Vegan Vs. Christian
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2017
- A Christian man argues in favour of killing animals because he believes God put them here for us to use. We discuss this during the Q&A following a speech I gave in Norway. Things get pretty heated...
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Cruelty to animals is as if man did not love God ... there is something so dreadful, so satanic, in tormenting those who have never harmed us, and who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power.
- Cardinal John Henry Newman
satanic is the best way to describe what we're doing to animals
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Young Wonderer All one can do is the best they can, and I would wager taking animals off the plate is a good start. You might not be able to move to another induatrialized country right away, but we can vote "No" with our dollar to violence and opression, and I think most would agree thats a start in the right direction. Capitalism IS savage and IS destroying us. I believe the word itself is actually dervived from the greek word "capita" which means "head of cattle", which was appropriately used in the jargon of the old days. So capitalism and agriculture are pretty fused as it is. .... If it makes money, it makes sense right??? as long as we advance industrially , no matter what the price, we should be greatful and thankful for our industrialized nation, right??? We are born as free no matter what government rules over us. Your argument is sad...
+Young Wonderer nothing that you've said changes anything, I'm saying its satanic because it is, because approximately one in ten cows goes down a processing line alive, that means they are dismembered and skinned fully conscious. Vegans don't claim to be perfectionists, vegans do the best they can where it is realistically possible, meat eaters don't do the best they can at all
"If this was the 1500s your argument wouldn't have a single leg to stand on" its not the 1500s, and its not the 70s either
Young Wonderer So everyone should just contribute to factory farming and not care? The planet's resources are being exploited to provide people with a flavor in their mouths and people like you want no one to care so you don't have to think about the morality of your consequences. Wow. There's a reason heart disease is the number one killer. Eventually people will have to wake up and see that their selfish choices are negatively affecting their health, the planet, and non human animals.
i'm a christian vegan and these arguments just made me so mad. although, Jesus tells us to love, so, lets do It. and no, God didnt create animals for our taste, he put Adam and Eve in a garden with lots of fruits and veggies, not in a steak house.
Ellen Lima yes. even though I'm not a practicing Christian, I remember God tolerated the eating of animals after the flood.
Well the flood is gone now, so we should leave those innocent creatures be!
N. E yeah, specially with all the good food we have to eat
Then tell me Ellen, wich book that that man read? Is it different that your book of christian rules and facts? Or all you al using different fucking books? Or... ARE YOU JUST TO DUMB TO SEE THAT YOU BELIEF IS FULL OF SHIT?
Dougy doug 😓
Ellen Lima
I think it's crazy that you still believe in a god that allows such cruelty to his creation. Surely a caring god would stop such madness. Oh, but he is mysterious...
"7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." ~ Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
God creates darkness and evil. Then he forms light and makes peace as a problem reaction solution... He creates the problem, humans react, then he has the solution.
"You shouldn't hurt animals, we just kill them, bleed them out and cut them up into edible pieces. But we don't *hurt* them."
Literally the "logic"...
He basicly said: We men are born to abuse the world that the god i believe in created...
James Aspey as a video you should watch cringey vegan compilations and look at the debates in the comments. It's pretty frustrating as a vegan.
Do you really believe they do not wipe out entire species and genes of
animals, plants, and insects, while they grown all those "healthy"
grains and fruits for you, gentle people? They kills unique asian
elephants not because of meat, but because of plants, you hypocrites.
+thewhite8uard animal ag is the leading cause of species extinction. If we didn't dedicate so much land for such a unnecessary and pollutive industry we'd have plenty of land to dedicate to growing plants to eat
"When I shoot an animal in the head I'm putting it out of it's misery"... Yes, I'm sure that deer was so miserable foraging for food with it's family...
And we wonder why we have a coronavirus, human beings are the virus. Full of hate and murder, you live by the sward your die by it
@@guest1688 Why aren't you after hearing that?
@@jaccidixon8093 you must be a atheist
humble haymakers why do you say that.. People have lost the love of animals for us to be in unity with them. Our hearts have become very hard.
There are many who are the true children of Father, they will be the ones that don't kill as it's written in the Book the good news
@@TheWarrior68 what's wrong with that
What an elliptical conversation. Props to your patience brother.
Oh James, I feel your frustration with that simpleton.
you are a mean human being
BlueIsPeace why
K CH creampie
Janoy Cresva oh ok
If THIS was you 'getting angry' then you're the most patient vegan on RUclips. Really well done :)
ikr I probably would've punched him in the face or something ^^'
Guys, always remember to keep the great manners, otherwise no one will be willing to change his behaviour :)
Fabian I disagree. Manners are for pussies. There are people out there, like myself for example, that do not require hand holding and kindness to be convinced of something.
Francois Dillinger Sure but if you begin attacking people personally, they are litterally personally offended. They won't listen to you. They will get angry and don't want to even think about what you say. Remember that most of us used to be as stupid/ignorant as them and we have to get them to think for themselves, not *force* our believes on them (you see what i did there?).
Jimmy and Fabian it sounds like you guys are both a couple of pussies and only know other pussies. No offense of course. If someone is so much of an idiot that they are unable to handle dissenting opinions that are not spoonfed to them, I don't care to waste my time on such filth. Nor is it likely that they have the mental capacity to actually change their mind on something they are so emotional about. It has nothing to do with attacking people personally. Just speaking truth to people that might not want to hear it. If someone takes it personally when you point out they are wrong to the point where they are unable to process it without handholding, they are not acting reasonably or thinking logically. As for people being unable to change their minds when spoken to without manners, that is projection on your part. Plenty of people have changed their minds or been convinced of things without being treated like idiotic children. Not everyone is a fragile little snowflake.
His patience is incredible relative to what this guy was saying.
It's so refreshing to hear a vegan not try and sympathise with the religious for a change.
I must admit I am glad I finally know how to attack religious arguments avoiding the god debate
Veganism is the biggest religion.
Cap
@@chosengod5943 Its not, but even if it is, the religion of love, compassion and benevolence... SIGN ME IN!
* *Yells asking why you are raising your voice* *
exactly... If that guy also had a mic, James wouldn't be able to say a word for an hour, that guy was rambling and rambling, finding excuse after excuse
*Talks about God asking why hes bringing Religion into it*
the dude was yelling the entire time LOL
james jamas LOLOLOLOLOL
*Complains tha Aspey keeps using the same argument, but keeps saying that God created animals for our use over and over again*
Been vegan for 44 years, for the animals. I'm 79 not on any medications also clean and sober. I need young people like this who can debate humbly yet authentically - I just get tongue tied and cry; or I was put down for mentioning ethics and environment at a Veg potluck last night. We are certainly not the superior species. Thanks
we are far superior, the human brain is the single most valuable, unique, and important thing we know of as far as the known universe. This guy used shitty bait like womens fake oppression and slavery/jim crow to compare with animals.
Dang bro, u fucking got me. I'm bleeding.
YOYOYO mynaem FFS. Intelligence doesn’t determine someone’s worth. It has no influence on whether that living being feels pain. If you apply that logic to people then I guess anyone who has a low IQ or has learning difficulties wouldn’t have as much right to their life as a person who doesn’t. It’s about the ability suffer. It isn’t anymore complicated than that. The arrogance of human beings constantly trying to separate themselves based on species, colour, gender, colonisation and so on is exactly why we have had such inequalities throughout existence. The mentality that we can do what the hell we like is a selfish egoic state of being and isn’t something to be proud of.
It's arrogant to concede that people of different races perform at different levels, develop different societies, and that we as flawed beings need to be humbled by that fact and not force people to associate with each other? LOL what a dumb bitch.
Your comment is really inspiring. 44yrs vegan is amazing. I’m at 11 and will be for the rest of my life:)
“You wanna kill when you know you don’t have to. And that’s what makes me sad. “ damn I almost cried. 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽
Truuuue. That was basically the dudes argument. "I want to kill, and God said every animal who is more voulnerable than me is placed before me to feast on"
What unbelievable arrogance, right?
If there is a God, he will surely look apon those who lived in mercy, love, compassion and only goodness to all who we could choose to dominate and use for our selfish gains, and uplift them.
Those who contributed to the world with even more violence and suffering, just out of greed, probably wouldn't be as appretiated..
If you stand before someone who is smaller or weaker than you, and you can choose to either care for them and love them, or you can chose to selfishly dominate them for your personal gain - your choice pretty much determines your humanity.
A child and a peaceful grass-eating animal are the two most physically and emotionally voulnerable beings you can stand before. As the bigger person, we should choose to not abuse that position. That determines our humanity, I believe :)
@@fromeveryting29 this is stupid I don't mean to be mean but u can't just make a relgon change and I promise you that and it is not cruel it is putting it out of it's bad life
@@zoeyedmonds1858 How so? Have any good arguments?
Why are you clapping 😆😆
@@zoeyedmonds1858 She's obviously clapping because what he said was spot on.
05:25 Man screaming: Why are YOU losing it!?
Lol, that was a grose lack of selfinsight. He is screaming himself and clearly lost it already.
people who don't know how to agree are irritating. they seem to think that if you become angry that means they have won, and they get to play the victim. the subtle digs he made at James would be an ad hominem, but i'd prefer to just call it being a dick.
Now I know why you need to meditate so much. Keep it up brother
Now you know!! Hahaha
Banana Beard Meditating doesn't bring fulfilment
The patience of this man, Amazing
howiboy agreed!
Lolllll, totally agree.
*SHOUTS* "YOU ARE RAISING YOUR VOICE"
Oh dear😂😂
:D
Voice vs microphone though
He keeps saying, "That animal was for my nourishment." Incredible! James was wonderful here, even though he apologizes at one point and admits to not being perfect.
I love when James shows his muscle proving his point that we don’t need animals for our nourishment. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@@cheshdagamer894 Are you talking about B12? Because every diet requires that vitamin, not just the vegan diet. And a lot of diets, meat eaters included, do not get enough B12 and still have to take the supplement.
@@cheshdagamer894 Where does b12 come from? You really think animals get it naturally anymore? They don't. They're given it, then you eat them. We cut out the middle man. Oh also you get to have all the antibiotics they're given. Sounds really healthy.
@@cheshdagamer894 Who cares about it? Probably the 95% of people who get their meats from factory farms. Good luck finding the space to feed the world on grassfed animals.
@@cheshdagamer894 If you really let people eat the diet they want to eat without demonizing them. You wouldn't be on this channel commenting in the first place. Nice try bud.
@@cheshdagamer894 Yeah you really don't understand how the food supply works. Factory farmed animals (yes the only realistic way for the majority to get meat) are fed more crops than would be necessary to feed humans alone. You can go look it up if you want. You're being disingenuous though so I'm done trying to explain things to you. You don't want to hear anything, just argue.
I rarely comment on videos but I have to say this.
I have faith in God but I don’t eat meat. Not all Christians (or people of any faith for that matter) are as dense as the man in this video. Listening to him talk was extremely frustrating.
BraziBros thanks for this comment. Videos like this make me wanna resent all religious people, but you reminded me you're not all so bad!
Are you of any particular denomination? Adventist?
Atheist/agnostic, i grew up catholic though
I agree I believe that animals were not out here for our use and consumption. God put greens fruits and grain of thousands of varieties for that purpose. If ever there was a reason for people to eat meat hundreds of years ago, there is no reason for us to do it now. Every religion teaches mercy to animals and equates the consumption of flesh with greed and weakness of faith so why are religious zealots so blinded and blood thirsty today?
Agreed. But I hate that the title makes it seem like all Christians agree with this man
"so do I"
"No you don't"
Perfect 😂
"for my nourishment"....such arrogance and violence!
Facts, not feelings...
People like him have no clue about nutrition! They all heard that phrase somewhere in the 70's in an advertisement for meat and still believe this crap without a single doubt...it is ridiculous!
Love from India.🇮🇳
You are doing a great job..!!
THUMBS WAY UP James. I expected to see you flip out by how you were talking yesterday, but on the contrary I think you kept it together quite well - you always came back with a rational statement, and you didn't curse.
That is me flipping out haha. Actually, I think the part that wasn't recorded was probably the most heated but still, it wasn't much worse.
I agree, way to go James! I would not call that flipping out. I feel your frustration. Job well done for being so calm in the midst of negativity.
James Aspey you held it together very well good on u mate!
totally agree! he was so respectful and loving!
luxconcept absolutely! And it's 100% ok to be speak so passionately too! I sure as hell would not have done as well as James esp being jet lagged! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙌🏻✌🏻 JAMES is doing the Community so proud x
James man ur speeches are so inspiring and persuasive! If someone asks about veganism i pretty much always bring u up in the conversation. Keep doing what ur doing, spreading the message to the mislead. Much love bro!
Thanks a lot Izaak!
Sarah Martin Which speech did you see? Was it the "this is your wake up call" one?
Sarah Martin I thought "best speech you'll ever hear" was by Gary Yourofsky lol
3 days vegan. Please keep posting these clips. This guy made me feel sick & determination was 100% increased. I’m so broken I didn’t ever fight against this cruelty 😥
Thank you for your veganism! You are on the right side of history :)
Stay strong Stay Vegan , Cruelty to all sentient beings must be stopped, humans can thrive without eating the flesh of a corpse, your money wont be supporting this Cruel industry.
I am a Christian but this one folk is sooo unaware 😒 i applaud how you stayed composed and calm... thanks for being the voice of these animals...
I respected your opinion but it is wrong not to use all of God's resources including meat
@zoeyedmonds1858 So you think the selectively bred animals made by humans to be fatter and produce more milk/eggs are God's resources? You'd have to go back in time way back to get your true "God's Resources". Even then you are saying you'd do it because you are saying your God thinks it's okay to unecessarily kill intelligent sentient beings who feel pain and want to live. I'm sorry but who would want to follow that cruel God other than people who want to be just as cruel?
You did such a wonderful job with that ignorant troll.
thrivesurvive 😂😆😄
You handled it like a pro. He made himself sound like a fool and contradicted himself multiple times.
"Everyone loves animals until they hear the word vegan, then they'll argue tooth and nail why it's acceptable to abuse them."
I saw the video saying you lost it here. This is ridiculously tame compared to what I expected based on your response. Props for being composed and calm even in your heated moments!
That bloke's absolutely delusional.
Everyone is delusional in some aspect man
you have the patience of a zen monk.
It's fortuitous you didn't write TIBETAN monk. ;)
F.I.S.H Paragraph 35. Food in the mode of purity promotes good physical and mental health. Such foods include (above all) fruits, vegetables, nuts, pulses, grains, roots, stumps (e.g. pineapple), flowers (e.g. cauliflower), seeds, herbs and of course purified water (or milk in the case of infants). Milk is intended solely for consumption by infants of the same species. Cow’s milk is for baby cows, not adult humans. The logic is overwhelming.
Foods in the mode of passion promote indigestion and overly-excite the mind. Such foods are basically the same as above but with excessive amounts of oil, spices, salt and/or other condiments added. Most drugs such as caffeine, alcohol, black tea and narcotics (though hardly food) fall into this category.
Food in the mode of darkness cannot rightly be called food at all. Such offal is putrid, decayed, overcooked or the remnants of another’s meal. Unnecessarily killing and/or consuming animals is an abominable action. It is not natural for humans to put dead animals like sheep, cows, chicken and fish inside their mouths. Sheep and cows are food for carnivorous animals such as lions, tigers and wolves and fish is food for marine and semi-aquatic species. Do humans live in the ocean? Of course not! Then why is it necessary for us to go into the water to find our food? Is that sensible? Not at all.
To read the remaining thirty-nine paragraphs of “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, which the God of all gods has graciously given to His Prophet on Earth, email:
the1965@hotmail.com
with the acronym “FISH” in the subject field.
Alex Farrell I agree!! 👊
I'm glad I watched this . I'm 40 years old and I wish this younger man was my dad . What a leader someone give him a bigger stage .
He handled it so well! I find myself lost in admiration for him and to the conclusion of the interaction itself :)
Yuck, that's a Christian? I am too, but I do not believe animals were "created for our consumption." It was definitely a process for me to get to this place and to see that we don't need to eat animals to be healthy. But now and even before I went vegan I just can't really imagine God up there happy about our ignorance to the pain and suffering of these precious animals. If I was God I would cherish them along with my humans.
Amen!!!
Eat my sausage!😇
I noticed u brought no Bible verse to prove ur argument, GOD'S Word is the Authority. 1Timothy 4 1-4
@@stewmeat92 Nope. I have tons of verses supporting a vegan diet, and a retort to Timothy. God made us vegan, and we will all be vegan once again. Here's two different sites to show this:
Edenrestored.ca where I retort your Timothy verse, and swords2plowshares.com/
Stewmeat Thank you! Wonderful scripture to show God’s position on eating meat. Verse 5 should be included, “For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” From Eden...God killed sheep to cloth Adam and Eve...to Galilee...Jesus killing, cooking, and eating fish on the banks of the river, God condoned eating meat.
I think I felt my blood pressure rise just listening to this guy. You had solid logic and he had nothing on you, just repeating over and over his same argument based in his ignorant belief that animals were put here for us. I clapped when you said humans are the stupidest species. So true. Although I feel proud reading all the positive comments in here. Much love
Karen omg me too! Arghh
You're amazing brother! I'm sure that it planted a huge seed of compassion for ALL animals.
Cheers bro!
Well, that was incredibly frustrating. You were way calmer than most people would have been. Excellent points made and hopefully he will think on it and change. This is a perfect example of our conditioning to this horrific industry.
Thank you so much James for representing. You are so appreciated.
Was this you who spoke? Man you are so assertive. You speak calmly and clearly. A lot that I can learn from you. Keep up the good work.
I saw frustration and passion, not anger and someone who "lost it." I thought you argued intelligently and with conviction against someone who wasn't ready to hear you. Xxx
Ren likes Red same here, agree 100%
It’s honestly so refreshing watching people like James who has the same views as I do. I sometimes feel crazy and like the only one in the world with these views when I discuss it in person with meat eaters.
"The purpose of man; Greed" Isn't greed a sin though? Like one of the sins in the bible?
That's right, I think he's lost somewhere. The Bible also makes a clear distinction between humans and animals, yet the guy agrees with mr vegan on humans being animals, so it kinda contradicts what he claims to believe 🤔
@@CommandoCo
Humans being animals is a modern idea. That's where the disconnection exists. The scriptures don't seem to say man is an animal. In our modern era where everything is explained through and about the material realm, the only explanation for mankind is a material explanation. Anything divine has been rejected by our generation. Yet that rejection will ultimately eliminate the objective reasons for morality. Morality requires a standard beyond us, because we aren't perfectly moral and fail and fail to be that standard. God as the giver of morality gives all an objective basis of morality. If God is "dead" as Nietzsche put it, then humanity is floating in a river with no paddle or compass. We will just make up our morality without any objective foundation or purpose. Abortion of tens of millions of babies is an example of that.
I think he meant man makes his purpose to be greed, rather than that being man's actual ultimate purpose. Because he sounds like he sympathizes with the pollution and breakdown of nature through pollution.
He's just a selfish ass trying to justify his bad behavior
@@prayunceasingly2029 Ah right, because I stopped caring about animals and doing moral things the day I said "I'm no longer religious". Are you that narrow minded? We have morals and they're based on EMPATHY. You should try it. Whenever people stray from the moral path, it's always due to a lack of empathy. We don't need fancy "objective morality" to come tell us what to do when it's right in our heart, as long as we let it be.
Wow James... in my opinion, you kept your cool which looked EXTREMELY hard to do in this situation with that particular individual. You're an inspiration man.
I should really have a blood pressure monitor on right now. My blood is boiling. I'm sorry James. But for every him, there are thousand of us that stand beside you with the animals. Keep it up. xo
The ending made me tear up. So right and powerful!
That man is on another level, I love your calmness the way you handled intense conversation.
IT IS BECAUSE I AM A CHRISTIAN THAT I AM A VEGAN - LOVE IS LOVE !
Yeah all Christians should go vegan, I don’t think god wants us to needlessly kill and torture his animals.
Mario Peterson , AMEN !
Justin Smith Well all men have the light of Christ in them, which basically means everyone has an idea of what’s right and wrong. With everything I know about veganism, I feel right going back to eating animals and their produce. Genesis 1:29 is a good verse for promoting veganism. Are you a vegan yourself?
Justin Smith no meat is clean, it’s all filled with horrible stuff. Pls don’t be that person that says it’s healthy because it has protein
Mario Peterson , no one should be killing and eating animals ! and all animals are clean and good ! STOP KILLING ! STOP EATING OTHERS ! WE ARE ALL ANIMALS !
muscle looking nice lol i know off topic vegan gains!
Vegan gains are always on topic!
whoa, you're seriously the most patient person. Your are perfect to spread the message. I would have cut that short right out of the gate. Way to go James!!! Hats off, not everyone can do what you do.
greed is our purpose??!! WTF
I haven't shouted at the screen this much since the last season of the Bachelor. Shitttttt WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE! Their arguments are becoming more and more invalid. Thank you for doing what you do! You're amazing!
You lost all credibility after saying Bachelor but I know your logic is of the female so I can't blame you.
you are even more fucked up than the bigot that was interviewed!
Only Ethical Yay!
+Mark Rosado You lost all credibility after saying "but I know your logic is of the female".
only ethical well its cos they walk with their eyes shut to avoid admiting the real truth.
but in time he will stop think of what he has heard and have a mind change and slowly open his eyes .
i have mett many ppl in life and at times they pass by my life from no where , thanking me to help them become vegan . thats they wished theyd listen done it years ago.
this guy has a gift of voice and his words are strong ,
even if he where to whisper he could be heard from a far.
i think he will pass by many ignorent ppl and open their eyes ,
Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.” ― Lao Tzu
anger solves no boundries
no kindness
no remorse
no peace
no grace.
waist not your energy on the careless and ignorant fools , by anger but with action of understanding
kindnes
calmness.
Humans we speak with our bodys and talk with our minds.
we mimic each other unknowingly,
compassion is not anger ,
Proof that you can't argue with idiots. You're so mature. I would've lost it.
I lost it like 200 times watching this ... this guy is a complete idiot
@@deyvidkomsiyski9033 I wouldn't say he is a complete idiot, just a man trying to find a good cause to fight for.. but is misguided, a bit on the naive side, i wouldn't say ignorant he been through some things in life and that can give you some wisdom, i guess veganism helped him find a greater cause than himself thus he found something that help him belong. Btw im not vegan nor i support veganism, not even christian. im just an observer, i would say tho his demeanor changed when he heard a man of god speaking of truth at beginning, which is a classic knee jerk reaction when you dont want to deal or hear truth but instead you want to go around it, you could see it clearly. That Christian man spoke with compelling and more logical rhetoric.
@@Phantom-ez4zv Ecclesiastes 3:18-21
I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but animals. For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the animals is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the animals, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the animals goes down into the earth?
The Sprite Show you must be a little slow mate.
Wow!! One of the best interactions I've watched so far, especially how you've ended it :)
Thanks so much for everything you do!
Thank you for this! It must be so hard and this guy was running in circles in this discussion.
Nope in the Bible animals was created first, then humans. They were not created for us. Even the Bible state we are supposed to eat plant based. The first time God gave humans permission to eat meat was after the great flood and the earth was covered in water. God gave permission to go kill and eat during hard times. But yet this guy just eats and never kills. We Christian forget that in Bible times, their was no guns or mass farming of animals. I have issues with this argument too with my non vegan Christian friends. I just don't understand people can argue they need to kill and eat animals, but yet they don't want to be the one killing these animals.
Moms Simple Life exactly this!
You also forget that Jesus died for our sins so that we would be forgiven by God and because of this we must now follow the New testament when Jesus walked the earth.
you must have not read when then the Bible *tells* us that God created animals to be companions for us. yes, animals were created for man[kind]. *But* they were not created with the intent to be our food at that time.
I blame the system. They have stolen and now control all the natural resources. It's even illegal to use rain water. We are disconnected from nature.
Wasn't Abel the first person on earth to kill an animal?
I totally understand why you lost your temper. I would have done the same he was just there to provoke you. He obviously was not there to get someting out of it.
It seems as though he was trying to provoke anger in James so he could discard everything he has said and pretend he's just some angry vegan dude. I feel like if it were me, I might've had to take a few minutes out, because just hearing these few minutes of his outbursts was so irritating.
Coralie Salvon I think he was just genuinely not getting it
It’s so hard to get through to people who want to start a discussion but don’t want to hear what the other person has to say. I completely understand where your frustration came from. Keep preaching 💛
James you are an incredible patient inspirational man. Thank you for all you do, you inspire so many. I don't know how you do it but you remained calm and dignified even when this sad person tried his best to aggravate you. You are amazing and thank you for all your work and especially under such difficult circumstances too.
Brother, from your previous video I know you were being hard on yourself regarding this incident, but I think you handled it perfectly!
You were being unapologetic in your stance while still showing enormous generosity and understanding to an obvious troll. What you gave was an appropriate response to such irrational thinking and dishonest derailing tactics. I believe just as important as being peaceful, composed and respectful, it's equally important to simply be real. Vegans are humans and humans aren't joyful all the time. All emotions are valid. Here you expressed frustration and anger more elegantly than most people can hope to achieve in such a situation.
I probably was being a bit hard on myself but that's just because I know I could of handled it better and usually do. But thanks!
Thank you for being so controlled and peaceful in this discussion. I really admire that!
i love his flex when he talks about nourishment and not having eaten animals for years.
I'm standing here infront of my computer and giving you standing ovations, James! Such discussions with no understanding are so hard! Thanks for your great work. It inspires me how to discuss the next time...
I have to say that I absolutely LOVED the way that you handled this. I would have lost my mind! This is something that I find is so common and the debate about God creating animals for us to eat never ends. Great job James and I actually liked seeing you get a bit heated. It's nice to know that you are not always calm and composed :). Makes me feel better :). Thank you for all that you do.
Another Christian who has not actually read the Bible properly. If he had then he would know that it teaches that God's original intent for man was to eat a vegan diet. Yes, man is given dominion (rule = responsibility), but in the very next verse it reveals that dominion was only to be held in conjunction with a plant based diet. This is chapter one of the Bible, how can Christians not know this basic stuff? Granted the Bible later goes on to give permission for humans to kill animals for food, after the flood, but no where in the Bible does it ever suggest that animals were created for mans use.
Philip Guyott omg, bro I need to read the bible I can prove so many stupid Christians wrong.
Philip Guyott I agree that the man who started the discussion fully didnt understand the word. Me being vegetarian and completely disagree with animal cruelty...and that man saught out his own inventions...creating the glorious mess we are in now. I have nothing against a meat eater (the industry...yes) because in his word (Rom 14) Paul said Not to despise or judge him that eateth or eateth not. You mention that there is no text that says God allowed men to eat meat....but in Leviticus 11 1-47 ...verse 2 starts of with "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying...These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts of the earth....Again, I dont agree with the cruelty of these animals...I dont eat meat myself....but I do understand that they are here for us...but not in this manner of how men have turned it into.
Yes, we are supposed to be stewards over the earth. That means taking care of it. Using resources responsibly and sustainably, having compassion for every living thing. It doesn't mean raping, pillaging, destroying, abusing resources in order to indulge your appetite for flesh. We slowly commit suicide because we can't stop eating the stuff, and our bodies can't process it. That's what it has become. Leviticus is talking about what is clean and unclean to eat. Anything that is produced in the modern meat industry is inherently unclean. People shower every day and use hand sanitizer. Yet they eat meat. If you could see where that @#$% comes from, you wouldn't put it in your mouth! Ugh! I am a believer. In Yeheshua, the son of God, the Messiah. I do not take part in any religion. The Church is another institution that has become far removed from it's original form and purpose. The man in the crowd is saying but it's all about me what I need for my self. That right there goes against Christ teaching. You are supposed to put others needs before your own. The needs of third world people to feed their family. The need for our children to have a healthy planet to live on in the future. The animals have a right to life free from confinement and rampant deliberate cruelty, ending in a slow painful death. The question we need to ask ourselves is what would Jesus do? The Lord, my Lord would be vegan himself, I betcha. He'd be standing next to James saying Amen! Preach it brother! He would.
Andi In Cali. Bravo! I totally agree with you! I'm an older person who stopped going to church after 25 years of being a dedicated born again Christian due to all the corruption. That was 12 years ago, since then I don't identify with any particular denomination anymore. I became a vegan 1 1/2 yrs ago and now find the self-serving attitude of most Christians regarding animals hard to accept. It's one thing when we are ignorant of what factory farming is like as we are conditioned to not ever think about it, but once we know I can't understand how some remain indifferent. I have to admit I didn't make all the changes overnight, it took for my worsening health to corner me and a friend who was doing a 30-day challenge to be the catalyst but my conscience had made me feel bad during the approximate 1 1/2 yrs after I saw just some clips about the abuse in "Food, Inc.", but I did reduce my consumption of meat significantly though.
Joel It's a fallen world. We just get further and further down the road away from God's original intent for us as time goes on. Did the Devil tempt Eve with a steak? No. Jesus lived 2000 years ago. They culled animals from their herds that lived with them. Outoors eating grass, being allowed to be a cow or a goat or whatever while it lived. They looked an animal in the eye as they slit it's throat. That is not how it is today. You buy your meat prepackaged at the store having no idea where it came from. Look up factory farming on You Tube. If you dare, it's hard to watch. Also I recommend "The Sustainability Scam: How Diet is Far more than "Personal Choice" by Lifting The Veil, Cullen Smith. I started this as a Daniel fast. You know eliminating certain foods. He ate no meat drank no wine and ate only simple foods. Your body is a temple. You should take care of it. Eating meat the way we do in modern times, all day every day is not healthy. I'm not faulting people who eat meat or saying it's sinful necessarily. It is for me, having researched this topic, Positively revolting.
“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” -Genesis 1:30
“The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent-its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain.” -Isaiah 65:25
The second one has to be metaphorical about the snake though, right? I've interacted with many snakes and they're beautiful creatures. I've even held a ball python which was similar in behavior and friendliness to a dog. Reptiles are cool.
@Come Out Of Her My People And Jesus continued: "God commanded your forefathers: 'Thou shalt not kill.' But their heart was hardened and they killed. Then Moses desired that at least they should not kill men, and he suffered them to kill beasts. And then the heart of your forefathers was hardened yet more, and they killed men and beasts likewise. But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also. And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. (The Essene Gospel of peace)
@Come Out Of Her My People Truth is what makes sense to you. In my eyes you can't eat meat and believe in Jesus at the same time. Jesus is love, killing animals isn't.
@Come Out Of Her My People Even if he ate some, the world was different back then. There were no animal factorys and nobody ate meat on a weekly or even daily basis. The times are changing, when Jesus comes back to earth, he would not visit an animal factory, he will not eat meat. Back then there wasn't a diversity of food, now we have all possibilitys. Jesus extended the former laws, we can be better than the former people.
@Come Out Of Her My People Do what you can reconcile with your conscience, but if only one animal sits in the last judgment, it looks bad for you, I wish you God's blessing
This was incredible, thank you James, for doing what you are doing, you hit every point right on.
I feel so sorry for you hahaha. I'm just watching this and that guy is doing my head in. I've got so much respect for you honestly, you're doing a fabulous job
i have never shouted so much in my life to the screen, cuddos james for you to be this patient
Wow. That was painful. Well done.
James "raising his voice" is literally the equivalent of someone talking normally, you can literally hear how kind is soul is through his voice - an inspiration to us all
James I commend you. Even though you almost dropped the F bomb (which made me have a little chuckle), and even though you were getting a bit feisty, you still kept your composure. You kept your cool. I would not have been able to keep it together like you did. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but his comments were driving me nuts listening to them. In the end you brought it home with a powerful ending statement and message. I just want to say a big thank you for everything you do for the animals and for us xx
the best part was "so thanks for your question" at the end. really though, great job with that guy. you handled it well.
I just saw a fkn Primo ham advert just before this video. Keep up the great work!
I'm a devout traditionalist Catholic vegan and this was painful to watch. The man in the crowd does not think logically.
I am a chirstian use to eat meat but i stop eating meat for a reason. I watched videos of animals being killed and slaughter for meat. They cry in pain and it hurts me deep inside. You are right, animals does have feelings and have a family, i feel sorry for these animals. You inspired me James and keep spreading the message around the world
This misinformed/uneducated guy had no argument. And he has clearly never read the Bible if he is still asking these questions in regards to veganism. I am HAPPILY Christian & Vegan :)
Macnastyyyy genesis 9
God had just flooded the entire earth and all there was left was all the animals on the boat. OBVIOUSLY God granted they could eat them because there was nothing for them to eat. Before the great flood every human was vegan. The oldest man to ever live was Methuselah and he followed a vegan diet. 969 years old.
(Romans 14 : 2, 3) "One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him." No floods or food shortages; plenty of plant sources of food yet God still welcomes carnists.
Macnastyyyy you are adding you opinion to the scripture. It doesn't say that.
How about the fact that in the garden of Eden, the original diet was a vegan diet. They didn't kill animals. That was NEVER God's intention. And way to use this verse out of context. Read the verses around it. Don't just choose what's convenient for you.
James thank you so much for sharing this! The realness is amazing 🙏 we should each be able to admit when we have gone too far, but so many people just double down on that anger.
I really admire your patience and ability to keep your cool through all of this. I get so angry that I struggle to have nornal conversations about it with people..😂🤦🏽♀️
If anyone on here has suggestions of ways to help and get involved like this, I'd love some ideas!! I've been having a hard time finding animal rights organizations that I trust. Too much corruption everywhere
Wow, absolutely blown away with the way you handled this. Mad respect James!
As a person of faith, I thoroughly appreciated your comments. Thank you, James, for making them. I do not feel that you lost it. There is nothing wrong with being passionate about life. You weren't disrespectful. You tried to engage in conversation - a very needful conversation. You did your best to be kind, and considerate. Thank you for that. You absolutely allowed him his own autonomy. That is incredibly respectful. However, I think that people of faith have a hard time with subjects like these because everything hinges on something else and to take away one piece risks unraveling it all.
The way the Bible was presented to this man caused him to believe that he was fulfilling his "Manifest Destiny", and to realize that it was something else, was a jagged pill for him to swallow. In that moment, he was realizing that if it was wrong for him to kill animals, then it was wrong for his parents and grandparents, etc. to do the same. He has most likely been raised to revere those people, and he was suddenly presented with an opportunity to indict them. That's a slippery slope for him because if his parents were wrong, then maybe everyone was wrong. Maybe they weren't so godly. Maybe they weren't the good, innocent people that his faith needed them to be. It was a difficult moment for him, but he needed the opportunity to reevaluate his worldview.
Thank you for giving him that moment and for doing it with as much patience as you could muster. Thank you for not dismissing him when others might have. Thank you for admitting your own imperfection and approaching the subject with humility. Really. Thank you... and don't stop sharing your message. Please, be encouraged that it is necessary.
wow I‘m speechless I haven‘t heard such a good speech in a while you are amazing. I learnd so many new good arguments for a girl in my school because she is just the same as the man in the audience and I think if she sees this speech I can talk with her again. Thank you so much for this it is amazig and encouraging to speak with people you have such a nice style of talking and I really look up to you
thanks.
(sorry for spelling mistakes I‘m a swiss girl 😅)
I just watched another video of yours yesterday, where you were talking about how you "lost it" in this speech... if that's you losing it, you must the the calmest person on this planet!!
wait so Santa isn't real
pedro rod nigga wot
Haha, santa is real. He was a priest named St Nicholas, who used to do good deeds to the needy and pray for their needs. later nicknamed, claus (from nicholas), then santa claus, now the name keeps evolving, haha
Ghost are very real.
Also, Adam and Eve are vegan, they are friends to animals. But most Christian would not listen to you if you are talking about before the fall, they would just say we are already fallen, we can't go back to those time.
Replace santa with god
James you are SO patient and honest in every one of your speeches. You can sense him really grasping at straws with his argument, and I think that even though he may not have admitted it, you definitely had an impact on him. I would LOVE to see one of your speeches live someday, please think about coming to Canada! :)
I respect you so much, if I was having a debate with this man I would loose my cool so quickly. Just watching this I'm getting angry. You done such a good job! Thank you for spreading the awareness x
That was a tough one James. The disconnect he showed was brutal to listen to and he was obviously more concerned about simply making his point and not trying to “get it”.
seems like this guy's just wants to argue for the sake of arguing! I would have lost my cool too...
Wow, I'm so surprised you kept it as cool as you did! That guy you were talking with was so maddening.
Thanks for your patience James, you're doing a great job
Wow, a real-life troll. Kudos to James for not walking over there and knocking him out.
Lol
I have a man crush on how you handle yourself
lol, your username must cause so many conversations hahah
Thanks James Aspey, as a Lacto only Vegan i will stop using dairy. Big fan of butter i convinced myself that i could buy some butter once every 3months, pretending my cow was treated fantastic like they should.
But you said a cow produces milk only when pregnant. And that would be once every 5 year max. i'm guessing. So that would be butter every 5 years not every 3 months.
So i stop dairy too. Thanks for opening my ears,eyes,heart and brain to this truth.
Hi. More precisely, farmers force cows to have a baby each year, but after only few years, the poor animals are so exhausted that they end to slaughterhouse.
There's nothing called "lacto only vegan" or "fish only vegan" or "cheese only vegan" do you not know what vegan means?
Nazanin Naz Good choice. You will feel much better.
Jessica J No but there is such thing as a kind, respectful and patient vegan. Lighten up.
Make sure you're getting vitamin k2.. best source is from natto
I love how Aspey was losing his temper, then he recognizes and apologizes!! (love & humbleness convinces the most) We're all humans and learning to be perfect! peace!
Been a while but this is a gem, very well done speaking to this man's question . He was particularly stubborn, but you helped answer him very coherently.
The purpose of man: Greed? Is he kidding?
Im almost 100% you planted a big seed in that mans head bro. keep it up :)
Be-one-with-nature I honestly believe so as well,he'll think twice next time he thinks about going hunting
Thank you James for standing up for all of this planets beautiful beings. Thank you for being strong, being a human with feelings and emotions and for spreading this message.
You make a difference. You're encouraging love and compassion. Love attracts love and your message will attract this world to wake up.
Forever grateful for your work!
Thank you for your patience, James!
This is so spectacular- the horror of defiant ignorance. Way to go, Aspey!
So this is you losing your cool? And I thought you went full on Yourofsky on him! ;) I think you kept your cool amazing well James, don't be so hard on yourself x
You are such a righteous, beautiful and intelligent being. Thank you for spreading your wisdom ❤️