Lamb Farmer & Vegan CLASH in HEATED Debate
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A sheep farming gym goer sits down with vegan activist to defend meat eating.
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That buff up green dude is ignorant AF!!!
Joey Carbstrong J there is an guy in India that’s smokes bullfeces. and rotten food. And He has not showered also for 60 years. His ammu Haji.
www.huffpost.com/entry/amou-haji-iran-hasnt-bathed-60-years_n_4602936?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLm5sLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHEadQghbwbO3vubndeBUhPmjYHg0uptx0kD42kEBNqWGnl3UAq2-hE9glGRM2ILb2i8P0kUMD2s40RKDlsb460M6UxDmISpbzp9xzII12rmHYOBAsm0ykGeqLgpycxeP-n2MAvIsrPr3fLMghrc9MppaMf7w3n9fBPM04UDPQMS
@@sebyknows5306 ...in all fairness I honestly don't know how I would have answered if someone had confronted me at the time I was still eating meat. we are all victims of culture and tradition and its a human tendency to protect world views no matter how irrational. bottom line is skepticism and objective critical thinking and shedding biases is a learned behavior we all need to be taught. this is why activism is a most important effort.
So many people think they’re descendants of lions.
yet they dont seem to catch their prey :-D
You should see my massive canines that are built for eating meat 😄🌱✌🏻
@@TheFabFoo 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😅...
And so many think they're descendants of horses because we can chew side to side XD
No but we know (from the archeological record) that we are descendants of beings who evolved on meat.
add *"caloric density tho"* to the list y'all
Do not forget "birds kill others with a stick tho"
@hauha and tomatoez don forget tomaytoez
“What do animals eat?” “Caloric density tho...” 🤣
But meat is delicious tho
You guys are wasting you life, eat meat, after, you'll never experience meat ever again in this life. Just imagine this, you'll grow old without ever trying wagyu beef.
When you accept that nothing matters the world is yours.
@@sinbin9262 that argument is actualy legit,we are apex predatora becouse of our brain,our brain is our weapon,we create spears and hunt animals
“Birds kill animals with sticks tho.”
And that's not even true. Some birds can use sticks as a tool, but they don't use sticks as a weapon.
Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ of course it’s not true. Any fallacy animal abusers spew lacks any facts or logic.
@@aciditywormhole9898 yup. All are full of crap.
"animals are using techology too" tho. I can't believe you've never seen a Goat riding a ferrari. Well, i did. In my city it happens all the time. @acidityWormhole
wow that is a new one :D
You’d be surprised how many people think a cow eats grass to make milk, not that they have to be pregnant.
Sadly, I did! City born & thought milk came from supermarkets until I was 16, left my parents & started catering for myself...🤮😪🌍🤬🔥🙏❤️🌱✌🏽
The Green Swan don’t feel bad, because once you found out you changed. We were all fed some bullshit lie about meat and dairy.
It has taken me awhile to forgive myself for being vegetarian for so many years before I became vegan.
@@thebionicwoman1762 WOW you left them too! Maybe they decided not to be vegan and not to give you a 100% WFPBD. I can see about getting your own food, but you left. wow
Oh and the way they are impregnated via rape. Milk = rape kidnapping torture murder
I’m embarrassed to admit it took me way too long to make the connection that cows are pregnant
It’s sad how many people lack empathy in the world, the simple act of putting yourself in another’s shoes.
ure getting better and better at this Joey. You spotted each red herring he tried to snug in and kept him to his argument and you look so confident in these discussions.
Yes, i agree...he is getting better. Very confident. Very sharp, on point and quick in perfect response.
yup, I can see he gets better and better with every debate
Joey is the best
And I spotted the obvious false equivalence that Joey and all vegans make among other things
is dis comparing livestock to humans is a false equivalence because they cannot think like us etc. So to try to put a human perspective on say, a cow, is a false equivalence. The worse example I’ve seen vegans make is the ‘rape’ argument. Animals don’t have the same views about mating as people do about sex. If you AI a cow, it won’t affect them in the same way as if you violate a child because the child will grow up and realize what was done to them and will suffer serious psychological trauma.
I'm really struggling to get calories and protein with my soya chunks (52.5g protein and 350kcal per 100g), my legumes (26g protein and 350kcal per 100g), and nuts and seeds (20-30g protein and 600+kcal per 100g). I wish I could eat meat (20g protein and 90-200kcal per 100g). Oh wait...
A human being only need 0.8 to 1g of protein per kg of body mass in order to maintain muscle mass. I very much doubt that you didn’t manage to get enough protein from a vegan diet. Many top athletes are vegan and they need much bigger amount of protein and get it from a plant based diet.
edit : I didn’t notice the sarcasm on the first read.
James Parker My bad 😂
@@MADDGAMMER
Legume protein content is expressed dry... just clarifying.
@@armandoes Everything is expressed before cooking. You better eat all the mass you measured before cooking!
This guy thinks a lion wouldn't eat a dog? Would he put this bold claim to the test?
And a lion wouldn’t eat him either, because he’s top of the food chain 😉
"You get 70% of you calories from meat?"
"Yeah"
"I feel sorry for your bowels"
😂
I eat 80 to 90 percent meat eggs bacon butter. It keeps you full and much better energy. I've also list 40 pounds in 4.5 months because I'm getting whole real nutrition. Excellant youtube channels are Shawn baker and Kelly hogan
@@helpmeretiresoon5972 "whole real nutrition" is achievable with vegan wholefoods.
@@helpmeretiresoon5972You're gonna get whole real heart disease with all of that saturated fat.
Did this man try to appeal to solipsism right at the start? Come on man, that's level zero shit right there.
What is solipsism?
@@dobby3392 It's an argument that you can't prove anything outside of your own mind.
Solipsism THO
yep, i was cringing hard :D
Wujeeta I also did hear appeal to tradition. And. Appeal to social contract.
Lol @ “Are you really trying to use ‘The Lion King’ as a valid source?” 😂
aside from being really informative and eye opening for non-vegans i think those vids contain a considerable amount of comedy 😂
Benedikt K. Absolutely! 😂 I’m not so keen on 100% info-packed videos (harder to maintain attention and not get bored). That’s why I love Joey.
Vegans are the most hysterical, dramatic, offended and angry people we will find. They get more irritated when someone leaves the vegan cult and they automproclaimed themselves "morals authorities" 😂😂😂
@@businesspamm3170 this is a really broad statement. I'm vegan and neither hysterical nor dramatic ( anger is mostly not seen from the outside 😂 ). I think many people just think vegans are being dramatic and over the top because they actually don't realize how brutal and serious the effects of producing non-vegan food can be to animals.
@@benediktk.8228 of course vegans are hysterical, dramatic, offended and angry people. Just by watching Joey or any other activists is easy to notice 😂😂😂
Humane killing is such a joke. I've been saying less terrible does not equal good.
@Meshari The true humane choice is to not support any form of slaughter. It's not like most of us actually need any animal products in our diets.
@@timboot1343 Don't have to kill an animal.
Meshari Us not needing flesh for our diet is not a perspective but a biological *fact*.
Thus, consumption of animals is unnecessary killing. Unnecessary killing is cruelty.
@@timboot1343 1) False hypo because I wouldn't do either; but 2) if I "had" to euthanize an animal I definitely wouldn't burn it, especially on a barbeque!!
@@timboot1343 I reject its premise. False hypotheticals do not warrant an answer. I'm sorry that is difficult for you to understand.
Even though this meathead was intellectually slaughtered, he stayed calm, wasn't rude, listened through the arguments posed .... he didn't appear to be an asshole in general, and I think this argument he engaged in will probably haunt him. I actually applaud him for sitting through such an intense moral debate when he clearly didn't have his own sound argument. And it provided us with an awesome empowering video!
I wish he would have been a little bit more honest though. If he had instead asked questions instead of making unsupported claims it would have been way less painful.
*Facts And Logic Destroy Lamb Farmer Nonsense Every Time*
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@Sugar Pie Aww....you feel better getting that comment off your chest? 💀🤣
*FALDLFNET*
@Sugar Pie LOL
@Sugar Pie Dumbasses make attempts at normalizing murdering the innocent. Losers sure love to get brain-raped by addiction's dick 🤷🏼♂
Moral relativism is the basis of nearly every attrocity ever.
This quote sounds relevant
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
Thats great guys but joey did so poorly here it hurts
@@suchalad Yeah it wasn't the best debate from him.
@@suchalad Uh... Yea, that's just a lie. Joey did fantastic against these piss poor basic excuses that he has heard a million times already.
@@bgtubber Joey was too busy trying to advertise veganism by saying vegans dont eat more food (yes we fucking do)
He also doesnt know the basic fact that 80 % of farmland is used to produce 20 % of human calories (animal ag). Which would have wrapped up the feeding 7 billion argument in 5 seconds instead of 5 minutes.
Joey is too agressive and unknowledgable and earthling ed is knowledgable but not agressive enough
Sorry for bad spelling
Nothing humane happens in a slaughterhouse it is all torture and cruelty
Ha
So, I’ll still eat meat cud it’s delicious
@@TM-zq9hy would you eat a dog? If not then you are a hypocrite. Bald eagle? Dolphin? Killing is killing. But yeah...duh...tades gud.
Vegan M I’ve eaten dolphin and dogs, tastes good too. Not as much as chicken, ohh yeah that tastes good. Who cares if it was “murdered”, we are on the top of the food chain. I will admit there is a big problem with non-organic farming. It’s not a problem because the cows might get upset when they see there mate die, the real problem with farming is how bad it is for the environment. You vegans need to focus on that and not the “killing” of animals.
@@TM-zq9hy love the way vegans go by videos of what people like Joey want them to see proper gobshites
These type of people make me lose hope for life
They really are closed minded individuals
When he sleeps on it, then it'll most likely hit him hard. You could see by his face and body language that he grasped it fine. Constant deflections and clinging on to the stupidest shit possible, in the end, compassion wins. Well done to you Joey, 40 minutes of debate. Bonkers, but worth it, no doubt about that.
The only reason he wins is because he isn't arguing against people prepared to debate. He usually debates random, unprepared strangers off the street . He picks easy opponents which is what cowards do.
Pink Panther What’s the best justification for non-Veganism?
@@user-th6xg5of4x that guy chose to sit down and argue with Joey, he wasn't chosen by Joey
@@futurerush2560 veganism is one state of mind, out of many states of minds, but not an absolute necessity. What we want to eat is our choice and how we gain nutrition for our body is our choice. Veganism attempts to remove that very choice. It voices that we should stop killing, breeding, rearing, animals and using animals for our gain. But that there is also our choice. We have the right to choose what we want to eat and not eat, and we violate other human beings rights when we attempt to stop them from eating what they want to eat. Veganism can keep a person alive and healthy, and non-veganism can also do that. It is the choice of a person to decide by themselves how they wanna stay alive on which diet, vegan diet only or non-vegan diet, or vegetarians or whatever.
@@abcdefgh-tb1yz out of so many people who could have been in this video and who probably argued with Joey that day, why do u really think Joey used this guy in his video? Why is it that in videos of Joey vs Carnists, Joey always posts a video where he wins every argument and he also post very triggered carnists? Just for views ? No I don't think so. I think he carefully selects people and set of answers he wants to show to make it easier for him to make a non-vegan diet look like its absurd. Why doesn't he argue against scientists in his podcast, why not against philosophers and professors and doctors? Because its hard to win arguments against such educated thinkers who are prepared with facts and data.. Its like arguing about the existence of UFOs with random people in the street but never arguing with , say Steven Hawkings, or Elon Musk.
Another human being justifying there horrific choices.
Oh my gosh more vegan drama coming soon lol
I won’t be made to feel guilty about eating meat fuck you joey 😂🖕🏻
Dogs eat me you have no logic
Orcas toss seals around & violently play with them before they eat them I highly recommend that joey & his little vegans should get their wetsuits on & tell them off 😂😂
"Another human being justifying there horrific choices.
"
You mean Joey choosing to defend an absolutely incompetent position?
This guy does not wanna admit he's wrong 🤦♀️
I feel the problem is his ignorance, saying crap like "oh.. the world will starve if we don't keep livestock" (when it's the opposite) . If he believes that's true, then it isn't hard to see why he came to his conclusion (although morally, it's still messed-up).
He's not wrong tho
Definition check:
Need to eat a cow, pig, chiken etc is when you just want to
Need to eat a dog is when you are in the woods starving to death.
Also if you dont think of yourself as an abuser you are not. Thats convinient I guess.
Damn you‘ve put it so simple
@@BL-bg1fj "normal human diet" doesn't mean "'need"
@@BL-bg1fj I guess definitions isnt your strong suit.
Meat is less expensive than a healthy diet? Freudian slip?
haha
Meat eaters live the longest
@@GarudaLegends prove it
@@GarudaLegends they dont, oxford states that vegans live average 7 years longer
@@bugatea34 lies. The longest live ppl were not vegans. More vegan fake news
I need Joey's patient fr I've only tried debating veganism once with a friend and I almost cried😭😭 15 minutes in and i feel like crying with this video🙄🙄
Good.
When I saw how meat was produced from that day forward I could not consume animal foot without realizing how morally disgusting I was. Eventually within a short period Of time, I did everything I could to learn how to eat right. And yes that was difficult but I did get it done. And now I'm a moral vegan. And I do the best I can to eat whole food plant-based diet
Keep doing what your doing joey, this sort of activism is vital to all, even if its not what they want to hear 👍
I smoked x2 wild deer over in the weekend. Clean kill and never felt a thing. Mmmm meat. Tastes good. No inslave, No cruelty, No pain.
It's hard to admit and come to terms with one's own responsibility and contribution to the abuse and suffering that happens to animals that are farmed for food. Taking responsibility and changing lifestyle choices can take much courage in such a sick society. There are so many excuses and reasons to remain ignorant or not to care, and so many people don't make the connection.
This wins the award for 'most face-palms per minute' for any video I've seen recently.
"we can't eat grass" fuck he got you there
Who knew???
Joey crushing it as usual. Great discussion!
Crushing? 😂😂😂 ok boomer
The guy is describing moral relativism. This is a satanic tenet.
"So what forest are you in right now?" 😂👏🔥 Great stuff, Joey!
Animal Rights Activism and Vegan for the Animals is the absolute ROOT and FOUNDATION of this whole movement and it is what is really driving Veganism forward! Going plant-based for health or environmental reasons doesn't even come close to that! Speaking up the Truth against injustice is the most powerful tool hands down! Thank you Joey!#veganfortheanimals #animalliberation #animalrights
Omg this was SO frustrating. He just wasn’t internalizing the facts and his cognitive dissonance was exposed. Thank you for all you do, Joey! 🙏🏼💞
I’m fully ashamed of my meat eating ass! I’ve shown my teens this and they’re as mortified as me! Change! Starting today.. keep up the great work.. we are so detached from the animal we see to how it becomes the meat on our plates and it’s only once you see the process of how that meat came through be on that shelf that the reality hits home..
Growing up on a farm, ringing lambs tails and testicles wasn't so much about infection as profit. The tail holds a lot of fat, which is wasted weight when it comes to slaughter time, they had to be checked regularly until it healed in case of infection, it's about maximising profit, best interest of the farmer, not the animal.
“If you give me another choice right now..” Joey: “I WILL 🌱👈” 😂🙌 this actually hurts my brain, the lengths people will go to omg
But lions though... *rolleyes* - Thank you for what you do Joey
Joey the only answer to moral question:
Morals arise from the avoidance of suffering of sentient beings. Morals are NOT subjective and do NOT change with time.
Explanation: we morally think murder is wrong because there is a victim. We morally think rape is wrong because there is a victim.
A plane crash survivor is morally wrong to kill another person to survive but is JUSTIFIED to do so, otherwise they would not survive.
Slavery you was/is wrong because there is a victim
I'm short ALL morals arise by asking the question, is there a conscious, sentient victim?, if yes, it is morally wrong, no matter what period or circumstance you find yourself in in the past or present the act is wrong if the victim suffers. End of story
I agree with everything, but I’m struggling to understand your example: How is it morally justifiable for a plane crash survivor to kill another plane crash survivor?
Like, how can it be morally wrong, but morally justifiable at the same time?
Nettle Yeah I meant to kill and eat the other person, In order for you to survive. It is justifiable because you would have died without doing so, however the act is still morally wrong and should be avoided if not in a survival situation.
It is often said that we can't hold the Aztecs, for example , morally culpable for human sacrifices, because they had different morals. However that is wrong. We had the same morals yet a justification was made to act against them. Any direct action that causes suffering and pain to other sentient beings has been and will always be immoral, because that is the origin of all morals
sam smith But if you can justify an action, does it not make that action either morally right or at least neutral? How can something be morally wrong if it is morally justifiable? An example: Pushing a child is not morally wrong if your intention is to prevent them from being hit by a bus. Wouldn’t you agree? Or would you still consider the act (of pushing, in this case) morally wrong despite the outcome?
Nettle Yes the act is morally wrong if the child suffers as a result of your action, however as said there is justification for taking that action, I.e saving the child's life. The next question is what is suffering, I think you have to grade suffering and take precedent over which one is worse,e.g. Killing is the worst, then sustained torture etc, these are all based on negative long term outcome.
Side note, I really like the way you reply and respond, it is a clear you are very openminded and well versed in debating and actually want to understand ideas, really refreshing
That was painful to watch. Well done on keeping cool.
Strong, unapologetic, compassionate. Keep speaking the truth and it will ultimately be accepted as self evident.
How can humanely kill a being that doesn’t want to die?
@Meshari How would you say we should determine whether or not an action is humane?
@Meshari there both inhumane....you do realize what humane means right?
@@timboot1343 apply that to the human context and still tell me its humane.. lets test your logical consistency
@Meshari So would you say it's humane to peacefully euthanize you in your sleep because if you won't experience any pain?
Would your answer change if you knew the person who wants to kill you will also eat you?
@@timboot1343 When do you ever have to kill a human though?
Juicehead in denial... Sad to see young people like this. Joey is a true vegan warrior, a voice representing all the vegans in the world.
@Harry Garrett Do you even empathise dipshit ?
@Harry Garrett Indeed meathead!
13:00 why is Joey arguing over the environmental impact and land requirements of a vegan diet vs an omnivorous diet? It's a known thing now. The science is done. For example, if the US went vegan they could feed everyone on about 20% of the land currently used for farming. www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/
Globally, Livestock farming uses 77% of land and produces 17% of calories.
It's a done deal. We could easily feed the world with a vegan diet and we would reduce our land use for farming by about 2/3s. That's an area about 2.5 times the size of the USA.
ourworldindata.org/land-use
I hope Joey will get these facts memorised for next time. 👍
It's wildly accepted that a plant based diet is both A) Better for you and B) better for the environment but whenever someone tries to bring animal rights in to the mix it instantly becomes a debate. At least from what i've noticed.
Kuusakat_
Yes, I came to a plant-based diet almost entirely for environmental reasons. It's such a slam dunk of empirical evidence that there is no come back for farming livestock - certainly at anything but a tiny scale on marginal land.
The actual step to veganism came later for me. It's a trivial step once the cognitive dissonance of wanting to eat meat and dairy is out of the way.
I think it helps to have all three arguments ready to go - ethics, the environment and health.
As soon as you win over someone on one of these arguments, they will likely accept the other two.
Yes Michael. Unfortunately, just like with other issues, there will always be climate change deniers, flat-earthers, anti-vaxers 🤦♂️ Veganism gets the least coverage compared to those issues.
Joey: 1+1+1+1+1 = 5 Kid: "wellllllll it depends...."
Well done Joey. I know how hard it is to deal with individuals with such extreme ignorance. It is heartbreaking to see individuals so self consumed and stuck in their ways. You displayed strength and patience, you never know what the future holds for the people you communicate the truth with! The message is getting out there and we won’t stop until all animals are liberated 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I don't understand the 'meat is more calorically dense' argument. When most people are fat surely it would be far more beneficial to have a less calorically dense diet anyway?
@Summer Mercer A quick Google search....." over the past 50 years, meat production has more than quadrupled. ... 80 billion animals are slaughtered each year for meat."
@Summer Ray Oh so people are eating far more meat (you said they were eating less) and far more grains and sugar too? Of course you go directly to the source for your meat. Every single meat eater does it seems. A whole food plant based diet is the only diet PROVEN to reverse heart disease. That is all the evidence needed to prove you wrong. A new study came out only last week that confirms 100% the link between saturated fat and heart disease. I myself am now completely free of medication after dropping animal products from my diet. You can carry on posting as it's great for Joey's channel but you will NEVER EVER convince me Summer Ray (or whatever your name is today) of anything but that my decision to become vegan was 100 percent the correct one. I'm not a weak Jon Venus type. I didn't become vegan for health reasons anyway, that just happens to be a massive bonus. So, I'm afraid, you are completely wasting your time with me as I KNOW you are wrong. Simple as that.
@Summer Ray Believe me, I'm very careful of studies. You obviously conveniently believe all the meat industry funded ones while discounting all the independent ones. Yes I "literally think" that because it's proven :)
@Summer Ray Here's a TEDx Talk from an expert dietitian:
ruclips.net/video/k8hgfXmZSHE/видео.html
@Summer Ray I just eat meat from supermarket , I know u said it causes inflammation when the animals eat grain whats so bad about grain for animals , is it really true or just a theory type thing , I doubt i could afford much higher quality meat , would it be better to cut out meat an be vegetarian or eat supermarket meat ????
PS thank you for being here fighting for the animals Joey and crew 🧡😇
sad for Joey, all this hard work and efforts and he disagrees happily.
Joey knows this video will be seen and his arguments taken in and i for one will keep this as a video to show abusers. That guy knows he's wrong and may think in future perhaps..
This guy 😂😂🤦
Joey you are so passionate, you never lose a beat! I feel much stronger being vegan watching your videos. I get more informed by each video!
You have the patience of a saint Joey just watching this got me so frustrated 😔 well done for all you do and keeping cool 🌱
I just signed up as a patreon for Joey, and shared on Twatter.
EVERYBODY should do so too.
Love what you do Joey 🥰
#GoVegan for the animals 🕊
So frustrating. Well done Joey.
Imagine still eating meat in 2020
Still tastes great!
@@SJWilson37 Try without spices or salts. Often it isn't such a big deal, taste-wise. Apart from that: mock meat tastes great nowadays. People cannot notice differences anymore
@@Academic_G
Depends how u cook the meat.. if u cook meat nice n slow on a charcoal bbq that's where the fat renders off and adds to the flavour so yeah if it's done right u don't need salt n pepper..
@@caveman5831 yeah I've eaten plenty of non-seasoned meat and the way to cook it is nice and slow
Gerard Hoornweg I eat meat for the nutritional value, taste is just a bonus
Poor guy didn’t know what he walked into. He was reaching so hard in every direction
Joey! You've got great control of the flow of conversation keeping it relevant good stuff brother
Society chooses the morals. I hate this argument it can be used to justify any sort of atrocity.
Yes, and HAS been used to justify every sort of atrocity.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he advocated for slavery
I was working on reducing my meat eating when I found Joey about a year ago. And since then I've gone full vegan and Im working on building a whole food plant based diet. Thank you Joey, couldn't have done it without you🧡
Great work!
I'm surprised cognitive dissonance didn't come up when the meat eater kept saying "everybody knows where meat comes from".
The farmer guy is an expert in mental gymnastics :D
Morality comes from the natural laws of the universe and in more depth the soul/consciousness. When you go against the natural balance of life and the laws of the universe, chaos ensures. Disease, health issues etc. Its not natural to eat a meat diet, there's no antioxidants in meat, they are all in fruit and veg. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
''Don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself'' - this is the essence of morality.
Perfectly stated
"Don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself"
The 'others' in that statement only refer to humans.
When you're debating against a correct position your intelligence decreases.
Lol
Dogs eat meat so this is a foolish argument to begin with
@Bamlamndiqmz they do have a choice. Why do you think dogs are omnivores. Vegans are moronic
@Bamlamndiqmz you make no sense. I am a human. We evolved from eating meat or we was created to eat meat. Dogs are our hunting companion.
@Bamlamndiqmz why are you comparing dogs to humans. I would eat a dog. Dogs just make good companions rather than food. Would you let a cow live in your house and sleep in your bed, take the cow hunting, or let the cow sit on your couch to watch tv?
@@GarudaLegends yes! Cows make great pals! They are just as social and empathetic as dogs! They also are herbivores are are less likely to attack you than dogs!
This man needs to go to an animal vigil. He needs to see a slaughter house.
Most sane people know how the word works, their parents explained things to them as kids, took them fishing. If you didn't live a sheltered life, and if you would of learned food doesn't come from stores, the slaughter house isn't shocking, it's just the way it is.
@@brent9393 most people don't make a connection due to mass brain washing from children stories, through education, commercials and product packaging. Put the photo of the slaughtered cow on every steak and see how sales drop.
I've killed animals myself. I've been fishing. I don't live in a city. It took a hell lot of a conscious effort to unwind the cognitive dissonance. We're addicted to meat. Go off of it for a year and think about Joey's arguments again when your body doesn't crave it. It's an insane moment and all ethical vegans make sure to tell it's defining moment of their lives because it totally changes everything - not only what you eat or wear but nearly everything about how you perceive the society. Holes everywhere.
We don’t care
This guy is both in denial and dense AF smh 😱
It's a side effect from all of that caloricly dense food. Definition of a meat head.
Damn, old ass Lions tho....
Pays for animals to be slaughtered, yet doesn't see that as cruel. 🤦
Joey,
Instead of trying to 'WIN' the ARGUMENT , have you tried Earthling Ed's approach, where he uses the SOCRATIC METHOD ?
He asks questions to make them realise, FOR THEMSELVES, the error of their ways, which is far more likely to get them to CHANGE .
It's what made ME stop eating meat..
Well said.
“CaLoRiC dEnSiTy ThOuGh” okay Johnny bravo
Jonny Bravo 🤣
Dropping some major truth bombs in this video Joey.
Great stuff as always 👍
I love it 💚
Just let us who wants to eat meat eat meat, and you can enjoy your plants. Why do you as a random person feel that you have to convince me whats right or wrong ? Only because eating meat for you is wrong, it doesnt mean its wrong for me.
Sir, very easy to be vegan: no animal stuff
I'm lazy sometimes: buy already made burgers,
sausages, desserts
No supplement, was supposed to be ondialysis
Am 66, feel 20 years younger
HAPPY & PROUD TO BE VEGAN
This was a frustrating one🤪. Great job Joey 🙂
Great vid Joey
Fall asleep on a pillow, wake up in a supermarket, I'm dead.
Joey bro, this is the best education I have ever found. No beating around the bush and I rate how you shut down any non-arguments and stupid logically fallacies that this carnist brings up.
It’s always hard hearing blatant hypocrisy from people in front of you. This guy is an example of how manipulated peoples are by Carnism.
Inspiring to see you handle this 🙌
You’re the best 💪
27:56 You making sure not to swear here is so admirable. You're very much invested in the argument but still you keep it sober. Personally I have a tendency to get caught up in the argument and kind of loose my head but I hope it comes with time and me watching these arguments meanwhile reflecting on my own morality on veganism. I only went vegan this february so therefore I haven't had all that many encounters yet and I haven't tried to convince anyone I am right since I am not, yet, fully enlightened myself. What I am saying is, I admire your work and I love to get informed from your videos - both the very civilised ones and the heated ones on TV.
Joey’s on fire here 🔥
The more Joey talks to some of these people, the more I can see where murderers and racists come from, they create these false justifications for their terrible actions.
your adequate position statement is'nt going to cut it for much longer, people are slowly starting to see plant based nutrition for what it is, we will give it more time but things are'nt looking good
vegans live on toilets huh?
Another example of body builders are dumb.
To be fair I had seen animals being killed for food many years before I wen't vegan. For some reason I didn't make the connection back then. Even if you KNOW you might still need something else to flip that switch in your head
13:10
Bogus excuse from the carnist.
Joey's absolutely right, animal farming takes up 83% of the world’s agricultural land, but delivers only 18% of our calories. A plant-based diet cuts the use of land by 76% and halves the greenhouse gases and other pollution that are caused by food production. And yes, meat is nowhere near as calorie dense as grains.
Source:
science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987
www.greenbelly.co/pages/best-high-calorie-backpacking-foods
Most carnists do seem to be anti facts and anti science whenever it comes to the issue of their carnism.
@@LouisGedo Word
Thats just big brocolli propoganda
@@barco111 Yeah, the most comprehensive analysis to date of the damage farming does to the planet is just...propaganda. Science be damned, all hail anti-intellectualism.
@@donaldanderson6578 i hope you know i was being sarcastic
Would everyone stop eating meat if the animals could talk like us.
no room for empathy. Soon people will realize
Does this guy understand that animal cannot buy their food in the grocery store??? Much love & respect:))))
That young dude is rather numb emotionally
I can't understand why people even try to debate you. There's no hope for them!
He debates on opinions and emotions. Someone prepared would destroy him
Great debate! Well done :) Also a lot of spectators, nice!
Thank you for showing these videos and engaged in perhaps one of the greatest services to others. Your arguments are true and valid and people need to stop lying to themselves.
When someone uses the "You're prepared with figures I'm not." Tell them to "come back tomorrow with figures so we can discuss this elementary level reasoning further and I can still logically back you into a corner".
thank you for all your efforts to educate others on animal rights
39:22 “... they fall asleep on a pillow and wake up in a supermarket” That has me rolling 😂 Love your humour Joey #veganforlife 🌱
How interesting people make a conversation, by being ignored instead of being vegan.
We all need to change lifestyle and improve our habits for the sake of ourselves and especially future generations.
Amazing work Mr. Carbstrong Thank You for all your effort and hard work witht the team!
Joey; please share this with your fellow activists.
I’m a Christian and listen to a lot of apologists, one guy has an interesting angle and I think you could use this on the occasions when you get a person who will just argue and not listen.
His name is Greg Koukl and he says evangelism is looked at as a “Harvest” and is all based on bringing as many people to faith as possible. Some preachers are brilliant at it and bring thousands to Christ at a time but that puts a lot of pressure on the rest as the other preachers and apologists feel they have to be just as good.
Greg had an epiphany one day and realised that any “Harvest” requires quite a team to be successful; there’s a whole number of people involved but it’s only part of the story.
Before the grain can be cut it has to grow and that means someone has to prepare the ground, level it, plough it and fertilise it. Someone else has to sow the seeds and water them in, tend to the weeds and nurture the plants. Then they all have to wait until the grain is ready. Only after all this work, effort and patience is the Harvest possible.
Greg Koukl says he’s identified himself as a gardener not a harvester and it has come as such a relief.
The point of telling you this is for those times when you reach an impasse with someone who belligerently will not listen and just keeps on spouting all that same crap over and over again. Maybe you can console yourself in the realisation that they are just not ready to listen and you have to settle with sowing seeds and letting someone else do the watering for a while.
Greg Koukl says “I’m not going to try converting you, (big laugh) I just want to put a stone in your shoe!” He wants his audience to go away with questions and seek out their own answers over time.
Thanks for all you and the guys are doing Joey. Much love 😉🇬🇧🌱
Good thing Jesus promotes eating meat!
I’ve had a friend who had these arguments with me over and over. I was on this guy’s side, she was in Joey’s. I feel ashamed watching stuff like this as it really reminds me of what I must’ve used to look like defending this thing “the density though ... I need it for my exercise though... but the lions in the wild”. To make this even more ironic, and shameful to me at the same time, this girl went back to eating meat and I became vegan about 2 years ago because of Joey’s videos. I hope she didn’t go back to meat because of me. Now we actually have these conversations backwards, and we both keep telling each other “tell that to your 2 years ago self”. Thanks Joey.
When I was a baby (and so many people still think ) i used to think that they were milk producing animals..so different from us..
Good one. You got him, he just wouldn't admit it on camera. I think he will change in the future.
Amazing video joey ❤️❣️❣️❣️ love your activism I was just wandering when the t shirts and stuff will arrive I ordered mine in the first week of the presale?? Love you amazing work
Thanks, Joey! As always, solid video👍🏼