gives V the ending he/she's scared off, being a nobody, being a face on the crowd.
@@GalahadTheSeekerbecause she ends up with me blue eyes it hints
I thing that even I forgot is how much of a baby Panam is. Don’t get me wrong, I adore her, always gonna wish CDPR had made her Bi so I could romance her with my femV. But Panam doesn’t deal with negative emotions well: she gets fussy, she screams and shouts and regardless of what you say to her, she always does what she wants to do. She’s headstrong and immature and this is the first time we’ve been on the receiving end of Panam’s fury. A mature person would understand V had no choice but Panam isn’t mature. She cares a lot, loves deeply but she’s still a massive pouty baby and I can’t hate her for the things I loved about her
So what this means the moon surgery ended up being a success?
I don’t care songbird backstab V I care that she is free away from this evils she good person and kind heart but I wish CDPR can give us romance with songbird or Alex
DLC is ultimately about empathy. You play as a ruthless merc who's out to save themselves from death. As V, we con, kill, and are responsible for carnage amongst the city. Songbird creates just as much to save herself. When she told me she betrayed me too it felt more like she's telling you how much she cares about you, V. She only ever used the terminology when referring to Reed. She didn't trust Reed but she trusted V. There's a fucked up sweetness to her arc.
@mbovb006 I mean it obviously depends on how YOU play, but considering how the majority of people are in Night City, I wouldn't call V "ruthless" they definitely seem to be more kind and understanding than most. Unless you just choose the "be a dick" dialouge every time 😂
@@joshuameadows4922 Man are you murdering people for money? Stealing, killing, carjacking, and trying to beat out titles of dickheads like Adam Smasher? If you think that shit is normal I am concerned lol. Even if you pick the happiest ending with a love interest - you get countless Nomads who were only trying to help you killed. You're never a 'good guy or girl' as V. You're always selfish. It's literally the story of the game. Self preservation. You just pick options you think are right in the scenario.
Her "plan" killed dozens of people. She's not good.
she’s not free at all when she said “i was right too” she was right about being a lab rat in space for mr blue eyes being tested on and put through gruesome tests