2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime Vs. 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 AWD - PHEV Against Fully Electric! Which Is Best?
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2021
- The auto industry is marching toward full electrification and for consumers looking to buy a midsize SUV for your family, both Toyota and Volkswagen have two enticing options for 2021. The #RAV4Prime is the ultimate version of the RAV4 because it combines two electric motors with a 2.5L gas engine to produce a total of 302 HP, standard AWD, and up to 42 miles of all-electric range and a total of 600 miles of combined range. The #VolkswagenID4 is the company's first-ever fully dedicated electric vehicle and the #ID4DualMotor is the AWD version that offers twin electric motors, 295 HP, and up to 250 miles of range. Trying to decide between the #ToyotaRAV4Prime and #VWID4 is going to come down to whether you want a #PHEV or a fully electric vehicle. Both cost about the same and offer similar amounts of power and speed.
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I don't understand the focus on 0-60 test; much more useful in daily driving would be 40-75 for interstate merging or back road passing.
I’d say both are close. The Prime has crazy acceleration from 0-85mph. The ID.4 as I recall intentionally had some initial acceleration lag but solid linear acceleration after,
This is true. But it seems we have a new generation of drivers who only care about that sort of thing. 0 to 60 mph isnt a very useful stat in everyday driving by the way.
Because your toddlers and kids couldn't be any safer when you floor 0-60 on your way to soccer practice.
Should focus on 0-60 times only when reviewing Sport/Muscle cars not when reviewing a boring soccer mom Crossover.
We just got not long ago the Rav4 Prime and it’s is in my opinion a better car ! We love its smooth ride a lot ! Of course it’s plug-in hybrid advantage over others. Ours comes with weather packages which it’s convenient in cold weathers.
Keep in mind that we’re coming from driving Lexus GX 460’s .. $150 dollars monthly saving in gas . I believe $14 dollars is all we’ve spent in gas lately with RAV4 . It could be $0.00 but I hear it’s recommended not driving car only on electricity but combined gas-Electricity it’s recommended. Some experts say you can drive car on electric only but not for more than 6 months so we decided to combined both cycles and make sure engine it’s not affected .
I highly recommend the RAV4 Prime ! If you could get into the one winch offers charging time in 4-6 hours much better ! Ours takes to fully charge battery about 12 Hours . It’s not something bad just long time . However, we leave car charging at 6:00Pm and at 6:00am when we’re ready to leave to work we unplugged it . Very simple ! I highly recommend the one RAV4 charging time takes only 4-6 hours for those who are driving more .
Our average electric driving only is 42 miles . That’s it’s good enough for us that just drive less than 14 miles every day.
Hope my comments helps. Sorry for my English/
Great video Redline ! Thank you
Thanks for the info. We are looking at one!
sounds very similar to my 2022 Tucson PHEV. love it!
Since gas may go to 4.00 on the east coast. I would get off of gas asap. Electric is a lot less expensive.
How many vehicles give you power seats on BOTH sides? Yes, VW seats are much better than the Toyota. I got rid of my Subaru because of the front passenger seat. No adjustments other than up and back. No lumbar. No oil changes in the VW. The only thing you have to do is take care of the tires for service. Waiting for the Audi Q4 ETRON. On the VW chassis, with different look. Not in the US as of now. Lots more EV’s coming out in the next couple years.
We own two Rav 4 Primes and we had installed a level 2 charger in our garage and from empty 4.5 hours and we can charge both daily with one charger and we go 6 months on one tank of gas except on vacations which is a plus not looking for EV charge stations.
Five minutes to fill the gas tank beats charging on a road trip.
Thank you for this comparison! I feel like a lot more people will be cross-shopping these two instead of say, a Model Y and ID.4, which are priced totally differently but for whatever reason everyone decides to compare them. Comparing the RAV4 Prime and ID.4 is more realistic as they are priced much closer together.
Or you could spend 10% more and get a real EV. Unless you pay cash for the car, an extra $50 - $80/month payment (or about $15 - $20/week) would be well worth it for the driving experience (and range).
@@billbolduc5982 The ID.4 IS a real EV though, and then again, like my comment said, the Model Y is significanlty more than either of these. Not everyone can cough up an extra 80 dollars a month to drive a Tesla.
Or they won't be shopping them at all.
@@nothere572 and not everyone that could wants to. I'm cross-shopping these two models specifically because I'm not interested in a Tesla lol Tesla isnt the pinnacle everyone thinks it is and the ID.4 seems like a great EV at a good price point
@@billbolduc5982 You also don't get government rebates with teslas, so that brings up the price by a lot.
That’s a unique and great comparison among RUclips channels!
I’ve always enjoy your reviews!
I will buy a Rav4 prime for now until maybe 5 years when more charging station is available. For now, Rav4 prime is a hands down winner if you can get one though.
50k for RAV4… still a RAV4. Better spend it on bz4x
@@wlit Bz4x only has 250 miles range and 210hp with limited charge station. Better to buy a Tesla instead.
@@paull7937 Model Y is $60k though. Plus no way anyone can get the EPA range.
Yea right still paying 4 to 6 dolaars for gas esp when you can charge at home at a fraction of the cost.
But you cant get one even now and waitlist is 3 years so we chose a 2024 ID4 pro S which has bigger battery and more improvement over this review car and get 300 miles range now. No regrets
I never noticed you have the "LOL TSLA" license plate. I love it! 😂
I really like the Toyota RAV4
The brown on black interior color scheme really elevates the look of the ID-4's interior.
We own the RAV4 Prime and really like it. As our other car is a BEV, the added flexibility of a PHEV makes sense. But I actually prefer the modern, clean styling of the ID.4. I think the short hood enabled by its EV config looks unique but not weird. Not picking up the minivan vibe you do.
Do you find the 12" screen to be too bright at night? Is it adjustable separately from the gauge cluster?
Nice review as normal!
I really like the ID.4. It's a clean and classy design. I'd choose a BEV for simplicity.
Im Looking to buy a ID.4 sometime next year. I appreciate this review.
Thanks for a great informative review. I’m one who is on the fence whether to get an EV or PHEV. My thinking right now will s wait a little bit more for an even better PHEV.
If you can wait do
Thanks! You really helped me make up my mind.
As a PHEV Toyota RAV4 Primes is the best choice in North America being able to drive in EV when is cold with ability to use heat pump. In Europe there are at least several times many more options of PHEVs. VW ID4 when built in Tennessee will be very affordable. The best feature is 3 years unlimited charging for free on Electrify America.
I have been checking your channel every day hoping to see the Q4 etron review 😂 that way I will know it is coming for sure…still waiting
You could just subscribe and 'ring the bell' to save yourself the trouble of checking daily
You mentioned twice that the RAV4 Prime battery is under the rear seat. It actually under the car. I have a RAV4 Prime and it is a perfect fit for me. I drive around town in electric mode all the time, and use the Hybrid mode when I go to my vacation home 260 miles away.
RAV4 Prime PHEV is the sensible choice for folks living in areas where charging facility is scarce
Great comparison! I'm actually interested in both of these. I also like the XC-40. I wish Volvo's PHEV 's had a range like the 4Prime & affordable.
Trust me you don't want a European vehicle. Especially the one likely made in Mexico like wv. Parts and service are regularly needed and are obscenely expensive.
@@nofyfb123VWID4 is made in US and Germany. Not mexico
@@samjam6989 Who cares?!? It's still a piece of junk that needs outrageously expensive repairs on a regular basis.
Why I - as a consumer - should be concerned where it's made? vw makes some if its stuff in Mexico, and it's still overpriced AND repairs are equally expensive. That's all I need to know.
I would take a RAV4 Prime over an ID.4!
Me the opposite.
Flexibility & fun = RAV4 Prime
@@seikocitizenwatches I would get an EV and a plug-in EV for the second car. Most families have two cars. I will use the EV for most of my daily needs like shopping, errands, and stuff. and the plug-in for road trips and camping/towing.
@@joeisawesome540 This is the thing to do. For for one-car families, it's hard to go all electric at the moment.
@Joe is awesome I’m curious why not 2 RAV4 primes then? You can go full electric in the prime for 43 miles and you can get all of your day to day stuff done on electricity and then have the option of worry free long distance traveling. Plus the Toyota is way more reliable. My wife had an iD4 that was declared a lemon and was replaced with another iD4 just today. Hopefully this one will be more reliable.
Great review! I have been looking at both vehicles and. Imparting which would better fit my lifestyle. I think I would agree with you. The Rav 4 Prime would be my choice.
I also have a RAV4 Prime. While you can hear the engine in hybrid mode, it is hardly noisy. I had a Santa Fe before the RAV4 Prime and the Prime is a lot quieter. Any EV that is not more quiet than a ICE has really got the design wrong.
You did not compare the towing ranges. I would suspect the RAV4 Prime has a huge advantage which may be a critical factor for some people - it was for me.
You suspect right! The difference is huge in the towing range
The battery pack in the RAV4 Prime is under the floor, not under the rear seat. You’re thinking of the RAV4 Hybrid (non plug-in ).
I own the RAV Prime XSE and it's just so hard for people to get and it's already worth more than the reg price. insane!
Excellent video, thanks. I love my RAVioli
Great comparo video 👏👏👏
Great comparison! Last year I cross shopped the RAV4 Prime and the ID.4, but put off a decision. How about adding an IONIQ 5 to the mix?
I'd like to see an EGo mower too.
Is it possible that the blind spot monitoring light is flashing in ID4 because it reads the two "no passing" lines on the road?
Awesome Review.
I don't think the rav4 prime 2022 is gonna get any interior refresh. The website already has interior pictures of the 2022 rav4 prime and everything looks exactly the same. If anyone know differently please tag me in a reply, I really wanted them to refresh the interior.
Similarly to how we have performance upgrade chips available for many internal combustion cars, could a chip possibly be in the future for ID.4 owners who want to lose that infernal "programmed-in" lag off the line? And if not VW, then perhaps APR?
To me the start-up lag is potentially the biggest deterrent with the ID.4. This is the same company that gave us the GTI??
It might not be programmed. Not all electric motors have a "high" starting torque, it all depends on the power delivery. Starting from 0 uses a tremendous amount of current, and it all depends on the design of the motor and power delivery.
So did they fixed the water leaks on the roof rail of Toyota RAV4 yet? Toyota drilled holes through the frame to mounts the rail but only plugged them up with simple plastic gasket, previous models has reported leaking after a while due to heavy rain or car wash... hopefully they fixed the design for 2022. Wish you can do a view about this more in detail
Mine is 2021, and it's not leaking...
I am going for the ID4
the iD4 for doesn't look like a van at all. What the hell's he talkin' about ?
I'd really appreciate these reviews more if he'd just give the overview with all the specs first, BEFORE he gives his opinion on everything.
Why do these reviewers assume that their opinions matter more than the viewer's opinions ?
Let US decide if we like it first, without being so critical right out the gate. Maybe save all the opinions for the end.
It's your money buy what you like and is right for your needs. Who gives a fuck what people think. I personally own the RAV4 Prime it fits my needs cause I can't charge where I live.
I don’t trust the magazine Car and Driver anymore . They speak for big car companies. With R L, you get true independent reviews, I now get my car info here. Thanks Red Line.
I couldn't care less of some fractions of a second difference 0-60 acceleration.
I think Tesla has succeeded to set the narrative of what is tested in the industry to the metrics where they excel.
I care more about comfort and ride quality, build quality, reliability, design, HUD, 360 cameras, LED matrix, overall premium feel and a lot of other stuff
A 4000kg car, seems like overkill
Build quality and reliability are hardly tesla's forte. Another reason I would not come close to it is erratic musk who can disable YOUR vehicle at will. I read an article about a guy who bought a used tesla, fixed it up but elon decided that it was against his religious beliefs so he disable the car, and the guy now is in possession of a HUGE paperweight.
Yeah PHEV! Happy New Year!
You said it seems a little bit silly to compare a PHEV to a full EV, but it's not at all. An awful lot of us in America live in very rural areas where useful public charging infrastructure is still several years away. Even small college towns like my nearest "micropolitan" area have vanishingly few public chargers that actually work properly.
The thing I always think back to is when my son broke an arm and the local bone doc said he needed to go to a trauma center 100 miles away because the required surgery couldn't be done locally. I had already driven him to school (17 miles) and myself to work (7 miles). Then I drove home for lunch (10 miles) before heading back to work and getting the phone call en route from my son's school nurse saying I needed to come get him. So there's another 17 miles, then 7 more miles back to town to the doctor who ultimately tells us we need to drive 100 more miles at interstate speeds. I was reviewing an Infiniti Q60S Red Sport 400 and was able to fill it in 5 minutes, then set the cruise to 90 mph once I got on the interstate, getting us to the children's hospital E.R. in a little over an hour.
Most EVs would be extremely taxed in that situation, perhaps even running out of energy before the trip was finished. And even then, I would have needed EV charging infrastructure at or near the hospital so we could go home the following day, post-surgery.
Is it an outlier case? Obviously. But this is the nation where people buy three-row SUVs because they might need to haul 6 or 7 people someday (and then they never do, and the rear seat stays folded to increase cargo space its entire life). This is the country where people daily-drive 1-ton diesel pickup trucks because they go to Lowe's every few years to buy supplies for a home improvement project or because they pull a fishing boat or small utility trailer a couple of times a year. We're sold the image of the American as rugged individualist who must be ready for whatever comes in our future, so we perpetually over-buy supplies (including cars) when our day-to-day needs seldom require the fullness of their capabilities.
While I detest the number of huge trucks and SUVs on our roads, I am obviously not immune to the fear-based consumer logic that drives a lot of people into those space- and fuel-inefficient choices. In the foreseeable future, my family would be better served with a PHEV if we sold our ICE cars. Or, more likely, we'll be keeping at least one old ICE as a long-distance/emergency use vehicle while we transition to EVs for daily commuting.
So all that to reinforce that no, it's not silly at all to compare these two. While my Tennessee residency (the ID.4 will soon be built in Chattanooga) and environmental sensibilities make me want the VW, the RAV4 Prime would be cross-shopped if, say, I hit a deer that totals my car or a storm blows a tree over onto it, thus removing my "backup" ICE option. So I appreciated this comparison quite a bit. Thank you for filming it!
What’s with your rav license plate? Temporary lapse in judgement?
I actually like the window switches on the ID. I only open the front windows 99% of the time anyway
In the VW....they usually break down anyway...so it is a win win for Clarkbar.
@@RLTtizME I had a VW once, and you’re so right, lol
These Rav4 Prime's are true masterpieces. Luckily I was able to buy one last year after obsessing over RR's video and spending a couple months hunting one down from a dealership that didn't charge markup. The electric range on mine has been over 45 miles; flawless and quiet for everyday short commutes. The hybrid engine kicks in like a beast on the freeway. It is a bit noisy as Sofyan mentions but boy it's SO FAST. ID4 looks ok. Looks awesome on the inside. I'd definitely pick one over those bloated Model Y's.
The big positives on the Y and Mach-E that don’t exist on my Prime are BlueCruise and Autopilot. Driving hands free for 90 miles on my Mach-E was incredible and stress free. The Prime is comfortable and fast but I would get tired of long highway trips on it I’m sure. I bought the Prime for the range and light off road duty which I would never consider with the other EVs I owned. Crossover EVs belong solely on the road.
@@voxel999 I would hope that lane keeping and radar cruise control would help out quite a bit.
@@mitchellbarnow1709 I've been on 2 family trips of 300 miles + and the adaptive cruise control and lane assist made it really stress free as well.
@@voxel999 Too many crazy drivers on the roads to use self-driving for any meaningful amount of time.
The Mach-E is another beast. If I had to pick for a full EV I would go for that one. Hands-free autopilot is definitely something that I wished the Prime had.
It's good to have a comparison with the ID4 bc of the cost and convenience but the Rav4 Prime is still a PHEV. With really good electric range capabilities indeed but it's not an EV and it definitely doesn't look as modern in terms of technology. Either way, as I mentioned, it's an incredible piece of engineering with a design that will age well with time. And that's something hard to achieve even with these new EVs.
Test drove the ID.4 and was really impressed with the luxury interior feel, tech, and comfortable/quiet ride. I just wish the VW had an actual armrest like the Rav4.
"LuXUrY iNteRIor FeEL" have you ever really been in an id.4 ? its interior feels cheap and literally hollow, like its not just that there's hard plastics and but there's very limited insulation and plastics are really thin to save as much weight as they can, only the top trims has any quality materials if at all.
@@shivamarya5225 Says the RAV4 owner, why don't you keep quiet better than being a buffoon.
@@shivamarya5225 I agree. In years past, VWs used to feel premium, but now they just feel cheap. I say this having owned 4 previous VWs (2004 Passat; 2008 Golf; 2010 Tiguan and 2009 Routan) and 2 other VW products (Audi Q5 and A4 - which do still feel premium but different class of car).
@@user-jv1zn2qz5g sit in an id.4 before talking trash.
@@shivamarya5225 I did actually and it was NICE not the BS YOU'RE saying.
The noise when gas engine kicks in in my Prius (not Prius prime) is also quite loud. And the numbers of books in the manual package is also too many, in color too
Considering my local, the Prime would be my 1st choice. I do not have nearly any electrical infrastructure close enough to rationalize such a purchase regarding the ID.4. I do think the Rav's license plate is clever. The body of the ID4 is too vannish to my eyes. These digital rear view mirrors should be at least optional in all vehicles! I consider them to be an additional level of security.
Both vehicles should perform very well, it's just a matter of your priorities
The Rav4 will have a much more basic, cheaper interior, but will have the quality much more sorted, plus stellar resale value. The ID.4 will have a much more upscale attractive cabin, but the quality and issues will crop up, as Sofyan mentioned in the video. This is VW's first real swing at scale making battery-powered vehicles. Toyota is just ramping up hybrid-powered vehicles to the next level. VW has more of a diesel history than a strong hybrid history, so they are rushing to catch up to this part of the market. with their quality history, you are taking a risk.
I like the VW design and interior better, and on a lease, the VW may work, but the Toyota is built right for a long-term relationship.
You're wrong. VW has plenty of experience with the Egolf from 2015-18 and the ID.3 that was launched a few years ago. They also have more advanced EV tech with the Audi Etron and Porsche Taycan. Toyota is stuck in the past with their hybrids that no one will care about in 5 years. VW will be leading the pack soon enough.
You're wrong - vw never managed to make a half-decent TRADITIONAL vehicle that ran any meaningful amount of time. Everything Toyota does is well designed and manufactured.
@@SimonStrother That's what you said 20 years ago about Prius. In 5 years, Toyota will still be running like new while there will be no problem for vw because it will be resting in the middle of a junkyard.
The ID. 4 doesn't look like a mini van, but it kind of like like a soft version of the Venza or Edge.
Rav4 Prime or Hyundai Ionic 5?
Really enjoyed a comparison between an EV and a hybrid. Would love to see more like this - gasoline only vs EV would be great too. I will probably avoid EVs as long as I can, but I do take comparisons like this seriously, and at least will consider an EV (though I would take the Audi Q4 e-tron over the VW) as I know you are honest about pros and cons. 👍
Plug-in EVs are basically ICE cars with battery packs. So they can never leave their ICE underpinnings behind. But at the moment EVs are best only for local commute with occasional trips.
Honestly think the Toyota looks more wagon like, especially if you consider without the oversized roof racks. Can’t believe I’m saying it, but I think the ID.4 is growing on me
When are you gona do car of the year 2021. Waiting
A small aside, but for the 0-60 test, putting the Rav4 Prime in Hybrid mode will actually dial down the electric motors in favor of the engine for the acceleration curve. If you leave the car in Auto EV, it will prioritize the electric motors and supplement with the engine, which results in far better alpha acceleration, torque, and 0-60 time overall!
What can you get in auto EV mode, for 0 - 60?
@@elusivellama The Toyota estimate for the Prime is 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, but for your average user it just really depends on road conditions, gradient, and battery charge. I've hit 5 seconds myself, but I'm sure gradient was the primary factor there. I'm mostly establishing that if you DO want to hit that max acceleration and really feel that EV power, you want to use auto EV mode for it
I am curious if the Prime is significantly faster than the old RAV4 V6.
@@dereklee9388 The old Rav4 V6 had a horsepower rating of 269 hp, which is a fair amount less than the 302 hp the Prime has. However, even if it had a comparable rating, Electric drivetrains tend to have better 0-60 times at comparable hp due to being able to utilize instant torque, which gas engines by themselves unfortunately can't.
Very Nice Bro! Get Good!
My ID.4 had the same build quality issue on the driver side dash where the HUD in the European version would be. It’s like the Tesla panel gaps I guess.
I prefer the Rav4 interior overall. I really hate the minimalist look. And hearing the engine noise is also a plus.
There are a couple of things I would do differently but ride quality, handling, and overall sturdiness of my Rav4 are second to none.
I don’t see anything “van” like in the ID.4. It looks more aerodynamic and efficient than the RAV4 Prime. These two vehicles are on our short list currently and both have pros and cons. We probably would have already purchased one if we could find one to buy. Reserved an AWD ID.4 in August and delivery is estimated to be “mid-2022”. Of course there lots of other BEV options coming in 2022.
Styling is always subjective. We def prefer the boxier & more traditional look of the Prime. Congrats on your purchase!
@@theredline If a Prime comes available first we might just go with that.
Not sure how it looks like a van. Which van are you thinking of??
Is the RAV4 Prime still selling $5K+ MSRP?
He's hung up on the “minivan” thing. 😂
To me, it looks nothing like a minivan. 🤷♂️
He didn't say it looked like a minivan. He said he feels like he's driving a minivan, not a crossover.
@@InvestBetter. he definitely says it looks like a minivan and he doesn’t like it (and repeats himself) 5:06
@@blakelyfantastic he definitely did
@@InvestBetter., he did, but he’s entitled to his opinion. He does excellent reviews, it’s okay to have opinions.
Let's hang up on the CVT harangue too.
I still think it's amazing how before Tesla, everyone thought electric cars were going to be slow and inefficient.
I don't see the "mini-van" look you talk about with the ID.4. It looks like an electric SUV to me.
The license plate crack me up LOL TSLA.😂😂😂😂 I have an ID.4 and I love it.
According to caranddriver the id4 awd did a 0-60 5.4 and so did the RAV4 prime.
Car & Driver is always slightly quicker than everyone else’s numbers.
I didn't realize everybody uses they're rear windows switches that much 😅 Pretty much the only time I do is when I accidentally open them instead of the front ones LOL Which makes this pretty sweet to me. Not sure it's really a cost saving tactic from VW here, just a different design choice.
I have to use them for parking at one of my houses, because it’s to narrow to fit the car with the rear mirrors opened 😅
Unfortunately Rav4 prime is not available in WA state and basically there is a waitlist everywhere.
You can't even get a Corolla. Why are we even looking at these reviews.
Like it or not EV’s are the future. I had a Volt and I thought it was a great car. Wasn’t practical for me though. I needed an SUV. The Volt didn’t cost me much in gas. The downside with these plug in hybrids is that the gas will go stale if not used in a certain amount of time. I guess everything has it’s downside.
Yea EV is the future but the future is not now. And gas going bad is really a small downside since you can refuel it once every 2-3months
I would go RAV4 Prime in Canada except 2 yrs lead time. That is crazy. Why makes a great vehicle that cannot be purchased?
Alex, I love your reviews, and this is not a critique. But it’s so interesting that this is the first time that I’ve disagreed with you strongly on almost anything. It’s completely personal preference, but I think this is the best looking of all the electric SUVs. But, I also think the Chrysler Pacifica and the new Sienna minivan are really good looking. So that sort of tells you which way I lean.
Secondly I think the implementation of the window controls for the rear windows is fantastic. But, I definitely acknowledge that I’m probably in the minority and I bet that the next iteration of the vehicle will have four switches.
I love the AWD for the all weather option, now if VW can sharpen those software and fit issues that would make it even more appealing.
I got back from a test drive with the AWD ID4 just about an hour ago. They seem to have fixed some of the software issues that were present about 4 months ago during my first test drive. The acceleration is *very* good and it handled the mountain roads with absolute ease. Very impressed. I need to test the RAV4 before I make any decisions one way or the other, but I am thoroughly impressed with the vehicle so far. I much prefer the ID.4 over the Tesla Model Y.
@@mrtriathlondude keep us updated, Tesla isn’t the only house on the block.
@@XX-166 Agreed. I also tested the Polestar 2 a few weeks ago. It was an absolute blast to drive but it's price is outside of my budget. My wife really likes the ride of the ID.4 and it feels much more predictable for someone coming from ICE cars. I am partial to cutting ICE completely out of my life but the charging infrastructure for individuals and families in high-density housing isn't quite up to snuff yet, so we may just wait a few years to replace our Corolla.
@@mrtriathlondude as long as you invest in a 220 volt charger in your garage you should be fine and not really feel the effects of any range anxiety. The polestar does look nice and I think it’s now in AWD though this reviewer said at the time of driving it also needs some updates like satellite radio and some other things so it’s all a work in progress but worth the gradual move or at least to have one at home.
@@mrtriathlondude , I think the VW is the better buy if they work out the bugs. I almost bought one but test drove other EVs that were much faster and its hard to go back once you experience that instantaneous power.
I don't think the iD4 looks like a van from the side view. Personally I've never been a Rav4 fan, its not bad, just not for me. I had a Model Y on order, but after driving the iD4, I cancelled my Model Y order and ordered the iD4 AWD in Moonstone gray!
Both good cars. Really, cars have gotten so good generally that 9/10 times cross-shopping comes down to subjective factors.
As a recent EV convert I have to say that I agree with Sofyan about that EV instant torque. Once you experience it, probably even in a model as relatively mild as the ID.4, it's kinda hard to go back.
You underestimate the Prime’s power. I’ve owned a Y, Mach-E, and ID.4 and it’s no slouch. The gas engine and electric motor working together makes the Prime as peppy as a non-performance Tesla.
I prefer de ID4 style, although I wish it could have 2 more inches in ground clearence.
Style is secondary. Reliability and longevity - primary. At least for me. And wv is hardly a valid choice in those departments.
@@nofyfb123you are thinking of their gas cars. Their EV cars are more reliable since they dont have gas engines
I wish the Toyota had a bit more electric range. I would take a smaller petrol engine if I could trade that for more battery.
I really enjoy your videos but leading your criticisms of the ID.4 with the layout of the driver's window buttons is a real head-scratcher. :-)
Just hold the button down and all the windows will go up or down, not just two.
Can u compare rav4 prime vs ioniq 5
I suppose that comparison is possible.
Super helpful video. The ID4 is definitely the better looking vehicle outside IMO.
Good luck finding a RAV-4 Prime…I’ve been looking for almost a year
Especially in the XSE trim in this review. They are like unobtainium.
There’s one in my state but the stealership marked it up 15k over MSRP
Saw one for 20k over asking. No amount of reliability is worth that much. Even extended warranties and service insurance doesn't cost that much.
That’s hilarious, and Chevy couldn’t sell enough Volts…I guess it was ahead of its time.
@@jameschen8i rather buy whats available and pay actual or lower than MSRP prices then get a car 15K over msrp. 😂 Thats why i got ID4 with 0% finance, $9000 government credit and $2500 dealership discount versus wait 10 years to get a Rav4 prime with Toyotas 7% interest 😂 fck that 😂
Are any of these cars in stock?
Check your local dealer. My VW dealer online shows plenty of ID4. No RAV4 primes though
ID.4 are widely available. Good luck finding a RAV4 Prime, especially in the XSE trim.
What a hilarious question. Did you think of that on your own? 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😄😄😮😮👈👈😜😜😂😂
Hey what part of pa do you drive. Im in Philadelphia and i drive the five counties for scenic pleasure
We are in York, PA.
@@theredline enjoy your reviews keep up the great wrk
Sofyan's very own rav4😍
Who?
@@RLTtizME The man in this video.
Sofyan bey
@@albinbiju7464 Is that a Thai casserole?
@@albinbiju7464 Who?
VW ID. Buzz #VanLife, Ford F-150 Lightning #Ford, GM Hummer EV1 #GM and Rivian R1S #Rivian demonstrate what proper cabin space looks like.
All though, it's interesting that the Prime is quicker off the line than the AWD ID.4. I think VW kinda erred in their design/power curve programming in this regard. As a Mach-E owner that initial lag would drive me nuts. But I think I'll still go drive one someone soon before I take delivery on my (second) MME.
18:00 Toyota needs to change up that 360 camera. There should be options to just look at the camera and not have to watch a movie of the cameras. Don’t know who thought that.
Decent comparison, be mindful that your bias towards the Rav was clear and jaded your review throughout.
The RAV4 prime…..the car that no dealer has.
Or if they have one, it will sell for $20K over MSRP.
@@mowcowbell yep
A RAV4 Prime here in Western Canada is a 2 to 3 year wait. Ridiculous. Why make these cars when it's not even accessible? My local Toyota Dealer says the wait list is like 300 people in just their dealership.
it takes my family about 40 min of stopping to finish all the restroom and snackfood trips at rest stops so we might be able to make that VW work lmao
32:28-32:32 . . . . . . Ghost.
BTW, if I had that kind of money to spend on a car, I'd definitely choose the Rav4.
40:28 Oh,...you got the idea of the Ghost already. Good!
Too bad my state doesn’t sell the PHEV version of the Rav4
I have a chance drive Id 4 it is really good looking car I prefer id4 to rav 4 because it is electric
I'd go RAV4 as it is built to last 20 years like all Toyotas, and you get more overall since you don't have to pay for all those expensive batteries; just enough battery to get you the miles you'll do in a day. ID.4 looks a bit better though and either one would be fine for me as they are both just appliances that no one gets emotional about anyway.
Rav. Old school. ID.4 up to date.
How you think the ID.4 looks like a van is crazy. It looks far better than the RAV4. Leaving out the electric/hybrid argument, why would you buy either when you can get a Genesis GV70 with the Prestige package for about the same (before credits) or the base model for the same money after credits. Stopping at a gas station for 5 minutes annoys you?
All things being equal, having a REAL spare tire would make the preferred choice. Fix a flat junk is NOT an option for me.
Immediately...we know that you are an old geezer. Hope your eye condition improves. Best wishes.
@@RLTtizME perhaps living 50 miles out from the nearest town/services also influences my opinion.
@@martyosborne3399 Or driving around on crappy or worn-out tires. How are you eyes?
@@RLTtizME 1st. I never drive on crappy tires 2nd Winter tires and rims & Summer wheels and Rims for both vehicles. As if it was any of your business about my eyes. Tested and Corrective lenses every 6 months if needed at the VA. What does this have to do with my opinion on spare tires?
@@martyosborne3399 Just the sunglasses sweetie. We are concerned. Don't be so crabby. I bet your spare has only 5 pounds of air in it right now. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Sofyan don't torque brake EV's, it makes the run slower. Just stump and go from the bake pedal.
ID4 looks more modern inside, feels nicer and more luxurious, rav4 interior is already outdated.. ID4 will be a bit unique on a road, whereas no one looks at RAV4 since there are millions of them on a road.
Toyota quality vs. Volkswagen garbage. VW will be in junkyard when the Toyota is still going strong.
@@gordonschiff3621 who cares, I bought 2021 BMW X5 45e, $3000 extra was extended warranty 8 years 120,000 miles. It is more than enough. I can’t imagine to drive 10 years in ugly interior like RAV4..
@@user-hi1xc3pn1e Who cares!? A lot people care about reliability... BMW are nice sorta, starting to look outdated to. Same design language in like every model, tech is starting to fall behind it's competition also. Besides the point, I'm sure someone would rather have reliability over some "ugly cheap looking" interior. Only a idiot would want a good interior over a reliability... So you should care about reliability rather than trying to have a "nice" interior. There are many reasons I would take a Toyota over a VW or any BMW, mainly for reliability and resale value.
Yes, the RAV4 interior is starting to to show its age. It has only received a minor mid-cycle refresh for 2022 so I'd expect big changes for 2023.
@@gordonschiff3621 Except there's no VW engine or transmission to worry about anymore, just the electrical system.
I just noticed the plate of your Rav4 LMAO!
Yup! It was originally meant for the Mach E we bought and it’s been moved to that vehicle already :)
I ordered an id4 and i say “good bye fuel!”
I don't think VW limits the power to 30mph to "mimic" an ICE, I think it is there to help the lifespan of the drive train.
Which is 10 months.
I suspect you're correct. I know there were some issues with BMW i3's breaking drive axles. And there've been some other electrics having that same issue. Just a lot of torque at a low speed.
The ID.4 looks NOTHING like a minivan. It looks like the future, whereas the RAV4 looks like the past.
The RAV4 Prime all day. Toyota pioneered the modern hybrid and perfected it, and they aren't known to rush new technologies. The Prime looks nicer, is based on a proven vehicle, and will last as long as you could possibly want with basic maintenance. The ID.4 is trying to bluff a full house with ace high in that the only advantage is being all electric. EDIT: (And they only went full electric on an accelerated schedule because their reputation is still in ruins after Dieselgate)
VW has plenty of experience with the Egolf from 2015-18 and the ID.3 that was launched a few years ago. They also have more advanced EV tech with the Audi Etron and Porsche Taycan. And who cares about dieselgate? So what, VW was trying to make their cars more powerful and fun to drive, I dont hate them for that. You think the battery packs in an EV or Hybrid are any less harmful for the planet? Toyota is stuck in the past with their hybrids that no one will care about in 5 years. VW will be leading the pack soon enough.