Nice video. I opted for the ID4 when the Model Y started at $65k and the ID4 started at $43k. It was really a no-brainer at that point, although the Model Y has had massive price cuts since then. I'm actually getting very good range on my 2023 RWD ID4, with estimated summer range showing at 250 to 270 at 80% charge, which I have confirmed in real world driving. On my last long day trip, the real world range was the equivalent of 325 miles, versus EPA range of 275 miles. RUclipsr Bjorn Nyland compared cargo capacity with his "banana box test," which is exactly what it sounds like. He found that the Model Y and ID4 can carry the exact same number of banana boxes in the rear, with the Model Y having room for one extra banana box in the frunk. So, they're actually closer than many people think. Ride quality is a matter of taste, but I much prefer a softer ride like in the ID4. I'm all about comfort. You're right that the ID4 app is trash. It can reasonably reliably be used to check charge status, and turn charging on and off, but that's about all I use it for. It would be nice to have a full featured app like Tesla has. Regarding the infotainment, the Model Y has much better built-in software, but the ID4 supports Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, which the Model Y doesn't. I love Android Auto, and prefer it to built-in apps for several reasons: Huge choice of apps, automatic synching of music and podcasts entering and leaving vehicle, no monthly fees like in Model Y. Because I use it all the time, for me a car without support for Apple CarPlay and Android Auto is a big negative, almost to the point of being a dealbreaker. Model Y has a better charging network for sure. But, I think that will even out, and disappear entirely if Tesla follows through with their plans to turn the charging network into a profit center by opening it up to other vehicles. Like a lot of people, I rarely ever use fast charging, so it's not a huge consideration for me. Overall, I'm very happy with the ID4. My biggest complaint by far is that it doesn't automatically lock the doors when you walk away. But, that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. For anyone getting a new EV, the Model Y is definitely the safe bet. It's like the old saying in IT "You'll never get fired for choosing IBM." But, if you know exactly what is important to you in an EV, and do a lot of research, the ID4 might be a better fit for some people.
I can't say who's the safer bet, esp since Tesla/Musk wants and needs OTA updates to fix everything for you. IF you are in the US, Tesla is the only real one available in volume. In the EU, I would never consider one, but ironically they all are made better.
@@sprockkets VW's ID4 factory in the US is up and running, so there isn't a shortage anymore. You can now buy them off the dealer lot, and some dealers are offering them below MSRP.
@@dansanger5340 Well, atm they are now $3k more than they were when they first came out for comparable battery size. And no news on having a heat pump in the US made ones. I'm probably going used Niro EV or Kona if the price is right. Used prices for id4 are not worth it, esp if they are the ones that have issues.
Since this video was made, I think VW has fixed many of their problems. I bought a 2023 AWD ID4 about a month ago, and it does have OTA updates. I haven't used Electrify America much, but when I did, I didn't have any problems. As for the tires, the dealer told me right up front that the front and rear tires were different. So I would say that VW is cleaning up its act. One more thing - both cars are vastly better than any ICE car.
I would think problems only hit a small percentage of cars. How high is that pct determine the quality of the car. So I don't think because you got a good one it means things have improved.
Sorry to say that: after 2 weeks of driving MY (traded in my ID4) i now realize - there is no compromise to Tesla. Charging accessibility is simply outstanding. My trips Boston - NY are not making me panic anymore. Buying ANY ev but tesla is like buying a train without rails.
We actually have both as well. I drive a Model Y Long Range and my wife drives an ID.4 Pro S RWD. I am very happy with both purchases and have no regrets overall. i think the tesla is superior with regard to infotainment, range, navigation and charging. but i think the vw has a better ride, build quality and it has a sun shade. there isn't enough tint in the world to block out the Georgia sun.
Love the turning headlights and curb lights, accent lights, illuminated logos on our VW. Love there is a sunshade and it’s quiet with no electric motor sound. Love that it’s comfortable and has massaging seats. Love that VW probably won’t screw me over in the near future and if I do need something I can reach a human, not an app. Love I can control the driving modes, control regen braking option, and can physically move a vent- a vent to hvac system that doesn’t sound like a tornado. But what about the lack of heat pump in US!? No problem- there’s a heated window for that. VW>Tesla any day. I’ve owned 2 of each.
Great video! I have a 2021 RWD ID4 and really enjoy it. It’s my first electric and I usually don’t drive more than 50 miles/day. I’m able to use level 1 charging in my garage. I’ve taken one day trip that required public charging, used an EA charger for free charging & it was flawless. So this car suits me just fine. Your comparison between the two was great, thank you!
In Canada... (all prices in CDN $) The VW ID4 (275 miles of range) starts at $40,000 - $12,000 (tax credit) = $28,000 The Tesla Model Y (330 miles of range) starts at $70,000 - $5,000 (tax credit) = $65,000 It's surprising folks are ready to pay 2.3x the price for the Tesla. Based on your experience, would you pay so much more for the Model Y? And that's after yesterday's massive price cut, the Model Y started at $85,000 before the $15,000 price reduction. * Cars under $60,000 get an additional $7,000 provincial tax credit
Yep... loved the presentation... hopefully now the id4 is made in usa the over the air updates can alleviate the burdens. Agreed the id4 is heavy but I do love the road handling. Really feels comfortable and it can take the corners at speed.
I have been driving a VW ID4 for about 3 weeks, and I really dig it. I have the ProS AWD in Moonstone Grey, and I have had a lot of compliments on both the interior and exterior. The interior is well-built, clean and simple. The exterior is very distinguished, especially at night. I have received compliments on both from friends and strangers. It is clearly still a novelty vehicle, though it could be mistaken for a Tiguan to the casual observer. Bottom line, no problem pulling this VW into the valet lane at a black tie event. The driving experience has evolved into multiple modes: ECO, Comfort, Sport and AWD and all are true to their description. Sport in particular is a blast with a one pedal driving experience. Tried out the AWD on a morning with a slick of skim snow on the roads and it had a performance consistent with an Audi Quattro in a similar condition; it remains to be seen how it will work under more challenging conditions, but the point is that I could be confident with a no-slip experience. Speaking of the driving experience, speed is a factor. Between the very quiet interior and the lack of sensation from a working ICE or transmission one can readily drift into a 90+ MPF situation if there is no traffic on the highway; again, part of the learning curve as an EV driver. Totally agree with this guy on the regenerative braking experience, but that also is part of the adaptation to the EV driving experience IMHO. There are a lot of criticisms of the infotainment system in reviews throughout the web but I found it no harder to adapt than any other new gizmo. (For the record, I have test driven the Tesla Model S several times and it never put the bite onto me in any category.) I definitely agree that the Apple CarPlay features are in many ways superior to the proprietary VW system, but I have found that to be the case with the software offered in US domestic cars such as the Camaro. Pick your interface and move on. The app definitely needs work, but as a longtime VW owner and enthusiast I have every confidence that VW will improve that feature in the near future. There is definitely a lag in turning on the climate control and defrosters from the app. I have not torture tested the Electrify America charging network because I live about .4 miles from my dealer where I get free charging. It has been gratifying enough so far to drive down there, plug it in, glance down the street at the Exxon station where petrol is $4.69 for unleaded regular and then cross the street to a great Italian restaurant for dinner. To date, I have paid $20 for a single charge as part of stashing the vehicle in a parking garage in Manhattan so that was an expensive convenience charge. The road trip experience awaits, but I am not deterred. I like the leisurely pause on the road to the destination. Bottom line, as with most tech, one needs to make a decision as to how an EV, particularly the ID4, fits into your lifestyle. I am meshed with my karma with the ID4. Like Dr. Hunter S. Thompson said, "Buy the ticket, take the ride".
I don’t think I disagree with anything you wrote. My problems were unreliable charging away from home (too much worry when EA failed or was down) and the cargo size. I knew this going in thinking it wouldn’t be a factor, but it was. They do look great, are quiet, perform very well, but the other factors were weighted heavily for my needs.
I got a used 23 vw id.4 pro s awd with 961 miles for $29,325. Couldn't touch a used Tesla y awd for that price,. We love the car and it has a DC fast charge rate of 170kw.
Why does everyone go on about how great the navigation is in the model y? They don't even have an option to "avoid highways" which EVERY SINGLE satnav I've ever used has. A truely good navigation is in Polestar with its android automotive and Google maps. I owned a model y for a year and have owned 5 EVs and the model y is my least favorite....no one talks about the stuff the model y lacks. No rear wiper No sun shade(you did mention that) No blind spot monitoring No 360 view No cross traffic momitors No "avoid highways" on maps Harsh ride(mentioned that) Loud Worst auto wipers on the planet(even Elon acknowledged this) No wiper stalk No driver Paint that pops off unbelievably easy Can't talk to service when needed ...have to use messaging which at times can be very frustrating when trying to describe issues. Door handles that freeze shut in cold climates No buttons or switchgear. And yes this is important for ergonomics and to provide a safe and enjoyable drive. I'm taking delivery of an id4 on Monday which will be my 6th ev so I'm not sure how it will compare to my model y but I really didn't enjoy my y at all. But it can make fart noises so it's all cool.
3.1 software solves almost all of the infotainment and driving issues. Personally I don’t like 1 pedal driving and the fact that id4 has regenerative braking when pressing brake pedal is a plus. Turn radius on id4 is one of most underrated features. When I bought my ID4 it was 10k cheaper than model Y plus 7500 incentive, if they were priced same probably go for model Y only for better charge network. Great review of both cars!
ID4 is far superior to either Y or 3. ID4 feels like an electrified yet practical German automobile. The T’s feel like NYC Camry taxi cabs after 200,000- right out of the factory.
There are so many little things that german makers do that are like, yeah, duh. Like having the backup camera underneath the vw logo to keep it clean when not in use.
@@sprockkets 2 disappoints with id4 are backup camera NOT underneath VW logo like other models and capacitive buttons, it's a bit sensitive and laggy. My old e-golf was the ideal car just needed double the range.
This is the most accurate review I've seen comparing these two cars. Well done! I have a 3 LR and would like a softer ride but that's it on complaints, everything else feels just perfect so kinda doubtful I'll give all that up.
Very good review! One thing I am interested in for the ID.4 is the towing capability. I haven't really looked into Tesla's towing capability, but the fact that I could pulled my boat with an electric vehicle is amazing. I guess if I really want towing capacity, I should be looking at the Ford Lightning. Thanks again.
Your right I am having a huge issue paying 65k. I have a RWD id4 on order. If Tesla brings back the standard range or Lower 4680 model for 60k I will order it. 16k price difference is a big deal for me.
Thanks for the honest review!! I own a M 3 LR btw. The longer you have one the more you appreciate the ease of use of the Tesla s interface and lack of buttons. The 5-star safety rating and charging network of the Tesla is the ultimate decider for me.
As a a tall large man with serious injuries, I can tell you the Tesla is NOT comfortable in any seat, especially for long time periods it triggers screaming back spasms! The ID is totally comfortable in all seats
You are able to provide a unique perspective by actually owning both vehicles. I have about 7,000 miles on a Pro S AWD id.4, and only have limited exposure to the Model Y based on driving friends' vehicles. That said, there are a few things I would disagree with in your assessment of the id.4. First, the range - we regularly are driving 230-280 miles per full charge before having to charge again. Your sub-200 mile experience doesn't sound right. Secondly, we have made extensive use of the Electrify America network for free fast charging. I live on the east coast, so maybe there is a higher density of those stations than where you live to account for the difference in experience, but in those 7,000 miles (which has included many long road trips), I have yet to pay a penny in fast charging. Third, I subjectively find the build quality and ride quality of the id.4 to be vastly superior to the Model Y. The damping is better, the ride is smoother and more compliant, and to me the cabin is substantially quieter. All of those things add up over longer road trips. You mentioned the ambient lighting in the id.4, but the overall interior lighting is also superior (in my opinion) to the Model Y, which feels like a cave at night. I also own three different trailers, so towing is key for me. I didn't have to pay anything to get a tow hitch and related wiring installed - it was standard with the id.4. The one modification I did there was to replace the 1.25" receiver with a bolt-compatible 2 inch one, so I wouldn't have to use an adapter. Lastly, VW has nice touches, like the motorized glass roof screen, absent in the Model Y, and I also feel the interior materials are nicer than the Model Y. The storage space difference is as you described, and for that I envy the Model Y. That said, my family of four can still easily do multi-day overnight trips and bring everything we need to. The 30.3 cubic feet behind the rear seats is still substantially more than the 16.4 cubic feet in the 2012 Hyundai Sonata that this car replaced. And at the time we purchased it (December of 2022), the Model Y was not eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit, but this model year 2023 made-in-Tennessee id.4 was, so it was substantially cheaper than the Model Y.
Had no idea that the front and back tires are different sizes. That's the first. Rotating tires are important to help keep an even wear especially if it's a front or rear wheel drive.
I’ve owned a new 22 id4 since 11/2022. Been on four road trips and charged with EA every time with very few issues. Never left without charging though. Also never had an issue with software updates. Seems to be an outdated problem. It’s all personal preference I guess, and I’ve never driven a MY. Drove a M3 for a week, and loved some of the features. The cameras and automatic shut-off with the turn signals are fantastic. The range on the M3 was almost identical to the id4. But I did hate the turning radius and was annoyed that every function is on one screen. I still prefer steering wheel controls and CarPlay. Seats on the M3 were very comfortable, but I did wonder how bigger people would fit in them. It was tight for me, and I’m 5’11”/180. Interior build quality is definitely better on the id4, but they’ve been making cars a lot longer. The piano black needs to go for the reasons you stated.
Great overview of your two cars! I’m such a Tesla fan and 3 main reasons: ID 4 doesn’t have a frunk, poor software and the lack of charging stations, as you mentioned!!😂
I agree in every thing you say. In my case I had a model 3 2021 LR for about 1.5 year and 24000 miles. Changed to an id4 in december and with 2200 miles behind me now. Only thing missing in your review...In the winter time id4 is 50% less effective and the fast charge takes 100% longer time. If you drive a lot in cold climate Tesla is the way to go. But the towing hook is better on id4 and soon maybe V2H/V2L? will work, that could be a gamechanger for some.
Interesting these cars are so close in comparison considering the Model Y is almost $35k more in Canada at the moment. ($52K for Pro S AWD vs $87k for Model Y Longe Range)
Crazy how the Y price dropped $10,000 since this came out and also qualifies for $7500 tax credit on top of that. Thanks for the review- it was a great but we didn't get the cat's perspective. Maybe next time.
I ended up getting a new ID4 pro s AWD over the Y model mainly due to better fit and finish and comfortable ride. I just think Tesla’s front end is extremely ugly (unfinished) unlike the X model. But you are right about the range w/ ID 4 esp in the Winter time. My ID 4 w/ 3.1 works just fine, no issues at all.
Thank you for this review, it was the Simply the Best and Better than All the Rest!! I am buying one of these cars any day and cannot decide. This was helpful. I drove them all S,3,X,&Y at Tesla yesterday and was exhausted from the adrenaline rush and fell in love with ID4 a few weeks ago. Diving back in to drive ID4 again today. Thought I'd wait for the 2024 updates to make final decision. Pros and Cons of each. Now down to these Y AWD and Id4 AWD pro S Go Zags
Go Zags indeed!!!! There are things with the ID4 I really felt was withheld from me. Tires in the front and back are different sizes, so no rotating and they will wear much faster. Then asked about it the sales at VW downplayed it. It's a big deal. If you're just cruising around town (charging at home) and don't need much cargo area, the ID4 is pretty cool.....but. ID4 is put together well, but it's just not well thought out. The Tesla I'm actually loving more and more the longer I've owned it. The app is ridiculously amazing and more importantly, helpful. Cooling car before you get there...remotely view cameras, check charge, see location....etc. Id4 app was horrible....almost a joke. If you aren't going to be charging at home, the Electrify America network is so bad, it's actually scary. The Tesla superchargers are plentiful and just simply work. The Y is the perfect vehicle in my opinion. Great price, great size, great efficiency. People will knock it because "everyone has one." That's because it's a great vehicle. There are cons for sure, but the pros far outweigh them for my needs. (small things that can be resolved with aftermarket products) I did have some buyers remorse a few months after getting the ID4. On the other hand, my wife (who didn't want a Tesla) is considering getting a Tesla for herself. If you happen to get a Tesla, use my referral link: ts.la/jason27133 I think you get $500-1000 off depending on what model you get, and I get some supercharger miles!!!
I have a Mercedes EQA and some MY-time aswell. I think the EQA rides much more refined and has a much better interior. And MBUX is actually quite nice. They cost about the same here in Denmark.
Great video! The ID4, MY, Mache-E, and Ioniq 5 are the vehicles I'm considering. The MY and Mach-E are my first choices, but the price increase on both vehicles have taken them out of the running. The Ioniq 5 has a great charging curve, but I plan to do most of my charging at home. I also plan to put an obscene amount of miles on my next vehicle and I have more trust in VW than Hyundai when it comes to driving more than 200k miles. Thanks for helping me choose.
I have the Y, its GREAT I have driven it across the country and back and the charging network for Tesla is AMAZING. They also have a new offer where you cann get free fast charging.
For what it's worth, I've had the MY as a company car and friend owns an Ioniq 5. Out of those two, I'd choose the I5 anytime. The Y has terrible ride quality, super glitchy "autopilot", a makes all kinds of squakes and rattles,...The I5 was comfortable, driver assist functions are more reliable, much better put together... And buttons that do things without me taking eyes off the road.
I own an European ID.4 First Edition and have driven a Tesla Model 3 very often. I basically agree with your review. However, my ID.4 has recently being updated over the air to the 3.0 version and many, many software flaws have been fixed. Travel assist works great now and the capacitive steering wheel makes no necessary to move it for the car to detect you are there (not available in Tesla). The App is not great but now it works and Volkswagen has changed and updated the backend servers so the communication with the vehicle now works. Recently Tesla has dropped the prices and now for 45k€ you can buy a Tesla Model Y (range 430km) or an ID.4 (range 520km). Nevertheless, I have to say that the software in Tesla cars is way better than the software in Volkswagen cars. But, as you said in the video, the build quality is way better in Volkswagen (despite the ugly piano black plastic).
the new 2013 ID 4 has the new 3.1 software that greatly improves the experience with tavel assist and now new non-crappy interface. And still has apple play(which Tesla does not have) which my wife still loves. And still has an open roof that you can actually see the sky. and does not make my wife throw up every time I accelerate, and Now is about 57 K compare to the Tesla at about 70 K (both figures including tax and License) on comparable all wheel drive cars). and for the time being a unique look compared with Tesla which is around every corner in my home in Northern California. and redesigned console for better placement for your phone, and cool new cosmic blue interior, has faster charging time and greater range then the previous yrs. and has cooool VW lit up badge at night. and now made in USA and atleast will get half of the 7500 rebate, and best of all the VW dealer is only a couple of miles from me Just in case .
Have you taken delivery of a cosmic interior? I have an Arctic Blue/cosmic AWD pro S on order, and have not seen either the color or the interior in person yet, but very excited to see both when it comes in, hopefully next month. How is the cosmic, if you've seen one in person yet?
Thanks for the Video. I have a model Y and I LOVE it. - I don't think the id4 would hold up to my kind of use but its a cute car and I love that it's a little smaller
The ID is definitely a better looking car (in my opinion). The footprint is the same between the two (more or less). The lack of cargo in the ID4 drove me nuts. Charging away from home was harder than it should be too.
@@lankyscatchannel9032 mmm interesting. I do love how the id4 is but I love the convenience of charging with my Tesla and the cargo space is INCREDIBLE
ID.4 is the same width as the M3, whereas the MY is nearly 3 inches wider. That's a little fat here in the UK. The range, efficiency and charging infrastructure are key benefits of the Tesla, but Elon has talked about giving away one of those advantages.
Nice video! I have had an ID.3 (ID.4s little sister) on lease for two years, and can recognize all the nice and ugly things you describe about the ID.4. Planning my next car, I have been a bit torn between the ID.4 and the TMY, but landed on the Tesla; even if the VW is a nice drive, the range and features in the Tesla makes it superior. And to top it off, Tesla offers finance with 2% lower interest rates than all others. Will take delivery of a German made Y with the new Cherry Red next summer; really looking forward to that! But at the same time I will miss the small and agile turn-on-a-dime VW. All the best to you!
Actually this November I pulled the trigger and ended up going with the ID4 AWD Pro S. Dealers have 2023s on the lot and are offering $5k off on the Pro S models and 3.9% financing up to 72 months. The TMY was going to cost me 5k more up front and much more in financing costs with Tesla being at 6.9%. Besides the ID4 has a tow hitch included, memory massaging seats. We'll see how it works out but it certainty is a very nice ride. Also Aurora Red Metalic is very sharp looking.
i am in Toronto, right now MY LR Dual Motor AWD is $70k Cad compared to ID 4 Statement Pgk at $54k Cad. both qualify $5k Gov rebate. at $16k gap, i am torn between the 2. ID 4 has 12-18 months wait but there's always people canceling order.
Interesting comparison. I don’t own an EV and it’s unlikely I will until I feel comfortable with the charging network. I currently drive an E-Class Mercedes but their new EQS looks interesting until you checkout their charging network. It is rather anemic compared to Tesla’s. I like the idea of a Tesla but I get the feeling their build quality doesn’t match up to traditional automobile manufacturing standards. So my only sanity check is videos like yours…very helpful.
I felt the same way until recently but the Tesla's charging network is now pretty mature. The pass in LA just washed out and had to take a 4 hour detour through the snow and ice of Mojave but I was never more than 30 miles from a supercharger even in the high dessert. Not just one there were 8-16 at each location and the network keeps expanding. Also the build quality has improved greatly. Obviously look over the new vehicle completely as with any new car but tesla will fix any small issues often right there on the spot.
Good comparison. I have an ID4 but not a Tesla so appreciate your insights. Noted that you said the ID4 ride was not adjustable. It is! From the Mode Menu under the infotainment center. Also noted you said you paid about the same. The Pro S model I got was $46k. Got Fed and State rebates for $12.5k (Tesla only eligible for State 5k). So I'm in at about $34 vs about $55 for Tesla. Don't think the Tesla is worth $20k more.
Yep, misspoke. Was referring to steering wheel adjustments. Definitely aware of Eco, Comfort, Sport modes.....and ability to mix and match. I hear you on cost. To me there is value in extra cargo space, the tech, and most important to me is the reliability of the charging network. With more and more non Tesla TVs coming out, that network is going to REALLY start getting strained. (EA, EVGo, etc) In my opinion....
@@lankyscatchannel9032 Hard to argue on the charging network. The 3 years free charging on EA works well for me because I have a location only 2 miles from my office. I grabbed more than 7,000 KWh from there for free this past year which is a big savings over paying at home or for gas, but it was not uncommon to pull in and find 1 or more of the stations out of service. That wont work as demand for the network grows. As for the tech - it is like a Wii compared to an X-Box but it works and I do 95% with Android Auto, which integrates really well. That Android Auto integration may even be a plus over the Tesla. Last comment - my RWD version seems to do about 20-30 miles better @80% than what you see in the AWD model. I'm in NJ and get 200-210 on a 80% charge (mostly highway at 75+ mph) except when the temps go below 35F. In the winter months the range drops down to 180.
@@wbd102 Apple/Android CarPlay is definitely a plus over Tesla. I had an EA station one block from where I worked, but went out on my own right before delivery😞. Hopefully charging infrastructure grows rapidly. The ID is a nice vehicle.
Hi, I Live in Canada and I have narrowed my choice to those 2 cars. Nevertheless, here in the north Prices are quite similar between the RWD MY (around $60K) and the ID4 AWD Pro S (Around $60K) all toys. Both on them have incentives from government ($12K). Unfortunately the AWD MY is more expensive Dual Motor (Longe Range ($70K) only has 5K of incentives. So that gives a huge difference in price between the 2 models you are comparing to, being the VW 17K cheaper at the end. Do you think that after all that math's the MY AWD still is worth it? or the same vs the RWD MY? Range for RWD MY and ID4 PRO s are quite similar (400km) and AWDMY is 500km. What are your thoughts?
thanks for your insights, trying to help my aunt decide between the two. I am currently pushing her toward a 2023 id4 pro s awd over the model y mainly and only due to the price difference. 2023 id4 pro s still qualifies for the $7500 fed tax credit til the end of the year since the 23 models are built in Chattanooga TN now plus NJ is giving her an extra $2k in rebate for evs under $55k so ends up being around $45k out the door for an id4 pro s awd. I agree the Tesla is better but is it $20k better at its current price? I don't think so. Also the id4 now does auto lane changes which you have to pay Tesla $6k extra to get that feature. But if they were the same price, I would most likely get the Tesla.
If I had to boil it down more, the reason I kept the Y and sold the ID4 was charging infrastructure. EA is just so unreliable. If your aunt is just puttering around town the ID is great.
@@Freecpapadvice agreed EA still needs improvement and teslas can now use a CCS adapter which gives it the advantage of being able to use both networks, but my aunt doesnt road trip and mainly needs something to putt around town. I guess if she does try to road trip, its nice they give 3 years of free charging to put up with some of the growing pains. but yeah tesla is clearly the charging king here purely due to having reliability and choice of networks now.
Got a model Y and will never go back to ICE again. Car is amazing. I also have the CCS adapter and played around with EA chargers, and GOD help you if you are relying on that network. Good luck as your wife will divorce you after the first long distance trip. Tesla is an amazing experience and very happy with the efficiency even in the cold winter.
We have a new ID4 and you’re right. The phone app is still crap and there doesn’t seem to be any ota software updates. VW needs to fire their software engineers and start over. The user interface on the screen is also non-intuitive. Having said that, the car drives beautifully. Just like a VW.
@@lankyscatchannel9032pretty much the answer I get from everyone I ask about it that has a Model Y/3. They worried about it, but quickly forgot about it. I worry about it, but I get my Model Y on friday, and I am sure I will forget about it quickly.
Bro, I’m actually trying to decide between those 2 EV. Thanks for this video! Over here in QC, canada MY is is about 35k more when considering everything like taxes and gouv incitives (you get 12k rebate for the id4 and nothing for MY). Would you still choose the MY ?
MY is overall much better. 35k more and you can get 2 ID4s though. I loved the ID4, but MY is better for me. (Also ordered when it was 53k and 3k in rebates) If you rely on public charging, MY. If you charge at home, ID4. I need cargo of MY as well as range. I also don’t buy cars often.
NIce, i've never ridden in a model y.. only a model 3 and s.. I didn't like the ride height.. felt like I was sitting on the ground practically. Hows the ride height in the Y compared to the ID.4? I have a 2021 Id.4 and really like it.. it's going in for the new 3.1 software and various recalls so I'm looking forward to that even though I mostly use Android Auto. My favorite part about the ID.4 is the comfy seats and the pretty smooth ride.. i'll occasionally punch it to 90+mph just for kicks on the freeway and it feels solid and quiet.. any other car I owned including my last 2017 BMW X3 felt like it was going that fast and dangerous.
Much higher in the Y than the ID4. The ride is definitely more comfortable in the ID4. It would be better on a long road trip strictly from a comfort standpoint.
I own a MYP, and had a service loaner Model 3 once. The M3 reminded me of my '93 Camaro Berlinetta, you sit low to the ground, almost like you're right on top of the road. Definitely has a sporty feel to it. A big difference with the MY is that it sits on rails, I think about 2", so it feels a little less sporty, and definitely don't feel like you're right on top of the road.
great video, I have a 2023 ID.4 Pro S , I'm am debating going with a Used 2021 Model Y with roughly 20K miles. Range worries with me used, is it going to be more than a new Id4. I don't know. I really want more range and I think a used Model Y will give me that. and the there are superchargers everywhere and faster then EA. The more space in the back of the Model Y looks a lot better too. I'm undecided right now / how much would you say you spend on charging with model Y on long roadtrips and is it really 15 mins to 80%?
I'd go with a new Model Y instead of used. You're going to pay about $1500-2000 more for a new Model Y (without including tax benefits), and if you take delivery before 2024 you get 6 months free supercharging and it ends up being $5000 less than a used. Superchargers are so much better than EA. It's crazy to me nobody else has figured out making a charging experience as seamless as Tesla. Truth is I don't pay all that much. Once you get into locations traveling there are often places you can charge level 2 for free. The few times I've had to charge it's like 50% as much as gas. They're also in nice locations where you don't mind hanging out. Speed of charging seems about the same....maybe a little faster with supercharger. Then HUGE difference is how easy it is with Tesla. Just plug in.....that's it. No app, wondering if the stall works, or the delay in the start of charging like with EA. Model Y storage it MUCH bigger than ID4. I love the Y and would get another for sure. If you're going to purchase, consider using my Tesla referral link in the description box of this video....or here: ts.la/jason27133
I subscribed to your channel even though I'm allergic to cats. I've had an ID4 reservation for almost 9 months and my delivery just got pushed out, AGAIN. I test drove a Y today and just placed an order. Thanks for helping me with the decision. BTW, which car does your stupid cat prefer?
Great reviews. But it’s apples and oranges, plus not comparable in price. So if 20k is no big deal, then hop on over to Tesla if techie life is your priority. It is very nice that entertainment system. I saw it today. The fireplace mode is so cool. But $20k cool? The VW ID4 looks amazing! You have now reassured me that I can get an excellent driving car in the 40 thousand $ range vs the 60 thousand $ range. Rather huge difference. Would love a comparison to the volvo or something more price comparable. But so much info here. THANK YOU!
The Big Original Car Manufacturers have to keep there looks , branding and styling whilst trying to incorporate a battery & drivetrain so a Merc don’t look like a BMW etc etc … Tesla got a state of the art battery, drivetrain and interface and designed a car around it … if Apple, google, Amazon decide to venture into the car market then things will become even harder for the historic car manufacturers… let’s see … ps I own a M3P and love it
Unfortunately I think the MY is the better vehicle. However in Canada there is like a 20k price delta between a base MY and a fully loaded ID.4. Based on that I'd go with the ID.4.
At the same price, the MY is definitely the better vehicle. I'd probably even go 5-7500 more and I'd still go with the MY. 20k.....NOPE!!! Actually...that's about what it was less. Sticker was the same, but the federal tax and state tax credits made it 10k less. I don't feel like I'm compromising anything with the Model Y, but get extras I don't get with any of my previous ICE vehicles.
@@lankyscatchannel9032 I can confirm the pricing on the Y in Canada is 20K more and doesn't qualify for rebates. Also you don't need to rotate tires on an AWD.
@@petercorrin2414 The Y does qualify for California rebates. Not federal until 2023. I also ordered it when it was 54k. Why do you say you don't need to rotate tires with an AWD? Everywhere I'm looking it's saying you do.
I agree Walter. In British Columbia, the full load ID4 AWD Pro S is 23,000 (CAD) less than a Model Y, and is eligible for up to 9,000 in rebates (5K Federal, up to 4K Provincial). For sure the Model Y is the superior car in terms of software/range and the charging network, but such a big price difference (up to 32 K) in Canada. (Great review. This is my new favourite Cat Channel!)
@@petercorrin2414 You stated that "you don't need to rotate tires on an AWD". That is not true. BTW, AWD is not the same as these Dual Motor EVs. Eventually, when your vehicles have worn tires, you will find that the usually the rear tires wear faster than the front tires, especially if you have an EV that uses 1 pedal driving (rarely have to use the brakes). But, definitely, there will be a difference in the wear of the front versus rear tires.
Getting rid of ID4. I had always been a fan of Germans, until I bought this shame of German car making. Germany has winter, but it is somehow not prepared for winter AT ALL: 1) we put winter tires from official dealership (Michelin tires mind you), and Anti-slip system started to engage whenever I am trying to accelerate. I WAS ALMOST HIT BY A TRUCK WHEN MERGING to a highway - the car DID NOT ACCELERATE!!!!! THIS IS INSANE!!! the dealership was trying to "dial in" some settings, they invited a VW rep - NO CHANGE. I ended up swapping my tires back to mid season. 2) and now, after the "dialing in" experiment the range at 100% battery load shows 210 miles. I brought it back to the dealership - they can do nothing about it. 3) no heat pump - goodbye range in the winter 4) charging is slow - max charging speed I saw when charging was 65 - 70 kW 5) finding a decent charger is a good luck experience - you have to drive off the highway and there is no guarantee there'll be an available stall that works... AWFUL. We are driving between Boston and NY often - a couple of times we merely made it back home even with a pit stop to recharge... Result: I AM PICKING UP MY TESLA Y this Thursday. ID4 has been such a waste of money. We paid 36K+ for a certified used ID4 a year ago and now trading in for 20K (VW offers me 19K and tries to sell a newer ID 4 - guess my reaction). DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY, IT IS A PIECE OF JUNK! And the best part: Model Y AWD long range is less expensive now... Sorry VW...
You'll love the Y. The things better on the ID4 aren't really worth it overall for the overall horrible experience. Ambient lighting and chair massage can only go so far. I look forward to driving the MY every day! Really good experience. So far a great value, so I hope that continues for the life of the vehicle.
@@Freecpapadvice thank you so much for your feedback! This was our first EV, and a big mistake... I hope with Tesla Y we'll be able to drive between Boston and NY with much less issues. ID4 has been a very scary experience so far. Amen to that:)
Numerous sources report Tesla overstating its range until the battery charge depletes to somewhere below 50%. After that you experience a large reduction in estimated remaining range. Have you experienced this?
Massive price drop on the Model Y in January, combined with the return of the $7,500 tax credit in January now make the Model Y just about the same price, and lower in some cases, than an ID 4. Tesla also retuned the suspension in late 2022, and the new "comfort suspension" greatly improves the ride comfort. Given that the ID5 has less range and much poorer road trip charging, unless you hate something about the Model Y, it is no longer much of a contest about which is the better buy and better car.
@@dansanger5340 I think you mean when you file your 2023 taxes, in 2024. Basically starting in 2024, they will take it off at the point of purchase. Personally I am not sure how that will work. What if you do not have a tax burden of $7500? Will they come after you when you file your taxes and you will have to pay it back?
1 pedal is great on Tesla. I actually really liked the ID4 interior other than the copious amounts of piano black finishes. Performance, range, charging infrastructure, and especially the tech on the Tesla are all reasons I think they overall make a better product.
I enjoyed this. I live in Canada, and it turns out that the key discriminator for me is can you get one here. I can get a Model Y in a few weeks, vs months or years for the alternatives.
I owned Teslas, I just like the charging network, better range, and the storage space that's all. Tesla's ride quality, road noise, and build quality are not good... I like way better the id4 and they are like 10k+ cheaper. Insurance is more expensive on Teslas. I do feel the heat burning my head on Teslas here in Texas and was not a good feeling, AC wasn't cold enough sometimes.
They have improved the ride quality on the 2023 Model Y. Not sure how you figure that the ID.4 is $10K cheaper. You pretty much have to get the ID.4 AWD Pro S to equal the Model Y AWD standard range. You are still getting less range on the ID.4 at that point, with a higher 0-60 time, no rear seat heaters. And that is $53K for the ID.4 vs $48K for the Model Y. If you are comparing the lowest ID.4, to the lowest Model Y, then the ID.4 is about $9K cheaper. But you give up the panoramic roof, the rear seat heaters, power adjustable seats, heated steering wheel, AWD, 70 miles in range, 2.8 seconds in 0-60 time. Definitely if you could only afford around $35K for a car after tax and tax credit, then go for the ID.4. More people will be able to afford that, than the $46K for the cheapest Model Y. But to just get to the cheapest AWD version of ID.4, you are going to be looking at $45K after tax and tax credit.
Great breakdown. They screwed early adopters over with no software updates. I love my 2022 ID4 with 3.1. ID4 is a good value, but Tesla kills it on tech. I would have a Rivian if I had a lot of cash.. Alas, I am an ID4 Pro AWD peasant. When you can laugh at all the suckers paying for gas everyone wins though.
Nice discussion. I think you were pretty accurate on all points. The ID4 was really smooth on my test drives and the interior, while not luxurious, was quality and interesting. If you’ve seen one Tesla Model 3/Y interior, you’ve seen them all. How do you like the ID4’s acceleration compared to the Highlander or Lexus? Zags are rumored to be looking at moving their basketball program to Big XII or PAC-12.
Seats are very comfortable. Luxurious....not at all, but certainly not base either. The acceleration is excellent compared to any gas powered vehicle I've owned. Had a BMW 3 series that was pretty quick, but was much lighter. Improvements in cargo space, user interface, and range would make me consider buying another ID4. Zags should have moved long ago. Only competition has been St. Marys. Now BYU and USF are starting to be tough. High school programs can beat Portland. Same with Pacific. Doesn't help that my Senior prom was held on the Pacific basketball court....make them feel like a high school program too!
I was following a MYP today in my ID4 AWD from a stop. As he smashed down his gas pedal I did the same, and he only pulled away from me for about length of a car when we hit 75mph from 0mph. So it's really not as much difference as it seems on paper. But for daily drive, it's a lot more comfortable. Highlander is definitely no game comparing to the AWD. Maybe it's more comparable to the acceleration of the RWD? IDK.
@@dearbulls ..not that it is important or anything, but the tesla could have been in either of the 3 acceleration modes - comfort, standard or sport with seconds difference between tham.
The lack of a speedo is a game changer, having the speed on the laptop is dangerous in my opinion, and so is the lack of a dealer/service network especially as cars get older. Eventually, if Tesla gets away with having no dealer network all the other car manufacturers will follow, it's a no-brainer, then they take all the profit and can scrap the dealer network and replace it with a Ranger service, and a few service centres around the country . If that happens when you have a problem they won't know who you are, you will have to schedule an appointment online and wait, and there will be no personal rapport or relationship with someone who you know locally like it is now with say Ford.
I worried about the speedo as well. My brother has a Model 3 for about two years now. He said it took less than a week to get used to it and now he does not even notice that he does not have a driver display.
You can get used to anything but it's not safe, the lack of knobs for climate control is also annoying and unsafe, and the build quality of the car is sh1t . @@jiminauburn5073
What is the real world range for both vehicles? If charged to 80% because we all know it’s always less than stated. I’m torn between Model y, mach-e premium and iD4…… ugh
Don't feel comfortable enough with the MY to make a statement, but ID4 without AC is about 150-170. With AC is about 20 miles less. It states 200 miles at 80% I can say the MY is significantly less though. A trip to a specific baseball complex 70 miles from my home round trip I was nervous as hell I wouldn't have enough to get back home with AC on. In the MY I was doing 80mph and arrived back home with 160 miles range to spare. That was charged to 90% though...but still clearly better in terms of range and efficiency. (note the accurate range estimate with stated range being 296 at 90% charge.) ID4 is beautiful inside and out. I'd buy another one, but would wait several years for range, cargo, and user interface improvements. Neighbor has Mach E. I'm not impressed at all personally.
MSRP price comparison is irrelevant, as it doesn't include cost of financing. A better way is comparing monthly payments on a 3-year lease with $0 down. As here tesla is 30% more expansive.
Yeah the ID.4 is really an alternative vehicle. It has some good things about it for sure. Charging network is more important than people think and Tesla has the best period. Tesla has the best software and they constantly update it and provide now features for free. The range and performance is also better. The VW is a 🐌 in the EV world. I would never buy one. Enjoying the Model Y Performance and will be staying with Tesla for sure.
It would be great if you could share my why the VW free charging is a gimmick. If you have an electrify network charger near you, it seems it would a great selling point. Thanks for the video.
Mostly because charging at home for me is so inexpensive and convenient. I do have two EA chargers near me and I never use them.....other than for making a video or when I thought it was a great idea. Essentially I was spending 30-40 minutes at a charging station to save $5. This was time I could have spent editing or creating videos for my other "real" channel, or doing my consultations. But I was just sitting there to save $5.....it was crazy. For long road trips it's great, but that is about 1% of my driving.....if not less. So it comes with the purchase which is nice, but ultimately I think "they" know it's not going to cost them that much overall. And don't get me started on availability and reliability of the EA network. It's pretty bad.
@@lankyscatchannel9032 Thanks for some clarification. So it seems that the free EA charging is just not right for you. Maybe calling it a gimmick is a bit harsh? Anyways, I recently got the ID.4 and appreciate your video with some solid insights. I'll be testing out the EA network soon. Take care.
Hi I got my ID.4 made in Tennessee last month and the issue you are facing with yours are not present on my model (new center console and version 3.1 OTA)😮. WV is getting better but it is not a software company and I agree with you on Volkswagen app is a joke! My neighbor has a MY and I would not buy it. Let said I have the less worst of the 2. I opted for the ID4 since it is an SUV and not a car.
A nice comparison I have to say! VW is a car company and Tesla is a tech company, thus given their strong/weak points. I do hope VW gets it together and finds some software engineers that can take their EVs to the next "Tesla" level.
They have not done that, at least not in the US. There were lots of articles in July and August about it happening by the end of this year, which in Elon language means, if you're lucky, they'll be open in 2025. What they did recently do, is "offer" their plug as the standard for the country, ie all automakers can now opt to use the Tesla port instead of ccs on their cars. Zero have taken them up on it yet, but we'll see. If you can't tell yet, I'm not a big fan of Tesla... But that said, if you're going to rely heavily on DC fast charging, you probably should get a Tesla. Otherwise, don't make any decisions based on theoretical access to the supercharger network. You might have another new car by the time that happens, if ever.
Doesn't make me happy. Long term I think it's for the good of EV adoption....which I actually don't care about. The TESLA connection (NAS?) is far superior to CCS and needs to be adopted worldwide.
You forgot to add that starting price on Model Y is 66k and for the ID.4 it's 42.4k (for the bigger of the two battery options), so you are talking about a 23k difference between them.
This has now changed. Currently the ID4 the starting price is 44.000 and Tesla Model Y is 47.000 euro. Only 3.000 difference. And the ID4 has a 52kWh battery and the Model Y a 60kWh and its more efficient. Massive range difference. And the basic ID4 has little to no options. While the Model Y is loaded with options standard which u normally have to add on with Volkswagen. If u do that it would even become much more expensive than the Model Y. Regarding price the Model Y is better. But choosing which car u like is personal.
Base price as of today 02 Feb 2023 for the model Y Long range is $54,990 and in the US there is a $7,500 tax credit. This may change in the future. Imho, the software on the model Y is vastly superior and with EVs it’s all about the software.
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Nice video. I opted for the ID4 when the Model Y started at $65k and the ID4 started at $43k. It was really a no-brainer at that point, although the Model Y has had massive price cuts since then.
I'm actually getting very good range on my 2023 RWD ID4, with estimated summer range showing at 250 to 270 at 80% charge, which I have confirmed in real world driving. On my last long day trip, the real world range was the equivalent of 325 miles, versus EPA range of 275 miles.
RUclipsr Bjorn Nyland compared cargo capacity with his "banana box test," which is exactly what it sounds like. He found that the Model Y and ID4 can carry the exact same number of banana boxes in the rear, with the Model Y having room for one extra banana box in the frunk. So, they're actually closer than many people think.
Ride quality is a matter of taste, but I much prefer a softer ride like in the ID4. I'm all about comfort.
You're right that the ID4 app is trash. It can reasonably reliably be used to check charge status, and turn charging on and off, but that's about all I use it for. It would be nice to have a full featured app like Tesla has.
Regarding the infotainment, the Model Y has much better built-in software, but the ID4 supports Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, which the Model Y doesn't. I love Android Auto, and prefer it to built-in apps for several reasons: Huge choice of apps, automatic synching of music and podcasts entering and leaving vehicle, no monthly fees like in Model Y. Because I use it all the time, for me a car without support for Apple CarPlay and Android Auto is a big negative, almost to the point of being a dealbreaker.
Model Y has a better charging network for sure. But, I think that will even out, and disappear entirely if Tesla follows through with their plans to turn the charging network into a profit center by opening it up to other vehicles. Like a lot of people, I rarely ever use fast charging, so it's not a huge consideration for me.
Overall, I'm very happy with the ID4. My biggest complaint by far is that it doesn't automatically lock the doors when you walk away. But, that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
For anyone getting a new EV, the Model Y is definitely the safe bet. It's like the old saying in IT "You'll never get fired for choosing IBM." But, if you know exactly what is important to you in an EV, and do a lot of research, the ID4 might be a better fit for some people.
I can't say who's the safer bet, esp since Tesla/Musk wants and needs OTA updates to fix everything for you.
IF you are in the US, Tesla is the only real one available in volume. In the EU, I would never consider one, but ironically they all are made better.
@@sprockkets VW's ID4 factory in the US is up and running, so there isn't a shortage anymore. You can now buy them off the dealer lot, and some dealers are offering them below MSRP.
@@dansanger5340 Well, atm they are now $3k more than they were when they first came out for comparable battery size. And no news on having a heat pump in the US made ones.
I'm probably going used Niro EV or Kona if the price is right. Used prices for id4 are not worth it, esp if they are the ones that have issues.
@@sprockkets Niro and Kona seem like good choices. I've heard that their owners are happy with them.
Since this video was made, I think VW has fixed many of their problems. I bought a 2023 AWD ID4 about a month ago, and it does have OTA updates. I haven't used Electrify America much, but when I did, I didn't have any problems. As for the tires, the dealer told me right up front that the front and rear tires were different. So I would say that VW is cleaning up its act. One more thing - both cars are vastly better than any ICE car.
I would think problems only hit a small percentage of cars. How high is that pct determine the quality of the car. So I don't think because you got a good one it means things have improved.
Sorry to say that: after 2 weeks of driving MY (traded in my ID4) i now realize - there is no compromise to Tesla. Charging accessibility is simply outstanding. My trips Boston - NY are not making me panic anymore.
Buying ANY ev but tesla is like buying a train without rails.
We actually have both as well. I drive a Model Y Long Range and my wife drives an ID.4 Pro S RWD. I am very happy with both purchases and have no regrets overall. i think the tesla is superior with regard to infotainment, range, navigation and charging. but i think the vw has a better ride, build quality and it has a sun shade. there isn't enough tint in the world to block out the Georgia sun.
Fair. Ty.
Love the turning headlights and curb lights, accent lights, illuminated logos on our VW. Love there is a sunshade and it’s quiet with no electric motor sound. Love that it’s comfortable and has massaging seats. Love that VW probably won’t screw me over in the near future and if I do need something I can reach a human, not an app. Love I can control the driving modes, control regen braking option, and can physically move a vent- a vent to hvac system that doesn’t sound like a tornado. But what about the lack of heat pump in US!? No problem- there’s a heated window for that. VW>Tesla any day. I’ve owned 2 of each.
Great video! I have a 2021 RWD ID4 and really enjoy it. It’s my first electric and I usually don’t drive more than 50 miles/day. I’m able to use level 1 charging in my garage. I’ve taken one day trip that required public charging, used an EA charger for free charging & it was flawless. So this car suits me just fine. Your comparison between the two was great, thank you!
In Canada... (all prices in CDN $)
The VW ID4 (275 miles of range) starts at $40,000 - $12,000 (tax credit) = $28,000
The Tesla Model Y (330 miles of range) starts at $70,000 - $5,000 (tax credit) = $65,000
It's surprising folks are ready to pay 2.3x the price for the Tesla. Based on your experience, would you pay so much more for the Model Y?
And that's after yesterday's massive price cut, the Model Y started at $85,000 before the $15,000 price reduction.
* Cars under $60,000 get an additional $7,000 provincial tax credit
Love your outro! Great info!
Dude you’re actually so funny and that outtro made me subscribe!
Here before 1k
I don't know if that 1k mark is going to happen in 2023. You've got time! 😂
(thanks for the sub)
Yep... loved the presentation... hopefully now the id4 is made in usa the over the air updates can alleviate the burdens. Agreed the id4 is heavy but I do love the road handling. Really feels comfortable and it can take the corners at speed.
I love my ID.4 pro S. Everything you say in the video is accurate regarding the ID.4. Thanks for the review,
I have been driving a VW ID4 for about 3 weeks, and I really dig it. I have the ProS AWD in Moonstone Grey, and I have had a lot of compliments on both the interior and exterior. The interior is well-built, clean and simple. The exterior is very distinguished, especially at night. I have received compliments on both from friends and strangers. It is clearly still a novelty vehicle, though it could be mistaken for a Tiguan to the casual observer. Bottom line, no problem pulling this VW into the valet lane at a black tie event.
The driving experience has evolved into multiple modes: ECO, Comfort, Sport and AWD and all are true to their description. Sport in particular is a blast with a one pedal driving experience. Tried out the AWD on a morning with a slick of skim snow on the roads and it had a performance consistent with an Audi Quattro in a similar condition; it remains to be seen how it will work under more challenging conditions, but the point is that I could be confident with a no-slip experience.
Speaking of the driving experience, speed is a factor. Between the very quiet interior and the lack of sensation from a working ICE or transmission one can readily drift into a 90+ MPF situation if there is no traffic on the highway; again, part of the learning curve as an EV driver. Totally agree with this guy on the regenerative braking experience, but that also is part of the adaptation to the EV driving experience IMHO.
There are a lot of criticisms of the infotainment system in reviews throughout the web but I found it no harder to adapt than any other new gizmo. (For the record, I have test driven the Tesla Model S several times and it never put the bite onto me in any category.) I definitely agree that the Apple CarPlay features are in many ways superior to the proprietary VW system, but I have found that to be the case with the software offered in US domestic cars such as the Camaro. Pick your interface and move on.
The app definitely needs work, but as a longtime VW owner and enthusiast I have every confidence that VW will improve that feature in the near future. There is definitely a lag in turning on the climate control and defrosters from the app. I have not torture tested the Electrify America charging network because I live about .4 miles from my dealer where I get free charging. It has been gratifying enough so far to drive down there, plug it in, glance down the street at the Exxon station where petrol is $4.69 for unleaded regular and then cross the street to a great Italian restaurant for dinner. To date, I have paid $20 for a single charge as part of stashing the vehicle in a parking garage in Manhattan so that was an expensive convenience charge. The road trip experience awaits, but I am not deterred. I like the leisurely pause on the road to the destination.
Bottom line, as with most tech, one needs to make a decision as to how an EV, particularly the ID4, fits into your lifestyle. I am meshed with my karma with the ID4. Like Dr. Hunter S. Thompson said, "Buy the ticket, take the ride".
I don’t think I disagree with anything you wrote. My problems were unreliable charging away from home (too much worry when EA failed or was down) and the cargo size. I knew this going in thinking it wouldn’t be a factor, but it was. They do look great, are quiet, perform very well, but the other factors were weighted heavily for my needs.
Very helpful, thanks!
I got a used 23 vw id.4 pro s awd with 961 miles for $29,325. Couldn't touch a used Tesla y awd for that price,. We love the car and it has a DC fast charge rate of 170kw.
Very good comparison. Thanks!
I have a 2023 ID.4 Pro S RWD, and it has many things fixed. It has a 82 kWh battery and much improved range.
Why does everyone go on about how great the navigation is in the model y? They don't even have an option to "avoid highways" which EVERY SINGLE satnav I've ever used has. A truely good navigation is in Polestar with its android automotive and Google maps.
I owned a model y for a year and have owned 5 EVs and the model y is my least favorite....no one talks about the stuff the model y lacks.
No rear wiper
No sun shade(you did mention that)
No blind spot monitoring
No 360 view
No cross traffic momitors
No "avoid highways" on maps
Harsh ride(mentioned that)
Loud
Worst auto wipers on the planet(even Elon acknowledged this)
No wiper stalk
No driver
Paint that pops off unbelievably easy
Can't talk to service when needed ...have to use messaging which at times can be very frustrating when trying to describe issues.
Door handles that freeze shut in cold climates
No buttons or switchgear. And yes this is important for ergonomics and to provide a safe and enjoyable drive.
I'm taking delivery of an id4 on Monday which will be my 6th ev so I'm not sure how it will compare to my model y but I really didn't enjoy my y at all. But it can make fart noises so it's all cool.
3.1 software solves almost all of the infotainment and driving issues. Personally I don’t like 1 pedal driving and the fact that id4 has regenerative braking when pressing brake pedal is a plus. Turn radius on id4 is one of most underrated features. When I bought my ID4 it was 10k cheaper than model Y plus 7500 incentive, if they were priced same probably go for model Y only for better charge network. Great review of both cars!
ID4 is far superior to either Y or 3. ID4 feels like an electrified yet practical German automobile. The T’s feel like NYC Camry taxi cabs after 200,000- right out of the factory.
There are so many little things that german makers do that are like, yeah, duh. Like having the backup camera underneath the vw logo to keep it clean when not in use.
@@sprockkets 2 disappoints with id4 are backup camera NOT underneath VW logo like other models and capacitive buttons, it's a bit sensitive and laggy. My old e-golf was the ideal car just needed double the range.
Great video, amazing talking points and Comparisions.
Great comparison, thank you
This is the most accurate review I've seen comparing these two cars.
Well done!
I have a 3 LR and would like a softer ride but that's it on complaints, everything else feels just perfect so kinda doubtful I'll give all that up.
Very good review! One thing I am interested in for the ID.4 is the towing capability. I haven't really looked into Tesla's towing capability, but the fact that I could pulled my boat with an electric vehicle is amazing. I guess if I really want towing capacity, I should be looking at the Ford Lightning. Thanks again.
Up to 2,700 lbs with proS AWD. They come standard with 1.5” or maybe something else but not 2”for sure
Your right I am having a huge issue paying 65k. I have a RWD id4 on order. If Tesla brings back the standard range or Lower 4680 model for 60k I will order it. 16k price difference is a big deal for me.
That difference is a big deal for me too. The MY was purchased for $54k....my delivery was delayed for over a year.
Tesla just got epa approval for a standard range model Y. 2023 model.
Thanks for the honest review!! I own a M 3 LR btw. The longer you have one the more you appreciate the ease of use of the Tesla s interface and lack of buttons. The 5-star safety rating and charging network of the Tesla is the ultimate decider for me.
But that can't be true about 5 star safety....news people tell me they're bad. [I need to deep dive this subject]
@@lankyscatchannel9032 highest tested safety ratings in USA and europe.
Lots if misinformation by those who are againt tesla and change in general.
Really helpful video
Love my ID4. Just got it. I'm getting my OTA update soon!
Great review. Thx.
As a a tall large man with serious injuries, I can tell you the Tesla is NOT comfortable in any seat, especially for long time periods it triggers screaming back spasms!
The ID is totally comfortable in all seats
You are able to provide a unique perspective by actually owning both vehicles. I have about 7,000 miles on a Pro S AWD id.4, and only have limited exposure to the Model Y based on driving friends' vehicles. That said, there are a few things I would disagree with in your assessment of the id.4. First, the range - we regularly are driving 230-280 miles per full charge before having to charge again. Your sub-200 mile experience doesn't sound right. Secondly, we have made extensive use of the Electrify America network for free fast charging. I live on the east coast, so maybe there is a higher density of those stations than where you live to account for the difference in experience, but in those 7,000 miles (which has included many long road trips), I have yet to pay a penny in fast charging. Third, I subjectively find the build quality and ride quality of the id.4 to be vastly superior to the Model Y. The damping is better, the ride is smoother and more compliant, and to me the cabin is substantially quieter. All of those things add up over longer road trips. You mentioned the ambient lighting in the id.4, but the overall interior lighting is also superior (in my opinion) to the Model Y, which feels like a cave at night. I also own three different trailers, so towing is key for me. I didn't have to pay anything to get a tow hitch and related wiring installed - it was standard with the id.4. The one modification I did there was to replace the 1.25" receiver with a bolt-compatible 2 inch one, so I wouldn't have to use an adapter. Lastly, VW has nice touches, like the motorized glass roof screen, absent in the Model Y, and I also feel the interior materials are nicer than the Model Y. The storage space difference is as you described, and for that I envy the Model Y. That said, my family of four can still easily do multi-day overnight trips and bring everything we need to. The 30.3 cubic feet behind the rear seats is still substantially more than the 16.4 cubic feet in the 2012 Hyundai Sonata that this car replaced. And at the time we purchased it (December of 2022), the Model Y was not eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit, but this model year 2023 made-in-Tennessee id.4 was, so it was substantially cheaper than the Model Y.
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Had no idea that the front and back tires are different sizes. That's the first. Rotating tires are important to help keep an even wear especially if it's a front or rear wheel drive.
I’ve owned a new 22 id4 since 11/2022. Been on four road trips and charged with EA every time with very few issues. Never left without charging though. Also never had an issue with software updates. Seems to be an outdated problem. It’s all personal preference I guess, and I’ve never driven a MY. Drove a M3 for a week, and loved some of the features. The cameras and automatic shut-off with the turn signals are fantastic. The range on the M3 was almost identical to the id4. But I did hate the turning radius and was annoyed that every function is on one screen. I still prefer steering wheel controls and CarPlay. Seats on the M3 were very comfortable, but I did wonder how bigger people would fit in them. It was tight for me, and I’m 5’11”/180. Interior build quality is definitely better on the id4, but they’ve been making cars a lot longer. The piano black needs to go for the reasons you stated.
Great overview of your two cars! I’m such a Tesla fan and 3 main reasons:
ID 4 doesn’t have a frunk, poor software and the lack of charging stations, as you mentioned!!😂
I prefer also the Model Y and performance is way more better. I got mine last July and I personally liked from the rest of the EVs.
I agree in every thing you say. In my case I had a model 3 2021 LR for about 1.5 year and 24000 miles. Changed to an id4 in december and with 2200 miles behind me now. Only thing missing in your review...In the winter time id4 is 50% less effective and the fast charge takes 100% longer time. If you drive a lot in cold climate Tesla is the way to go. But the towing hook is better on id4 and soon maybe V2H/V2L? will work, that could be a gamechanger for some.
Why'd you get rid of the model 3?
Interesting these cars are so close in comparison considering the Model Y is almost $35k more in Canada at the moment. ($52K for Pro S AWD vs $87k for Model Y Longe Range)
The rational decision seems to learn towards vw. Too bad humans still prefer emotional decision making lol.
@@doublesman0 ID 4 is also has better built quality and much comfortable ride. I would take those over Tesla
Very helpful video, thank you. How much do you pay to insure each car?
I love my model Y, it is basically a big well functioning gadget on wheels.
There is no right or wrong. You like what you like. Great comparison video! Thanks!
How strange. I just watched one of your videos yesterday!
Crazy how the Y price dropped $10,000 since this came out and also qualifies for $7500 tax credit on top of that. Thanks for the review- it was a great but we didn't get the cat's perspective. Maybe next time.
I ended up getting a new ID4 pro s AWD over the Y model mainly due to better fit and finish and comfortable ride. I just think Tesla’s front end is extremely ugly (unfinished) unlike the X model. But you are right about the range w/ ID 4 esp in the Winter time. My ID 4 w/ 3.1 works just fine, no issues at all.
Thank you for this review, it was the Simply the Best and Better than All the Rest!! I am buying one of these cars any day and cannot decide. This was helpful. I drove them all S,3,X,&Y at Tesla yesterday and was exhausted from the adrenaline rush and fell in love with ID4 a few weeks ago. Diving back in to drive ID4 again today. Thought I'd wait for the 2024 updates to make final decision. Pros and Cons of each. Now down to these Y AWD and Id4 AWD pro S Go Zags
Go Zags indeed!!!! There are things with the ID4 I really felt was withheld from me. Tires in the front and back are different sizes, so no rotating and they will wear much faster. Then asked about it the sales at VW downplayed it. It's a big deal.
If you're just cruising around town (charging at home) and don't need much cargo area, the ID4 is pretty cool.....but.
ID4 is put together well, but it's just not well thought out. The Tesla I'm actually loving more and more the longer I've owned it. The app is ridiculously amazing and more importantly, helpful. Cooling car before you get there...remotely view cameras, check charge, see location....etc. Id4 app was horrible....almost a joke.
If you aren't going to be charging at home, the Electrify America network is so bad, it's actually scary. The Tesla superchargers are plentiful and just simply work.
The Y is the perfect vehicle in my opinion. Great price, great size, great efficiency. People will knock it because "everyone has one." That's because it's a great vehicle. There are cons for sure, but the pros far outweigh them for my needs. (small things that can be resolved with aftermarket products)
I did have some buyers remorse a few months after getting the ID4. On the other hand, my wife (who didn't want a Tesla) is considering getting a Tesla for herself.
If you happen to get a Tesla, use my referral link: ts.la/jason27133 I think you get $500-1000 off depending on what model you get, and I get some supercharger miles!!!
I have a Mercedes EQA and some MY-time aswell. I think the EQA rides much more refined and has a much better interior. And MBUX is actually quite nice. They cost about the same here in Denmark.
I WAnt to try out that mercades so bad!
Tesla has a well known build quality issue. You don't have to believe my words but just Google about it. I would go with ID4.
Great fun vid
Great video! The ID4, MY, Mache-E, and Ioniq 5 are the vehicles I'm considering. The MY and Mach-E are my first choices, but the price increase on both vehicles have taken them out of the running. The Ioniq 5 has a great charging curve, but I plan to do most of my charging at home. I also plan to put an obscene amount of miles on my next vehicle and I have more trust in VW than Hyundai when it comes to driving more than 200k miles. Thanks for helping me choose.
I have the Y, its GREAT I have driven it across the country and back and the charging network for Tesla is AMAZING. They also have a new offer where you cann get free fast charging.
wonder what you ended up buying?
@@heyheythecat the price cuts have put the MY back in the race. We'll see what availability is looking like when I return to the US.
@@htiek30120 MY :)
For what it's worth, I've had the MY as a company car and friend owns an Ioniq 5. Out of those two, I'd choose the I5 anytime. The Y has terrible ride quality, super glitchy "autopilot", a makes all kinds of squakes and rattles,...The I5 was comfortable, driver assist functions are more reliable, much better put together... And buttons that do things without me taking eyes off the road.
I own an European ID.4 First Edition and have driven a Tesla Model 3 very often. I basically agree with your review. However, my ID.4 has recently being updated over the air to the 3.0 version and many, many software flaws have been fixed. Travel assist works great now and the capacitive steering wheel makes no necessary to move it for the car to detect you are there (not available in Tesla). The App is not great but now it works and Volkswagen has changed and updated the backend servers so the communication with the vehicle now works. Recently Tesla has dropped the prices and now for 45k€ you can buy a Tesla Model Y (range 430km) or an ID.4 (range 520km). Nevertheless, I have to say that the software in Tesla cars is way better than the software in Volkswagen cars. But, as you said in the video, the build quality is way better in Volkswagen (despite the ugly piano black plastic).
Thanks. Are ordering the Model Y, next monday. I cooked it down to the two cars. I am not i doubt anymore. 👍
the new 2013 ID 4 has the new 3.1 software that greatly improves the experience with tavel assist and now new non-crappy interface. And still has apple play(which Tesla does not have) which my wife still loves. And still has an open roof that you can actually see the sky. and does not make my wife throw up every time I accelerate, and Now is about 57 K compare to the Tesla at about 70 K (both figures including tax and License) on comparable all wheel drive cars). and for the time being a unique look compared with Tesla which is around every corner in my home in Northern California. and redesigned console for better placement for your phone, and cool new cosmic blue interior, has faster charging time and greater range then the previous yrs. and has cooool VW lit up badge at night. and now made in USA and atleast will get half of the 7500 rebate, and best of all the VW dealer is only a couple of miles from me Just in case .
Have you taken delivery of a cosmic interior? I have an Arctic Blue/cosmic AWD pro S on order, and have not seen either the color or the interior in person yet, but very excited to see both when it comes in, hopefully next month.
How is the cosmic, if you've seen one in person yet?
Thanks for the Video. I have a model Y and I LOVE it. - I don't think the id4 would hold up to my kind of use but its a cute car and I love that it's a little smaller
The ID is definitely a better looking car (in my opinion). The footprint is the same between the two (more or less). The lack of cargo in the ID4 drove me nuts. Charging away from home was harder than it should be too.
@@lankyscatchannel9032 mmm interesting. I do love how the id4 is but I love the convenience of charging with my Tesla and the cargo space is INCREDIBLE
ID.4 is the same width as the M3, whereas the MY is nearly 3 inches wider. That's a little fat here in the UK. The range, efficiency and charging infrastructure are key benefits of the Tesla, but Elon has talked about giving away one of those advantages.
"Surely it can't fit all in there!"
Yes it can, and don't call me Shirley
Nice job
We had this dilemma but got the model 3 long range after driving them all.
Nice video! I have had an ID.3 (ID.4s little sister) on lease for two years, and can recognize all the nice and ugly things you describe about the ID.4. Planning my next car, I have been a bit torn between the ID.4 and the TMY, but landed on the Tesla; even if the VW is a nice drive, the range and features in the Tesla makes it superior. And to top it off, Tesla offers finance with 2% lower interest rates than all others. Will take delivery of a German made Y with the new Cherry Red next summer; really looking forward to that! But at the same time I will miss the small and agile turn-on-a-dime VW. All the best to you!
Cherry Red.....NICE!!! Would love the quicksilver myself, but also not offered here. Thanks for stopping by.
I didn't know Tesla financed.
Actually this November I pulled the trigger and ended up going with the ID4 AWD Pro S. Dealers have 2023s on the lot and are offering $5k off on the Pro S models and 3.9% financing up to 72 months. The TMY was going to cost me 5k more up front and much more in financing costs with Tesla being at 6.9%. Besides the ID4 has a tow hitch included, memory massaging seats. We'll see how it works out but it certainty is a very nice ride. Also Aurora Red Metalic is very sharp looking.
i am in Toronto, right now MY LR Dual Motor AWD is $70k Cad compared to ID 4 Statement Pgk at $54k Cad. both qualify $5k Gov rebate. at $16k gap, i am torn between the 2. ID 4 has 12-18 months wait but there's always people canceling order.
Interesting comparison. I don’t own an EV and it’s unlikely I will until I feel comfortable with the charging network. I currently drive an E-Class Mercedes but their new EQS looks interesting until you checkout their charging network. It is rather anemic compared to Tesla’s. I like the idea of a Tesla but I get the feeling their build quality doesn’t match up to traditional automobile manufacturing standards. So my only sanity check is videos like yours…very helpful.
I felt the same way until recently but the Tesla's charging network is now pretty mature. The pass in LA just washed out and had to take a 4 hour detour through the snow and ice of Mojave but I was never more than 30 miles from a supercharger even in the high dessert. Not just one there were 8-16 at each location and the network keeps expanding. Also the build quality has improved greatly. Obviously look over the new vehicle completely as with any new car but tesla will fix any small issues often right there on the spot.
I still drive my model S from 2017. Far from perfect but perfect for me! I lov it
Did you get free supercharging for life?
@@lankyscatchannel9032 Yes as long as I keep this car in my account
Good comparison. I have an ID4 but not a Tesla so appreciate your insights.
Noted that you said the ID4 ride was not adjustable. It is! From the Mode Menu under the infotainment center.
Also noted you said you paid about the same. The Pro S model I got was $46k. Got Fed and State rebates for $12.5k (Tesla only eligible for State 5k). So I'm in at about $34 vs about $55 for Tesla. Don't think the Tesla is worth $20k more.
Yep, misspoke. Was referring to steering wheel adjustments. Definitely aware of Eco, Comfort, Sport modes.....and ability to mix and match.
I hear you on cost. To me there is value in extra cargo space, the tech, and most important to me is the reliability of the charging network. With more and more non Tesla TVs coming out, that network is going to REALLY start getting strained. (EA, EVGo, etc) In my opinion....
@@lankyscatchannel9032 Hard to argue on the charging network. The 3 years free charging on EA works well for me because I have a location only 2 miles from my office. I grabbed more than 7,000 KWh from there for free this past year which is a big savings over paying at home or for gas, but it was not uncommon to pull in and find 1 or more of the stations out of service. That wont work as demand for the network grows.
As for the tech - it is like a Wii compared to an X-Box but it works and I do 95% with Android Auto, which integrates really well. That Android Auto integration may even be a plus over the Tesla.
Last comment - my RWD version seems to do about 20-30 miles better @80% than what you see in the AWD model. I'm in NJ and get 200-210 on a 80% charge (mostly highway at 75+ mph) except when the temps go below 35F. In the winter months the range drops down to 180.
@@wbd102 Apple/Android CarPlay is definitely a plus over Tesla.
I had an EA station one block from where I worked, but went out on my own right before delivery😞. Hopefully charging infrastructure grows rapidly. The ID is a nice vehicle.
Hi, I Live in Canada and I have narrowed my choice to those 2 cars. Nevertheless, here in the north Prices are quite similar between the RWD MY (around $60K) and the ID4 AWD Pro S (Around $60K) all toys. Both on them have incentives from government ($12K). Unfortunately the AWD MY is more expensive Dual Motor (Longe Range ($70K) only has 5K of incentives. So that gives a huge difference in price between the 2 models you are comparing to, being the VW 17K cheaper at the end. Do you think that after all that math's the MY AWD still is worth it? or the same vs the RWD MY? Range for RWD MY and ID4 PRO s are quite similar (400km) and AWDMY is 500km. What are your thoughts?
thanks for your insights, trying to help my aunt decide between the two. I am currently pushing her toward a 2023 id4 pro s awd over the model y mainly and only due to the price difference. 2023 id4 pro s still qualifies for the $7500 fed tax credit til the end of the year since the 23 models are built in Chattanooga TN now plus NJ is giving her an extra $2k in rebate for evs under $55k so ends up being around $45k out the door for an id4 pro s awd. I agree the Tesla is better but is it $20k better at its current price? I don't think so. Also the id4 now does auto lane changes which you have to pay Tesla $6k extra to get that feature. But if they were the same price, I would most likely get the Tesla.
If I had to boil it down more, the reason I kept the Y and sold the ID4 was charging infrastructure. EA is just so unreliable.
If your aunt is just puttering around town the ID is great.
@@Freecpapadvice agreed EA still needs improvement and teslas can now use a CCS adapter which gives it the advantage of being able to use both networks, but my aunt doesnt road trip and mainly needs something to putt around town. I guess if she does try to road trip, its nice they give 3 years of free charging to put up with some of the growing pains. but yeah tesla is clearly the charging king here purely due to having reliability and choice of networks now.
Got a model Y and will never go back to ICE again. Car is amazing. I also have the CCS adapter and played around with EA chargers, and GOD help you if you are relying on that network. Good luck as your wife will divorce you after the first long distance trip. Tesla is an amazing experience and very happy with the efficiency even in the cold winter.
We own two Teslas: Model Y P and a Model S P and I have amnesia for the 100 past cars we have owned.
We have a new ID4 and you’re right. The phone app is still crap and there doesn’t seem to be any ota software updates. VW needs to fire their software engineers and start over. The user interface on the screen is also non-intuitive. Having said that, the car drives beautifully. Just like a VW.
Wondering how do you find not having a drivers display or heads up in the Tesla?
Was a concern before I drove it...now it's not even a concern at all. Instead of looking slightly down, I look slightly down and right.
@@lankyscatchannel9032pretty much the answer I get from everyone I ask about it that has a Model Y/3. They worried about it, but quickly forgot about it. I worry about it, but I get my Model Y on friday, and I am sure I will forget about it quickly.
Bro, I’m actually trying to decide between those 2 EV. Thanks for this video! Over here in QC, canada MY is is about 35k more when considering everything like taxes and gouv incitives (you get 12k rebate for the id4 and nothing for MY). Would you still choose the MY ?
MY is overall much better.
35k more and you can get 2 ID4s though. I loved the ID4, but MY is better for me. (Also ordered when it was 53k and 3k in rebates)
If you rely on public charging, MY. If you charge at home, ID4.
I need cargo of MY as well as range. I also don’t buy cars often.
@@Freecpapadvice thanks for the quick reply!
What did you choose?
I actually could not get eider so I got a Kona Ev while I wait for my ID.4
Charging Tesla charging infrastructure is a big positive if you're doing any long distance travels.
NIce, i've never ridden in a model y.. only a model 3 and s.. I didn't like the ride height.. felt like I was sitting on the ground practically. Hows the ride height in the Y compared to the ID.4? I have a 2021 Id.4 and really like it.. it's going in for the new 3.1 software and various recalls so I'm looking forward to that even though I mostly use Android Auto. My favorite part about the ID.4 is the comfy seats and the pretty smooth ride.. i'll occasionally punch it to 90+mph just for kicks on the freeway and it feels solid and quiet.. any other car I owned including my last 2017 BMW X3 felt like it was going that fast and dangerous.
Much higher in the Y than the ID4. The ride is definitely more comfortable in the ID4. It would be better on a long road trip strictly from a comfort standpoint.
I own a MYP, and had a service loaner Model 3 once. The M3 reminded me of my '93 Camaro Berlinetta, you sit low to the ground, almost like you're right on top of the road. Definitely has a sporty feel to it. A big difference with the MY is that it sits on rails, I think about 2", so it feels a little less sporty, and definitely don't feel like you're right on top of the road.
Dirty boy. Wow. I wasn’t expecting that! 😃
Great video. Smart man
Love the ID.4 . But as you said the charging network is pretty lame. But 80% of our charging is at home with solar panels!!!
great video, I have a 2023 ID.4 Pro S , I'm am debating going with a Used 2021 Model Y with roughly 20K miles. Range worries with me used, is it going to be more than a new Id4. I don't know. I really want more range and I think a used Model Y will give me that. and the there are superchargers everywhere and faster then EA. The more space in the back of the Model Y looks a lot better too. I'm undecided right now / how much would you say you spend on charging with model Y on long roadtrips and is it really 15 mins to 80%?
I'd go with a new Model Y instead of used. You're going to pay about $1500-2000 more for a new Model Y (without including tax benefits), and if you take delivery before 2024 you get 6 months free supercharging and it ends up being $5000 less than a used.
Superchargers are so much better than EA. It's crazy to me nobody else has figured out making a charging experience as seamless as Tesla.
Truth is I don't pay all that much. Once you get into locations traveling there are often places you can charge level 2 for free. The few times I've had to charge it's like 50% as much as gas. They're also in nice locations where you don't mind hanging out. Speed of charging seems about the same....maybe a little faster with supercharger. Then HUGE difference is how easy it is with Tesla. Just plug in.....that's it. No app, wondering if the stall works, or the delay in the start of charging like with EA.
Model Y storage it MUCH bigger than ID4. I love the Y and would get another for sure.
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I subscribed to your channel even though I'm allergic to cats. I've had an ID4 reservation for almost 9 months and my delivery just got pushed out, AGAIN. I test drove a Y today and just placed an order. Thanks for helping me with the decision. BTW, which car does your stupid cat prefer?
My cat definitely prefers the MY. But he also licks his own butt, so take that for what it’s worth. 😄
You should include more footage av the cars in this video.
It was no brainer to get MYLR at $53K. After fed tax credit, $46.5 In CA, more tax breaks to $38K? That was just insane deal
Great reviews. But it’s apples and oranges, plus not comparable in price. So if 20k is no big deal, then hop on over to Tesla if techie life is your priority. It is very nice that entertainment system. I saw it today. The fireplace mode is so cool. But $20k cool? The VW ID4 looks amazing! You have now reassured me that I can get an excellent driving car in the 40 thousand $ range vs the 60 thousand $ range. Rather huge difference.
Would love a comparison to the volvo or something more price comparable. But so much info here. THANK YOU!
The Big Original Car Manufacturers have to keep there looks , branding and styling whilst trying to incorporate a battery & drivetrain so a Merc don’t look like a BMW etc etc …
Tesla got a state of the art battery, drivetrain and interface and designed a car around it … if Apple, google, Amazon decide to venture into the car market then things will become even harder for the historic car manufacturers… let’s see … ps I own a M3P and love it
Unfortunately I think the MY is the better vehicle. However in Canada there is like a 20k price delta between a base MY and a fully loaded ID.4.
Based on that I'd go with the ID.4.
At the same price, the MY is definitely the better vehicle. I'd probably even go 5-7500 more and I'd still go with the MY. 20k.....NOPE!!!
Actually...that's about what it was less. Sticker was the same, but the federal tax and state tax credits made it 10k less. I don't feel like I'm compromising anything with the Model Y, but get extras I don't get with any of my previous ICE vehicles.
@@lankyscatchannel9032 I can confirm the pricing on the Y in Canada is 20K more and doesn't qualify for rebates. Also you don't need to rotate tires on an AWD.
@@petercorrin2414 The Y does qualify for California rebates. Not federal until 2023. I also ordered it when it was 54k.
Why do you say you don't need to rotate tires with an AWD? Everywhere I'm looking it's saying you do.
I agree Walter. In British Columbia, the full load ID4 AWD Pro S is 23,000 (CAD) less than a Model Y, and is eligible for up to 9,000 in rebates (5K Federal, up to 4K Provincial). For sure the Model Y is the superior car in terms of software/range and the charging network, but such a big price difference (up to 32 K) in Canada. (Great review. This is my new favourite Cat Channel!)
@@petercorrin2414 You stated that "you don't need to rotate tires on an AWD". That is not true. BTW, AWD is not the same as these Dual Motor EVs. Eventually, when your vehicles have worn tires, you will find that the usually the rear tires wear faster than the front tires, especially if you have an EV that uses 1 pedal driving (rarely have to use the brakes). But, definitely, there will be a difference in the wear of the front versus rear tires.
Getting rid of ID4. I had always been a fan of Germans, until I bought this shame of German car making. Germany has winter, but it is somehow not prepared for winter AT ALL:
1) we put winter tires from official dealership (Michelin tires mind you), and Anti-slip system started to engage whenever I am trying to accelerate. I WAS ALMOST HIT BY A TRUCK WHEN MERGING to a highway - the car DID NOT ACCELERATE!!!!! THIS IS INSANE!!! the dealership was trying to "dial in" some settings, they invited a VW rep - NO CHANGE. I ended up swapping my tires back to mid season.
2) and now, after the "dialing in" experiment the range at 100% battery load shows 210 miles. I brought it back to the dealership - they can do nothing about it.
3) no heat pump - goodbye range in the winter
4) charging is slow - max charging speed I saw when charging was 65 - 70 kW
5) finding a decent charger is a good luck experience - you have to drive off the highway and there is no guarantee there'll be an available stall that works... AWFUL. We are driving between Boston and NY often - a couple of times we merely made it back home even with a pit stop to recharge...
Result: I AM PICKING UP MY TESLA Y this Thursday. ID4 has been such a waste of money. We paid 36K+ for a certified used ID4 a year ago and now trading in for 20K (VW offers me 19K and tries to sell a newer ID 4 - guess my reaction). DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY, IT IS A PIECE OF JUNK!
And the best part: Model Y AWD long range is less expensive now... Sorry VW...
You'll love the Y. The things better on the ID4 aren't really worth it overall for the overall horrible experience. Ambient lighting and chair massage can only go so far.
I look forward to driving the MY every day! Really good experience. So far a great value, so I hope that continues for the life of the vehicle.
@@Freecpapadvice thank you so much for your feedback! This was our first EV, and a big mistake... I hope with Tesla Y we'll be able to drive between Boston and NY with much less issues. ID4 has been a very scary experience so far. Amen to that:)
Numerous sources report Tesla overstating its range until the battery charge depletes to somewhere below 50%. After that you experience a large reduction in estimated remaining range. Have you experienced this?
Massive price drop on the Model Y in January, combined with the return of the $7,500 tax credit in January now make the Model Y just about the same price, and lower in some cases, than an ID 4. Tesla also retuned the suspension in late 2022, and the new "comfort suspension" greatly improves the ride comfort. Given that the ID5 has less range and much poorer road trip charging, unless you hate something about the Model Y, it is no longer much of a contest about which is the better buy and better car.
What exterior color is your ID4? It looks quite nice.
Exterior is just the glacier white. The interior is lunar gray. Do have the gradient package.
Did they apply the tax rebate up front on the price or did you have to wait until tax time?
In 2023, tax credit (if you qualify) happens when you file your 2023 taxes. In 2024, it's supposed to be at the time of purchase.
@@dansanger5340 I think you mean when you file your 2023 taxes, in 2024. Basically starting in 2024, they will take it off at the point of purchase. Personally I am not sure how that will work. What if you do not have a tax burden of $7500? Will they come after you when you file your taxes and you will have to pay it back?
@@jiminauburn5073 Thank you! Yes, I meant 2023 taxes. I corrected the post. Regarding how it will work in 2024, I don't know either.
I own a Tesla but i love the look of the ID 4. I would consider it, if it had 1 pedal driving and a better interior.
1 pedal is great on Tesla. I actually really liked the ID4 interior other than the copious amounts of piano black finishes.
Performance, range, charging infrastructure, and especially the tech on the Tesla are all reasons I think they overall make a better product.
@@lankyscatchannel9032I cannot stand piano black finishes. I will walk away from considering a car if it has any piano black in it.
I enjoyed this. I live in Canada, and it turns out that the key discriminator for me is can you get one here. I can get a Model Y in a few weeks, vs months or years for the alternatives.
I owned Teslas, I just like the charging network, better range, and the storage space that's all. Tesla's ride quality, road noise, and build quality are not good... I like way better the id4 and they are like 10k+ cheaper. Insurance is more expensive on Teslas. I do feel the heat burning my head on Teslas here in Texas and was not a good feeling, AC wasn't cold enough sometimes.
They have improved the ride quality on the 2023 Model Y. Not sure how you figure that the ID.4 is $10K cheaper. You pretty much have to get the ID.4 AWD Pro S to equal the Model Y AWD standard range. You are still getting less range on the ID.4 at that point, with a higher 0-60 time, no rear seat heaters. And that is $53K for the ID.4 vs $48K for the Model Y.
If you are comparing the lowest ID.4, to the lowest Model Y, then the ID.4 is about $9K cheaper. But you give up the panoramic roof, the rear seat heaters, power adjustable seats, heated steering wheel, AWD, 70 miles in range, 2.8 seconds in 0-60 time.
Definitely if you could only afford around $35K for a car after tax and tax credit, then go for the ID.4. More people will be able to afford that, than the $46K for the cheapest Model Y. But to just get to the cheapest AWD version of ID.4, you are going to be looking at $45K after tax and tax credit.
Great breakdown. They screwed early adopters over with no software updates. I love my 2022 ID4 with 3.1. ID4 is a good value, but Tesla kills it on tech. I would have a Rivian if I had a lot of cash.. Alas, I am an ID4 Pro AWD peasant. When you can laugh at all the suckers paying for gas everyone wins though.
I get sick when we fill up the gas car. You having good luck with Electrify America?
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@@lankyscatchannel9032 you are correct Lanky, they both really suck
Nice discussion. I think you were pretty accurate on all points. The ID4 was really smooth on my test drives and the interior, while not luxurious, was quality and interesting. If you’ve seen one Tesla Model 3/Y interior, you’ve seen them all. How do you like the ID4’s acceleration compared to the Highlander or Lexus?
Zags are rumored to be looking at moving their basketball program to Big XII or PAC-12.
Seats are very comfortable. Luxurious....not at all, but certainly not base either. The acceleration is excellent compared to any gas powered vehicle I've owned. Had a BMW 3 series that was pretty quick, but was much lighter.
Improvements in cargo space, user interface, and range would make me consider buying another ID4.
Zags should have moved long ago. Only competition has been St. Marys. Now BYU and USF are starting to be tough. High school programs can beat Portland. Same with Pacific. Doesn't help that my Senior prom was held on the Pacific basketball court....make them feel like a high school program too!
I was following a MYP today in my ID4 AWD from a stop. As he smashed down his gas pedal I did the same, and he only pulled away from me for about length of a car when we hit 75mph from 0mph. So it's really not as much difference as it seems on paper. But for daily drive, it's a lot more comfortable. Highlander is definitely no game comparing to the AWD. Maybe it's more comparable to the acceleration of the RWD? IDK.
@@dearbulls ..not that it is important or anything, but the tesla could have been in either of the 3 acceleration modes - comfort, standard or sport with seconds difference between tham.
@@immodsr9348 I was only in comfort mode not in sport neither 🤭
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Personally i feell you left the most important thing, efficiency!
Isn't that addressed with range? The battery size is pretty much the same.
@@Freecpapadvice no not really, both can have same battery but efficency will vary.
The lack of a speedo is a game changer, having the speed on the laptop is dangerous in my opinion, and so is the lack of a dealer/service network especially as cars get older. Eventually, if Tesla gets away with having no dealer network all the other car manufacturers will follow, it's a no-brainer, then they take all the profit and can scrap the dealer network and replace it with a Ranger service, and a few service centres around the country .
If that happens when you have a problem they won't know who you are, you will have to schedule an appointment online and wait, and there will be no personal rapport or relationship with someone who you know locally like it is now with say Ford.
I worried about the speedo as well. My brother has a Model 3 for about two years now. He said it took less than a week to get used to it and now he does not even notice that he does not have a driver display.
You can get used to anything but it's not safe, the lack of knobs for climate control is also annoying and unsafe, and the build quality of the car is sh1t .
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What is the real world range for both vehicles? If charged to 80% because we all know it’s always less than stated. I’m torn between Model y, mach-e premium and iD4…… ugh
Don't feel comfortable enough with the MY to make a statement, but ID4 without AC is about 150-170. With AC is about 20 miles less. It states 200 miles at 80%
I can say the MY is significantly less though. A trip to a specific baseball complex 70 miles from my home round trip I was nervous as hell I wouldn't have enough to get back home with AC on. In the MY I was doing 80mph and arrived back home with 160 miles range to spare. That was charged to 90% though...but still clearly better in terms of range and efficiency. (note the accurate range estimate with stated range being 296 at 90% charge.)
ID4 is beautiful inside and out. I'd buy another one, but would wait several years for range, cargo, and user interface improvements. Neighbor has Mach E. I'm not impressed at all personally.
Model y has to be much better vehicle overall, but it's also more expensive,
I hear you lol I have a kid and a wife that packs like she is moving all the time lol
MSRP price comparison is irrelevant, as it doesn't include cost of financing. A better way is comparing monthly payments on a 3-year lease with $0 down. As here tesla is 30% more expansive.
Yeah the ID.4 is really an alternative vehicle. It has some good things about it for sure. Charging network is more important than people think and Tesla has the best period. Tesla has the best software and they constantly update it and provide now features for free. The range and performance is also better. The VW is a 🐌 in the EV world. I would never buy one. Enjoying the Model Y Performance and will be staying with Tesla for sure.
It would be great if you could share my why the VW free charging is a gimmick. If you have an electrify network charger near you, it seems it would a great selling point. Thanks for the video.
Mostly because charging at home for me is so inexpensive and convenient. I do have two EA chargers near me and I never use them.....other than for making a video or when I thought it was a great idea.
Essentially I was spending 30-40 minutes at a charging station to save $5. This was time I could have spent editing or creating videos for my other "real" channel, or doing my consultations. But I was just sitting there to save $5.....it was crazy.
For long road trips it's great, but that is about 1% of my driving.....if not less. So it comes with the purchase which is nice, but ultimately I think "they" know it's not going to cost them that much overall.
And don't get me started on availability and reliability of the EA network. It's pretty bad.
@@lankyscatchannel9032 Thanks for some clarification. So it seems that the free EA charging is just not right for you. Maybe calling it a gimmick is a bit harsh? Anyways, I recently got the ID.4 and appreciate your video with some solid insights. I'll be testing out the EA network soon. Take care.
I also have both, the tesla wins on every front, id4 is sold now, it drives fine etc but the software simply destroyed that car for me
"A wife who packs a lot of stuff on trips." Please tell me it isn't so.
Hi I got my ID.4 made in Tennessee last month and the issue you are facing with yours are not present on my model (new center console and version 3.1 OTA)😮. WV is getting better but it is not a software company and I agree with you on Volkswagen app is a joke! My neighbor has a MY and I would not buy it. Let said I have the less worst of the 2. I opted for the ID4 since it is an SUV and not a car.
A nice comparison I have to say! VW is a car company and Tesla is a tech company, thus given their strong/weak points. I do hope VW gets it together and finds some software engineers that can take their EVs to the next "Tesla" level.
Good point. It's not surprising that the ID4 is better with the traditional car stuff and the Model Y is better with the tech stuff.
I was wondering, now that Tesla has opened up their network does that change things for anyone?
They have not done that, at least not in the US. There were lots of articles in July and August about it happening by the end of this year, which in Elon language means, if you're lucky, they'll be open in 2025.
What they did recently do, is "offer" their plug as the standard for the country, ie all automakers can now opt to use the Tesla port instead of ccs on their cars. Zero have taken them up on it yet, but we'll see.
If you can't tell yet, I'm not a big fan of Tesla... But that said, if you're going to rely heavily on DC fast charging, you probably should get a Tesla. Otherwise, don't make any decisions based on theoretical access to the supercharger network. You might have another new car by the time that happens, if ever.
Doesn't make me happy. Long term I think it's for the good of EV adoption....which I actually don't care about. The TESLA connection (NAS?) is far superior to CCS and needs to be adopted worldwide.
Tesla always awesome
You forgot to add that starting price on Model Y is 66k and for the ID.4 it's 42.4k (for the bigger of the two battery options), so you are talking about a 23k difference between them.
The ID4 I have (had) was fully loaded, so more like 52k. The MY when ordered was 54k. Thought I mentioned that in the video....no?
And what options, range and performance do you get at the striping price? Exactly, it’s not like for like in terms of spec
Not anymore. As of Jan 13, Tesla prices dropped by a huge amount and now qualify for the $7500 credit.
This has now changed. Currently the ID4 the starting price is 44.000 and Tesla Model Y is 47.000 euro. Only 3.000 difference. And the ID4 has a 52kWh battery and the Model Y a 60kWh and its more efficient. Massive range difference. And the basic ID4 has little to no options. While the Model Y is loaded with options standard which u normally have to add on with Volkswagen. If u do that it would even become much more expensive than the Model Y. Regarding price the Model Y is better. But choosing which car u like is personal.
Base price as of today 02 Feb 2023 for the model Y Long range is $54,990 and in the US there is a $7,500 tax credit. This may change in the future. Imho, the software on the model Y is vastly superior and with EVs it’s all about the software.