VEGAN VS MEATEATER- BEST DEBATE I'VE EVER HAD [ROUND 2]
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2018
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Joey Carbstrong bro you are awesome! You destroyed him. So happy I'm vegan although coming from an Islamic family background. Need to see you soon. Are you in the UK still? PS this guy debated with the most child like illogical ignorant answers I've ever heard. Wow lol
Joey Carbstrong valid points but a lot of the time you come across too aggressive even though that's not your intention. Give the people the benefit of the doubt that they are ignorant to the industry and be more patient with them coming to terms with the eye opening the information. Obviously it's for the video and it's your channel but the other protestors look a bit bored as you weren't giving them a chance to talk, I'm sure they have valid things to say.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one
Hi bro! Thanks for doing this man!! Thanks for everything.. I could never do it as good as you do... But try to stay back a bit like in the last couple of debates, so the meat eaters dont feel that threatend.. ;)
Joey Carbstrong caring has a extent, everything we do has a extent.
Not to be rude but your presence or your body language is very intimidating. The way you stand, Constant eye contact, tense structure, neck forwards. Can be seen as threatening.
Yeah, I think it's very intense, but it's just his personality. When he's focused and really trying to listen, his body just does what it needs. It's effective even if it makes people nervous.
I think he’s just very passionate. Considering his social background etc he’s come a long way and shows a lot of self control. It takes a lot of patience to debate with people like this who are constantly trying to oppose your views.
The Frame his Vegan personality! All the shouting! Way too intense.
The Frame it’s definitely NOT effective!
Joey doesn't always talk like this, he changes his body language and tone depending on who he is debating. Against a big burly British bloke, i think this was perfect.
All I see is one person trying to have a normal conversation and the other person interrupting and repeating memorized sentences.
Leonardo DiCuckrio no it’s because he can recognise what is happening in the video.
My question for this guy is if consuming meat is a terrible thing, and we must stop because we are hurting the animal... what do we do about animal predators? We are animals yeah? As in the human race. Would he find it morally better if we went out and hunted for meat like predators? Or is his argument that since we can eat plants we should only eat plants for the sake of animals. It is engrained in all predators to eat meat, and humans have just found a way to feed a lot of people that meat we look for. It's not like anyone ENJOYS killing anything. We're just animals... we like food... and the way to get it just isn't sunshine and rainbows
Dbullet Vegans are fucking retarded, dont listen to anything they say. The fact That we should cut down on the amount of meat we produce and eat is logical, for enviromental reasons. But we cant go Only this or Only That, with a healthy mix we can survive for a long long time.
The muppett on the left keeps changing the premise of his argument and going anecdotal..... Absolutely useless
Leonardo DiCuckrio,is vegan Latin for pretentious twat!
im a vegan from africa, south africa specifically, we exist!!!
South Africa is wealthier than other African countries thats why u exist
@Bruce Bronson Veganism is a religion
GeckoShorts I have heard South Africa has quite a big vegan population
@@readysoldier6799 keep telling that to yourself 🤣
@Bruce Bronson I disagree, i have been a vegan bodybuilder for 8 months and results have been more intense than ever
"Well obviously it's sustainable, because it's happening" 😂 😂 😂
What’s funny about that
@@estns2992 It's funny because it's so stupid. Slavery was sustainable and it happened......doesn't mean it was right yeah? You could give that argument to everything inherently wrong in society and our planet.
Marina D damn I must have been high as fuck when I wrote that comment, it’s so clear what he was laughing at lmaooo
@@__eganista6372 you do know what sustainable means right ? It’s got nothing to do with right or wrong it’s something that’s working and is going well and eating meat is way more sustainable than the whole world being vegan you give a dog some meat next to some vegan food see what the dog chooses it would be meat it’s in some animals instinct to go for meat over plants if he said all humans to be vegan that makes a tiny bit more sense but if you think the whole world will be vegan then your delusional
@@__eganista6372 LOL BRO YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT SUSTAINABLE MEANS.
Your body language is super aggressive. Act more relaxed and u might get people to open up more.
@jack mccall no I wouldn't because im not a retard. I hate all unnecessarily aggressive people, regardless of their diet
jack mccall no he wouldn’t.
omfg he's not aggressive
@@nottodaytay5858 aggressive body language
Martin Kiel earthling ed does have an incredible amount of patience but him being calm doesn’t make him automatically right tho. I don’t mean offense by this but veganism is for the wealthy. Anyone who understands capitalism knows that what you want would never work. Companies aren’t gonna all the sudden just start giving away food for free if we go vegan so outlawing meat would only take away peoples ability to provide themselves with a virtually cost free alternative where they can feed their families quite well. I dont think you understand much of what its like living in poverty in rural parts of the world. Rural poverty isnt going anywhere and meat absolutely IS a necessity for these people whether you like to hear it or not. Veganism is a nice idea if you can afford to do it but it wont work for everyone i can guarantee it. People in rural places with less access to jobs to make money, not enough money for land to potentially farm and less access to grocery stores where they can buy food will be put at a much greater disadvantage than those in the suburbs and cities. I do have compassion for animals and i believe all life is sacred but that doesn’t mean we can live without sacrifice. Nearly every luxury we have in life comes with a sacrifice. Yin and yang it always balances out no matter what. Good and evil are much more closely linked than we like to admit and i personally think vegans are just uncomfortable with that idea which is completely understandable as most humans are. I respect the nobility of youre cause but disagree with your means. Although i eat both meat and dairy i can admit veganism has some solid points. That doesn’t mean it should be forced upon everyone tho. Encouraged for those who can afford it maybe but never forced. As i said everything we do has a yin and a yang, a good side and an evil side we have to be very careful when forcing ideas such as this into law.
I've watched numerous videos by Joey and I can't stand the way he speaks to the people he debates with. Tilting his head, butting in, raising his voice etc. He tries to convert people to veganism but he would go much further if he wasn't so aggressive in conversation.
James Porter he thinks he is some god like descendant and make a religion of himself. That reminds me someone in the past
He’s acts like a cult leader
Thank you. Those crazy activists are the reason why people will never stop eating meat. They are the problem. Well, that and the fact that meat is fucking delicious, but that's besides the point
He has to be aggressive because his fight, the whole reason he lives is pointless. The whole world isn't going Vegan.... End of story. Quit shoving your views in others faces.
agreed, he has the mannerisms of one that deserves to get his ass kicked. It's embarrassing how many people support this kind of behavior
Respect to the other man for staying calm and respectful, through an uncomfortable debate
Yeah its rough to stay calm and not get irritated by one of these crazy vegans 🤪
@@stuart3690 Nope, the crazy one is the one yelling at someone for eating different foods than them..
@@stuart3690 It's life, it's natural. The only dishonest one is the one trying to push their beliefs onto others. If you don't est meat, good, enjoy it, but you don't have to be the food version of jehovas witnesses. You never have to ask if your friends are vegan, if they are they will always let you know
@@stuart3690 I've never killed an animal. Stop assuming.
@@stuart3690 OK I'm done arguing with a moron
It makes me so uncomfortable when people want their point to be listened to and not be interrupted when they do it themselves all the time
@@brocklesnar3802 that wasn't the case in this video and I've not seen a video where activists act like that. So what are you talking about?
@@bigbaldin it happens all the time
@@makoosh3448 in your imagination I guess? Show me where
@@bigbaldin search up vegans getting owned
@@makoosh3448 give me the source or just stop lying
I live in Tanzania (Africa) most ppl are vegan here as they cant afford anything but maize and beans. 👍
John St Julien Baba Wanyama same in kenya. And the population actually look very healthy and are so strong. Even the women
I don't see anything wrong with going vegan as long as one can afford to maintain a good diet. What is troubling here is the attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions to non-human entities. This called
𝐀𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐬𝐦.
Only a person, that is, a being possessed of reason and self-control, can be the subject of rights and duties. Rights and duties are moral ties which can exist only in a moral being or person. Beings that may be treated simply as means to the perfection of persons can have no rights, and to this category the animal (brute) belongs. In the Divine plan of the universe the lower creatures are subordinated to the welfare of man.
Although we are bound to act towards them in a manner conformable to their nature, we may lawfully use them for our reasonable wants and welfare, even though such employment of them necessarily inflicts pain upon them. But the wanton infliction of pain is not the satisfaction of any reasonable need, and being an outrage against the Divinely established order, is therefore sinful.
This principle, by which, at least in the abstract, we may solve the problem of the lawfulness of vivisection and other cognate questions, is tersely put by Zigliara:
"𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐛𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐬. 𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞, 𝐦𝐚𝐧, 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐧𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐩𝐮𝐫𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞, 𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐞 𝐜𝐫𝐮𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐰𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠, 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐞, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐟𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫" (Philosophia Moralis, 9th ed., Rome, p. 136).
thats a big fat lie, maybe they eat vegetables mostly but as a kenyan i know for a fact alot of people drink milk daily whether natural or processed. vegans do not drink milk or eat eggs. the dairy industry is one of the largest in kenya, and whenever a poor person gets some cash they celebrate with some beef or goat so they are not vegeterian by choice
if i place some kfc next to em they be begging for it
Pahahaha you're kidding right.
In all honesty; I'll give it to him for being respectful to you throughout the conversation, and staying there while being filmed. Even if I disagree with his views he's well worth a little kudos for his willingness to debate you!
He's never going to post a video up against someone who makes solid counter arguments. He's just showing the winning ones.. I actually wish the world was vegan.. I have compassion for animals.. but i would be able to argue against his points.. He catches people off guard puts a lot of pressure on them.. Most fold under the pressure and the tactics he uses.. but u won't see uploads of those who wouldn't. I know if he filmed me that video won't be shown. First thing i would have told him is... " oh so you are suggesting people eat grass?" cause thats like 80 percent of what they feed cows.
Guinea54 if you tried that argument, I have no doubt tat Joey would have rightfully responded to your argument no differently, "99% of cows are factory farmed and don't eat grass; they eat a prepared mixture grains grown on plantations that could be used to grow food to feed people directly". I haven't heard any valid arguments against veganism, except for worst case scenarios and straw-man logic (e.g. what if you were stranded on a deserted island with nothing to eat except animals, or our ancestors though, or lions though...). If you watch the documentary Cowspiracy, you'll see that to raise enough grass-fed cattle for everyone, we'd need to clear every bit of the land in the US, Canada and Mexico just to feed to US alone. But it's a moot point, if we don't NEED it. I think you'd agree as you say you want the world to go vegan...
Fresh grass would be a fucking premium food for a cow..they give the animals processed scraps of fillers with hay.... that are cheaply manufactured... No one is going to spend more on a resource to sell a resource.. Meat has been a survival food for humans since the beginning of human existence. That is all life cares about at the end of the day and how things have evolved... for survival.. If plants were so self-sustaining we would see cultures around the world who had numerous generations of vegetarians.. but we don't. People have been cross breeding, hunting, farming and gathering for 10's of thousands of years in the name of survival only. If plants were the real viable way for survival, entire cultures would be vegetarians.. If they can't afford to feed fucking cows grass... which is basically a weed... the most easily grown thing on the planet.. How much land would you need to harvest the variety of fruits, vegetables, grains , beans, and other plants needed for billions of people besides giving them buckets of hay and fillers. What would be a more sustainable meal for you.. eating grass/hay filler soy concoction scrap blend or the cow if you had to pick one for survival. The cow eats the grass,, or the processed hay shit and the cow then becomes a food source for something higher up on the chain that needs a different nutritional need. In the perfect world, lions would eat grass too.. everything would eat grass and hay... But our pet cats and dogs I guess don't need the meat in their food either.. where the hell would i get my turkey feast meow mix i feed the cats outside in your perfect world... Something had to die and be put in the can to help the animals outside survive.. and show me some people in the world who were strictly vegetarians for 3, 4, 5 generations... and what would happen to all these free animals without natural predators who keep them from over populating? If we aren't eating them.. then what? You're still going to need a fuck ton of grass for an ever expanding species that no longer has natural predators. .. What u think because they stop farming them and also stop eating them that they will disappear? the opposite would happen their population would boom ..
It's corn and soybeans...being the largest crop given to animal ag. It's an easy search on google, if you would make the time to do some research.
Are you vegan? Do you really wish the world were vegan?
I don't believe you are or wish that from the aggressive tone (3 fucks) and erratic arguments (a very long and meandering paragraph) you use against veganism. You seem like you want to do the right thing but are fighting against it.
If we've always done something in the past, it doesn't necessarily mean it we should continue to do it.
Live and let live! Do unto others!
The good karmic effect is good health and quicker stronger erections for men (which get better the longer you are vegan), and a better future for our planet...
Leonardo Da Vinci: "Truly man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds them. We live by the death of others. We are burial places! I have since an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men will look upon the murder of animals as they look upon the murder of man."
yet he still eating meat❤️
Genesis 9:3 read it learn it and keep it in your skull.
Never a truer statement has been said!!!!
@@justindutoit2356 Yea that a good verse, we just need proof the Bible is actually a legit source, it was written by men 100% for sure,
@@jameson95x so you're agaisnt men
Much respect, man! I like the way you oblige people to ask themselves the cogent questions they refuse completely to ask themselves. It seems difficult for so many to "digest" the truth. Cruelty is a form of weakness in my opinion. Keep it up, Joey. Because of you and many others, I'm inspired to act.
Truth and vegans don’t belong in the same sentence.
Hey Joey! I am just about to become an organizer for AV. I am 16 and you turned me vegan a year ago. You are such an inspiration, thanks.
wow, thats so amazing! I'm so proud of you! keep shining you legend!
Lets go! I have so much respect for you! I had it easy and joined my AV community. You're making a difference.
Where will your chapter be Miguel?
16? YOU inspire ME!
Thank you to everyone!!! :´)
Btw, Barry Hyslop, what do you mean? I´m not sure I understand :)
The man said how do you know if pigs are innocent 😂😂😂😂😂😂that had me in tears man
pigs will literally eat each other
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@alyannabrown3446 that's false bears like the black bear, brown bear, grizzly bear, etc. They are all omnivores and yet if they see an animal like deer or any other animal they eat they'll take it.
@@alyannabrown3446 You're a dumb ass. Bolt guns are very cost effective. They use compressed air to discharge a reusable/retractable metal rod. You would pay more in wages for someone to "throw" cows against a wall. The Incredible Hulk doesn't work cheap. LMAO
Clearly you’ve never meet a pig. Wild pigs are boars 🐗 they’ll kill you as soon as they see you. Fucking delusional vegans.
Joey, ignore "interrupt" or "body language" comments, you are just telling the truth. Found out about you 3 days ago cannot stop watching your videos. greetings from Croatia
That looked like a tough one. Well done!
I notice how in your videos people quickly change their tone when you say to them "I believe you are a good person".
Well done for what? This guy's a massive bellend
@@elsden722 I agree
yep this guy *totally*
changed his when he
said that I noticed too!
You need to learn to listen to the person you're talking to instead of spewing sentences at them and calling them bro
The one that is PRO-MURDER is the one that needs to LISTEN & LEARN. The one that is NONE VIOLENT is looking to EDUCATE with FACTS. Odd how people also didn't want to listen to Christ either when he spoke of PEACE and against the VIOLENCE of humans. PEACE BEGINS with YOUR PLATE. Christ taught COMPASSION, MERCY, LOVE, KINDNESS etc. which is NOT in the behavior of consuming animals. It is actually EXTREMELY BARBARIC and PRIMITIVE.
GOLDENFLY WARRIOR you are everywhere aren’t you 😂
GOLDENFLY WARRIOR Oi bro. It’s a basic human right to eat meat and live a healthy natural lifestyle.
the reality of life is you can be eat like this in the free world ruclips.net/video/xstX_a780Rs/видео.html learn to live with it... the world is not a candy trip snowflakes.
GOLDENFLY WARRIOR stfu and have a steak
I tried being vegan 30 years ago but back then there was not many choices in food. Tried again last November. Now so many food choices. I changed for health reasons but after seeing your videos now I'm doing it for the animals. So thank you for all you're doing
thank you for having compassion :D ,, if you need any help let me know
Not many plants existed back then?
@@thesecunts9896 plants existed but all the alternatives didn't.
Yay that’s great 😊
@@thesecunts9896 nah, just dirt and manure
This was a really good discussion and he seems open to learn and discuss and reflect. I enjoyed this.
Going on 5 days vegan. My gut feels great. Not bloated my skin looking alot better. 👌
Cleansing, but not nourishing.
@@thicc5255 I’m on my 7th day of being vegan and I way more nourished than I was when consuming animals. I’m hitting my RDA for everything and I feel amazing for it. And the best part is no animal had to die for me to feel good and to smash my daily nutrition.
@@xxzvictimxx3902 last part is bullshit
Then go vegan for the rest of ur life....we don't ask u not to be vegan...just don't go around like this jobless person in the video...I support u being vegan and respect ur choice ...👍 Good luck
@@OctopusH2O no bs here ☺️
dude let the guy fkn finish , it is easy to win arguments against people who you gang up on and constantly interrupt them
william nebe exactly! He never lets them speak.
It went both ways. That's how debates work.
This is a debate! Why wait for a point to be finished when they've already said something you disagree with, waste of time
this is rather old, his new stuff is much better..interesting how times proves the gentler, more balanced vegan arguments even better..
yea but when the dude keeps going full circle it is not worth the time to make the same point over and over again. I understand his frustration and urge to interrupt at some points although his passion for his side of things seemed like they caused him to be a little in the farmers face but that is probably difficult to control with all of that passion. There is plenty of logic and reason behind it all which I think justifies him showing this passion after he establishes all of his logic.
I'm a vegan in Africa 😄and there are thousands here.
Love this comment so much!!!
GodisTrulyGreat I ate a steak today and it tasted amazing
Megan Botes you’re a fucking liar ... go hunt an apple
Animal Lover then your as shallow as she is there is prople in africa who are starving on a daily basis an have hunting as there only means to feed themself and there villages 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Please don’t lie in Africa we eat ALOT of meat
He thinks you’re nuts..... u think he’s nuts.... and repeat and we can be here forever.
The endless debate
It's absolutely pointless. He doesn't care about you. There's no such thing as universal morals despite what vegans want to say. The universal morals vegans spout is THEIR subjective values.
You showed immense commitment & focus in that debate. Any activist would be envious! I know I am. Great work!
"I agree with hunters, I agree with people who want to eat meat." - Well you can basically say that for anything, it doesn't justify the immorality.
exactly, Thank-You
Good thing it isn't immoral
This debate was uncomfortable to watch and you kept interrupting him and it was kinda hard to listen to his sode
soda?
Sida not soda. Joking obvs
That's what Carbstrong does. He talks over people. He tries to intimidate. He shoves his message down people's throats and why? Because his lines are learned and any deviation he hasn't heard before cannot be allowed to throw him. What would this video be like if he stopped to listen? Boring to the brainwashed followers maybe.
Veganism is flawed on every level. It is pedalled by people who don't have the stomach for reality. Life is not simple. There are 7 billion people on the planet. We are all different. Some of us think it is ok to kill animals for food. We don't feel horrified, squeamish or negative in any way about it.
Meat is nutritious. Toddlers always go for the meat first at dinner time. They aren't taught this. It is their bodies going for the food that is going to make them grow big and strong (brain development etc)
We evolved to enjoy the taste of nutritious food. I include my favourite fruits and vegetables in that but also meat.
I've said enough. Vegans are squeamish is the main point before anyone starts throwing out stats etc
gregnolan0 yeah you’re right toddlers going for chicken nuggets is definitely their brain telling them to go for the food that’s going to benefit their body 🤦🏼♀️ go back to school mate
Tammy2Perfect * Tamzin | 2 Year Old Gymnast * chicken nuggets are very tasty, people have their choices. Please fuck off
Thank you for all you do ❤❤
That was amazing. Thank you .
The meat eater I believed approached this in a very appropriate way. The one big vegan guy was intimidating, and they’re surrounding him... that won’t magically turn people vegan. I understand he’s passionate but he’s argumentative, rather than informative.
I am in no way against vegansim.. but I really don’t believe this is the correct approach.
ravvraj You’re funny. I didn’t say I disagreed with the vegans points, but he’s intimidating and in his face.. simple as that. There are much better ways to educate people than this.. Anger won’t get you anywhere..
Ps. You seem like a super sweet person, keep doing you, good job!
He isn't being aggressive in the first to begin with.
Bidhan Tandukar I didn’t use the term aggressive.
ravvraj you are the fkin idiot here insulting a random person who wrote his opinion about the video or rather about the vegan. Keep calm brother. In real life you cant hide behind the keyboard ;)
Katie Mould One answer would shut up the vegan--- IT'S MY CHOICE TO EAT MEAT. He has no right to infringe upon my rights. The vegan gives a rubbish sustainability argument, why does he not go to a forest and live within nature, he enjoys all creature comforts of a developed country and lectures on sustainability.0
nature kills entire species, billions of deaths occur everyday, it's not all rosy. Agriculture helped us create civilization, nature itself is not sustainable,it destroys and creates.
The vegan activist is so rude, let the man speak!
Watch again kid! It's the man that keeps cutting off Joey and NOT LISTEN. Joey ask questions and the CARNIST dude keeps missing the point. One thing that Joey the animal activist is not is rude. He heard it all with CARNIST trying to justify murdering animals. LET THE ANIMALS LIVE! STOP breeding just to slaughter. Get over that addiction to the taste of animals dead seasoned corpse.
The world wont go vegan just eat meat if you want
I've seen alot of videos with this dude and he interrupts the hell out of people
Ya Boi Freddy I honestly was open to a different perspective on being vegan but after watching this guy's videos, I've never not wanted to be vegan more in my life!
you will lose out on delicious meat, and dairy
Thank you again Infinitely Joey and company for what you do.
Mr. Carbstrong, please never stop this campaign, you are necessary for this world. I'll be earning in a couple of years and I am gonna donate as much I can to you. Thanks
Hey want a burger
He needs to be and will be stopped
I don’t agree with the “best debate” thing to be honest
yea more like most difficult debate. His side of things were delivered pretty well and there so many methods he went about it. The farmer was having trouble keeping up because of his lack of research on the vegan side. He had not really considered all of the potential arguments joey could have had which repeatedly left him in doubt of the research he was referring to.
Ryan Williams more like the opposite. The man looks very knowledgeable meanwhile the vegan dude keeps changing subject and interrupting his opponent to hide fallacies in his arguments.
@@jax2728 Could you cite any fallacies he tried to hide?
Junkie Carbstrong sounded like a idiot in this video, which makes sense because he's a dumb ass. 😂
It's how he gets traffic to his videos. Click bait. Misleading just like the rest of his information.
If I ever had a conversation with you id be yelling right over you for interrupting me.. disrespectful to cut someone off like that man. All I see is a one sided argument you are having by yourself
100% the other bloke was so respectful, and he treated him like crap and didn’t let him talk
he does get quite emotional quite fast which is quite annoying. although it must be difficult when the other sides arguments are CLEARLY evasive and ignorant
Agreed dirty vegan cunts need to die
HyperX Bud I mean you pay for animals to be brutally murdered but pop off sis ✨💕
@Christopher Tapia so because of his past , does that allow him to preach veganism to other people in the way he does , very rude obnoxious and aggressive. He has drilled the same phrases and arguments into his head that much that he can't have a genuine debate.
This is very interesting. I learnt alot from this video.
In Wyoming my uncle dry farmed wheat. Now they grow nothing but alfalfa for cows and water it all summer and the natural springs are drying up from all the watering that’s depleting the aquifer.
Lot of people hating on this guy and its kinda silly. This man approached a group of people (who I his mind hated his guts) and had a mostly calm and civil discussion about something he didn't know much about, we gotta remember we've all been in his position and just needed someone to help open our minds (or at least most of us))
ev veg What do you expect ? Vegans are the most hostile group of people going, and will force they agenda down your throat and claim everything you say is wrong
@@WAzzzUUppp And non-vegans are forcing animals to be tortured and killed.
@@WAzzzUUppp It's vegans lack of b12 turns them aggressive and retarded, and shrinks their brain.
@@sethkukel229 just eat Bour vita if want vitamin Bs . And veganism is not only about vegetables
Joey... I applaud you for always being so so patient. I think I wouldn't be able to talk to this guy for more than 1 minute.
imred he’s not patient he’s being rude , he’s slamming him for not being “Vegan”
Patient? He never even let the guy talk
Actually joey was interrupting
@@francesscanlen2768 duh, you mean he should support him abusing animals?
@@AM-tb4fn lol eating animals isn’t abuse , we honour the animal that died by eating it , animal abuse is putting a cat or dog on a vegan diet knowing very well that certain animals can’t live on what vegans live on because their bodies weren’t made to digest their kind of food , we’re naturally omnivores , why try to change that 🤷🏻♀️
Excellent Joey
That's a smart guy, wanting facts and waking up.
Wow! As exhausting as that must have been, I am so grateful you stayed in the conversation. You didn't just plant seeds, you planted a little forest with that one. Thank you for being you and doing what you've come to be so incredibly good at. ❤️
jenna daneels why dont you try to make a lion vegan...hes eating innocent dears....but still strong as fuck.
alan shelly koshy
Hmmm... Why would I try to turn a lion vegan? Their anatomy is that of a carnivore and they kill for survival. On a side note, herbivorous animals that eat plants for survival are also "strong as fuck".
jenna daneels but humans dont tend to become any better eating veggies...i live in india....and most of hindus are vegetarians ..they are not taller than 5 10 and they are relatively weak...its all genetics.
Humans are omnivorous for your info....bears are omnivorous...meat contains nutrients that are good for your body.
And i dont eat meat everyday...i eat a balanced diet.
You say why dont you eat another human or a dog or a cat...i dont because their meat contains worms that cause diseases...and pork is the reason for so many intestinal problems.
Eating chicken beef lamb dont kill anyone...
Just answer this....if we are cruel to animals...dont other animals kill animals...why dont you stop bear from eating fish.
There are carnivorous plants that eat insects...what should they eat lettuce....shut up and peace out
alan shelly koshy
Wow. You're having an interesting conversation with yourself, here. Let me see about addressing somethings:
You obviously have not educated yourself on the benefits of a whole food plant based lifestyle. There's no shame in that. I only began learning 3 yrs ago so hopefully you have time. Here's a few credible sources just to steer you in the right direction:
Dr Goldhamer, Dr Klaper, Dr Pam Popper, Dr Barnard, Dr McDougal, Dr Fuhrman. There's plenty more but that's already a good start.
You're right, many things fall onto genetics. However, where health issues are concerned, one never knows how much of a problem truly is genetics until all other possible contributors have been eliminated. We all know that proper diet and a good mental attitude are the best medicines.
The difference between vegetarians and vegans is usually huge. From an ethical standpoint, an environmental standpoint and also from a healthful standpoint. Again, just check with those doctors listed... Their not funded by the vegetable industry. Hahaha!
Lastly, meat contains nutrients... Yes, it does. Some things, the body creates on it's own but we need plants to be healthy and avoid the toxicity that animal proteins bring to the body (by way of counter actions, building strong immune systems, etc). It's better for us, humans, to just avoid the toxic animal
proteins in the first place.By the way, where do you think the lion's meal got it's nutrients to then pass onto the lion?
🤔
As for the other blah-blah worth of stuff that I didn't even mention...
It's tiring when people don't want to stick to the subject. Must be because I'm just a weak vegan 😂😂😂
He won't change because he doesn't want to
Kudos, He definitely left that day questioning a few things he had not before hand.
@@kingdaleclarke whomp whomp....
Love this guy...schooled you with facts and reasoning...all while maintaining his composure and not hyperventilating and getting super aggresive
I'm surprised this guy never gave you a smack from the amount of times you called him bro...
Lol an open hand smack from that guy would probably knock him out cold. Lmao
Great work joey keep going!!
F r e e l e e you are both doing amazing things for the animals. Thank you so much💚
Indeed, Pole Momma, Mrs. Ratcliffe is doing wonderful things for animals (except for unborn humans, it seems, as she supports abortion for illegitimate reasons).
And she wonders why everyone dislikes her (see her latest video).
Reverend Eslam. At least Freelee has taken a stand against animal cruelty. She puts herself out there against a cruel world that little to no compassion for animals. I admire her and think she’s awesome!
Thanks Freelee 🌱
have a shower, a shave and put on some makeup and i'll go vegan.
Omg I died when Joey went what Barnie?! Flash to the friendliest most innocent looking being ever to exist LOL
Go on like this Joey, you’re doing a good job.
I hope he did research by 2021 and seen how many meat factories had gotten Covid-19 outbreaks and understands that there was a breath behind what is on his plate, that the animal experienced a season or two before being seasoned on his plate.
"Obviously it's sustainable because it's happening" - I don't think that's how it works lol
But it's happening.
@@_Belteshazzar_ bankruptcy in America, its happening so America is sustainable
@@sirsatire7802 America has the highest GNP in the world we've never lost a war and we're not going down in GNP therefore we are sustainable.
Actually that is how it works lol its proven to be sustainable because its happening. Hes making a point
@@_Belteshazzar_ exactly
Joey, I believe the turning point was when you sincerely told him you thought he was a good person. You could almost see his heart melt then. Never mind all the armchair activists criticizing your passion here... you did a fantastic job in helping to change the mind of this farmer!
Vivisection is Scientific Fraud that's cause he spoke to his soul and his soul finally resonated with it. 97% of the argument was him clashing with that man's brainwashed ego. You can never reason with someone and have them thinking logical when they're in a egotistical mindset. Cognitive dissonance prevents a person from having a open mind.
thx for reminding me that
@@shaktigodbody but he was being surrounded it wasnt confortable for him from the very start i dont blame him id prob be same position,, hewas strong holding on that long with the unconfortable feeling of being judged by so many against his action... i have to seperate actions from people more...
PEOPLE R NOT THEIR ADDICTION
I want to see how far you go with this. Ever thought of setting up a livestream?
I would love to see a vegan try to survive in the wilderness like our ancestors did thousands of years ago and see if they could actually last more than a month or two
We got a badass over here!
Hm, our ancestors mainly eated veggies and fruits. Did you know that the gladiators only eated veggies and fruits and they could fight lions and other animals at the arena?
One of Joeys points he brings up a lot is that what you’re talking about is a survival situation, you sitting on RUclips means you are not in a survival situation. Bro i used to eat meat, and I am way fitter now as a vegan anyway.
Barney is a dangerously cute animal ❤🐷
That pig can easily kill a human if spooked
He looks delicious. I think ill go have me a piece of barney.
Pigs are actually dangerous, some people use them as murder weapons...
Gross pig 🤢🤢🤢🤢
Un bon chat Un bien gato yeah when there hungry they eat anything
Joey, as much as I value your activism and I understand you getting heated because its a topic that all affects us deeply, you have got to learn to listen more and let the other person speak without being so aggressive and 'passionate' sometimes. Youre a great activist and I commend your work but that would be a huuuge positive addition for you, and I really believe much more people would listen to what you have to say. If you listened more you would have been able to answer much more statements and questions he made in this vid. Look at Ed and James who very often take the time to listen and let the others speak. A great quote I once heard on persuasion goes something like ''you've got to make the person think it was their idea''. No offence and I hope you see this as constructive criticism!
Typical for vegans.
Yeah the thing is he DID let him talk. I think you’re upset because the guy got obliterated.
Martial Harpist Matthew no if you listen he listen and and responses however when the meateater starts to make a point the vegan misdirects and brings it back to morality, he uses legal terms like murder then states in next statement its not about legal its about morality and moral value. Anyone with experience of debating or objection handling the vegan distracts and changes the subject.
IF Joey was to stop and listen he might not be a vegan anymore
Stop saying bullshit. The shit some people say are unbearable. I mean really. How can you say that pigs aren’t innocent. In what way is he aggresive? Man up you !!!
WOW this was great Joe. Great job
HE WAS SHOUTING AT HIM!! How is that a good job?
@@theultimatefortnitegamer6315 because he is right, do you defend animal abuse?
How much do you get out of this ?
Vegan Debate Death Squaaaaaaaaad
Wow! This debate has to be your best so far, you did amazing! I was so nervous at first xD
Would you talk about supplements? Is it necessary for a vegan to have a supplement intake in order to have a complete and healthy diet?
It’s not necessary as you can find all of these vitamins and nutrients in veg however having a diet that varied is expensive and hard work, so vitamins are always good as top ups haha. I’ve been vegetarian for 20 years and have never had any deficiency or health problems :)
My advice is to look at primate diets as we are not much different, our diets should be similar and you will feel better for eating like you should :)
THE BUTTERFEILD EFFECT
love it getting desperate at the end, where do you get your protein
Very well done Joey, I'm speechless.
Intelligence should be used to reduce suffering not create it.
Keep going Joey
They never shut up about protein do they.. :D
Rauzwaiz every argument ever! :D
And vegans won't shut up about"meat isn't healthy" bullshit do they?
becus it is quite true... to much meat aint good. fats and cholesterol
insert namehere most people don't eat meat everyday more like once a week or two
rayn anderson but again.... more vegan do not eat meat not because of health.... but instead is it moral to slaughter a living sentients for their flesh.
Again someone will debate on that. kthxbye
I am doing the challage to prove i could and it really has open my mind and eyes. Keep it up
Joey you are a legend 🙌
Woah, he actually listened. That's great!
You have so much commitment, determination and patience Joey - mad respect 👊🏼❤️🌱
nice to see. it helps me debate with some good come backs you made in this video. thanks
it's more than attack than debate.. :(
i would like to know how or who or what who gives or who makes moral values?
i am still learning, watched Mr Ed channel too
plants are living organisms and they dont have a say whether you garden eaters eat them or not
Living organisms are come in issue yet animals being exploited for food is the issue. Animals are NOT just OBJECTS to be murdered for humans convenience. STOP being a CARNIST! Carnism is a taught mind set & behavior in all cultures based on ignorance. Yet humans can EVOLVE beyond the norm of slaughter.
GOLDENFLY WARRIOR Jesus Christ you are a SAD human being. STOP using capital letters ALL THE TIME.
This was clearly a joke, why do you have to take this so serious XD
Animals eat loads of plants so it doesn’t make sense to eat both animals and plants.
Domestication of animals produces fertilizer for plants. Plus humans are omnivores... which means humans need the additional proteins supplied by occasional animal meat..... that plants often cannot reliably supply.
It's funny how the guy's poster says "Why love one, but eat the other?" when in other countries they'll gladly eat both a/or *anything*
in other countries they also practice female genital mutilation, stoning, honour killings, arranged marriages etc but i bet you wouldn’t want these things in western, civilised society right?
so bringing up what other countries do is not a valid argument
Keep up the good work Joey❤️!! Someday animals and humans will live together as friends. And it will all be because of people like you👍
Watching this while eating chicken
Jesus... 🙄
I went vegan 2 month's ago
@Greaser5550 unlucky she will be healthier, live longer and won't die from heart disease? Good one...
I hope you get cured soon
@Greaser5550 you clearly know nothing, the classic protein argument. You really think that the only source of protein is meat? All the protein originally comes from plants. and taste? Come on, all spices and herbs are plants, the only way food is tasteless is if your shit at cooking
If thrown in with a wild animal, they will not hesitate to harm or even kill you. Animals dont feel regret when they kill.
beny wolde that's cuz thyey don't understand
Well that depends on the speices of animal.
Dima Brovtchenko then they don't mind "imprisonment" and "slavery" because they "don't understand" . See the flaws in vegan logic?
Carnivorous animals will eat you. Farmed animals are not carnivorous, they are herbivorous. Pigs, cows, chicken and lambs have never done anything to hurt human beings.
No, carnivorous animals don't feel regret when they kill, because they don't posess moral agency and they are killing for need. Human beings kill for taste, and most of us can't even kill anything, that's why we pay somebody else to do it for us. If we see an animal suffering or in pain, we want to help them, we don't want to eat them. That's because we're not natural predators.
Well done joey u are amazing xx
I respect that he doesn’t let them team up on the guy speaking
You are so well versed. He refused to admit there is a difference between necessity and choice.
If you put as much effort into making a valid point, as much as you did calling this guy “bro” people might actually listen. This is the perfect example of a hyped up vegan forcing the same points down someone’s throat.
So do you have a counterargument?
Do you know an era where humans only eat plants? Or is it just now?
Why would we need to refer to history to judge what acts are moral. Just because people used to own slaves or women didn't have equal rights, doesn't mean we shouldn't pursuit the abolishment of these things in the future. The reason why plant based diets are popular just now is that for a vast majority of the people there is reasonable access to these diets as our technology has advanced.
bethany antcliffe you can tell hes an extremeist vegan because they take it personally
So the top and bottom of this whole debate is "time" then?? Ok great the time for change is now!!
Kudos Joey I applaud you, the piece on Barney CLASSIC 😂🤣💕 xx
Vegans are the best. 13 and almost fully vegan. Any tips on where to find more info for debates? My friends can be kinda mean about this and I'd like to find ways to get more knowledge.
I'm vegan...in South Africa. Now you know one.
Lol, you're not the only one🥦😂
He meant in real Africa like wild juggles and tribes
Just one? Fry's plant based foods are based in South Africa and as far as I'm aware, they're a family business of vegans. They make such bloody lush food, I recommend anyone to give them a try. All that gorgeous taste, innocent animals have died for it, and there's no bad cholesterol, triple win ; )
@@Johny40Se7en i am eating yummy meat, you filthy vegans , dont force your stupid views on us
@@Itsbalkarn we don't.
The big dude just standing there chilling like eh what ever.
Joey:TRIGGERED
@truthsetsyou4ree I'm not trying to make any valid points stupid, I was just making an observation
His only argument is morals, morals, morals shut tf up
@@redbullrebel2433 bro I'll talk all the want just cause I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not allowed to share my opinion on a public domain😂😂 😂
@truthsetsyou4ree bet
Looks like his oestrogen is pretty high from all those plants and making him emotional.
The way Joey looked at him like his head was about to explode 🤯 when that chap said "murder and rape is not a crime" 😄
Hi everybody reading this. I wanna make this as short, sweet and to the point as possible. Two months ago I became vegan basically because of Joey carbstrong and earthling Ed’s videos on RUclips as well as several documentaries they recommended that I watched (cowspiracy, dominion, and land of hope and glory). Now that I've realized the Atrocity that is animal agriculture and factory farming, I’ve decided to dedicate my whole life to the betterment of animals’ welfare, wellbeing, and freedom. So my overall plan right now is to emulate what Joey and Ed do in their videos and go to cities and downtown areas and share this message with people. I want to say something like “you can’t justify not being vegan… proove me wrong” on a cardboard cut out written in big letters! I’m writing this and commenting this on their videos in hopes of like minded people reading it and reaching out to me and wanting to talk and share our stories and our passion for animals and the betterment of the earth. I’ll be candid for a minute. My goal is to realistically meet others and meet up in person and be an actual activist and spread the message by doing a variation of what Joey and Ed are doing. If you’re interested, hit me up. My email is bseldridge95@gmail.com and my name is Brian. All the love in the universe to all you reading this
Well done, Brian. Keep going strong.
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I had my mouth open at his “arguments.” Seriously. It’s quite embarrassing tbh that I used to believe the same things that he does.
I did too. But I think that if I had the chance then to have a debate with Joey, I would immediately break. I really don't get how stubborn some people are when it comes to their so called arguments!
I feel like I never really believed any of this nonsense. I really ate meat because I saw it as food because that was the status quo. Once I realized how terrible it was four the environment, our health, and the animals I had to stop. I was disconnected but now I'm not. People like this guy are a looong way from veganism
Justin Carrubba Same however I did use some excuses even after I found out how bad animal agriculture was for the environment. I’m just glad I finally decided to try being vegan for a week. I didn’t go back.
Chi Zeus I’ll agree there. Especially with dairy products. Although dairy doesn’t just activate the pleasure centers of our brain because of taste. Dairy is literally addictive.
Chi Zeus Has nothing to do with a brain chemical. It's pure habit and stubbornness. Humans are not machines so don't try to act all scientific lol
particularly enjoyed the comparison of Barney and terrorists in Syria !
that big gentlemen really gave joey carbstrong a hard time
And it’s satisfying
That was an intense debate but amazing to watch how you fight for the animals always🙏🙏🙏
I love kfc
@@MichaelMyers66793 love the animals instead
@@AM-tb4fn I do in the kfc bucket
@@MichaelMyers66793 you can't love animals and eat them
@@AM-tb4fn well that’s just like saying you can’t love plants and eat them
It's not even too much of a debate when half of the time he doesn't let the older man speak his word or opinions/arguments. He interrupts him 80% of the time and doesn't let him finish.
Asim Zepcan that’s why he does it, when you enter a debate or an argument and you realise you are going to loose then all you do is just keep interrupting them so they can’t make their valid point
It’s purely talking points for the dude on the left. Nothing more, nothing less
to be honest, he was very respectful to you, that is rare to see, and at some point you were the one who was a little aggressive. Now I'm not saying that you style is wrong :D obviously it's been working really well, so keep it up, but I feel that he was very composed and if he were vegan could be such a great activist himself!
Baffled Vegan ur a good vegan
Exactly what I thought. His composure was far more adequate and factual although his utterances were not. Joey should alter his tone and gestures
Joeys a bit too blind. He's more of a talker than a listener. The guy is clearly narcissistic as shit.
udon tuna we need all kind of activists, but I can imagine if you are like joey a full time Activist this is your whole world, you become possessed by it :(
Baffled Vegan Fuck you all I'll eat meat forever. How about go be an activist for Homeless people on a street who have no food.
Awesome Joey! You are so good at debating for the animals and veganism! I haven't seen anyone better! Well done!
One of my top 3 joey debates
One is calm and show respect and have good manners while discussing. The other is just aggressive and won’t listen. One is open for a debate and the other isn’t. So in fact this isn’t a discussion it’s more a way for one person to force his own opinion upon someone else.
It only seemed aggressive to you since you have emotional investment in your current lifestyle and don't like your views challenged. Admittedly he spoke more than the farmer, BUT he only did so because he wanted to clarify his arguments and reasoning. The farmer could have easily walked away if he wanted to, but he chose to stay and he didn't seem to object or feel threatened/insulted in any way. Yes, I agree. He is passionate. However, often people may wrongly mistake passion for aggression. Could he have been more calm? Absolutely, he could. Everybody can always do better in a certain situation. But I wouldn't say that he was immature or "aggressive".
Hes emotionally invested in his life style?? He was aggressive in his rebuttles. The key to a good debate is to not go into it with personal attacks and preconceived opinions. You just did exactly the same thing. The only reason someone could possibly disagree with you is because theres something wrong or immoral about them that causes them to see things differently. Id never debate with this guy because hes extremely closed minded. Not only was he proven wrong afew hundred times, alot of what he says is factually incorrect, whenever the other guy makes a good point, its straight to the personal attacks and completely negates his point. Humble is being open to other perspectives, open to factual and scientifically correct information and being able to handle someone proven you wrong. This guy is far from humble. Hes a dick who forces people inti discussion wont listen to what they say, berrate them and force his beliefs down their throats.
Pretty sure he listened, or else he wouldn't make sense in his responses.
@@arefrigerator396 That doesn't mean he listened. Have you ever had a debate with someone that manipulates what you;re trying to say and constantly takes it out of cotnext and they just refuse to hear you out? Yep, thats whats happening here. It's not one man listening and taking in what the others saying. It's one man refusing consider another point of view and behaving like a brick wall.
@@raeleo1hodges282 it doesn't help when the big fulla contradicts a lot of what he says anyway. There's never any sense of letting someone go off on their condradictions when your intent is getting a message across. It's obvious (to me) that the big dude needed more validation on the information and I think it was great that Joey provided him the links and information after and I've got a lot of respect for both guys. I think the big fulla is a really friendly guy who recognises in himself what he's doing isn't a particularly good thing. You can see it when he makes comments about himself and he doesn't have a very high opinion of himself. Joey had more good to say about the guy than he had himself.
Joey: "2+2=4" Farmer: "how'd you work that one out"? 😆
Truth
@bradley hall State the fallacy.
Honestly, vegan debaters like this have so much stamina. It must feel like runningba marathon after doing 3 of these debates in a row
Amazing