I'll never understand how Gibson get away with charging what they do for their guitars. There are so many superior instruments out there for less money. The power of branding never ceases to amaze me.
I can, because a les paul never goes out of style and the best gibsons are still the best guitars. It's just too bad their quality control and attention to detail is ridiculous. Thanks for watching Mr cynical, I hope you'll subscribe 😊
Yep PRS comes to mind. Even their made over seas models are QC’d before shipping out of or in US. I’m a huge Gibson fan. Always have been but it is disappointing that the prices go up and quantity goes down. I’ve had very few issues with my 2020-2021 custom shop guitars but did have heavy binding bleeding on my 58 CS Les Paul Standard and a couple of lose screws but I can live with that. Still you’d think they’d check and not just push it out the door. We’ll see what the future holds for Gibson.
The guitar looks like an art piece more than an instrument. Congrats to Bob for having such disposable income and hopefully can enjoy it to the max and get his money's worth.
$8K and the paints not right and barely sounds better than my $250 Junior yes it’s modified with Seymour Duncan’s and got “high integerty” hardware Cookie points to whoever gets my “high integerty” parts reference
A few months back I finally received my LP custom in white. I had to return it based on so many Q.C. errors... paint on the headstock, crooked inlays and had the exact same lacquer problem around the pickups almost as if the body was oversanded. I appreciate that the customs are hand made and each one has variations but there is really no excuses when buffing compound is left of the body. And yes the cases suck. I can relate to your friend.
LOL, buffing compound in the pickup routes. That is one of the ways I'm sure its a Gibson. In 1977 I purchased a then brand new Les Paul Deluxe, and yes, it had budding compound in the pickup cavities. Another weird thing Gibson does, when they belt sand the face of the headstock towards final assembly the belt will often contact the truss rod nut and grind it down! I've seen it often enough to just come to accept it. For some people it is those strange QC quirks that make a Gibson a love/hate relationship thing. (IMHO)
That’s awful. I thought under this new management Gibson was getting its shit together. I’ve been pretty lucky with the few Custom Shop guitars I’ve bought but if someone is custom ordering a guitar and paying a mint to do so you’d think they’d put a bit more effort in. Disappointing to say the least.
@@Richard_Lush that is how I felt about it. I truly think they started his guitar, got it wrong, and then this was another guitar they frankensteined into his. I've seen a similar one almost identical from the custom shop for like 6500
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist that kind of makes sense it’s so different than what he ordered. Wouldn’t put it past them to do that. Well I’m lucky I can’t afford M2M. There’s a RUclips video about these guys who ordered a 50k greenie from the custom shop and the stuff they did for them was nuts. Wined, dinned, flew em out and back. Guess 8-10k doesn’t get their attention.
From Leo: $8K with an agreement to make it to order and the company did not make it even close to right. That is unforgivable. I would be getting the whole price back and they would be paying the court costs. What a horrible, soulless corporation. Sweetwater should not have been on the hook for a single dime, that is 100% gibson failure.
The truth is that Gibson makes incredible guitars. Still the best guitars. It's just crazy how some stuff gets through the cracks. Thats mass production for ya. But I have 50+ gibsons that are to die for so as much as this stuff upsets me I still won't quit them lol. I just won't buy anything new
@@TheNeuroticGuitaristRight! Buy used, support the guys who bought the wrong guitar for them. I am lucky, I build guitars so I can fix a broken or poorly set up Gibson and make it Amazaballs!!🎉🎉
Congrats Bob, a truly beautiful Les Paul. That said, I find it shocking that Gibson CS couldn't get a M2M built correctly. Originally I wondered if the specs being incorrect could some how be the result of the Guitar Center liaison, but when you mentioned the lacquer near the truss rod access I just threw my hands up and SMH. 4:23 "Containment Unit of Amp Souls" ! Freaking Hilarious, and accurate. A totally Rad looking Les Paul, I love, love, love the Abalone. Years ago I had a Luthier build me an R9 husk that I finished myself, I specified all Abalone for the trapezoid fingerboard and headstock inlays, again, I have a sickness for Abalone. Thank You Bob and Benny for sharing this with us, You just don't see Les Paul guitars like this in the wild.
I always suggest letting someone else (like bob) spend the money on a M2M and then snagging it after they're done. I couldn't fathom spending 8k on a Gibson unless it were 50s.
@Bob Cavanaugh Ugh, that Apex would have been crazy cool, especially with the locking nut hardware. I find it amazing that Gibson can build such a beautiful guitar so wrongly. Where it my guitar, I'd still love it just the same, a custom Les Paul in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
@Bob Cavanaugh Bob, indeed a perfect analogy. Funny you would use women to compare. I feel the relationship I have with my guitar(s) to be an individual one, in that each guitar (much like women) is different. Even two of the exact same model and years (like twin sisters) usually provide a different experience when "played". I've found that every guitar needs to be evaluated individually for its strengths and likes (again, much like people). I want to thank you for sharing your girls with us, greatly appreciated Sir. You've exceptional tastes.
You know, for a guitar manufacturer that gets dogged 24-7 the funny thing about Gibson is they never have an overstock but rather a backlog problem. I know, I've worked in the shipping and receiving dept. for 15 years now. We can't get'm out the door fast enough.
For reference, I love and breath gibson. This just turned into a wtf video because of a nut. It's clear gibson has inconsistency issues but the best gibson guitars are still the best guitars. I have over 50. I just wouldn't buy one new.
@Blakjack I've had a few people accuse me of being a Gibson hater on here and that couldn't be anything further from the truth. I just tell it how it is and this experience was enlightening. That said, I just tell people to buy Bob's mistakes, don't be Bob.
I also watch loads of guitar channels, first time this dude has been on my feed. Yet RUclips has been trying to shove useless channels to me. Just proves its not about your associated channels or liked videos huh?
Love the Pearl Jam “Not for you” riff. I love the color Bob originally wanted, the electric blue with the wood grain waves still visible. Gibson clearly didn’t know how to replicate that, or didn’t bother. For $8k, or even $6k I’d be pissed. I love my Gibsons but I always go for the Smartwood Les Pauls because they’re cheap but still have Gibson necks and fantastic bodies, just with a simple Matte finish and no frills/binding. Love this channel 🤘
At this stage, it’s hit or miss, 50/50 odds. People are contemplating the idea of buying Chibsons and putting in the most expensive electronics, tuners, hardware and being nowhere near the Gibson price tag
I'll say it, gibson def fucks up, but none of that comes close to comparing to a great gibson. I'm doing a review on the fixed up Ultima right now! They mess w their quality control but at the end of the day they make the best les paul. Thanks for watching. Subscribe and join the madness RC 🙌
If I spend anything over $2k on a guitar, I want to be absolutely in love with it. I just can't fathom spending that much on a guitar that has that many issues.
@@idiotburns It's less about money and more about the principal... if you are selling a guitar that expensive and don't even bother to conduct a proper quality inspection, it needs to be called out.
@@evirs exactly, if I sell one of my RLJames guitars that I make, I have a customer having issues I will accept it back and do what I can to make it right, but so far I have prevented this from happening and I dont see why Gibson cant quickly remedy this issue.
Does the blue LP you're playing in this video have any tuning problems, or stability issues? (Constantly having to tune it - or resetting the intonation?) I like the video herein, nice job! V⚡
Bob's not completely right, it def took a bunch to get it to stay in tune but as you can hear, it did. I'm not sure I'd rely on it for a gig, but it did play awesome. I had a Mexican strat I was reviewing at the same time you'll see this next week and it stayed in way better tune than either of these gibsons. I literally looked at my director and said "20k in gjbsons and I'd rather play this Mexican strat." I thought I'd never say that. Great guitar but could also stand to have a good setup
Dear Bob! First of all, I would like to give you some friendly advice: Sell that Gibson, buy a used 1994 Gibson Nighthawk with a Floyd, Ebony board and 3 pickups, (the neck joint is slimed down btw) for 2000 max 2500 freedom bucks. Spend the rest of the money. Ps.: You may have to invest 1000 dollars into hard liquor and cigars, these items will help you to slim down, because the body shape of the Nighthawk is a tad smaller then a Les Paul. Keep safe! Smootches: MK
Haha you're totally right except that nighthawk customs with a floyd are way more than 2k if you can find one now! I haven't seen a custom one in 5 years w the floyd. Subscribe and join the madness
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I have one Dude. And there is one for sale in Norway (on reverb) now for 2500 fixed bridge call Bob! I was looking for someone to appraise mine, how much would one cost? (player grade)
@Márton Kovács I have one but it's am st3. You have a cst3 with a floyd? They only made them in 1997. If it's a custom w a floyd even players grade I'd say 3k unless there's a headstock injury. I have 5 hawks, Bob didn't seem thrilled w them
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Yeah I find them hard to date. But I think a Floyd nighthawk would be hard to fake. Did you ever see a knock off? Thanks for the help BTW :D
I was looking at getting a M2M R9/R0 a few years ago. I found an R9 that was right for me, so it didn't happen. I would flip my wig if they sent me the wrong guitar for that amount of money. I love my Gibson reissue guitars(I just got a 64 ES-335) but you have to either play them in person or deal with a shop/person that will take it back. That should NOT be the case with $1000+ guitars, let alone $5k, 6k, $7k, $8k guitars. If Squire can make a dead nuts perfect $400 guitar, Gibson has NO excuse. I really hope Bob is happy with this one. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth about it.
This is why I always say to buy someone else's M2M for half the price. You don't have to wait. You don't get overcharged. And you KNOW exactly what you're getting. Bob's experience hurt my heart and myself and our whole group lived through his agony.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist If it weren’t for our guitar hero’s of the 50’s to 80’s, Gibson would have gone out of business. Gibson knows they trade in emotion, yet they keep fucking up. We should NEVER hear about things like this.
I sure didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. Instead of trying to be funny i should have simply stated that there is great joy in being completely contented with a 300$ guitar. Please accept my sincere apology. Best wishes
10000% but in the defense of gibson, they put out about 20x the amount of guitars and ESP custom shop is even more overpriced than gibson, despite making some of the nicest guitars, 10k+ for a custom shop eclipse is as insane as the ultima. Subscribe and join the madness and let's smoke 3 to the dome bro 🔥 it up!!! 🙌
It was def quacking outta phase at ya. Way way better. But the Ultima really needs to be setup for a fair shot. I will say, I had some tuning issues with this one, too. It was rather fastidious. I do a video on a Mexican strat and it womped both gibsons.
The gold hardware looks great with the blue.However the guitar itself sounds a bit dull, like theres a sheet over the speakers. maybe the strings are old, or the pickups are meant to sound this way?
I don't think it sounds bad but this is def NOT a magic guitar. If I owned this it would not be a go to of the 30+ les Paul's I have. I rate guitars on how much I can dig in and they still sound good. For example, the les paul less plus with 57s I've reviewed a few times is a magic guitar.
I almost went for a made to measure like that. I got the bengal burst instead for 4700$. It was used at sweetwater someone didn't like the color it was mint for 600$ less, I did want blue though but not for 3000$ more
This is one of many reasons why I sold my gibson and haven't ever bought a new one. There are so many more videos out there like this. They don't stay in tune. They should pay their workers better when they're selling guitars for $8000 (sometimes less sometimes much more). The paint jobs on all levels of guitars have been on par with $100 Chinese guitars. If you're getting a $5000+ guitar, the paint should be impeccable. They charge way too much for the custom shop stuff. I can get a custom Kiesel for much less and higher quality. Undoubtedly, Kiesel has more custom options than Gibson. That's not to say Gibson never made a good guitar, but if I received this guitar that I custom ordered and it came in with this many mistakes, I would just return it. Clearly, no effort or care was put into building that guitar that someone spent $8000 on. There are many other luthiers that will build you a custom guitar for way less and put in their best workmanship. This is embarrassing for Gibson, to say the least, and just proves their lack of QC over the past few years, and the effect of how little they pay their workers has on the production quality of their instruments. Shame on Gibson for shipping this to someone without doing the proper QC on a $8k custom guitar.
I don't disagree other than there are plenty of great gibsons, just buy them used for the right price and problem solved. I have never spent anywhere near 8k on any instrument and I have plenty worth way more than this.
If you buy a Gibson, Fender, or PRS you should know that those companies are too big and they have lost their touch. I recommend finding a small guitar business and build your dream guitar knowing the people building your guitar.
It's ALWAYS been a guitar by guitar basis with those companies, all the way back to the 60s. Except prs. They are the most consistent guitar company of this ilk imo. There are horror stories from every company, but I own 40+ prs and have yet to find one that didn't play at minimum pretty awesome.
You can actually see the sanding marks still in the finish. This is hilarious. I'm so happy I learned how to make my own guitars now. I can make every kind of LP you can think of, and then some. Byebye Gibson, Toodaloo!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I wanted a les paul with a purple dye, floating trem, thicker neck than usual, custom inlays, striped ebony board, solid rosewood neck. No Gibson like that exists. That's why I make my own now. I made LP's with carved backs where the top and back are of the same billet, with F-holes and without backplates, lp's with laminated necks, flamed maple binding, etc. Or how about a lp with a 25.5" scale, 22 frets, Ash body, maple neck, trem, 3 singlecoils? Or tele Bridge and 2 singlecoils. No Gibson exists like that.
Sounds better than the other one! Sounds like series/parallel…..not split coil. Much cooler wiring set up, no hum, similar sustain, to series but brighter and a DB or 2 lower in output.
You're right, I just brushed through it because guess what...this one had tuning and setup issues too!!! Please subscribe and join the madness jon!!! 🎸🤘🤘🔥
I’m a huge fan of the 490R & 498T picks ups. I know they have their haters but they’re in my personal top 3 sets. #1 have become the 70’s Buckers they’re putting in the “70’s” V’s & Explorers, then the 490R 498T then the 57 Classic & Classic Plus. I have 3 re-issues an R7 Custom 3 pickup that is absolutely incredible, an R8 that sounds decent & an R9 that I absolutely love as well but CustomBuckers are their own thing as far as I’m concerned.
I think they're great pickups, I have them I'm 3 or 4 different Paul's and they sound killer. Happy holidays russ and please subscribe and join the madness!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist happy Holidays to you and yours as well, thank you! RUclips recommended your channel & I subscribed! The content is pretty great!
@Russ B. MC SGT 0341 thanks man!!!! I read and respond to every comment so know that when you have things to say, whether it's a compliment, a correction or even this sucks, I appreciate it. I love sharing the knowledge and my love for music with other like minded people. Cheers 🍻
After watching hours and hours of videos about Gibson and les paul's i concluded Gibson should not be considered the authority on les pauls. After seeing the series " the les paul that isn't" from SDpickups , i understand Gibson tells to sell stuff which they actually are not selling. When Gibson started to produce les pauls again late 60's begin 70's, they didn't knew how they were made in the 50's late 50's, because Gibson was sold to another company who did not have the know how. Gibson is under fire since the 70's resulting in the lawsuit's era. And after that Gibson fails time after time to produce the quality the customer is paying and asking for. Luthiers nowadays prefer brands like Harley Benton guitars for their built quality. Almost all guitars are well made in these days. Gibson seems to be an exception. 8k guitars and still not what is has to be. I might sell my Gibson Les Paul to buy one from another brand which is more fair.
You're correct. More correct than I can even get into ATM, but I'm working with many previous high ups from Gibson on some more gibsony projects than gibson is capable of. Subscribe and join the madness
I've owned GIbsons, still own a few Fenders and Ricks, my sub $500 Jacksons and Ibanez work great for me, as does my Gittler Titanium. I'm expecting delivery tomorrow for my new Ibanez PS10, since I've been very pleased with my PS120 and two PS60s. Still waiting for Gibson QC to improve; perhaps they can make Fender MIM QC level a goal for 2030? 😁
That actually sounds great. I really do think Gibson needs to show some common sense too with their packaging. They are giving away nicer cases with the bonamassa es 335 epiphone than m2ms. The quality was getting better for a little while but lately it looks like they are just back to letting anything leave the factory again.
Don't insult the les paul studio!!! I think they're some of the best sounding guitars and the fact that they're cheaper les Paul's literally has nothing to do with how could they sound
This sounds so much better than the Ultima. Night and day difference. This is what makes me worried about the Gibson ownership of Mesa Boogie. I have been a Mesa fan boy for 20 years, and I'm afraid they are going to screw things up.
The new management at Gibson is a whole lot better, at least that's what billy gibbons told me a few weeks back. So let's hope. I think the Ultima could have sounded awesome, it wasn't given a fair shake because of the issues. I'll be honest, this guitar took a while to get to stay in tune, as well. I was reviewing a buckethead tribute Mexican strat that same day and it beat both those gibsons in every way. Video should be up this next week. Stay tuned! 🙌
If I pay $8,000??? Ohhhhh it's gonna be the guitar I want. I don't care how long it takes. But,.....in my honest opinion??? I'd rather have a PRS Wood Library. You'll get the exact guitar you pay for. And it will be built to perfection.
We pay extra for flaws. This isn't 1980, a high end CNC machine, robotic sprayer & polisher, can all perform more consistent than hand built. Pre cut and polished SS frets on a zero tolerance *micro precision* neck is truly flawless. But flawless isn't what we want. We want whatever magic aura that we believe hand made installs into the instrument. And let's be honest, we KNOW Gibson is way more likely to send us a very flawed product, than not. Yet, we order and then act surprised. We humans are just weird like that. Can't change us, so just enjoy the flaws, and happy playing.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist 5K is exactly what I paid for my 2014 IguanaBurst Quilt custom (Mint) last year. Unbelievable top! If you want unique guitars just scour eBay and reverb and there will be something interesting every time at half the price!
I honestly think that when they figured out they were making the wrong guitar they frankensteined something they had into being his M2M. I don't think this guitar was made from scratch for him. That's my gut feeling
I have a 2022 standard that had a massive amount of excess lacquer in the truss rod cavity and 2 striped out screw holes in the lower control cavity cover. I didn't send it back because it had the most ridiculous figured top i've seen on a standard in years. Played like typically shitty out of the box Gibson , but with a good setup she does what she's supposed to, but is not a $3k guitar. Remember, Always buy a Gibson through a reputable authorized dealer and Never through Gibson. The dealer will help you resolve any QC issues should they arise after your purchase. Trying to get Gibson corporate to resolve these issues is like filing a complaint about HR to HR. They get pissed off and defensive until you give up.
I can see that, the truth is, I don't buy new guitars. I get guitars at prices where if I have to inherit a problem I do so happily for what I'm paying. I love gibson and I was just at the factory a few months ago, but I know with how many guitars they make that this can certainly happen and I hope they can lock it down even more than they already have. They're certainly moving in the right direction
It's like you ask for some specific and they like "umm.. here.😐" Lol that sucks tho. That's a long time to wait for something you didn't ask for and has issues on top.
@Fatsuperfly I genuinely don't understand how he stood for it. He got money off but I would have asked for an additional guitar. OK, no, I'm not gonna wait 5 months for another one but how about u leave me this one and throw in a Gibson custom you already have ready to ship and let's call it a day
I got really lucky with my standard I guess. It’s a 2021 but it still isn’t the price of a custom. Man that sucks that the quality control isn’t there with the customs
It's s guitar by guitar basis. I've played studios that were awesome and customs that sucked and vice versa. Just a lot less consistent than you'd like at times
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist i wonder if you put those pickups in another les Paul and they would sound better? Would definitely add some credence to the idea that wood does matter on a guitar
Maybe I’m high but I can’t place that riff you were playing after 4:30 ish. I know I have heard it and know the song but I have been absolutely racking my brain trying to name it or recall the actual song but I love it.
Not For You by Pearl Jam off of Vitology. I play music with David Abbruzzese and he's a good buddy so sometimes I rock them from that era. Happy new year and please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Been subscribed love your videos and energy. Girlfriend said reminds her of my rants as well. Thank you, i was going nuts and knew I knew the damn song. Love riffs like that gives me the feeling something awesome is coming.
The guitar sounds like a normal Les Paul and it’s really unfortunate they got the color so off. I appreciate the idea but big fail from Gibson. I have a LP Classic in Trans Red and so far I’m more than happy with it but I’ve heard so many horror stories from people. Too many Friday afternoon specials for the price tag. I got a Harmony Rebel, made in the old Kalamzoo factory and that thing rips and sub $2k with a $500 gig bag.
@Not You believe me, all throughout the process I told Bob to jump ship. But he wanted it. I think it was principle at that point to him. Not for me. Give me that money and ill get 3x cooler stuff for it.
You save and spend big bucks for a dream guitar + they do you like that is sad. Sweetwater tried that means a lot . Beautiful guitar but not what he wanted
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I had a guy put a driveway in at my house and dumped the left over in the edges not in a goodway . Sometimes we get so caught off guard we accept something we should of said no on. Look an sounds great but its not his vision. Sad stuff even if nice ax.
Mainly because he has a floyd on a paul. Schon, Brad Gillis and Alex lifeson all swear they started it first. If you go back to my "don't stop believing" episode I actually have one of his prototypes from the early 80s they based his actual production model on along with 2 super customs which is what he was playing at that time
Typical shoddy Gibson workmanship! I own 4 Gibson's, and I bought two of them new. The quality is crap. One of the new guitars, my M111, hadn't had the centre pickup route done properly, and when they had put the middle pickup in, it split the cover of the pickup cover. The best Gibson I have is a cheaper one, it's a SG special faded.
I have inumerable studios blow guitars like this out of the water. The guitar I review next week is a buckethead tribute Mexican strat. I did the video the same day as this one and it absolutely destroyed this guitar and the Ultima I'm every way. It was kinda sad to be honest, but also a true story
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I've had more luck with my Fenders, I've 6 of them, and two I bought second hand, and they've all been brilliant, apart from my first Strats trem being so difficult to keep in tune that I've blocked the trem off!
What i mean is this: some folks require expensive stuff to feel good and or compensate for inadequacies while others have simpler needs. gosh friend i was just havin' fun. its like one guy needs a 600$ rod to have fun fishin' while another just needs a 30$ to have the same fun.
Thank you for the great videos btw👍that saying originates from native Americans who laughed at how much gear the U.S. Cavalry had to lug with them to survive on the Great Plains. The cavalry prided themselves with all the fancy stuff they had while the native Americans took great pride in how little they needed to still thrive. It relates to those bluesmen i've worked with that had only a Squire and a Peavey Bandit and still kicked everyones ass.
I think Gibson lost creativity and interest the moment the customer asked for a floyd rose on a les paul custom. that thing DOES NOT belong on that guitar
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist yes, my comment was a bit satirical in a way and to each their own, the man wants a floyd rose on a les paul, he should get it. i only think its a bit strange in that most people associate gibson with tradition and having a guitar built so far removed from it will surely affect its resale value too, which i would imagine is a key consideration at that price point.
If I just listen with my ears I could not honestly tell the difference between this guitar and any other guitar with all the effects and Amp settings used. You could use a nice squire and would sound just as good to my ears. My eyes listen differently so eyes like the look but you should compare this to a comparable guitar around 1k to see if our eyes lied.
I don't think it sounds better than the 500 Mexican strat I review next week. I also used no fx other than a small reverb on clean. You're hearing a clean signal
There's definitely some room for improvement for sure! The prs private stock makes insane instruments. So does gibson but I'm with you on consistency and w the private stock you can see pics of your guitar mid manufacture.
I certainly wouldn't buy a M2M, it's like buying a new Ferrari. As soon as you drive it off the lot it's worth way less. Gibson makes great guitars but their QC is silliness it seems. I always buy used and get Bob's broken dreams at a fraction of the price. Subscribe and join the madness Brian! 🙌
I think what happened was they started making the wrong guitar and then when they realized it they forced another guitar to be his M2M. I've seen a few CS guitars almost identical to his and for more like 6500
@idiotburns there isn't a valid excuse. They probably just hoped he wouldn't complain. They said he could wait 5 months for another or Sweetwater would take 2k off. I'm w u man, I'd never, literally NEVER order a custom guitar from Gibson. Nor would I recommend doing so to anyone unless I didn't like them
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Its definitely a situation, its a rock in a hard place kinda thing if you are impatient. I am going to find you on instagram as well sir. Thanks for being a real person on youtube!
This story is pretty disheartening i personally would have sent it back for full refund or freaked out at them to make what i actually contracted them to make. Better yet go to PRS and work with Paul to create a 594 single cut that would be exactly what you want 🤷♂️
Once again this guitar does very little for me. I love LPs, but this one isnt it. If it was the original color/finish he'd asked for i would feel differently tho to ya the truth. I just dont like the dark tint to the blue of that guitar. I like how some of it was done for sure, but im not seeing $8000.... I still see laziness... in a $8000 GUITAR!!! This shouldnt be possible. From just taking the order (not getting the color right) to not getting the wiring to the issue with the truss rod this is a very dis interested group of people building this guitar. No soul or love is in that guitar. Sorry. For that money... wow what other guitars i could have bought. Lotta $ on another ok guitar. Its not bad but its ok and there shouldnt be an "ok" in a $8000 guitar LOL! Thanks for the video tho.
18months and the struggles with getting the company to simply make him a guitar (and do it right) and youd handed Gibson $8000 ! Sorry i feel like Gibson has become the professional "sucker" guitar. You want to bitch about it, but its a "Gibson"... how do we talk badly about them ? lol Your suckered into owning an over priced half ass built guitar. At least with Gibson theres some resale (key words "some"). But this shit should just not be happening. It must really suck working at Gibson or the people working there shouldnt be. One or the other is going on. But they prob have so many different groups of people coming in trying new shit left and right getting the company back ontrack its prob a hot mess.
Tell that to Bob. He didn't want a Kiesel. He wanted a Gibson. I didn't order it Dennis and I certainly would never order a NEW M2M. I don't pay close to retail for my guitars. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I was a die hard Gibson guy owning a 56 goldtop ,69 goldtop , 66 ES335 , a 68 ES355 , 61 and 62 melody makers. Then my 355 got a headstock break sent it to Gibson for a re-neck 18 mos later and lawyer trying to get my guitar back after being sent back twice it was ruined ( neck angle was wrong). I swore then I would never do business with them again. It's sad to see a company that was so iconic fall into the abyss of not caring at all about their customers or products. I really feel for Bob it sucks to have a company be so indifferent to their customer base. Nice playing
Not the wrong brand, poor Bob keeps buying new gibson guitars at retail. There are plenty of AMAZING gibsons for the right price with no problems whatsoever
bro!!!.... i got that same chicken wire in the concrete,,, except it's way thicker than chicken wire right?... impossible to saw through.. oh yeah, Fck Gibson... go relic something
I love gibson. They just are super inconsistent. Schecter makes a consistently nice instrument but the nicest schecter does nothing for me by comparison to gibson. I had a California elite and it was so nice but just didn't inspire me at all.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I get it , I'm just venting. For what they cost their shouldn't be a single flaw , imperfection or anything wrong. I can't tell you how many videos I've seen of people complaining about QC issues , I have 3 Epiphones and have never had one problem. I have a Studio LP , a Korina 58 Explorer and an SG G400 pro! How could they make them so good for a third of the cost , it's a head scratcher 🤔✌️
I'll never understand how Gibson get away with charging what they do for their guitars. There are so many superior instruments out there for less money. The power of branding never ceases to amaze me.
I can, because a les paul never goes out of style and the best gibsons are still the best guitars. It's just too bad their quality control and attention to detail is ridiculous. Thanks for watching Mr cynical, I hope you'll subscribe 😊
Yep PRS comes to mind. Even their made over seas models are QC’d before shipping out of or in US. I’m a huge Gibson fan. Always have been but it is disappointing that the prices go up and quantity goes down. I’ve had very few issues with my 2020-2021 custom shop guitars but did have heavy binding bleeding on my 58 CS Les Paul Standard and a couple of lose screws but I can live with that. Still you’d think they’d check and not just push it out the door. We’ll see what the future holds for Gibson.
There are so many superior guitars…..for example?
The guitar looks like an art piece more than an instrument. Congrats to Bob for having such disposable income and hopefully can enjoy it to the max and get his money's worth.
Right? It's def a looker!!!
$8K and the paints not right and barely sounds better than my $250 Junior yes it’s modified with Seymour Duncan’s and got “high integerty” hardware
Cookie points to whoever gets my “high integerty” parts reference
A few months back I finally received my LP custom in white. I had to return it based on so many Q.C. errors... paint on the headstock, crooked inlays and had the exact same lacquer problem around the pickups almost as if the body was oversanded. I appreciate that the customs are hand made and each one has variations but there is really no excuses when buffing compound is left of the body. And yes the cases suck. I can relate to your friend.
This is why I suggest if you're gonna by a M2M you go on reverb and by bobs broken dream, not pay gibson 3x more for your own future broken dream lol
LOL, buffing compound in the pickup routes.
That is one of the ways I'm sure its a Gibson.
In 1977 I purchased a then brand new Les Paul Deluxe, and yes, it had budding compound in the pickup cavities.
Another weird thing Gibson does, when they belt sand the face of the headstock towards final assembly the belt will often contact the truss rod nut and grind it down! I've seen it often enough to just come to accept it. For some people it is those strange QC quirks that make a Gibson a love/hate relationship thing. (IMHO)
That’s awful. I thought under this new management Gibson was getting its shit together. I’ve been pretty lucky with the few Custom Shop guitars I’ve bought but if someone is custom ordering a guitar and paying a mint to do so you’d think they’d put a bit more effort in. Disappointing to say the least.
@@Richard_Lush that is how I felt about it. I truly think they started his guitar, got it wrong, and then this was another guitar they frankensteined into his. I've seen a similar one almost identical from the custom shop for like 6500
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist that kind of makes sense it’s so different than what he ordered. Wouldn’t put it past them to do that. Well I’m lucky I can’t afford M2M. There’s a RUclips video about these guys who ordered a 50k greenie from the custom shop and the stuff they did for them was nuts. Wined, dinned, flew em out and back. Guess 8-10k doesn’t get their attention.
From Leo: $8K with an agreement to make it to order and the company did not make it even close to right. That is unforgivable. I would be getting the whole price back and they would be paying the court costs. What a horrible, soulless corporation. Sweetwater should not have been on the hook for a single dime, that is 100% gibson failure.
Preach. I'd literally never put up with that. Bob has a different level of patience than I do.
@@TheNeuroticGuitaristBob is amazing!
Gibson is like that "old dude but hes still in charge some how" at this point. Unbelievable.
The truth is that Gibson makes incredible guitars. Still the best guitars. It's just crazy how some stuff gets through the cracks. Thats mass production for ya. But I have 50+ gibsons that are to die for so as much as this stuff upsets me I still won't quit them lol. I just won't buy anything new
@@TheNeuroticGuitaristRight! Buy used, support the guys who bought the wrong guitar for them. I am lucky, I build guitars so I can fix a broken or poorly set up Gibson and make it Amazaballs!!🎉🎉
Congrats Bob, a truly beautiful Les Paul.
That said, I find it shocking that Gibson CS couldn't get a M2M built correctly.
Originally I wondered if the specs being incorrect could some how be the result of the Guitar Center liaison, but when you mentioned the lacquer near the truss rod access I just threw my hands up and SMH.
4:23 "Containment Unit of Amp Souls" ! Freaking Hilarious, and accurate.
A totally Rad looking Les Paul, I love, love, love the Abalone.
Years ago I had a Luthier build me an R9 husk that I finished myself, I specified all Abalone for the trapezoid fingerboard and headstock inlays, again, I have a sickness for Abalone.
Thank You Bob and Benny for sharing this with us, You just don't see Les Paul guitars like this in the wild.
I always suggest letting someone else (like bob) spend the money on a M2M and then snagging it after they're done. I couldn't fathom spending 8k on a Gibson unless it were 50s.
@Bob Cavanaugh dude, totally ridiculous
@Bob Cavanaugh Ugh, that Apex would have been crazy cool, especially with the locking nut hardware. I find it amazing that Gibson can build such a beautiful guitar so wrongly. Where it my guitar, I'd still love it just the same, a custom Les Paul in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
@Bob Cavanaugh Bob, indeed a perfect analogy. Funny you would use women to compare. I feel the relationship I have with my guitar(s) to be an individual one, in that each guitar (much like women) is different.
Even two of the exact same model and years (like twin sisters) usually provide a different experience when "played".
I've found that every guitar needs to be evaluated individually for its strengths and likes (again, much like people).
I want to thank you for sharing your girls with us, greatly appreciated Sir.
You've exceptional tastes.
You know, for a guitar manufacturer that gets dogged 24-7 the funny thing about Gibson is they never have an overstock but rather a backlog problem. I know, I've worked in the shipping and receiving dept. for 15 years now. We can't get'm out the door fast enough.
For reference, I love and breath gibson. This just turned into a wtf video because of a nut. It's clear gibson has inconsistency issues but the best gibson guitars are still the best guitars. I have over 50. I just wouldn't buy one new.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist well spoken sir!
@Blakjack I've had a few people accuse me of being a Gibson hater on here and that couldn't be anything further from the truth. I just tell it how it is and this experience was enlightening. That said, I just tell people to buy Bob's mistakes, don't be Bob.
Don't know how this channel has gone unnoticed by me, after binge watching for a bit, all I know is Bobs a friggin legend.🤘
Haha I'm glad you found me, man! Bob is a legend and you certainly haven't heard the last from him. Subscribe and join the madness
I also watch loads of guitar channels, first time this dude has been on my feed. Yet RUclips has been trying to shove useless channels to me. Just proves its not about your associated channels or liked videos huh?
Love the Pearl Jam “Not for you” riff.
I love the color Bob originally wanted, the electric blue with the wood grain waves still visible.
Gibson clearly didn’t know how to replicate that, or didn’t bother. For $8k, or even $6k I’d be pissed. I love my Gibsons but I always go for the Smartwood Les Pauls because they’re cheap but still have Gibson necks and fantastic bodies, just with a simple Matte finish and no frills/binding.
Love this channel 🤘
Thanks so much nick! I'm good friends w David abbruzzese and we play a bunch of tunes together so that was a little shout out to him! I appreciate u
At this stage, it’s hit or miss, 50/50 odds. People are contemplating the idea of buying Chibsons and putting in the most expensive electronics, tuners, hardware and being nowhere near the Gibson price tag
I'll say it, gibson def fucks up, but none of that comes close to comparing to a great gibson. I'm doing a review on the fixed up Ultima right now! They mess w their quality control but at the end of the day they make the best les paul. Thanks for watching. Subscribe and join the madness RC 🙌
Goddammit I hate this freaking company... thank you for always showing the truth brother!
That's what I'm here for, thanks for watching and happy holidays
If I spend anything over $2k on a guitar, I want to be absolutely in love with it. I just can't fathom spending that much on a guitar that has that many issues.
You ans me both, I'd rather 3 amazing vintage guitars for that price
Can you fathom making $20,000 every two weeks working for Boeing?
@@idiotburns absolutely I could fathom that. That'd be great. My aim is absolutely to make that kind of money.
@@idiotburns It's less about money and more about the principal... if you are selling a guitar that expensive and don't even bother to conduct a proper quality inspection, it needs to be called out.
@@evirs exactly, if I sell one of my RLJames guitars that I make, I have a customer having issues I will accept it back and do what I can to make it right, but so far I have prevented this from happening and I dont see why Gibson cant quickly remedy this issue.
Took Bob so long and heart breaks to get it ..but one sweet guitar mate!!!! great review Benny!!..again!!!
It is a pretty badass guitar. I'd still be annoyed if I was Bob, especially spending that kind of money, but Bob doesn't care because Bob rules.
Does the blue LP you're playing in this video have any tuning problems, or stability issues? (Constantly having to tune it - or resetting the intonation?) I like the video herein, nice job! V⚡
Bob's not completely right, it def took a bunch to get it to stay in tune but as you can hear, it did. I'm not sure I'd rely on it for a gig, but it did play awesome. I had a Mexican strat I was reviewing at the same time you'll see this next week and it stayed in way better tune than either of these gibsons. I literally looked at my director and said "20k in gjbsons and I'd rather play this Mexican strat." I thought I'd never say that. Great guitar but could also stand to have a good setup
Dear Bob!
First of all, I would like to give you some friendly advice: Sell that Gibson, buy a used 1994 Gibson Nighthawk with a Floyd, Ebony board and 3 pickups, (the neck joint is slimed down btw) for 2000 max 2500 freedom bucks. Spend the rest of the money.
Ps.: You may have to invest 1000 dollars into hard liquor and cigars, these items will help you to slim down, because the body shape of the Nighthawk is a tad smaller then a Les Paul.
Keep safe!
Smootches:
MK
Haha you're totally right except that nighthawk customs with a floyd are way more than 2k if you can find one now! I haven't seen a custom one in 5 years w the floyd. Subscribe and join the madness
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I have one Dude. And there is one for sale in Norway (on reverb) now for 2500 fixed bridge call Bob!
I was looking for someone to appraise mine, how much would one cost? (player grade)
@Márton Kovács I have one but it's am st3. You have a cst3 with a floyd? They only made them in 1997. If it's a custom w a floyd even players grade I'd say 3k unless there's a headstock injury. I have 5 hawks, Bob didn't seem thrilled w them
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Yeah I find them hard to date. But I think a Floyd nighthawk would be hard to fake. Did you ever see a knock off? Thanks for the help BTW :D
I was looking at getting a M2M R9/R0 a few years ago. I found an R9 that was right for me, so it didn't happen. I would flip my wig if they sent me the wrong guitar for that amount of money. I love my Gibson reissue guitars(I just got a 64 ES-335) but you have to either play them in person or deal with a shop/person that will take it back.
That should NOT be the case with $1000+ guitars, let alone $5k, 6k, $7k, $8k guitars. If Squire can make a dead nuts perfect $400 guitar, Gibson has NO excuse.
I really hope Bob is happy with this one. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth about it.
This is why I always say to buy someone else's M2M for half the price. You don't have to wait. You don't get overcharged. And you KNOW exactly what you're getting. Bob's experience hurt my heart and myself and our whole group lived through his agony.
@Bob Cavanaugh it is beautiful, but they should have sent you a second supreme to make you happy for all of that grief!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist If it weren’t for our guitar hero’s of the 50’s to 80’s, Gibson would have gone out of business.
Gibson knows they trade in emotion, yet they keep fucking up. We should NEVER hear about things like this.
I sure didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. Instead of trying to be funny i should have simply stated that there is great joy in being completely contented with a 300$ guitar. Please accept my sincere apology. Best wishes
Its all good rusty, I've figured out you're not a troll. You're all good in my book
ESP QC department is more superior than Gibson.
10000% but in the defense of gibson, they put out about 20x the amount of guitars and ESP custom shop is even more overpriced than gibson, despite making some of the nicest guitars, 10k+ for a custom shop eclipse is as insane as the ultima. Subscribe and join the madness and let's smoke 3 to the dome bro 🔥 it up!!! 🙌
That's a nice guitar! Sounds killer out of phase(if I heard that right). I much prefer that to the Ultima. Thanks for sharing!
It was def quacking outta phase at ya. Way way better. But the Ultima really needs to be setup for a fair shot. I will say, I had some tuning issues with this one, too. It was rather fastidious. I do a video on a Mexican strat and it womped both gibsons.
@TheNeuroticGuitarist lol, shhh. They look so pretty though 😍
7:16 a ghost took your sheet of paper!
Haha, that was probably in between incessantly tuning.
8 grand better be EXACTLY as ordered. Also, I'd never put a trem on a LP...just sayin' it does sound great though..lol
I agree with 8k it better be what I ordered. It is a cool axe though! I also love a trem on a paul. School of Neil schon, bras Gillis, Alex lifelson
Do they still have the m2m program and how do I order
They do and you just contact gibson, all the info is on their website.
The gold hardware looks great with the blue.However the guitar itself sounds a bit dull, like theres a sheet over the speakers. maybe the strings are old, or the pickups are meant to sound this way?
I don't think it sounds bad but this is def NOT a magic guitar. If I owned this it would not be a go to of the 30+ les Paul's I have. I rate guitars on how much I can dig in and they still sound good. For example, the les paul less plus with 57s I've reviewed a few times is a magic guitar.
I almost went for a made to measure like that. I got the bengal burst instead for 4700$. It was used at sweetwater someone didn't like the color it was mint for 600$ less, I did want blue though but not for 3000$ more
I ALWAYS say, buy someone else's broken dream (M2M) for a fraction of the price. And there you have it 🙌🎸🔥
Gibson makes the the best wall art for doctor and lawyer offices.
The Bella voce being the best example for dentists to flex. Hope you'll subscribe and join the madness
@Bob Cavanaugh accurate, I can vouch
This is one of many reasons why I sold my gibson and haven't ever bought a new one. There are so many more videos out there like this. They don't stay in tune. They should pay their workers better when they're selling guitars for $8000 (sometimes less sometimes much more). The paint jobs on all levels of guitars have been on par with $100 Chinese guitars. If you're getting a $5000+ guitar, the paint should be impeccable. They charge way too much for the custom shop stuff. I can get a custom Kiesel for much less and higher quality. Undoubtedly, Kiesel has more custom options than Gibson. That's not to say Gibson never made a good guitar, but if I received this guitar that I custom ordered and it came in with this many mistakes, I would just return it. Clearly, no effort or care was put into building that guitar that someone spent $8000 on. There are many other luthiers that will build you a custom guitar for way less and put in their best workmanship. This is embarrassing for Gibson, to say the least, and just proves their lack of QC over the past few years, and the effect of how little they pay their workers has on the production quality of their instruments. Shame on Gibson for shipping this to someone without doing the proper QC on a $8k custom guitar.
I don't disagree other than there are plenty of great gibsons, just buy them used for the right price and problem solved. I have never spent anywhere near 8k on any instrument and I have plenty worth way more than this.
If you buy a Gibson, Fender, or PRS you should know that those companies are too big and they have lost their touch. I recommend finding a small guitar business and build your dream guitar knowing the people building your guitar.
It's ALWAYS been a guitar by guitar basis with those companies, all the way back to the 60s. Except prs. They are the most consistent guitar company of this ilk imo. There are horror stories from every company, but I own 40+ prs and have yet to find one that didn't play at minimum pretty awesome.
Obviously you know nothing about PRS.
You can actually see the sanding marks still in the finish. This is hilarious. I'm so happy I learned how to make my own guitars now. I can make every kind of LP you can think of, and then some. Byebye Gibson, Toodaloo!
Or you could just buy a used gibson for the right price that you know kicks ass! That's what I've always done! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I wanted a les paul with a purple dye, floating trem, thicker neck than usual, custom inlays, striped ebony board, solid rosewood neck. No Gibson like that exists. That's why I make my own now. I made LP's with carved backs where the top and back are of the same billet, with F-holes and without backplates, lp's with laminated necks, flamed maple binding, etc. Or how about a lp with a 25.5" scale, 22 frets, Ash body, maple neck, trem, 3 singlecoils? Or tele Bridge and 2 singlecoils. No Gibson exists like that.
Sounds better than the other one! Sounds like series/parallel…..not split coil. Much cooler wiring set up, no hum, similar sustain, to series but brighter and a DB or 2 lower in output.
You're right, I just brushed through it because guess what...this one had tuning and setup issues too!!! Please subscribe and join the madness jon!!! 🎸🤘🤘🔥
I’m a huge fan of the 490R & 498T picks ups. I know they have their haters but they’re in my personal top 3 sets. #1 have become the 70’s Buckers they’re putting in the “70’s” V’s & Explorers, then the 490R 498T then the 57 Classic & Classic Plus. I have 3 re-issues an R7 Custom 3 pickup that is absolutely incredible, an R8 that sounds decent & an R9 that I absolutely love as well but CustomBuckers are their own thing as far as I’m concerned.
I think they're great pickups, I have them I'm 3 or 4 different Paul's and they sound killer. Happy holidays russ and please subscribe and join the madness!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist happy Holidays to you and yours as well, thank you! RUclips recommended your channel & I subscribed! The content is pretty great!
@Russ B. MC SGT 0341 thanks man!!!! I read and respond to every comment so know that when you have things to say, whether it's a compliment, a correction or even this sucks, I appreciate it. I love sharing the knowledge and my love for music with other like minded people. Cheers 🍻
After watching hours and hours of videos about Gibson and les paul's i concluded Gibson should not be considered the authority on les pauls. After seeing the series " the les paul that isn't" from SDpickups , i understand Gibson tells to sell stuff which they actually are not selling. When Gibson started to produce les pauls again late 60's begin 70's, they didn't knew how they were made in the 50's late 50's, because Gibson was sold to another company who did not have the know how. Gibson is under fire since the 70's resulting in the lawsuit's era. And after that Gibson fails time after time to produce the quality the customer is paying and asking for. Luthiers nowadays prefer brands like Harley Benton guitars for their built quality. Almost all guitars are well made in these days. Gibson seems to be an exception. 8k guitars and still not what is has to be. I might sell my Gibson Les Paul to buy one from another brand which is more fair.
You're correct. More correct than I can even get into ATM, but I'm working with many previous high ups from Gibson on some more gibsony projects than gibson is capable of. Subscribe and join the madness
I've owned GIbsons, still own a few Fenders and Ricks, my sub $500 Jacksons and Ibanez work great for me, as does my Gittler Titanium.
I'm expecting delivery tomorrow for my new Ibanez PS10, since I've been very pleased with my PS120 and two PS60s.
Still waiting for Gibson QC to improve; perhaps they can make Fender MIM QC level a goal for 2030? 😁
Or buy used!!! That's what I do!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist nah, I like pristine new guitars. 😎
That actually sounds great. I really do think Gibson needs to show some common sense too with their packaging. They are giving away nicer cases with the bonamassa es 335 epiphone than m2ms. The quality was getting better for a little while but lately it looks like they are just back to letting anything leave the factory again.
The whole company is a weird contradiction. I will still love them for life but their inconsistencies are mind blowing 🤯
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist like i always tell my employees. " gotta have pride in your work if you wanna do a good job."
@@jimmysupafly1547 true story
Sounds like a $900 studio les paul with 490/498 pickups.
Don't insult the les paul studio!!! I think they're some of the best sounding guitars and the fact that they're cheaper les Paul's literally has nothing to do with how could they sound
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist thank you for making my point in a bizarre and round about way.
@@HashiAkitaPuppy the studio with 490 pickups would destroy this M2M guitar
Man I wish Bob would have ordered a PRS Private Stock Dustie Waring CU24 with all the 8k goodies on that.
He could have, but you can find them used for 5k or less if you look hard!!!!!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Just go rosewood neck and extinct butterfly powder inlays or something until 8k. Paul loves that shit.
@@hibernative with a wooly mammoth ivory backplate...obviously
This sounds so much better than the Ultima. Night and day difference. This is what makes me worried about the Gibson ownership of Mesa Boogie. I have been a Mesa fan boy for 20 years, and I'm afraid they are going to screw things up.
The new management at Gibson is a whole lot better, at least that's what billy gibbons told me a few weeks back. So let's hope. I think the Ultima could have sounded awesome, it wasn't given a fair shake because of the issues. I'll be honest, this guitar took a while to get to stay in tune, as well. I was reviewing a buckethead tribute Mexican strat that same day and it beat both those gibsons in every way. Video should be up this next week. Stay tuned! 🙌
@The Neurotic Guitarist hey, if The Rev says it, it must be true. He is a no BS kinda guy. Fingers crossed they are better.
@@TexasGrizzlyBear I spent quite some time with him for an upcoming docuseries I'm doing on les paul. We get all into it!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist wow, nice. I look forward to it. Love your channel. Keep it up.
@Micah Meazell thanks so much dude. Happy holidays and please subscribe and keep watching 🤘
Oh Bob, why
Haha that's like my mantra. He's probably reading this! Bob, why????? Love u bro
@Bob Cavanaugh that's a great reason BOB!!!! YOU DO YOU BRO 🙌🤪😀
Just plain bob-robbery
Haha bobbery!!!!! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
Chicken wire is a base for cement that then bathroom tile is laid on...
Well then, I learned something new. My contractor seemed to think it was wild but he may not be the best lol
@Bob Cavanaugh I wouldn't give him that much credit
If I pay $8,000??? Ohhhhh it's gonna be the guitar I want. I don't care how long it takes. But,.....in my honest opinion??? I'd rather have a PRS Wood Library. You'll get the exact guitar you pay for. And it will be built to perfection.
The quality control on prs is clearly league's beyond gibson without question
I dont like the color, but the distorted sound is awesome and more Les Pauls should have a floyd on them :D Great Video like always, keep it up!
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We pay extra for flaws. This isn't 1980, a high end CNC machine, robotic sprayer & polisher, can all perform more consistent than hand built. Pre cut and polished SS frets on a zero tolerance *micro precision* neck is truly flawless.
But flawless isn't what we want. We want whatever magic aura that we believe hand made installs into the instrument.
And let's be honest, we KNOW Gibson is way more likely to send us a very flawed product, than not.
Yet, we order and then act surprised.
We humans are just weird like that. Can't change us, so just enjoy the flaws, and happy playing.
I'm not surprised. Not at all
Wow!!! That's a lot of money, to mot get exactly what you ordered & payed for.
You ain't kidding ed! Ridiculousness! Subscribe and join the madness and happy new year 🎉
Is that the guitar that Trogley just bought?
No, it's Bob's guitar. 1/1 M2M although I'm sure there are plenty damn close to it out there.
8K for something Gibson Custom was doing in 2014 for half the price…right on lol gotta appreciate their marketing team at Gibson these days
Nailed it! I half thought this was a leftover they turned into what he wanted. I've seen very similar guitars for 5k
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist 5K is exactly what I paid for my 2014 IguanaBurst Quilt custom (Mint) last year. Unbelievable top! If you want unique guitars just scour eBay and reverb and there will be something interesting every time at half the price!
@@Goodiebar18 I know, I make videos telling people that
I’d pay bob 8k for it if he didn’t want it. That’s a gorgeous guitar
It's definitely a rad axe. Subscribe and join the madness
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist whoops 😂
Can’t imagine paying that much for nothing less than perfect. And at that price it shouldn’t take 18 months. Fail indeed.
I honestly think that when they figured out they were making the wrong guitar they frankensteined something they had into being his M2M. I don't think this guitar was made from scratch for him. That's my gut feeling
"Kemper, the containment unit of amp souls." 🤣
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I have a 2022 standard that had a massive amount of excess lacquer in the truss rod cavity and 2 striped out screw holes in the lower control cavity cover. I didn't send it back because it had the most ridiculous figured top i've seen on a standard in years. Played like typically shitty out of the box Gibson , but with a good setup she does what she's supposed to, but is not a $3k guitar. Remember, Always buy a Gibson through a reputable authorized dealer and Never through Gibson. The dealer will help you resolve any QC issues should they arise after your purchase. Trying to get Gibson corporate to resolve these issues is like filing a complaint about HR to HR. They get pissed off and defensive until you give up.
I can see that, the truth is, I don't buy new guitars. I get guitars at prices where if I have to inherit a problem I do so happily for what I'm paying. I love gibson and I was just at the factory a few months ago, but I know with how many guitars they make that this can certainly happen and I hope they can lock it down even more than they already have. They're certainly moving in the right direction
It's like you ask for some specific and they like "umm.. here.😐" Lol that sucks tho. That's a long time to wait for something you didn't ask for and has issues on top.
I truly believe it was another guitar that they frankensteined into his when they realized they were building the wrong axe.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist yeah I could see that too, that’s just awful for the guy who got it. I’d loose trust in the brand if that happened to me.
@Fatsuperfly I genuinely don't understand how he stood for it. He got money off but I would have asked for an additional guitar. OK, no, I'm not gonna wait 5 months for another one but how about u leave me this one and throw in a Gibson custom you already have ready to ship and let's call it a day
The pickups sound really flat. That’s kinda embarrassing for 8k guitar
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@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I subscribed bro 😎
That guitar is rad af. I’ll accept it in the mail. Those inlays…wow
It's def a rad axe!
@@TheNeuroticGuitaristit looks similar to Neal Schons signature inlays in his Gibson Les Paul in the mid 2000s
I got really lucky with my standard I guess. It’s a 2021 but it still isn’t the price of a custom. Man that sucks that the quality control isn’t there with the customs
It's s guitar by guitar basis. I've played studios that were awesome and customs that sucked and vice versa. Just a lot less consistent than you'd like at times
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist i wonder if you put those pickups in another les Paul and they would sound better? Would definitely add some credence to the idea that wood does matter on a guitar
Maybe I’m high but I can’t place that riff you were playing after 4:30 ish. I know I have heard it and know the song but I have been absolutely racking my brain trying to name it or recall the actual song but I love it.
Not For You by Pearl Jam off of Vitology. I play music with David Abbruzzese and he's a good buddy so sometimes I rock them from that era. Happy new year and please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Been subscribed love your videos and energy. Girlfriend said reminds her of my rants as well. Thank you, i was going nuts and knew I knew the damn song. Love riffs like that gives me the feeling something awesome is coming.
@JPanic138 right on brother! Thank you for being a part of what I do. Please keep it coming and happy new year!
The guitar sounds like a normal Les Paul and it’s really unfortunate they got the color so off. I appreciate the idea but big fail from Gibson. I have a LP Classic in Trans Red and so far I’m more than happy with it but I’ve heard so many horror stories from people. Too many Friday afternoon specials for the price tag. I got a Harmony Rebel, made in the old Kalamzoo factory and that thing rips and sub $2k with a $500 gig bag.
Rock on! 🤘 thank you for watching. Please subscribe and join the madness. 🙌
Awesome master!!!👍👍
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it looks awesome but why the hell did you get a custom guitar from a major manufacturer instead of an actual custom shop
Did you watch the video? I didn't buy it nor would I recommend buying a guitar like it
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist sorry i meant why the hell would anyone want it i was tired
@Not You believe me, all throughout the process I told Bob to jump ship. But he wanted it. I think it was principle at that point to him. Not for me. Give me that money and ill get 3x cooler stuff for it.
This is why you never pay retail for customshop. Go second hand, save some cash and play a belter that weighs 11lbs.
I never buy retail. Literally ever!
You save and spend big bucks for a dream guitar + they do you like that is sad. Sweetwater tried that means a lot . Beautiful guitar but not what he wanted
I told Bob 100x during that process to tell them to f themselves but Bob is a better man than I.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I had a guy put a driveway in at my house and dumped the left over in the edges not in a goodway . Sometimes we get so caught off guard we accept something we should of said no on. Look an sounds great but its not his vision. Sad stuff even if nice ax.
It almost has the look of the Schon custom.
Mainly because he has a floyd on a paul. Schon, Brad Gillis and Alex lifeson all swear they started it first. If you go back to my "don't stop believing" episode I actually have one of his prototypes from the early 80s they based his actual production model on along with 2 super customs which is what he was playing at that time
Nice vid .
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Typical shoddy Gibson workmanship! I own 4 Gibson's, and I bought two of them new. The quality is crap. One of the new guitars, my M111, hadn't had the centre pickup route done properly, and when they had put the middle pickup in, it split the cover of the pickup cover. The best Gibson I have is a cheaper one, it's a SG special faded.
I have inumerable studios blow guitars like this out of the water. The guitar I review next week is a buckethead tribute Mexican strat. I did the video the same day as this one and it absolutely destroyed this guitar and the Ultima I'm every way. It was kinda sad to be honest, but also a true story
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I've had more luck with my Fenders, I've 6 of them, and two I bought second hand, and they've all been brilliant, apart from my first Strats trem being so difficult to keep in tune that I've blocked the trem off!
Awesome guitar. I see a few nods to the lp supreme in the design. Axcess plus Supreme = Bobs design
Bob loves the supreme. We actually met in a Gibson supreme group so you're not wrong at all
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I am a member of that group as well. I have two 2004 Amber Supremes.
@@michaelbutcher9343 hell yeah!!! 🎸🎸🔥🔥
With doves that fly out everytime hahaha
I forgot to mention the frigging wooden handle
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist sweet.. does it come with free candy in the case pocket
@RC JOE he did get it from Sweetwater so I'm sure it came with candy in the box.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist ahh true 👍
@@rcjoe406 I hated on it in that video but candy is delicious
Some folks judge themselves by what they own. Some folks judge themselves by what they need
...and?
What i mean is this: some folks require expensive stuff to feel good and or compensate for inadequacies while others have simpler needs. gosh friend i was just havin' fun.
its like one guy needs a 600$ rod to have fun fishin' while another just needs a 30$ to have the same fun.
Thank you for the great videos btw👍that saying originates from native Americans who laughed at how much gear the U.S. Cavalry had to lug with them to survive on the Great Plains. The cavalry prided themselves with all the fancy stuff they had while the native Americans took great pride in how little they needed to still thrive. It relates to those bluesmen i've worked with that had only a Squire and a Peavey Bandit and still kicked everyones ass.
If the hardware was black, it would be perfect.
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I think Gibson lost creativity and interest the moment the customer asked for a floyd rose on a les paul custom. that thing DOES NOT belong on that guitar
I think you're conflating you're disdain for a floyd on a les paul with gibson repurposing a guitar for someone
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist yes, my comment was a bit satirical in a way and to each their own, the man wants a floyd rose on a les paul, he should get it. i only think its a bit strange in that most people associate gibson with tradition and having a guitar built so far removed from it will surely affect its resale value too, which i would imagine is a key consideration at that price point.
If I just listen with my ears I could not honestly tell the difference between this guitar and any other guitar with all the effects and Amp settings used. You could use a nice squire and would sound just as good to my ears. My eyes listen differently so eyes like the look but you should compare this to a comparable guitar around 1k to see if our eyes lied.
I don't think it sounds better than the 500 Mexican strat I review next week. I also used no fx other than a small reverb on clean. You're hearing a clean signal
Amazing instrument made for a health professional
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8 grand. I'd be pissed. I'll take 2-3 grand on the guitar and spend the other 5k on a trip to Hawaii. thanks.
I'm with you, man!!! If anything, I buy these the second round. I call them someone else's broken dream lol
I love Gibsons but let's face it the M2M program can't touch PRS Private Stock
There's definitely some room for improvement for sure! The prs private stock makes insane instruments. So does gibson but I'm with you on consistency and w the private stock you can see pics of your guitar mid manufacture.
haha, now I am a little afraid, because i am going to order a m2m blue widow 😳
let me know how it goes!
I like your style dude !
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For 8000, "rad guitar" doesn't cut it.
You're preaching to the choir!!!
Seems like all you're paying ( not you personally) for is a name at this point...seems like so much better choices.
I certainly wouldn't buy a M2M, it's like buying a new Ferrari. As soon as you drive it off the lot it's worth way less. Gibson makes great guitars but their QC is silliness it seems. I always buy used and get Bob's broken dreams at a fraction of the price. Subscribe and join the madness Brian! 🙌
Seems like "we are too big to fall".
Accurate
Glenn Fricker would be proud
🤘🤘 he's funny as hell and one of the few guys doing this I 10000% respect
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist You calling out the flaws on a very expensive guitar deserves all the respect man.
@hUGO Lopes I wish I didn't have to but I am here to be honest and share my actual experiences. Beauty doesn't blind me.
I would have asked for my money back.
You and me both. And a free guitar for my time and trouble
And by each Passing day I Love my 400€ Harley benton Amarok and 80€ nobrand China telecaster more 😂
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Don’t show this to Glen from Spectre studios hahaha
Haha he would feel the same way as me! Love that dude
I'm not sure, this guitar is just "Not for You"
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Its alright, too bad its not even whats ordered. Its like a lottery instead of made to order.
I think what happened was they started making the wrong guitar and then when they realized it they forced another guitar to be his M2M. I've seen a few CS guitars almost identical to his and for more like 6500
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist You know I make guitars for a living, I cant imagine a valid excuse, I hear the current excuse but waiting for a valid one
If I was Gibsons owner, he keeps the mistake and we remake it and send it ASAP
@idiotburns there isn't a valid excuse. They probably just hoped he wouldn't complain. They said he could wait 5 months for another or Sweetwater would take 2k off. I'm w u man, I'd never, literally NEVER order a custom guitar from Gibson. Nor would I recommend doing so to anyone unless I didn't like them
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Its definitely a situation, its a rock in a hard place kinda thing if you are impatient. I am going to find you on instagram as well sir. Thanks for being a real person on youtube!
This story is pretty disheartening i personally would have sent it back for full refund or freaked out at them to make what i actually contracted them to make. Better yet go to PRS and work with Paul to create a 594 single cut that would be exactly what you want 🤷♂️
Believe me, it wasn't the story I wanted to tell. I love gibson!
@TheNeuroticGuitarist I'm firmly planted in the Gibson garden even with all the quality issues etc. But it still is a bummer.
We’re not that good,, love it 🙂
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Once again this guitar does very little for me. I love LPs, but this one isnt it. If it was the original color/finish he'd asked for i would feel differently tho to ya the truth. I just dont like the dark tint to the blue of that guitar. I like how some of it was done for sure, but im not seeing $8000.... I still see laziness... in a $8000 GUITAR!!! This shouldnt be possible. From just taking the order (not getting the color right) to not getting the wiring to the issue with the truss rod this is a very dis interested group of people building this guitar. No soul or love is in that guitar. Sorry. For that money... wow what other guitars i could have bought. Lotta $ on another ok guitar. Its not bad but its ok and there shouldnt be an "ok" in a $8000 guitar LOL! Thanks for the video tho.
18months and the struggles with getting the company to simply make him a guitar (and do it right) and youd handed Gibson $8000 ! Sorry i feel like Gibson has become the professional "sucker" guitar. You want to bitch about it, but its a "Gibson"... how do we talk badly about them ? lol Your suckered into owning an over priced half ass built guitar. At least with Gibson theres some resale (key words "some"). But this shit should just not be happening. It must really suck working at Gibson or the people working there shouldnt be. One or the other is going on. But they prob have so many different groups of people coming in trying new shit left and right getting the company back ontrack its prob a hot mess.
It's not my guitar so I agree w everything you're saying, I'd never have done any of that
Keep tokin' bro !
Right-On hivoltage1999
🔥🔥🔥 u gonna come toke w me bro?
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That guitar is great! I keep thinking the only way to buy a guitar is hands on or used. Ok, really, used!! I have to pick the TOP.😅🎉🎉🎉
You can pick the top using the M2M process. If you go to Nashville they'll pull out a bunch of blanks for you to choose from, it's pretty rad.
Poor Bob lmao
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Should have ordered a Kiesel , better build ,better wood ,better people . At 1/3 the price.
Tell that to Bob. He didn't want a Kiesel. He wanted a Gibson. I didn't order it Dennis and I certainly would never order a NEW M2M. I don't pay close to retail for my guitars. Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I was a die hard Gibson guy owning a 56 goldtop ,69 goldtop , 66 ES335 , a 68 ES355 , 61 and 62 melody makers. Then my 355 got a headstock break sent it to Gibson for a re-neck 18 mos later and lawyer trying to get my guitar back after being sent back twice it was ruined ( neck angle was wrong). I swore then I would never do business with them again. It's sad to see a company that was so iconic fall into the abyss of not caring at all about their customers or products. I really feel for Bob it sucks to have a company be so indifferent to their customer base. Nice playing
Poor bob keeps buying the wrong brand
Not the wrong brand, poor Bob keeps buying new gibson guitars at retail. There are plenty of AMAZING gibsons for the right price with no problems whatsoever
Hahaha jeez another Gibson fail. Poor Bob☹️
He's a glutton for pain it seems
@Bob Cavanaugh not a bad thing to have Bob.
@Bob Cavanaugh no such thing. Gimme gimme
@Bob Cavanaugh well I’m retired so I need something to do so I’ll put something together for ya
@Bob Cavanaugh I can clean toilets
You made Gibson build a guitar with a Floyd Rose 😅. Next time get an LTD.
I didn't make gibson do anything. I didn't buy it. And I wasn't the one that put a floyd on it...so....
"Not for You"
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Finish looks just flat
I don't even think they made this guitar for him.
bro!!!.... i got that same chicken wire in the concrete,,, except it's way thicker than chicken wire right?... impossible to saw through.. oh yeah, Fck Gibson... go relic something
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Buy a PRS.
clearly you don't watch my channel considering I have 40+ and PRS regularly sends me guitars
PRS.
They certainly have better quality control
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist DefInitely. 👌🏼
I've never played a Gibson I liked
I've played more gibsons I've liked than I've not liked but the ones I haven't liked have been for good reason
Meanwhile I can spend between $600-$1000 on a nice Schecter that's flawless!🤔 Gibson sucks!!!
I love gibson. They just are super inconsistent. Schecter makes a consistently nice instrument but the nicest schecter does nothing for me by comparison to gibson. I had a California elite and it was so nice but just didn't inspire me at all.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I get it , I'm just venting. For what they cost their shouldn't be a single flaw , imperfection or anything wrong. I can't tell you how many videos I've seen of people complaining about QC issues , I have 3 Epiphones and have never had one problem. I have a Studio LP , a Korina 58 Explorer and an SG G400 pro! How could they make them so good for a third of the cost , it's a head scratcher 🤔✌️
@@mikeg6666 I couldn't agree more
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