its possible to avoid first jaheira encounter on the bridge, sneaking in the inn with invisibility, when kill the cleric, jaheira will be neutral fighting alongside you against shadows
I have a question, so if i kill Isobel at the in after saving the nightsong, nightsong wont become hostile towards me? And will shadowheart still become a Solunite? (However that's written)
How does the Dark Urge's quest differ if you refuse to kill Isobel? For my first Dark Urge playthrough, I want to make him defy his real nature but I don't know where to go or what do to potentially free him from his father's control...
The video is interesting, but i am not sure i understand So i can 1) Refuse to kill Isobel 2) Refuse to let Shadowheart kill Nightsong 3) Can save the Harpers and the Inn 4) And refuse to kill my partner How exactly is that done?
@@MoonsongReverbyou can save your partner via saving throw (i dont remember the exact roll you need but save and reload if needed) and you can spare isobel just by ignoring the urge quest
It essentially gets worse and harder to receive the slayer form, if you don’t kill Isobel you have to kill your love interest and if you don’t do that in order to receive the slayer form you basically have to lock yourself in a bad ending near the end of the game if you want a “good ending” then simply resist the urge
you can also kill Isobel in the moonrise towers after the ketheric fight and still get the slayer form. easy-peasy, zero tieflings harmed in the process. just make sure to get jaheira to join you AFTER the murder, or she'll split from your party for good
@@leah-es1ll I`m not so much interested to kill Isobel that I will be risk lost Jaheira or someone other companions. Anyway I`m already killed Orin without slayer form in solo, on the fist try. So what's the point of killing that unfortunate cleric?
@@AvisHellrider two reasons: - you unlock the slayer form early, which may be useful for some fights in Act 3; - if you refuse, you'll be forced to kill your lover unless you can pass a Wisdom check to fight the Urge long enough to warn them so they can restrain you for the night
I haven't the slightest idea on how I want to take this 😅. I want to give myself in the Urges but not on my companions! Seems I'll end isobel after I free nightsong and last light heads to moonrise
@@RainCraver for me it only triggered in the aftermath of the Gauntlent of Shar, long resting immediately after that (mostly because I wanted evreything for the big fight in Moonrise)
No, you can go the most complicated way by not trying to rest until you met nightsong. So then you can kill Isobel without causing any other casualties in the village. Or you kill Isobel and any other person in the Last Light Inn right from the start. To me no big difference. So why...xD
Yes. I wanted to know myself, so I tried. Used a savegame I still had from immediately before entering the Mind Flayer Colony. I already had the second upgrade for Karlach, had resisted kililng her and even had warned Isobel of my urges. The option to kill her via dialog had gone, too. I just attacked her. None of my companions disapproved of attacking and killing Isobel which makes no sense. Went to camp and rested afterwards. Sceleritas appeared, got Slayer form.
And what if I have knocked her out and that other dude took her? I fail the whole dark urge quest chain? I didn't even have this buttler asking me to kill her, wtf (((
its possible to avoid first jaheira encounter on the bridge, sneaking in the inn with invisibility, when kill the cleric, jaheira will be neutral fighting alongside you against shadows
but if you sneak in without tallking to her, go to camp and sleepp the guy won't appear at night to offer you the item, so what's the point?
@onedaycode pretty sure you still get it for "taking initiative"
I have a question, so if i kill Isobel at the in after saving the nightsong, nightsong wont become hostile towards me? And will shadowheart still become a Solunite? (However that's written)
Yup, the Nightsong won't find out you killed Isobel. Also, Isobel's death won't affect Shadowheart.
How does the Dark Urge's quest differ if you refuse to kill Isobel? For my first Dark Urge playthrough, I want to make him defy his real nature but I don't know where to go or what do to potentially free him from his father's control...
Sceleritas Fey will tell you that you can kill your love interest instead.
@@MrGeeBee34 A note to this, you can resist that one too. It's a big part of the Redemption play through.
The video is interesting, but i am not sure i understand
So i can
1) Refuse to kill Isobel
2) Refuse to let Shadowheart kill Nightsong
3) Can save the Harpers and the Inn
4) And refuse to kill my partner
How exactly is that done?
@@MoonsongReverbyou can save your partner via saving throw (i dont remember the exact roll you need but save and reload if needed) and you can spare isobel just by ignoring the urge quest
It essentially gets worse and harder to receive the slayer form, if you don’t kill Isobel you have to kill your love interest and if you don’t do that in order to receive the slayer form you basically have to lock yourself in a bad ending near the end of the game if you want a “good ending” then simply resist the urge
If u save nightsong and kill isobel, is it possible to recruit jaheira at moonrise tower after that?
Yes. She won't find out you're the one who killed Isobel.
That’s great news
Sleeping in a corset?!
Does it still work with pach 7?
So you fought your way through the temple of Shar and killed balthasar without having a rest?
Yes. And you can't rest in the temple. Go give it a try.
But if we do all of it, tieflings which we saved from Moonrise Towers will be dead. Or I am wrong?
you can also kill Isobel in the moonrise towers after the ketheric fight and still get the slayer form. easy-peasy, zero tieflings harmed in the process. just make sure to get jaheira to join you AFTER the murder, or she'll split from your party for good
@@leah-es1ll I`m not so much interested to kill Isobel that I will be risk lost Jaheira or someone other companions. Anyway I`m already killed Orin without slayer form in solo, on the fist try. So what's the point of killing that unfortunate cleric?
Yup, they'll somehow end up dead at the bottom of the illithid oubliette.
@@AvisHellrider two reasons:
- you unlock the slayer form early, which may be useful for some fights in Act 3;
- if you refuse, you'll be forced to kill your lover unless you can pass a Wisdom check to fight the Urge long enough to warn them so they can restrain you for the night
I haven't the slightest idea on how I want to take this 😅. I want to give myself in the Urges but not on my companions! Seems I'll end isobel after I free nightsong and last light heads to moonrise
Yup, if you're playing DUrge, might as well give in to the urges haha
@@MrGeeBee34 Right?! And now guess what?! Larian announced more stuff for Durge runs and non Durge runs for patch 7! Ughhhhhhh! 🫠
Does this save Dammon the shop vendor for karlach?
Sadly, Dammon didn't go with the harpers to Moonrise Towers and stayed behind. So he'll die from the curse if you kill Isobel.
@@MrGeeBee34 Getting the hapers to move and then long resting also voids this part of the quest and you get a scene where you try to kill a companion
@@scorpiowarrior7841 so if I get this part, I'm not getting the companion one? I can't seem to trigger it anymore when Isobel is alive :)))
@@RainCraver for me it only triggered in the aftermath of the Gauntlent of Shar, long resting immediately after that (mostly because I wanted evreything for the big fight in Moonrise)
can you still kill isobel after resisting the urge to kill your companion to get the form?
No, you can go the most complicated way by not trying to rest until you met nightsong. So then you can kill Isobel without causing any other casualties in the village. Or you kill Isobel and any other person in the Last Light Inn right from the start. To me no big difference. So why...xD
Yes. I wanted to know myself, so I tried. Used a savegame I still had from immediately before entering the Mind Flayer Colony. I already had the second upgrade for Karlach, had resisted kililng her and even had warned Isobel of my urges.
The option to kill her via dialog had gone, too. I just attacked her. None of my companions disapproved of attacking and killing Isobel which makes no sense. Went to camp and rested afterwards. Sceleritas appeared, got Slayer form.
If your playing as the darkurge your not protected at the shadow curse lands even though she blessed you?
Nope. Only Shadowheart is protected.
hm doesnt isobel die if you let shadowheart kill nightsong? if so, would that death count towards getting your slayer form?
Isobel dying from the shadow curse won't give you the slayer form. You must kill her yourself.
@MrGeeBee34 It works, actually.
@@raphezar2049really? I plan to kill nightsong for the weapon but didn’t know Isobel dies from this. Do you still get the slayer form that way?
@@ashleyvandyk4981yes
@@MrGeeBee34 it works, I killed nightsong with my Durge and then it killed Isobel and gave me the slayer form :)
And what if I have knocked her out and that other dude took her? I fail the whole dark urge quest chain?
I didn't even have this buttler asking me to kill her, wtf (((
It can happen. So don't rush the game and take long rests. Many important dialogues only happen while you're in your camp.
Hey, so Dammon dies right? But can I continue Karlach's quest?
Unfortunately, you can't. You need Dammon for that.
@@MrGeeBee34 but you only need 2 pieces of inf iron for repairs, so after 2 repairs he is disposable right? Which means that I can continue her quest
@@hamonoverdrive6111there's really not much left of her quest TBH. Theres no cure.
Nah man I never kill isobel, If I wanna do a run with the slayer form I just romance astarion then kill him. So worth it