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Huberman's Low Back Pain Advice is TERRIBLE (pt. 2)
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
- Andrew Huberman tried to give advice about low back pain. It was terrible. We debunked Huberman Lab's low back pain protocol episode to save you the trouble of watching it.
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If you have low back pain, disc degeneration, disc herniations, disc bulges, SI Joint Pain, or sciatica, you need to understand the evidence about how to heal, and what to avoid.
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Unfortunately the treatment and exercise advice Huberman gives for low back pain and sciatica are not evidence based. He relies on outdated myths, so we mythbusted and fact-checked his horrible low back pain advice.
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This episode debunks the McGill Big Three exercises for low back pain and sciatica, from Dr. Stu McGill, and discusses the best physical therapy exercises for back pain and sciatica.
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✅ Watch the MASTERCLASS on Low Back Pain & Sciatica.
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⚠️ THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE! CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE ENGAGING IN EXERCISE. Do not attempt to self-diagnose or treat. If you engage in this exercise or exercise program, you agree that you do so at your own risk, are voluntarily participating in these activities, assume all risk of injury to yourself. This content is purely for educational purposes.
My opinion is that when you herniate your disc pain is actually guiding your movement. Same as when you place your hand above fire offcourse when ylu feel pain sensation ylu are going to move your hand. So spine hyegine what Mcgill is proposing is natural way of avoiding pain when in acute pain. But after when you start feeling better more movement is allowed and should be used not to be afraid. That is way many people have good results afyer reading Sarno's book. Once they get rid of fear of movement they get rid of pain. So I think follow Mcgill method for a month max after injury and then relax, stop thinking about your disc, stop searching on internet, pain is your natural guidance anyways what you can do at certain time ect, almost similar to dealing with anxiety. Less overthinking
Thank you great podcast how would I know to do flexion or extension I have two herniations and two bulging discs been experiencing burning and tightness for 6 months I haven't bent forward many months
I see that your a doctor of Chiropractic. What are your thoughts on the ring dinger and it's effectiveness for back issues? Can it be helpful or harmful or does it depend on the individual and the issues they are having? Would like to hear your perspective. Also do you still do adjustments still or do you mainly focus on movement based exercises or both?
Hey! The ring dinger makes most of us very angry. It's wreckless, and being used to exploit patients for views. Even the chiros I know who are really into giving adjustments absolutely hate those guys and the technique. It's extreme. Personally I rarely see patients in person, because even my local patients work with me more through a hybrid model where I write their exercise, stress reduction, nutrition, and sleep programs in an app, do video calls, chat support, and give them a deep-dive educational course. Yes, I do adjust patients, but it's just a cherry on top for locals. Not necessary, just nice.
My Chiropractor agrees with you. It helps having a Doctor who has lived through a problem similar to my own. @@ShapeshiftWellness
My take from this video is to get rid of the fear and just exercise to get better and take care of yourself,
Do not limit yourself to certain movements
Bingo! Yea the whole idea of him taking a 2hr podcast to give "protocols" but really he just gives a set of specific exercises, is ridiculous. What people actually need protocols on is how to know the difference between "safe pain" and "unsafe pain," and to know how to choose exercises that are challenging but not impossible, that don't lead to a flare up... Oh - and to know when something has gotten too easy, and it's time to progress. These are principles that truly matter.
Can you do a video on scoliosis if you haven’t already touched on it?
Love the content mate
I think that’s a great idea
It's in the queue!
i've had back pain for almost a year. did MRI. they said i have degenerative disc disease and bulging disk. got a steroid injection. it did nothing. i've tried exercising and it doesn't seem to work. any suggestions?
This is a really common story. Have you watched the masterclass yet? www.shapeshiftwellness.com/LBP-masterclass
Thanks for your podcast. I am just wondering if you had any clients with spondy, herniated discs and sciatica in both legs who started doing bending and twisting? It seems to be impossible now even to think of it because a lot of pain.
Yep, I always get clients bending eventually, but sometimes we have to take it REALLY slow.
@@ShapeshiftWellness Thanks, it gives some hope. Love your new series about pain, it really important to aware
Whats your view about running in regards disks health? Do you have any video about it? Any difference between short/long distances? Thanks!
@@TheGarethsadow Most research on running and joint health shows that we want to find a recreational amount of running for the best health of our joints. Avoiding running might actually lead to worse joint health. Likewise, being ultra-competitive and running extreme amounts (off the top of my head I think we're talking 50-60+ miles/week long term) also leads to worse joint health and accelerated degeneration. So recreational running seems to be great, as long as we ease into it while respecting symptoms.
I'm not really sure what the dynamic disc model exactly means, but the idea that the disc just slips out is of course wrong. But how exactly do discs behave during flexion, extension and lateral flexion? When some areas of the vertebrae move closer to each in during movement then obviously the disc between has to experience more pressure, no? But then other areas of vertebrae move apart from each other so the total pressure doesn't change all that much, right? Or am I missing some unique cartilage properties?
Yes of course there's movement, but it's not as predictable as we used to think. Bottom line it that discs are not like water balloons, and we can't just demonize a certain direction of movement.
You did a great job of balancing criticism and agreement. I liked the point about this being a failing grade in any college class.
I mean come on, at least do well enough to pass your own classes 🤦
Man my backs been killing me for the past week. Sciatica symptoms with not too much pain but stiffness and dull pain in the back that’s switches from side to side. Anyone else having a similar issue? Let’s see if this video helps.
I hope it helped!
Hey Mate love your content!! Got a herniated disc and suffer from sciatica since 4 months. it was really bad but now it got much better. the radiation down to my calf is almost gone and the pain is now more centered which i heard is a good thing. the pain is now in my lower back and goes down into my butt at most after long sitting or getting up in the morning. i tried may things during this time like hanging from the bar the raising dog position several times a day but at the end i figured what made it better was doing non of this and just stay active, lots of walking keep exercising etc.. It almost felt if the other stuff made it worse. however now i wonder since it moved into the center is that a sign that i need to maybe start doing these things to get into the next stage and eventually get rid of it completely or should i just keep doing what im doing and hoping for it to go away completely. Would appreciate your advice! Thanks in advance! Keep it up!
Hey what exercises you were doing??? That helped the pain to centralized
@@Startstar-u7b just walked for an hour everyday on treadmill, core exercises (plank, side plank, bug thingy(not sure what it’s called), kept exercising minus squats and deadlift, changed my mattress to a quite hard one, made sure I always sit very straight with an arch in my back and just avoided alcohol smoking and foods that don’t help getting rid of inflammations.
@@Nounou77hh is it safe to do planks and side planks with disc bulge
Actually I have been in pain since last September and unknowingly hurted it in October and from then till now I am in pain i have been doing exercises since January sometimes pain reduces and then it increases. Right now it's hurting so much , fuck what did i do to ever get this.
@@Startstar-u7b yes
Hi Anthony, quick question; is mewing just a bullshit or does it really help with something?
Yes that basically does nothing. Don’t worry about it. There are WAY more important things to focus on 🙌
You and Charlie Johnson really are the best back pain and sciatica experts I know of. Thanks for helping people!
Thanks a ton! My team and I work really hard to cite our sources and be completely evidence based!
Could you please make a video on flare ups ?
Yep it's in the queue! Make sure to subscribe for notifications when it comes out!
I'm glad you at least agree that exercise is the #1 most important treatment for back pain. The hard part is figuring out which exercises will work best since everyone has different physiology and pain triggers. You have to piece everything together from many resources. Even research is often conflicting.
Bingo. The main issue I have with Huberman's review, and with most back pain channels is they give off the impression that the solution to chronic pain is just ONE exercise away! That you just need to find that ONE magic exercise and everything will be fine! Real rehab is trial and error, and it's slow and steady. It's also very multifactorial so although exercise is king, we also need to manage other lifestyle factors.
Straight to the point and no blabla like some, who pretend to know better guys , are doing…
Probably going to schedule a 1:1 soon. You’re really good at helping relieve fear and I’m struggling bad with that. I’m not even in pain and the surgeon told me my reherniation isn’t bad enough for a second surgery so I shouldn’t be stressed and fearful but it’s been so difficult to not be. God bless you man. For real.
I'm really happy the videos have helped! Sounds like you already watched the masterclass, so if you want more 1:1 support, you know how to book it! I'm here to help!
Where is your advice/videos on helping specific back pain that feels like nerve impingement? I understand you explain downfalls of other drs but where is your advice to help us?
This video should help: Disc Herniation Recovery Time - How Long To Heal LOW BACK PAIN & SCIATICA?
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Getting a surgery for joints almost always get you worse. This is how crazy it is about the medical industry. The fact that getting a diagnosis from a proper physician and an MRI, actually make you far more likely to experience worse results..... and getting a surgery makes that much worse.... That's a very big red flag for the medical industry. That's part of the reason why people go to alternatives.
Tell me about it. The system is terrible for chronic pain.
I thought maybe at times you were picking on Huberman too much in part 1. But in part 2, what you said are absolutely true and in line with my personal experience. I had back pain for years and all the doctors, sports and pain specialist doctors, physiotherapists, chiropractors, chinese medicine doctors, chinese massage therapists, Western stretch therapists. etc, overall at least 20 different professionals, didn't do much. Some of the massage therapists gave me the most relief.
But at the end of the day, working on the joints at their comfort levels, ie regressions of strength training was the most effective method. Fascia release, either by a therapist or a hard enough and small enough wooden massage ball (none of that lacross or tennis ball soft stuff) were good at releasing the tension and allow more range of motion for me to work on (mostly temporary if you don't bring awareness t the ROM and exercise the range). Then working on the range (especially the stretched position) of alll the muscles around the hip by PNF, active stretches, awareness based movements, isometric, weighted stretches, etc. And do them in both isolation and as a group. Involving the hip together, and then the whole body together. It's only when I managed to gain the strength and stability, the pain slowly subsided. And it was a lot of work. I had to work my hip flexors, QL, TFL, hamstrings, abductors and adductors, the lower spinal errectors, the core, the diaphragm, the whole spine, the shoulder joints, the lower legs and the feet, etc, individually and then as groups. It's been a very long and tough but rewarding journey.
So I totally agree with what you say in this video and I wish access to actual knowledgeable professionals like you are more readily available. Most doctors and heathcare professionals only care if you can walk or move in my city. They don't understand people like me who wants more, who want an actual athletic body that can be strong and agile and do sports.
And I also can't believe Huberman bought into this bullshit of bracing your core and stuff for lower back pain... But then again, he has had podcasts episodes which I strongly disagree with before. He also invited some very suspect guests like AXXlean-X. So.... well I guess we should all do our own research.
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Isn't that incredible? Discs do some weird things sometimes, contrary to popular belief.
Yes! “A hole in the disk” statement is enough to unPHD Huberman, I guess 🧐
Lol can we take his degree back?😂
@@ShapeshiftWellness While at Berkeley, Huberman originally approached Carla J. Shatz to serve as his doctoral advisor; however, she declined the offer, concerned that he had a limited background in molecular and cellular biology! We know now Huberman has limited knowledge of anatomy/physiology as well. It seems he does not deserve his PhD & it has to be revoked 🤷♀️
I've seen your videos, Andrew H. Podcasts too... I respect both of you, you're doing a great job. But I disagree with the title of this video, even you demostrate it. Im not a doctor, but I've always heard about is not "good" say another doctor is in a mistake or wrong. Whatever, thanks again for the video... both of you are being really helpful for me in the crisis Im living right now.
I'm glad this video helped! I stand by the title and content. Much of what Huberman says is factually incorrect, or just out-of-date and promotes harmful narratives. If you watch part 1, he doesn't even get basic anatomy right. I think it's vital to hold other professionals accountable for their mistakes and inaccuracies.
It’s also worth pointing out that Huberman has a PhD. He is a doctor, but he isn’t a healthcare provider. Back pain is also way outside his area of expertise. But I’m glad his content has helped you.
Yoy can give criticism, but when you make it luck funny and situbid, it means you need more knowledge
Tell that to Bill Nye and Hank Green. Education should be fun. Also, Huberman doesn’t cite a single piece of research; clearly he’s the one lacking in knowledge.
I was going to listen to this dude until I saw his ear self-mutilation and realized he struggles with critical thinking and making responsible choices. Pass
Why is judgement, they are just earrings
Sheesh, why not simply focus on your expertise instead of nitpicking other people’s stuff?
That’s what the vast majority of the videos on this channel are.