In retrospect there were definitely some things I would have preferred to answer in a bit more detail and things I left out, but of course you do the best you can in the situation when on the spot. One thing I noticed with these students, as intelligent as they all are, they were only pointing outside of themselves it seemed. They were constructing or pointing to exceptional scenarios on the edge and I saw no one address or justify their own contribution to the violence towards animals. I wanna say a big thank you to the amazing and open minded professor who allowed me in to talk to the students and I hope to do something like this again soon. Here’s my response to the debate ruclips.net/video/c66UjB4Ex_c/видео.html Here’s a conversation I had with a student after wards ruclips.net/video/JVG_NBcP2kA/видео.html Btw here’s a great video to answer the question of whether culture is a justification ruclips.net/video/z6iPdFiewQQ/видео.html
Amazing job Joey! Public speaking is never easy, especially public debating! I've been following you since you started your channel and man have you grown so much! The fact that you are as big as you are now, man, I would never have thought that. All anyone needs is to have that small seed planted, I can gurantee you and you would know this to, that every single person will be more concious now. They may not change tomorrow, but they will change. Thanks for what you do. Keep up the amazing work team Carbstong!
Joey Carbstrong, so tell me, how is a person like myself that's allergic to all grains and has trouble digesting legumes suppose to be healthy on a vegan diet? Am I suppose to graze on leafy green vegetables and fruits all day like a cow and never reach my daily caloric intake? Vegans need to understand not everyone can be healthy on a vegan diet!
They have no logic Joey, they are all about group think and can't justify their own actions. This is how liberals think these days. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Live by that quote and life is easy. I have only been vegan for a couple years so i ate meat most my life. Until i saw the light and saw that you are actually harming another sentient being for your own selfish needs and it is not even healthy for you at the same time. The choice is easy.
"how is a person like myself that's allergic to all grains and has trouble digesting legumes suppose to be healthy on a vegan diet? I do not eat grains or legumes and I eat raw plants only. Raw fruit, sprouts and leafy greens are even healthier than legumes and grains. You do not need to be allergic to grains to appreciate superior digestion with even better plant foods. "Am I suppose to graze on leafy green vegetables and fruits all day like a cow" Not like a cow. Like an orangutan. You decide what YOU are "supposed to eat" instead of setting up fallacies of bifurcation and looking for someone else to tell you what to do as YOU jockey for a victim role. "and never reach my daily caloric intake?" ? I eat 2,700 calories a day on a raw plant diet. You can too if you want to. "Vegans need to understand not everyone can be healthy on a vegan diet!" No. YOU need to understand that YOU choose to consume animal products and YOU have not provided any evidence that ANY human requires meat intake because NO human eats meat as a biological imperative unless deprived of healthy food. There is NO evidence any human requires anything found only in animal products EVER. If you find an example go ahead and publish it because your insight seems to be missing in the scientific literature. "The British Dietetic Association (BDA) and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) state that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful and nutritionally adequate and appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence and older adulthood. AND indicates that a vegan diet is also appropriate for the needs of an athlete." Jakše, B., & Jakše, B. (2017). Ali je vegansko prehranjevanje primerno za športnike in nosečnice?. Sport: Revija Za Teoreticna in Prakticna Vprasanja Sporta, 65. eds.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?
I think it's the sort of thing Universities need to introduce more often. Debates like this are so important for the sake of perspective, rather than just having arguments online with people who think that good nutrition only applies to one type of diet e.c.t Joey needs to be able to clear the air with this whole vegan thing and explain that not every vegan or animal activist is a complete douche. I do think however, that Joey need to look into nutrition and be more specific. He's gotta stop saying it's causes diabetes, cancer .e.c.t and start explaining how these things occur. Otherwise, if he encounters someone who knows about adequate nutrition, he's going to get destroyed.
*Beep Boop* What would be the problem with that? Dr Greger isn't the worst option that there is but I still think it's better for Joey to study the chemical structure/breakdown of each vitamin/mineral or whatever it may be, so that he he can hold a conversation about nutrition. There's to many studies out there that have conflicting information. All these people online who think they're the "king of the walk" simply because they've studied or recited a few pages worth of information about nutritional topics doesn't exactly strike me as a "good resource". Especially when they try and connect the dots and attempt to make a plant based diet sound much more inadequate than it is.
Yeah although he mocked capitalism while wearing manufactured clothes, teaching inside a building constructed with hundreds of manufactured materials, having an apple computer on the desk and electrical lightning in the ceiling and so on... But other than that, yeah, he was aight :)
@@madsgrnlund8024 So apparently if you live in a forced dictatorship, you like it because you're there. That is the equivalent of what you're saying. Capitalism IS terrible, but how about you tell me how in America I can get clothes and go to school in a non-capitilistic way? There is NOT one, so we accept having clothes through capitalism is better than you know NOT having clothes. Are you that dense that you don't understand that?
I’m 43, been vegan for 4 years and never looked back. Had the niggling ethical thing stabbing at the back of my mind for far longer than I’ve been vegan until one day I was just like “f*ck it I’m going vegan!” No regrets except for not doing it sooner, love the food- no cravings for animal products- for me if u get the right vegan foods / brands they’re tastier than their animal counterparts in my opinion. Lost weight, feel healthier and most importantly feel morally sound. Thanks Joey! You and Ed Winters are my main inspirations 😊
I supported my Daughter, now alnost 19, with her vegetarianism thru Anorexia with her Hospital insisting all the way through it was a symptom of her Anorexia. There were plenty of plant based optiions to feed her. 5 years later she's now totally healthy & I'm now Vegan. I have never felt better physically, mentally & spiritually. 'Treat others the way you would like to be treated' has always resonated with me, having meditated on it a lot over my 51 yrs. Swaying away from that basic truth of that is the cause of most of our problems & also points to why we shouldn't exploit & kill animals for food.
If it is just a symptom of anorexia then she would not need to quit. What is the point of treating harmless symptoms? What you have to treat are causes and any symptoms which are too severe. Though good to hear that it was not a symptom of a disease. Makes sense. Veganism can easily be very healthy for humans.
Tiya Kar it might be scary but you could ask your head teacher if you could do a speach like this. Or if you have some sort of class presentation that everyone has to do you could try and make it about veganism
Rube I’m planning on doing an animal ethics Ted [style] Talk to my school for my EPQ and I’m so nervous... it will be such an amazing experience though!
I wish Joey Carbstrong would speak to my family and make them see. I’m going on my 3rd year of a vegan lifestyle after being raised with an animal flesh-based diet. This is also the 3rd year I will be celebrating all of the holidays alone because my family doesn’t respect my decision to be vegan. They don’t want me bringing my vegan food to their table. Oh the horror of grains and veggies!! They don’t want to hear my reasons for becoming vegan. They called my plant-based & harm-free lifestyle choice _silly_ and _very bizarre_ - so yeah......
@RustySpoons It makes me really happy reading that you're still in the right path despite your toxic family. I wish you all the best and hope people like your family make the connetion someday! 💕
@Blake King My chronic migraines and my terrible IBS stomach issues WENT AWAY completely since I went vegan. NEVER GOING BACK!!! I feel better than ever 😁 Don't knock it till you try it
It’s always hilarious watching vegans argue with people who think they’re saying something original or groundbreaking to us when we’ve heard these excuses a thousand times before. It’s like watching Patrik Baboumian arm wrestle a baby: no contest.
Vegans have no good points. The whole vegan agenda can be summed up in this one statement..." stop eating animals bro because it hurts my feelings man."
Okay so the girl who was vegan; I had anorexia. And going vegan helped my Ed, as well as other ppl who also struggled with an Ed as well. I have more options now, I had to get creative and learn how to cook differently, but it opened up a whole new world of options I never knew was there. It helped my Ed bc I didn't feel dirty after eating. I stopped counting calories because I knew there were far less than in meat or cheese. It took away a lot of worries and allowed me to get over that struggle and fear of weight gain, and allowed me to still exercise with a clear mind instead of the constant goal of having a negative calorie intake by the end of the day.
I have a different ED, not as bad, but I’m still very thin. People say I’m a list for pushing veganism and when they find out, they just look for another excuse. People don’t really care about our health, they just want an excuse to kill animals. But I’m glad you’re healthier now.
As someone with an eating disorder, being vegan has been helpful! I was restricting and deep in my ED as a non vegan. Eating disorders are not about food!! So vegan or not you can have an eating disorder. What's needed is help through mental health therapists.
Jan Schlossar well wasn't that one of the most ignorant, unintelligent and~ never thought I'd need to use this word in this century~ chauvinistic thing I've read in a while. It's official, you're a caveman. Congratulations.
Andy Owen ok now you're just flirting Oh, no, really, congratulations to *you* . I'm pretty sure you didn't miss one trending term from 2016. Well, you flunked the test question, but I'm sure those soft and cuddly bro points are all you really need, am I right? "How can I stand up for animals if I can't even stand up for my girlfriend?"...... Michael Hebo It'll all be all right, Andy. I still have hope for you.
I think that the question needed a response that implied that yes small changes are good and accidents happen. We are not all perfect and the world we live in has been designed to make a plant based diet less convenient than an animal inclusive diet. She was referring to vegans that shame people who struggle and make mistakes and needed to hear that people that the movement is empathetic at its core and acceptance is key. Small strides lead to bigger ones.
The Roar Within, human and apes have been hunting animals for over a million years. It's only since people have grouped into city's that hunting and killing animals is considered wrong by people who aren't in touch with nature.
I am in touch with nature i feel than most humans on this planet, I admire the beauty. Which I feel makes me even more less wanting to slaughter an animal and eat its flesh. I prefer planting vegetables and eating fruits. Take what nature provided for us. Not take what we want at anothers expense. Plus it is healthier for us humans.
Stefan Veganism has a long history dating all the way to acient monks removing animals from their diets due to religion as well as Leonardo Da Vinci known to abstain from animal harm rumored to be vegan by the looks of his writing concerning animals. As well as many other philosophers.
ooohcodes, if you were truly in touch with nature you'd understand there's a food chain and animals die because of it. Also, eating plants isn't healthy for everyone, I'm allergic to grains and legumes.
Stefan It is healthy you just have a allergy easy google some alternative or supplement quit being a whinny SJW and man up. Yes you're appealing to nature i could use to justify any othe immoral acts not a good way to understand morality quite opposite in fact we judge these by well being and consequence.
I had disorded eating as well, and way before veganism. After 4 months of veganism, I decided to start intuitive eating to save my relationship with food. Now, after 6 months of intuitive eating and 10 months of veganism, I can say that I finally feel free and that my relationship with food is fixed. Veganism actually helped me not to feel guilty because I could remember that even if I ate some cake or chocolate, as long as it was vegan, I was doing a good thing. It's possible to cure an eating disorder while being vegan, and I'm glad I did.
I honestly hate being a meat eater - I plan to do the 22 day challenge at least. You and Earthling Ed have really opened my eyes. EDIT: Shout out to Melbourne University and this Professor for allowing this - this is how education should be done
Novatur Design please stop you are being brainwashed. You can still be saved. Dont go down the wrong path. Get some meat fast. Remember its smelliness and rich flavour. Veganism is bad for people. Just look at people in this comment section and the amount of hate comming out from them just because they didnt taste good piece of meat in years.
Stefan talking about a controversial subject makes you out to be in a cult lol. You got a problem with freedom of speech buddy or are you just triggered crybaby?
Having been an university student, the institution is structured in a way that doesn’t encourage you to critically think outside your ego. You’re taught for years that you cannot succeed from failure, which is the opposite in real life. you’re told how intelligent you are, your ego is stroked and the concept of the real world is skewed because when you leave you realise most of the theory you learned will never be used once you leave student life behind. You did a great job Joey!
Don’t let school get in the way of your education. That’s the way I think of it. Yes education is important but you learn more in 6 months in the real world than 20 years of education.
I had to stop the video, take a break and then resume. The excuses and silly questions were just a bit over the top. Also cause it's a classroom, many people against one. I would never have held up on my own.
Like you vegan people only think about animals in farming not the animals and forests and humans that die every year so you can drink your soy milk almond milk corn everything, and please don't say dairy or any animal farms require forest to be cut be cause your lieing to your self and others take a drive to the Sierra's National Forest and tell how many trees were cut for those open range cattle to feed can you guess 0% guess how many forest are cut down so you can eat your salad thousands and hay farms take up not even 3% of the farming it's all your veggies you want so badly and eat and if we were to stop animal farming guess what more plantations less rivers more dams and canals that is thousands of species dead pesticides thousands of animals and natural habitats gone think before you speak studying is key knowledge is power
@@necrosisbroseph1793 thank you for sharing your thoughts, and weighing in on the subject. So lets approach this from a common sense angle. A 25 lb sack of potatoes: 1) feeds a human for 33 days. 2) feeds a cow for 1 day You would need lots and lots of fields, and space to grow the food. We look to poor countries to do that cheap for us. They cut down rainforest. Meanwhile these cows produce so much urine and dung, we don't know what to do with it. Germany (for example) has so much cow urine & dung, nitrates seep into the ground water rendering it unsafe to drink. It's best explained in the documentary 'Cowspiracy'. Please watch it, and let me know what you think 😊👍💚
Most of the chickens people get to raise as backyard egg layers come from feed store hatcheries. I've not once seen male chicks at these feed stores. I wonder why....
How do you think those chickens existed if it weren't for some cockerels? Of course they keep some male chickens. The rest are usually sold to other chicken farms or individuals.
ASMRyouVEGANyet? We get a slew of male roosters for sale or for free on the Facebook local feeds. I guess the previous "owners" would rather buy their carcasses and slaughter their own.
Anthony Mercado, you do realise that chickens will lay eggs whether there is a roster or not. I have had 3 chickens for about 5 years, never been near a rooster and they still lay eggs.
I learned in my medical class that they literally are finding new technology to not test on animals. There are other ways to do it, just like there always is.
I have signed up for several human testing experiments. It's always explained very clearly what they expect of you. And you are paid I feel human testing has A negative connotation around it. A lot more people would be willing to have try if this was seen as something that is acceptable. Especially if its instead of an animal being scared and unaware
I found it quite funny when that persn wrongly accused Joey of being classist in relation to the slaughterhouse workers, but then themselves said 'it's better that a poor persn has a job rather than a poor persn being unemployed' - you cannot use that as a justification to continue funding the people who treat these workers so poorly and put them at such risk emotionally and physically - the conditions they work in are some of the worst and as Joey said, are consistent in human rights violations. This persn was in fact classist themselves, and hypocritical at that. That's like saying poor women who are forced into sex work are better off because 'hey at least they have a bit more money, nevermind their mental and physical health :)'
shoe laces no other can't eat my pets because they belong to me. Just as I won't randomly go and chop up someone's chicken for food unless their owner was agreeable. I don't agree with cannibalism because it causes a form of mad cow disease. Also, once again, as they are MY family members I'm not gonna allow random people to eat them. I don't think other mammals deserve the same consideration as humans. It's okay for us to use them for our own benefit.
Amazing Joey. You really held your own and asked just the right questions to get them thinking. Wish you were still in the UK 😢 much love from the BWP 💕xxxxxxx
"When vegan food isnt as readily avalible" if u can buy meat u can buy a can of beans. It's that simple. Beans and potatoes and a veg instead of steak and potatoes..
Butternut squash contains every amino acid, carbohydrates, fat (if you eat the seeds), fibre, vitamin C, vitamin A etc That with some mushrooms and a B12 supplement are you're good to go. I've just checked it on cronometer and it's only lacking in vitamins D and B12 everything else is there! It's my new favourite food.😀
UniqKoenie, my excuse for eating animals and dairy is because I'm allergic to grains and legumes. The only way I can live and be healthy is to eat animals.
Because not all people want a commie telling them what they can and can't eat. Veganism is a diet for civilized slaves. I like living far from civilization raising, hunting, foraging and growing most of my own food. It's pure freedom being able to produce food and preserve it myself. We can survive a collapse just fine.
Stefan hey i highly doubt that but if that is the case then im sorry to hear you cant live a vegan lifestyle because of your allergies bud, but most people can live vegan. Allergies to plants is pretty rare and if you have extreme health problems like that then no one should trying to get you to change.
It's easy for that kid to say he'd rather have a poor person be employed than not be employed. Slaughterhouses are NEVER in upper class neighborhoods. This is a class issue. College kids don't understand this shit.
And whats wrong with what hes saying? I grew up poor and I agree with him. Liberals have a morality complex to think that someone is "too good" for a certain type of job. I think you just have to work with what you have to pull yourself up on the ladder. Better to have a bad TEMPORARY job than no job at all.
I applaud the professor... He didn't have to let you speak but first and foremost he's an educator and seen this as an opportunity to educate his students and let them choose them for themselves
Wow, just watched this and wow, just wow. The way you articulate your points demands respect. Absolute legend in the game! Your soon to blow 🙌🏼 subbed and notifications on bro! All the best from London
So many red herrings with irrelevant anecdotal logic. Given the audience never challenged the heart of the argument regarding factory farming they must be in agreement despite their pathetic outlier arguments
Matthew Brosnan I'm not gonna participate in this debate because most of the time it leads to nowhere. But I'll just give you a little something to think about. The way you vegans see us meat-eaters is the same way fruitarians view vegans. Think about it for a while. A long while.
Personally i think a raw vegan diet is the healthiest diet for humans but i don't eat that way 100% of the time and don't look at an animal eater the same way as a non animal eater or fruitarian. Not sure how you argue that without giving evidence. Explain to me exactly how fruitarians view vegans..... You are just making another excuse like all the others that find it too hard to go vegan. As long as your not killing animals i think you are doing a good thing for the animals your own health and the environment.
ooohcodes not to be confrontational, honestly just an aside, I disagree with the raw part simply because many already healthy foods become healthier by being cooked. Totally irrelevant to your other main points though.
david bouy Yeah you're one of those people who disagrees with every analogy on the face of the planet because it doesn't fit your ideology. Hardly mature if you ask me. If you don't believe me go ask a fruitarian. They see vegans and meat-eaters all alike because we eat living, sentient products. What you gonna argue now stupid vegan? You gonna say that plants aren't sentient? I've heard it all before. Delude yourself some more. I know I contribute to animal abuse but at least I don't delude myself like you trying to claim some moral superiority. Keep deluding yourself bro. If it helps you sleep at night keep at the delusional fantasies.
Every damn question comes down to a Fallacy of Relative Privation (aka, "Appeal to Other Problems"), not a single person talked about what was possible and practical for THEM, all they could do was go to what was in their mind, justification for eating animals, and it ALWAYS involved other countries and other people, i.e. RED HERRING, and that last guy near to the end, just Moving the Goalpost over and over. Pathetic. >:(
Anything that challenges your worldview is hard to accept. It's uncomfortable to think about ethics -- especially when you come to the realization that you're living unethically. Nobody wants to be a hypocrite and people generally don't like change.
Avenger This was not about just being uncomfortable. They were shown graphic footage yet there was no normal empathetic reaction from those who asked questions. All they cared about was trying to show how much smarter they were than a vegan. Except all they could come up with were the same stupid hypothetical situations heard a million times before. It was obvious that Joey was thinking circles around them.
Just some background info. I was in this class. This is a first year class (freshman ) for a subject called “reason”. Our lecturer encouraged us to challenge everything we heard in an effort to tie in what he’s presenting with our subject. So no, we were not ignorant. no were not “denying”. we were simply challenging and genuinely inquiring into everything we saw and heard as we were encouraged to. Side note: was also the one with the pomeranian 💁🏽♀️
Paleo-vegan? That's an idea. People kind of do that with raw vegan. Remember though that the vegetables and fruit we eat are bred to make them bigger, higher calorie and more palatable. And rice cannot be eaten raw for example so that's not 'natural'. I eat mainly cooked food (vegan).
How about addressing the "core" belief? Joey glosses over his epistemological coherentism and how he arrived at the truth that veganism is law. Then he throws animal rights and exploitation into the mix, as if people are just going to agree that veganism is overall healthy. News flash, you don't go from A to C, skipping vegetarianism in-between. This guy doesn't understand social science.
Jan Schlossar Agree 100%. You described them perfectly. College or a college degree does not necessarily make one intelligent or smart. It's funny how many think that's the case. Smh. Capitalism is an exploitative system and should have never existed.
ubu All these people who were supposedly Vegan and are no longer is bunch of bs. I don't believe ANY of them. As far as I'm concerned, they're either trying to get attention or they're paid shills to attack Veganism.
They used animals in wars too not just humans. I have a Eating disorder and I have been a Vegan since Feb 2017, I am getting a dietician to help with my eating disorder and if they ask me to eat animal products I would find another one that wouldn't. That doesn't stop me being vegan because I put the animals before myself.
I srsly know so many people who went vegan who had a eating disorder before and they managed to fix it through going vegan. I am no doc, but I would even say, that making unethical food choices can subconciously give you such problems. Maybe not for most, but probably for some people.
Eating Disorders are incredibly complicated. From what I gathered from her statement, it sounded like she didn't get the right information to support her vegan lifestyle. In my opinion, she sounds like a finger pointer...and finds the "restrictiveness" of a plant based diet an easy excuse.
Steph Ss Yes I told my counciler what I was eating and said, sounds like you are trying to eat healthy so I can understand why she probley thinks that way and eating vegan is like a clean way to eat for people with E.D, I went the other way being vegan and I binged and still do, The problem is when a person with a E.D hears you can get really thin on a Plant based diet they think that is great and they don't feel guilty. They don't stick to it because they haven't connect to the ethical side. I have a E.D and getting help but I think of the animals all the time not just in food products.
LunnarisLP I eat 100% Vegan, no animal products. I think what people forget is just because your Vegan doesn't mean that things in your personal life go away. Most vegans are out of Abusive situations I am not, causing me to binge.
chinom the majority of crops are grown to feed and fatten the 74 billion land animals killed every year in the Animal agriculture industry so a vegan lifestyle is by far and away the most compassionate choice - and not only for animals but humans too as in a vegan world we’d be able to feed a population of 12 billion and eradicate world hunger!
" I don't think you're hearing us." I hear you loud and clear: you're looking for a way to make yourself feel better for subsidizing the unnecessary slaughter of innocent animals.
@@soulhunter59 The American association of nutrition and dietetics has published a peer reviewed statement saying and proving that a vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate for all stages of life... www.eatrightpro.org/-/media/eatrightpro-files/practice/position-and-practice-papers/position-papers/vegetarian-diet.pdf So... I'm pretty sure they and the thousands of scientists working on publishing the research they referenced know more than you on the topic of nutrition. And if you take a look at the adventist study the longest living diet group and the group with the lowest prevalence ofchronic disease and the lowest all cause mortality is the vegan one... And by eating liver as you say you risk vitamin A toxicity which causes liver damage. And both fish and liver are loaded with cholesterol which nis a risk factor for atherosclerosis.
@@Andrea-eq3ou Too much anything can kill you, but liver is very good for you. Native Americans have stories of gods rewarding humans for eating the liver. The hero would make an offering of meat to the gods while he would eat the bad tasting liver. Fish is good for joint health, and literally, every human civilization would eat fish. Much like anything, not all fish is created equal. Though there is a reason why you can buy fish oil in the vitamin section, it reduces swelling in the knees, and doctors will recommend it. I did scan over the article, but I did not see any statistics on sugar consumption, access to health care, and overall economic status. All of these play a factor and can alter the statistics of this study. If you are a vegan, there is a good chance you are wealthy. If you do not have access to meat, chances are you're eating beans, beans, and more beans. You may have access to corn, rice, potatoes, and other greens. Most vegan delicacies don't grow well here in the United States and require refrigeration and long-distance transportation. It's also more expensive, and you need to be eating all day every day. I was vegan for five long years, and I remember being always hungry with little energy. Workouts were harder, and I felt sluggish all the time. I also found out that my sugar consumption was significantly higher. Without fat or meat, you sacrifice taste, and you end up adding sugar to everything. I never got back into my regular workout again, and I was addicted to sugar, so I gained an easy 20 lbs. I went back to eating meat and didn't quit sugar, so I gained another 30 pounds. Easily the worst this that could have happened to me was being vegan between the age of 20 and 25. Either way, it didn't stop heart disease, so I thought fuck it.
@@soulhunter59 your own personal anectode is irrelevant without any other evidence that meat is neessary for our health. The fact that you didn't appropriately plan your diet is no proof of anything. I could get a person who eats a shitty diet in any dietary group and make any claim I want. A;so. the vegan diet is definitely not more expensive nor for the priviliged. I am a student on a budget and I manage to meet my nutritional needs with 20 euros a week. So what are you talking about, have you ever done your own groceries? The poorest people on the planet are plant based. And what people did years ago is irrelevant to our modern society. As I said no other diet group had a lower all cause mortality than the vegan group, so unless you have any evidence that vegans as a population have higher rates of deficiency or bad health outcomes your claims have no ground. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-015-1079-7 A recent study has show that vegans do not have higher prevalence of deficiencies compared to other groups. Vitamin A was definately not one of the deficiencies that was specific to the vegan group. The iron in your meat is also heme iron which is a pro oxidant in the body and raises your relative risk for cancer... And that's why vegans had a lower prevalence of cancer, epecially breast and prostate cancer. Meat is by no means necessary for human health and you making such claims is just plain wrong and dangerous.
You did the best you could. It must have been awkward to be there with time restrictions and the well meaning teacher kind of interrupting, not that I'm knocking the teacher as he allowed this debate in the first place. It saddens me to see young people already so brain-washed and indoctrinated. I feel that you definitely planted vegan seeds Joey.
What a wonderful teacher to allow Joey to inform the students of what is going on in this world. Wish Joey could go around to every school and help the students understand that animal abuse is wrong.
Maaaaaaaaaan, I feel for you brother. I’ve realised most people still have ego and it’s like talking to a brick wall. Children would have just been like “oh yeah, let’s stop eating animals”. A good friend told me that she used to engage in activism but she realised that building the future with others will leave the old behind. Look at what the nerds have done with technology. So yeah, maybe the energy you’re using to trying to awaken ego trapped beings could be used more effectively just building the future with those that resonate with you (me included!). Love ya man x
I’ve been vegan for 3 years and last year I got my blood results and I wasn’t lacking anything, I was extremely healthy. They said I was the healthiest patient they’ve seen in a long time☺️
Yeah, it sounded like she was talking down on Joey and being defensive as soon as she opened her mouth. The type of person you can‘t have any constructive discussion with at all.
So refreshing to hear ethics by university professor. Never took a class myself, which now I wish I had, so nice to see a snip. Great job Joey on getting yourself out there!
"Ethics". And who decides whats ethical and whats not? You have no criterion to say something is unethical. Just a bunch of philosophical drivel that leads to argumentation.
# wahmen respector That is wonderful! howdoigovegan.com is a really great source for the ethics and has many, many fantastic recipes! Please check it out! Two great documentaries concerning health and the environment are "What The Health", which is on Netflix and "Cowspiracy", which if I'm not mistaken is on YT. I wish you the best! :)
Watch What the Health and Cowspiracy on Netflix, they’re both really good. Also, don’t miss Best Speech You Will Ever Hear by Gary Yourofsky on RUclips. Thank you for caring and doing more research!
Props. That’s how I was. I loved to watch joeys videos because I fully supported veganism but hadn’t made the final step myself. Eventually it became more appealing to ditch animal products than to keep supporting them. I’m on month two right now, so much easier than I would have expected. Only thing is I want to learn more dinner recipes.
It's so nice to hear such clear answers to these common questions, been vegan for a year and a half now I often don't have a great response to everyone's questions. Thanks!!! For me veganism was the best thing for my eating disorder, it feels almost completely gone now!
"Are you suggesting that humans aren't natural carnivores?" Lol I try to be polite and understanding because I've been a meat eater before but no one suggests we are natural carnivores we are omnivores by majority. So many people confuse carnivores with omnivores and it is such a basic concept. Also it annoys me how some questions are posed with such arrogance and assurance when they are so flawed.
I’m so fucking done with hearing “natural carnivore/omnivore”. Of course we used to eat meat, but we DO NOT NEED TO and SHOULD NOT anymore now that we’re not god damn Neanderthals
The argument I use to anyone trying to debate me on veganism is “you can literally never tell me any excuse that will justify the torture that billions of animals are undergoing”
@@tp_mcvey9879 I don’t. I never start debates with anyone. But people like to debate me lol, only family members tho because they are annoying, when I’m just trying to do my thing, and not associate with factory farmed meat/ products 👍. And I don’t defend veganism necessarily, mostly just for there to not be constant access to meat. And I’m fine with others eating meat, I did it for 19 years! Everyone has to choose to stop on their own. But even telling people why I don’t eat meat when they ask, is a productive way to give them insight, rather then saying what they’re doing is wrong. I have weaned my boyfriend to stop buying meat tho, not by making him, but he likes veggie burgers and only buys those now (cause I can eat too) and barely buys meat
Although I mainly focus on doing photography and videography for my activism for now, I would also want to make a speech someday just like you do, and these speeches are really helpful! Thank you for what you do Joey!
Good on you Joey, you smashed it mate, in front of a lecture hall full of uni students, must be nerve wracking, nice one mate. Keep fighting the good fight.
its so frustrating to hear the same things over and over again because people aren't listening to learn and understand, they're listening to argue and respond. Another amazing video tho!! Go vegan, spread the loveee
@@soundlessolive9184 I would also love a burger even tho im a vegan fan and i am aware that there is no argument against veganism. I am just really selfish unfortunately :(
Really annoys me when people use eating disorders as an excuse for not going vegan- a lot of people have suffered from eating disorders, myself included in the past, and I think it's wrong to say that the so-called "restriction" of a vegan diet is triggering for people with an eating disorder. Even after I got over the E.D I didn't have a love for food, but since being vegan I've felt a peace with it, and it's opened up a huge variety of foods that I would never have tried/thought I'd like. It's incredible how helpful being a vegan can be; healthy body, healthy mind. I liked the lecturer/professor though.
reallifevixen I think eating disorders can use it as a sneaky excuse to restrict, but that reflects upon their eating disorder rather than veganism itself
If you had made the decision to become vegan and kept it up for as long as you did, but one day some aspect of the meat and dairy and egg industrys' campaign somehow became a powerful stimulus for you to choose to act in a way that conflicts with your values, do you see how veganism isn't the cause. In fact, do you also see that an increased presence of veganism will make it easier for you to avoid such stimulai and to live into your values? Do you see that, rather than allowing shame or embarrassment stop you, positively acting on the guilt and renewing your commitment to be vegan will contribute to the demand (and stop the demand for animal abuse) and help purpetuate change as well as offering solidarity to others who wish to avoid the unhelpful stimulai too.
11:48 okay i have two answers for anyone who still thinks humans are natural carnivores or have an instinct to kill: 1. Primates were mostly herbivores, with some insects that they occasionally ate for lack of plant sources having certain minerals available in lesser numbers. And primates are our ancestors. Homo habilus, homo erectus, neanderthals(complete vegans) were all only plant eating. Until ice age which also only effected the temperate regions and beyond to shift to meat. 1.1 a small extra fact: human digestive system is least effcient with digesting meat. In fact its a very well known fact that our metabolism and alimentary canal are least active and slow down body processes for breaking down food essentially not meant for them. 2. Every animals naturally designed to kill has tools in yheir body which help them digest their non vegetarian diet: Like • claws (with curves) • canine teeth specifically designed and arranged for attack on prey etc. And human have canines that herbivores share for biting into plant. They dont resemble carnivores arrangements rather are more blunt and just an extra tool developed to penetrate fruit and vegetables, sometimes stems. And considering the counter arguement for 2 that: well, humans have intellect/brain that functions to come up with solutions for making meat possible to eat by inventing the first ever artifical tools, aka non bodily tools, againa the question boils down to: if it is not for survival, would an early man, or per se even a modern man killing something because he likes the taste, custom or sense of intellectual superiority justify his actions towards an animal with feelings experiences and sometimes better cognition than himself? 22:00 great response 28:04 also a little response: "Because they only had rice and cabbage and meat" Well, a meat producing factory farm takes up about 18 times as much land as a plant based farm does. Because we feed the live stock and then kill it, have another gen ready to be fed woth more land/ if its factory then the fodder comes from a different location still using up about 18 times the land that we actually need. 67% of the world agricultural land is used to feed livestock 21.8% is used for protein sources like legumes, green veggies and stuff. So you're actually using less land, contributing to smaller carbon foot print, producing more food than ever, and vertical fsrming can even bring in all the 20,000+ edible plant species for cultivation. Its about realisation of facts and how far as a consumer you are willing to say no to meat, and increase the highly efficient plant based farming industry.
Your response to all questions were RIGHT ON Joey , you are awesome ! we are all grateful for your fantastic work for the animals , for this world to be more compassionate and aware . Love you !!!
Beep Boop what does kill humanely mean? How do you humanely kill plants? Sorry it just doesnt make sanse you vegans are so funny people. I mean its hilarious how stupid you are. All of you. We kill animals for meat. Thats it. I dont care if they have to suffer for my pleasure. Thats what the God made them for.
@@filipslatkovsky1657 plants don't have a subjective living experience, they don't feel pain/have a will to live unlike animals. You shouldn't label people stupid if you believe in fictions like God lol.
@@filipslatkovsky1657 nope, it's all documented information you can easily find on the net. Your lack of education would explain your indoctrination though. Like I said call vegans or whoever dumb all you like, but doing so from a position such as yours is very hypocritical.
Joey, you are a very intelligent man, have you ever considered further education to support your activism? Been watching you for years now, so wonderful to watch how you have evolved.
I swear I keep getting baffled by your work Joey. You really know how to respond to any angle. Although sometimes you may not quite hear some questions for what they are and may jump on your responses, I can't necessarily blame you while under these circumstances. I personally canNOT imagine getting up in front of several students and putting myself "in the line of fire"! So all-in-all amazing job!! ✌🏼
This is great work Joey and I'm glad the teacher gave you a fair chance. I still can't believe people insist on finding excuses to argue in favour of meat consumption and animal cruelty.. there is simply NO EXCUSE. Keep soldiering on Joey.
To the gentlemen talking about slaughter house workers. I’m 100% sure he’s never been in one. NO ONE should ever be inside these places, the psychological toll this puts on someone you can’t comprehend. The act of killing is both an human and non human rights abuse.
I think the only two valid arguments are 1. "I don't care about animals/my dog is worth more than a pig" (which goes hand in hand with "some humans are worth more than others") and 2. "I don't want to take B12 supplements/B12-supplemented food". Anything else can be easily argued against.
Very well handled bro..calm, composed, confident, fluent..I found it very pleasing to see this side of you..you are very well suited to this type of environment 👏👏👍
In retrospect there were definitely some things I would have preferred to answer in a bit more detail and things I left out, but of course you do the best you can in the situation when on the spot.
One thing I noticed with these students, as intelligent as they all are, they were only pointing outside of themselves it seemed. They were constructing or pointing to exceptional scenarios on the edge and I saw no one address or justify their own contribution to the violence towards animals.
I wanna say a big thank you to the amazing and open minded professor who allowed me in to talk to the students and I hope to do something like this again soon.
Here’s my response to the debate
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Here’s a conversation I had with a student after wards
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Btw here’s a great video to answer the question of whether culture is a justification
ruclips.net/video/z6iPdFiewQQ/видео.html
Joey Carbstrong Excellent job, Joey. I hope to see you speak more across campuses.
Amazing job Joey! Public speaking is never easy, especially public debating! I've been following you since you started your channel and man have you grown so much! The fact that you are as big as you are now, man, I would never have thought that. All anyone needs is to have that small seed planted, I can gurantee you and you would know this to, that every single person will be more concious now. They may not change tomorrow, but they will change.
Thanks for what you do. Keep up the amazing work team Carbstong!
Joey Carbstrong, so tell me, how is a person like myself that's allergic to all grains and has trouble digesting legumes suppose to be healthy on a vegan diet? Am I suppose to graze on leafy green vegetables and fruits all day like a cow and never reach my daily caloric intake? Vegans need to understand not everyone can be healthy on a vegan diet!
They have no logic Joey, they are all about group think and can't justify their own actions. This is how liberals think these days. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Live by that quote and life is easy.
I have only been vegan for a couple years so i ate meat most my life. Until i saw the light and saw that you are actually harming another sentient being for your own selfish needs and it is not even healthy for you at the same time. The choice is easy.
"how is a person like myself that's allergic to all grains and has trouble digesting legumes suppose to be healthy on a vegan diet?
I do not eat grains or legumes and I eat raw plants only. Raw fruit, sprouts and leafy greens are even healthier than legumes and grains. You do not need to be allergic to grains to appreciate superior digestion with even better plant foods.
"Am I suppose to graze on leafy green vegetables and fruits all day like a cow"
Not like a cow. Like an orangutan. You decide what YOU are "supposed to eat" instead of setting up fallacies of bifurcation and looking for someone else to tell you what to do as YOU jockey for a victim role.
"and never reach my daily caloric intake?"
? I eat 2,700 calories a day on a raw plant diet. You can too if you want to.
"Vegans need to understand not everyone can be healthy on a vegan diet!"
No. YOU need to understand that YOU choose to consume animal products and YOU have not provided any evidence that ANY human requires meat intake because NO human eats meat as a biological imperative unless deprived of healthy food. There is NO evidence any human requires anything found only in animal products EVER. If you find an example go ahead and publish it because your insight seems to be missing in the scientific literature. "The British Dietetic Association (BDA) and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) state that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful and nutritionally adequate and appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence and older adulthood. AND indicates that a vegan diet is also appropriate for the needs of an athlete."
Jakše, B., & Jakše, B. (2017). Ali je vegansko prehranjevanje primerno za športnike in nosečnice?. Sport: Revija Za Teoreticna in Prakticna Vprasanja Sporta, 65. eds.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?
I appreciate the way that the Professor introduced you to his students.
Level 1 Activist I know, so refreshing!
I think it's the sort of thing Universities need to introduce more often. Debates like this are so important for the sake of perspective, rather than just having arguments online with people who think that good nutrition only applies to one type of diet e.c.t Joey needs to be able to clear the air with this whole vegan thing and explain that not every vegan or animal activist is a complete douche. I do think however, that Joey need to look into nutrition and be more specific. He's gotta stop saying it's causes diabetes, cancer .e.c.t and start explaining how these things occur. Otherwise, if he encounters someone who knows about adequate nutrition, he's going to get destroyed.
BounceTo TheBeat nope, he's just going to recommend dr Michael Greger to that nutritionist.
*Beep Boop* What would be the problem with that? Dr Greger isn't the worst option that there is but I still think it's better for Joey to study the chemical structure/breakdown of each vitamin/mineral or whatever it may be, so that he he can hold a conversation about nutrition. There's to many studies out there that have conflicting information. All these people online who think they're the "king of the walk" simply because they've studied or recited a few pages worth of information about nutritional topics doesn't exactly strike me as a "good resource". Especially when they try and connect the dots and attempt to make a plant based diet sound much more inadequate than it is.
BounceTo TheBeat if he encounters someone who actually is educated about nutrition, he's going to be agreed with, hardly destroyed
The teacher is one of a kind btw.
The Roar Within Nah. Most lecturers are like this. They have to be.
they have to be? what you mean?
Yeah although he mocked capitalism while wearing manufactured clothes, teaching inside a building constructed with hundreds of manufactured materials, having an apple computer on the desk and electrical lightning in the ceiling and so on... But other than that, yeah, he was aight :)
Animals are technology doe.. fuck that sucks to hear someone say
@@madsgrnlund8024 So apparently if you live in a forced dictatorship, you like it because you're there. That is the equivalent of what you're saying.
Capitalism IS terrible, but how about you tell me how in America I can get clothes and go to school in a non-capitilistic way? There is NOT one, so we accept having clothes through capitalism is better than you know NOT having clothes. Are you that dense that you don't understand that?
Really liked professor, he was so good person.
I thought so too!
I agree. Very nice guy!
Sunil Sathyanarayan almost as good as your grammar...
he eats meat
Spank MaMonkey
Why does his race matter?
I’m 43, been vegan for 4 years and never looked back. Had the niggling ethical thing stabbing at the back of my mind for far longer than I’ve been vegan until one day I was just like “f*ck it I’m going vegan!” No regrets except for not doing it sooner, love the food- no cravings for animal products- for me if u get the right vegan foods / brands they’re tastier than their animal counterparts in my opinion. Lost weight, feel healthier and most importantly feel morally sound. Thanks Joey! You and Ed Winters are my main inspirations 😊
I supported my Daughter, now alnost 19, with her vegetarianism thru Anorexia with her Hospital insisting all the way through it was a symptom of her Anorexia. There were plenty of plant based optiions to feed her. 5 years later she's now totally healthy & I'm now Vegan. I have never felt better physically, mentally & spiritually. 'Treat others the way you would like to be treated' has always resonated with me, having meditated on it a lot over my 51 yrs. Swaying away from that basic truth of that is the cause of most of our problems & also points to why we shouldn't exploit & kill animals for food.
I love this!
If it is just a symptom of anorexia then she would not need to quit. What is the point of treating harmless symptoms? What you have to treat are causes and any symptoms which are too severe.
Though good to hear that it was not a symptom of a disease. Makes sense. Veganism can easily be very healthy for humans.
roast pork veges apple sauce and red wine lunch tomorrow sunday in perth. so tasty lots of crackle.
thinking of the grass munchers. haha
I wish you could talk to my school.
Tiya Kar it might be scary but you could ask your head teacher if you could do a speach like this. Or if you have some sort of class presentation that everyone has to do you could try and make it about veganism
Omg yesss
s10_85 how exactly does cutting animal products validate anything that you said?
s10_85 awwwww you tender little boy. So offended by others trying to improve the world. You are a toxic person and I feel sorry for you.
Rube I’m planning on doing an animal ethics Ted [style] Talk to my school for my EPQ and I’m so nervous... it will be such an amazing experience though!
I wish Joey Carbstrong would speak to my family and make them see. I’m going on my 3rd year of a vegan lifestyle after being raised with an animal flesh-based diet. This is also the 3rd year I will be celebrating all of the holidays alone because my family doesn’t respect my decision to be vegan. They don’t want me bringing my vegan food to their table. Oh the horror of grains and veggies!! They don’t want to hear my reasons for becoming vegan. They called my plant-based & harm-free lifestyle choice _silly_ and _very bizarre_ - so yeah......
If they are so toxic that they cant eat with you because you eat plants, maybe it's best that you keep your distance from them tbh.
Your family is are normal people but you’re bare wired.
@RustySpoons It makes me really happy reading that you're still in the right path despite your toxic family. I wish you all the best and hope people like your family make the connetion someday! 💕
@Blake King My chronic migraines and my terrible IBS stomach issues WENT AWAY completely since I went vegan. NEVER GOING BACK!!! I feel better than ever 😁 Don't knock it till you try it
you are missing out on a lot of good food.
It’s always hilarious watching vegans argue with people who think they’re saying something original or groundbreaking to us when we’ve heard these excuses a thousand times before. It’s like watching Patrik Baboumian arm wrestle a baby: no contest.
Just a bunch of PRATTs.
It's an automated response. Don't take what people say too seriously. You push a button, they react.
What does PRATT stand for?
There could literally be a flowchart made to walk through any and ever debate about veganism
Vegans have no good points. The whole vegan agenda can be summed up in this one statement..." stop eating animals bro because it hurts my feelings man."
Okay so the girl who was vegan; I had anorexia. And going vegan helped my Ed, as well as other ppl who also struggled with an Ed as well. I have more options now, I had to get creative and learn how to cook differently, but it opened up a whole new world of options I never knew was there. It helped my Ed bc I didn't feel dirty after eating. I stopped counting calories because I knew there were far less than in meat or cheese. It took away a lot of worries and allowed me to get over that struggle and fear of weight gain, and allowed me to still exercise with a clear mind instead of the constant goal of having a negative calorie intake by the end of the day.
I was bulimic for 5 years and veganism saves my life. It helped me become healthier and helped me love more, including myself ♥️
Yes!!!!!! That's what I'm saying!!
Didnt ask
@@rorygilmore3811 Nobody asked you to comment. Piss off.
Rory Gilmore wtf someone is hella maddie
I have a different ED, not as bad, but I’m still very thin. People say I’m a list for pushing veganism and when they find out, they just look for another excuse. People don’t really care about our health, they just want an excuse to kill animals. But I’m glad you’re healthier now.
As someone with an eating disorder, being vegan has been helpful! I was restricting and deep in my ED as a non vegan. Eating disorders are not about food!! So vegan or not you can have an eating disorder. What's needed is help through mental health therapists.
Jan Schlossar well wasn't that one of the most ignorant, unintelligent and~ never thought I'd need to use this word in this century~ chauvinistic thing I've read in a while.
It's official, you're a caveman. Congratulations.
TwoSnakes OneSword exactly!
Frenchblue8 it's official, you're a snowflake. Congratulations.
Andy Owen ok now you're just flirting
Oh, no, really, congratulations to *you* . I'm pretty sure you didn't miss one trending term from 2016.
Well, you flunked the test question, but I'm sure those soft and cuddly bro points are all you really need, am I right?
"How can I stand up for animals if I can't even stand up for my girlfriend?"...... Michael Hebo
It'll all be all right, Andy. I still have hope for you.
I think that the question needed a response that implied that yes small changes are good and accidents happen. We are not all perfect and the world we live in has been designed to make a plant based diet less convenient than an animal inclusive diet. She was referring to vegans that shame people who struggle and make mistakes and needed to hear that people that the movement is empathetic at its core and acceptance is key. Small strides lead to bigger ones.
Amazing! This is exactly what needs to be happening. Props to that lecturer for letting you do that!
LOL at the guy who feels emotive watching the footage but has no problem having a deer bleed out in his arms. Really bro?
The Roar Within, human and apes have been hunting animals for over a million years. It's only since people have grouped into city's that hunting and killing animals is considered wrong by people who aren't in touch with nature.
I am in touch with nature i feel than most humans on this planet, I admire the beauty. Which I feel makes me even more less wanting to slaughter an animal and eat its flesh. I prefer planting vegetables and eating fruits. Take what nature provided for us. Not take what we want at anothers expense. Plus it is healthier for us humans.
Stefan Veganism has a long history dating all the way to acient monks removing animals from their diets due to religion as well as Leonardo Da Vinci known to abstain from animal harm rumored to be vegan by the looks of his writing concerning animals. As well as many other philosophers.
ooohcodes, if you were truly in touch with nature you'd understand there's a food chain and animals die because of it. Also, eating plants isn't healthy for everyone, I'm allergic to grains and legumes.
Stefan It is healthy you just have a allergy easy google some alternative or supplement quit being a whinny SJW and man up. Yes you're appealing to nature i could use to justify any othe immoral acts not a good way to understand morality quite opposite in fact we judge these by well being and consequence.
I had disorded eating as well, and way before veganism. After 4 months of veganism, I decided to start intuitive eating to save my relationship with food. Now, after 6 months of intuitive eating and 10 months of veganism, I can say that I finally feel free and that my relationship with food is fixed.
Veganism actually helped me not to feel guilty because I could remember that even if I ate some cake or chocolate, as long as it was vegan, I was doing a good thing.
It's possible to cure an eating disorder while being vegan, and I'm glad I did.
26:00 "But human employment tho" there is literally no system of tyranny you couldn't justify with recourse to something as dumb as this.
I honestly hate being a meat eater - I plan to do the 22 day challenge at least. You and Earthling Ed have really opened my eyes.
EDIT: Shout out to Melbourne University and this Professor for allowing this - this is how education should be done
Novatur Design please stop you are being brainwashed. You can still be saved. Dont go down the wrong path. Get some meat fast. Remember its smelliness and rich flavour. Veganism is bad for people. Just look at people in this comment section and the amount of hate comming out from them just because they didnt taste good piece of meat in years.
Your tongue has no taste receptors for protein. You don't like the taste of meat, you like the plants and minerals you put on it.
Bullshit
its hard because meat is served everywhere and the world isnt ready to go vegan
Same
it's soooo important to go to schools and universities with this!
Oxxxshy, why annoy people like the bible thumpers do? All that is going to do is prove that veganism is a cult.
Stefan
Go away
Stefan talking about a controversial subject makes you out to be in a cult lol. You got a problem with freedom of speech buddy or are you just triggered crybaby?
Leave the death cult, go vegan
E MCC boy i didnt understand a word you just said
At 13 minutes so far. Those kinda debates when suddenly we're living in the stone ages. *sigh
There should be a debate like this in every school on the planet. It would really help a lot!
Having been an university student, the institution is structured in a way that doesn’t encourage you to critically think outside your ego. You’re taught for years that you cannot succeed from failure, which is the opposite in real life. you’re told how intelligent you are, your ego is stroked and the concept of the real world is skewed because when you leave you realise most of the theory you learned will never be used once you leave student life behind. You did a great job Joey!
You're one smart cookie. Loved your comment, Katie
And failure is all part of great success!
@Ja'Nysha Lazenby Not everyone is affected of course. Think with common sense.
Don’t let school get in the way of your education. That’s the way I think of it. Yes education is important but you learn more in 6 months in the real world than 20 years of education.
Preach
Joey has got some legit vegan balls. Smashed it
legit vegan balls ahahahahaa
JackoWackoVegano He came in like a veggie ball.
I'm dying, LOL
JackoWackoVegano People don't have to have testicles to have courage, or intelligence. Can we keep the genitals out of it.
Feminist alert
I had to stop the video, take a break and then resume. The excuses and silly questions were just a bit over the top. Also cause it's a classroom, many people against one. I would never have held up on my own.
Agreed i had to do the same!
lol
Hats off to Joey
Like you vegan people only think about animals in farming not the animals and forests and humans that die every year so you can drink your soy milk almond milk corn everything, and please don't say dairy or any animal farms require forest to be cut be cause your lieing to your self and others take a drive to the Sierra's National Forest and tell how many trees were cut for those open range cattle to feed can you guess 0% guess how many forest are cut down so you can eat your salad thousands and hay farms take up not even 3% of the farming it's all your veggies you want so badly and eat and if we were to stop animal farming guess what more plantations less rivers more dams and canals that is thousands of species dead pesticides thousands of animals and natural habitats gone think before you speak studying is key knowledge is power
@@necrosisbroseph1793 thank you for sharing your thoughts, and weighing in on the subject.
So lets approach this from a common sense angle.
A 25 lb sack of potatoes:
1) feeds a human for 33 days.
2) feeds a cow for 1 day
You would need lots and lots of fields, and space to grow the food.
We look to poor countries to do that cheap for us. They cut down rainforest.
Meanwhile these cows produce so much urine and dung, we don't know what to do with it.
Germany (for example) has so much cow urine & dung, nitrates seep into the ground water rendering it unsafe to drink.
It's best explained in the documentary 'Cowspiracy'. Please watch it, and let me know what you think 😊👍💚
Most of the chickens people get to raise as backyard egg layers come from feed store hatcheries. I've not once seen male chicks at these feed stores. I wonder why....
How do you think those chickens existed if it weren't for some cockerels? Of course they keep some male chickens. The rest are usually sold to other chicken farms or individuals.
ASMRyouVEGANyet? We get a slew of male roosters for sale or for free on the Facebook local feeds. I guess the previous "owners" would rather buy their carcasses and slaughter their own.
one time I had 5 fertilized eggs hatch into 5 roosters that were very loud but also very delicious and nutritious.
Anthony Mercado, you do realise that chickens will lay eggs whether there is a roster or not. I have had 3 chickens for about 5 years, never been near a rooster and they still lay eggs.
I have, half of my chickens (from a feed store) ended up being roosters
What a great teacher to let this be a part of his class , much respect 💚
I learned in my medical class that they literally are finding new technology to not test on animals. There are other ways to do it, just like there always is.
I have signed up for several human testing experiments. It's always explained very clearly what they expect of you. And you are paid I feel human testing has A negative connotation around it. A lot more people would be willing to have try if this was seen as something that is acceptable. Especially if its instead of an animal being scared and unaware
Andi H right, humans can consent animals cant
@@OliveDeuce yeah that's what I'm saying.?😅
@@OliveDeuce oh fuck off
stephen G take your negative energy somewhere else! Go fucking love yourself!
I found it quite funny when that persn wrongly accused Joey of being classist in relation to the slaughterhouse workers, but then themselves said 'it's better that a poor persn has a job rather than a poor persn being unemployed' - you cannot use that as a justification to continue funding the people who treat these workers so poorly and put them at such risk emotionally and physically - the conditions they work in are some of the worst and as Joey said, are consistent in human rights violations. This persn was in fact classist themselves, and hypocritical at that. That's like saying poor women who are forced into sex work are better off because 'hey at least they have a bit more money, nevermind their mental and physical health :)'
Melbourne Uni KEKW
Brilliant response! 🙏
he’s the same one who said that basing morality on culture isn’t wrong
i’d like him to spend some time in Uganda
he sounds so privileged
It's the same when I try to bring up sweatshops and outsourced slave wage factories. The person will sneer and tell me that it's better than nothing.
Exactly that argument was infuriating @@clarissamarie4605
I did not hear a single argument for why they are not vegan.
Thanas Stefanis V nope. Just shallow, knee-jerk reaction from triggered people
I did, they have the right to not be a vegan
Because meat is delicious and I don't care if an animal I do not care about suffers because of it
I'm on top of the food chain.
shoe laces no other can't eat my pets because they belong to me. Just as I won't randomly go and chop up someone's chicken for food unless their owner was agreeable.
I don't agree with cannibalism because it causes a form of mad cow disease. Also, once again, as they are MY family members I'm not gonna allow random people to eat them.
I don't think other mammals deserve the same consideration as humans. It's okay for us to use them for our own benefit.
Amazing Joey. You really held your own and asked just the right questions to get them thinking. Wish you were still in the UK 😢 much love from the BWP 💕xxxxxxx
Berserker Fate and she is supposed to do....what about that
Berserker Fate no they don’t, they have there reasons but we both know it was very stupid as joey is a good guy
"When vegan food isnt as readily avalible" if u can buy meat u can buy a can of beans. It's that simple. Beans and potatoes and a veg instead of steak and potatoes..
Butternut squash contains every amino acid, carbohydrates, fat (if you eat the seeds), fibre, vitamin C, vitamin A etc That with some mushrooms and a B12 supplement are you're good to go. I've just checked it on cronometer and it's only lacking in vitamins D and B12 everything else is there! It's my new favourite food.😀
Shut up loser and eat a steak
@@adrianlopez2929 never, my guy 🖤
If you can just sit there and eat a can of beans you are a fucking weirdo
@@demetriusford5408 not more weird than eating a plain steak. Who said the beans can’t be made into a tasty meal?
i feel like all these students got triggered by everything except for the extreme animal cruelty
this professor is truly an angel!
Why is everyone looking for an excuse to still consume animal products? Jeez...
UniqKoenie is a debate. if you agree you wouldnt say anything.
It’s not an excuse to say they are delicious.
UniqKoenie, my excuse for eating animals and dairy is because I'm allergic to grains and legumes. The only way I can live and be healthy is to eat animals.
Because not all people want a commie telling them what they can and can't eat. Veganism is a diet for civilized slaves. I like living far from civilization raising, hunting, foraging and growing most of my own food. It's pure freedom being able to produce food and preserve it myself. We can survive a collapse just fine.
Stefan hey i highly doubt that but if that is the case then im sorry to hear you cant live a vegan lifestyle because of your allergies bud, but most people can live vegan. Allergies to plants is pretty rare and if you have extreme health problems like that then no one should trying to get you to change.
It's easy for that kid to say he'd rather have a poor person be employed than not be employed. Slaughterhouses are NEVER in upper class neighborhoods. This is a class issue. College kids don't understand this shit.
Cosmin Costea how disgusting, that you would tell someone to kill themselves. Everyone has a family.
And whats wrong with what hes saying? I grew up poor and I agree with him. Liberals have a morality complex to think that someone is "too good" for a certain type of job. I think you just have to work with what you have to pull yourself up on the ladder. Better to have a bad TEMPORARY job than no job at all.
Okay “ASMRyouVEGANyet” what do you bring to the table? (Other then your extravagant name).
that kid sounds so annoying
Sorry, but feeling love and affection is not a class issue. That is one person you are referring to; so stereotypical.
I applaud the professor... He didn't have to let you speak but first and foremost he's an educator and seen this as an opportunity to educate his students and let them choose them for themselves
Wow, just watched this and wow, just wow. The way you articulate your points demands respect. Absolute legend in the game! Your soon to blow 🙌🏼 subbed and notifications on bro!
All the best
from London
Wow amazing work like always
So many red herrings with irrelevant anecdotal logic. Given the audience never challenged the heart of the argument regarding factory farming they must be in agreement despite their pathetic outlier arguments
Matthew Brosnan
I'm not gonna participate in this debate because most of the time it leads to nowhere. But I'll just give you a little something to think about. The way you vegans see us meat-eaters is the same way fruitarians view vegans. Think about it for a while. A long while.
Timothy Paulino hardly an apt analogy.
Personally i think a raw vegan diet is the healthiest diet for humans but i don't eat that way 100% of the time and don't look at an animal eater the same way as a non animal eater or fruitarian. Not sure how you argue that without giving evidence. Explain to me exactly how fruitarians view vegans..... You are just making another excuse like all the others that find it too hard to go vegan. As long as your not killing animals i think you are doing a good thing for the animals your own health and the environment.
ooohcodes not to be confrontational, honestly just an aside, I disagree with the raw part simply because many already healthy foods become healthier by being cooked. Totally irrelevant to your other main points though.
david bouy
Yeah you're one of those people who disagrees with every analogy on the face of the planet because it doesn't fit your ideology. Hardly mature if you ask me. If you don't believe me go ask a fruitarian. They see vegans and meat-eaters all alike because we eat living, sentient products. What you gonna argue now stupid vegan? You gonna say that plants aren't sentient? I've heard it all before. Delude yourself some more. I know I contribute to animal abuse but at least I don't delude myself like you trying to claim some moral superiority. Keep deluding yourself bro. If it helps you sleep at night keep at the delusional fantasies.
Every damn question comes down to a Fallacy of Relative Privation (aka, "Appeal to Other Problems"), not a single person talked about what was possible and practical for THEM, all they could do was go to what was in their mind, justification for eating animals, and it ALWAYS involved other countries and other people, i.e. RED HERRING, and that last guy near to the end, just Moving the Goalpost over and over. Pathetic. >:(
Poffo Ortiz Word up man after going vegan you see the many argumentative fallacies and appeals.
Poffo Ortiz - I agree completely. Pathetic and disheartening.
Anything that challenges your worldview is hard to accept. It's uncomfortable to think about ethics -- especially when you come to the realization that you're living unethically. Nobody wants to be a hypocrite and people generally don't like change.
Avenger True. still were just pointing out fallacies and inconsistencies it is an argument by the way.
Avenger This was not about just being uncomfortable. They were shown graphic footage yet there was no normal empathetic reaction from those who asked questions. All they cared about was trying to show how much smarter they were than a vegan. Except all they could come up with were the same stupid hypothetical situations heard a million times before. It was obvious that Joey was thinking circles around them.
Just some background info. I was in this class. This is a first year class (freshman ) for a subject called “reason”. Our lecturer encouraged us to challenge everything we heard in an effort to tie in what he’s presenting with our subject. So no, we were not ignorant. no were not “denying”. we were simply challenging and genuinely inquiring into everything we saw and heard as we were encouraged to. Side note: was also the one with the pomeranian 💁🏽♀️
Good context.
So did you turn vegan?
@@tero2444 -.-
@@mmtalii What do you mean "-.-"... You think this was for your skills in debate and not the ACTUAL issue of mass genocide?
@@frog382 it was for both technically. But they still should've gone vegan
If we were “made” to eat animals we wouldn’t cook it. We would eat it raw.
Paleo-vegan? That's an idea. People kind of do that with raw vegan. Remember though that the vegetables and fruit we eat are bred to make them bigger, higher calorie and more palatable. And rice cannot be eaten raw for example so that's not 'natural'. I eat mainly cooked food (vegan).
We can eat beef raw....
say it louder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joshua Maynard that’s what I say.
last time i checked u can eat raw beef and most fish, i mean do u live under a rock and down know what sushi is?
Solipsism, moral relativism, backyard this and that, I "bred" them, one excuse after the next. Wow, this was very frustrating to listen to.
ruclips.net/video/dv3Ypf0DPQM/видео.html
"How Veganism Made Me Hate Humans"
How about addressing the "core" belief? Joey glosses over his epistemological coherentism and how he arrived at the truth that veganism is law. Then he throws animal rights and exploitation into the mix, as if people are just going to agree that veganism is overall healthy. News flash, you don't go from A to C, skipping vegetarianism in-between. This guy doesn't understand social science.
ubu
Vegetarianism is no different than Omnivorism. They both have the same exact cause and effect.There is no "middle ground" for Animal Exploitation.
Jan Schlossar
Agree 100%. You described them perfectly. College or a college degree does not necessarily make one intelligent or smart. It's funny how many think that's the case. Smh. Capitalism is an exploitative system and should have never existed.
ubu
All these people who were supposedly Vegan and are no longer is bunch of bs. I don't believe ANY of them. As far as I'm concerned, they're either trying to get attention or they're paid shills to attack Veganism.
Gary Yourofsky part 2
I don't think gary would've gotten through this
So true
Both of them together ✌
Gary is the godfather!
They used animals in wars too not just humans. I have a Eating disorder and I have been a Vegan since Feb 2017, I am getting a dietician to help with my eating disorder and if they ask me to eat animal products I would find another one that wouldn't. That doesn't stop me being vegan because I put the animals before myself.
I srsly know so many people who went vegan who had a eating disorder before and they managed to fix it through going vegan. I am no doc, but I would even say, that making unethical food choices can subconciously give you such problems. Maybe not for most, but probably for some people.
Eating Disorders are incredibly complicated. From what I gathered from her statement, it sounded like she didn't get the right information to support her vegan lifestyle. In my opinion, she sounds like a finger pointer...and finds the "restrictiveness" of a plant based diet an easy excuse.
Steph Ss Yes I told my counciler what I was eating and said, sounds like you are trying to eat healthy so I can understand why she probley thinks that way and eating vegan is like a clean way to eat for people with E.D, I went the other way being vegan and I binged and still do, The problem is when a person with a E.D hears you can get really thin on a Plant based diet they think that is great and they don't feel guilty. They don't stick to it because they haven't connect to the ethical side. I have a E.D and getting help but I think of the animals all the time not just in food products.
LunnarisLP I eat 100% Vegan, no animal products. I think what people forget is just because your Vegan doesn't mean that things in your personal life go away. Most vegans are out of Abusive situations I am not, causing me to binge.
chinom the majority of crops are grown to feed and fatten the 74 billion land animals killed every year in the Animal agriculture industry so a vegan lifestyle is by far and away the most compassionate choice - and not only for animals but humans too as in a vegan world we’d be able to feed a population of 12 billion and eradicate world hunger!
" I don't think you're hearing us." I hear you loud and clear: you're looking for a way to make yourself feel better for subsidizing the unnecessary slaughter of innocent animals.
I don't feel bad about it. Meat is a requirement for humans. The absolute truth of the matter is no superfood is better for us than fish and liver.
@@soulhunter59 The American association of nutrition and dietetics has published a peer reviewed statement saying and proving that a vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate for all stages of life...
www.eatrightpro.org/-/media/eatrightpro-files/practice/position-and-practice-papers/position-papers/vegetarian-diet.pdf
So... I'm pretty sure they and the thousands of scientists working on publishing the research they referenced know more than you on the topic of nutrition. And if you take a look at the adventist study the longest living diet group and the group with the lowest prevalence ofchronic disease and the lowest all cause mortality is the vegan one... And by eating liver as you say you risk vitamin A toxicity which causes liver damage. And both fish and liver are loaded with cholesterol which nis a risk factor for atherosclerosis.
@@Andrea-eq3ou To much anything can kill you but even in acient stories
@@Andrea-eq3ou Too much anything can kill you, but liver is very good for you. Native Americans have stories of gods rewarding humans for eating the liver. The hero would make an offering of meat to the gods while he would eat the bad tasting liver. Fish is good for joint health, and literally, every human civilization would eat fish. Much like anything, not all fish is created equal. Though there is a reason why you can buy fish oil in the vitamin section, it reduces swelling in the knees, and doctors will recommend it.
I did scan over the article, but I did not see any statistics on sugar consumption, access to health care, and overall economic status. All of these play a factor and can alter the statistics of this study. If you are a vegan, there is a good chance you are wealthy. If you do not have access to meat, chances are you're eating beans, beans, and more beans. You may have access to corn, rice, potatoes, and other greens. Most vegan delicacies don't grow well here in the United States and require refrigeration and long-distance transportation. It's also more expensive, and you need to be eating all day every day.
I was vegan for five long years, and I remember being always hungry with little energy. Workouts were harder, and I felt sluggish all the time. I also found out that my sugar consumption was significantly higher. Without fat or meat, you sacrifice taste, and you end up adding sugar to everything. I never got back into my regular workout again, and I was addicted to sugar, so I gained an easy 20 lbs. I went back to eating meat and didn't quit sugar, so I gained another 30 pounds. Easily the worst this that could have happened to me was being vegan between the age of 20 and 25. Either way, it didn't stop heart disease, so I thought fuck it.
@@soulhunter59 your own personal anectode is irrelevant without any other evidence that meat is neessary for our health. The fact that you didn't appropriately plan your diet is no proof of anything. I could get a person who eats a shitty diet in any dietary group and make any claim I want. A;so. the vegan diet is definitely not more expensive nor for the priviliged. I am a student on a budget and I manage to meet my nutritional needs with 20 euros a week. So what are you talking about, have you ever done your own groceries? The poorest people on the planet are plant based. And what people did years ago is irrelevant to our modern society. As I said no other diet group had a lower all cause mortality than the vegan group, so unless you have any evidence that vegans as a population have higher rates of deficiency or bad health outcomes your claims have no ground. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-015-1079-7
A recent study has show that vegans do not have higher prevalence of deficiencies compared to other groups. Vitamin A was definately not one of the deficiencies that was specific to the vegan group.
The iron in your meat is also heme iron which is a pro oxidant in the body and raises your relative risk for cancer... And that's why vegans had a lower prevalence of cancer, epecially breast and prostate cancer.
Meat is by no means necessary for human health and you making such claims is just plain wrong and dangerous.
At one time human slavery was "an important part of our culture"
comparing eating meat and dairy to fucking slavery? it's mental illness innit.
@Koa -_- you can’t compare the 2
@@NoNam3_xLeaderX why can’t you? Because humans are more important? Or....
@@xx-xy1rf exactly what vintage said. Who cares what anyone eats is the point I’m making
@@NoNam3_xLeaderXbut that not the point people just don’t think about what they are actually eating they just say it’s food and eat it
You're an absolute legend mate, thank you for all you do.
You did the best you could. It must have been awkward to be there with time restrictions and the well meaning teacher kind of interrupting, not that I'm knocking the teacher as he allowed this debate in the first place. It saddens me to see young people already so brain-washed and indoctrinated. I feel that you definitely planted vegan seeds Joey.
It’s called ignorance. Myself included.
Harsh reality but that’s life. Nothing brainwashed about that.
Go Joey!!! The amount of work u do for animals without expecting anything in return for yourself beyond godly!!! Thank you Joey!
What a wonderful teacher to allow Joey to inform the students of what is going on in this world. Wish Joey could go around to every school and help the students understand that animal abuse is wrong.
Way to educate, Joey. Wonderful as always!
Maaaaaaaaaan, I feel for you brother. I’ve realised most people still have ego and it’s like talking to a brick wall. Children would have just been like “oh yeah, let’s stop eating animals”. A good friend told me that she used to engage in activism but she realised that building the future with others will leave the old behind. Look at what the nerds have done with technology. So yeah, maybe the energy you’re using to trying to awaken ego trapped beings could be used more effectively just building the future with those that resonate with you (me included!). Love ya man x
Very proud someone is out there doing this work!people need to be more aware
Such a wonderful discussion!
Loved your thoughtful responses, Joey! :)
I’ve been vegan for 3 years and last year I got my blood results and I wasn’t lacking anything, I was extremely healthy. They said I was the healthiest patient they’ve seen in a long time☺️
Dude, you are my inspiration. I have never been in awe of someone's patience, quick thinking, focus, and charisma before.
The majority of people even at a university still sound unreasonably triggered by this topic!
"I don't think you're quite listening to what we're saying" ..... 🙄
I know that was so obnoxious and cringy. It's as if she thinks we've never heard the humane slaughter argument before.
Yeah, it sounded like she was talking down on Joey and being defensive as soon as she opened her mouth. The type of person you can‘t have any constructive discussion with at all.
UGG, she was sooo annoying
Im almost vegan and i agree with her... sometimes a guy was asking something and he woukd just answer another thing
Poor Joey having to deal with all that closed minded people, and not only in this video. MY FORCE, WILL AND RESPECT GOES WITH YOU.
We need more open minded teachers like this guy !
So refreshing to hear ethics by university professor. Never took a class myself, which now I wish I had, so nice to see a snip. Great job Joey on getting yourself out there!
"Ethics". And who decides whats ethical and whats not? You have no criterion to say something is unethical. Just a bunch of philosophical drivel that leads to argumentation.
@@abusumayah9540 correct
I'm here cuz l want to know more but not a vegan.
The majority* of vegans have started out that way. So keep it up.
If you are interested in the health aspects and like a really study based logical approach, try Mic the Vegan.
# wahmen respector
That is wonderful! howdoigovegan.com is a really great source for the ethics and has many, many fantastic recipes! Please check it out! Two great documentaries concerning health and the environment are "What The Health", which is on Netflix and "Cowspiracy", which if I'm not mistaken is on YT. I wish you the best! :)
Watch What the Health and Cowspiracy on Netflix, they’re both really good. Also, don’t miss Best Speech You Will Ever Hear by Gary Yourofsky on RUclips.
Thank you for caring and doing more research!
Props. That’s how I was. I loved to watch joeys videos because I fully supported veganism but hadn’t made the final step myself. Eventually it became more appealing to ditch animal products than to keep supporting them. I’m on month two right now, so much easier than I would have expected. Only thing is I want to learn more dinner recipes.
wow its cool to see people being so open about this, youre doing great work
It's so nice to hear such clear answers to these common questions, been vegan for a year and a half now I often don't have a great response to everyone's questions. Thanks!!! For me veganism was the best thing for my eating disorder, it feels almost completely gone now!
That employment argument was absolutely ridiculous and infuriating
Frist like and view! I gave a speech on veganism a year ago to my class, in year 10. Awesome video
Don't forget to show loads of activity on videos you support, like and comment, so the video gets picked up by the algorithm quicker! :D
"Are you suggesting that humans aren't natural carnivores?" Lol I try to be polite and understanding because I've been a meat eater before but no one suggests we are natural carnivores we are omnivores by majority. So many people confuse carnivores with omnivores and it is such a basic concept. Also it annoys me how some questions are posed with such arrogance and assurance when they are so flawed.
That last sentence... so true
I’m so fucking done with hearing “natural carnivore/omnivore”. Of course we used to eat meat, but we DO NOT NEED TO and SHOULD NOT anymore now that we’re not god damn Neanderthals
Jeffrey Finnecy Do we not need to? That is very subjective.
Subjective!? The damn WHO states that a properly planned fully plant-based diet is healthy for any stage in life. You can't be serious
Jeffrey Finnecy We can say the same thing about a vegan diet, we don't need it to be healthy. We can eat meat and be healthy.
The argument I use to anyone trying to debate me on veganism is “you can literally never tell me any excuse that will justify the torture that billions of animals are undergoing”
True.
But if you think debating is going to change the fact “the torture billions of animals are undergoing” then you have a screw loose my friend.
@@tp_mcvey9879 I don’t. I never start debates with anyone. But people like to debate me lol, only family members tho because they are annoying, when I’m just trying to do my thing, and not associate with factory farmed meat/ products 👍. And I don’t defend veganism necessarily, mostly just for there to not be constant access to meat. And I’m fine with others eating meat, I did it for 19 years! Everyone has to choose to stop on their own. But even telling people why I don’t eat meat when they ask, is a productive way to give them insight, rather then saying what they’re doing is wrong. I have weaned my boyfriend to stop buying meat tho, not by making him, but he likes veggie burgers and only buys those now (cause I can eat too) and barely buys meat
@@tp_mcvey9879 and like honestly shut up with “you have a screw loose my friend”. Never said that debating was going to end factory farming
@@samanthaj4800 dry your eyes would ye
@@tp_mcvey9879 ohhhh iys happening.... the revolution is at its infancy stages but this is how it all starts
33:54 lol at joey's reaction to her having a tiny pomeranian.
😍
Although I mainly focus on doing photography and videography for my activism for now, I would also want to make a speech someday just like you do, and these speeches are really helpful! Thank you for what you do Joey!
Good on you Joey, you smashed it mate, in front of a lecture hall full of uni students, must be nerve wracking, nice one mate. Keep fighting the good fight.
its so frustrating to hear the same things over and over again because people aren't listening to learn and understand, they're listening to argue and respond. Another amazing video tho!! Go vegan, spread the loveee
Ana Seifert how do u know the vegans weren’t listening after watching this I would love a burger a beef burger you guys know from a cow
@@soundlessolive9184
I would also love a burger even tho im a vegan fan and i am aware that there is no argument against veganism. I am just really selfish unfortunately :(
People like that are not there bestest self
@@NanocDark99 are you vegan now?
@@pascalschmierer3035
Unfortunately no. Just threw some dead animlas on my pizza right now... :(
Kuddo 👏👏Joey, you did amazingly. Some of the questions were a bit tricky...and you didn’t get intimidate at all!
This person is inspiring and I learned a lot from him. Keep at it! :)
Keep on changing the world, Joey :) Your activism deserves admiration 👍
Dominique sasuke is not vegan. Get him off your profile pic
Filip Slatkovský, ooh... I like this picture, but I'll think about it. Fortunately Sasuke doesn't even exist)
Really annoys me when people use eating disorders as an excuse for not going vegan- a lot of people have suffered from eating disorders, myself included in the past, and I think it's wrong to say that the so-called "restriction" of a vegan diet is triggering for people with an eating disorder. Even after I got over the E.D I didn't have a love for food, but since being vegan I've felt a peace with it, and it's opened up a huge variety of foods that I would never have tried/thought I'd like. It's incredible how helpful being a vegan can be; healthy body, healthy mind.
I liked the lecturer/professor though.
reallifevixen I think eating disorders can use it as a sneaky excuse to restrict, but that reflects upon their eating disorder rather than veganism itself
I eat more variety of food now being vegan than I did before.
If you had made the decision to become vegan and kept it up for as long as you did, but one day some aspect of the meat and dairy and egg industrys' campaign somehow became a powerful stimulus for you to choose to act in a way that conflicts with your values, do you see how veganism isn't the cause. In fact, do you also see that an increased presence of veganism will make it easier for you to avoid such stimulai and to live into your values? Do you see that, rather than allowing shame or embarrassment stop you, positively acting on the guilt and renewing your commitment to be vegan will contribute to the demand (and stop the demand for animal abuse) and help purpetuate change as well as offering solidarity to others who wish to avoid the unhelpful stimulai too.
Divine timing. What synchronicity for this class who were speaking on the subject of animals so very recently!
11:48 okay i have two answers for anyone who still thinks humans are natural carnivores or have an instinct to kill:
1. Primates were mostly herbivores, with some insects that they occasionally ate for lack of plant sources having certain minerals available in lesser numbers. And primates are our ancestors. Homo habilus, homo erectus, neanderthals(complete vegans) were all only plant eating. Until ice age which also only effected the temperate regions and beyond to shift to meat.
1.1 a small extra fact: human digestive system is least effcient with digesting meat. In fact its a very well known fact that our metabolism and alimentary canal are least active and slow down body processes for breaking down food essentially not meant for them.
2. Every animals naturally designed to kill has tools in yheir body which help them digest their non vegetarian diet:
Like • claws (with curves)
• canine teeth specifically designed and arranged for attack on prey etc.
And human have canines that herbivores share for biting into plant. They dont resemble carnivores arrangements rather are more blunt and just an extra tool developed to penetrate fruit and vegetables, sometimes stems.
And considering the counter arguement for 2 that: well, humans have intellect/brain that functions to come up with solutions for making meat possible to eat by inventing the first ever artifical tools, aka non bodily tools, againa the question boils down to: if it is not for survival, would an early man, or per se even a modern man killing something because he likes the taste, custom or sense of intellectual superiority justify his actions towards an animal with feelings experiences and sometimes better cognition than himself?
22:00 great response
28:04 also a little response:
"Because they only had rice and cabbage and meat"
Well, a meat producing factory farm takes up about 18 times as much land as a plant based farm does. Because we feed the live stock and then kill it, have another gen ready to be fed woth more land/ if its factory then the fodder comes from a different location still using up about 18 times the land that we actually need.
67% of the world agricultural land is used to feed livestock
21.8% is used for protein sources like legumes, green veggies and stuff.
So you're actually using less land, contributing to smaller carbon foot print, producing more food than ever, and vertical fsrming can even bring in all the 20,000+ edible plant species for cultivation. Its about realisation of facts and how far as a consumer you are willing to say no to meat, and increase the highly efficient plant based farming industry.
Your response to all questions were RIGHT ON Joey , you are awesome ! we are all grateful for your fantastic work
for the animals , for this world to be more compassionate and aware . Love you !!!
Love these interactions 💚
You should try doing more of these! Younger generations are way more open towards veganism I think. Great job!
You could've asked them the how do you humanely kill someone who doesn't want to die? Question since they wanted to push the welfare argument.
Agreed, that would have shut them down. And if they went down the humans are superior road then name the trait would shut that down as well.
Beep Boop what does kill humanely mean? How do you humanely kill plants? Sorry it just doesnt make sanse you vegans are so funny people. I mean its hilarious how stupid you are. All of you. We kill animals for meat. Thats it. I dont care if they have to suffer for my pleasure. Thats what the God made them for.
@@filipslatkovsky1657 plants don't have a subjective living experience, they don't feel pain/have a will to live unlike animals. You shouldn't label people stupid if you believe in fictions like God lol.
@@RV-vx9ek lol my bad, i forgot i was talking to uneducated potatoes
@@filipslatkovsky1657 nope, it's all documented information you can easily find on the net. Your lack of education would explain your indoctrination though. Like I said call vegans or whoever dumb all you like, but doing so from a position such as yours is very hypocritical.
I’ve cut milk out of my diet and will continue to make small steps, nobody has to go vegan over night.
The important thing is that you are doing it for the right reasons. Respect.
Yeah cut out the processed milk and drink raw milk instead.
Stoned Ape I go vegan at my sleep, and I wake up to becoming a meat eater
I went vegan overnight and I never felt it to be challenging. You need discipline in order to make anything happen in your life
The real 'key' to going vegan is to connect the suffering of the animal to the burger that you are eating. After that its just logistics.
Ah....fresh air. Finally, they aren't stuck in their ways and are open minded, unfortunately I can't say the same to specific people.
Joey, you are a very intelligent man, have you ever considered further education to support your activism? Been watching you for years now, so wonderful to watch how you have evolved.
What education do you think Joey needs Jessica?
I swear I keep getting baffled by your work Joey. You really know how to respond to any angle. Although sometimes you may not quite hear some questions for what they are and may jump on your responses, I can't necessarily blame you while under these circumstances. I personally canNOT imagine getting up in front of several students and putting myself "in the line of fire"! So all-in-all amazing job!! ✌🏼
If your baffled by his weak arguments then you really need to learn basic nutrition.
Google it.
This is great work Joey and I'm glad the teacher gave you a fair chance. I still can't believe people insist on finding excuses to argue in favour of meat consumption and animal cruelty.. there is simply NO EXCUSE. Keep soldiering on Joey.
To the gentlemen talking about slaughter house workers. I’m 100% sure he’s never been in one. NO ONE should ever be inside these places, the psychological toll this puts on someone you can’t comprehend. The act of killing is both an human and non human rights abuse.
Great job Joey! I was rather surprised at the lack of any real arguments from the students. But then again, there ARE NO real arguments!
PoweredbyPlants I like meat. I’m gonna eat it no matter what you say, I don’t need an argument for my personal preferences.
There are several arguments actually. For both sides.
I think the only two valid arguments are 1. "I don't care about animals/my dog is worth more than a pig" (which goes hand in hand with "some humans are worth more than others") and 2. "I don't want to take B12 supplements/B12-supplemented food". Anything else can be easily argued against.
The only real argument against veganism is "You just don't give a shit about what happens to them".
@@dodobellino4500 Sorry, but you do if it DIRECTLY causes suffering to another being . It's the least we can do as humans
You have to get that teacher vegan and on outreach!
He doesn’t HAVE to do anything? Stop forcing veganism on people..
@Astral Projection
stop forcing slavery on animals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@astralprojection3682 Stop forcing animal cruelty. Stop contributing to climate change. We are deserve life.
180 some things have to die, it’s called the circle of life. All lives have to suffer
@@giantshitposter3317 your "suffering" is nothing compared to the animals suffering dont compare
Wow. Stunning debate. Well done. Must have been just a little challenging with older youth? Stunning work Joey. Well done Laura as well. 👌🙌🌿✌️.
Very well handled bro..calm, composed, confident, fluent..I found it very pleasing to see this side of you..you are very well suited to this type of environment 👏👏👍
I enjoyed this Q and A very much. Thank you for posting it. I learned a lot of angles to this issue. You did a great job representing your values.
well done joey. I wonder if conversations continued after the filming?
Catherine Hollis yes they did. I will upload a couple soon
so respect and support what you do
Wow! Your patience, Joey! I couldn't actually watch the full video because some of the arguments just made my brain tired. You were brilliant. 👍
Good for you spreading the message and love!
Being vegan is easy af. The best thing we can do is to continue to educate.
it being a tradition is not an excuse or justification for the slaughtering and suffering of other beings !