”But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.“ John 1:12-13
P.s: These are the Words of the living God, not Calvin. This is the doctrine of God and not man. God is sovereign in all things, not only in those that we prefer.
“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” - Philippians 2:12-13
Ah yes, this brings back memories. Of my days fawning at the feet of our ages "sages" the greats of modern Reformed Theology. I saw this when it was new. At the time, I thought Washer's analysis was horrifying and brilliant. God, the awe-inspiring dictator, Christ the righteous destroyer. Now, I look at it knowing where that hamster wheel of navel-gazing leads. The real answer is obvious, it's in the book. John 3:16. Whosoever really means whosoever. If you want to believe him, he lets you have it. That is the sovereign will of God. No philosophy. No tricks. It's free.
Some people say that the “proof” that Christianity is a false religion is the fact that there are countless different denominations. But ironically THAT is the proof that Christianity is the one TRUE religion. Satan attacks only Christianity by creating confusion with numerous false denominations that preach a false doctrine. Satan isn't creating numerous sects of Islam or Hinduism because he knows they're false and one is automatically lost by following anything other than Christ.
@@BibleLine Atheists are proof that God exists. Countless times I have heard atheists compare God to Santa Klaus or a cartoon character. Why then hasn’t anyone written volumes of books and held conferences about how Bugs Bunny and Scooby Doo don’t exist just like they do with God? Because atheists KNOW that God exists, and all that they do is, in reality, meant to CONVINCE THEMSELVES that He doesn’t exist while pretending that they are trying to convince us. They don’t want God to exist but if only subconsciously they know that he exists.
Wow, you're so right! Satan didn't pick Hinduism, Buddhism, or Islam to be his bride mystery Babylon. Satan picked the church because he always wanted what's God's.
Can You believe when I was 1st looking for the Truth I found Paul washer and others in this Calvinist camp and I Honestly thought I couldn’t do any of this. Not only can’t I do it but apparently I’m not apart of the election so that makes a person Hate God. Why ? Because that’s a God who brought Me into a World with no Hope but a fearful Expectation of Death and punishment in Hell. But God is so Loving and Patient and led Me to Dr Yankee Arnold and many others like Him and I was like WOW that’s the Real Jesus of the Bible and I Love God and I love that I have Peace and Security knowing I’m going to Heaven because I know the Simplicity of the Gospel and I Put My Trust in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ and Him Alone to Save Me. So it needs to be said how many people who know there sinners and been turned away by False Teachers and give up because they know they can’t do the work of the false Gospel. It’s Sad 😞 because if they knew they were following the wrong Gospel they could be freed by the Gospel of Grace 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ❤Believe it and be set free Amen 🙏
Is Christ not the foundation or cornerstone of the Church? In reference to election and predestination foundations is attached to the world, meaning earth right?
Luke 8:10 KJV - And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Jesus was the one who said no man can come to him unless the father the father sends them, it could not be all men because said he would lose none that the father gave him and all men will not be saved. Is Jesus wrong?
Btw this should go without saying Just because something is a doctrine of man, doesn’t mean it’s not true There are lots of doctrines of men that are true or are almost completely true
@@RenardGarzaro A doctrine of God is a Bible verse or a passage of scripture A doctrine of man is an interpretation of scripture or a doctrine based on a scripture (proof text) Calvinism is a philosophical doctrine backed up by proof texts in the Bible and is obviously a doctrine of man, not a doctrine of God
Joshua 24:14-15 KJV [14] Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. [15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Father's blessings, peace and love to the BibleLine ministry. Praise Jesus for everything, every day for He alone is worthy to be Praised.
don't forget 24.19 "Ye _cannot_ serve the Lord" Joshua knew how wicked the people were. yes God commands us to serve him but he knows we cannot without his work in our hearts Ezekiel 36.26. you guys need to stop cherry picking verses to support free will
@@hondotheology Jesus gave the commands to love thy neighbor as you love yourself and to love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart soul body and mind. Both of those are volitional actions and would be pointless for Jesus to say if we have no ability to choose to do so.
So was the Mosaic law pointless? The Bible is full of commands that we by nature do not keep or follow. Even our best efforts are like filthy rags apart from saving faith in Christ. Jesus giving us commands that He knows we can’t or won’t follow shows us how much we need a Savior. Do we truly understand how Holy God is? If we break one law, if we fail to follow one command, just one time in all our life…we deserve hell. Stop trusting in your ability to obey God’s commands and humbly recognize your inability to love God apart from the grace He freely gives. Ephesians 2:8-10 is very clear. Saving faith comes from God, not from our free will choice. We are all born spiritually dead, how then can a dead person choose life? Before you can receive the gift of faith, you must be reborn in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. If the name “Calvin” offends you, call it the doctrines of grace. It’s absolutely biblical. Arminians act like their doctrine isn’t also named after a man. Before you mention “Calvinist glasses” try removing the log from your own eye. If Calvinist presuppose their doctrine into the text, then do anti-Calvinist not also?
Calvinism makes God some kind of terrible MONSTER who could have chosen to save all but did not clearly the bible says choose ye this day whom you will serve Israel had the kingdom offered to them legitimately but would not
The terrible said all of those things before Calvin was born, read Ezekiel 36 and Jeremiah 18 these are the scriptures Jesus was referring to when talking to Nicodemus, Calvin was nowhere around when God told Israel he would take out their heart of stone and put in a heart of flesh, he did not tell them to do anything he said he would do it, He said he would wash them with water and put his spirit in them and cause them to walk in his was, sounds pretty robotic to me. God is the one who decides what is terrible and what is not.
guess then God is equally a monster eitherway if we say people choose to go to hell. Why? Because he has the ability to stop them but doesnt. As a mother, if my child chose to play in the road and an adult said he chose to! that aint honorable to let someone die just because of some free will. i think you underestimate the sinfulness of man and imagine man is even capable to choose God. If God left us totally to our free will, we would all not come to faith. He has to actually give us a heart of flesh. Give us faith, and give birth to us in our spirit. Another metaphor. What role did you play in your natural birth? Why would you think you played a role in your spiritual birth? A mother will let hundreds of her eggs go to waste and choose only a few to get a baby. do we say she is evil for not giving the other eggs a chance by getting pregnant every ovulation? no! they were going to die anyway, but her choice to have a baby is celebrated. we all are destined to die but if God choooses to save some, we celebrate his mercy. this free will, is actually an illusion. If we are to truly question it, we will find no one has ever had a free will to choose to not sin. if we had that capacity, we would not need Jesus. so if we cant even freely resist Sin, how much more would we fail to freely of our own choose to believe God who is the opposite of everything that comes naturally to us, namely perfectly holy? note, we never chose our birth or how we look or where we were born but we are all happy to be alive. God does not give us eternal life against our will. When he chooses to give us new life, we celebrate the life we have. he doesnt take us to heaven kicking and screaming against our will. neither do people go to hell mourning and resisting. Those going to hell are running towards it! and we who have been raised and given life, we who were once dead in sin, glance on our saviour and see how wonderful he is so we turn around and start walking towards him now that he has opened our eyes. He made the first step. but God is even better than a mother. While a mother gives birth, nurtures you, a mother has no capacity to live for a child, a child must breath and eat to live. and once a child is an adult, he or she is almost left completely to fend for himslef. God is always involved in our spiritual life while we are still babies in faith and will still walk with us when we are mature christians, never leaving us until our glorification (no more sin in us at resurrection) and once we are glorified, he will still not leave us but we have the wonderful promise to be with him always. so believe it or not, we are nothing, we are lost, we are dead without God choosing us first. so many scriptures in support of this doctrine. its all over scripture if we could just stop thinking too highly of ourselves. This is unfortunately a catholic doctrine that teaches man is capable of good and some protestants left the catholic church but still hold onto this deception. see if free will were the ultimate, with the way i sin every single day, what assurance do i have that one day i wont just decide to walk away from this "faith i so freely chose"? The only way the verses that promise that we shall never be lost make sense is if God keeps us. Or do you assume we freely choose God of our own accord then suddenly he traps us in faith and doesnt let us go when we choose to leave? also , if all it takes is our own faith, how sure are you, that the faith you have in God, is enough to save you? is your faith atleast at the quality of a mustard seed or what do you have to measure and be sure it is enough? what assurance do you have if you have to keep yourself?
it is not God that is the monster. it is me, myself and i. God created me, and all abundance for me to use as needed freely. The only thing that God wanted from me was for me to thank Him and trust Him. And i couldn't even do that, self-righteous prick that i am. i chose to trust my wife that eating the fruit was OK. i was a whimp. i should have taken the fruit out of my wife's hands, put it back on the tree, and tell God what just happened, and ask God what to do with that vile snake. I didn't do all that, so i rightly deserve my punishment. i just ask God to go easy on my wife, for she was easily seduced by that smooth talking lover boy snake. i am to blame. i shouldn't even let my wife come close to the snake, the tree and the fruit. i am really sorry, but i can't change what happened. please forgive me Lord Christ Jesus. Please have mercy on me.
1. Most who believe in God's sovereign election are not Calvinists. 2. You can't strip God of his sovereignty without stripping him of his omniscience, omnipotence, and his eternal Godhood. 3. The 99%+ of humanity are lost, and when burning in the lake of fire, they will curse God forever and much worse than calling him a monster. God doesn't care about being popular.
If what you do (Choice, live right, remain in the vine etc.) is what allows you to get in heaven, you are not saved by Grace you are saved by your ability to make a good choice, live the right way, and your strength to hold on. It is evident you do not need God. The Who are saved by Grace understand the left up to their free will they will choose themselves every time, your will is not as free as you think it is, why do you still sin, you have free stop it, why are you asking God to do what you free will to stop.
You forget one very important matter. Believers are filled with the Holy Spirit that guides us, enables us to walk in the Spirit . He doesnt force us, but guides us..I don't "choose myself everytime", my choice is always to serve the Lord , and have for 30 years. We still have the choice. We are NOT robots. We CHOOSE to love thye Father, NOT forced to. Honestly I dont know how anyone can be that deceived and not receive truth and correction from scripture. Calvinism is limited atonement, forced grace , and the origin of Calvinism is satan, same as JW, LDS, Islam. Faith On Fire on RUclips objectively compares Calvin with biblical Christianity .......ruclips.net/video/z7Re5kgc5BI/видео.html
Getting eternal life is not attained by the man choosing to WORK any which of way. Believing is not a work, but it is something God has given to every man to be able to exercise it or not. The man must choose to accept or reject Christ as his Savior. All the works done afterwards are still a choice, but they are now pleasing to the Father in heaven. Believing is not something God must give to you first. He allows ALL to make the choice. This is not works unless the subject matter is works; faith is not works. - Trent
Saving as many as possible is clearly not God's main objective. If it was, the world would be full of angels working miracles, exposing false religions, and teaching people the truth.
“And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.””- - John 6:65 NKJV What about my free will now? Would we say this to Jesus? “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.” - John 6:44 NKJV What about my free will now? Would we say this to Jesus? Would we say this to Jesus? Would we say here that Jesus is saying that no man can come to Him unless this fallen man makes a choice of his own free will to come to Him?
All men without distinction or without exception. Clearly, because all men don’t receive Jesus. Then there are two ways to see it. One, your position, because men’s will to reject Jesus prevails His will to save everybody. In that case, men’s will is sovereign and not God’s. In that case, when Jesus said it is finished, He didn’t really mean it or He lied, because men still had to believe and do the last bit to be saved. Or, the second option is then that all people are what Revelation 5:9 means. That is, all people without distinction (not exception). Because, when someone is truly drawn Bu the Father to Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, it’s impossible to resist it and see it as an inferior option. The Holy Spirit resurrects the spiritually dead person, not man.
If all men without exception are drawn to Jesus, then God’s drawing is powerful enough to effectually save everybody. The obvious conclusion, then, is that universalism is true. There is no hell in that case and all would go to heaven. We know, that’s not Biblical, brother.
Haha, yeah, this one was pretty bad. I thought to adjust the audio, but I like to leave things as original as possible. I personally did the subtitles. Thanks Tommy, I will keep that in mind. - Trent
Our believing is through grace (not of ourselves, but because of the work of the Holy Spirit): “And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.” - Acts 18:27-28 NKJV
Why did Jesus call Nathaniel a man with no guile? The issue with false doctrines is they don’t match reality. I get a stomach ache just trying to understand Calvinism. Sad part is most the ones I know get real angry and are stressed out people. But to them it matters not. Bc they are elect!!! They can do as they wish bc it’s sealed for them. Once they find out I’m not Calvinist they won’t be my friend anymore. Lost jobs from not being calvanist. If it’s an ism it isn’t him.
Jesse Martinez, there were some people that you said did not share the gospel but I’ve watched their videos and they that’s all they ever talk about is the gospel so we really want you to give open statement that you misled people because I’m subscribed to them also and they share the gospel so whether you miss spoke, we would please ask for an apologyby the way, I love your videos
Jesse didn’t say they “don’t share the gospel…” He said he doesn’t really know if they do. He said he wasn’t sure how clear they really are. In our conversing with this entire group, it’s been clouded in mystery and attacks. DB literally accused us of having a false gospel because we reconcile James and Paul. Roman’s 4 and James 2 fit perfectly. - Trent
Hi Trent! Hope you can respond to this. Love what you guys are doing! I’m kind of split down the middle, I believe God does give a choice to us to believe because if He created us to just “love” Him by default, it wouldn’t truly be love. Like if you force your significant other to love you, it isn’t really love, it’s obedience fueled by fear. But on the other hand, God is eternal. He is outside of time and I think where we go wrong is we try to shoehorn Him into our human understanding of things. So if He’s outside of time then He already sees the end from the beginning. Someone put it to me this way….if you record a sports game and watch it later. The game is already over, but you know who wins, you know what player scored the winning point, you know how many fouls there were, and so on…but that doesn’t change the free will the players had in the game. It’s not a prefect analogy, I know this. In the same way God knows who believed and who didn’t because He is at creation, He is at the crucifixion, and He is with us in heaven simultaneously. He is I AM after all. So in my mind, there is a tension that exists with these points because….we’re human, and our brains cannot compare to or fully comprehend our glorious God on this side of death. I can’t even remember what I had for breakfast sometimes😂 But I’m open to biblical reasoning all day long so if you have anything to add or correct, I’m open to it. Love you guys and God bless!
Hey there! Thanks for the comment. The answer has to rely on the truth in the scripture. We must be objective and fair. Have you ever considered the fact that God wills all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:1-6), but not all men are saved? That answers the entire equation for me. God desires everyone be saved, regardless of His foreknowledge of the outcome. Nonetheless, He allows man the freedom to believe in His Son. God is ultimately just in this aspect. He died for ALL sin of ALL people of ALL time - 1 John 2:1-2, Romans 3:20-31. None will be able to look at God and accuse Him of never giving them the opportunity to believe. Nor will they tell Him that He did not die for their sin. The entirety of our salvation into eternal life hinges on this: DO YOU BELIEVE? John 3:15-18. The only reason someone ever goes to hell is because they never believe. That is free will. Hope this helps with whatever thy mind thinketh haha - Trent
@@BibleLine Ahhhh that first point is very interesting I never thought of it like that, it definitely does clear it up for me. I’ll definitely read the verses you mentioned to brush up on it. Man, what a loving God we serve. Thanks for your reply! Have a safe and happy new year, God bless!
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. 1 Tim. 1:13. Therefore, since everyone who was ever born of a woman is concluded under sin, it goes without saying that He came to save everyone. The provision is ample enough for all, but only those who believe can be made partakers. Unfortunately, too many will not acknowledge the authority of God's law, and will not confess themselves to be sinners, and therefore the "promise by faith of Jesus Christ" cannot be given to them; for we are taught in Gal 3:22, that it is necessary for men to be "concluded under sin," in order that they may be sharers in the promise by faith.
Only God can open someone’s mind and heart to understand these things: “Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”” - Luke 24:44-49 ESV “For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” - II Corinthians 4:6 “But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” - II Corinthians 4:3-4 “Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.”- I Corinthians 12:3
P.s: These are the Words of the living God, not Calvin. This is the doctrine of God and not man. God is sovereign in all things, not only in those that we prefer.
Summary God has prepared everything. He has come to give things to you. A man can only be scared into fainting and being paralyzed….he can never be scared into being good. God has come to solve the problems within us. In Him we have a new life, a new nature, new affections. If there is no sense of internal suffering when someone sins it is doubt to whether they are born again children of God. Got desires mercy. This means he likes to give things to you. He does not desire sacrifice. He does not like us to give things to Him. If God can give things away. This will make him happy. This is salvation. Salvation isn’t to make man happy; it is to make God happy. God likes to give and keep giving. He wants to work continuously on us. He wants to give us grace. “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
The onus is put on the individual to believe in Christ. Yes, the Bible says "of Christ, in Christ, on Christ, etc..." but Jesus made it clear: "Whosoever believeth IN HIM..." - John 3:16 - Trent
Interesting fact, the word sovereign and sovereignty are not even in the Bible. The KJV Bible that is, do a search. All other per-verions use it almost 200 times! Why? Because it helps uplift Calvinism. Beware
Hello the Word rapture isn't in the bible either. At least not in English. In Greek it's harpazo. Also, Neither is the word Bible. God is sovereign despite how men like PW define His Sovereignty. Please listen: the last thing you ever want to do is say certain words aren't in the bible. Not trying to sound mean, but it shows your ignorance. The Bible was written in Hebrew,(OT), Greek (NT), and Jesus spoke Aramaic, which if I can recall, was an older type of the Hebrew language. Translations were done in Latin Vulgate and Latin Septuagint. EVENTUALLY it was translated into English. Did you really think English was the original language of the Holy Scripture? I see so many atheists get the better of Christians in a debate over this simple little thing that should NEVER have won them the debate. Just be careful. Cecille B DeMill didn't write the original Exodus and Charleton Heston wasn't the original Moses. When Moses said"Let my people go", you wouldn't have known what he was saying .
@ValerieCox-t7d Thanks for the reply! I understand that the word rapture as well as Trinity for example are not in the Bible (which simply means "book") but the idea and concept are definitely there. You are kind of making my point really. God is absolutely Sovereign even though the KJV which uses the Majority Textus Receptus manuscripts doesn't use it one time. The concept is there and is true but the way Calvinists define Sovereignty is the problem and why the new age versions are pushed by them. The Calvinist says God is so sovereign that you have no free will and he determines everything you say and do including sin itself! All sin is mysteriously caused by God "to his glory". Like we're a bunch of robots...Yikes! That called determinism an is heresy! Not to mention the worst part that Jesus didn't die for everyone just "the elect". John 3:16 is just the start of so many other verses that tell us otherwise. The KJV Bible is the best selling book of all time and continues to be for a reason. It is The Word of God in English for this time in history when the predominant language is just that... English! Not Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic. Be blessed :)
All the scriptures that show plainlt tt God gives man a choie toblieve or not blieve to begin with. You calvinists do Satan's work in accusing God of being unjust. Hate to be in your shoes come judgement day@@RenardGarzaro
Us believing in the Jesus is the “work” performed by God in us. It’s not a result of our own self. “Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”” - John 6:29 “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” - Philippians 2:12-13
I thought predestination and foreknowledge before the foundation of the world, was based on the fact that, he created the way for salvation through faith and he knew who would obey the gospel by believing it before the world even began! And yet he still created it, and he knew that some would reject the gospel (the vessels made for destruction), but ultimately it is still their free will of rejecting the gospel that sends them to hell. That combines free will, foreknowledge and Gods sovereignty all in one.
I think you’re describing Arminianism there. It’s just the other side of the Calvinism coin and makes wrong assumption of what words like “predestinate” and “foreknowledge” actually mean in the Bible, in context.
Right, John 6 makes it seem as though he only draws some people. John 12 expounds making it clear that Jesus draws all men by the cross; not just some. Scripture helps us understand scripture. - Trent
What would be the point of God's Grace and the Great Commission? If the Calvinistic T.U.L.I.P doctrine were true. Way to many scriptural inaccuracies.. Always a good idea to search the Scriptures .. Bibleline thank you l! Trent it looks like you got your work cut out for you and I know you have alot going on with ministry work.. You and pastor are a good team! I pray that the LORD keep a hedge around F.B.C. and Calvary of Tampa and whosoevers everywhere LORD give us strength needed to preach the Gospel of Grace and to continue the Journey unto eternal life.. It is in the mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray these things Thank You 🙏
Thank you so much James! I do have my work cut out, but I LOVE doing this job. It doesn't feel like work all the time, so praise the Lord. Thank you for praying for our ministry. - Trent
Well, weirdly, with me it went like this: I had been bullied badly in my teens and once I prayed to God, whose presence I got sharply aware of, and I said to Him, many things, among those “ok if you want those people to dominate me, probably you just want it that they, it’s my position in life and… well.. Ok”. And I finished praying with the thought in mind to never come back to prayer and just go to the world, because heavens were like bronze impenetrable. And as soon as I stopped, and let Go, some force turned me back to the desk I was sitting at, Ingot Hot air entering me, like fire, which resulted into Baptism of the Holy Spirit, with a tongue of fire on my head. So it was … you know… I had been baptised in the Russian Church at age 9, but I new nothing about Jesus, so I had no notion about putting Trust in His finished work on the cross and Resurrection. All I did, well I did nothing, I gave up on everything, well, I recognised that HE IS and everything depends on Him. And when that started, first I had tears, it was shameful by the very reason, and I remember that very clearly, I did nothing, I gave up, and I was being pulled into Salvation.Seconds later the shame was washed away by Grace. I was being shown mercilessly the shameful moments of my life which were being immediately washed away. Jews call salvation by Mercy- “the bread of shame”, it truly is. But they made a full theology of salvation by works because of that. PS in my case it was “Irresistible Grace”. But I am not a Calvinist. Also, before that Baptism of the Holy Spirit happened I had had that burning in my heart for years of being led and taught by God, but if you compare that with Baptism of the Holy Spirit it is like comparing you having God’s presence in you to God having you, seizing you, putting that yoke onto you which revives you and lifts you up.
Paul Washer has a muddled way of exegeting and interpreting scripture. He uses a confused, exaggerated, distorted, emotive description of Christianity and the Gospel. Not to mention being highly manipulative. The use of fear, obligation and guilt anywhere else would be the hallmarks of a bully. He mixes scriptural truths that don't fit together, ignores one's that don't fit his doctrine. He constantly twists scriptures to support his doctrine while ignoring the ones that don't. Too many things he extrapolates and draws out of the scriptures he quotes are just not true.
I am truly astonished at how a Calvinist contorts all of these ideas with the scriptures to come up with TULIP...How this nonsensical doctrine came into being just blows my mind...the only thing Christ/God Predestined was that anyone who would believe in Christ would be saved and would eventually be conformed or transformed (at the rapture or death) into Christ like existence forever...I agree with Pastor Martinez it is so confusing to follow him and if I may say so with all humility a little (if not a lot Arrogant to think that you are one of the chosen) One scripture that blows all of this out of the water is one of my favorites which shows that even as Totally depraved as humans may be...those are exactly the people Christ came down to die for. ROMANS 5:6-8 FOR WHEN WE WERE YET WITHOUT STRENGTH, IN DUE TIME CHRIST DIED FOR THE UNGODLY. FOR SCARCELY FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN WILL ONE DIE: YET PERADVENTURE (the word peradventure means perhaps) FOR A GOOD MAN SOME WOULD EVEN DARE TO DIE. BUT GOD COMMENDETH HIS LOVE TOWARD US, IN THAT, WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, CHRIST DIED FOR US. here is a short study on what predestination is: It is true that the Bible does teach predestination-but not for salvation. God did not predetermine who would believe, but rather what would HAPPEN to those who do believe. For example, Romans 8:29 reads, "For whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son." Some have thought this verse is saying that God chose SOME to be conformed to the image of His Son, instead of realizing that God foreknew who would believe and thus predetermined believers to be conformed to the image of His Son. Notice He did not predetermine who was going to believe but rather what would happen to those who did believe. The Bible also clearly teaches that some are chosen-but not for salvation, but rather for service. Many times, you may read the quotation of Christ, "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you..." Which appears to be saying that some are chosen for salvation until you read the entire verse which proves otherwise. "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain that whatsoever ye shall ask of the father in My Name, He may give it you" (John 15:16) (I believe Jesus was speaking only and directly to His disciples not to the world as we are all commanded to share the gospel this choosing was a special commission for Christ disciples and was given to the disciples in the upper room at the last supper). Another aspect brought up with regard to predestination is that Scripture teaches that no man seeks after God (Romans 3:11). But, what they fail to realize is that although no man would seek after God unless He did something to cause men to seek Him, Scriptures teach that God does something for all men to cause them to seek Him. This was clearly brought out by Christ, when He said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32). He also told of the Holy Spirit's ministry of convicting all the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement (John 16: 8-11). Thus we can see from the Scripture that God loves all humanity and died for the whole world's sins (Hebrews 2:9; I john 2:2) and He is "not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance (change of mind)" (II Peter 3:9). Hope everyone's Christmas was the best ever and your new year even more blessed than any other! Love Calvary, Pastor Jessie, Trent...Blessings to you all :)
I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, it’s about defending Calvinism not the Bible. You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe. If you just read the Bible you never will. It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube. You can't argue with them because they can't see out of their hole. The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation. We have an invitation to be part of it. Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose its own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.
election for service? how can you be elect for service before the foundation of the world if God doesn't also save you? that's like saying the apostles were elect for that service regardless of if they were saved or not, as if an unsaved person could be an apostle in Acts
Judas wasn’t elected to be damned. Jesus was going to use Judas as one of 12 disciples, but Judas rejected him. God still used him, which is interesting. - Trent
@@BibleLine that's not what the Bible says... john 5: 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?” 71 Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.
9:22 they( Calvinists) also reduce God to a robot who sets a decree and cannot change it, so their god is a hostage of “ evolutionary” disposing “broken” people unable to accept salvation. First of all- we know who invented evolution- evil spirits. Second, I don’t t remember where in the Old Testament, but there is a comparison of “local god” who cannot change the his decree but must follow up on it, and The Almighty who can change any decree at any given moment to turn it for good. The first one, is the evil one, satan. Looks like the Salvation of “parts of Adam” depends for Calvinists on the stage of “evolution”/ readiness to enter salvation of those parts of Adam. But salvation is 100% done by Christ and doesn’t borrow strength from Adam. New Creation.
Man is not equally evil , and there are different levels of hell Some demons are more evil than others and Satan is most evil Matthew 11:11 is a good example of some of this
Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Matthew 11:11
Paul Washer doesn't understand election, but we all make mistakes. I know there are things I don't know, that I think I do. Worse, though, I do what I know I shouldn't.
@deandalley3607 Yea, maybe the vast majority of Biblical interpreters are incorrect, and holding to the classical God of neo-platonism is key to hermanutics. This could be an instance where I'm wrong.
This is why the Bible has to be our standard. We cannot use everyday life examples, our own ideas and thoughts to interpret what we think God means. The scripture is clear on election. Washer interprets it through the lens of Lordship Salvation and Calvinism. - Trent
My friend,..verse 14 , you say: "before the white throne judgment " Paul explains, no. Think of it you response your statement to God. It is like creation ( understand it is impossible) asking /standing up against the Creator. Have you not red that John fell on his face in the presence of a angel, a bit higher created by God. My friend my friend.
@@deandalley3607 If you are that confident of John Calvin , then you would have no problem looking at Calvin through the lens of scripture putting it to the test. Brian on Faith On Fire youtube channel does a remarkable job comparing both biblical Christianity and John Calvin's writings..Check him out
We can’t receive faith without the working of the Holy Spirit. Faith is His gift to us : “John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.” - John 3:27 NKJV “There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” - I Corinthians 12:4-11 NKJV Faith is not nothing. It is everything for a believer. It is the gift of God. If you say that Faith is not received, then it is solely from us. But it is received by us from God. Check these scriptures below: God grants faith: “Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:” - 2 Peter 1:1 “For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.” - Romans 12:3 “The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”” - Luke 17:5 He is the founder of our faith. And through His sovereign working, He perfects our faith progressively: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.” - Hebrews 12:1-2 Our belief in Him in itself is because of His grace through His doing. It’s not an isolated example. Check this: “And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.” - Acts 18:27-28 NKJV
I thank you so much for your clear teaching drawing from scriptures the plain and ordinary meaning of words. Calvinism promotes a false gospel that back loads a works righteous gospel called lordship salvation. Calvinist bend and twist the meaning of words and remind me of talking to some one involved in a cult.
I really enjoy listening to Pastor Martinez and Pastor Thomas Cucuzza. I gain a lot of biblical knowledge and understanding listening to such excellent teaching. I do think the return of of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for his church is very close. The signs for the 7 year tribulation are clearly evident every day in the secular news. The new year has the potential to be very eventful for the middle east and Israel. @@BibleLine
Faith is the gift of God as is assigned by Him (not by us). We don’t manufacture or conjure up faith. We don’t create it. We are not the creator of anything. God is. Here is scripture for faith being the gift of God: “For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.” - Romans 12:3 Faith in Him also comes through Him (not through us): “And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.” Acts 3:16 “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17 (Faith comes by hearing His words, not by our manufacturing) “So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” - Matthew 16:14-17 (A man who is in flesh and blood can only believe when it is revealed to Him by the Father through the quickening of his heart by the Holy Spirit). “Now when they had come and gathered the church together, they reported all that God had done with them, and that He had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles.” - Acts 14:27 “For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,” - Philippians 1:29 (believing and suffering for His sake has been granted to believers, not a choice. If it was a choice to not suffer for His sake, people would be fine believing but not suffering).
So here’s what I think if it matters to anyone I don’t care about John MacArthur or Paul washer or John Piper or Tim Conway I don’t care about them. They lost. Just pray that they would get saved their completely lost. You should feel sorry for them. you can point them out, but that’s it go on there’s other things you guys should be doing, then constantly pointing out things that we already know we already know they’re going to hell unless they repent
From our perspective, yes we make a choice, but we wouldn't have wanted to even make that choice if regeneration didn't precede faith. From God's perspective, no one makes choices for Christ, He makes us willing to make a choice. Romans 3 says that no one seeks for God, that is a pretty all inclusive statement, among many others, Jesus says that whoever commits sin is the slave of sin, a slave has no rights of his own and cannot go free whenever he wants, Ephesians 2 and Colossians 2 say that we were dead in our trespasses and sins, and salvation is described as a spiritual resurrection, if we are not truly dead in the truest sense of the term, then salvation is not a true resurrection, which would contradict Scripture. Romans 12 says that God gives to each a measure of faith, showing that faith is a gift of God, not a gift that we give to Him.
Isn't it wrong to pick a preacher apart? My goodness. Stop! Preach the truth as the Bible says and God leads you, and let others pray and seek God for their own understanding of the scripture. God will lead all who seek to the truth. He doesn't need us to do this.
Washer starts out early on with a personal opinion scenario. "An if - then situation" where everybody goes to hell. He is wrong on that! The Bible clearly teaches in Matthew 7: 13-14 most individuals go to hell. Not everyone.
@@BibleLine those that have true faith are the elect.... do you really think election is some secret lottery where no one will know until they die and get to heaven and God pulls out the book and checks if you were on the list? 😂😂😂😂 i know its a cliche, but you do not understand reformed theology 🤣🤣
@@BibleLine the fact that anyone believes in Jesus and produces the fruits of the Spirit and has enduring faith is evidence of that it's not "your will is overridden" its called God replaces your heart of stone with a heart of flesh and puts His Spirit in you to obey His ordinances (Ezekiel 36:25-27) no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws Him, all that the Father gives to Jesus WILL come to Him and He will raise them up on the last day i have absolutely no idea how anyone anti Calvinist can seriously say they have assurance... perseverance of the saints(not the same as OSAS) is not only biblical but extremely assurance and you experience that reality throughout your life and is assurance from God that you are saved seems like the attack and vitriol against Calvinism are the people who want to create panic and fear, trying to get people to act right otherwise they wont be saved and so people can have something to brag about or take some credit because if election is not unconditional, then by default it is conditional what is that condition and why do some meet the condition and others don't? the rests entirely in the person making the choice🤨 i cannot say I believed or repented God gave me the faith, God repented me, God gave me His grace and His Spirit otherwise I'd be a reprobate on the way to hell, I wouldn't care a single bit about God or salvation otherwise all my choices only lead to hell, God's choice led me to salvation
God didn't "take away their ability to believe". Adam as our federal head sinned, and we are all subsequently conceived in sin and unbelief. It's the same as if one player on the team breaks the rules, the whole team gets penalized. So, man does indeed have a free will, that is, to do exactly what he wants and desires, and that is to sin and hate God freely. If he would but turn and believe he could be saved, but man willfully refuses and so he is completely culpable and without excuse just as the scriptures say. Also, Isaiah 1:18-20 is not about salvation, it's about the Nation Israel and their disobedience. If you maintain that passage is about the salvation of individual people, then you must believe we are saved by works of obedience as well. That passage is talking about blessings and curses on a whole nation and is analogous to the Christian life. If we obey we will prosper and the Lord will be with us, and if we rebel, and continue in sin, the Lord will punish us and we will be slaves of sin just as Israel rebelled and became slaves of other nations. It's not a text on soteriology. Limited Atonement in the sense you are thinking of it is hyper-Calvinism. Calvin (along with the Canons of Dort) believed and taught that Jesus did indeed die for the sins of the world and that the atonement is there and available to them, but they refuse. If they would simply lift a finger and use their free will to choose Him they could be saved, but again, they refuse by their own volition and so are wholly culpable. The fact that God decides to grant grace and repentance to some and not to all isn't injustice. He doesn't owe grace to anyone and certainly not to everyone. To some he makes a monument of his mercy and to others a monument to his justice, but no one gets injustice.
Or, does He send some of those “choice men” to hell, even if they [want] to believe? (Along with some to heaven against their will.) That whole doctrinal system is a mess. God .. is .. not .. the .. author .. of .. confusion. He also doesn’t make people sin. 🙄 People better open their eyes - their eternal destination depends on it! Stop blindly following what these flawed men say, get a good Bible, not corrupted by these flawed men, and study for yourselves. “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.” Everyone has the ability to believe. It’s simply a decision, once the Gospel has been heard, of whether or not a person will believe [it]. People believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. And these guys are trying to tell us a man can’t believe in the person of Jesus and what he did 2,000 years ago, which is captured in history by those who witnessed Him? Sorry .. I’ll watch the video now. I get a little wound up with this Calvinism nonsense. …….. Yes! Call your series “Election: Plain and Simple”! 🤭 The only way we can be held “without excuse” (Rom 1:20), is if we were allowed to make a choice in the first place. Regeneration comes first? Not according to Eph 1:13-14. 🤷♂️
The subtilty and craftiness of this damnable heresy disgusts me. It's garbage like this which brings this passage to mind... Colossians 2:8 - “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” I'm not sure if calvinism falls under what Colossians 2:8 is speaking of; however, it's clear that calvinism is satanic and turns people away from the Lord. Makes me sick.
Proverbs 16:1-7 (ESV): The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord. 2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the spirit. 3 Commit your work to the Lord, and your plans will be established. 4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. 5 Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished. 6 By steadfast love and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for, and by the fear of the Lord one turns away from evil. 7 When a man’s ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. God is sovereign. We are responsible, no one knows how this works out. You are dead in your sins with out Jesus. Election is all over the Bible, even our works we do are elected. Paul worked harder than all the other apostles, but not him but Gods grace in him. He didn’t even do the work. With all that said we are made in the image of God, and thus the highest form of created thing, but that shows how deep sin goes.
To add to this, check out the KJV version of Proverbs 16:1-7 and read slowly and carefully: ”The preparations of the heart in man, And the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD. All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; But the LORD weigheth the spirits.“ Proverbs 16:1-2 KJV KJV makes it clear that both the plans of the heart and answer of the tongue belongs to God.
Just reading your title makes me think that you need to study your Bible more and what the historic church says on these matters. Read Romans study it thoroughly . Read John Study thoroughly. If God is not sovereign over salvation, then and God is not sovereign.
God can be completely sovereign, and man can still have a free will. It is not like these two things are diametrically opposed. We chose to sin; God did not make us sin. Satan chose to fall; God did not make him fall. We chose to believe; God does not make us believe. This does not conflict with His sovereignty. Once we believe, God still enacts all the saving from His own power. I am not literally giving myself eternal life; He is. He sees the individual trust in Christ, and He saves that person. Cf. Romans 3:20-28 (unto all and upon all them that believe...) and John 3:15-18 (He that believeth... He that believeth not...) - Trent
John 16:8-9 I can’t understand why these Calvinist can’t take all of Scripture. In context they take John 6:44 and say see… See, nobody can come Jesus, unless the Father draws him? Correct 👍 that’s the job of the Holy Spirit ….conviction! To convict/convince lost people of unbelief… at some point in every man’s life they will come under conviction/be drawn…Jesus said if I be lifted up, I will draw/convict/convince ALL MEN to/about Myself👍 back to 16:8-9 when the Holy Spirit is convicting man of his unbelief, because that’s the only unforgiven sin, and that’s the only sin that Holy Spirit convicts nonbelievers of…john 16:9 UNBELIEF. And that’s the only sin man will be going to hell for Matthew 12:31-32.
You are correct it is the Job of the Holy Spirit, however if Everyman comes under conviction that would be universal salvation because Jesus said he would lose none of them that the father gives him, keep reading. Is everyone going to heaven, no then the father did not draw them. You are born again when God puts his spirit in you, he said he would never leave you, how can you be lost?
Just because the Spirit convicts a man of something does not mean that the man will therefore believe or obey the truth. Every person is literally convicted; John 16, "Of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment..." John 12:32 literally states that Jesus "will draw all men unto myself..." by the cross. Every man has the free choice to accept or reject. You are fallaciously overbearing the conviction to the point of forcing a positive reaction from man. Jonah surely was convicted, but he rebelled. Peter, David, Solomon, Abraham, Lot, Demas, even Paul! These men all received conviction, but they had moments of rebellion. Do you not think that the Spirit would convict us of all sin? Are we therefore perfect? NO, because we can resist! Stephen said it best in Acts 7:51 : "Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost..." - Trent
We are not criticizing the man, but we are criticizing his false message. The apostles did this frequently regarding the false doctrine in their day. Even Christ did this himself regarding the Pharisees. We pray Paul Washer would understand the truth. - Trent
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is Good news. There is no gospel in Paul Washers Calvinism. It is all bad news. Therefore it is not Christianity any more than Mormonism Jehovah Witness or Catholicism. Islam teaches the same doctrine as Calvinism. According to Islam, Allah is absolutely deterministic. As Caner and Caner write: One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109). It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states: It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings: …some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). [God] arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death…(Institutes, 3.23.6). In the same way, Allah leads astray whom he wills, and saves whom he wills (Surah 14:4): Allah is exalted and pleased as he sends people to hell: this is the fatalistic claim of Islam. Fatalism is a belief that events are fixed in advance for all time in such a manner that human beings are powerless to change them. In this case, Allah will send to heaven whomever he pleases, and send to hell whomever he pleases (Unveiling Islam, pp. 31-32). The sovereignty of Allah in Islam and God in Calvinism is absolutely deterministic. They are the author of every action, word, and thought, including sin and evil. Moreover, they predetermined before time everything that shall occur in time including who will be given the gift of faith and eternal life, and who will not and be condemned to eternal death. Love De-Emphasized In Islam, Allah is virtually devoid of love. Caner and Caner list 99 names of Allah, and only one includes a reference to love (and this only to those who are “his own”). They write: When Allah is discussed within the Islamic community, the absence of intimacy, atonement, and omnibenevolence becomes apparent. In all the terms and titles of Allah, one does not encounter terms of intimacy. . . Even the most faithful and devout Muslim refers to Allah only as servant to master; Allah is a distant sovereign (Unveiling Islam, p. 117). But what do we find in Calvinism? God’s sovereignty-His power and holiness-are emphasized at the expense of His love. Paul Washer is a False teacher of the doctrine of Demons, a liar and a fool, for he has rejected the God that would save him but has chosen to follow the Devil!
I think you guys are obsessed with lost people you point them out is Boss teachers false converts and that’s it don’t listen to them. Don’t even spend your time on them. Don’t waste your time on these people. Just let everyone know. These people are false teachers.
God knowing what free will agents will do before they do it does not logically follow that he caused them to do it. He knows what they will do because they freely chose to do it. Calvinists are stunted philosophers not bible believers.
JMac, Washer, Piper (every Calvinist I know): "Man is so totally depraved he can't & won't seek God he is unwilling & incapable" Bible: Nathaniel an Israelite in whom is no guile. Noah, a preacher of Righteousness. Job, blameless upright feared God & shunned evil. Moses, humble. Enoch walked with God. David, a man after God's own heart. Nicodemus hunts down Jesus for a 1 on 1. Zacheus runs ahead, climbs a tree to see Jesus. Ethiopian Treasurer acquires a copy of Isaiah & reads it. Cornelius prays gives alms his faith belief that God exists is rewarded (per: Jesus' promise to those who ask, seek & knock). Lydia attends a prayer meeting then listens to Paul (per: Jesus saying "Blessed are those who hunger thirst for righteousness they shall be filled"). Why you were born, when you were born, where you were born...to seek/feel for God, He is not far from anyone of us (Acts 17:26-31).
We kept our remarks in the entire context of his conversation. He said what he meant, and we commented on it while using the scripture. Did you watch the whole video? We have another part coming soon containing the rest of the video... - Trent
”But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.“
John 1:12-13
P.s: These are the Words of the living God, not Calvin. This is the doctrine of God and not man. God is sovereign in all things, not only in those that we prefer.
“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” - Philippians 2:12-13
Ah yes, this brings back memories. Of my days fawning at the feet of our ages "sages" the greats of modern Reformed Theology. I saw this when it was new. At the time, I thought Washer's analysis was horrifying and brilliant. God, the awe-inspiring dictator, Christ the righteous destroyer. Now, I look at it knowing where that hamster wheel of navel-gazing leads. The real answer is obvious, it's in the book. John 3:16. Whosoever really means whosoever. If you want to believe him, he lets you have it. That is the sovereign will of God. No philosophy. No tricks. It's free.
Some people say that the “proof” that Christianity is a false religion is the fact that there are countless different denominations.
But ironically THAT is the proof that Christianity is the one TRUE religion.
Satan attacks only Christianity by creating confusion with numerous false denominations that preach a false doctrine.
Satan isn't creating numerous sects of Islam or Hinduism because he knows they're false and one is automatically lost by following anything other than Christ.
Interesting observation using logic. I would tend to agree with you. Satan doesn't want anyone to hear the truth!
- Trent
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Atheists are proof that God exists.
Countless times I have heard atheists compare God to Santa Klaus or a cartoon character.
Why then hasn’t anyone written volumes of books and held conferences about how Bugs Bunny and Scooby Doo don’t exist just like they do with God?
Because atheists KNOW that God exists, and all that they do is, in reality, meant to CONVINCE THEMSELVES that He doesn’t exist while pretending that they are trying to convince us.
They don’t want God to exist but if only subconsciously they know that he exists.
yes satan has been a liar since the beginning.
@@BibleLineApparently Calvinists don't either.😂
Wow, you're so right! Satan didn't pick Hinduism, Buddhism, or Islam to be his bride mystery Babylon. Satan picked the church because he always wanted what's God's.
Can You believe when I was 1st looking for the Truth I found Paul washer and others in this Calvinist camp and I Honestly thought I couldn’t do any of this. Not only can’t I do it but apparently I’m not apart of the election so that makes a person Hate God. Why ? Because that’s a God who brought Me into a World with no Hope but a fearful Expectation of Death and punishment in Hell. But God is so Loving and Patient and led Me to Dr Yankee Arnold and many others like Him and I was like WOW that’s the Real Jesus of the Bible and I Love God and I love that I have Peace and Security knowing I’m going to Heaven because I know the Simplicity of the Gospel and I Put My Trust in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ and Him Alone to Save Me. So it needs to be said how many people who know there sinners and been turned away by False Teachers and give up because they know they can’t do the work of the false Gospel. It’s Sad 😞 because if they knew they were following the wrong Gospel they could be freed by the Gospel of Grace 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ❤Believe it and be set free Amen 🙏
That’s amazing! Thanks Gary.
- Trent
THAT is the first question we should ask ourselves? Wow! That's not the foundation that was laid, which is Jesus Christ! Just wow!
Is Christ not the foundation or cornerstone of the Church? In reference to election and predestination foundations is attached to the world, meaning earth right?
John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
John 10:30 (ESV)
30 I and the Father are one.”
Luke 8:10 KJV - And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
I felt that "removal of glasses"stressed moment.
Please make more Paul washer videos! This man's teachings led me into severe depression and confusion as a young person
The Bible teaches the goodness of God leads one to repentance. Romans chapter 2.
Yes it leads one to a change of mind that they can [never] be lost because Jesus already did all of the work. Glory be to God!
John 1 the light that lighteth EVERY MAN who comes into the world.
In this, I am pro choice.
John 1:9 "That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world".
Note: to every man, not to every preselected man.
Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior 🙏🙏🙏.
The first thing they should say is “This is a doctrine of Man, not a Doctrine of God.”
Jesus was the one who said no man can come to him unless the father the father sends them, it could not be all men because said he would lose none that the father gave him and all men will not be saved. Is Jesus wrong?
@@RenardGarzaro the verse you mentioned is a “Doctrine of God”. So no
Btw this should go without saying
Just because something is a doctrine of man, doesn’t mean it’s not true
There are lots of doctrines of men that are true or are almost completely true
@@RenardGarzaro A doctrine of God is a Bible verse or a passage of scripture
A doctrine of man is an interpretation of scripture or a doctrine based on a scripture (proof text)
Calvinism is a philosophical doctrine backed up by proof texts in the Bible and is obviously a doctrine of man, not a doctrine of God
@@RenardGarzaro I also consider a Bible verse out of context to be a doctrine of God
Really liking ur teaching
Joshua 24:14-15 KJV
[14] Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. [15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Father's blessings, peace and love to the BibleLine ministry. Praise Jesus for everything, every day for He alone is worthy to be Praised.
Solid scripture. Thank you so much!!
- Trent
don't forget 24.19 "Ye _cannot_ serve the Lord" Joshua knew how wicked the people were. yes God commands us to serve him but he knows we cannot without his work in our hearts Ezekiel 36.26. you guys need to stop cherry picking verses to support free will
@@hondotheology Jesus gave the commands to love thy neighbor as you love yourself and to love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart soul body and mind. Both of those are volitional actions and would be pointless for Jesus to say if we have no ability to choose to do so.
@@hondotheology amen!
So was the Mosaic law pointless? The Bible is full of commands that we by nature do not keep or follow. Even our best efforts are like filthy rags apart from saving faith in Christ. Jesus giving us commands that He knows we can’t or won’t follow shows us how much we need a Savior. Do we truly understand how Holy God is? If we break one law, if we fail to follow one command, just one time in all our life…we deserve hell. Stop trusting in your ability to obey God’s commands and humbly recognize your inability to love God apart from the grace He freely gives. Ephesians 2:8-10 is very clear. Saving faith comes from God, not from our free will choice. We are all born spiritually dead, how then can a dead person choose life? Before you can receive the gift of faith, you must be reborn in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. If the name “Calvin” offends you, call it the doctrines of grace. It’s absolutely biblical. Arminians act like their doctrine isn’t also named after a man. Before you mention “Calvinist glasses” try removing the log from your own eye. If Calvinist presuppose their doctrine into the text, then do anti-Calvinist not also?
Amen! Amen! Amen!
thank you
Calvinism makes God some kind of terrible MONSTER who could have chosen to save all but did not clearly the bible says choose ye this day whom you will serve Israel had the kingdom offered to them legitimately but would not
The terrible said all of those things before Calvin was born, read Ezekiel 36 and Jeremiah 18 these are the scriptures Jesus was referring to when talking to Nicodemus, Calvin was nowhere around when God told Israel he would take out their heart of stone and put in a heart of flesh, he did not tell them to do anything he said he would do it, He said he would wash them with water and put his spirit in them and cause them to walk in his was, sounds pretty robotic to me. God is the one who decides what is terrible and what is not.
guess then God is equally a monster eitherway if we say people choose to go to hell. Why? Because he has the ability to stop them but doesnt. As a mother, if my child chose to play in the road and an adult said he chose to! that aint honorable to let someone die just because of some free will. i think you underestimate the sinfulness of man and imagine man is even capable to choose God. If God left us totally to our free will, we would all not come to faith. He has to actually give us a heart of flesh. Give us faith, and give birth to us in our spirit. Another metaphor. What role did you play in your natural birth? Why would you think you played a role in your spiritual birth? A mother will let hundreds of her eggs go to waste and choose only a few to get a baby. do we say she is evil for not giving the other eggs a chance by getting pregnant every ovulation? no! they were going to die anyway, but her choice to have a baby is celebrated. we all are destined to die but if God choooses to save some, we celebrate his mercy. this free will, is actually an illusion. If we are to truly question it, we will find no one has ever had a free will to choose to not sin. if we had that capacity, we would not need Jesus. so if we cant even freely resist Sin, how much more would we fail to freely of our own choose to believe God who is the opposite of everything that comes naturally to us, namely perfectly holy? note, we never chose our birth or how we look or where we were born but we are all happy to be alive. God does not give us eternal life against our will. When he chooses to give us new life, we celebrate the life we have. he doesnt take us to heaven kicking and screaming against our will. neither do people go to hell mourning and resisting. Those going to hell are running towards it! and we who have been raised and given life, we who were once dead in sin, glance on our saviour and see how wonderful he is so we turn around and start walking towards him now that he has opened our eyes. He made the first step. but God is even better than a mother. While a mother gives birth, nurtures you, a mother has no capacity to live for a child, a child must breath and eat to live. and once a child is an adult, he or she is almost left completely to fend for himslef. God is always involved in our spiritual life while we are still babies in faith and will still walk with us when we are mature christians, never leaving us until our glorification (no more sin in us at resurrection) and once we are glorified, he will still not leave us but we have the wonderful promise to be with him always. so believe it or not, we are nothing, we are lost, we are dead without God choosing us first. so many scriptures in support of this doctrine. its all over scripture if we could just stop thinking too highly of ourselves. This is unfortunately a catholic doctrine that teaches man is capable of good and some protestants left the catholic church but still hold onto this deception. see if free will were the ultimate, with the way i sin every single day, what assurance do i have that one day i wont just decide to walk away from this "faith i so freely chose"? The only way the verses that promise that we shall never be lost make sense is if God keeps us. Or do you assume we freely choose God of our own accord then suddenly he traps us in faith and doesnt let us go when we choose to leave? also , if all it takes is our own faith, how sure are you, that the faith you have in God, is enough to save you? is your faith atleast at the quality of a mustard seed or what do you have to measure and be sure it is enough? what assurance do you have if you have to keep yourself?
it is not God that is the monster. it is me, myself and i. God created me, and all abundance for me to use as needed freely. The only thing that God wanted from me was for me to thank Him and trust Him. And i couldn't even do that, self-righteous prick that i am. i chose to trust my wife that eating the fruit was OK. i was a whimp. i should have taken the fruit out of my wife's hands, put it back on the tree, and tell God what just happened, and ask God what to do with that vile snake. I didn't do all that, so i rightly deserve my punishment. i just ask God to go easy on my wife, for she was easily seduced by that smooth talking lover boy snake. i am to blame. i shouldn't even let my wife come close to the snake, the tree and the fruit. i am really sorry, but i can't change what happened. please forgive me Lord Christ Jesus. Please have mercy on me.
1. Most who believe in God's sovereign election are not Calvinists.
2. You can't strip God of his sovereignty without stripping him of his omniscience, omnipotence, and his eternal Godhood.
3. The 99%+ of humanity are lost, and when burning in the lake of fire, they will curse God forever and much worse than calling him a monster. God doesn't care about being popular.
Paul Washer does a horrible job when he isn't behind the pulpit with his well thought out fancy speeches.😮😮
If what you do (Choice, live right, remain in the vine etc.) is what allows you to get in heaven, you are not saved by Grace you are saved by your ability to make a good choice, live the right way, and your strength to hold on. It is evident you do not need God. The Who are saved by Grace understand the left up to their free will they will choose themselves every time, your will is not as free as you think it is, why do you still sin, you have free stop it, why are you asking God to do what you free will to stop.
You forget one very important matter. Believers are filled with the Holy Spirit that guides us, enables us to walk in the Spirit . He doesnt force us, but guides us..I don't "choose myself everytime", my choice is always to serve the Lord , and have for 30 years. We still have the choice. We are NOT robots. We CHOOSE to love thye Father, NOT forced to. Honestly I dont know how anyone can be that deceived and not receive truth and correction from scripture. Calvinism is limited atonement, forced grace , and the origin of Calvinism is satan, same as JW, LDS, Islam. Faith On Fire on RUclips objectively compares Calvin with biblical Christianity .......ruclips.net/video/z7Re5kgc5BI/видео.html
Getting eternal life is not attained by the man choosing to WORK any which of way. Believing is not a work, but it is something God has given to every man to be able to exercise it or not. The man must choose to accept or reject Christ as his Savior. All the works done afterwards are still a choice, but they are now pleasing to the Father in heaven. Believing is not something God must give to you first. He allows ALL to make the choice. This is not works unless the subject matter is works; faith is not works.
- Trent
If repentance is a gift from God then since God wants everyone to come to repentance why dosent he give that gift to all
Saving as many as possible is clearly not God's main objective. If it was, the world would be full of angels working miracles, exposing false religions, and teaching people the truth.
“And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.””- - John 6:65 NKJV What about my free will now? Would we say this to Jesus?
“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.” - John 6:44 NKJV What about my free will now? Would we say this to Jesus? Would we say this to Jesus? Would we say here that Jesus is saying that no man can come to Him unless this fallen man makes a choice of his own free will to come to Him?
John 12:32: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
All men without distinction or without exception. Clearly, because all men don’t receive Jesus. Then there are two ways to see it. One, your position, because men’s will to reject Jesus prevails His will to save everybody. In that case, men’s will is sovereign and not God’s. In that case, when Jesus said it is finished, He didn’t really mean it or He lied, because men still had to believe and do the last bit to be saved. Or, the second option is then that all people are what Revelation 5:9 means. That is, all people without distinction (not exception). Because, when someone is truly drawn Bu the Father to Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, it’s impossible to resist it and see it as an inferior option. The Holy Spirit resurrects the spiritually dead person, not man.
If all men without exception are drawn to Jesus, then God’s drawing is powerful enough to effectually save everybody. The obvious conclusion, then, is that universalism is true. There is no hell in that case and all would go to heaven. We know, that’s not Biblical, brother.
Hey Trent if you ever want me to clean the audio up or even try to get rid of the background noise... That's my specialty...
Haha, yeah, this one was pretty bad. I thought to adjust the audio, but I like to leave things as original as possible. I personally did the subtitles. Thanks Tommy, I will keep that in mind.
- Trent
@@BibleLine lol NP, yeah was hard to hear but good thing you had the subs.
Our believing is through grace (not of ourselves, but because of the work of the Holy Spirit):
“And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.” - Acts 18:27-28 NKJV
Why did Jesus call Nathaniel a man with no guile?
The issue with false doctrines is they don’t match reality.
I get a stomach ache just trying to understand Calvinism.
Sad part is most the ones I know get real angry and are stressed out people. But to them it matters not. Bc they are elect!!! They can do as they wish bc it’s sealed for them.
Once they find out I’m not Calvinist they won’t be my friend anymore. Lost jobs from not being calvanist.
If it’s an ism it isn’t him.
Jesse Martinez, there were some people that you said did not share the gospel but I’ve watched their videos and they that’s all they ever talk about is the gospel so we really want you to give open statement that you misled people because I’m subscribed to them also and they share the gospel so whether you miss spoke, we would please ask for an apologyby the way, I love your videos
Jesse didn’t say they “don’t share the gospel…” He said he doesn’t really know if they do. He said he wasn’t sure how clear they really are. In our conversing with this entire group, it’s been clouded in mystery and attacks.
DB literally accused us of having a false gospel because we reconcile James and Paul. Roman’s 4 and James 2 fit perfectly.
- Trent
Hi Trent! Hope you can respond to this. Love what you guys are doing! I’m kind of split down the middle, I believe God does give a choice to us to believe because if He created us to just “love” Him by default, it wouldn’t truly be love. Like if you force your significant other to love you, it isn’t really love, it’s obedience fueled by fear.
But on the other hand, God is eternal. He is outside of time and I think where we go wrong is we try to shoehorn Him into our human understanding of things. So if He’s outside of time then He already sees the end from the beginning. Someone put it to me this way….if you record a sports game and watch it later. The game is already over, but you know who wins, you know what player scored the winning point, you know how many fouls there were, and so on…but that doesn’t change the free will the players had in the game.
It’s not a prefect analogy, I know this. In the same way God knows who believed and who didn’t because He is at creation, He is at the crucifixion, and He is with us in heaven simultaneously. He is I AM after all.
So in my mind, there is a tension that exists with these points because….we’re human, and our brains cannot compare to or fully comprehend our glorious God on this side of death. I can’t even remember what I had for breakfast sometimes😂
But I’m open to biblical reasoning all day long so if you have anything to add or correct, I’m open to it. Love you guys and God bless!
How funny! I made the same point too. It's so weird they can't see that. God bless.
@@jabberwocky8021 Hahaha glad I’m not the only one. God bless to you as well!
Hey there! Thanks for the comment.
The answer has to rely on the truth in the scripture. We must be objective and fair. Have you ever considered the fact that God wills all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:1-6), but not all men are saved? That answers the entire equation for me.
God desires everyone be saved, regardless of His foreknowledge of the outcome. Nonetheless, He allows man the freedom to believe in His Son.
God is ultimately just in this aspect. He died for ALL sin of ALL people of ALL time - 1 John 2:1-2, Romans 3:20-31. None will be able to look at God and accuse Him of never giving them the opportunity to believe. Nor will they tell Him that He did not die for their sin.
The entirety of our salvation into eternal life hinges on this: DO YOU BELIEVE? John 3:15-18. The only reason someone ever goes to hell is because they never believe.
That is free will. Hope this helps with whatever thy mind thinketh haha
- Trent
@@BibleLine Ahhhh that first point is very interesting I never thought of it like that, it definitely does clear it up for me. I’ll definitely read the verses you mentioned to brush up on it. Man, what a loving God we serve. Thanks for your reply! Have a safe and happy new year, God bless!
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. 1 Tim. 1:13.
Therefore, since everyone who was ever born of a woman is concluded under sin, it goes without saying that He came to save everyone. The provision is ample enough for all, but only those who believe can be made partakers.
Unfortunately, too many will not acknowledge the authority of God's law, and will not confess themselves to be sinners, and therefore the "promise by faith of Jesus Christ" cannot be given to them; for we are taught in Gal 3:22, that it is necessary for men to be "concluded under sin," in order that they may be sharers in the promise by faith.
Calvinism is a doctrine of demons.
It is filled with deception. There is always a little grain of truth thrown in,, but Satan is very subtle in his deception.
- Trent
...if Washer be true....than it seems as though he is making God out to be very insecure.
Only God can open someone’s mind and heart to understand these things:
“Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”” - Luke 24:44-49 ESV
“For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” - II Corinthians 4:6
“But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” - II Corinthians 4:3-4
“Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.”- I Corinthians 12:3
P.s: These are the Words of the living God, not Calvin. This is the doctrine of God and not man. God is sovereign in all things, not only in those that we prefer.
Summary
God has prepared everything. He has come to give things to you.
A man can only be scared into fainting and being paralyzed….he can never be scared into being good.
God has come to solve the problems within us. In Him we have a new life, a new nature, new affections.
If there is no sense of internal suffering when someone sins it is doubt to whether they are born again children of God.
Got desires mercy. This means he likes to give things to you. He does not desire sacrifice. He does not like us to give things to Him.
If God can give things away. This will make him happy. This is salvation. Salvation isn’t to make man happy; it is to make God happy. God likes to give and keep giving. He wants to work continuously on us. He wants to give us grace.
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
Romans 9 : 11
Verse 15 ??
Romans 9 : 6 - 33, Paul explains the doctrine.
Does Christ have faith? for whom? what does the faith of Christ imply? how is man justified , by self or by Christ?
The onus is put on the individual to believe in Christ. Yes, the Bible says "of Christ, in Christ, on Christ, etc..." but Jesus made it clear: "Whosoever believeth IN HIM..." - John 3:16
- Trent
If anything, you guys are making Paul washer and John MacArthur relevant just let them go. They’re already gone.
Interesting fact, the word sovereign and sovereignty are not even in the Bible. The KJV Bible that is, do a search. All other per-verions use it almost 200 times! Why? Because it helps uplift Calvinism. Beware
Hello the Word rapture isn't in the bible either. At least not in English. In Greek it's harpazo. Also, Neither is the word Bible. God is sovereign despite how men like PW define His Sovereignty. Please listen: the last thing you ever want to do is say certain words aren't in the bible. Not trying to sound mean, but it shows your ignorance. The Bible was written in Hebrew,(OT), Greek (NT), and Jesus spoke Aramaic, which if I can recall, was an older type of the Hebrew language. Translations were done in Latin Vulgate and Latin Septuagint. EVENTUALLY it was translated into English. Did you really think English was the original language of the Holy Scripture? I see so many atheists get the better of Christians in a debate over this simple little thing that should NEVER have won them the debate. Just be careful. Cecille B DeMill didn't write the original Exodus and Charleton Heston wasn't the original Moses. When Moses said"Let my people go", you wouldn't have known what he was saying .
@ValerieCox-t7d Thanks for the reply! I understand that the word rapture as well as Trinity for example are not in the Bible (which simply means "book") but the idea and concept are definitely there. You are kind of making my point really. God is absolutely Sovereign even though the KJV which uses the Majority Textus Receptus manuscripts doesn't use it one time. The concept is there and is true but the way Calvinists define Sovereignty is the problem and why the new age versions are pushed by them. The Calvinist says God is so sovereign that you have no free will and he determines everything you say and do including sin itself! All sin is mysteriously caused by God "to his glory". Like we're a bunch of robots...Yikes! That called determinism an is heresy! Not to mention the worst part that Jesus didn't die for everyone just "the elect". John 3:16 is just the start of so many other verses that tell us otherwise. The KJV Bible is the best selling book of all time and continues to be for a reason. It is The Word of God in English for this time in history when the predominant language is just that... English! Not Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic. Be blessed :)
Like Catholicism Calviniosm likes to hearken back to the fathers and tradition as their source. whenever they cna't twist a Scripture enough
What scriptures where twisted, elaborate.
All the scriptures that show plainlt tt God gives man a choie toblieve or not blieve to begin with. You calvinists do Satan's work in accusing God of being unjust. Hate to be in your shoes come judgement day@@RenardGarzaro
The biggest one: Eph. 2:8. Faith is not the gift. Salvation is the gift of God.
- Trent
It is for them like Paul Washer that Jesus was speaking about in Matthew 7:15-23
We pray he understands the truth if never before!
- Trent
Paul Washer is the hysterical cry baby of the goat industry.
How to avoid gossip?
To say No to hear and not to speak my personal life pastor. Give practical tips from Bible
More Calvinist nonsense from Washer!!!
Election is to servitude not salvation.
Us believing in the Jesus is the “work” performed by God in us. It’s not a result of our own self. “Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”” - John 6:29
“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” - Philippians 2:12-13
I thought predestination and foreknowledge before the foundation of the world, was based on the fact that, he created the way for salvation through faith and he knew who would obey the gospel by believing it before the world even began! And yet he still created it, and he knew that some would reject the gospel (the vessels made for destruction), but ultimately it is still their free will of rejecting the gospel that sends them to hell. That combines free will, foreknowledge and Gods sovereignty all in one.
I think you’re describing Arminianism there. It’s just the other side of the Calvinism coin and makes wrong assumption of what words like “predestinate” and “foreknowledge” actually mean in the Bible, in context.
@@g-manthenurseman7532 so what would you say the "correct" interpretation is?
They love that word truly
Doesn't radical depravity go right out the window with cain & abel? How was Abel able to offer a pleasing sacrifice? Did God make him?
Abel was a born-again, Spirit-filled child of God. Cain was a religious child of Satan.
I think the "drawing" remark is referring to John 6 rather than John 12.
Right, John 6 makes it seem as though he only draws some people. John 12 expounds making it clear that Jesus draws all men by the cross; not just some. Scripture helps us understand scripture.
- Trent
What would be the point of God's Grace and the Great Commission? If the Calvinistic T.U.L.I.P doctrine were true. Way to many scriptural inaccuracies.. Always a good idea to search the Scriptures .. Bibleline thank you l! Trent it looks like you got your work cut out for you and I know you have alot going on with ministry work.. You and pastor are a good team! I pray that the LORD keep a hedge around F.B.C. and Calvary of Tampa and whosoevers everywhere LORD give us strength needed to preach the Gospel of Grace and to continue the Journey unto eternal life.. It is in the mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray these things Thank You 🙏
Thank you so much James!
I do have my work cut out, but I LOVE doing this job. It doesn't feel like work all the time, so praise the Lord. Thank you for praying for our ministry.
- Trent
Thank you Pastor!! This is solid 🔥
The site was probably taken down because they left Calvinism lol
1cor1 says who the elect are. So does the sermon on the mount.
20:40 Why?
Well, weirdly, with me it went like this: I had been bullied badly in my teens and once I prayed to God, whose presence I got sharply aware of, and I said to Him, many things, among those “ok if you want those people to dominate me, probably you just want it that they, it’s my position in life and… well.. Ok”. And I finished praying with the thought in mind to never come back to prayer and just go to the world, because heavens were like bronze impenetrable.
And as soon as I stopped, and let Go, some force turned me back to the desk I was sitting at, Ingot Hot air entering me, like fire, which resulted into Baptism of the Holy Spirit, with a tongue of fire on my head. So it was … you know… I had been baptised in the Russian Church at age 9, but I new nothing about Jesus, so I had no notion about putting Trust in His finished work on the cross and Resurrection. All I did, well I did nothing, I gave up on everything, well, I recognised that HE IS and everything depends on Him.
And when that started, first I had tears, it was shameful by the very reason, and I remember that very clearly, I did nothing, I gave up, and I was being pulled into Salvation.Seconds later the shame was washed away by Grace. I was being shown mercilessly the shameful moments of my life which were being immediately washed away.
Jews call salvation by Mercy- “the bread of shame”, it truly is.
But they made a full theology of salvation by works because of that.
PS in my case it was “Irresistible Grace”. But I am not a Calvinist.
Also, before that Baptism of the Holy Spirit happened I had had that burning in my heart for years of being led and taught by God, but if you compare that with Baptism of the Holy Spirit it is like comparing you having God’s presence in you to God having you, seizing you, putting that yoke onto you which revives you and lifts you up.
@jesse a “Washerism” 😆that’s awesome
Made me laugh too!
- Trent
Paul Washer has a muddled way of exegeting and interpreting scripture.
He uses a confused, exaggerated, distorted, emotive description of Christianity and the Gospel.
Not to mention being highly manipulative.
The use of fear, obligation and guilt anywhere else would be the hallmarks of a bully.
He mixes scriptural truths that don't fit together, ignores one's that don't fit his doctrine.
He constantly twists scriptures to support his doctrine while ignoring the ones that don't.
Too many things he extrapolates and draws out of the scriptures he quotes are just not true.
I am truly astonished at how a Calvinist contorts all of these ideas with the scriptures to come up with TULIP...How this nonsensical doctrine came into being just blows my mind...the only thing Christ/God Predestined was that anyone who would believe in Christ would be saved and would eventually be conformed or transformed (at the rapture or death) into Christ like existence forever...I agree with Pastor Martinez it is so confusing to follow him and if I may say so with all humility a little (if not a lot Arrogant to think that you are one of the chosen)
One scripture that blows all of this out of the water is one of my favorites which shows that even as Totally depraved as humans may be...those are exactly the people Christ came down to die for.
ROMANS 5:6-8
FOR WHEN WE WERE YET WITHOUT STRENGTH, IN DUE TIME CHRIST DIED FOR THE UNGODLY. FOR SCARCELY FOR A RIGHTEOUS MAN WILL ONE DIE: YET PERADVENTURE (the word peradventure means perhaps) FOR A GOOD MAN SOME WOULD EVEN DARE TO DIE. BUT GOD COMMENDETH HIS LOVE TOWARD US, IN THAT, WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, CHRIST DIED FOR US.
here is a short study on what predestination is:
It is true that the Bible does teach predestination-but not for salvation. God did not predetermine who would believe, but rather what would HAPPEN to those who do believe. For example, Romans 8:29 reads, "For whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son." Some have thought this verse is saying that God chose SOME to be conformed to the image of His Son, instead of realizing that God foreknew who would believe and thus predetermined believers to be conformed to the image of His Son. Notice He did not predetermine who was going to believe but rather what would happen to those who did believe.
The Bible also clearly teaches that some are chosen-but not for salvation, but rather for service. Many times, you may read the quotation of Christ, "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you..." Which appears to be saying that some are chosen for salvation until you read the entire verse which proves otherwise. "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain that whatsoever ye shall ask of the father in My Name, He may give it you" (John 15:16) (I believe Jesus was speaking only and directly to His disciples not to the world as we are all commanded to share the gospel this choosing was a special commission for Christ disciples and was given to the disciples in the upper room at the last supper).
Another aspect brought up with regard to predestination is that Scripture teaches that no man seeks after God (Romans 3:11). But, what they fail to realize is that although no man would seek after God unless He did something to cause men to seek Him, Scriptures teach that God does something for all men to cause them to seek Him. This was clearly brought out by Christ, when He said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32). He also told of the Holy Spirit's ministry of convicting all the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement (John 16: 8-11).
Thus we can see from the Scripture that God loves all humanity and died for the whole world's sins (Hebrews 2:9; I john 2:2) and He is "not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance (change of mind)" (II Peter 3:9).
Hope everyone's Christmas was the best ever and your new year even more blessed than any other!
Love Calvary, Pastor Jessie, Trent...Blessings to you all :)
That is really good my friend. Calvinism is just illogical as well as unscriptural.
Very well put. Thank you for the support!
- Trent
I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, it’s about defending Calvinism not the Bible.
You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe.
If you just read the Bible you never will.
It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube.
You can't argue with them because they can't see out of their hole.
The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation.
We have an invitation to be part of it.
Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose its own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.
@@jabberwocky8021 Excellent point my brother in Christ :)
@@John-Christchurch-NZ Perfect observation my friend AMEN!
election for service? how can you be elect for service before the foundation of the world if God doesn't also save you?
that's like saying the apostles were elect for that service regardless of if they were saved or not, as if an unsaved person could be an apostle in Acts
Judas wasn’t elected to be damned. Jesus was going to use Judas as one of 12 disciples, but Judas rejected him. God still used him, which is interesting.
- Trent
@@BibleLine that's not what the Bible says...
john 5: 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?” 71 Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.
9:22 they( Calvinists) also reduce God to a robot who sets a decree and cannot change it, so their god is a hostage of “ evolutionary” disposing “broken” people unable to accept salvation.
First of all- we know who invented evolution- evil spirits.
Second, I don’t t remember where in the Old Testament, but there is a comparison of “local god” who cannot change the his decree but must follow up on it, and The Almighty who can change any decree at any given moment to turn it for good.
The first one, is the evil one, satan.
Looks like the Salvation of “parts of Adam” depends for Calvinists on the stage of “evolution”/ readiness to enter salvation of those parts of Adam. But salvation is 100% done by Christ and doesn’t borrow strength from Adam. New Creation.
Man is not equally evil , and there are different levels of hell
Some demons are more evil than others and Satan is most evil
Matthew 11:11 is a good example of some of this
I don’t think you will take and consolation that you don’t hurt as much as Hitler, separation from God is the ultimate punishment.
Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Matthew 11:11
@@JesusLife247 yup!
JB > Average sinner
@@EricSmyth4Christ im sorry im not quite sure what you mean
JB > Average sinner?
@@JesusLife247 John the Baptist is greater than the average sinner
Disagree with almost everything Jesse Martinez says, and I love Paul Washer, but… Jesse is absolutely right about everything in this particular video
I appreciate the honesty haha!
Feel free to email us with any questions, or maybe you would want to chat!
questions@biblelineministries.org
- Trent
@@BibleLine I do
I want you to read a 32 paragraph RUclips comment I wrote
@@BibleLine it’s on free Grace theology
Sweet! If it’s emailed, we will see it! Thank you!
- Trent
@@BibleLine haven’t gotten around to it yet mb
Paul Washer doesn't understand election, but we all make mistakes.
I know there are things I don't know, that I think I do. Worse, though, I do what I know I shouldn't.
Oh but he does understand!
@deandalley3607 Yea, maybe the vast majority of Biblical interpreters are incorrect, and holding to the classical God of neo-platonism is key to hermanutics.
This could be an instance where I'm wrong.
This is why the Bible has to be our standard. We cannot use everyday life examples, our own ideas and thoughts to interpret what we think God means. The scripture is clear on election. Washer interprets it through the lens of Lordship Salvation and Calvinism.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Amen.
My friend,..verse 14 , you say: "before the white throne judgment " Paul explains, no. Think of it you response your statement to God. It is like creation ( understand it is impossible) asking /standing up against the Creator. Have you not red that John fell on his face in the presence of a angel, a bit higher created by God. My friend my friend.
Calvinism is a wicked teaching! Complete Heresy!!
Right on!
- Trent
Excellent points refuting Calvinism.
Thanks Kim!
- Trent
Calvinism is Biblical ....
@@deandalley3607 If you are that confident of John Calvin , then you would have no problem looking at Calvin through the lens of scripture putting it to the test. Brian on Faith On Fire youtube channel does a remarkable job comparing both biblical Christianity and John Calvin's writings..Check him out
@@deandalley3607 ruclips.net/video/z7Re5kgc5BI/видео.html
@@deandalley3607 no
They also like to use the consenses theology which is a foolish argument
We can’t receive faith without the working of the Holy Spirit. Faith is His gift to us :
“John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.” - John 3:27 NKJV
“There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” - I Corinthians 12:4-11 NKJV
Faith is not nothing. It is everything for a believer. It is the gift of God. If you say that Faith is not received, then it is solely from us. But it is received by us from God. Check these scriptures below:
God grants faith: “Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:” - 2 Peter 1:1
“For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.” - Romans 12:3
“The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”” - Luke 17:5
He is the founder of our faith. And through His sovereign working, He perfects our faith progressively: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.” - Hebrews 12:1-2
Our belief in Him in itself is because of His grace through His doing. It’s not an isolated example. Check this: “And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.” - Acts 18:27-28 NKJV
I thank you so much for your clear teaching drawing from scriptures the plain and ordinary meaning of words. Calvinism promotes a false gospel that back loads a works righteous gospel called lordship salvation. Calvinist bend and twist the meaning of words and remind me of talking to some one involved in a cult.
Thank you for the kind words. We agree.
- Trent
I really enjoy listening to Pastor Martinez and Pastor Thomas Cucuzza. I gain a lot of biblical knowledge and understanding listening to such excellent teaching. I do think the return of of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for his church is very close. The signs for the 7 year tribulation are clearly evident every day in the secular news.
The new year has the potential to be very eventful for the middle east and Israel. @@BibleLine
Faith is the gift of God as is assigned by Him (not by us). We don’t manufacture or conjure up faith. We don’t create it. We are not the creator of anything. God is. Here is scripture for faith being the gift of God:
“For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.” - Romans 12:3
Faith in Him also comes through Him (not through us): “And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.” Acts 3:16
“So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17 (Faith comes by hearing His words, not by our manufacturing)
“So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” - Matthew 16:14-17 (A man who is in flesh and blood can only believe when it is revealed to Him by the Father through the quickening of his heart by the Holy Spirit).
“Now when they had come and gathered the church together, they reported all that God had done with them, and that He had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles.” - Acts 14:27
“For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,” - Philippians 1:29 (believing and suffering for His sake has been granted to believers, not a choice. If it was a choice to not suffer for His sake, people would be fine believing but not suffering).
Faith is not a " gift from GOD"
Salvation through faith in Christ Alone.
period.
So here’s what I think if it matters to anyone I don’t care about John MacArthur or Paul washer or John Piper or Tim Conway I don’t care about them. They lost. Just pray that they would get saved their completely lost. You should feel sorry for them. you can point them out, but that’s it go on there’s other things you guys should be doing, then constantly pointing out things that we already know we already know they’re going to hell unless they repent
From our perspective, yes we make a choice, but we wouldn't have wanted to even make that choice if regeneration didn't precede faith. From God's perspective, no one makes choices for Christ, He makes us willing to make a choice. Romans 3 says that no one seeks for God, that is a pretty all inclusive statement, among many others, Jesus says that whoever commits sin is the slave of sin, a slave has no rights of his own and cannot go free whenever he wants, Ephesians 2 and Colossians 2 say that we were dead in our trespasses and sins, and salvation is described as a spiritual resurrection, if we are not truly dead in the truest sense of the term, then salvation is not a true resurrection, which would contradict Scripture. Romans 12 says that God gives to each a measure of faith, showing that faith is a gift of God, not a gift that we give to Him.
Isn't it wrong to pick a preacher apart? My goodness. Stop! Preach the truth as the Bible says and God leads you, and let others pray and seek God for their own understanding of the scripture. God will lead all who seek to the truth. He doesn't need us to do this.
We aren’t “picking him apart.” We’re against his false doctrine, especially regarding salvation. We have other videos on him.
- Trent
Washer starts out early on with a personal opinion scenario. "An if - then situation" where everybody goes to hell. He is wrong on that! The Bible clearly teaches in Matthew 7: 13-14 most individuals go to hell. Not everyone.
Right on!
- Trent
I will never support the ministry of Paul Washer. What a messed up doctrine.
everyone is headed to hell because original sin/guilt
everyone's salvation is against their will
Astonishing statement. How do you know your will has been overridden, and you have been picked?
- Trent
@@BibleLine those that have true faith are the elect.... do you really think election is some secret lottery where no one will know until they die and get to heaven and God pulls out the book and checks if you were on the list? 😂😂😂😂
i know its a cliche, but you do not understand reformed theology 🤣🤣
@@BibleLine the fact that anyone believes in Jesus and produces the fruits of the Spirit and has enduring faith is evidence of that
it's not "your will is overridden" its called God replaces your heart of stone with a heart of flesh and puts His Spirit in you to obey His ordinances (Ezekiel 36:25-27)
no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws Him, all that the Father gives to Jesus WILL come to Him and He will raise them up on the last day
i have absolutely no idea how anyone anti Calvinist can seriously say they have assurance... perseverance of the saints(not the same as OSAS) is not only biblical but extremely assurance and you experience that reality throughout your life and is assurance from God that you are saved
seems like the attack and vitriol against Calvinism are the people who want to create panic and fear, trying to get people to act right otherwise they wont be saved
and so people can have something to brag about or take some credit because if election is not unconditional, then by default it is conditional
what is that condition and why do some meet the condition and others don't? the rests entirely in the person making the choice🤨
i cannot say I believed or repented
God gave me the faith, God repented me, God gave me His grace and His Spirit
otherwise I'd be a reprobate on the way to hell, I wouldn't care a single bit about God or salvation otherwise
all my choices only lead to hell, God's choice led me to salvation
Take the occult cross off. Look up what that circle means. Time to leave behind the occult.
God didn't "take away their ability to believe". Adam as our federal head sinned, and we are all subsequently conceived in sin and unbelief. It's the same as if one player on the team breaks the rules, the whole team gets penalized. So, man does indeed have a free will, that is, to do exactly what he wants and desires, and that is to sin and hate God freely. If he would but turn and believe he could be saved, but man willfully refuses and so he is completely culpable and without excuse just as the scriptures say.
Also, Isaiah 1:18-20 is not about salvation, it's about the Nation Israel and their disobedience. If you maintain that passage is about the salvation of individual people, then you must believe we are saved by works of obedience as well. That passage is talking about blessings and curses on a whole nation and is analogous to the Christian life. If we obey we will prosper and the Lord will be with us, and if we rebel, and continue in sin, the Lord will punish us and we will be slaves of sin just as Israel rebelled and became slaves of other nations. It's not a text on soteriology.
Limited Atonement in the sense you are thinking of it is hyper-Calvinism. Calvin (along with the Canons of Dort) believed and taught that Jesus did indeed die for the sins of the world and that the atonement is there and available to them, but they refuse. If they would simply lift a finger and use their free will to choose Him they could be saved, but again, they refuse by their own volition and so are wholly culpable. The fact that God decides to grant grace and repentance to some and not to all isn't injustice. He doesn't owe grace to anyone and certainly not to everyone. To some he makes a monument of his mercy and to others a monument to his justice, but no one gets injustice.
Or, does He send some of those “choice men” to hell, even if they [want] to believe? (Along with some to heaven against their will.)
That whole doctrinal system is a mess.
God .. is .. not .. the .. author .. of .. confusion.
He also doesn’t make people sin.
🙄 People better open their eyes - their eternal destination depends on it! Stop blindly following what these flawed men say, get a good Bible, not corrupted by these flawed men, and study for yourselves.
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.”
Everyone has the ability to believe. It’s simply a decision, once the Gospel has been heard, of whether or not a person will believe [it].
People believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. And these guys are trying to tell us a man can’t believe in the person of Jesus and what he did 2,000 years ago, which is captured in history by those who witnessed Him?
Sorry .. I’ll watch the video now. I get a little wound up with this Calvinism nonsense.
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Yes! Call your series “Election: Plain and Simple”! 🤭
The only way we can be held “without excuse” (Rom 1:20), is if we were allowed to make a choice in the first place.
Regeneration comes first? Not according to Eph 1:13-14. 🤷♂️
The subtilty and craftiness of this damnable heresy disgusts me. It's garbage like this which brings this passage to mind...
Colossians 2:8 - “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
I'm not sure if calvinism falls under what Colossians 2:8 is speaking of; however, it's clear that calvinism is satanic and turns people away from the Lord. Makes me sick.
Satan's top guy, Paul Washer
Proverbs 16:1-7 (ESV): The plans of the heart belong to man,
but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.
2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,
but the Lord weighs the spirit.
3 Commit your work to the Lord,
and your plans will be established.
4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble.
5 Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord;
be assured, he will not go unpunished.
6 By steadfast love and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for,
and by the fear of the Lord one turns away from evil.
7 When a man’s ways please the Lord,
he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
God is sovereign. We are responsible, no one knows how this works out. You are dead in your sins with out Jesus. Election is all over the Bible, even our works we do are elected. Paul worked harder than all the other apostles, but not him but Gods grace in him. He didn’t even do the work. With all that said we are made in the image of God, and thus the highest form of created thing, but that shows how deep sin goes.
To add to this, check out the KJV version of Proverbs 16:1-7 and read slowly and carefully:
”The preparations of the heart in man, And the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD. All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; But the LORD weigheth the spirits.“
Proverbs 16:1-2 KJV
KJV makes it clear that both the plans of the heart and answer of the tongue belongs to God.
Just reading your title makes me think that you need to study your Bible more and what the historic church says on these matters.
Read Romans study it thoroughly . Read John Study thoroughly.
If God is not sovereign over salvation, then and God is not sovereign.
God can be completely sovereign, and man can still have a free will. It is not like these two things are diametrically opposed.
We chose to sin; God did not make us sin.
Satan chose to fall; God did not make him fall.
We chose to believe; God does not make us believe.
This does not conflict with His sovereignty. Once we believe, God still enacts all the saving from His own power. I am not literally giving myself eternal life; He is. He sees the individual trust in Christ, and He saves that person. Cf. Romans 3:20-28 (unto all and upon all them that believe...)
and John 3:15-18 (He that believeth... He that believeth not...)
- Trent
You need to go back and study your Bible to know what brother Paul is saying is biblical.
Could you show us?
- Trent
0:15 Yes Paul, you are dead wrong. God chose all men, not one group.
Yes you’re confused
John 16:8-9 I can’t understand why these Calvinist can’t take all of Scripture. In context they take John 6:44 and say see… See, nobody can come Jesus, unless the Father draws him? Correct 👍 that’s the job of the Holy Spirit ….conviction! To convict/convince lost people of unbelief… at some point in every man’s life they will come under conviction/be drawn…Jesus said if I be lifted up, I will draw/convict/convince ALL MEN to/about Myself👍 back to 16:8-9 when the Holy Spirit is convicting man of his unbelief, because that’s the only unforgiven sin, and that’s the only sin that Holy Spirit convicts nonbelievers of…john 16:9 UNBELIEF. And that’s the only sin man will be going to hell for Matthew 12:31-32.
You are correct it is the Job of the Holy Spirit, however if Everyman comes under conviction that would be universal salvation because Jesus said he would lose none of them that the father gives him, keep reading. Is everyone going to heaven, no then the father did not draw them. You are born again when God puts his spirit in you, he said he would never leave you, how can you be lost?
Just because the Spirit convicts a man of something does not mean that the man will therefore believe or obey the truth. Every person is literally convicted; John 16, "Of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment..." John 12:32 literally states that Jesus "will draw all men unto myself..." by the cross. Every man has the free choice to accept or reject. You are fallaciously overbearing the conviction to the point of forcing a positive reaction from man. Jonah surely was convicted, but he rebelled. Peter, David, Solomon, Abraham, Lot, Demas, even Paul! These men all received conviction, but they had moments of rebellion. Do you not think that the Spirit would convict us of all sin? Are we therefore perfect? NO, because we can resist! Stephen said it best in Acts 7:51 : "Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost..."
- Trent
And stop criticising and have proper discussion on these matters u haven’t fruit of Spirit
We are not criticizing the man, but we are criticizing his false message. The apostles did this frequently regarding the false doctrine in their day. Even Christ did this himself regarding the Pharisees. We pray Paul Washer would understand the truth.
- Trent
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is Good news. There is no gospel in Paul Washers Calvinism. It is all bad news. Therefore it is not Christianity any more than Mormonism Jehovah Witness or Catholicism.
Islam teaches the same doctrine as Calvinism. According to Islam, Allah is absolutely deterministic. As Caner and Caner write:
One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109).
It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states:
It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings:
…some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5).
[God] arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death…(Institutes, 3.23.6).
In the same way, Allah leads astray whom he wills, and saves whom he wills (Surah 14:4):
Allah is exalted and pleased as he sends people to hell: this is the fatalistic claim of Islam. Fatalism is a belief that events are fixed in advance for all time in such a manner that human beings are powerless to change them. In this case, Allah will send to heaven whomever he pleases, and send to hell whomever he pleases (Unveiling Islam, pp. 31-32).
The sovereignty of Allah in Islam and God in Calvinism is absolutely deterministic. They are the author of every action, word, and thought, including sin and evil. Moreover, they predetermined before time everything that shall occur in time including who will be given the gift of faith and eternal life, and who will not and be condemned to eternal death.
Love De-Emphasized
In Islam, Allah is virtually devoid of love. Caner and Caner list 99 names of Allah, and only one includes a reference to love (and this only to those who are “his own”). They write:
When Allah is discussed within the Islamic community, the absence of intimacy, atonement, and omnibenevolence becomes apparent. In all the terms and titles of Allah, one does not encounter terms of intimacy. . . Even the most faithful and devout Muslim refers to Allah only as servant to master; Allah is a distant sovereign (Unveiling Islam, p. 117).
But what do we find in Calvinism? God’s sovereignty-His power and holiness-are emphasized at the expense of His love.
Paul Washer is a False teacher of the doctrine of Demons, a liar and a fool, for he has rejected the God that would save him but has chosen to follow the Devil!
I think you guys are obsessed with lost people you point them out is Boss teachers false converts and that’s it don’t listen to them. Don’t even spend your time on them. Don’t waste your time on these people. Just let everyone know. These people are false teachers.
God knowing what free will agents will do before they do it does not logically follow that he caused them to do it. He knows what they will do because they freely chose to do it. Calvinists are stunted philosophers not bible believers.
JMac, Washer, Piper (every Calvinist I know): "Man is so totally depraved he can't & won't seek God he is unwilling & incapable"
Bible: Nathaniel an Israelite in whom is no guile. Noah, a preacher of Righteousness. Job, blameless upright feared God & shunned evil. Moses, humble. Enoch walked with God. David, a man after God's own heart.
Nicodemus hunts down Jesus for a 1 on 1. Zacheus runs ahead, climbs a tree to see Jesus. Ethiopian Treasurer acquires a copy of Isaiah & reads it. Cornelius prays gives alms his faith belief that God exists is rewarded (per: Jesus' promise to those who ask, seek & knock).
Lydia attends a prayer meeting then listens to Paul (per: Jesus saying "Blessed are those who hunger thirst for righteousness they shall be filled").
Why you were born, when you were born, where you were born...to seek/feel for God, He is not far from anyone of us (Acts 17:26-31).
Always taking things out of context in all ya criticism ohhh God will have judgement on u ohh have the fear of God
We kept our remarks in the entire context of his conversation. He said what he meant, and we commented on it while using the scripture. Did you watch the whole video? We have another part coming soon containing the rest of the video...
- Trent