Because she's pragmatic about things. Sure it's Shar's curse but she realises that without Isobel's protection of the inn, things are just unnecessarily harder for your group. She might enjoy some protection form the curse but the rest don't and she knows she needs them
ACT 1 Dark urge: I dont know whats going on, but i have these twisted urges to do things to people. Companions: Oh haha dont we all? ACT 2 companions: HOW COULD YOU DO THAT?! Dark Urge: for fucks sake...
If you don't want your party screeming at you for this glorious act of blood letting, it's real simple. Kill Wyll, Behead Karlach, Dehand Gale. Save Minthara, promote Shadowheart, Dominate Laezel and laugh along with Astarion. Remember, Always give in to the dark urge.
I like how Isobel is open to the possibility of you redeeming yourself, even after you confess to her face that you want to tear her guts and and use her intestines as sponges. And even after you say you won't act upon your urges, the option for "I WILL FCKIN DO IT NOW" is always open.
I feel sad I was robbed of the conflict, but I stumbled on a way to keep your party mostly happy and kill her. I completed Nightsong's Dark Justicier mission for evil and I guess the result was that the city falls and Isobel dies to the shadows. The Butler is still pleased and gives me the new form, and the party only grimmaces about the new form but doesn't scream at you for murder like this video. So I guess you can win this mission via butterfly effect in a manner which the party doesnt blame you for it.
can you loot her armor? ok little update for people who are looking to get her armor there is no need to kill her you can loot her armor in the wardrobe in her room, the wardrobe it's on the left from the entrance of the room.
Wow, this did not play out like this for me at all. I didn't get the visit from the little devil until I was approaching to attack Moonrise. I didn't really have an opportunity to kill her. Now that it's all over, she's standing next to The Nightsong. No way they'll let me kill her now. UGH!
Well you get an opportunity to a) Kill her when she gets abducted by Marcus b) Kill her while collaborating with Marcus c) Kill her afterwards by simply attacking her d) (haven't tested myself, but) kill her when she stands with General Thorm against you at the end of act 2.
Because losing a safe place to rest, allies and just generally making things harder for yourself is a tad inconvenient and Shart is a very pragmatic and practical person
Thats part of the storytelling where both parts split very heavily till that she is deeply conflicted and has deep doubts and also is not rly evil, after killing nightsong she is fully in the hands of shar. With killing nightsong she also kills herself deep down and the doubts, and surrenders all to shar.
Dark urge reminds me of a campaign I did in pathfinder. My tiefling ended up becoming the envoy for a crown that caused untold levels of chaos. By the end a tiefling monk was a Fiend-wereboar, who ate even his own party members, and caused insanity and chaos for sheer laughs, as well as a trail of bodies
safest method is to use Invisible (spell or potion). Then use high damage move such as Flourish Range, and kill Isobel in 1 move. No one will agrro, and you can recruit Jaheira
@@raphezar2049 like it's fine if you're doing a non resist Durge run but it is nowhere near worth losing the content and gear you miss out on by losing the inn people on a normal run
Shadowheart's dialogue in response seems off considering the shadows are of Shar's doing... unless of course, she had already spared the one who is part of her quest (trying to not give huge spoilers here) so her, both lamenting over the death of a Selunite cleric and being mad for you letting Shar's shadows do their work seems to be inconsistent writing to me...
Shar is twisted and capricious by nature, but often does not appreciate the direct approach or being unsubtle. Murdering the cleric and then watching your allies (and resources to fulfilling a larger mission) vanish all on a whim seems very much against her way of doing things. Moreover Shadowheart herself is contradictory, like most actual people, and will often say or act in opposition to their supposed views. This being one example among many.
@@Tyrantofthewind I suppose that's one way to justify it... Considering the MC did it in a room by themselves, without the other party members present, and successfully lied about it (thus keep it a secret... Shar's forte I might add) also makes the reactions of the rest of the party out of place. As an aside, Shar can be VERY straightforward when she needs to be, as several learned during the First Sundering, if I recall my lore correctly.
Also, as I think on it, the method in which Shadowheart and others are tasked with to earn the mantle of Dark Justiciar is about as straightforward as it gets when it comes to the final test. The other tests definitely touched on other more subtle ways and measures, but the final one is as brutal and unsubtle as it gets.
Sharrans only know as much as they need to know for their purpose, rest is lies. And shadow isnt rly that evil so she disslikes stuff like that. Its all part of her story telling of the kidnapped conflicted kid, woman.And she already has doubts befor that scene, so i think the reaction is written good. If u still dont know.
So you can be playing as Dark Urge doing evil things and Wyll won't leave your party ? I wanted to start my 2nd playthrough as dark urge and use wyll as a companion but didn't know its possible.
He's a pretty complicated character, when you speak to him about your urge or bad things you do ingame, his take isn't so straightforward like his persona would have you believe. He will not leave, and a lot of what I said is the reason he's a warlock, he's engaged in deals with devils and something happens to him if you keep Karlach alive. He really has no room to judge, you even talk about this ingame.
@myceli Yep he's more a neutral good character on average short of destroying druids Grove not much he won't be down for stocking around for from what I've seen.
Interesting. I just finished encountering Isobel, and I am playing Dark Urge (but as "Lawful Good" as I can because Drama 😅) It was curious that I didn't take a long rest after getting to the Inn, and, try as I might, I couldn't save Isobel when the Flaming Fist came for her, but the game acted like I had been the one to kill her anyway. Doesn't matter; I Saved Scummed, went back and kept her alive, and got that encounter with the 'Butler' with that night's long rest (but decided to see what the full effects of her dying would be).
You don't even need to loose Jaheira. I killed Marcus first, then all the flying monsters and Isobel last (there was still a cutscene where her body is taken by one of those flying ghouls despite all of them being dead). After that, you can flat out tell Jaheira you did it because you love watching people die or you can pass some persuasion checks. You'll get into fight, because everyone in the inn will turn into undead - if you manage to keep Jaheira alive, you can still tell her to meet you in your camp and she'll join you. Alternatively, you can also admit that you wanted to see everyone die. Dark Urge honestly has some amazing dialogue options.
I did it immediately after. Just don't talk to anyone in the throne room close the door and murder her. nobody was even mad even though the merchant saw me do it.
Honestly am still deliberating whether to kill Isobel or my companion with my Durge route. , really want the slayer form. Also what would happen if you decide to kill Isobel after freeing Nightsong cause all the Harper's would be attacking moonrise by then, also wonder how it would go for you to give in fully to the dark urge only to reject Baal at the very end.
Yo I kill Isobel after releasing nightsong thinking that the whole town would not be killed by the shadow because nightsong purified the whole land and only have to kill Isobel. However the result is the same. The town people still either died or fight us. So disappointed.
I send my compelete party away, cuz my Dark Urge Monk was a monster already who could easily kill 5 enemies in one turn on max difficulty...so to be honest, I didn't used the Slayer very often just twice and more to have him used then that I needed him..
Yo I know you made this comment 2 months ago but help a brother out, do you remember if you lost favour with any of your companions still? Also, I'm going as a monkbarian multiclass. Only 3 levels into barb for the frenzy subclass though, so it's still mostly monk. Any advice on how you killed her alone as a monk?
You can get a moon lantern from either the harper ambush (idk if it works without the harpers) or in a certain room at moonrise. If you’re unable to wander around the map because of the curse, shadowheart is immune to the curse, so you can use her to get the waypoints
@@himanshusatwick7434 nah man, i tried everything. If you kill him, one of his summons takes her. and even if you kill all of them, isobel still gets taken away by one, which apparently hid somewhere.
@@SperberMeister ya gotta keep dropping heal attacks on her. I used two Druids (Owlbear forms), Karlach, and Shadowheart to save her lol. I then saved and killed her, only to find the Last Inn overrun by shadows. It's a bit of work lol.
The way I did included some thinking outside the box. You can actually complete the entirety of Act 2 without ever stepping inside Last Light Inn, Jaheira even has some unique voicelines in the moonrise towers if you did that. What you have to do is : Find the Drider Patrol somewhere in the map, kill them all and free the pixie in the lantern. She will give you a blessing similar to Selune's blessing that will allow you to explore freely of the curse. That means you can do the entirety of the map content before the abduction (I did it in 1 day, can't confirm if her abduction is a timed event). You can powerlevel you character to lvl 9 or 10 if you clear the entirety of moonrise towers (you can shove guards off the cliffs). I don't recommend skipping the inn though, you get a lot of approval farming in it, plus 2 traders and some quest info. Just don't interact with Isobel, clear the map and cheese the fight with your OP characters (also keep in mind Isobel doesn't need to be reduced to 0 hp for the abduction to occur, the winged horrors have paralysing attacks and if she gets the ailment and an enemy touches her again, you fail the defense).
I killed her every single time in my 3 playthroughs. Annoying af character and on the same level as karlach (which i always behead when i first meet her) in terms of this "marvels avenger" quirky crap.
Shart screaming at you despite the fact its her goddess’ curse that kills them
She does comment that this must be a twisted interpretation of Shar’s will when observing the curse
Because she's pragmatic about things. Sure it's Shar's curse but she realises that without Isobel's protection of the inn, things are just unnecessarily harder for your group. She might enjoy some protection form the curse but the rest don't and she knows she needs them
BG3 doesn’t have that good of writing to even consider that methinks.
There's a difference between hating a Goddess and hating a Cleric which just so happens to believe in that Goddess.
ACT 1 Dark urge: I dont know whats going on, but i have these twisted urges to do things to people. Companions: Oh haha dont we all? ACT 2 companions: HOW COULD YOU DO THAT?! Dark Urge: for fucks sake...
"WE THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST BEING QUIRKY!!"
"Mother fucker i KILLED THE BARD! Quirky?!"@@ennieminymoo6675
Same lol im like guys the first thing i said to you is that my head is full of voices screaming murder
Meanwhile Astarion and Minthara are the only ones who take you seriously when you tell them.
If you don't want your party screeming at you for this glorious act of blood letting, it's real simple. Kill Wyll, Behead Karlach, Dehand Gale. Save Minthara, promote Shadowheart, Dominate Laezel and laugh along with Astarion. Remember, Always give in to the dark urge.
you're just like me fr
Very based and black pilled take.
very chad playthrough
Yup i did just that in my first playthrough so satisfying
Based and Urge pilled
If Karlach is still alive by this point… You’re Dark Urging wrong. 😂
Exactly. Thank you.
Nah way more fun to Palpatine it, convince everyone your cool then backstab all of them at the very end of the game
I like how Isobel is open to the possibility of you redeeming yourself, even after you confess to her face that you want to tear her guts and and use her intestines as sponges.
And even after you say you won't act upon your urges, the option for "I WILL FCKIN DO IT NOW" is always open.
I know the eyes of a killer. Then immediately dies 😂
arya "isobel" stark
You only get to make that mistake once LOL.
I absolutely love the facial expressions they do for the dragonborn.
There’s so much little movement that makes it seem so alive with its musings.
I feel sad I was robbed of the conflict, but I stumbled on a way to keep your party mostly happy and kill her. I completed Nightsong's Dark Justicier mission for evil and I guess the result was that the city falls and Isobel dies to the shadows. The Butler is still pleased and gives me the new form, and the party only grimmaces about the new form but doesn't scream at you for murder like this video. So I guess you can win this mission via butterfly effect in a manner which the party doesnt blame you for it.
More like elephant effect since you crushed everything and just killed her as a side effect.
Literally just did that and came here looking for an explanation lol. This game is unpredictable and I love it!
I am so happy I found this comment. I hope this still works because this would be perfect for me
"wax your hide and brush your spines," WHAT???? i'm not letting u anywhere NEAR my hide, buddy
can you loot her armor?
ok little update for people who are looking to get her armor there is no need to kill her you can loot her armor in the wardrobe in her room, the wardrobe it's on the left from the entrance of the room.
flying horror takes away Isobel's body, watch the video again.
Also in the graveyard of the mausoleum at the entrance
You get purple better version of her armor if you kill her too
the robes in her room are regular and unenchanted. you only get isobel's unique robes when you find her body later
You can, after you beat Ketheric. It's a pretty sweet robe that gets replaced once you get to act 3.
Wow, this did not play out like this for me at all. I didn't get the visit from the little devil until I was approaching to attack Moonrise. I didn't really have an opportunity to kill her. Now that it's all over, she's standing next to The Nightsong. No way they'll let me kill her now. UGH!
Well you get an opportunity to
a) Kill her when she gets abducted by Marcus
b) Kill her while collaborating with Marcus
c) Kill her afterwards by simply attacking her
d) (haven't tested myself, but) kill her when she stands with General Thorm against you at the end of act 2.
Possibly not long resting enough.
God, and I thought the game was fucked up enough when you're the GOOD guy.
Uh question, why does Shadowheart care? It was a Selunite cleric and they all met the "love" of Shar.
Because losing a safe place to rest, allies and just generally making things harder for yourself is a tad inconvenient and Shart is a very pragmatic and practical person
meanwhile if you let SH kill nightsong and tell her that because of it everyone in the inn is dead now she wont care at all
Thats part of the storytelling where both parts split very heavily till that she is deeply conflicted and has deep doubts and also is not rly evil, after killing nightsong she is fully in the hands of shar. With killing nightsong she also kills herself deep down and the doubts, and surrenders all to shar.
Dark urge reminds me of a campaign I did in pathfinder. My tiefling ended up becoming the envoy for a crown that caused untold levels of chaos. By the end a tiefling monk was a Fiend-wereboar, who ate even his own party members, and caused insanity and chaos for sheer laughs, as well as a trail of bodies
safest method is to use Invisible (spell or potion). Then use high damage move such as Flourish Range, and kill Isobel in 1 move. No one will agrro, and you can recruit Jaheira
So after this, you could still go kill the Nightsong with Shadowheart?
It's honestly worth destroying the inn. The Slayer is really good especially with the big health increase at level 10. Embrace your urge!
It's mid dawg
@@raphezar2049 like it's fine if you're doing a non resist Durge run but it is nowhere near worth losing the content and gear you miss out on by losing the inn people on a normal run
Shouldn’t SH be happy you killed the moon witch’s daughter’s lover?
Shadowheart's dialogue in response seems off considering the shadows are of Shar's doing... unless of course, she had already spared the one who is part of her quest (trying to not give huge spoilers here) so her, both lamenting over the death of a Selunite cleric and being mad for you letting Shar's shadows do their work seems to be inconsistent writing to me...
Shar is twisted and capricious by nature, but often does not appreciate the direct approach or being unsubtle. Murdering the cleric and then watching your allies (and resources to fulfilling a larger mission) vanish all on a whim seems very much against her way of doing things.
Moreover Shadowheart herself is contradictory, like most actual people, and will often say or act in opposition to their supposed views. This being one example among many.
@@Tyrantofthewind I suppose that's one way to justify it...
Considering the MC did it in a room by themselves, without the other party members present, and successfully lied about it (thus keep it a secret... Shar's forte I might add) also makes the reactions of the rest of the party out of place. As an aside, Shar can be VERY straightforward when she needs to be, as several learned during the First Sundering, if I recall my lore correctly.
Also, as I think on it, the method in which Shadowheart and others are tasked with to earn the mantle of Dark Justiciar is about as straightforward as it gets when it comes to the final test. The other tests definitely touched on other more subtle ways and measures, but the final one is as brutal and unsubtle as it gets.
Sharrans only know as much as they need to know for their purpose, rest is lies. And shadow isnt rly that evil so she disslikes stuff like that. Its all part of her story telling of the kidnapped conflicted kid, woman.And she already has doubts befor that scene, so i think the reaction is written good. If u still dont know.
I kinda like Isobel but I like my companions more. "We're killing strangers so we don't kill the ones that we love" - Marilyn Manson
So you can be playing as Dark Urge doing evil things and Wyll won't leave your party ? I wanted to start my 2nd playthrough as dark urge and use wyll as a companion but didn't know its possible.
He's a pretty complicated character, when you speak to him about your urge or bad things you do ingame, his take isn't so straightforward like his persona would have you believe.
He will not leave, and a lot of what I said is the reason he's a warlock, he's engaged in deals with devils and something happens to him if you keep Karlach alive. He really has no room to judge, you even talk about this ingame.
@myceli Yep he's more a neutral good character on average short of destroying druids Grove not much he won't be down for stocking around for from what I've seen.
Why do you want the most lawful good character by your side in an evil playthrough?
@@wile123456funny question, either they like the character or they like the reaction of a good character to an evil one, more spicy and so on.
My favorite thing is to save wyll, bring him onto the Nautiloid, then kill Mazura in front of him.
PSA: You can kill her at camp after the climax of Act 2, use invisibility and get as far from Aylin as possible and she'll give up after two turns.
Interesting.
I just finished encountering Isobel, and I am playing Dark Urge (but as "Lawful Good" as I can because Drama 😅)
It was curious that I didn't take a long rest after getting to the Inn, and, try as I might, I couldn't save Isobel when the Flaming Fist came for her, but the game acted like I had been the one to kill her anyway.
Doesn't matter; I Saved Scummed, went back and kept her alive, and got that encounter with the 'Butler' with that night's long rest (but decided to see what the full effects of her dying would be).
Do you lose any companions if you do this (aside from potentially Jaheira because obviously), or do you just lose a lot of approval points?
You don't even need to loose Jaheira. I killed Marcus first, then all the flying monsters and Isobel last (there was still a cutscene where her body is taken by one of those flying ghouls despite all of them being dead). After that, you can flat out tell Jaheira you did it because you love watching people die or you can pass some persuasion checks. You'll get into fight, because everyone in the inn will turn into undead - if you manage to keep Jaheira alive, you can still tell her to meet you in your camp and she'll join you. Alternatively, you can also admit that you wanted to see everyone die. Dark Urge honestly has some amazing dialogue options.
No I just told her worry about our enemies and sent her to the camp
I for the life of me cannot survive the shadow ambush afterwards
Shadowheart has alot of nerve. Literally deciding a whole new playthrough because of her silly obsession.
Can you still kill her after Ketheric got killed and she is in your camp?
I did it immediately after. Just don't talk to anyone in the throne room close the door and murder her. nobody was even mad even though the merchant saw me do it.
But the questions we all want have answered are did you bite off her toe? And if she had a squirrel, did you kill it too?
I guess this is an eviction notice
And what if I have knocked her out and that other dude took her? I fail the whole dark urge quest chain?
The censoring 😭🤣
Isobel and I got into a lil spat a hahaha dark ugre is so funny
Censored the dragon born like there’s anything under there
Honestly am still deliberating whether to kill Isobel or my companion with my Durge route.
, really want the slayer form.
Also what would happen if you decide to kill Isobel after freeing Nightsong cause all the Harper's would be attacking moonrise by then, also wonder how it would go for you to give in fully to the dark urge only to reject Baal at the very end.
Why did your Dragonborn's face change at the very end??
I honestly don't like Isobel so this mission would be fun
What don't you like about her?
@@wile123456 Lady Shar FTW
@@wile123456Shes gay
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 Even better
@@malekiththeeternityking5433gay people don't exist she is just confused.
good job. :D
I didn't kill her, so I ended up killing Bae'Zel
Yo I kill Isobel after releasing nightsong thinking that the whole town would not be killed by the shadow because nightsong purified the whole land and only have to kill Isobel. However the result is the same. The town people still either died or fight us. So disappointed.
Nightsong alone doesn’t end the curse, you assumed wrong. You need to kill Ketheric and restore Thaniel. Even then it will take some time.
@@ChangesOfTomorrow Act 2 is so long
Shadow curse only disappears when you have halsin save a kid and after you kill kethric. The curse can't be cured while his evil remains.
@@wile123456 I completely forgot about Halsin and lifting the shadow curse. Time to reload.
@@mycelia_ow riperino
Does Ketheric have any reaction?
I just want to kill her but keep jehira in my party but she keeps leaving after i kill thorm. Any tips?
Ngl this part was stupid as hell. How is it everyone but the party and Jaheria are succumbing to the shadow curse, even when the area is well lit?
they've been blessed individually by isobel (which isn't even a strong point since she's still dead?? but its what's canon ig)
I send my compelete party away, cuz my Dark Urge Monk was a monster already who could easily kill 5 enemies in one turn on max difficulty...so to be honest, I didn't used the Slayer very often just twice and more to have him used then that I needed him..
Yo I know you made this comment 2 months ago but help a brother out, do you remember if you lost favour with any of your companions still?
Also, I'm going as a monkbarian multiclass. Only 3 levels into barb for the frenzy subclass though, so it's still mostly monk. Any advice on how you killed her alone as a monk?
@@jasonpowerz360 No, I Had them all.
no matter what i do. killing her makes the demons show up and take her away.
I killed her and now I'm looking for that moon lantern. I don't know if my game is bugged but I can't find it anywhere
You can get a moon lantern from either the harper ambush (idk if it works without the harpers) or in a certain room at moonrise. If you’re unable to wander around the map because of the curse, shadowheart is immune to the curse, so you can use her to get the waypoints
@@drow488 I just loaded save from earlier. It turned out that my game was bugged
I killed her as dark urge so why is she with Ketheric during the boss battle?
Revived by Ketheric I am gonna guess when you leave the inn
Not ketheric his god
Soy-boy companions. Only Minthara matters.
Jujutsu Kaisen but Baldur's Gate 3
removing homosexuality from baldurs gate
Good
Karlach just say words on my mind
Can you kill her without her getting snatched by the absolute?
Yes, use a hold spell on Marcus and kill him first. Then kill her.
For that y'all have to kill Marcus and then kill Isobel. If she dies before Marcus, he snatches her with him.
@@himanshusatwick7434 nah man, i tried everything. If you kill him, one of his summons takes her. and even if you kill all of them, isobel still gets taken away by one, which apparently hid somewhere.
@@SperberMeister ya gotta keep dropping heal attacks on her. I used two Druids (Owlbear forms), Karlach, and Shadowheart to save her lol. I then saved and killed her, only to find the Last Inn overrun by shadows. It's a bit of work lol.
The way I did included some thinking outside the box.
You can actually complete the entirety of Act 2 without ever stepping inside Last Light Inn, Jaheira even has some unique voicelines in the moonrise towers if you did that.
What you have to do is : Find the Drider Patrol somewhere in the map, kill them all and free the pixie in the lantern. She will give you a blessing similar to Selune's blessing that will allow you to explore freely of the curse. That means you can do the entirety of the map content before the abduction (I did it in 1 day, can't confirm if her abduction is a timed event). You can powerlevel you character to lvl 9 or 10 if you clear the entirety of moonrise towers (you can shove guards off the cliffs).
I don't recommend skipping the inn though, you get a lot of approval farming in it, plus 2 traders and some quest info. Just don't interact with Isobel, clear the map and cheese the fight with your OP characters (also keep in mind Isobel doesn't need to be reduced to 0 hp for the abduction to occur, the winged horrors have paralysing attacks and if she gets the ailment and an enemy touches her again, you fail the defense).
I killed her every single time in my 3 playthroughs. Annoying af character and on the same level as karlach (which i always behead when i first meet her) in terms of this "marvels avenger" quirky crap.
yeah I got really annoyed and just killed her in act 3. probably just behead her every new playthrough from now on
ooooh we are edgy aren't we, I have assumptions about you and I am fairly confident about them. Work on yourself.
@@Momofan69 how about you take your own advice, dude, its just a game. 🙄🙄
Edit: also what assumptions do you have about me? i am genuinely curious.
@@Momofan69 HA! like a deer in a headlight. hilarious!
roll dice bro
Literally just have Shadowheart kill The Nightsong for the same effect and better story results
is there a way to get the quest mark to go away without killing her?
Yet another dragonborn. Most be a lot of furry gamers or whatever
Default Dark urge is white dragonborn rtard
Also wtf bro its a fantasy game why WOULD you choose to be a human?
Why don't you let others to play the game how they want?
I think most people just simply dont know they can change the character.
I'm playing as Gith Dark Urge