170 - Cyclone Separator Shootout
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Why a Cyclone Separator
A cyclone separator is essentially a bucket with a fancy lid. When connected to a vacuum source, the lid creates a cyclonic suction that collects large dust particles minimally, and the small dust particles at best. By adding one of these to a standard shop vac or dust extractor, you can collect much of the dust before it ever reaches your vac's filter. So why would you want to do this? One reason is safety. Many times, a filter will get clogged with both large and small dust particles, eventually clogging up the system. This could lead to dust leaking through the system and being expelled back into the shop air. By removing the large particles and even some of the smaller particles, your vac filters don't have to work as hard and are less likely to become clogged. At the very least, it will take a lot longer for a clog to occur.
The second reason is to save money. I never run my shop vac or dust extractors without a filter bag. Disposable filter bags wind up costing me a lot of money over time. By separating out the chips and dust BEFORE the vac, I can simply empty the bucket over and over and the fill rate on the disposable bags drops dramatically.
I'll be reviewing the following cyclone separators: The Oneida Dust Deputy, The ClearVue Mini-CV06, and Rockler's Dust Right Vortex.
Overall Winner: Oneida Dust Deputy 
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I know this post is 5+ years old but I still got a lot of valuable information from it. Thank you for taking the time to post your results as well as updates!
It's now NINE years old, and still serving its original purpose. Terrific.
I'm glad to see the Dust Deputy rate well in your evaluation. I've had one in use for a couple years and just love it! Thanks Marc!
Thank you for showing the Cyclone Separator, I well being getting on soon for my shop. It is wonderful to see people on RUclips doing things so other can get great ideas. Keep up the good work.
This video is a winner by any standard: construction, content or clarity, etc. I learned more about cyclone separators than I have ever seen in one place and now have the tools by which I can make a good choice when deciding which one I'll spring for.
Thank you for this product comparison. I have been trying to decide for a few days now on which unit to buy. You did a great job with explaining all the features, pros and cons, and I think in the end, I'll go with the Oneida as well.
I have the Dust Deputy (made in the USA) sitting above a Fein vac and it works great! Very little goes into the vac. I made a wooden cart that rolls around, keeping the vac and collector together along with all the different vac attachments. Going vertical saves on shop space.
I'm about done with the basic shop restructure and just now thinking about the dust collection system to use. I was already leaning towards the Dust Deputy, but I believe you've helped make up my mind. Thanks for taking to time to review these for us, bud.
Great comparisons and great video. I bought just the Oneida cyclone part last week and attached it to my own 5 gallon bucket with little time and effort. I've seen the same results as you have. Glad to see I chose correctly!
Great video and even better review! I knew I wanted a cyclone separator and was actually going to go with rocklers dust right until I saw this video. After watching it I ordered the diy dust deputy with a 14 gallon drum. It works as shown in this video. I will have to get a good bag for my vacuum because the fine dust particles occasionally still make it into the vacuum like you stated. Glad I researched this before buying. Thanks for the help!!!
Marc, thank you for this comparison test. I have wondered about the differences of these units' performance.
Thanks for the shootout vid. The 'Deputy" was on my list to get even before watching, but now I'm convinced it is the way to go. I'll be getting just the separator by itself and doing my own collection bucket thing to save even more $$. It's on sale right now at Menards for $45. Thanks again... Cheers!
So I watched this video and bought the Dust Deputy for the shop. It works great. I'm very pleased.
Yesterday, my wife burned up the house vacuum. Because of our Springer Spaniel, this is actually a regular occurrence. Springers are great, but they shed, shed, shed.
Well, when the house vac burns up, the shop vac goes in doors. Let me tell you, this thing works great on pet hair. Of course now she wants me to buy her a smaller shop vac for the house and, of course, attach another dust deputy and build her a cart for it and have places for some accessories, and, and, and, well, I'm off to try and make the wife happy.
Build it for her. But buy yourself a new toy or two that you need to make it. "Sure Dear. But I have to get a new dado blade for the saw to make the cart." Or a pocket hole jig. Or something like that.
@Missouri Bob That is how I end up with new tools!
Cheaper than a Dyson
AND excuse for a few new doo dads for the happy wife/life build.
Happy Wife Happy Home and some added Tools to get the the Job Done Of Course !
Haha this is hilarious, men helping men help women to help men (to get more tools)
Bought the Dust Deputy (just the cyclone upper part) several years ago for about $35.00. Thought it was cheaply built and overpriced at the time. I mounted it on an Ace Hardware (stiff sides) 5 gallon bucket and then built the Woodsmith rolling combination shop vac and Dust Deputy cart. Now I have the portability to roll the unit anywhere in my small shop and connect it to my various wood working tools. I've used it for about 6 months and found that it (the Dust Deputy) works very well. Just ran across your Shootout (Suckout?) video, and was pleasantly surprised to see your findings paralleled mine. For $35.00, a little plywood and some casters and my shop vac, I have a great little dust collector that meets all my needs. Thanks for the video that confirmed my lucky guess.
Great Review and Real World Testing...I was researching for my small hobbyist shop a reliable working dust collection system, and the Oneida Dust Deputy made my "must buy" list, I just need confirmation. Thank You!!!!
Great review. I've been looking at the dust deputy. I'm glad I caught this before purchasing.
Was making out my Christmas list and had an eye on the dust deputy. Now it's on the list for sure. Thanks for the review.
Great comp. review.
Five years on, a price hike, but I saw this clip and bought. I got the DIY Dust Deputy, $50--I bolted it to a HD bucket lid. The version with 2 buckets and wheels cost $100. Center of gravity is not low enough to resist tipping over when in use to clean floors. Static use with a bench or floor power equipment poses no problems. It will get a stability solution.
Thank you, I was going thru a hissy fit trying to decide. I always watch all your vid's , very interesting and interesting. Keep up the good work
Couple other facts that I didn't hear mentioned is that the Oneida is made in the USA and you can use paint buckets from the home improvement store.
Nice, clear, concise review. Looks like Oneida has fixed their quality-control problems with the plastic welding.
Excellent presentation. I loved this video. Many thanks.
Great review. I've been thinking of getting something like this and your video has been very informative and helpful. Thanks
Thanks for the comparison.....I love how time stands still in your shop.
This is an excellent, well made, very informative video. Thank you so much, and please, keep it up.
I used to use the Dust deputy on my festool copy vac for concrete grinding with a 9' hitachi. I would empty 3 buckets of dust before a full bag. Works a treat.
Thanks a load for this shootout. I have been looking for some good comparisons between the DD & the clearvue mini, and you addressed all of them. Props for the Zelda shirt.
Great video, Mark. Very helpful and I was glad to see that my Dust Deputy came out on top!
Awesome job on this video! Love the elimination ceremony at the end, and you can't really argue with the results.
AWESOME .... I'm going with the Dust Deputy - thanks for taking out the time to share this ....
Hola! 🖐I can imagine it took a long time to put this video together and post it. I really appreciate all of your efforts. Not only did you purchase all the materials but you took the time necessary to run this experiment, document it all, then edit and create this video. Thank you for sharing your talents. Take care and have a good one, Adios!👊
I'd love to see this recreated with newer option available.
Especially for 4" inlet/outlets
Excellent coverage. I wish I'd seen this before I bought two units!
Interesting video. Built my own dust collector using pvc, 35 gallon metal can and some left over wood scrap. I could not believe how well it works. Built a carrier for shop vac and cyclone so I can wheel it around the shop since I never use the shop vac without it anymore. Added bonus of keeping your filters clean is the suction power doesn't deminish.
I bought the Dust right Cyclone for $79 with a 10' anti-static hose on special from Rockler. The Dust Deputy kit (my original favorite) is $99 now. A little dust in the shopvac bag I can deal with. The Dust Right is also more stable on it's wheels.
Thanks for the review.
Great comparison Video and demonstration with superb to-the-point smooth no BS editing and narration !!
Good job buddy !! Thanks so much !!
I never noticed the clock, I was too interested in the review. I just tried one for a rock pulverizing circuit and it worked well. Not as well as with wood, but still a big improvement over other alternatives.
I wanted to commend you on your presentation as it was very quick, thorough, and useful.
I'm not much into wood working, but you sure did a good job on this video.
Keith
I made my own for about $40 CDN... it's essentially identical to the Oneida system. I paid $30 for the cyclone off of amazon and $8 for the 5 gallon bucket and lid from home depot. It took about 15 minutes to put together... works like a charm.
I bought a dust deputy years ago and it was all steel. I fitted it to a steel drum with a seal ring lock lid and It does the job perfectly.
Wood whisperer thanks for this demonstration. I bought the diy dust deputy because of the shoot-out results and I got great results. The money I spent on the dust deputy was well spent.
You did a great review simple points hard to argue. You made my pick easier ! Thanks
Thank you! I was leaning towards the Dust Deputy but then saw an ad for the Dust Right so I was happy to find your comparison of the 2! Going for the Dust Deputy
Went out and bought the dust deputy today. works absolutely amazing
Great review!
Thank you for sharing these experience with us, thumb up !
Great video...and I am awe struck that among your skills....you are able to make time stand still...which means we can stay forever in the wood shop :)
Thanks for sharing
Hi Mark, i have seen all of your videos and this one has let me buy the dust deputy here in germany :). I will use it on my selfmade wood-cnc machine.
Thanks a lot for all your inspiring videos
I figured at the start of the video that you would pick the Rockler unit since they are a sponsor. I was pleasantly surprised. Nice video! Also I will be picking up a Dust Deputy for the shop. Thanks.
I found this video very helpful
Any thoughts on using it while drywall sanding.
Thanks
What a great review. thanks for sharing
Great job evaluating products.
I like how you explain that , very helpful
Hi,Excellent video very informative.Thanks.
Before watching your video, I was ready to go out and purchase the Rockler product. I have since purchased the Oneida Cyclone separator and it has turned out to be one of the best additions to my small shop. I couldn't be happier about coming across your video. Thank you!
I enjoyed your review. a big Help..........good job as usual
Thanks a lot man, what a fantastic and very simple review. I'm in the process of getting one of these and the choice for me is now obviously clear as I want to upgrade from the system I currently have in my garage is quite frankly junk. Best of luck with your projects - Gold from South Africa.
Great no nonsense and to the point.
Thanks
I just bought a house and am putting in luxury vinal throughout, before we move in. My wife HATES carpet, so there will not be a single thread anywhere in the house, which makes sweeping much easier. One of the things that she would really like is a kickspace automatic dustpan, which I am planning on building. There is plenty of space under the house to mount hardware, and this is perfect for keeping the vacuum filter as clear as possible for as long as possible. Really great to know. Thanks for the awesome video!!!
Great review. Thanks.
you should do this again and include the dustopper. Seems to work amazingly well for woodworking
I have the Oneida as well and love it. Like you I'm not a big fan of the hard type hose that comes with the Rockler, but I might like to try it for this application. When I turn on my vac the suction makes the flexible hose between the Oneida cyclone and the vac shrink right up, yanking the cyclone toward the vac, sometimes easily popping the top right off that can.
Fantastic video. Watching in 2019 and still very relevant. A big thank you.
Absolutely excellent review, thank you.
Thanks for the review. Based mostly on your results and comments, I went and bought the Dust Deputy (DYI edition) for $49.99 at Busybee. Contrary to claims published here and there, it does not pick 99% of the saw dust, but 99.99% !!!
I use it with a Dirt Hawg 5 HP 12 Gal shop vac with a half a leg of pantyhose over the filter. It's been two weeks now and almost two full buckets of saw dust later, just TRACES of dust in the vac, hardly anything on the pantyhose. Should have done this years ago.
A good seal at the lid of the cyclone bucket can make that difference. I test my big and little DD with smoke to insure there is no air moving between the chamber and the outside at the lid.
If you see ANY big chips in the vac can, it's a sign you have a leak. On the other hand, I've had plastic and fiber glass go through because they are both large and light, so don't spin out.
I need a wall clock like he has. Never needs batteries, no need to look at it, and it's exactly correct twice a day!
I use the Oneida Dust Deputy and have never had a problem with the lid popping off. It fits tightly and makes a snapping sound to let you know when its properly attached. It also handles larger chips very well from my joiner,table saw,band saw,chop saw all the way down to fine sanding.I never turn my shop-vac on with out it attached!
I was about to by the Dust Deputy then I saw the Dust rite on sale and started looking for reviews. Spotted this and after watching decided to stick with my first choice the Dust Deputy, Great review thanks for the info. Also I would take the battery out of your clock every time you do a video just to drive the nitpickers nuts.
Good video!! This is about the 3rd video I’ve seen on a dust collector shootout. The dust deputy won every time.
You also might find it interesting that I was actually rooting for the ClearVue, as I am a fan of their products. But It wouldn't be a very good review if I let things like that influence the results. No opinions here....just results. :)
Thanks for the review! I just bought a Delta 50-760 Dust collector, but was thinking about adding some sort of cyclone separator? I am looking hard at the Rockler, but are these more for normal dust vacs, or will it work well attached to an actual dust collector as well?
I'm not sure I know how to replace them.
My Dust Deputy just arrived today. Looking forward to purchasing filters/bags less often!!
Some complaints I have about the Dust Deputy are that it is very top heavy and I noticed a loss of suction when using it. My shop vac could not pick up screws anymore with the dust deputy. THANKS for the video! I was considering buying the Vortex and giving it a try. Now I know better.
hey great vid I was thinking of getting a dust system and now I know what im going to buy. thanks.
good to know!
I was thinking of getting one of those, or making one similar.
Great vid.
I have the Dust Deputy and hooked it to a Rigid shop vac using 2" PVC pipe. Power for the system is run through an i-Socket device I bought from Menards. I plug my tool and the shop vac into the i-Socket and when I turn on the tool, the vacuum turns on as well. I turn off the tool and the vacuum runs for 3 extra seconds and then turns off. Everything is mounted to a plywood cart making it easy to move around the shop.
The Dust Deputy works very well and I highly recommend it.
Great Video - I am surprise no one had done something like this before. Now all I have to do is wait till the dust deputy is on sale.
Wow! I was surprised at the results. Did not expect that at all.
What a great honest review thank you
Hi WooWhisperer
excellent demonstration!!, without a doubt let us with the clear decision on the right choice to buy.
are you able to compare between the winner of these 3 (Dust Deputy) and the 50mm from Cyclone Central?
Hi, I would like an opinion on my idea about chip/dust extraction.. I have a Makita table-top planer, I am thinking of putting a 'Y' fitting in the discharge hose, on the long side I want to 'Blow' into it with my shop-vac hoping to creat a vacume at the planer discharge, and pressure in the discharge hose.. Then, just discharging the chips/dust onto a pile outside of my shop.
I believe these are really intended for smaller systems, as evidences by the port sizes. But I believe Oneida sells a larger unit for larger systems. You can also look into a Thein system.
Great video! Any particular size/power of shop vac needed for pairing with dust deputy? Newbie here starting a small shop in half of 2 car garage. Thanks.
Thank you for the video it was a great help.
You need a couple of hold-down clamps on the lid of the Onieda model, that would make sure it doesn't pop off. I made a separator some years ago but it has it's disadvantages.
Excellent review, by the way!
I enjoyed your review. Prior to watching I had an opinion the Oneida was the winner.
In the "connectivity" section as you were installing the hoses into the various cyclones. I noticed that 2 models used an OD connection and 1 (Oneida) used an ID fitting.
The ID fitting is an issue. It causes 2 problems, restriction of the inlet size and a place for debris to accumulate. That might not be an issue for a woodworker but for any other uses like metal workng, it could be.
Thorough review, thanks
I have an Oneida, and certainly the inlet fitting is some serious brain damage. I have a shop vac hose that goes around it, and I do get debris sticking in the gap. (The hose only makes contact where the inlet flares open.) I also find it doesn't stay on well.
I am thinking of either making an adapter that matches the profile of the inlet (on the inside) and the size of the hose (on the outside) or cutting off the reduced part. Cutting off the reduced part might increase airflow, but I am a bit concerned about Something Bad happening if I do that. Is there anyone reading this who can comment on that?
To maybe fix bucket collapse of the ClearVue Mini try putting it into another 5 gallon bucket if it will fit or putting some other type of round stiffener around it. I think it will keep it from collapsing by forcing it to keep a round shape which is stronger. Chris Notap found this to be a solution for his homemade cyclone separator when he used it with his more powerful central vac.
Hi there, enjoy your videos, just a quick question, I've set up the cyclone type dust collector, I'm just using an house hold vacuum unit at the moment, my problem is that, the dust is being sucked up but not falling into the bucket, still getting sucked up into the vacuum unit, do I need to invest to buy a stronger vacuum unit? any idea would be appreciated. Thanks Warren
Great video.
The suction is pretty strong and I doubt there was any residual dust in the hose after each run.
any thoughts on the oneida deputy full set up or the half price oneida do it yourself kit?
Any experience with PVC piping vs. metal pipes with regards to price, static electricity, ease of installation, ect.?
Have heard, that static electricity can build up in a system and eventually ignite the fine dust, if not grounded.
Is it possible to buy a shop vac with this cyclone system built in already, it seems really primitive to sort of drag this bucket on wheels around your workshop? Thanks
Good job!
This is the only channel I subscribe to, thanks for all of the great videos. I am curious how come only 2 1/2" dust collection?
I am super happy with my Woodstock W1049 garbage can lid, it works great and I have not had to empty my dust collector bag yet (it's a G0548Z).
I am sure at some point it might be inundated, but I do know folks use these separators for larger tools. Unfortunately I wasn't able to test it under those conditions.
the deputy delux is $189 in Australia. looking at making a thein baffle style one for my collector. great vid!
Bravo! Well done.
VERY HELPFUL...Thanks
I am just getting into woodworking and learned my first lesson about shop vac filtration. After a day of sanding i completely fried my, relatively new, shop vac. Now i know the importance of filtration! I will buy the dust deputy.