Space Saving Vertical Shop Vac Cyclone Separator for the Shop
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2018
- For those of you that have been following the channel for a long time know that I have never been happy with the state of the shop vac, cyclone, shop vac hose and attachment situation. The shop vac is a necessity in the shop but it simply took up too much room, cyclone tipped over all the time and it took too long to wind the hose back up again when finished cleaning.
Time for a solution! A vertical shop vac / Cyclone / hose reel put all the cleaning equipment in the same footprint of the shop vac opening up space and making the overall use of the system much faster. The system consists of a 5 3/4 HP shop vac, Clear Vue Mini CV-06 cyclone and a Rockler Dust Right hose real with 40' of 1 1/2" shop vac hose. Now I can fire up the shop vac with a remote switch, unwind the hose and clean ALL corners of the shop and quickly wind it back up again.
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I’ve been racking my brain over a dust collection solution for my garage/shop and I think this is it. Thanks for the info!!
Awesome, glad to have helped!!
Nicely done Tyler! 👍👊
Super like Tyler it will be on my bucket list of future projects! 😊👍
Looks great, very clean install!
We built out cyclone separator some time ago and the only thing missing is a hose reel. Your set up looks compact and easy to use so I think were headed to Rockler! Thanks
We really liked this video. Very helpful. We are looking for our own vaccum system. Hope you keep posting more videos.
I love how w/ the googly eyes the shop vac looks like a blue elephant!
Good idea , awesome man 👍
great video.
Thank you for your comments on suction at the end. That was my question.
Glad to have answered your questions, thanks for watching!
Very neatly done installation Tyler! Wish that I had room in my small shop for something like that........... :(
Thanks for your videos.
Thanks Barbara!
Nice giant calipers! lol! ingenious though :)
FIRST!! Ha, will admit that was cheating but it's my channel!! Hope you like the video, lemme know!
Tyler G you should have mounted it on the adjacent wall so the hose reels off in the direction you are most likely to be pulling it. Now you have to walk over to reel to pull more hose off the reel instead of just pulling on the hose where you are actually using it.
I looked into several different locations and this was the best when all the other tools we're taken into account. It works great here!
Do you have the dimensions of the circular bracket you made for holding the 5 gallon bucket? Thanks, man! 👍🏼
Love your vids mate
Thanks man, glad you enjoy them!
I have a similar setup in my shop, but my hose is only 24ft. That said , it is still long enough to cover my entire shop/garage, and it makes vacuuming the car almost fun. I did say almost. I don't have a reel yet and have been seriously thinking about it. Definitely like the use of the corner. Though I think I would have placed the reel at a 45 to the corner and a bit lower, making it cleaner to deploy and reel in.
200$ and you still have to assemble is pretty crazy
nice idea and design
Thanks!
Nice setup!
Thanks man!
Good job Tyler. This is my dream to before to long to have a dust collection system. I guess they have different sizes in length of the hose. I don’t need 40 feet as my shop isn’t that big. Looks 👍.
Most people won't need 40 ft but my shop is long and skinny so this works great. Thanks for watching Becky!
Great improvement.simple but very neat job. (Living iyryn Europe, I feel frustrated not having full access to great tool manufactures like Ridgid or Rockler.)
Murica!!! Yea we have everything over here, it's very nice. RIDGID has their AEG version for Europe, am sure rockler ships international. At least you can get RUclips over there! Thanks for watching!
Great video. I also thought it would have unwound the hose better if it were mounted on the adjacent wall. I'm sure you considered that when you made your choice. Can you add some sort of hose guide below the reel? It could be a simplified version of the fairlead on a winch, maybe a rectangular loop of PVC that the hose would slide across.
3:00 That must have been so satisfying
Indeed! Great feeling when an idea works out! Thanks for watching!
Tyler - getting ready to do a build on a portable shop vac (insulating it in a box and portable). Planned on using the dust right hose reel but this thing got some crappy write ups becuase it holds 1 1/2" hose, and the fitting attachment at the actual unit leaks. Did you experience this? Does the smaller diamater hose have enough suction with a shop vac to work well. thanks for comments.
Like your big dust collector setup, this looks really clean. I'd like to see a mobile setup though, instead of the hose reel system. I'm sure you could do a really clean looking mobile unit, and that would be a big hit. Since it wouldn't require the reel, it would probably look smaller, and you could do it in the same footprint, so you could just push the whole unit into that corner when it's not needed.
Jay Bates and Paul Jackman have made portable versions check their channels. I figured why be portable if I have a 40' hose?
Well, I suppose my reasonings would be a lighter duty shop vac because you wouldn't need so much HP, and the ability to take your setup anywhere you can get power. Having to deal with a lot of hose bothers me (although the reel is cool, my go-to extension cord is on one). What I'd really like to see is a smallish footprint mobile version of your big dust collector setup, but that build is almost entirely a "can I do it" project instead of a "do I need it" project. I used a large Woodstock Separator that just sits on top of a 55 gallon drum for my collection, but it's smooth setup to move around by any means (I have the 2 HP harbor freight unit as well).
Nheeb I suppose either way is a trade off. One reason for having the hose on a reel might be if you had limited outlets available. In that scenario you would not have a hose strung along the floor, but you would have an extension cord strung along the floor while you pushed the mobile unit around. Also, he is still going to have to push the mobile unit back across the shop to the corner where it would be parked. So either way I see it, you are either dealing with pushing the mobile unit around and parking it again (with possibly the hassle of the electrical cord) or you’re going to have to go back to the station and reel the hose back in. So in my mind it is just a matter of preference. Me personally I like his set up and will prolly copy it. Cheers
Does this hose reel leak .. I’ve read comments about it doing that not sure if it’s just some or all?
Great work! I have been thinking about doing a Shop-Vac/cyclone/ longer hose solution for a while now. I'm really tired of dragging my Shop-Vac all around my shop and having it get hung up on everything and then pulling the hose out of the shop vac...#shopproblems
Same pain over here man, hurry and do this....it's great!
I just ordered a 20 foot hose and the dust deputy. Looking forward to putting it all together
Guess they didn't get the memo about your orange shop colors........nice job Tyler.
I know! Can't win with all the tool brands. Thanks for watching!
"There always seems to be a place for pocket holes" LOL
Great build, and as always, good looking setup, even when using scrap wood to complete the project! I would venture that you are losing a lot of cfm in that system with only the 1.5" hose instead of 2.25". Is there a reason that you went with that size?
I'm sure I am losing some, but you habe to remember with a Shop-Vac that it is more about the pressure than the CFM. This works excellent, and is way better than dragging around the shop vac! Thanks for watching!
Tyler, what vacuum you have back there? What HP or Cfm?
What are the dimensions of the reel when assembled? How far does it jut from the wall and how far across does in span? I want to make sure the area I want to put it would work.
I would mount the dust hose reel in an 45° Angle to the wall makes easier to Roll- up or unroll 5:50
What was the diameter bucket measurement for your wall mount?
Tyler you are going to wish you had a garbage can instead of a 5 gallon bucket . The planer will fill that up in a minute , I know because I had the same and the vacuum will suck the chips and dust into its filter. But you can upgrade .
GREAT video Tyler. I have been thinking about this set-up. Is the handle reversible?? It looks like you mounted the unit upside down but I can see why as you need the handle on the right side.
The handle is reversible. I am very right handed and wanted to turn the handle with my dominate hand. I don't think the unit would fit between the DC pipe and the wall, pretty sure I looked into that.
Nice job. Could the reel fit on the wall where the spare dust collection duct is? It might work a little easier there.
Can't remember but I think I looked into that in there wasn't enough room. Also I am super right-handed and wanted the crank on the right hand side. Thanks for watching!
Tyler G I figured as much. It’s your shop, you know it best. I recently moved and I’ve been overwhelmed with life and my shop hasn’t been built yet. My old shop was small but awesome. Everything had a home.
Looks pretty handy Tyler. Is there a rotating collar inside the reel to keep suction constant as the reel is rotated to spool on and off?
Hi Dave! Uea there is a collar on the left side that allows free spinning. Thanks for watching!
Hi, I wonder how much you have solved static electricity. Radek Czech Republic
Putting the reel on a swivel that follows the direction you pull it (think water hose automatic reel) will stop it from jamming like it did at 5:52
Several people have mentioned that already and I think it's a great idea. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion!
I'm thinking you add a pull guard so the tube doesn't jump off the side of the spool as you pull
A previous viewers suggested that and I think it's a great idea! Thanks for watching man!
Might even work to turn it 45 degrees in the corner.
How much suction did you lose over the course of the 40' of hose?
Definitely lost some, didn't actually measure it, but I can pick up any chips and dust in the farthest corner of the shop. Works good enough!
Ok, but first like! Nice project. I'm getting ready to put my dust collection system together. Would it make sense to just rig a 1.5-inch hose to that instead of also having the separate shop vac too? I'm assuming there's a reason you didn't do that.
I'm doing a Harbor-freight and filter set-up like yours.
You will get very little suction from a dust collector through a 1.5" hose. Shop vac is designed for lots of suction power, but not a ton of air volume movement, dust collector is designed to move a ton of air, but not a lot of suction (static pressure)
Thanks James! Like Brian said a 1.5 hose will not work on a DC because it is designed for high volume and not high pressure like a shop vac.
Same reasons a shop vac is only decent as a dust collector, it simply doesn't cycle enough air through to gather the dust.
Great question James Amos. The replies by Hide replies and Tyler G are spot on for this particular case. While it is possible to have a generalized dust collection & central vacuum system, the blowers commonly sold are not designed to accommodate both modes.
The most common and effective dyi solution would be to install and actual central vacuum. This is followed by some form of high efficiency filter; a cyclone separator; and finally, the ducting for the dust collection and vacuum connections. This generally provides sufficient suction and air flow for both systems. The big draw back is both set up costs (frequently 50% more than a Dust Collector & Shop Vac) and significantly reduced motor life.
Vacs are generally designed with the expectation of running for a max 60 min work cycle (run for 60 min and the off until motor is back to room temp). Many are only designed for 20 or 30 min cycles. Dust collectors, on the other hand, are actually designated, and therefore designed, as specialized air cleaners. They are required to be designed for a minimum of 8 hour work cycles under various health and safety regulations in the USA, UK, and most of the British Common Wealth. To accomplish this, the a designed with a very low flow restriction in mind (i.e. less suction mean lower demand on the blower motor). A great example would be the blower in your furnace (which by the way is today also considered a specialized air cleaner). It assume a relatively easy air flow on the intake side so that it can move a large volume with less effort.
There are a few companies that make systems designed to do both job well and for a reasonably long work life. Most of their systems are custom designed for their clients, and come with a price tag that reflects that. These a typically found in Hospitals, Pharmaceutical Manufacturers, Various parts of the mining industry, and other areas where a one, or a few, specially designed systems would provide both significantly better operations, and substantial cost savings. In most cases, the later is only achievable in new construction or massive structural renovations. The last price I saw for such a system was just under $250,000 US. A bit out of reach for most dyi and hobbyists.
Nice build Tyler. I feel like this is a dumb question or I'm overlooking something, but what's the advantage of having this shop vac driven as opposed to putting that hose reel of a tap off of your main dust collection system?
Michael Hicks the hose is too small to work with a dust collector. A shop vac can pull about 6x more pressure than a dust collector so it can maintain acceptable flow even with a long narrow hose.
However, a 2" hose would flow a lot more air than a 1.5" hose.
It would but would aslo require either double the reel size or half the hose. Works well with the 1.5"
Like Michael said, DC would probably pick up some junk through the hose but a shop vac is designed for this application. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the replies, that makes a lot of sense. Just essentially two different fan curves with different applications. This will help me plan better now as I wasn't even considering a shop vac setup in future plans!
What cyclone do you have
This is the mini CV-06 by Clearvue Cyclones. Rockler also sells a bucket separator that would work great for this situation. Thanks for watching!
I think you put the hanging system upside down..
Nope.
I don't know what this thing is called but you should make one for your hose reel so this 5:51 won't happen again www.imagebam.com/image/21ba2f847045584
That's a good idea!
Is your vacuum 240V? No way you can get a true under load 5+ HP out of 120V. HP ratings on 120V vacuums are about as truthful as a politician running for election. NIce build and installation by the way.
JB Marker shop vac hp ratings are based on the inrush power they are designed to handle so a higher hp rating really just means beefier windings which may last longer. Almost all full size shop vacs and upright vacuum cleaners run between 1100 and 1300 watts which is between 1.5 and 2 hp.
My point exactly. Tyler mentioned his was 5.75 HP.
JB Marker he's just referring to the in-rush power rating but to your point, anything rated at 1.75hp or higher should theoretically have about the same max pressure and flow rate.
I dunno, it works. Rockler suggests a 5HP ( am pretty sure they are calling out the label on the front of the machine regardless of truthfulness or not) and I have a 5 3/4....good to go!