DAIRY FARMING COUPLE VS VEGAN ACTIVIST [VERY HEATED STREET DEBATE]
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2018
- A debate between a passionate dairy farming couple and a vegan activist gets heated.
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Joey Carbstrong Yes, why don't you stop shooting lions? haha Another great video, Joey! Great work!
Loved this Joey, great work bro👌🙂
Joey Carbstrong some people are harder to get to than others. People will always use bullshit fallacies to justify exploitation. It's disgusting. It makes me angry and it makes me want to take people's kids away from them so that they feel like the cows. Fuck people like that.
Wow those guys were really testing the patience huh? Good job in keeping your cool though. I’m sure they have a lot to think about and will have tons of conversations as a result of this. Much love Joey. ✊️
Scotty Graphics that’s Changes by Tupac.
As Upton Sinclair observed: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
"We're apex predators."
*about a minute later*
"We're not animals."
Sigh...
These are two very unintelligent people
Mary we made whole species go extinct.
@@Max-wz6cu Any animal can do that doesn't mean their apex.
@@michaelsutherland5099 Yeah but we cause pollution and we have killed a whole bunch of animals.
@@michaelsutherland5099 And I'm not talking about wild animals, I mean us.
I used to work on a factory dairy farm down the street from me. I spent about 5 years there. It felt like 100. The last couple years there. I wanted to die every morning. and every night. One of the saddest things I think I've ever seen was a six-year-old mother losing the will to live. Falling down on the shit and piss covered concrete unwilling to go on..the look of defeat and hopelessness in her big beautiful sad eyes. Going vegan saved my life. I wont be able to die in peace till factory dairy farms are shut down for good.
Guess you'll never die in peace then. Good on you. There will be plenty of people with common sense in the world to not go vegan
Good you saw the reality and turned vegan.
But this shit is still happening.
💔💔💔💔
You have a moral heart and I completely understand you. I am 55 years old and I will not be here when I see the death of dairy and meat products in all supermarkets, shops and restaurants. However, like slavery that took 400 years to be demolished, this immoral and unethical tissue of killing innocent animals with one day be recognised as something in the past as being horrifically and ethically wrong.
Do you lot know how much fossil feuls are used to produce your discusting plant based food? Surely this is pumping a lot of carbon dioxide into the atmousphere causing the greenhouse effect and causing the world to warm up! Don't you people think about these things?
I don’t how you remained so patient, these 2 literally tried to use almost every excuse there is haha. At least you planted the seed, keep it up!
????almost every excuse?
that couple were very well suited....they completely deserve each other.
indeed....hahha
"we're in the food chain"
"but we aren't animals"
logic
Loool
Zay Xen ikr!?
Zay Xen wow
What are we then
You don’t have to be an animal to be in the food chain tho... all living species is in the food chain
It's astounding how disconnected people are. Even dairy farmers say "we aren't killing them, we send them to the slaughterhouse." They don't see that they're perpetuating the suffering. I'm always amazed to see how calm you are when debating with these people.
Stfu
Same way the Nazis run their camps. Different people for different parts so no one took responsibility because they "only drove the van" etc.
Joey is really aggressive when we don't follow his style of eating and will call you a murder
@@lightningboltt5437 It's aggressive to rape and murder billions.
@@Nobody-dm2ol humans have eaten meat for millions of years
"They go on a slaughter truck every Monday"
"You don't think that's immoral?"
"Well what are we supposed to do with them?"
Spoken like death is the only option. Truly horrific.
If it weren't for humans they would be extinct now
But it is the only option when you are a dairy farmer.
@@anonymoustecai3200 How?
@@roychui6694 why is that? They would have more chance of living than certain death at the abattoir. What a ridiculous comment you made.
@@roychui6694 in that case, why keep breeding them?
"I believe you are good people"
"Of course we are"
so modest
Satsuma "of course we're good people. Very good. And we love those cows like our own children. They get fed every morning, and afterwards we fist them to get them pregnant and then send their children off to the slaughterhouse. We are very good people indeed." -.-
@@steakandchips9046 triggered.
Satsuma I’ve yet to see a vegan raise animals on a farm as pets and treat them as members of their family. So much talking but yet no one takes care of theses animals from being slaughtered 😂
STEAK AND CHIPS Exactly!!!
@@shawn170204 well that's funny because I donate to a lot of barn and farm sanctuaries in which this precisely what vegans do. I personally know several people who rescue animals from farms and treat them as their own pets. Not only do I donate to several of these organizations I follow some of them on Instagram and Facebook. They post videos and photos of cows and goats hanging out on the couch snuggling up taking naps. You just refuse to see them in order to continue contributing to the wholesale torture and murder of billions of animals every year for your five minutes of sensory pleasure.
I lost it at the end when you said "get vegan makeup, cruelty free makeup". Persistent til the end, love it 🤘🏼
yea funny aye
imxron haha yeh that was great.
Makeup was what led me to investigate veganism...
Elf brand make up is cruelty free and it's cheaper than most Yay!
Amanda Warren Right on! Good to know 👍🏼
"We treat our calves like our own children"
Me: *shakingly takes out phone to call child protective services*
Why'd they like fucking cows?
You can’t use a phone - you’ll destroy the environment more than the dairy industry does.
Exactly 😂
@@bayleyboy27 absolutely not the case. Nutter...
@@elevenpoisons2484 ...that was a joke, based on what the person said in the video.
This has got to be the most painful one I've watched yet.
@You can't stop a movement are you watching the same video as the rest of us?
Why
He sounds like a idiot lol
Painful because those farmers were actually making sense but I also want to support plant based diet to reduce carbon footprint.
No, those dairy farmers are evil and entitled as fuck. They don't deserve to be a part of society
"UGH im gonna go buy make up"
"get cruelty free make up! vegan make up!!"
love ya joey
She probably didnt, stupid bint lol
burned flowers He Made her think about it tho😂
Stupid,ignorant with his village Boy...stupid as fuck...both...would punch both
@@szkladanyipaul-alexandru239 Violence towards someone with a different point of view is ignorant. Hypocritical too. wont harm animals but will harm humans.
@@craig9299 they are fucking anoying...byeee
'We're not animals' - never understood this statement, did people skip biology class?
Dhara They were too busy murdering crickets and frogs in biology class to pay attention.
We aren’t animals based upon morality and the fact we can make choices. There’s no “killer instinct we have naturally”
@@OmariFaith just because we have no killer instinct doesn't mean we're not animals. we are biologically. it's a fact. many animals, like us, have no killer instinct because they're not carnivores.
Johny Jackson do you understand how idiotic you sound?? We are not biologically? You do realize humans are categorized as mammals correct? We considered animals. We have one thing different and that is a highly advanced Brain, reason why we are at the top of the food chain. Now if you mean the term “beast” then you can say that’s the killer instinct we (lack). We aren’t beast like how ancestors the cavemen because they too like animals are considered to be (wild). And notice how before I said (lack) because it’s not totally absent because there are murders, psychopaths, serial killers that we have to take accountable for because they are human as well even if they did have a mental or an emotion issue.
@@OmariFaith it's you who sounds stupid to someone educated and intelligent like myself. Do you think it's a bad thing to be an animal? Does it somehow mean that you are less intelligent if you are in the category "animal" ???
"ThAt'S ChInA!"
Buddy, it doesn't seem like the standards in the West are much higher.
Oh yes they are we have strict welfare
@@stephenfearon5107 I would imagine anyone who unironically believes that knows what welfare means.
They are we lead the way in animal welfare
Plus you will never turn everybody vegan I'll tell you why alot of land are desert different climates look last year floods out wont work
@@beandinner1262 I just never see you vegans point of view humans rape look at rotherham they didnt have a choice for me theres nothing wrong with farming it's just you bloody snowflakes before you criticise make sure you know what your talking about I've always wondered how carbstrong pays for his trips to and from australia cos it's not cheap it's probably from drug money
@@stephenfearon5107 I think you might need counseling.
Just found you less than 2 weeks ago since becoming a vegan and binge watching every video. Love what you’re doing bro. Your arguments are unbeatable.
“I obviously think dairy is wrong but I drink it anyways”
And?
She said she knows she's doing the right thing too. The dissonance.
Dairy cows enjoy being milked, everyday they came running up to the farmhands excited to be milked. Drinking milk is not the issue, the sufferer gets that comes from the bad side of the industry is the problem. Good work Diego ma man
Shockwave Panda - When I was breastfeeding my babies, I needed to pump when they didn’t nurse. The breast becomes engorged and it becomes very, very painful if the milk is not released. I didn’t “enjoy” it, it was necessary. The cows don’t enjoy it either.
Diego Velazquez fair enough your entitled to your own opinion and so am I. I will continue to enjoy drinking milk and eating meat, there are far bigger issues that this planet needs us to deal with than how animals feel. Because, come on, when was the last time you saw a lion fight for a deers right to live freely. Anyway, God bless.
The arguments in favour of dairy get more ridiculous by the hour.
Cow titty juice. Yummy
My favourite is "cows love to be fisted" 🤦🤦🤦
Evidence: ruclips.net/video/ulsQpeEUxx0/видео.htmlm56s
@@Dave-if5qj?
My friend's mum who was married to a dairy farmer for 30+ years is now vegan. I have to say i was surprised when i heard this. Change can and does happen where we least expect it.
You're an amazing person Joey! Thank you so much for doing all this
He's pissing against the wind though as meat consumption and dairy is at an all time high, and he never tells these people that there's thousands of people giving up a vegan diet, e.g miley ray Cyprus, bear gryls, Rita ortega, Mike tyson ,the list goes on this clown has a one track mind and trying to scare people from eating what they want spreading his propaganda and he's an ex druggy, gang member, and caught with a firearm in his possession, oh yes he really is someone to look up to, he needs locking up and he doesn't tell you is he's actually bi polar. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
‘Get cruelty free make up’ 😂 loved sliding that comment in at the end! Something to think about as she goes off.
Well done again Joey! I don’t know how you stay so calm.
When people are protecting dogs or pets, we praise them. But once people are protecting animals that we, as a society, pay for the slaughter of, we find so many arguments that would never apply in any other situation.
Great point, that's so true.
The way it is and always will is you have animals for pets and you have animals for food so be it
Dogs and cats were domesticated for the intended purpose to help humans. They’re also carnivores. To us they have lower nutritional value than herbivores. Unfortunately we found little nutritional value in dogs and cats and decided to breed them for intended jobs, such as hunting birds, rodents or looking for recently killed or injured animals for hunting. When it comes to cows, pigs and chickens, they have higher nutritional value because of what they eat, chickens are omnivores as well, but will more so eat grain. Maybe fight for nutritional and ethical farming with omnivores or be forever divided and just accept diversity
Extremely conditioned minds. Those are the hardest ones. Moreover, their paycheck depends on it. Amazing job Joey.
"I know I do the right thing". Please keep on dreaming girl....I have so much respect for you Joey, how do you keep so calm 😮
@babe brown ok dumbass
Look up his criminal past
Smokii Queen ur stupid
I like it how you guys don’t understand we don’t live in a perfect world and if you don’t like the law, go change it but don’t physically and emotionally attack people like that,yes animals don’t have a choice but are you just gonna take the freedom of people’s taste and force them to only eat fucking grass
Banana Man bruh you know vegan alternatives of meat and dairy exist right? Even meat eaters think so. How is showing people how their food is made emotionally attacking them? If someone feels guilty that’s one them. You can’t force someone to feel happy and you can’t force them to feel guilty. If you feel guilty watching how your food is produced maybe you shouldn’t eat it
Do they share the same brain cell?
Another fuckwit moron
Canines tho....Someone please end my suffering! Not this stupid argument again! It's almost as bad as plants feel pain. The indoctrination is killing me...
She's right tho, look at this ruclips.net/video/iChB5Zx-wSc/видео.html
Dem razor sharp teeth.
Injustice 2 Robin plants are inteligent and have a aura they know when your going to water thrm and when you intend to cut them from their source.. read vibrational medicen to see the study ! Your trying to put the god particle into two different tjing that impossible. You vrgans are like cancer cells in the body of god.
Zen Jamin They are not sentient. What auroa? What are you even talking about? Do you have any studies to prove your claims? You can't even spell vegan correctly, I'm clearly dealing with a child. Do not use god as an argument, it is a waste of time.
God? Read Genesis, God made people vegan.
Plants react to stimuli the same way a crumpled up straw wrapper reacts to a drop of water. That's not the same thing as sentience.
does sis not know about how the demand for plant-based milks are eventually going to outweigh the demand for dairy milk or something? gurl said " it'LL neVer hAppen " but it's literally happening now 😘
It’s actually not😂
It's LiTeRaLlY HaPpEnInG gUiZ
LIKE OMG
Yes! The milk industry is currently trying to implement new rules into the milk game, trying to force nut milks to be labeled something other than "milk" because they are losing profits 😂
HappyFace and that milk is meant for a baby cow, not you
I had someone like this at my last cube. Veal farmer. It was very difficult to stay rational and calm speaking to someone so detached. But I reminded myself that at one time I contributed to these industries ignorantly and that the person I was speaking to was very far indoctrinated. It was my job to plant the seeds with this person and from watching you and That Vegan Couple I learned the proper way to discuss these difficult topics
They're triggered, ignorant and arrogant. Amazing combo.
How?they are defending there job
40 seconds into watching this video, my sister (animal loving meat eater) stormed out of the room angry at me for watching something on animal rights when I already am vegan. I wonder why she's ACTUALLY upset 😒
Cant face her hypocrisy. It hurts too much
You vegans are wasting your time if we were to go vegan knowing humans we would change over night but we haven't have we it's TRUE plus why aren't you sorting out abused animals around the world like elephants donkeys monkeys bears their our forgotten animals but there are a few helping but not many you all say your on the animals side but its all bollocks
@@stephenfearon5107 The most of the animal cruelty happens in the animal agriculture industry. Why would I work to stop the abuse of animals across the world when there are even meat eaters that protect them. No one protects the ones we abuse. We can make a difference in our own countries and then work on the rest of the world.
And no, change doesnt happen over night. It's a gradual thing and it takes time but veganism is taking off now and more and more people are adopting the lifestyle. I guess people are accepting the truth and allowing themselves to change. Pleasure does not dictate morals and people are starting to see that
@@jamief110 look theres no cruelty it's all natural theres animals being abused abroad nothing been done leave farming alone your wasting time theres more important things at the moment if we were suppose to all go vegan it would've been done overnight you see
Where does carbstrong get all the money from to travel from australia probably drug money I've asked this question loads still no answer also what's with those masks
@@stephenfearon5107 How the fuck would I know where carbstrong gets his money? I dont know the guy but I'm willing to bet a kidney that it isnt drug money. And even if it was that's a better job than working at a slaughterhouse. At least consenting adults chose to do drugs. Animals dont chose to get slaughtered.
If an animal gets abused around me I will stand up for that animal. But the most of all animal cruelty happens in the food industry. I will not stand up against one sort of cruelty and ignore the other. That would make me a hypocrite. But you dont see it that way.
Nothing happens over night. Slavery wasn't abolished over night, the holocaust didn't stop over night, womens rights didn't come over night. Change takes time and brainwashed people will need time to wake up. I am willing to wait but change is happening. People go vegan all the time and vegan foods sell out faster than anything else in the stores. I see that every day.
Now, let me ask you a question. Do you care that people in China kill and torture dogs for food? Then why tf dont you care about the animals you eat? Cows are holy in some places, so what makes killing, raping and torturing them less evil than killing and torturing dogs?
I lived Scotland for a while near a small farm, they took their babies away and the mothers moaned, cried and were quite aggressive for about 3 weeks! Of course every mother would feel this way.
Why not wait for the cows to grow and let them become independent before killing the mother.
Eh choo ...or we could just stop raping cows into existence to exploit and murder them
Eh choo Because the baby might accidentally hurt the Mom
"We're Apex predators"
The same person 2 minutes later: "we're not animals"
Lol ok
2 years ago I said you'd better die if you were vegan, that it doesn't help for sustainability. Then someone told me about Peta, I watched all their videos, watched Cowspiracy, What The Health (partly) and got a vegetarian sausage bread. Now I'm vegan, because food chain tho... ✌️🤣 EVERYONE HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE!
Bart Q, Good for you, Bart. It takes courage to go vegan, because it takes courage to face uncomfortable truths, to face the suffering that our personal choices caused. If that's not enough, vegans then become protectors and defenders of the weak, which only strong people are capable of. Kudos to you Bart Q. Real Men are vegan.
Right on
Bart Q Preach it brother. Vegans are the strongest folks! They challenge society norms, which is never easy!
@@michelledinovo6446 Do you buy medical drugs? Shouldn't vegans also abstain from buying medical drugs? Last time I heard about how medical drugs are tested, it's usually done in cruel ways to animals.
@@bradleysmith681 "vegans are the strongest folks" uh... yeah no, taken in the most literal way, they aren't. Malnourished craps
12:10 "we're the top of the food chain"... 13:40 "we're not animals" the hypocrisy is real. Changing their argument to suit their own ideals. You can't reason with people like this.
perhaps its possible to be at the top of a food chain without being an animal
@Lee Ara, very true, I completely agree with you. We have changed the natural order of things to where the world has shifted balance because of our advanced brains allowing us to be able to make changes to the world that no other animal has been capable of doing. Our brains are far more advanced from the other animals, but we are still an animal too. But contrary to some people's opinions, having more developed brains doesn't separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom, we have the same ability to think and make decisions. The outcome from our decisions have just been so much greater due to our higher intelligence allowing us to be able to do so much more. Levels of brain development is irrelevant. Other animals, even other mammals don't share the same brain developments either, a dog can be trained to be a rescue dog, hunting dog, seeing eye dog, but certainly not every mammal can do such. We are not separated from the other animals because we have higher intelligence and brain development. I'm sure you see that. Not everyone does.
yeah they literally spew out shit about the dark ages and culture because they are desperately trying to justify their own sins so they dont loose the debate to someone with a flawless argument
@Lee Ara you're completely stupid if you believe that humans and the food chain do not go hand and hand! Did you know that if certain organisms like bees were to die off that we would shortly follow and that if we kill off a certain species it could cause a ripple effect which could affect the food chain in a negative way! Free Will has absolutely zero to do with our ability to survive as a species...... You seem very naive.
@@saiyamang5397 What are you trying to say? So you have two options in front of you. Picture this. Two burgers. One kills an animal, the other doesn't. Which do you choose and why?
Well debated Joey! Anyone who try’s to defend this brutal industry has to concede there is no justification in the torture, imprisonment and slaughter of these sentient beings.
"You can never in a million years stop dairy." Yeah right. Look at the last 5 years
Vegan: "I think we should reduce cruelty to animals"
Carnist: "Cars tho"
🤦🤦🤦
But he's using it as an excuse to not go vegan which is a fallacy:
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_herring
Sbeast "iPhones tho" 😂😂
@Jesse Hoffman
Fuck, you sound just like Pierce Morgan, dude.
Being a hypocrite is saying you love animals and then go and have a hamburger and milkshake made from the body parts and secretions of a tortured animal. if we ever reach a vegan world we can start worrying about what materials go into our mobile phones too or if there's a way to reduce the amount of insects being killed because of bread tho.
@@titovalasques if you are going to push for the cruelty of animals to stop. Then you must push for it at once, not pieces at a time. Did you think African, Indian, or Irish enslavement was abolished pieces at a time. No, they were faced full forced at once. Not dipping your toe into the pool to see what the temperature is like. Man meat eaters seem to be the only ones with brains.
@@michaelkessler4509
Dude, intent matters!! I agree we need to stop INTENTIONALLY torture and kill animals. Anything else at the moment may not be practicable as it isn't practicable to say that we need to cut all traffic accidents down to zero right now, limpdick!
"I gotta go buy makeup". No what she needs to do is go buy a brain capable of thinking rationally.
More importantly, no amount of make-up is going to cover what an ugly person she really is in her heart while holding these fucked up opinions.
👏👏👏
You have to realise that you're an omnivore.😀
@@titovalasques another fucked in the head vegan
@@MM54334
We're not technically evolved to be omnivores however we can choose to eat as one. Personally I choose not to and I'm perfectly healthy (in fact I've gotten healthier since avoiding animal products) as a vegan.
lmfao so now there's a "Phone Tho" argument?
Great bit of footage, i've recently changed after eating the flesh of animals for 44 years. Keep up the good work, you ARE making a big difference!
My dad has worked his whole life on a pig farm and last night I showed him the Dominion Trailer. Once it finished I asked him what he thinks about it and he said it makes him feel angry, to know that he treats his pigs so lovely and makes sure that they are all healthy and then they end up at slaughter houses and get treated so wrong. The conversation lasted a long time and in the end he agreed that even without a slaughter house and going back to a shot in the head, uneccassary death on animals what wrong. I finally asked him if he thinks he will ever be vegan and he says he's not sure, he feels like it's a big change and he's too old. I refreshed and asked if vegan food is made to taste the same or better than meat/dairy and it was convenient to buy, would he choose that over death? He said, you know what son, you have a good point there and I probably would.
Thanks to people like Joey who inspire me to talk about veganism, even with my family who are all farmers.
Do you know that pigs get electrocuted instead of shot
im so glad for you!
Veganism the the extinction of our species.
Jelios Panna ; well im not dead yet
Don’t have to make up a story to get your point across mate
Dog's choice tho
😂
lol
albert fish you troll so hard. Must not have a full filling life...
When I put kibbles in a bowl, my dogs just walk away. When I add rice, sweet potatoes, lentils, peanut butter, chickpeas, etc. to the bowl, they absolutely devour the food. It hardly feels like cruelty to me when I see them get so excited.
Our dog is weird and a picky eater. We originally tried regular (meat) dog food but he would walk away. When I was cooking vegetables, I dropped a snow pea and he gobbled it up. Since then I give him my cooked vegetables with a vegan dry food and he loves it and is no longer picky!
Bless You for sticking to it! I was watching/listening this while cooking. Turned vegan over 2 years ago out of health and environmental reasons, and apart from all the benefits concerning my own health, the health of animals and the positive effect it has on my own consumption and therefor the environment, unfortunately these kind of tiring conversations have entered my daily life as well. The struggle is real and these people are blind sided and kept ignorant both by the industry but also by themselves. Only yesterday I had an online conversation with someone who wrote me excuses like: “I know vegans who drive a car.” Or “I know vegans who travel by plane.” When will people stop excusing one evil with another evil? I find it very impressive how the vegan in this video keeps coming back with solid arguments for his case, where the two ill-informed youngsters keep relying on ignorant statements only to clear their own conscience and not to take responsibility. It’s a lesson in how to prepare yourself for these kinds of conversations. A frightening one, but a very good one as well!
It truly is
"I support dairy. I eat meat. I eat eggs.
I'm not here to criticize myself though, I know doing those things is right"
I can't stand narcissistic psychopathic chicks like that. They seem to believe that ANYTHING they do is the good thing, no matter how terrible it is.
That's the mentality of a sociopath who is a potential murderer. Very scary stuff.
“We treat the calves like our own children!”
*sends them to be slaughtered....
They're so annoying, especially the woman who thinks she has a point but actually sounds really stupid 😂
Im done... vegans are so fucking dumb!! Of course you can’t treat an animal the same way as a child, that’s impossible. They don’t act the same way and never will. Btw, children don’t taste as good.
Move away
ArvidHögberg bro it's extremely easy to treat an animal like a child wtf are you on dude
@@arvidhogberg5620 I treat my dogs like family. It's very simple. I love my pups.
I stopped this video halfway because I cannot even handle the level of ill-informed, brainwashed, hypocritical arguments this couple is trying to make. They’re getting so defensive, twisting words, comparing things that have nothing to do with what Joey is trying to portray. 😠
Joey, your composure is so commendable and honorable because I probably would’ve lost my cool and had to walk away.
They’re right though
You're the brainwashed one fuckwit 😂
@wicked go admit yourself to a ward.
Go on out to a rural community then, you can’t comment if you haven’t experienced both sides.
Pls be joking.
"youll never stop dairy" buddy.... dairy is stopping itself XD. the crazy amount of health defects people get from extended exposure to dairy are enough for people to stop consuming it. hell when i learned that my auto immune problems that i carried with me since birth can be stopped by avoiding dairy i was shocked, but i was even more shocked to actually have those problems vanish after a merely 3 months off of dairy. after living half my life on a farm i gotta admit im kind of embarrassed at how long it took me to realize/ get exposed to the facts and turn away from this dying industry.
What health defects it's you vegans with a health defect
It's not dying its growing in popularity theres videos here that will change your minds
@@stephenfearon5107 that comment alone proves you don't know anything regarding health, nutrition, biology, biochemistry and or neurochemistry. Data shows vegans have the lowest mortality rate and lowest amounts of deficiencies. Please go get an education and stop believing bullshit lies spread by dying industries in a futile attempt to preserve their income, thanks!
@@stephenfearon5107 also yes trust me Its dying ;). That's why there is an abundance of ads everywhere when there used to be none like 2 months ago. The amount of healthy alternatives which are actually sustainable and available in almost every company is superb!
Name the health defects please
the fact that the meat industry has made people believe that because we have “canine teeth” we are built to eat animals 🤣
"This is disturbing for kids to see" The problem isn't the video, the problem is whats in the video, what if we showed children people foraging for berries, or in a field harvesting vegetables, would we hide that from their eyes? of course not, but we don't want to see brutality because everybody intuitively knows its wrong, but continues to act against their morals and support it regardless. Part of the reason we have this injustice is because we willingly and intentionally hide the truth from not only our kids, but ourselves. More people would respond to the truth if we saw the truth. People in society are responding to the dark, because alongside corporate lies, that's what we're taught to promote and be kept in. keep spreading the light, Joey. GOOD WORK!
In many cultures a boy who cannot kill an animal is considered weak.
I'm sure, but those cultures subjective opinions don't change the objective reality, an idea about someone is a mere opinion, the animals, all over the world just like us want to live their life free of harm, and they suffer tremendously because of our subjective perspectives in varying cultures.
Everyone suffers when they are killed, this very reality drives an animal to be in the top of the food chain, a cow will not spare a wounded chick and evolution would not be a thing.
She was just grabbing for something to stop people from seeing the lies she was hiding.
of course everyone suffers when theyre killed, but as humans, we have moral agency, we can understand and empathize. There are no willing participants in the "food chain". So as a species who recognizes these animals suffer, why would we want to choose the suffering of an animals when its completely unnecessary?
I live opposite a farm and EVERY morning I wake up to hear baby calves in cages crying. EVERY single morning. This guy is an absolute LIAR. And it is not just before being fed it is after, it is all day. ALL day I hear it.
w3sb so sorry for you and babies calves as well. Just wonder how you can live there. I wouldn't be able to cope with that
Yes it is heartbreaking to hear them. I went down to see them once and they really do suck on your fingers. They are isolated, deprived of their mothers milk and interaction. Plus they can’t even move in these tiny cages :’( . Extremely cruel.
w3sb You should consider making a short unbiased video - let people hear what you hear, walk over there and show the baby calves cry, suck on your finger, show their condition etc. Maybe call it 'my calves don't suffer'... because you can hear it from your house I think it would make it that more impactful.
Good idea but the farmer recently moved the cages as tourist were stopping to see them and I think the farmer didn’t want people to see. As they have a restaurant attached to the farm, so they had a lot of people able to see what they were doing to the calves. I don’t know where he puts them now. I do have some footage from last year but it is like 12 seconds long. I will put it up anyway, better than nothing.
Interesting. Yeah better than nothing. I think if more people like you (who are around farms) show people what 'routine practice' looks like - especially as it impacts the infant animals, the 'my animals are happy' statement will become a more common place self-evident fallacy. All the best.
That was extremely frustrating to watch, but Joey did a great job.
5:15 people putting their blinders back on after watching for a few seconds
I observed that too! ✔️
Some people just pretend they do not see the truth.
lucia the only thing i saw is how unhealthy the environment for the animals were which was quite repulsive to be honest. That's my fuckén food!
It's denial, which is extremely common in this world: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
marcus hickiman not your body, not your food
I have no idea how you kept your cool I really admire your work keep it up
It's his mission, harvest comments from unsuspecting and unprepared passers. Getting them worked up to have material to recruit.
Molson Muscle I know! It's truly amazing they deserve so much more credit
Because if you start getting angry with people over their free choices, and try to dictate to them what they should and shouldnt eat, it just cements the individual stance stronger as your pushing them further away.
For example
Im not a vegan or vegetarian, i will never become one as i enjoy the things i eat and think its acceptable, i fully respect and accept your stance and choices, but if someone started shouting at me telling me im disgusting etc, it would provoke me to eat more animal products, and then rub it in your face just to show you its not nice to have it done in the first place
@@nialls2142 EXACTLY. Nice to find someone with common sense in these comments
@Trapped In The Meatrix open minds to the what truth? I see no truth. The truth that humans are naturally Omnivores? I sure hope so
i've cried after outreach conversations like this. but i always pull myself together and say the next conversation is gonna be a good one!
When they going to send carbstrong to the slaughterhouse
@@stephenfearon5107 Advocating for murder is not really a good way to get people to side with you Mr. Fearon.
@@freshairkaboom8171 pushing other people to go vegan when the humans natural diet is omnivorous isnt a good look for Mr carbstrong
@@Dantheman-nf9xk Pushing knives into the throat of innocent animals when you can just eat a fucking vegan sandwich instead is not a good look for Mr animal abuser (you)
@@freshairkaboom8171 1. Vegan food is disgusting and does not supply you with at least 15 vitamins
2. The animals get a quick and painless death. If they didn't, you could taste it in the meat. It's very easy to tell if a cow was stressed when it died, that's why they must make sure it's painless or it won't taste good. So no matter the method, the animals still die painless. And that's a fact, look it up if you don't believe me :)
My dad was a war veteran and came from a farm and ate meat. A couple of years before he passed away he commended me for my good health and plant based diet. Although he was a meat eater he told me it was right what I was doing and if he had his life over again he would have done the same. He was old and wise and could see that plant eating was beyond doubt a far better lifestyle. God bless him.
I don't know how you keep your cool but I bless you for doing so
i am a vegan. thanks for education. keep it up
I know I get into arguments can last about an hour but then I just want to chuck water over them
Vegan Trucker Lady
Well I hope when you fill up your truck you use coins. There’s animal byproducts in banknotes.
You people are insane.
@@georginaeve3400 and that's why we think you people are crazy and there will always be more meat eaters vs vegans you get over mad because someone has a different ideology as you which is pathetic
These two are prime examples of why humans are not the most intelligent species on the planet. My head hurts.
I agree that humans are stupid but those two are not the ignoramus in this situation.
You are?
Wow! That couple tried so hard to push you off-track but your incredible wisdom and knowledge won the debate ethically!!! Thank you, Joey!!
"Get cruelty free makeup!" lol I'm dead
Your only saying that to support him😅🤣
"I'm not here to criticise myself, I know I do the right thing"
-consumes dairy
This is a meme right here...
How many calves do you think are murdered in the wild? Reducing the suffering of animals to 0 is an idealistic fantasy.
Yep. Staying with the humans natural diet is the right thing
@@Dantheman-nf9xk Is drinking the breast milk of another species part of human's natural diet?
@@Magar6 of course. Animals are always using tools from other animals to get ahead. Every plant food you eat was in someway or another affected by another animals. Why would we not use something that helps us immensely
The last thing my dog would do in the wild is hunting a cow. He'd die first lol
We have a rescue cow and my dog plays with her
You are extremely strong omg. I would’ve gotten so angry with them. The ignorance was unreal!! So frustrating to even watch. People need to wake up and stop sticking their heads in the sand.
bitch why u mad
@@gustavomacias8337 You can debate if her with you want, I'm going to sleep
Madeline G so your saying vegans can go up to your face and say their opinion but a meat eater can’t?
@@kandhii2.096 I respect a civil conversation with people who know to talk with an open mind instead of saying the stupid stuff all the idiots say. I mean, how come I used to be a meat eater yet I never hid behind the majority so they could control my beliefs.
Why
Him: You don't abuse dogs do you?
Her: Of course not.
Him: Why not?
Her: Because that's not my dog.
...what if it was her dog? Lol
She would take care of it
She would fist it
Haven't plants got emotions so vegans are murderers
I can never see their argument
Dogs dont have much meat on them cattle are bred specially for meat look at the bulls their breeding now great creatures
If the government stopped subsidizing eggs, meat and dairy I wonder how much longer it would be around...........
It would stop almost overnight! That is my prayer, my wish, my hope. Given the crisis state of the planet, it may happen, I hope.
Do you have any idea how much corn and soy is subsidized? What are you smoking?
@@LargerThanCats Yes, and most of that is fed to livestock.
@@alexandrarodriguez6279 So you agree that agriculture has heavy subsidies in the United States and basically every industrialized nation across the planet? Congrats for trying to sidestep the point of the discussion though...not.
@@LargerThanCats sidestep? whatever. All I know is if the US government stopped subsidizing meat, dairy, eggs, + grain used to feed livestock, the true "cost" of those products would be revealed and actual food that is good for you and does less harm to the planet and animals would be more affordable. We need subsidies on industries that are going to help us not continue to hurt us.
I had to stop the video at the canines teeth """argument""". And the fact that she says it in such a confident way... Omfg It's just too painful.
I feel you. My brain weeps.
People are brainwashed:/
We do have canines bro. Its taught in elementary school.
Masilya111
If plants were healthy for the human body, they would not rot human teeth. Meat cannot rot human teeth, only plants/sugars/carbs can. Plants are evil: sugar, carbs, caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, pot, cocaine, opium etc... Plants = Agriculture slavery of mind and body.
You're joking right? :D
"You will never stop dairy."
Well the Dairy Industry loses almost 2 billion dollars each year sooooo
"I'm a good person" "I know I do the right thing" jeez how insecure she is...
yes, she was beginning to have doubts at that point for sure....
Sadly, the dairy farming couple doesn't have a clue how pathetic and desperate they sound.
An obsolete and unethical industry built on lies and exploitation...and it's beginning to fall all over the world.
I don't have any hate to them. They are more indoctrinated than anyone else. Because they are so close they can't see past their day to day lives.
She's already vegan, she just doesn't know it.
Yes, I agree, they do sound uninformed, callous and pathetic...It’s interesting that they STAYED to argue and actually LISTEN to what Joey was teaching them. I wonder if they will start to have doubts about what they’re doing after they’re back home?
or you’re just a vegan that doesn’t belong on earth🗿
Yeah your right that couple loves their money more than their animals otherwise they wouldn’t do this kind of freakin’ dairy horror show !!!
I really hope they’ll get a wake up call one day !!!
All it takes is planting that seed of doubt and trusting that the kindness and compassion in human beings will eventually lead them to making better decisions - the seed that was planted in my head by an activist over 12 years ago - now I’ve been vegan for almost 3 years 💛🌱
The ocean is made up of MANY ONE drops which goes to show that If we were to all think we can make a difference then we can and we will!
Kyle B I just did a full blood work and thank god.. I am healthier than ever so that is NOT true at all
In fact I was iron deficient for most of my life - I’m no longer iron deficient or have any other deficiencies :)
Kyle B false. Vegans have a lower chance of being deficient in any vitamin or mineral. With B12, the only reason meat eaters intake any at all is because the animals’ food is supplemented and they are getting it secondhand. With a B12 supplement or fortified plant foods, it is very easy to ensure there’s no issue. Again, I’ll stress that vegans are not more likely to be deficient.
At no point did I say that "we can eat what they eat" so your entire reply to me is bullshit.
albert fish I don’t agree with doing that but u also have to understand that when our eating habits are affecting the entire planet and all living beings on it - it becomes very hard to not judge someone that is seeing the truth right before their eyes but wants to put on his/her blinders and pretend it doesn’t exist
REAL TALK W. EMA STAR well said
When I think about the suffering of farm animals it's so instense and brings me to tears 😢😥
Steph Armstrong we don’t live in a perfect world,but hey meat is still very delicious
@@Milton_m you can get plenty of plant-based food that tastes as good or better than meat. Less chewy, less gristle.
I think the same way when I eat plants as well but I do appreciate them and not waste them.
@@tacoslover4765 I get what you mean but plants don't actually feel pain like animals do
@@sweetnuthin thats not proven actually there is more evidence that plants do feel pain
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It’s very interesting and almost painful to watch the whole video. It’s like the further it goes the more they say dumb things to try to justify their actions. I think you did a great job Joey and your killing it with these videos! I would have also mentioned the slavery was legal and it was going on for a very long time and people thought that would never end but it did. Things may seem impossible but they aren’t. We may not live to see a vegan world but I believe it will happen one day.
If you plan to die within the next 15 years then you might not see a vegan world. It's going to happen a whole lot quicker than people think - times of slavery didn't have social media/Internet.
SharonDiane I guess we will see it in our lifetime as all things are getting happen faster these days
joey says some dumb shit also
Harvey PlantHarvester i know it’s growing fast and I hope to see a vegan world but even if I don’t for what ever I reason at least I know there will be a vegan world for the future generations to come!
Agent Smith I hope so!!
"I always do the right thing" ....."do you eat dairy?"...."yes" lol right
Well, stopping people from having free will is also not the right thing
Veganti christ you dont get it how this world works it pritty fu... cked up right but you see what happens to people in this world aswell
Hahahah ur brainwahsed
Nobody is stopping them they just being asked, thats asked, to make informed moral choices.
Joey I'm once again astounded by your patience when talking to these people. I admire your work and all that you do! ❤️
Why are dairy farmers so worried because of some "activist" if no difference has been made even after 1000 years of veganism?
Don’t think I could have stayed as calm as you joey, people that communicate like that I just have to walk away from
Eloise Katherine Jackson, I watch videos like this before I go to any AR events. They ground me and prepare me for the antagonists, who would otherwise get under my skin. Even then, sometimes they do press my buttons, I start to get irritated or impatient, and then I recall whatever video I watched, and it brings me right back to zen....also, when I realize I am letting someone get to me, it makes me laugh as I think to myself, "Damn, imagine how pissed off I'd be if I didn't watch those videos beforehand". It's hard to get pissed off after that. . :))
Michelle DiNovo I always try my best, I always laugh on the inside when the people I talk to get so irritated by the footage and want to stop it but can’t understand how not paying for it would stop it over time
canines tho phones tho food chain tho HAHAHAHA
They kept changing the subject so much.
KKona yeh they really bounced around in this one eh?
we have a really passionate phone activist here
Steve Mcshane #PhoneLivesMatter
The only point they won was force feeding your dog a strictly vegan diet, that is just ridiculous and cruel.
you, ed + mic are people i look up to so much! thank you with all my heart
They will certainly see in a few years that the dairy industry has declined massively! It is already in decline. Several dairy farms are closing already because people don't want to support that shit!! They will remember this conversation and hopefully will have changed their line of work by that time. Social media is so powerful for creating awareness and spreading this message of nonviolence.
Lol keep kidding yourself.
Emily Seeger Few years? I doubt dairy has that long. And people like that will wait until the crap has completely hit the fan and they're putting a foreclosure sign on the barn. Stubborn.
Here’s a fun fact: 338 Wisconsin dairy farms have closed down this year alone, thanks to the high demand of vegan alternatives. That’s just one state in one country. Dairy farmer better start figuring out how to plant soy. 😘
T Eye yes yes, to make products like tofu and soy milk that contains un fermented soy that has toxins.
2coolst
What about almond or oat milk?
My dog’s favourite meals are porridge and peanut butter, and rice with chopped up veggie sausages and vegetables. He’s 14 and fit as fiddle. Dogs don’t need meat.
Joey where do I purchase all the gear to start my own solo activism ?
She is a women and she was the one who was most aggressive in defending dairy. I had a friend like this who works for a dairy farm. She would critizize everything I ate without even knowing what it tastes like. I never brought up veganism at all and she was like that. Then I asked her one day why she posts selfies and videos on social media of herself cuddling calves and feeding them. She says because calves are "cute" and "she loves them". Then I asked her "but you know where the boy calves go. Are you ok with that?" She got defensive and said " I don't fucking care. It's humane." Then she started making jokes about vegans to another classmate of mine who was also a dairy farmer. That guy probably hated me.The calves on some of her videos were female and chained to small huts and they would run and against the chain but they would fall once they reach the end of the chain and she thought that was funny. I don't get it. She used to care before her job desensitized her and she kills other animals for fun.
LZ What happens is they get down into a hateful negative environment and become that ugliness. It's like thought manifesting itself, it can literally turn you into a soulless psycho. Dairy farms are places of hell.
Anna Eagland Yes, that way of thinking is strong here in the Dairy state. So strong that elementary students here cannot dump their trays or leave until they drink all the milk in the carton and they can't purchase a meal without getting milk. They had soymilk, but they denied me so I went to office about it and they said that I could not get soymilk unless I had a doctors note saying I had a milk allergy. I told them the only option I can consume is the soymilk because I cant have animal products. They don't care if you are vegan, the school would let you starve.
Harvey PlantHarvester It's hard to see otherwise good people protect something so harmful.
It was the week before I graduated, but I should ask the school board to allow options. I was really upset that day because my lunch from home spilled and I paid for a school lunch and never got anything. I'm 18 and needed a dr's note to drink a plant. It's insane. I didn't tell my mom. It's a small town so I don't know if they would be open to change, but maybe I'll try.
She kills animals for fun? Can you give examples
i enjoyed the overlay graphics too
Nah, I feel it much better and more respectful without.
Reality is we are apex predators. that is exactly what the F we are.
Alex We're apex scavengers when we buy it already dead and packaged, and we're apex slavers for domestication. Predators, less so.
Of course, individually, if you throw us out in the 'wild' with no weapons and no clothes, we ain't nothing of the sort. However, to conceptualise things in that way is to deny the truth of what it is to be human. We are tool making animals who have got to a point where we can selectively breed bodies into existence and dispose of them on a large scale and consume them in all kinds of ways to such an extent that the whole balance of nature is now completely out of sync. We are predators of another kind altogether.
Alex To be human is also to have moral agency and to philosophize about what amount and degree of harm is acceptable. Our human religions and philosophies overwhelmingly counsel reduction of harm and suffering while still meeting our needs. That sets us apart even further from other animals.
This is one of my favourite debates. Go Joey 💪🏼🌱
Depends sometimes i agree sometimes a dont
All of the arguments that he used are stupid, comparing giving a dog vegan food to killing a cow 🙄
good debate
elite stupidly at work here, especially from the girl
she was borderline brain dead
Footsoldier Yea man such a turn off ew..
LiveOrDie Ya lol, we have two teeth with little points. Some don't even have that. So stupid when people make that argument.
tony72794 where?
I live rural and surrounded by dairy farms and between March- May solidly for 6 weeks I listened to mothers heartbroken and bellowing out for their taken new born calves all hours of the day and night, it were gut wrenching. One of the fields are full of young heifers ( about 50 ) some can't be any older than 16 weeks and are tiny.... they are just another fresh batch if new wombs later to be exploited for their reproductive system.... it's one big production line... the dairy industry is Female reproductive exploitation and has a female and mother I will NEVER stop fighting for my sister's💖
that's such a beautiful thing to say. So true
Awakened Soul your sister is a cow? 😂
@@shawn170204 go away. You're an idiot!
Joey you did amazing! ❤️❤️ Stay strong 💪
Older video, but all the points still stand. Hundreds of years from now when animal agriculture is dismantled, people will look back on these videos and recognize the same truths that we recognize today. Lovely outreach, Joey!
All that dairy has curdled their brains!
Ronald Plett or a cow and a pig i love how much blood they carry
THIS REPLY SECTION IS GOLD OMG IM DYING
@@RonaldPlett you are sick
@@annac6558 healthier than any vegan though
Anna C
Don’t call him a cavity
love how they think they are coming up with a new 'reason' to justify these horrors. then they don't listen cos they are already desperately searching for the next reason. sad
There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see.
Leonardo da Vinci.
Great debate. Maybe they’ll get it one day.
@Michael Gamble the problem with eggs are chickens are forced to be in small cages so they cant spread their wings. Also the chickens are always getting tased so they could lay more eggs under all of that stress. Oh and they also grind up male baby chicks alive so that is why eggs are bad.
I know a vegan couple who rescued chickens and will eat their eggs. If there is no cruelty involved then I don't see it being an issue, unless you are eating plant based for health reasons.
@Michael Gamble why do want to eat the chickens babies?
@@alilsalty7614 because those eggs are not ours to take. The hens do not consent. They can and will eat them themselves if you break them open. Laying eggs causes the hens to deplete so many minerals in their bodies. It takes do much out of them. They need the sustenance themselves. Furthermore, when you take the egg, then hen thinks that she has to lay more. So it perpetuates a cycle of the hen laying eggs at a rate which is not healthy for them. In the wild a hen would lay 10 - 15 eggs per year...not 1 per day. It is unnatural and damages their health.
@@nicolawebster3101 I thought that the hen needs to have sex to lay more eggs?
this couple was dumb af - they tried to find every single petty argument to disqualify the cause. ''oh why are they wearing masks?'', ''you do the same to dogs because they want to eat meat'', ''do you have a phone? do you have a car?", "the dairy industry will never die so it's useless to care".
The length at which people are willing to go to justify their actions is beyond me. When she was saying they were good people it just sounded like her confirming her narrative and position, telling herself she's not bad, she's not wrong about her opinion and doing what she does.
Rant over; your debates are great Joey, cheers to you for being a boss.
Veganism is unstoppable.
Veganism is a starvation diet so there is no need to stop it, we just got to wait. I'll watch while eating raw meat 😉
Zaebos007 really? That's news to me. I'm not starving and neither are any of my friends or the millions of vegans worldwide.
There are, however starving children in impoverished countries because the West is feeding those grains to factory farmed animals.
So every time someone eats an animal product they've essentially taken food out of a starving child's mouth and given it to their future burger. Cheers!
You'll need a violent cultural revolution in order to instate plant-based eating.
shoe laces "forced strict VEGETARIANS"
KKona
If plants were healthy for the human body, they would not rot human teeth. Meat cannot rot human teeth, only plants/sugars/carbs can. Plants are evil: sugar, carbs, caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, pot, cocaine, opium etc... Plants = Agriculture slavery of mind and body.
The way you came back at that douchebag with the iPhone theory was amazing 😂
Great Job, im really surprised that you only laughed when they were talking about the food chain, I started laughing way earlier fockin hell