A Waste Of $10,000 The Gibson Ultima Is Unplayable!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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You'd think for $10k the Gibson Ultima would play itself but it wouldn't play at all. Sorry Bob!
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Of course there are playing issues. It wasn't designed to be played, it was designed for lawyers and dentists to hang up on their wall.
Hahaha, the irony is that this guitar sits in a multi thousand dollar display case made of exotic wood. So ACCURATE 🤪
@Bob Cavanaugh and yes, pilots. I just watched the next video, I must have said your name 30x. It's hilarious, Bob.
I resemble that remark!!!
haha I was gone say that in my comment above haha.
@@ctcards2636 you're not wrong 😆
Don’t know if it’s the case with that one, but I’ve found that 9 times out of ten, bad intonation is being caused by the nut slots not being cut low enough, so the closer you play to the nut, the more you are bending strings out of pitch just by pushing them down onto the frets. Easy way to check is put a capo at the first fret, then tune it and play up and down the neck with the capo and see if it sounds in tune that way. In that case, you are basically using the first fret as a zero fret. I don’t know why more guitars haven’t gone with a zero fret instead of a nut. Solves so many headaches.
Totally a good reason or a wonky fret.but you'd expect more directly from Gibson. I gave it back and said have at it! Passss
It sounded crappy up at the upper register as well
@A Jonesy if there were unedited video you would see literally 40+ more mins of me getting frustrated, tinkering, looking at my director and questioning what we do with this video. You're looking at it lol 😆
Them damn nut sluts 😂😂😂
My ex was a nut slut
This guitar reminds me of an Ibanez artist a friend of mine bought in the late 70's. Same fancy inlay and all. The big difference is HIS WAS PLAYABLE. And it was a small fraction of what that thing cost.
Plus the Ibanez had the hottest pickups I had ever played at that point.
This is just a shame on the quality control part of it. It's easily fixable, but the lamest situation if you wanna record, play, or maybe do a demo with it 😆
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist For that price needing fixing already is unacceptable. Those Ibanez guitars from the '70's were, and still are I would think, amazing guitars. I would rather find one of those, and have a player I can take anywhere than an expensive wall hanger.
Ibanez is hands down a better made guitar, with MUCH better quality. An Ibanez B-Stock is equivalent to a Gibson Custom shop, not just talking 💩 here either, it's a fact.
@RetroQuest I don't agree. Gibson makes some amazing guitars, they're just inconsistent. This guitar is majorly high quality with some really stupid things wrong with it. The quality is great, the quality control over dumb shit not so much. Gibson has always made both incredible and BS instruments
When I’m comes to lawsuit era guitars, Japan built is very hard to beat. But now as well, I love my Revstar, but I did change all the electronics. SD pick ups are my fav sound, but it’s sounds like Santana’s pre PRS Yamaha now!🙂
The nut may not be cut correctly so no matter what you do to adjust the intonation or tune it, it won't work. The high point for each nut slot needs to be right at the fretboard edge. If someone rocked the file when cutting the slots then the high point may be closer to the headstock which will mess up the intonation process. A new nut and a thorough setup may solve the problem.
Oh, for sure, I just think it's ridiculous. IT has 4 hours of play. Not my guitar, not my problem. But you're 100% right.
It should theoretically solve the problem, though the break angle and non-straight pull at the headstock on Gibson guitars causes quite a few tuning issues. A device called a "string butler" could improve this some. While nothing (in my opinion) with improve it 100%, a few things will improve things greatly overall.
@SpaceD_0ut_Ace I'm sure. Again, not my monkeys not my circus. It's sitting in Bob's display case as wall art. I may bring it to my guy and make an episode of bringing her to life, but people keep messaging like I don't know how to fix it or even care to. I'd just assume that guitar fall off a bridge lol
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I get that. I was just commenting to the original message. Sorry if it comes off as saying you do not know what you are doing, which was not my intent. Take care.
@@austinfailz no no, it's all good, this video is just blowing up and I'm getting ptsd over Bob's guitar hahahah!
I had 490/498 pick ups in my SG Standard I bought last month. They immediately got switched out for a set of Bare Knuckle Silos. I also replaced the circuit board and pots with 550k pots, oil/paper caps, and had it wired 50s style. I also had locking turners put in. So...$1700 for the guitar and another $650 later that guitar rocks.
Sometimes they can be a labor of love. First off, I corrected myself later in the take but it didn't get edited in that the pickups are actually 57s. Which I love. But sometimes Paul's come sounding dead. I head a brand new lp signature w burstbucker 2 pups in it and it literally was the worst sounding thing I've ever encountered. I put emgs in it and she immediately sounded massive. The thing that's even crazier is that I've gone from the same pickup on 5 guitars and they seem inconsistent a lot to me. Some people swear by the burst buckers and meanwhile they were unusable for me. Bare knuckle stuff always kicks ass. I have some in one of my classics and they sound positively heavenly! 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I've been putting Bare Knuckle in all my guitars lately. I put a BK Riff Raff in the bridge and The Mule in the neck of my LP Standard 60s (along with their pots and caps). Put a set of Rebel Yell in my PRS Custom 24. Bare Knuckle are defintely my favorite pickups, and the guys there are cool too.
@KetoSoldier I used to customize all of my guitars and realized I took the value right out of them. I bought a lot of them already customized so I've been able to mess w some of them, but I prefer to keep most guitars stock now just as a collector and to see the difference between everything. The first thing I used to think when I got a guitar was how am I gonna change this thing? Lol
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I totally get it. I was hestitant to change my guitars too for the same reasons. One day, I just thought to myself why do I care what I can sell them for? I should just make them into the guitars I wanted. Then again, I only have the guitars I play. One day, if I start up a collection like you have then I wouldn't be changing anything either. Thinking about buying a PRS private stock in the near future. That guitar won't get triffled with. Although, make no mistake it will get the hell played out it. Just not on stage.
@KetoSoldier if they're your forever guitars then you do you! I def did me, but when you have as many as I do you start asking yourself "am I really gonna play this so much I shouldn't leave it this way?" The answer is usually no nowadays, but there are exceptions. But I also already have multiple go to guitars so variety is the spice of life. It's your tone. Chase it. Just don't be mad when you sell something and people give u a hard time! That's why I never sell any of my customized guitars.
I'm not totally surprised by the intonation issue.
One of the items on my checklist when evaluating a Les Paul involves this exact issue, some of them do this while others do not.
Little issues like this are part of when helps me determine what is a "Keeper".
Great Content Benny. Nice guitar Bob, thank you for sharing it with us.
What makes you think an intonation issue won't be solved by doing an intonation?
@@hibernative I've had guitars where correctly intonating them required the Nut being recut as well as the bridge and saddles being adjusted/worked on.
For the most part I've found that 99% of all guitars can be brought into intonation without much work, however I've had some that just refused to sound right after being set up.
Not sure if it was individual frets or even some strange anomaly that caused strange harmonics, I just know that I've seen it happen. That was all I was saying, when I'm checking out a guitar for purchase I do everything I can within the scope of a demo to make sure the intonation is on and the guitar rings out correctly up and down the scale. I've passed on a few guitars because those pesky little sour notes that sometimes occur in certain areas of the fingerboard.
I'd like to add, Benny should have tried a new set of strings on that Ultima, many, many times a string can vary in diameter from either wear or manufacturing, and that can also cause the whole sour note thing to happen.
@@hkguitar1984 I have heard Gibson drilled the holes for their bridges in the wrong direction so you almost need to max out the saddle position to get it to play right. Can of course happen with very thick strings too.
If the nut is not right you can usually check the fret position intonation and if everything rings true except the nut, it is probably not nut.
And also of course nuts that are to shallow so you fret out of tune.
@@hibernative Yes, 100% agree with you.
Surprisingly (or not), many times it can be a worn string. The whole intonation equation depends on the length and diameter of the individual strings. I've found that even a slightly flattened area from fret wear on a unwound strings can play havoc with intonation. And to be clear, not all players can actually hear the small differences.
I've a wrap tail R4 Goldtop that intonates almost perfectly, but only with new strings.
On that R4 I find myself changing the un-wound/plain strings at least once before needing to change the entire set for new strings. I love my wrap tail Les Paul, the bridge/stopbar string spacing is just a touch wider as compared to the ABR-1.
These days I find myself preferring the wrap tail and Telecasters due to the wider string spacing at the bridge. Sorry for my digression, I've been practicing my hybrid picking and have rediscovered my love for the Telecaster as well as the wraptail LP! LOL
That's definitely a factor for me. How much can you dig in and how much it just stays in tune, but particularly in how the overtones sound. This one passed the first test in flying colors, which is to sound really nice acoustically. It also played really well, but the biggest one is whether it can stay in tune, be thrashed on and still stay in tune, and how finicky it is when it is in tune not to go sharp or flat pending how hard I dig in. Thanks for watching 🙌🙏🙏🙏🎸🔥
Every time I put my hands on a high end Gibson USA product it makes me want to buy a Paul Reed Smith even more.
I love PRS and the thing I'll give them is that they make the most consistent high end instrument on the market by far. That's why I have 40
i bought a lp style sire and for the money I was surprised at the quality! I own 5 gibsons including a rosewood j45. because of it i bought luthier tools.
Dude PRS guitars are where it’s at. I have a 2013 Gibson SG that has had the bridge, tuners and nut replaced and it still won’t stay in tune. Gibson makes a junk product. All of my PRSs stay in tune perfectly. And those range from SEs, S2s, and a couple of cores.
I own a PRS DC3, a short lived stratocaster series they made before the Silversky. They didn't make many of those because they weren't very popular, but I'm lucky to own one in a such a good condition, the quality is very good
One thing I love and admire about PRS is that it doesn't matter if you buy the most expensive and premium product in their lineup or the cheapest one, you'll still have quality
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist 40?! I've yet to acquire my 1st...😬
Maybe one of those shiny new McCarty's to start with? Enjoyed the vid...
I have a lot of Gibsons, and yep, even my Custom shop Custom needed me to fine cut the nut. I asked about this, and the fact is that their reasoning for cutting the nut a little high makes some sense: not everyone plays with really low action, and some folks play slide, which means it needs to be even higher. You can't put material back on the nut (easily), but you can file it down, so like layers on a winter's day, you can't add what you do have, but you can take them off. I have a set of nut files and I cut my own, but that's not something everyone should have to do. Honestly, when it comes to shops, they should always include a little wiggle room to give you a decent setup. Les Paul's can play in tune, but it takes a little fine tuning out of the box to customize it to the individual. Right or wrong, it is the way.
When it comes to that particular guitar, it's unlikely it would be a player for anyone outside of like television appearances on New Year's Eve or something. It's best left in a glass case and as an art piece than a player.
You're not wrong jim, but they can still cut the nut with high action and ensure it's intonated! I'm sure if it's recut it'll be a dream but I still call shenanigans on it being this poorly taken care of and shipped out. Subscribe and join the madness
I’m kinda disappointed because in my eyes, every single Gibson should be a player no problem, even if it was gonna decorative, it should still play fantastic.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I'll give you that for sure. I would give a little credit to the fact that the guy had the guitar in a case for years and it's likely the strings are original. You can't intonate some strings, and a quick change has fixed such problems for me in the past on many guitars, regardless of guitar brand. It's also possible the frets need a little attention due to the fact that it sat for a while. I found when I do everything mechanical correct, it's likely that it's the strings. Of course, that's just my history and experience, and I could be dead wrong. LOL
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist For $10k Gibson can cut the nut to the customer's specifications before delivery. It's a small service to make a $10k flagship product actually usable for it's intended purpose.
I look at custom shops all the time but I simply can't fathom pulling the trigger on the price of those things when they're not perfect. Yes I expect 100% perfection when I'm spending upwards $6,000 for a guitar.
I took a second hand Ibanez, put in custom Bartolini pups and a professional paint job on it with a detailed set-up by an expert luthier, and still have less than $2k in it, and it's perfection in playability, looks, and sound.
Mainly I stay with Schecter. They always knock it out of the park and won't break the bank.
Rock on man! That axe sounds rad! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
True but every Schecter that I've ever played the low e buzzed so bad the guitar was just unplayable. Overall fit and finish was great the neck was great the pickups were great the sound was great all that greatness and yet I still sold every single one because like I said even through an amp turned up the buzzing was just terrible. I own over 20 guitars trust me I know how to set one up or take one to a Master luthier and even they couldn't get it right
@@beefnacos6258 have a whole wall of them.. hellraisers and apocalypse in strat , singlecut and v models as well as custom singlecut .. no buzz , i'd put any of these against anything anyone has.. geeze look where they are made.
Thanks for sharing with us, Bob the Pilot. I'd never be able to even breathe on one. Maybe it's a blessing I have to make anyhing this fancy for myself if I want one. It's wall art without a new WELL CUT nut :)
Save yourself the money and buy someone else's mistake for 50% less!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I didn't mention that I'd probably die or move on to the next project guitar b4 I'd finish a task like that fretboard inlay!
The fact that you'd pay half(or maybe even less than half) of the price for a Schecter Custom Shop Solo-II(their LP model) and get a guitar with better specs that is actually playable.
The good gibsons are as good as anything out there. But this sorta thing baffles me. Schecter makes some great guitars. I had a California custom elite that originally went for 4100 and it was a great super strat, just not my thing.
You can pay 500 bucks and get a Yamaha Revstar RSE20, awesome playability and great sound (perhaps slightly "fluffy" pickups), if you want you can make a pickup change. Still will cost you WELL under 1000 bucks. There are many other options for under 1000 bucks which are really playable and good guitars. Gibson is just a corporate cash grab company.
@Tom Whittaker gibson makes the best guitars in the world. Unfortunately they have the worst quality control on the planet with some of the most inconsistent guitars.
@@tomwhittaker9461 there is a reason why so many influential guitar players played a Gibson and it's NOT because it's a "corporate cash grab" thing. Like he said, they have horrible quality control now. Otherwise they can be some of the very finest guitars. I prefer a good Strat myself but I miss my Gibson.
I have a bunch of LPs. Nothing that fancy though. But anyway I have this Traditional with a wicked flame top. Acts JUST like that. Or it did rather. I put Graph Tech tuners( not locking I hate locking) and that helped a lot but it still pisses me off. I finally found a luthier that has become my new favourite person. The Traditional is maybe the next project I have for him. I bet the nut will fix it. But yeah that’s a piss off for sure.
100% and I also love the traditional
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Love your $&@&ing channel man.
Every guitar can be made better by taking it to the luthier for a setup. Really the problem is with the owner.
@@American-Dragon Agree
I have a beaultiful les paul R68 custom . And she have the same issue. How I’ve fixed the tuning problem? Powered Graphite on the nut .
That's it alexandre...this needs a new nut, which is a testament to the quality control of gibson! Please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
To me this has been the Gibson experience for years, I’ve tried, I’ve returned 3 Gibsons to Guitar Center. Nothing beats an American Jackson which is a precision instrument
I have over 50 gibsons and I love them all. I almost never buy new for this reason. They have always been inconsistent but the good ones are some of the best guitars. I absolutely agree jackson makes a more consistently excellent instrument
Japanese ESP are also vastly better.
@Fatt Philosopher disagree. Love Japanese and even American ESP, but for a good one you'll pay as much if not more than a Gibson and they are MUCH more exclusive. They had a custom shop eclipse hanging at the GC in Hollywood for 9k. Not anymore of a deal, just guarantee it doesn't have a nut problem
It's funny how lucky I got because this year I finally pulled the trigger on a used les Paul standard and an explorer and they are both ridiculously good instruments. My Les Paul isn't heavy like at all which blows my mind because everyone I've ever picked up damn near breaks my back. And the whole g-string doesn't stay in tune thing it's just a myth to me at this point because I am having absolutely zero issues. Lucky? Maybe.
@@shanewalton8888 opinion man. Every Japanese ESP I've ever played simply didn't do It for me including the horizon and the lp. Hated them. My buddy bought one brand new and 6 months later he sold it.
That was brutal. Sorry Bob. Did you post this up on the GSOC?
Oh I did. This video started as something very different. I do his M2M this Saturday! Check it out brother
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I'm reading it now. Interesting comments. Can't wait to see the M2M. He earned that one.
@@TheJeffcurran it def faired better than the Ultima! Comments are priceless.
Now we know why it was on sale! By the way, Ultima in Spanish means " the last one " And I hope it is the "ultima" they make..🤭
I see what u did there. 🙌🤪
Since every guitarist reviewing guitars on RUclips is being very neurotic, trying to find cosmetic imperfections and hardly talking about general playing experience, I really appreciate the fact that you’re honest and upfront about it! 👍🏻
I wasn't sure where that was going aart!!! Thanks for watching dude. Subscribe and join the madness, I don't have any agenda other than telling it how it is 🙌
Yeah, that sounds terrible. I've had $300-$400 guitars that intonate better than that. You are right about that top too, underwhelming for the cost.
It was just a perfect example of what I always talk about that cheaper and less opulent guitars try harder for tone. It blows my mind what gibson considers the best tops, I have seen 40k Bella voce les Paul's with tops like this. Cmon now.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I have sold US strats and kept Classic Vibe strats that played better and intonated way better. My current number one is the Silver Sky SE. I am blown away by the way it plays and sounds. Best strat I have ever owned, not just for the money either. It's just that good.
@Micah Meazell have you seen my silver sky se unboxing video? If you haven't you need to go check that out immediately because you're essentially quoting me.
@The Neurotic Guitarist yes I have. Great video. I saw it after I bought mine and agree 100% with you. Love your channel, such a departure from all of the monotone gear demos out there.
Honestly, my Epiphone Les Pauls play WAAAY better than this guitar.
$10k and struggles (at best) to stay in tune... wow
Def needs a new nut. Super lame!!!
I have had a few guitars in my 30+ yrs of playing that acted the same way. Have a PRS McCarty currently that has same issue. When all else fails, use your ears. You will guage how meny cents flat or sharp to tune the individual strings. It's usually the dreaded B string! I have a strat that prefers the B string to be perfectly in tune. The rest of my guitars prefer the B string to be a few cents flat. I also noticed that it's important for the intonation to be adjusted in the playing position. Some guitars, especially neck heavy (SG) need to be adjusted in the playing position. Anyone who says it doesn't matter, just hasn't experienced this type of problem. Wood grading is weird, and depends on the opinion and wood available at the time for manufacturers. I have a Alvarez OM acoustic, that has "standard" grade mahogany, according to Alverez. In actuality, it has an incredibly figured tropical mahogany back, that rivals the best and most expensive figured mahogany I have seen on any instrument, regardless of price. The whole intonation thing can be mind numbing and frustrating to the max!
Absolutely, I suspect it could be fixed w a new nut or saddles, but it's a testament to the bs you might contend with getting a 10k guitar from Gibson! Wild stuff
Excellent point. EVERY guitar should be intonated in the playing position. And 99% of the time tuning issues are improperly cut nut slots. Also, on a hard tail guitar, if a string is sharp you'll see people roll the tuning key BACK to tune down to the correct pitch. ALWAYS tune UP to the note. If there's any binding at all in the nut slots it will go flat the minute you strum if you didn't tune it UP to pitch. A properly cut bone nut will not bind and will not require lubrication.
@@maxpeck4154 listen to max ladies and gentlemen. He speaks the truth 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I accept that lol.
@@maxpeck4154 🤘🤪🤘
I love the tone of lp when its got one. I have my custom lp honey burst on the wall. I cant compare it with my 3 ESP eclipse that are out of this world when im playing them. I dont get whats the problem with Gibson 😭. Great video dude, u rock 🤘🤘🤘
Thank you for watching, happy holidays!
Where's the live chat comments? I mentioned after you broke it it's now worth 2000.00! And I know where you can find a Gibson les paul custom pearl white plays in tune!! Lol 😆
Haha maybe you didn't watch the premier? Not sure. I bet you yours blows this one away
Yeah man... I played a Custom Shop Fender that was listed at $4,200. It had the same janky tuning issues, sadly. My buddy who works at that shop is the shop's luthier and he said they had intonated it, done a full setup (and it felt great) and did literally everything they could do to it, and it never sounded right. We swapped the neck out for a used, old beat up MIM Strat neck, and it played great, no tuning issues.
The frets were worn on the MIM, meaning there was less pitch modulation when fretted. For that Gibson, I might recommend re-crowning the frets and go up a gauge on the strings. Might make a big difference. I know, you shouldn't have to do that on a 10,000 guitar, but if I were the tech in charge of making that guitar playable, those are the first two things I would do.
It's the nut, an even stupider, easier fix! Making a video about it! Subscribe and stay tuned 😉
I tried and tried to enjoy a Gibson, but was wonky too. So, after a few returns, I ended up with a PRS SE, and it plays perfect. It wasn't about the price, it was about what played well. Surprised me.
The problem is that after gibson went bankrupt in 2015 they let most of their tenured people go. They have so so many quality control issues because they can't keep up with production. Their good guitars are some of the best but there are so many stupid mistakes coming out of their factory because of lack of experience at this point. PRS makes hands down the most consistent instruments on the market. Subscribe and join the madness Ben 🙌
I've always eyed prs as the guitar I'd buy if i bought a nice guitar
My guitar guy literally pulls the hell out of each string whenever he changes a set to FULLY stretch them out.
Those strings could be causing the problem- not the hardware.
Just discovered your channel and subscribed.
I def spent about 30 mins messing with and intonanmting this guitar Robert. It's totally the nut. Not a hard problem to solve but an incredibly lame one on a guitar this expensive with less than 4 hours on it. Thanks for subscribing and joining the madness
That is not the fault of the strings. Anybody could see that.
All Gibson's suffer from the G string tuning problem. I've started putting Graph Tech XL nuts in my Customs...and they work!
Not true, I have plenty plenty of gibsons that keep perfect tune without grap tech, although I have them on one of my gibson elegants. The g string is always the culprit!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist while I accept that not all Gibson's suffer from lack of tuning stability, most do. I've lost count of how may Gibsons I've owned...loved everyone, but they don't stay in tune well. The slightest change in temperature puts all strings out, and the G string is just the Achilles heal...Les Paul Standards, Customs, SG's, (which are just hopeless because of the whole body to neck weight ratio), V's, Explorers, Howard Roberts Fusions, 335's owned and played both at home and live in both England and Canada, have all failed to stay in tune. I have two guitars that are awesome tuners, a 2019 355, and a 2016 Martin D45. With regard the Graph Tech nuts, I've put them on 4 of my Customs, and, funnily enough, no tuning issues. The issue is, as you say, mainly with the nuts, which catch the strings. My usual "fix" was to tune past pitch then bend the bejesus out of the string then take it back up. The Graph Techs lubrication doesn't need this move. Sorry to go on, but while your experience may be that way, I've had 35 years worth of experience with 98% of my Gibsons being awful at staying in tune.
My 1957 Gibson Les Paul Goldtop reissue that I bought in 2000 arrived to me with a host of set up issues and yes, a badly cut nylon nut. I had a bone nut fitted immediately and paid for a proper set up. This solved the issues.
@@fretboardmaster70 I’m a total convert to replacing the nut. On the Customs I’ve replaced them on there have been no issues, catching strings, any of that stuff.
A high price does not always guarantee high quality.
1000% accurate Gary! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
I'm not a big fan of the Ultimas TBH. It's just like they loaded it with whatever they could, without the finished product in mind. Some cool inlays in the standard spots would have looked much cleaner than the full fretboard inlay, in my opinion. I'd prefer to just get a nice M2M for the money.
I'd prefer to get an amazing vintage les paul or 3 awesome guitars for the money and just buy one used. This was a dream guitar for me, but it's gotta be able to stay in tune and get thrashed and still sound good. You can tell that even if this were setup perfect that you'd have to play with more finesse than I choose to. Beautiful guitar and it sounds amazing acoustic, so if someone spent the time, she could be a lifer. Just not the way she came from Gibson
Ok, first I want you to know I am not in anyway biased. I have 3 Gibsons and I own 17 electric guitars. But here is the deal, my Les Paul was bought for considerably less than it was worth because it didn't play or stay in tune. But really it had 3 issues. 1: The top nut was to high. 2: The top nut was pinching the strings while tuning and letting them slide through while playing. 3: The intonation had not been set at the lower bridge. Took me 2 tries to get a new bone top nut right. Then set the intonation. Then lubed the nut with graphite. Sounds great , plays like a dream. Now I would expect the guys and gals making a $10,000 Gibson to do that work before you get the darn thing. But I also would have expected them to do it on my retail $5000 custom that I bought for a thousand bucks before the owner threw it in a wood chipper.
You 10000% encapsulate my feelings on Bob's guitar and that's actually 100000% what's wrong with it. 🙌
Maybe a string change is in order 🤔
I'd say so but he put less than 4 hours on the guitar and the strings felt nice. I would have changed them if they were even remotely old or crappy feeling.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist ive had new packs in the past with bad strings but it's rare mostly the g string
@@rcjoe406 it's always the g string 🤪
I had this issue with a guitar I haven't payed in years. Did you change the strings? That fixed my problem
They still have the strings it came with. Less than 4 hours of play. I suspect a wonky fret but what started off as guitar porn turned into a studio nightmare video lpl
Hi bud, I'm from Argentina and I´m looking for some help. I bought a 96 Gibson Nighthawk, and the previous owner, installed a preamp circuit on it, so I'm looking for pictures of the wiring or schematics info that help me turning back to the original settings! Thank´s a lot!
I hope the schematics I sent helped! Rock on brother, thats a rad one with the floyd. I have never seen the binding on a headstock of just a standard. Super cool and wild. Please subscribe and join the madness!!!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist thank's a lot buddy, yeah its rad and it rocks, in my country I'd never seen another Nighthawk in my hole life, except for the epiphone and gibson 2010 reissues
@Lucas Punk Rocker not only is that an awesome guitar but that is the rarest version of that guitar. They only made a very very small amount of them w Floyd's from 96-97 and the custom is the hardest to find. I've seen one other one for sale ever. Rock on bro
For that price should come with life time warranty!
It should mow my lawn, too!!! 🙌
The finish on the top is wavy as hell, watch the reflections
Totally. It's amateur and that's def because of gibsons increased output but no increase in xperienced people and quality control. Subscribe and join the madness mark!
Subscribed ! He strummed a G chord and instead of a glorious ring of sustain and intonation it went (thud) 🤨🤔
Accurate. But even worse, it sounded sorta in tune and as the overtones set in it begins to make your skin crawl if you have even close to perfect pitch.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Totally great playing Btw Happy Holidays from Newport Beach, CA. 🌊🤙🏿
Did you try to intonate it? Saddles look zigzag staggered but hard to see.
What's annoying me with the high end Les Pauls is that the knobs are floating so high over the top on mile high pot stems. WHY? Can we call Mark Agnesi and ask why? Look as a PRS CU24; knobs are flush and even sunk into the top! So classy.
When in doubt, and nothing else seems to work, try brand new strings. Then if the problem remains it may require additional troubleshooting by a good Luthier. (IMHO)
I spent about 10 mins with a strobe tuner. It looked wonky but they were giving me octaves right on the mark. I'm not an expert but I do have 170+ guitars, most of which I setup myself. If there's some weird bend in the neck or a fret is doing something crazy, it's outta my pay grade. If this were my guitar I would have stopped the video and spent 2-3 hours getting to the bottom of it. Instead, it turned into an exemplification of what makes a guitar a nightmare.
Haha damn! I have a feeling Bob will be just fine though, Im sure he's got a bunch of other actual player guitars.
He's got all super nice instruments. The video on sat is another one of his axes
My $800 Les Paul studio has the same tuning issues. Love the way that guitar looks and feels but I honestly don't want to take it out to a gig. I have a Yamaha SG that stays in tune dead on ALL the time. What's the deal with Gibson anyway? Agree if you pay that much money for an instrument it should be PERFECT.
Check the nut on your gibson. It might need to be recut and that'll change your world! Thanks for watching Vince and subscribe and join the madness
I just love when I strum an E, and it sounds great, then I switch to a G and there's something 'off'. So I retune it to make the G sound right, and then the E sounds off....but I've never owned and electric that cost more than like $300...so I had to deal with it, or learn to intonate it myself, which I eventually did. Its got to be disappointing to own a guitar that costly and that beautiful only to hear those noises coming out of it when it's plugged in
That's def a nut or fret issue. Easy fixes and def worth getting a guitar that's does both solidly. Subscribe and join the madness adam!!!
you got it!
Ooof. Failure to maintain intonation is a no go for me. Instant return.
I am sure if I spent another hour digging into why it's messed id discover the neck has a weird bend or a fret needs leveling or something, but for 10k I shouldn't be doing that. It has less than 4 hours playtime and sits in a humidified display case so no excuse
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist lol no refunds
@Charles Wagner he could have when he got it but he stuck it in a display case, which many people on this thread seem to think is where it belongs.
I the string height to the pickups correct. If the height is to close it will sound out of tune. It may just be one or two pole screws are out to far. Or it could be in the nut not being cut deep enough
There's a bunch of reasons (including those) why it could be doing that, but this became a testament to quality control at gibson considering it has less than 4 hours play time on it. It's also not my guitar, and I have enough of my own to setup!
Thank you Bob for sharing the beautiful guitar.
I had the same fear when I bought my PRS Private Stock.
It would look absolutely breathtaking, but wouldn’t sound or play as well.
Thankfully that wasn’t the case this time.
Scary to buy a guitar before actually playing one.
I always buy guitars from the internet, so that's one of the downfalls. That said, if you get it at the right price it doesn't matter. You can always dump it. This guitar would go fast for the right price
I so much agree. I got my Les Paul off Ebay. A 97 ebony studio with ebony fretboard. $800. Was so scared I got a lemon. Well that was 12 yrs ago and it worked out great. My guitar was and is everything I've liked about a Gibson and none of the trouble I've heard about Les Paul's. But I've changed a lot on this 1. It came with 496/500 pups and Schaller straplocks and best of all a chainsaw case. Now it has Kluson locking tuners, Tusc XL nut, Tonespro locking bridge, alum tailpiece, CTS 500k pots, 50's wiring and Switchcraft switch and jack. Everything in gold like was stock and I had to rub some wear into the proper places. Now with the cream colored plastic it just looks like a old classic Paul.
@sparkyguitar 00 I always say that the Less fancy guitars fight for tone. I have met many a studio that destroys customs. You get the opulence here but it's missing the magic you have in your 800 studio 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Right ,you can see the maple 2 piece cap cause of wear. I couldn't take that guitar out of the house cause of value and worry. Mine is a work horse tool whatever you want to call it. I quit worrying about scratches and such but do worry about breaking the neck just cause it's the only Les Paul I've ever gotten along with. I'm a Strat guy 1st and my current Strat I've owned since 96. It's my 3rd Strat in life and I'm still trying to tell if it's a keeper.
@sparkyguitar 00 100% I buy guitars to play them. Not to just oogle at them. That's why these are always the same price, they're for people that want to flex or hang on a wall. Let's see a relicd Ultima
WTF is wrong with Gibson? They used to be one of the market leaders when it comes to guitars. But these past years gibson released so much sh*t, it's not even funny anymore.
Here's a little back story:
I went to a local guitarstore here in germany and said: Listen, here's 3k. Blindfold me, hand me 5 different guitars. I'm gonna walk out with the guitar that i feel the most comfortable with.
They handed me 2 gibson les pauls(1.3k-ish + 2.9k-ish), 1 paul reed smith (1k-ish) an ibanez (~500ish) and a fender.
Guess what i felt most comfortable with? It was the ibanez. It stayed perfectly in tune, felt great, sounded great and looks great.
So i was curious: "What guitars did you hand me?" and one of the les pauls was my absolute dream guitar that i ALWAYS wanted to own and now guess what: It was my least favourite guitar of them all. I had to retune it after each bend, there was no punch to the sound, the neck felt kinda awkward.. I was so sad. But on the other hand i got an ibanez that i'm still lucky to own now..
Gibson just isn't what it used to be anymore...
I'll tell u. And realize I just interviewed one of the plant managers who worked at gibson for over 25 years the same question. Many of their tenured workers were laid off when gibson went bankrupt. They have a super high output of guitars. Over covid they sold 60k guitars, 10k of which were returned damaged. They didn't have close to the team to rectify that amount of problems. They lost hundreds of years of experience. There are still great people at gibson, but so so many of the people that gave their years to that company no longer work there and you can see it in the abhorrent quality control. Subscribe and join the madness tino 🙌
With all the commenta here on gibson, just wondering if epiphone has the same issues? I really want a les paul but don't want to spend that much money on a gibson especially if these issues exist.
Epiphones are made in different factories. They have issues like gibson but not even close to the level or as aggregious. Gibson is falling apart. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
I have a guitar like that. Not that exact brand. But one that has tuning issues. What I do is tune it from fret 12. Then find as close as I can the tuning for open strings.
But why let that fly on a 10k guitar. It's a testament to ridiculous quality control. All it needs is a new nut melanie!!! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
Keep tokin' bro !
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Lol. Been a Strat style guy all my life. In 1984 I Had a chance to buy a 76 black beauty custom from a friend that thought it was too heavy weight wise. $650 with the case. Had the same issue as the Ultima. Would not hold tune on the G and the high E. As far as investment wise, I kick my self in the ass every few years when I see the prices for mid 70s Les Paul customs but I still have and love love love my Strats and Teles.
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Your first mistake was expecting a Les Paul to play in tune.
I hear you, but at the same time I've have 20+ les Paul's that all play in tune. But that's also because I buy used. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
I'm not saying this is what you're doing here, but a guy I used to know could not seem to be able to get his guitar in tune. He would use his tuner, then mine, just to make sure. Then he'd play it, and again, it was out. Eventually, I said to give me a go. I played some chords, and it was perfectly fine and in tune. I gave it back, and he'd play the same chords, and again it was out. I told him that he was the issue, not the guitar. He would bend one or more of the strings while playing chords. He got mighty upset about that, but the evidence was clear. Some players unknowingly do this, so their guitar always sounds out of tune.
Oh yeah man, some people literally have no relative pitch. My snark isn't as accurate as my ears are at this point. Subscribe to join the madness 🙌
Flashy AF but what a waste. You’d figure if you’re going to lay out 10k you’d get more than that. I’d send it back to Gibson and tell em to fix it. 🤔
If it were my guitar I would have returned it in the first place
I had a similar issue with an Ibanez bass I had; it turns out that the neck was constantly changing (warping one way and then the other) because of environmental issues - heat, cold, humidity, barometric pressure, etc. I could never get it in tune, and finally sold it back to Guitar Center (where I bought it) for 1/4 of what I paid for it. I just feel bad for anyone else who might have bought it...
Thank God you were able to get that lemon outta your life. This thing just needs a new nut, but that's ridiculous quality control issues on a guitar worth as much as a used car
That's crazy. I have a Mexican fender from 1998 and I quit playing guitar there for a while and that Mexican fender sat in the garage in a case of course for three whole years. A non climate controlled garage in Indiana. Then it clicked in my head that that guitar was in my dad's garage and I was like yeah that thing's destroyed. I opened up the case it looked just like the day that I left it I picked it up and strummed it and it was still in tune and it was still set up exactly the way it was 3 years ago and the neck needed no adjustment. Absolutely blew my mind. A good guitar is a good guitar oh and mind you it has a maple neck not roasted maple which is known to be better for humidity and climate changes but my maple neck had absolutely no problems.
I do not recommend you putting a guitar in a garage for 3 years absolutely under no circumstances do I recommend that I'm just saying that I did it and the guitar had zero issues. If you buy a guitar and it's already having problems like that it's a piece of crap
@@beefnacos6258 thats why bc its a fender a squire strat beats any gibson
My 2023 Les Paul Limited Edition/Chicago Blue was an open box purchase and I can say without hesitation it doesn't Stay in the Case! They Did themselves proud with this modern addition
Sounds rad to me Adam! Thank you for watching, please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
The finish looks "wobbly" or "wavy". The reflections of light on the finish doesn't look smooth.
Agreed. The quality control is ridiculous. Subscribe to join the madness
I once saw Unknown Hinson smash one of those guitars over Screamin' Leamon's head...a dastardly act indeed
After this video it seems less dastardly doesn't it Ricky? Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Indeed!
is that when Screaming Leamon had amnesia. and spent all his money in Atlantic City. Very Tragic
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@@billypainter3715 you both are referencing something I don't know about. Fill me in
Every other manufacturer has dialed in their Les Paul models expect for Gibson. Most guitars will give you diminishing return, but Gibson can’t even nail the basic set up. I understand wanting to keep things traditional, but at what point is a company gonna keep producing an antiquated design for a premium price and expect to remain competitive.
They have incredible quality control issues. Their good guitars are still the best guitars but its stupid what gets out. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
B string by any chance..I've had a few Les Pauls that keep slipping out of tune on the B..I filed the nut, Bridge work etc... Nothing, soon as you give it some work it gives up..
My current Les Paul is ok, but I've heard it's hit and miss on certain Les Pauls..
It's definitely a nut issue. I'm going to do a video where I address the problems with it. Stay tuned and please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
It sounds like they misaligned the fretboard when they glued it on. I have a super cheap acoustic (more like a toy guitar) that sounds like that, I have to tune it to play individual chords. All it takes is a fraction of a millimeter sharp or flat and the guitar is totally unplayable.
It's totally the nut it needs to be recut. Super lame!!! Subscribe and join the madness
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Yeah, I saw that in the earlier comments it's probably the nut and I've got no reason to disagree with them. The reason I said something is because it looked like you were getting the same off key sound playing further up the fretboard as you did playing near to the nut. I've had a bunch of guitars with undercut nut slots and what would happen is the further away you went from the nut, the better it sounded as the pitch-up effect becomes less severe. You know what you were playing so I can't say for sure what I'm seeing but if you were getting that sound everywhere and adjusting the bridge saddles didn't work, either the neck is twisted or the frets are out of alignment (it's like sticking a 24.75" scale neck on a 25.5" guitar.
I’ve bought a number and Gibsons over the years. Les Pauls and SGs. The all had tuning issues and I tried all the fixes and although I made them better they still never played in tune with thier price tags. I sold all of them and play teles. Even my cheap CV tele stays in tune. I know the headstock angle is a big part of the problem with tuning stability. But common Gibson. This video just brought back the nightmare.
Haha Joe, I know! You'd think they'd compensate the nut. That's all it needed. That said, I have 50+ gibsons that all stay in tune! Subscribe and join the madness
That g string not tuning...its like you know my existence.
It needed a better cut nut! Stay tuned for the follow up video Francis! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
The tuning issue is like what we went through with a reissue 1986 SG g string out of tune
It's def a nut issue and can be fixed by a luthier but a really lame mistake to let a guitar leave the factory like that
My 1979 Guild S-65-D was $330 new with tax and hard case. Pure mahogany solid body with a DiMarzio humbucker and a coil split switch, volume and tone. It was the first and only guitar I have ever owned that was in tune and tuneable... I apologize for telling that story ...
Don't. There's no reason why any guitar should come from the factory like this Garth, especially a 9800 one. That said, it's an easy fix. Thanks for watching and please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
when i was 16 i had a schecter that was 25% abalone with fire inlays. i did a tag swap at the pawn shop and paid 50$ for it, 15 years later its long gone and i dont think ill ever be able to afford purchase another guitar with that much trim
Do you ever looked used? If it matters to you enough you'll make it happen! You control YOU
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist i have looked around and found different variants on that model on the used market, im hoping i can find one that needs repair, i like to soup em up anyways.
This is happening to me right now with my two Epiphone Les Paul customs I checked everything the neck, the tuners so basically I figured it out. It is the nuts.
you're not nuts!
This is a big problem with almoust all Gibsons,,the bend of the headstock make problem to the nut,i just sold my the day after i bouth it
It seems to have triggered a bunch of gibson owners who have gone through the same thing. Basic problems on 10k guitars. Totally stupid
need that one for my cover band
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@@TheNeuroticGuitarist no i am missing fingertops on my fret hand . whats your excuse ?
That guitar sounds dead like the plywood bullet Strat I got when I was 11. You clearly know what you’re doing so it’s not you. When Gibson nails it, they nail it. When they miss, like with this guitar, it’s just painful.
It is pretty painful. I'm probably gonna have to get her fixed on video and then give her a proper review but this was definitely a depressing video to make, but also very revealing. I also agree that Gibsons good guitars are some of the very best. I have so many that I love. This just wasn't one of them
LOL PRS does that for half the money AND it's a playable instrument! Meanwhile my $149 Squier FSR Bullet Tele stays in tune and has been so since releasing it from the box!
You're not wrong. Prs makes the most consistent instrument on the market. Subscribe and join the madness Devin
That's disgusting. It's sad that Gibson sell junk like this at such a rip off price to devoted people like us. Even paying 1500 for a junior, it took years before it could hold its tune
Their quality control is just total BS. Subscribe and join the madness Julian! 🙌 thanks for watching
It wasn't designed to be played! No one, not Townsend, Page, Clapton, etc. Would ever actually play this guitar on a gig.
It's DECORATION.
By the way your kid needs braces and a back brace. We take M/C and Visa.
Put it back in the wooden case on the wall.
Haha, but thay decoration should STILL BE SETUP RIGHT FROM THE FACTORY. The irony is that 3/4 dentists won't play it long enough to notice. I wanna see one of these that's beat up from actually getting played, not a headstock injury from a lawyer who knocked it off his lounge chair at his summer home. Subscribe and join the madness Craig
Did the same mistake. Went from ibanez to a gibson lp standard, got really disappointed and spent a lot of money. Ergonomics and playability > looks and history
The thing is Marcelo is that you have to find the good ones and those ones blow away pretty much everything for me. I have over 50 gibsons and have literally only kept guitars that people go nuts over. I have had tons of duds and have traded them all. So the consistency on ibanez is insane. Japanese wizards. But the coolest ibanez will never have more butter, which is where I live for leads, than a great les paul! Subscribe and join the madness, my friend
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Yeah, thanks for the feedback! But now I'm breaking my bank account with prestige/JC Custom Ibanez; Music man and Suhr. So far haven't been disappointed with these brands.
I saw 2 Gary Moore Les Pauls back around 1990. The first one was in the catalogue, it had a totally unbelieveable book matched bird's eye top. Its price had been the price of 5 or 6 Standards at that time. The 2nd one was ordered for a collector. It had a three-piece top, the pieces were not matched at all, only the center piece had a few bird's eyes. It looked like a cheap copy, and it sounded dull.
Tell me something new about Gibson...
They have always made incredible guitars and highly inconsistent guitars. Subscribe and join the madness Martin 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Done!
@@martin_schwarz rock on brother, I appreciate u, welcome!
It looks like something that might be hanging up in a lottery winner’s house. One that doesn’t play guitar.
Or a pilot, like Bob? But he plays. But this one stays in a display case not played. So accurate. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
I wonder if the inlay work was outsourced to a hack when it came to lutherie…
Poorly positioned fret slots? Maybe a Plek job would correct for that a little… repositioning the fret crowns just slightly.
I'm pretty sure it's the nut but it's just silliness that it has these problems right out of gibson.
I had someone bring me a PRS that was a tuning "misbehavior" beast.... putting lube in the nut solved it. Most new guitars regardless of who made them benefit for a bit of lube at the the nut.
It needs an entirely new nut, but you're 10000% right. Making a video about it. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
It's all that wacky stuff on the fretboard
Haha, I wish it were just the inlay, it's DEF the nut! That's what she said, right? 🤪
I'd literally rather have a schecter c1 classic. I like fancy looking guitars sometimes too but to me, the c1 classics with the abalone vine of life is beautiful. That or a high end Jem. When it comes to Les Pauls, I'm a flame top or tuxedo guy.
The c1 is one of the most consistently beautiful and great playing overseas guitars that there is. It's so lame gibson has these QC issues and you have millions of C1s and I've never heard a single one not play and sound ridiculous. But the best gibsons still beat all. That's the thing. Which is why I always always buy used.
Schecter always seem to knock it out of the park when it comes to quality control and making a good playing guitar right out of the box for a price that won't break the bank. I've always wondered why they aren't more popular.
@@tjsogmc definitely. Schecter makes great guitars. I think they're not as popular because, when they first started making a name for themselves, they were promoting their less expensive models most. Guitar players are snobs in a way. Lol but you're right, they have awesome quality control, and I'm always impressed when I get my hands on one. I think they're starting to gain traction because asian guitars are finally being recognized for what they are. I've got over 20 guitars, and my Korean stuff is some of my favorites. Schecter, Ltd, dean, I've ever got a Korean Epiphone Les Paul. That guitar is amazing. It was made where the schecter and Ltds are made. Anyway, I'm rambling, but I absolutely agree with your comment.
The top on that guitar catches the light like a chibson - it is super wavy while the other ones you held up are not. Pickups also sound like shit - are you sure it isn’t a fake?
It's 1000% not a fake and is 100000% an example of absolutely BS quality control at gibson and an exemplification that the price of a guitar doesn't necessarily determine how good it is. Subscribe and join the madness Vince 🙌
It might be the nut. I had a custom guitar built for me made of all sorts of exotic wood and the nut was the problem. I could not get this thing to stay in tune. I brought it to my local luthier here in Salem mass and right away, he knew it was the nut.  It was not cut deep enough. It was a five minute fix, and there after it is almost always in tune especially if it’s picked up and played a lot.  I know you are very familiar with guitars, but I would bring this to a luthier and see if they can do something with it. I wouldn’t just cast it aside especially if you think it sounds good acoustically.
It's not my guitar. I know exactly what could be wrong with it and Bob has asked me to do a video on it where I bring it to my guy. I have never said I didn't know what's wrong or how to fix it, the point is that this came from Gibson at a cost of 10k and has less than 4 hours play time on it. Let that sink in
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I agree a $10,000
Guitar should be flawless. Playable and cosmetically flawless. I just got a new LP STD 60’s slim taper neck…$3000 and it has cosmetic issues…Gibson butchered the hole where the pick guard is horribly. I take mine off because it just looks better as I know you agree. I guess my point was that unless it can’t be fixed I wouldn’t say it’s unplayable. The guitar is very unique.
@@michaeldemarco899 I don't understand why there's so many quality control issues with them. I always buy everything used. I think I have purchased one new gibson in my life.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I don’t know either but it wasn’t bad enough to send back because she sounds brilliant. Sweetwater also took a chunk of money off for it so I took it! If I could upload a pic here I would.
@Michael DeMarco that's awesome man, I always love when it works out. I have crapped on Sweetwater but they really do have great service
Collectors of guitars do the same thing collectors of British motorcycles did, put them out of reach for working class musicians. Quality control with Gibson is still a crap shoot based on my personal ownership and what I've seen hanging on the walls in quite a few stores over the years. I seriously doubt I will ever buy another Gibby there are other guitars with higher quality build for less. If you pay 10k in todays money, that brick you feel hit the back of your head, is your change. Like the old saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute. When I listen for tone, playability, and quality control, I am reminded what an engineer once said, bling doesn't make a great recording, it's in the hands and ears.
100% randy. But it's a sad testament to the quality control at gibson and the people that don't think it should be at least a functional work of art have set the bar too low. I have 50 gibsons and they're all awesome. I also bought 48 of them used. Cheers randy and please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
'Some guitars are fussy' Such a good quote (bridge height?) ...'we're not looking at porn, we're looking at guitars' 💎
Hahaha it's totally a nut problem, I suspect. I'm gonna do an episode where myself and my guy Steve go through it and make her play right, then give her a proper review.
my LP supreme was junk. Needed an earvana just to get it resonably in tune.
Really? I have yet to encounter a supreme I didn't like! Gibsons quality control is ridiculous. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
The elegant for $1399? Where? I want in lol. Sad that a $9800 guitar has such a major issue. Enjoyed your video! Ya of course I sub'd!
The standard premium plus was 1399 (I actually think it was 1299). Man, if they had supremes for that cheap I'd go out of my mind. Got great deals on mine but not THAT great, as much as I'd like to take credit. Thanks for joining the madness
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist do you recall which store had that standard premium plus? Ide be interested in future aquasition similar to that and Ide like to contact them. Thank you. And yes Im glad I found your channel.
Unplayable? It's kind of ugly, too.
Just my 2 cents, but I've always personally thought that Sunburst (especially in tones of orange) look sort of cheap.
Then again... I'M CHEAP.
I played professionally for thirty years and refused to pay more than $500-$600 for a guitar... In fact, most of my instruments are "worth" about a whole $300 apiece, IF THAT.
When I started out, I had a beautiful vintage Gretsch 6120 stolen at a gig. I replaced it with a really fancy Guild archtop electric.
That one grew legs and walked away at a gig in NYC back in the early Nineties.
After that... No more.
In fact, I have several of those "I'm a sucker for a cheap guitar" tee shirts 🤣
Not unplayable, that's clickbait hyperbole from my director. Unusable is more like it. I hear ya on the cheap guitars, I've had many absolute gems, but I'm also a collector so I love them all, but point taken. Subscribe and join the madness Andrew 🙌
The G string issue is due to the poor head stock design of the Les Paul's. It has to do with the severe angle the G-string has from the tuner to the nut. They need to re-design their head stocks so the strings pull straight through the nut to the tuners. Or include a string butler with their guitars.
You're not wrong. I.e it needs a compensated nut Bradley. Ding ding ding. You win. Subscribe!
The lack of smoothness of the finish on the Ultima's top, and its general appearance, makes me think it's a Chibson. It really looks like that.
It's not a chibson. All the chibsons copy this model in particular. Despite the poorly cut nut there's no question it's a Gibson and very high quality
Judging by the various les Paul’s I’ve played over the years, that’s a feature, not a bug. The shorter instruments get, the more difficult intonation becomes. Fender makes some awful instruments too, but they got the scale right at least. Btw, The buddy I have who sounds best on Les Paul’s never uses a tuner. He’s got a good enough ear and enough experience to average it out. I wouldn’t say it’s perfect, but it’s good enough.
It's totally a poorly cut nut nick! I will be doing a separate episode addressing the issues with this axe. Subscribe and stay tuned! 🙌
The best Gibson Les Paul will beat anything, but PRS won't let you down, when you buy one, you'll be happy with it. Better quality for the money, better craftsmanship, better ergonomics. They sound great.
I say this all of the time. Verbatim. I have 40 prs btw. Subscribe and check it out brother! Right on
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I have 3, an SE. an S2, and custom core anniversary, I love them, I didn't buy them to replace my Les Paul. But my Les Paul is one of the good ones. You don't have to worry about that with PRS. They are so much more comfortable to. I used to to think the whole PRS thing was a Lotta hype. Then I played one, I can't remember the last time I was so excited and happy to be wrong LOL.
@My account I remember the first time I saw one and knew it was the guitar I needed. When I first got signed I got a custom 22 and literally slept with it in my college dorm room. Santana always says prs makes the most consistent guitar. Hands down the truth and I feel most home on a custom 24. That said, the best les Paul's are some of my favorite guitars but I have yet to find a prs I truly didn't like...except for the silver sky nebula. That thing was stupid. But in over 100 prs' that I've owned, only 2 or 3 have sounded dead and they still played perfect. One of them was my second custom 22 and when I changed the pups it came right to life. Paul is here to stay
Sounds like your playing on a floyd rose that keeps going out of tune and those pick ups sound sooo muddy
The nut is totally messed on this. This guitar is a bummer. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
Clear on that top makes it look like shit, in the beginning. Like it wasn’t finished sanded. Maybe I don’t know shit about high end though.
A lot of people have been saying that. I spent a bunch of time fixing her up today to do a second video and a proper review. Its actually the waviness of the wood, but the top isn't that great looking. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
The frets are not in the right place. They only have to be a little off to do that s*** to you. I've been through the same thing with a few guitars and I build guitars so I know what the problem is. Bad craftsmanship when they put the frets in. I am seeing this more and more with Gibson.
It's the nut on this one but the frets will do that, too. Either way, it's a lame testament to gibson quality control. Subscribe and join the madness Jay 🙌
Mine set me back 3.000 dollars and it's amazing.
You have an ultima? This one needs a new nut, which I'm gonna shoot a video about and then give her a proper demo. The finish is also wavy, so it's def bs quality control more than the guitar. It has 57s which are my favorite.
@The Neurotic Guitarist it's a standard 60s
I got it just because I always wanted one. My main guitar is a ibanez 540s costum made and it's ben whit me for 30 years
I guess these models have their market, but if I'm going to spend 10 large on an Les, it's gonna be a 68 or 69.
Bro, 1000000% you could get multiple incredible vintage les Paul's for that price. That play awesome. That have nuts that are cut properly so it can be intonated lol subscribe and join the madness Juno 🙌
That’s a pretty common symptom of an improperly cut nut. Did you even think to check that?
Of course because that's what it is but that's another video and also not something I would do myself. I can do a basic setup but I'm not cutting the nut on someone else's guitar. It's just a testament to poor quality control at gibson. Subscribe and join the madness
Do you know how to set up a les Paul? Or do you just strum a G chord and yell?
I do both! Fyi hank, this guitar needs a new nut. It's not just a setup problem. I'd like to think im more than a strummer but hey, I'll make ya a deal, go to www.lostsymphony.com and listen to my band and if you think I'm just a strummer I owe ya lunch 😘
Sensitive?
I have 3 Gibsons and an epi and band mate has les Paul’s as well and they All have this issue. Yet the world hasn’t come to an end. Then again I only play the major third a D cowboy position when there’s a full moon. And have to tune often if playing full triads live. I guess I don’t know this better life that supposedly exists.
I have 50+ gibsons and NONE of them have this issue. It's a bad nut, so it can easily be remedied. But I'm also a music producer and you simply can't record songs that out of tune, it makes for poopie recordings. Happy new year and please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
Unfortunately,......"The Crimson" models aren't really supposed to be played imo. There case queens. No more time is spent on a$5,000 Custom and an Ultima. I played a red one with the butterfly inlays straight off the FEDX truck. Brand new at my local guitar store Murlins Music World here in Maryville Tennessee. I was then,...and still am now, blown away by how average that guitar performed. I believe it was $8500 or $9500. I can't honestly remember. Hell,...my poor beat up 2014 USA San Dimas Charvel hardtail absolutely destroyed it in terms of playability, resonance, and stability. Just another Gibson cash grab imo. I love a good Led Paul. However,....I've played core line Standards that were way better. There beautiful though.
If you check my next video that comes put sat, it's on a Mexican strat. It ABSOLUTELY blew away this guitar and the 8k M2M Bob left me. I loved that strat so much that I recorded a whole song with it. I love gibsons and they are some of my favorite guitars but I've heard 10000 stories like yours. Super lame! Happy holidays and thanks for being a part of what I do molly! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
That 3A and 5A rating stuff is just crap. The marketing department came up with the scale, and they can say it is whatever they want. Either way, I'd rather have my JET Earlewood. The one to the left.
Oh, for sure it is. Just like 10 tops are crap with PRS! Totally inconsistent
It sounds strange and its tuning drifts randomly
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It looks lumpy when the light reflects off the wood, almost like how a cymbal is covered with dimples from being hammered into shape.
You're not wrong. The amount of things noticed on this video is amazing. Fortunately, Bob has dropped her back off from her wall case and I'm gonna get to the bottom of this.
Your pickups maybe wire out of phase.Backwards wiring.
Nope, it's not the pickups. Def the nut.