I agree that the IONIQ 5 is better than the ID.4, but I'd be happy with either one. The video mentioned the IONIQ 5 comes with 2 years free DC fast charging, but the ID.4 comes with 3 years. And the I5's moveable console and glass roof are available only on the most expensive trim. A few other differences, albeit minor: ID.4 has USB-C ports rather than the I5's USB-A, ID.4 has a rear wiper but none on I5, ID.4 has a small turning diameter, ID.4 Pro S has adaptive headlights, ID.4's rear windows roll all the way down. But IONIQ 5's super fast DC charging would be valuable on a long road trip, and the I5 has a longer warranty.
I agree the IONIQ 5 is overall the better car, but this video definitely seemed a bit bias. Didn’t seem to really say anything the ID.4 does better than the Hyundai, even though there’s things it does do better, and even said the Hyundai is better at things the VW does better from my experience with the two cars.
I think the Ionic is slightly better, but it does cost more for being better, so yea, it makes sense a costlier car should be better. I bought my VW ID.4 almost a year ago, and will have 2 years left of free charging at the end of June. My car may not catch up to the Ionic, but the 3.0 software (right now only available in EU) does do some catching up, such as slightly better charging and range (very very slightly, but hey, it going in the right direction) and auto-lane changing, and Swarm (a cloud based road notification system) and other feature changes.
@@nothere572 well not really. They didn't even mention V2L features of Ioniq. They did mention usb-c and wireless apple carplay. I think you are the one who is biased.
One thing I immediately noticed on your video was the large difference in noise levels between the two cars. The ID.4 was much quieter at ordinary road speeds. Personally I've always loved VWs handling tuning. I've owned Golfs, GTIs and Touaregs over 50 years of driving. My top compliment is that a new VW drives like a VW. When the Ioniq 5 was shown I thought it was a brilliant design. The software looks good thought the contract seems too light in daylight conditions. I wish VW would get the OTA working here in the US. All the video show that the updates should fix issues we're having at this time. The Ioniq 5 does charge quicker but on trips with our ID.4 with 3 years of free charging we found that by the time we used the restroom and got refreshments it was charged as much as we needed or in some cases higher than we needed. On Kyle Conner's race to Las Vegas the Ioniq 5 has some charging issues that slowed it down.
And the fact they tested the ID.4 with the panoramic sunroof open which would've made the road noise louder compared to the Ioniq 5 which was closed, really does show how quiet the ID.4 is - and personally I have driven both and can confirm the ID.4 is quieter and has more head room for front and back passengers. I do like the style and finish of the Ioniq 5 though.
Big positive for the ID4 is that it has fixed any issue with the 12 volt battery. It charges the 12V whenever voltage is low. With Ioniq5, you should carry a jump start kit for that eventual time that battery dies.
The thing I noticed the most in your review was how much quieter the cabin of the ID.4 was while you were on the road. The Ioniq 5 was much noisier. Sounded like road/tire noise more than wind noise to me. Surprising that you didn't mention it. Any good road test includes a sound check.
That’s interesting because many say it’s actually the other way around. With the Ioniq being the much quieter ride. I personally would say the same from testing both cars in various editions
Good look at both cars, thanks for the review. One of the things not mentioned though is actual cost to purchase - in Seattle, you can order the ID.4 and find muliple dealers that sell it for MSRP. Not so for the Hyundai, the Seattle dealers want 5 - 10K above list. I think in a few years this goes away, but there's at least a 10K difference between the ID.4 AWD Pro and the Hyundai SE AWD where I live.
I really enjoyed this back-to-back comparison, fellas - particularly the engaging 'banter' between you both... Thanks. As for these 2 SUVs... I think the upshot of it all is that, unlike the 'safe' design iD.4, the Ionic 5 makes the driver feel special - the interior is uniquely different, deliberately comfort orientated and has lots of cleverly-thought-out touches, whilst the exterior attracts admiring glances from everyone, which surely is how someone shelling out in excess of $40k is going to want others to react. So, yes, Ionic 5 for the win... 👍
Hyundai never state the IONIQ 5 is an SUV. Take it off-road and see how far you get before damaging it. I suspect the ID.4 would do better. I own an IONIQ 5 and it will never be taken off-road.
@@ScubaSteveCanada SUV means to me more something as : ll roads (including sandy roads). But NOT all terrain. With somewhat 16 to 16 cm free under the bottom you'll have to be more carefiull where driving than with (for example) my previous Nissan Xtrail (2004) with 21 cm free bottom. Bit I've done driving on unpaved roads without any problem with the Ioniq 5 (project 45 all opts). But I would say the ioniq 5 is a crossover, not a SUV when asked. For the maker of this video....Nothing mentioned about pulling a trailer behind those 2 cars. At least in My country the ioniq 5 AWD is allowed pull a lot more (1600kg) than the ID 4. (750kg)
Are the IONIQ 5 hard buttons back lit? Does the iD4 glove box lock? Does the iD4 charge at least 60% as fast as the IONIQ 5? Do either offer battery preconditioning? Do either offer heated seats in the rear? Do either offer a rear wiper? Do either offer a perfectly matched range of motion for the passenger seat? Do either offer plug -n- charge today?
Steering wheel, dash, and door buttons are illuminated on both Ioniq 5 and ID.4. Neither has a lockable glove box. Neither currently offers en-route battery preconditioning. There are (unofficial) statements from Hyundai suggesting they intend to add this kind of preconditioning, but they will first need to develop a charging route planner for the navigation system. The ID.4 has a charging route planner, but they've been tight lipped about update plans. So the jury's out on which (if either) will receive preconditioning first. Neither offers heated seats in the rear. The ID.4 offers a rear wiper, a rearview camera washer, and a front windshield heater that works like a rear defroster but without the visible wires. The Ioniq 5 has none of these. The ID.4 passenger seat offers identical range of motion for the passenger and driver seat. The Ioniq 5 has 8-way seats for both sides, but only the driver has the recliner leg support, so I can't say for sure if they're identical. The Ioniq 5's seats can be ventilated, though. ID.4 offers plug & charge today (latest software version). The Ioniq 5 does not.
I had a 2g Volt. Despite being essentially an economy car, it was a sleeper. With 294 lb/ft of torque (you'll notice thats almost as much as the Hyundai despite weighing 600# less) @ 0 RPM, I regularly toasted V-8 Mustangs and Camaros at traffic lights, at least up to the speed limit. By about 40mph they were going faster than me; but they were doing it from 3 car lengths behind me. Biggest problem was front wheel drive, so had to toe it just right to avoid spinning the tires.
A WORD OF ADVICE : the next time you're comparing jumping from car to car, you should put some kind of title indicating which car you're actually in. I didn't know sometimes whether you were in the ionic or the ID4
I mean its not that hard to understand...there is a Volkswagen logo on the Id4 and it doesn't have 2 12.3 in screens across the dashboard unlike the Ioniq 5...I think instead of asking him to make a title you should just pay attention to the video and the cars lol
Not mentioned for those who want to use their vehicles for sports/adventure: - ID4 has a higher towing rating, 2700lbs vs 2000lbs. That's a +33% difference, and allows for some decent trailers to be pulled. - ID4 comes stock with roof rack bars, so adding x bars and a bike rack, ski/canoe carrier, etc. is super easy. Hyundai doesn't. - from your video, the ID4 seems WAY quieter, as many have pointed out here. Curious to get a reply from the creators, no one ever seems to mention roof racks or towing capabilities.
Great overview, you really covered a lot of key features and differences between the two vehicles. While the peak charging rates are important, with so few high powered chargers currently available, real world charging times at most stations will not be substantially different until higher powered stations are more common
@@EzDeanFassassi Absolutely.. charging curve is more important.. as long as there peak rate is also decent.. if it can hold 100kw for a long time.. you will do well . If it's 50kw for a long time.. then you will be there a long time.
I had a test drive with both cars for 2 days each. My final choice was ID.4. And I have done quite detailed comparison with all possible metrics. So here is my summary including some important elements not reflected: Design (both exterior and interior) of I5 is definitely the better one!!! The same goes with the infotainment system. The reasons I choose ID.4: Reason 1: Much smaller Turning Circles: This might be a problem if you have a tight road to your garage.. like in my case - I had to do 10+ manures to get the I5 in my Garage...with ID.4: it was just 2. Reason 2 : I have a Villa in the mountains and there is a black road for about 2km to reach it. The I5 is not an SUV as its ground clearance is like a normal car, while ID.4 is real SUV with much bigger Ground Clearance. Regards, from Europe.
Well that’s your opinion and choice, but your comparison is lame. The Ioniq5 is a way better vehicle overall. 1. Better looking 2. More spacious 3. Head turner 4. Compliments all the time 5. Technology is better 6. More bang 💥 for the buck 💴
I hope this comparison is revisited after the software updates. A lot of the ID.4s grips are fixed with the latest 3.0 and 3.1 updates. My problem with the Ioniq 5 are all the little things. There is no heated windshield, no rear wiper, no wireless Android Auto, no kick to open the rear door. The shade for the roof can't be half closed and it's too low to the ground. All of the advantages that the Ioniq 5 has are great if your road tripping. For your day to day the iD.4 is a better choice in my opinion.
It's subjective and you really can't go wrong with either. I prefer the looks of the Ioniq 5 and that was the deciding factor for me. The faster charging with essentially free charging at EA for two years was just a bonus as most charging is done at night at home.
Indeed the new charging curve with 3.1 appears to be a huge improvement, reducing charging time significantly. In the end, the ioniq 5 charging time difference will perhaps be only a 10 minute advantage in cold weather when Hyundai activate the battery preconditioning, however I am really concerned Hyundai will not enable it on current year models. That’s why I have a reservation for the id4 awd.
id4 have all the bugs id 3 had..software update or not its a buggy car..in denmark where i am from vw called around 2000 cars back because of some bugs ..so id 4 is way behind ioniq 5 ..wireles sapple and android is not there because the car have a full gps software in and there is some isuses with tomtom who deliver the soft..i have the same problem in my tucson hybrid..something to do with tomtom ... my friend have 3 months old i4 and there where already some issues with the battery and he got it a new one..lucky him for free...stay away from i3 and id 4.. :)
@@dj.mb_one Except that now VW is pushing out their 2.4 software updates with an upgrade to the 12v battery. 2.4 fixes many of the software issues the I.D. series has now.
@@Demobot1 except the id 3 updates should fix alot of the problems and they just transfered them to id 4 😂 Id 4 is so far behind ioniq it's unbelievable. Every test around the RUclips proffers that. Ioniq5 was named in 22 countries around the world as the best ev. VW was not even in top 3.. BTW now soft mware update will ever fix the bad design s VW choosed inside the car. 😂😂😂😂 I'd 4 was put of date when it hit the factory 😂😂😂 bad car and they should copy cars like hyundai, kia or Toyota..
Having owned both an ioniq 5 and an id4 as well as four addition BEVs, I have to disagree with you on several fronts. I agree that I'd like true one pedal and hate that the sliders are not back lit but in daylight they are actually very easy and convenient to use. They can be slide or touch. Plus how can you claim the I5 is better equipped? I'd say differently equipped. The id4 has a rear wiper, rear camera cleaner, electric defrost windshield, bending headlights, wireless carplay and aa(which to your credit you mentioned) massage seats, trailer hitch with 7 Pin! connection, higher tow rating a lot more ground clearance(don't use manufacturers supplied info here..for some reason the id4 is listed at much lower ground clearance than reality). With a tape measure the id4 has 8.5 to 9 inches and the I5 has less than 7. The only thing I can see is vw is giving ground clearance measuent to little mudflap type things right behind the wheels...Oh and regarding that lack of hitch....you should hear the run around I got from Hyundai about voiding my warranty with a hitch...from TWO different dealers....and this was with THEM installing it. I finally had a dealer contact corporate to see if it was ok and they have a very vaguely worded ok(leaving room to screw me) and it cost me 1200$ parts and labour. Why is it that literally no RUclipsrs tell the whole story?Sorry, it gets really frustrating. Both cars have pros and cons but I prefer the id4 by a small margin and this is after OWNING both.
Big negative for the id4 is that once you get below 80% charging state. The power is noticeable decreased. This effect is also present on the GTX version of the car. It seems like the ID4 may be manufactured at its limit for the battery. That’s a behavior not seen with the Ioniq 5 or others.
But I’ll still get the same range right?…… Hang on a minute… VW is cheating again! If I buy this and I only can enjoy full housepower in the first 20%…. That’s not fair….
I had an ID.4 AWD on order since last Sept. (2021). In the end, continued production delays led to my cancelling the order and purchasing a Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD. After owning the EV6 for three months now, I am extremely happy that I lucked into finding one in my local area and nixing the ID.4. Nothing against it per se (with the exception of the infotainment/climate controls), but IMO, the EV6 is above and beyond the ID.4.
I don't want to defend VWs weird system, but I disagree with the Hyundai being easier to use for things like heated seats. In their system it is also in a submenu. Both systems have so many, partly unlogically arranged menus and sub menus with a ton of settings. Also I prefer VWs travel assist to HDA2. In my experience it worked more reliably and felt safer. Before saying I'm biased: I own neither, but tested drove both
Sorry mate, but yours opservation is based on a short test drive. There’s a option inside in a sistem to automatically engage seats heated or cooled whenever you start your air conditioned. Depending you wanna colder or warmer inside temperature, you will get cooling or heating automatically. I own id3 and Ioniq5
The ID4 looks out of date already! The Ionic5 looks fresh, modern and very attractive. Legacy auto should be worried. However with a price tag of nearly $100,000 in Australia for the Hyundai, I don't see many finding a home. What we need are smaller cheaper evs.
Agree to disagree. You either like the way Ioniq looks or don’t. I don’t like it, period. My neighbor has one, and there’s way too much plastic. It feels cheaply made. Now the Ford F-150 Lightning, that is going to kick everyone’s Arse!
One of the biggest drawbacks of EV today. Why would a family spend more what they earn to lessen their carbon footprint. When ICE cars are getting more efficient?
I was wondering about the comment about USB-A ports instead of C.. Every charging cable I have and see on sale at any gas station are USB-A to whatever is needed on the other side. FAR more cable choices with that than USB-C to USB-C or Lightning. The lack of wireless car play has been an issue with Korean brands for while, the smaller more basic stereos have it and the bigger higher trim cars DONT.. really weird. Turning circle is amazing on the ID-4.. honestly the best bang for your buck is the BASE Pro ID-4 No glass roof, smaller wheels, better ride, cheaper tires. Better ground clearance. But the Ioniq 5 really does well in the range power and charging area.
I have the ID.4 Pro S with AWD. It's the car for me. I love it. Can't find any Ionics around and the dealers have added to the price, so 60 K is the minimum you will pay for that vehicle. now. Worth it? IDK but am totally happy with the VW ID.4. Thanks for your review.
How do you find the infotainment system? We have put a deposit on the 2023 AWD Pro S but I'm getting nervous because people seem to absolutely hate the system. Thanks!
@@thereselynch3471 There is a leaning curve . just. have to be patient as with all complex systems. Go to a dealer that has one and try it out. There are plenty of you tube videos on the subject and you can ask me any questions here.
Both of these cars will sell really well. Here’s one thing I simply cant comprehend as a client in 2022: It has been shown by Tesla and a few other manufacturers that it is possible to have a functional and large frunk as well as an elegantly hidden charge port for the last 10 years! Yes! An entire decade! I can’t believe that these two offerings still cannot replicate this. Shocking!
It sounds like you guys were comparing to different trims. Also, conveniently omitted a reasonable amount of details. I feel like this review of yours was decided before it started. Other channels did a much better, and more balanced job reviewing these two cars. You guys sounded like Hyundai was paying for this comparison. I am not satisfied.
Nice comparison, the main issue I am switching is not only the size but the charging (I ccurent have a 2020 Soul EV Limited (64KWH - in Canada), I am thinking that if there are EV charger ques, even waiting for a EV Charger slot will not slow you down as much then a slower charging EV, win win Hyundia!
Exactly why many of these comparisons are unfortunately pointless. On paper, these two vehicles are in the same class budget wise, but in reality they aren't.
How often can you find the charging infrastructure to support to take advantage of the charge speed on the Ioniq 5? I ask because I’ve seen a few videos where it’s been mentioned in other reviews of the car. Personally I prefer the ID4 styling tho I think they are both awesome cars. I also noticed how much quieter the ID4 interior was.
Thx for the comparison, very informative. Going forward people would much rather seeing the cars side by side, instead of 2 dudes side by side. Looking forward to your next comparison video
I disliked the Ioniq 5 SEL from the moment I test drove it. It looked ugly and boxy, the drive wasn’t much to speak of and in general wasn’t feeling the love. ID4 feels mature at so many levels in comparison. It’s intuitive and minimalistic. It rode better, the driving position, feel and overall comfort was far better as compared to the Ioniq 5.
@@user-3tf67bk46u I have found it funny how these days every one is excited having a 500$ iPad stuck on their dash (give them two and they go bonkers). Throw in some accent stitching, cushions and you’ve sold a $50K car. Who cares to talk about how it drives, how it will hold value over 8 years of ownership, if it’s battery is gonna hold charge with high speed charging over time …. No! Who cares when you have a car that looks right out of 1984 - back to the past in the future
They’re both great cars, the design of the Ioniq 5 is a real eye catcher. But I do not understand at all why people say the Ioniq 5 interior feels more premium than the VW. Sure the ID.4 isn’t on par to other and older VWs, but the interior is 100% higher quality than the Ioniq the interior quality is one of the biggest downsides of the Ioniq, it feels too cheap for what you are paying. I also don’t understand the Hyundai winning the comfort area, it’s a comfortable car don’t get me wrong, but once again the VW is remarkably comfortable, and has more room in some aspects. The Ioniq 5 deserved all of the other catagories but it definitely didn’t deserve all the ones it got
I just saw the New side impact crash test videos. Most Suv are failing it! Kia telluride and Hyundai palasade especially. VW ID 4 was only EV included in the test but it was one of few suv that passed the test! Note side impact is leading type of fatal crashes. Choose wisely
I really love the Ioniq 5 exterior design except for the silver 1980s lower part. They need to offer a mid/dark grey detail in addition to this. And the tonneau cover is ridiculous it's so low. It doesn't line up with the top of the rear seats... ugh that drives me crazy. And no rear wiper was a real mistake. Too many functions in the screen, ie no buttons. They also should offer some more vivid colours. Like the EV6 Yacht blue. In fact, if I had to decide between the Kia and Hyundai, I'd probably go for the Kia as it's sorted out it's trunk cover. The rear window is flatter so wind will clear the view during rain, they added buttons for the functions you use all of the time. But I can't figure out why Kia didn't go for a pano roof. Re: the VW, I think this design might have more longevity in the end. And the trunk space and cover seem much larger. Apparently, VW has several software upgrades already finished so many of their interface issues are being resolved. Not sure why VW decided to put 2 screens instead of 1 sweeping one. And it is 4 or 5k cheaper up here in Canada. If you buy an ID4 go for the AWD for sure. 300hp makes it a much better vehicle. Such a tough decision. In my opinion all of these are a much better choice over the Model 3 or Y which are a good 15-27k more.
The lack of rear wiper on the ioniq 5 wasn’t even discussed. In snowy regions with salt, it’s a significant omission. Also, the ota software update capability is hugely important and as far as I know, Hyundai have not confirmed that all modules are upgradeable.
We have had an Ioniq 5 AWD since February. I was concerned about the lack of the rear wiper. So far it hasn't been a big problem and we do live in Colorado. Today I was driving home in the snow and noticed the obscured rear window but I was driving our Tacoma pickup and realized we'd been living without a rear wiper for almost 20 years.
@@ProfessorHamer Yes I would prefer to have the rear wiper. However there are millions of vehicles on the road with zero visibility through the rear window because they are towing a trailer etc.
@@COSolar6419 True but myself and probably millions of others didn't drive with an obscured rear window. And to not have that is disconcerting. Not to mention how much could it cost Hyundai to add a wiper.
The two extra inches of ground clearance that the ID4 has is a big deal to me. I drive small country roads that require you to put a wheel in the ditch to pass. A Mach E would be a really bad idea, the Hyundai would be fine.
Yes, it is the only real SUV of all the EVs who call themselves "SUVs". It's a shame how low model Y, mach e, ioniq 5 sits. They are just big hatch back.
Good luck looking in your rearview mirror in bad weather on the Ioniq, no rear wiper is a nono in rainy and winter driving ..can even be considered dangerous...or stop every 10 miles to clean the back window. Major mistake in my book.
The times I pull up to a charging station full of German cars (except Porsches since the have 900kw batteries) I leave, they take too long to charge. My Ioniq is 12-18 minutes to charge.
0 Hyundai/Kia Dealers in Ohio willing to sell at MSRP. They all seem to be overpriced by a similar amount (about as much as the tax credit). Our VW dealership promised MSRP. When the offer from Hyundai for an Ioniq 5 came in at $59k for a "close match" but not exactly what we wanted, we locked in our fully loaded AWD Id.4 for under $52K. Thank your dealerships and bizarre "preferencing" scheme for that one Hyundai.
The ID.4 qualifies for the $7500 tax credit, the Hyundai does not. VW also is discounting the ID.4. No crazy Kia/Hyundai dealer markups either. The ID.4 is a pretty decent EV value.
There is one thing I find super puzzling with all these car reviews and comparisons. Why are you guys not talking about the most important feature: To what extend do they keep lane, stay at distance to the car infront or stay at a certain speed? I think 99% of us use our car for commuting and the most important feature is how well does it drive by itself. Does it do less than that or does it do more than that, awesome. Tell us. But at least these fundamentals. I have zero clue if any car does em except Teslas.
The IONIQ 5 does excellent for Lane Keep Assist and Smart Cruise Control. Tesla appear to be the clear leader and wasn't even aware the ID.4 does LKA until this video. Keep in mind the IONIQ 5 I have uses HDA2 (Highway Drive Assist 2). Stop and go commutes are very good. My previous Kona EV used HDA1 which was good but HDA2 is much better.
@@electroplank587 Self driving is quite different from LKA and smart cruise. If I were to purchase a Tesla anytime soon, I'd save the $10K for the self driving feature.
STILL TOO EXPENSIVE1. I own a 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe ICE with every possible electronics goodie and luxury appointment. It has every single enhancement these electric vehicles have, so we know it has just as many chips and electronic feedback loops as any electric vehicle. Yet it cost me $39,000 fully loaded with all the safety features, Ventilated Seats, Active Cruise Control, and 360 degree Surround-View, as well as a 282 hp/ 313 lbs ft of Torque powerplant. And with its turbo engine, 8 speed dual clutch transmission, catalytic converter, EPA measuring devices, complex cooling systems, et. al. it is most definitely more complicated to manufacture than these small electric vehicles. Yet, it still cost me $39,000 total. Am I making my point that there is NO EXCUSE for the price tags they are placing on these. I will move to an electric vehicle when its simpler construction enables prices LESS than what I've paid before.
I'm really surprised about the final verdict in this one. Or, actually that you were able to pick a clear winner at all. Personally, I don't like the interior of the IONIC 5. Although the ID.4 is not perfect, at least, it doesn't sound like an amusement park. (In Europe, you can also get other seats in the ID.4 called Top Sport.. With the Hyundai you're stuck with the "living room" seats.) For practicality, the IONIQ 5 lacks rails for roof rack, although it _can_ carry one, it doesn't have a load through system and you don't have a flexible partition net. The latter is a major safety concern! Owners also complain about the missing rear window wiper, and the IONIC 5 it doesn't have nearly as good lights as the ID.4. Again, the difference might be bigger in Europe, but even without the "matrix" lights, I believe the ID.4 is better in this department. When it comes to range, the ID.4 did better than the IONIC 5 in both summer- and winter test performed by the Norwegian Automobile Association (low speed mountain run, 100-0%, driven together). The ID.4 GTX also beat the IONIQ 5 in Teslabjørns "70 mph" summer range test with some margin. I recommend that you refer to WLTP or do your own real life head to head tests, in future comparisons. Further, the charging performance and thermal control is improved in the later ID.4 software versions. I can understand that you can't take that into the equation in the US at this point, and the peak power is still nowhere near the IONIQ 5. However, the thermal control, or lack thereof, is just terrible in the IONIC 5. That's a potential, major drawback in real life. I also feel that the overall drive feel, suspension and level of road noise in the ID.4 is great. I'm surprised that you think the IONIQ 5 beats it. I believe you can actually hear/sense the difference in the video 13:55 .. When it comes to the rear seats, it's great that they're movable and recline in the IONICQ 5. To me, they seem a bit low and flat, and I imagine that 3-4 adults would be more comfortable in the ID.4. If they sit upright. I might be wrong. 🙂
I just stopped by both dealers. The IONIQ was in stock surprisingly, but came with a 10k markup. No thanks. The 2023 ID.4 is potentially eligible for a $7500 tax credit (depending on what congress decides), since it is built in Chananooga TN. Not so for the IONIQ. So currenlty you are lookign at 59k for a IONIQ SEL, whereas an ID.4 ProS RWD would come in at ~48k, less the 7.5k credit (if you are eligible), potentially an 18k difference. YIKES! The Hyundai fet like a nice sedan, had a lot of space, but felt like some wasted space in the front. Huge trunk. The ID.4 also had decent space, but maybe not quite as big. The IONIQ did fell very "modern", but honeslty maybe a bit over the top video-gamish (for me); The ID.4 felt more like a mid SUV. I did not like the screen colors on the ID.4, that may be modifiable. Didnt really care for the drive/reverse selctor on the ID.4. The ID.4 infotainment sytem seemed clunky-unintuitive.
When testing out the Ioniq5 and EV6, I kind of just feel like if I was driving the ID.4 with maybe a little bit more of a content than the ID.4. It is nice the fact that it does charge faster, and have ventilated seats. But you can't get massaging seats on the Korean Twins and that's one reason I like about the VW. I don't feel that it's differentiated enough for me to say got to have the Korean Twins where the VW do just as good. Not to mention VW came out first than the Korean twins so obviously that the Korean twins have to make just a little bit better. I do differ on the materials of the ID.4 just because I test out the Ioniq5 SE where it's just full on plastics inside whereas the ID.4 isn't.
Also not to mention crazy dealer markups that Hyundai and Kia is doing at their dealer practice. I do get their products do look great, but it really doesn't feel that much of a hype.
I keep seeing article’s stating that Ioniq 5 sales are down. Not sure how, two dealers told me they are sold out this year and there is a wait of up to a year for a 2023. Noting they are also directing my to the overpriced used car lot, trying to convince me to buy used. So if sales are down, its because of your greedy dealers Hyundai.
I do have an ID4 and I am happy with it. It seems that you are being paid by Hunday… You are not making a fair comparison because you are comparing an older version of the ID4 with a new IONIC5. The new version of the ID4 has much better technology (OTA up dates, Travel Assist with swarm data, loading curve maintaining high voltage to almost 60% charge, Headup display. And you do not have to use the buttons you can activate everything (temperature, volume, navigation….) over voice control without leaving your hands from the steering wheel and you can also ask to tell you a joke. Is your Hunday capable of that???
I really wish people would move away from range and charging speed as such a “big” part of these. Tom and Kyle speak to it often on the pod and that it doesn’t effect most drivers. I’ve had a Kona for almost 3 years and have yet to need to go to a DC Fast charger. Same goes for the range piece, for most people it rarely matters. The Ionic does look sharp and Hyundai does give you a lot of bells and whistles. However, the Hyundai ownership experience is the worst I have ever dealt with. Good luck if you ever need to get anything fixed.
The most biased review I've ever seen. Come on, Hyundai had to pay you for this crap. That thing looks like a 60's space ship. Many would say, and have said, one of the great things about the ID4 is the fact it looks like a normal crossover, and doesn't look like the set designer from Flash Gordon had a hand in designing it. You talk about confusing controls in the ID4 but didn't even mention that awful dual ac control radio function thing the Ioniq has. You talk about how great the moon roof is in the Ioniq but don't even mention it in the ID4. You talk about how the Ioniq cones with 2 years of free charging but don't mention the 3 years the ID4 cones with. This is just a few examples of how biased this review was.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has been chosen as the best design of the year, the best car of the year and the best EV of the year... there are plenty more comments, your honor...🤤🤷♂️😱
The Ionic5 won the world’s best EV Award And the Kia EV6 won Europe’s best EV Award. For all the ID4 owners after spending all that money it’s good to try and defend your car and you can argue all you want but it’s obvious who the loser is. The VW Name is not gonna be able to compete with Hyundai/Genesis in the EV world. The Kia Niro EV Is more popular than the VW ID4, just don’t take my word for it research it. That’s how I ended up buying a Hyundai for the first time.
At first I liked the Ioniq design until I had seen how really big they are. It would benefit from a smaller footprint. Still making it named SUV is something I struggle with. The ID4 ain't bad and is more SUV styled. The Enyaq is Better interior. But you don't get those. When you travel a lot the Ioniq is a winner. For average John Doe, it's not much of a deal breaker where you just charge at home. On the ID interface. 3.0/.1 is going to do what is supposed to do from start. And the slider works better when you put your hand under the pinnacle and use your thumb. Still anoying to have no light there. Airco had voice control too though. And radio has steering button and voice control 😉
IONIQ 5 all the way. VW giving yesterday’s technology for today’s money besides looks flattened bread. It’s not attractive in anyway. VW desperately trying to people forget about ‘diesel gate’ corruption.
Good review. A few points. I have the SE AWD and I get greater than 256 in range (more like 303). With I-Pedal, I've been using it a lot and it does come to a full stop without having to brake (if you're at level 3 or lower it does not). As far performance, handling and speed/acceleration are different aspects of performance. The VW may have more feel, but in 0 to 60, acceleration, and top end the VW handily loses to thr I5 (I would have called the performance a tie in that respect). Overall, good review 👍
Yes but the difference between 0 to 60 is like one second and top end speed might matter if your at a drag strip, but those are meaningless marketing numbers in the real world
Even when not using i-pedal the ioniq 5 will come to a full stop if you pull the left paddle until the car has halted fully. (and this without switching to i-pedal). The same is the konaE64 doea with those pedals. The ioniq original (2017) does not come to a full stop. (I've driven them all) When driving i - pedal the ioniq 5 uses a little more energy because the front motor is always engaged...needed for max regeneration braking. I drive mostly with use of ascc and when necessary the paddles on the steering wheel. With my 72,3 KWH battery I reach 440 km on full charge in summer. WITH airco on. Max acceleration is only usefull when I need to pass another car on a country road. Passing in 3 seconds instead of maybe 6 or 7 seconds. Max speed is irrelevant due to the allowed maximum speed in my country. Important however is the maximum trailer weight (1600 kg ioniq 5 but only 750 kg for the ID 4). (A glider weights , in trailer, up to 1500 kg for a two seater, 900 kg for a one person glider...including trailer weight. Both are to heavy for the id4 )
I agree that the IONIQ 5 is better than the ID.4, but I'd be happy with either one. The video mentioned the IONIQ 5 comes with 2 years free DC fast charging, but the ID.4 comes with 3 years. And the I5's moveable console and glass roof are available only on the most expensive trim. A few other differences, albeit minor: ID.4 has USB-C ports rather than the I5's USB-A, ID.4 has a rear wiper but none on I5, ID.4 has a small turning diameter, ID.4 Pro S has adaptive headlights, ID.4's rear windows roll all the way down. But IONIQ 5's super fast DC charging would be valuable on a long road trip, and the I5 has a longer warranty.
I agree the IONIQ 5 is overall the better car, but this video definitely seemed a bit bias. Didn’t seem to really say anything the ID.4 does better than the Hyundai, even though there’s things it does do better, and even said the Hyundai is better at things the VW does better from my experience with the two cars.
I think the Ionic is slightly better, but it does cost more for being better, so yea, it makes sense a costlier car should be better. I bought my VW ID.4 almost a year ago, and will have 2 years left of free charging at the end of June. My car may not catch up to the Ionic, but the 3.0 software (right now only available in EU) does do some catching up, such as slightly better charging and range (very very slightly, but hey, it going in the right direction) and auto-lane changing, and Swarm (a cloud based road notification system) and other feature changes.
While I do not care for the piano black in the ID.4, I thought the build quality to be much better than the Ionic 5.
While the DC fast charging may be better on the Ioniq 5, the AC charging (which apparently people use 99% of the time) is the same on both-11 kW.
@@nothere572 well not really. They didn't even mention V2L features of Ioniq. They did mention usb-c and wireless apple carplay. I think you are the one who is biased.
One thing I immediately noticed on your video was the large difference in noise levels between the two cars. The ID.4 was much quieter at ordinary road speeds. Personally I've always loved VWs handling tuning. I've owned Golfs, GTIs and Touaregs over 50 years of driving. My top compliment is that a new VW drives like a VW.
When the Ioniq 5 was shown I thought it was a brilliant design. The software looks good thought the contract seems too light in daylight conditions. I wish VW would get the OTA working here in the US. All the video show that the updates should fix issues we're having at this time.
The Ioniq 5 does charge quicker but on trips with our ID.4 with 3 years of free charging we found that by the time we used the restroom and got refreshments it was charged as much as we needed or in some cases higher than we needed. On Kyle Conner's race to Las Vegas the Ioniq 5 has some charging issues that slowed it down.
VW will hopefully get OTA working here soon, the Hyundai doesn’t even have it outside of updating infotainment system features
And the fact they tested the ID.4 with the panoramic sunroof open which would've made the road noise louder compared to the Ioniq 5 which was closed, really does show how quiet the ID.4 is - and personally I have driven both and can confirm the ID.4 is quieter and has more head room for front and back passengers. I do like the style and finish of the Ioniq 5 though.
Being quiet is very important to me. It's part of the reason I want electric. I wish all reviewers would use a decibel meter to give hard numbers.
Ioniq is silent. Whatever sound is negligible. It's insane anyone would complain about ev's having cabin noise issues.
Big positive for the ID4 is that it has fixed any issue with the 12 volt battery. It charges the 12V whenever voltage is low. With Ioniq5, you should carry a jump start kit for that eventual time that battery dies.
Or use the utility feature that runs everything off the main battery and not the 12V
@@junteavioushi good tip, I am picking mine up soon, how do I do that?
@DaDdy79462 it will be under the EV section or you can use the search 🔍
Eh it's a problem bc of third party devices owners install that use bluelink connection. Just be aware of what you have installed...
The thing I noticed the most in your review was how much quieter the cabin of the ID.4 was while you were on the road. The Ioniq 5 was much noisier. Sounded like road/tire noise more than wind noise to me. Surprising that you didn't mention it. Any good road test includes a sound check.
That’s interesting because many say it’s actually the other way around. With the Ioniq being the much quieter ride. I personally would say the same from testing both cars in various editions
It could be because of changing microphones. They could be recording on an iPhone in the ID.4 vs with an Android in Ioniq.
Good look at both cars, thanks for the review. One of the things not mentioned though is actual cost to purchase - in Seattle, you can order the ID.4 and find muliple dealers that sell it for MSRP. Not so for the Hyundai, the Seattle dealers want 5 - 10K above list. I think in a few years this goes away, but there's at least a 10K difference between the ID.4 AWD Pro and the Hyundai SE AWD where I live.
Exactly. This is why I stopped considering the Hyundai/Kia.
Also changes in the tax credit to consider. The Hyundai and Key are no longer eligible. The id.4 is likely at least partially eligible.
Yes. Go for the 4 !
I really enjoyed this back-to-back comparison, fellas - particularly the engaging 'banter' between you both... Thanks.
As for these 2 SUVs... I think the upshot of it all is that, unlike the 'safe' design iD.4, the Ionic 5 makes the driver feel special - the interior is uniquely different, deliberately comfort orientated and has lots of cleverly-thought-out touches, whilst the exterior attracts admiring glances from everyone, which surely is how someone shelling out in excess of $40k is going to want others to react.
So, yes, Ionic 5 for the win... 👍
Thanks for watching!
Hyundai never state the IONIQ 5 is an SUV. Take it off-road and see how far you get before damaging it. I suspect the ID.4 would do better. I own an IONIQ 5 and it will never be taken off-road.
@@ScubaSteveCanada SUV means to me more something as : ll roads (including sandy roads). But NOT all terrain.
With somewhat 16 to 16 cm free under the bottom you'll have to be more carefiull where driving than with (for example) my previous Nissan Xtrail (2004) with 21 cm free bottom. Bit I've done driving on unpaved roads without any problem with the Ioniq 5 (project 45 all opts).
But I would say the ioniq 5 is a crossover, not a SUV when asked.
For the maker of this video....Nothing mentioned about pulling a trailer behind those 2 cars.
At least in My country the ioniq 5 AWD is allowed pull a lot more (1600kg) than the ID 4. (750kg)
Are the IONIQ 5 hard buttons back lit? Does the iD4 glove box lock? Does the iD4 charge at least 60% as fast as the IONIQ 5? Do either offer battery preconditioning? Do either offer heated seats in the rear? Do either offer a rear wiper? Do either offer a perfectly matched range of motion for the passenger seat? Do either offer plug -n- charge today?
I don’t know much about the ID4. With the Ioniq, it depends on the trim.
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Steering wheel, dash, and door buttons are illuminated on both Ioniq 5 and ID.4.
Neither has a lockable glove box.
Neither currently offers en-route battery preconditioning. There are (unofficial) statements from Hyundai suggesting they intend to add this kind of preconditioning, but they will first need to develop a charging route planner for the navigation system. The ID.4 has a charging route planner, but they've been tight lipped about update plans. So the jury's out on which (if either) will receive preconditioning first.
Neither offers heated seats in the rear.
The ID.4 offers a rear wiper, a rearview camera washer, and a front windshield heater that works like a rear defroster but without the visible wires. The Ioniq 5 has none of these.
The ID.4 passenger seat offers identical range of motion for the passenger and driver seat. The Ioniq 5 has 8-way seats for both sides, but only the driver has the recliner leg support, so I can't say for sure if they're identical. The Ioniq 5's seats can be ventilated, though.
ID.4 offers plug & charge today (latest software version). The Ioniq 5 does not.
@@robotheseus actually the Limited trim Ioniq does have heated rear seats and plug and charge.
I was wrong. The Ioniq 5 Limited does have the 12V charge; but not heated rear seats. It has heated and ventilated front seats. Sorry about that.
I had a 2g Volt. Despite being essentially an economy car, it was a sleeper. With 294 lb/ft of torque (you'll notice thats almost as much as the Hyundai despite weighing 600# less) @ 0 RPM, I regularly toasted V-8 Mustangs and Camaros at traffic lights, at least up to the speed limit. By about 40mph they were going faster than me; but they were doing it from 3 car lengths behind me. Biggest problem was front wheel drive, so had to toe it just right to avoid spinning the tires.
A WORD OF ADVICE : the next time you're comparing jumping from car to car, you should put some kind of title indicating which car you're actually in. I didn't know sometimes whether you were in the ionic or the ID4
I mean its not that hard to understand...there is a Volkswagen logo on the Id4 and it doesn't have 2 12.3 in screens across the dashboard unlike the Ioniq 5...I think instead of asking him to make a title you should just pay attention to the video and the cars lol
@@madhavwarrier5788 Honestly, I think you should mind your business. I didn’t ask for your opinion
@@madhavwarrier5788 LOL, like the inclusion of titles to improve the viewing experience is a radical concept in 2022.
@@aokorodu lol why you gettin mad😂
@@bigfan007 never said it was a radical concept tf
Not mentioned for those who want to use their vehicles for sports/adventure:
- ID4 has a higher towing rating, 2700lbs vs 2000lbs. That's a +33% difference, and allows for some decent trailers to be pulled.
- ID4 comes stock with roof rack bars, so adding x bars and a bike rack, ski/canoe carrier, etc. is super easy. Hyundai doesn't.
- from your video, the ID4 seems WAY quieter, as many have pointed out here.
Curious to get a reply from the creators, no one ever seems to mention roof racks or towing capabilities.
But it looks ugly.
@@frankh.5378 🚎
Great overview, you really covered a lot of key features and differences between the two vehicles. While the peak charging rates are important, with so few high powered chargers currently available, real world charging times at most stations will not be substantially different until higher powered stations are more common
Thanks for watching!
Every Electrify America station I have seen has two 150KW and two 350KW chargers.
@@kens97sto171 not about peak charging rates rather the charging curve
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Absolutely.. charging curve is more important.. as long as there peak rate is also decent.. if it can hold 100kw for a long time.. you will do well . If it's 50kw for a long time.. then you will be there a long time.
Hyundai designed the best gear shifter. Great position, easy to operate, no need to look & fully frees up the center console.
I had a test drive with both cars for 2 days each. My final choice was ID.4. And I have done quite detailed comparison with all possible metrics. So here is my summary including some important elements not reflected: Design (both exterior and interior) of I5 is definitely the better one!!! The same goes with the infotainment system. The reasons I choose ID.4: Reason 1: Much smaller Turning Circles: This might be a problem if you have a tight road to your garage.. like in my case - I had to do 10+ manures to get the I5 in my Garage...with ID.4: it was just 2. Reason 2 : I have a Villa in the mountains and there is a black road for about 2km to reach it. The I5 is not an SUV as its ground clearance is like a normal car, while ID.4 is real SUV with much bigger Ground Clearance. Regards, from Europe.
Well that’s your opinion and choice, but your comparison is lame. The Ioniq5 is a way better vehicle overall.
1. Better looking
2. More spacious
3. Head turner
4. Compliments all the time
5. Technology is better
6. More bang 💥 for the buck 💴
This comment is basicly to brag about the villa in the mountains! Highfive!
@@Tun-Tun 2 of your reaaon is same and your last reason is wrong
I hope this comparison is revisited after the software updates. A lot of the ID.4s grips are fixed with the latest 3.0 and 3.1 updates.
My problem with the Ioniq 5 are all the little things. There is no heated windshield, no rear wiper, no wireless Android Auto, no kick to open the rear door. The shade for the roof can't be half closed and it's too low to the ground. All of the advantages that the Ioniq 5 has are great if your road tripping. For your day to day the iD.4 is a better choice in my opinion.
It's subjective and you really can't go wrong with either. I prefer the looks of the Ioniq 5 and that was the deciding factor for me. The faster charging with essentially free charging at EA for two years was just a bonus as most charging is done at night at home.
Indeed the new charging curve with 3.1 appears to be a huge improvement, reducing charging time significantly. In the end, the ioniq 5 charging time difference will perhaps be only a 10 minute advantage in cold weather when Hyundai activate the battery preconditioning, however I am really concerned Hyundai will not enable it on current year models. That’s why I have a reservation for the id4 awd.
id4 have all the bugs id 3 had..software update or not its a buggy car..in denmark where i am from vw called around 2000 cars back because of some bugs ..so id 4 is way behind ioniq 5 ..wireles sapple and android is not there because the car have a full gps software in and there is some isuses with tomtom who deliver the soft..i have the same problem in my tucson hybrid..something to do with tomtom ... my friend have 3 months old i4 and there where already some issues with the battery and he got it a new one..lucky him for free...stay away from i3 and id 4.. :)
@@dj.mb_one Except that now VW is pushing out their 2.4 software updates with an upgrade to the 12v battery. 2.4 fixes many of the software issues the I.D. series has now.
@@Demobot1 except the id 3 updates should fix alot of the problems and they just transfered them to id 4 😂 Id 4 is so far behind ioniq it's unbelievable. Every test around the RUclips proffers that. Ioniq5 was named in 22 countries around the world as the best ev. VW was not even in top 3.. BTW now soft mware update will ever fix the bad design s VW choosed inside the car. 😂😂😂😂 I'd 4 was put of date when it hit the factory 😂😂😂 bad car and they should copy cars like hyundai, kia or Toyota..
We are actually stuck between the Ioniq 5 and the Volvo XC40 recharge. Have you considered doing a deep dive into the Volvo and/or a comparison?
Another big advantage from ioniq5 would be V2L that allows us to use regular AC power.
Bidirectional charging should do the same on ID.4, which is in the 3.0 update - supposedly rolling out by August ‘22 in USA.
@@chopsueykungfu Korea is far superior to Germany's electric vehicle technology and car battery technology.
You can buy a portable power inverter as V2L using the 12V battery.
Having owned both an ioniq 5 and an id4 as well as four addition BEVs, I have to disagree with you on several fronts. I agree that I'd like true one pedal and hate that the sliders are not back lit but in daylight they are actually very easy and convenient to use. They can be slide or touch. Plus how can you claim the I5 is better equipped? I'd say differently equipped. The id4 has a rear wiper, rear camera cleaner, electric defrost windshield, bending headlights, wireless carplay and aa(which to your credit you mentioned) massage seats, trailer hitch with 7 Pin! connection, higher tow rating a lot more ground clearance(don't use manufacturers supplied info here..for some reason the id4 is listed at much lower ground clearance than reality). With a tape measure the id4 has 8.5 to 9 inches and the I5 has less than 7. The only thing I can see is vw is giving ground clearance measuent to little mudflap type things right behind the wheels...Oh and regarding that lack of hitch....you should hear the run around I got from Hyundai about voiding my warranty with a hitch...from TWO different dealers....and this was with THEM installing it. I finally had a dealer contact corporate to see if it was ok and they have a very vaguely worded ok(leaving room to screw me) and it cost me 1200$ parts and labour. Why is it that literally no RUclipsrs tell the whole story?Sorry, it gets really frustrating.
Both cars have pros and cons but I prefer the id4 by a small margin and this is after OWNING both.
I rode and tested both extensively and Ioniq 5 is def better. Better design inside and out and faster, better charging speeds.
Big negative for the id4 is that once you get below 80% charging state. The power is noticeable decreased. This effect is also present on the GTX version of the car. It seems like the ID4 may be manufactured at its limit for the battery. That’s a behavior not seen with the Ioniq 5 or others.
But I’ll still get the same range right?…… Hang on a minute… VW is cheating again! If I buy this and I only can enjoy full housepower in the first 20%…. That’s not fair….
The heated seats can be turned on with a double tap on the capacitive temperature slider.
How about more cameras facing forwards , I want to see dash and outside . I remember what you guys look like .
I had an ID.4 AWD on order since last Sept. (2021). In the end, continued production delays led to my cancelling the order and purchasing a Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD. After owning the EV6 for three months now, I am extremely happy that I lucked into finding one in my local area and nixing the ID.4. Nothing against it per se (with the exception of the infotainment/climate controls), but IMO, the EV6 is above and beyond the ID.4.
How is the EV6 as a family car? Would you take it camping?
@@Demobot1 yes
@@electroplank587 Yes to what?
@@Demobot1 you asked two questions. only one of them can be answered with yes or no.
The ID.4 AWD is the real EV SUV with higher ground clearance. You can take ID.4 off road while EV6 is more city or freeway driving vehicle.
I don't want to defend VWs weird system, but I disagree with the Hyundai being easier to use for things like heated seats. In their system it is also in a submenu. Both systems have so many, partly unlogically arranged menus and sub menus with a ton of settings.
Also I prefer VWs travel assist to HDA2. In my experience it worked more reliably and felt safer.
Before saying I'm biased: I own neither, but tested drove both
Sorry mate, but yours opservation is based on a short test drive.
There’s a option inside in a sistem to automatically engage seats heated or cooled whenever you start your air conditioned.
Depending you wanna colder or warmer inside temperature, you will get cooling or heating automatically.
I own id3 and Ioniq5
Sorry to say, but if you own both of them, your mind would be changed
Vw didn't even put a backlit function to the stupid touch sensitive heating controls
Hyundai just had better control designs overall. Same with Kia.
The ID4 looks out of date already! The Ionic5 looks fresh, modern and very attractive. Legacy auto should be worried. However with a price tag of nearly $100,000 in Australia for the Hyundai, I don't see many finding a home. What we need are smaller cheaper evs.
Agree to disagree. You either like the way Ioniq looks or don’t. I don’t like it, period. My neighbor has one, and there’s way too much plastic. It feels cheaply made. Now the Ford F-150 Lightning, that is going to kick everyone’s Arse!
@@MrDellasc Thank God we are all different 🙏
Give your Ionic5 2 years. It'll look hideous. It's already bad looks like a 60's space ship.
One of the biggest drawbacks of EV today. Why would a family spend more what they earn to lessen their carbon footprint. When ICE cars are getting more efficient?
Hyundai is a legacy auto lol. And the interior is full of cheap hard plastic. It feels very econo-car inside.
I was wondering about the comment about USB-A ports instead of C.. Every charging cable I have and see on sale at any gas station are USB-A to whatever is needed on the other side. FAR more cable choices with that than USB-C to USB-C or Lightning.
The lack of wireless car play has been an issue with Korean brands for while, the smaller more basic stereos have it and the bigger higher trim cars DONT.. really weird.
Turning circle is amazing on the ID-4.. honestly the best bang for your buck is the BASE Pro ID-4
No glass roof, smaller wheels, better ride, cheaper tires. Better ground clearance.
But the Ioniq 5 really does well in the range power and charging area.
Great comparison. I traded my ID.4 for and Ioniq SE and I'm very happy with the decision.
Thanks for watching, Andrew!
How much was the dealer markup?
Great video. Appreciate the comparison. 👍🏼
The screens in the Hyundai would look better in 'dark' mode.
I have the ID.4 Pro S with AWD. It's the car for me. I love it. Can't find any Ionics around and the dealers have added to the price, so 60 K is the minimum you will pay for that vehicle. now. Worth it? IDK but am totally happy with the VW ID.4. Thanks for your review.
How do you find the infotainment system? We have put a deposit on the 2023 AWD Pro S but I'm getting nervous because people seem to absolutely hate the system. Thanks!
@@thereselynch3471 There is a leaning curve . just. have to be patient as with all complex systems. Go to a dealer that has one and try it out. There are plenty of you tube videos on the subject and you can ask me any questions here.
The 4 dots on the steering wheel in Morse code is "H"
Both of these cars will sell really well. Here’s one thing I simply cant comprehend as a client in 2022:
It has been shown by Tesla and a few other manufacturers that it is possible to have a functional and large frunk as well as an elegantly hidden charge port for the last 10 years! Yes! An entire decade!
I can’t believe that these two offerings still cannot replicate this. Shocking!
Frunks are overrated, requires more of a front overhang than is necessary for EVs and decreases interior volume.
Ugly turn circles then , the ID4 turns like a ballerina . :)
It sounds like you guys were comparing to different trims.
Also, conveniently omitted a reasonable amount of details.
I feel like this review of yours was decided before it started.
Other channels did a much better, and more balanced job reviewing these two cars. You guys sounded like Hyundai was paying for this comparison.
I am not satisfied.
Nice comparison, the main issue I am switching is not only the size but the charging (I ccurent have a 2020 Soul EV Limited (64KWH - in Canada), I am thinking that if there are EV charger ques, even waiting for a EV Charger slot will not slow you down as much then a slower charging EV, win win Hyundia!
The IONIQ sales people add an extra $5 k to $10 k called market adjustment. That alone is very poor.
Exactly why many of these comparisons are unfortunately pointless. On paper, these two vehicles are in the same class budget wise, but in reality they aren't.
also mention which one qualifies for the tax credit
@2:00 the four ¨pixels"on the steering wheel? they are not pixels, four dots is H in Morse Code....
Ioniq5 all day
Personally I think the ID4 styling is much better than the retro arcade look. I think you guys had decided the winner before the video.
How often can you find the charging infrastructure to support to take advantage of the charge speed on the Ioniq 5? I ask because I’ve seen a few videos where it’s been mentioned in other reviews of the car. Personally I prefer the ID4 styling tho I think they are both awesome cars. I also noticed how much quieter the ID4 interior was.
Thing I'll wait for the GV60.
Spend a lot of time looking at my phone. I would like to see the car system I am buying; not a phone app.
Thx for the comparison, very informative. Going forward people would much rather seeing the cars side by side, instead of 2 dudes side by side. Looking forward to your next comparison video
what about 3 dudes?
I disliked the Ioniq 5 SEL from the moment I test drove it. It looked ugly and boxy, the drive wasn’t much to speak of and in general wasn’t feeling the love.
ID4 feels mature at so many levels in comparison. It’s intuitive and minimalistic. It rode better, the driving position, feel and overall comfort was far better as compared to the Ioniq 5.
@@user-3tf67bk46u I have found it funny how these days every one is excited having a 500$ iPad stuck on their dash (give them two and they go bonkers). Throw in some accent stitching, cushions and you’ve sold a $50K car. Who cares to talk about how it drives, how it will hold value over 8 years of ownership, if it’s battery is gonna hold charge with high speed charging over time …. No! Who cares when you have a car that looks right out of 1984 - back to the past in the future
They’re both great cars, the design of the Ioniq 5 is a real eye catcher. But I do not understand at all why people say the Ioniq 5 interior feels more premium than the VW. Sure the ID.4 isn’t on par to other and older VWs, but the interior is 100% higher quality than the Ioniq the interior quality is one of the biggest downsides of the Ioniq, it feels too cheap for what you are paying. I also don’t understand the Hyundai winning the comfort area, it’s a comfortable car don’t get me wrong, but once again the VW is remarkably comfortable, and has more room in some aspects. The Ioniq 5 deserved all of the other catagories but it definitely didn’t deserve all the ones it got
Part of the problem is that the two reviewers seem very biased towards Hyundai.
Imo ioniq interior is clean rather than cheap
@@hello-fw4zt The materials feel cheap
@@misccarvids dirty feel expensive for you
@@hello-fw4zt No, the Ioniq 5 literally feels cheaper, cheaper feeling plastics and more hard plastics than ID.4
18:44 I've never seen a school bus get towed before.
One big drawback for ID4 is the stupid touch controls.
I just saw the New side impact crash test videos. Most Suv are failing it! Kia telluride and Hyundai palasade especially. VW ID 4 was only EV included in the test but it was one of few suv that passed the test! Note side impact is leading type of fatal crashes. Choose wisely
Hyundai builds cheap crap that litters the sides of the highway. Safety is not a feature, but hey it looks cool to Gens Y & Z.
I would love to buy an ID.4 but apparently there aren't any available...
VW has a 3mth supply laying around.
I really love the Ioniq 5 exterior design except for the silver 1980s lower part. They need to offer a mid/dark grey detail in addition to this. And the tonneau cover is ridiculous it's so low. It doesn't line up with the top of the rear seats... ugh that drives me crazy. And no rear wiper was a real mistake. Too many functions in the screen, ie no buttons. They also should offer some more vivid colours. Like the EV6 Yacht blue. In fact, if I had to decide between the Kia and Hyundai, I'd probably go for the Kia as it's sorted out it's trunk cover. The rear window is flatter so wind will clear the view during rain, they added buttons for the functions you use all of the time. But I can't figure out why Kia didn't go for a pano roof.
Re: the VW, I think this design might have more longevity in the end. And the trunk space and cover seem much larger. Apparently, VW has several software upgrades already finished so many of their interface issues are being resolved. Not sure why VW decided to put 2 screens instead of 1 sweeping one. And it is 4 or 5k cheaper up here in Canada. If you buy an ID4 go for the AWD for sure. 300hp makes it a much better vehicle.
Such a tough decision. In my opinion all of these are a much better choice over the Model 3 or Y which are a good 15-27k more.
Ioniq 5.
Is it me or is the ID4 quieter than the ionic 5? When they switch cars I noticed that the ID4 is quieter.
I did
Yup!
The ID.4 is a real car and the Ionic is a Hyundai. Makes a lot of difference.
Ioniq is a real car and id is a slow turtle from vw. Makes a lot of difference in every specs.
No surprises here. The ID4 never had a chance in this comparison.
The ID.4 is essentially a 2-3 year old design and the Hyundai is a new release. And any Hyundai is a no go at that price.
It does though. The ID.4 is aimed towards a more traditional crossover buyer and is cheaper than the Ioniq 5 in every comparable trim
@@nothere572 yep that is why I went with the id4. Dealer markups are crazy on Ioniq 5.
The lack of rear wiper on the ioniq 5 wasn’t even discussed. In snowy regions with salt, it’s a significant omission. Also, the ota software update capability is hugely important and as far as I know, Hyundai have not confirmed that all modules are upgradeable.
The rear wiper is a good point. Here in SoCal it's not as much of a pressing issue, but we get that in snowy climates it is a big oversite.
We have had an Ioniq 5 AWD since February. I was concerned about the lack of the rear wiper. So far it hasn't been a big problem and we do live in Colorado. Today I was driving home in the snow and noticed the obscured rear window but I was driving our Tacoma pickup and realized we'd been living without a rear wiper for almost 20 years.
@@COSolar6419 ok but not being able to see out the rear on the highway is pretty sketchy
@@ProfessorHamer Yes I would prefer to have the rear wiper. However there are millions of vehicles on the road with zero visibility through the rear window because they are towing a trailer etc.
@@COSolar6419 True but myself and probably millions of others didn't drive with an obscured rear window. And to not have that is disconcerting. Not to mention how much could it cost Hyundai to add a wiper.
The brown interior is only on one model. I doubt most people would get brown.
the id.4 is such a comfortable ride
Clint, you need to find a different placement for your mic next time.
Damn seatbelt got me...
The upcoming EquinoxEV looks very compelling, especially if it hits the promised $30K mark.
Like that’s ever going to happen at GM, delivered one hummer and a few bolts last quarter? They will be out of business first
For there records, I will not ever own any of the VAG products.
The two extra inches of ground clearance that the ID4 has is a big deal to me. I drive small country roads that require you to put a wheel in the ditch to pass. A Mach E would be a really bad idea, the Hyundai would be fine.
In your case, yes, that is a big deal!
Yes, it is the only real SUV of all the EVs who call themselves "SUVs". It's a shame how low model Y, mach e, ioniq 5 sits. They are just big hatch back.
Actually the only real ev SUVs are the bz4x and Solttera.
They have 8.5 inch of ground clearance
@@ehudk215 id4 AWD has 8.2", and I've confirmed by measuring myself. Toyota and Subaru's are a little taller, but charges way slower 🤣
@@ehudk215 everyone always forget granddad E-tron!
Super-accurate comparison, thanks guys!
Drum brakes and not supporting 800v charging are too big of a sacrifice for me. There is no reason to choose ID.4 over IONIQ 5 at the same price.
Hard to beat 800 volt charging.
You should of added the Kia ev6 in this comparison
We need more drivers 🤷🏻♂️
Good luck looking in your rearview mirror in bad weather on the Ioniq, no rear wiper is a nono in rainy and winter driving ..can even be considered dangerous...or stop every 10 miles to clean the back window. Major mistake in my book.
The times I pull up to a charging station full of German cars (except Porsches since the have 900kw batteries) I leave, they take too long to charge. My Ioniq is 12-18 minutes to charge.
you can add wireless car play and android auto with an adapter they work really well
The ID4 has automatic lane changes for 2023s.
0 Hyundai/Kia Dealers in Ohio willing to sell at MSRP. They all seem to be overpriced by a similar amount (about as much as the tax credit). Our VW dealership promised MSRP. When the offer from Hyundai for an Ioniq 5 came in at $59k for a "close match" but not exactly what we wanted, we locked in our fully loaded AWD Id.4 for under $52K. Thank your dealerships and bizarre "preferencing" scheme for that one Hyundai.
The ID.4 qualifies for the $7500 tax credit, the Hyundai does not. VW also is discounting the ID.4. No crazy Kia/Hyundai dealer markups either. The ID.4 is a pretty decent EV value.
There is one thing I find super puzzling with all these car reviews and comparisons.
Why are you guys not talking about the most important feature: To what extend do they keep lane, stay at distance to the car infront or stay at a certain speed? I think 99% of us use our car for commuting and the most important feature is how well does it drive by itself.
Does it do less than that or does it do more than that, awesome. Tell us. But at least these fundamentals. I have zero clue if any car does em except Teslas.
The IONIQ 5 does excellent for Lane Keep Assist and Smart Cruise Control. Tesla appear to be the clear leader and wasn't even aware the ID.4 does LKA until this video. Keep in mind the IONIQ 5 I have uses HDA2 (Highway Drive Assist 2). Stop and go commutes are very good. My previous Kona EV used HDA1 which was good but HDA2 is much better.
neither of these cars are self driving, you need to look elsewhere for that or call a taxi.
@@electroplank587 Self driving is quite different from LKA and smart cruise. If I were to purchase a Tesla anytime soon, I'd save the $10K for the self driving feature.
STILL TOO EXPENSIVE1. I own a 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe ICE with every possible electronics goodie and luxury appointment. It has every single enhancement these electric vehicles have, so we know it has just as many chips and electronic feedback loops as any electric vehicle. Yet it cost me $39,000 fully loaded with all the safety features, Ventilated Seats, Active Cruise Control, and 360 degree Surround-View, as well as a 282 hp/ 313 lbs ft of Torque powerplant. And with its turbo engine, 8 speed dual clutch transmission, catalytic converter, EPA measuring devices, complex cooling systems, et. al. it is most definitely more complicated to manufacture than these small electric vehicles. Yet, it still cost me $39,000 total. Am I making my point that there is NO EXCUSE for the price tags they are placing on these. I will move to an electric vehicle when its simpler construction enables prices LESS than what I've paid before.
I'm really surprised about the final verdict in this one. Or, actually that you were able to pick a clear winner at all.
Personally, I don't like the interior of the IONIC 5. Although the ID.4 is not perfect, at least, it doesn't sound like an amusement park. (In Europe, you can also get other seats in the ID.4 called Top Sport.. With the Hyundai you're stuck with the "living room" seats.) For practicality, the IONIQ 5 lacks rails for roof rack, although it _can_ carry one, it doesn't have a load through system and you don't have a flexible partition net. The latter is a major safety concern! Owners also complain about the missing rear window wiper, and the IONIC 5 it doesn't have nearly as good lights as the ID.4. Again, the difference might be bigger in Europe, but even without the "matrix" lights, I believe the ID.4 is better in this department.
When it comes to range, the ID.4 did better than the IONIC 5 in both summer- and winter test performed by the Norwegian Automobile Association (low speed mountain run, 100-0%, driven together). The ID.4 GTX also beat the IONIQ 5 in Teslabjørns "70 mph" summer range test with some margin. I recommend that you refer to WLTP or do your own real life head to head tests, in future comparisons. Further, the charging performance and thermal control is improved in the later ID.4 software versions. I can understand that you can't take that into the equation in the US at this point, and the peak power is still nowhere near the IONIQ 5. However, the thermal control, or lack thereof, is just terrible in the IONIC 5. That's a potential, major drawback in real life.
I also feel that the overall drive feel, suspension and level of road noise in the ID.4 is great. I'm surprised that you think the IONIQ 5 beats it. I believe you can actually hear/sense the difference in the video 13:55 .. When it comes to the rear seats, it's great that they're movable and recline in the IONICQ 5. To me, they seem a bit low and flat, and I imagine that 3-4 adults would be more comfortable in the ID.4. If they sit upright. I might be wrong. 🙂
The tech bros like the Korean car - or were paid to. To much chatter and not enough detail.
As far as looks go I like the id4 better. Haven’t driven either so can’t comment on the rest.
I just stopped by both dealers. The IONIQ was in stock surprisingly, but came with a 10k markup. No thanks. The 2023 ID.4 is potentially eligible for a $7500 tax credit (depending on what congress decides), since it is built in Chananooga TN. Not so for the IONIQ. So currenlty you are lookign at 59k for a IONIQ SEL, whereas an ID.4 ProS RWD would come in at ~48k, less the 7.5k credit (if you are eligible), potentially an 18k difference. YIKES!
The Hyundai fet like a nice sedan, had a lot of space, but felt like some wasted space in the front. Huge trunk. The ID.4 also had decent space, but maybe not quite as big. The IONIQ did fell very "modern", but honeslty maybe a bit over the top video-gamish (for me); The ID.4 felt more like a mid SUV. I did not like the screen colors on the ID.4, that may be modifiable. Didnt really care for the drive/reverse selctor on the ID.4. The ID.4 infotainment sytem seemed clunky-unintuitive.
Comparing a 21 to a 22?
When testing out the Ioniq5 and EV6, I kind of just feel like if I was driving the ID.4 with maybe a little bit more of a content than the ID.4. It is nice the fact that it does charge faster, and have ventilated seats. But you can't get massaging seats on the Korean Twins and that's one reason I like about the VW. I don't feel that it's differentiated enough for me to say got to have the Korean Twins where the VW do just as good. Not to mention VW came out first than the Korean twins so obviously that the Korean twins have to make just a little bit better. I do differ on the materials of the ID.4 just because I test out the Ioniq5 SE where it's just full on plastics inside whereas the ID.4 isn't.
Also not to mention crazy dealer markups that Hyundai and Kia is doing at their dealer practice. I do get their products do look great, but it really doesn't feel that much of a hype.
8:24 ...or an adapter plug. 6 bucks, for a 2Pack USB C Female to USB Male Adapter ...
Griffith Park?
Love i-pedal. Wish you could make it default when restarting the vehicle.
I keep seeing article’s stating that Ioniq 5 sales are down. Not sure how, two dealers told me they are sold out this year and there is a wait of up to a year for a 2023. Noting they are also directing my to the overpriced used car lot, trying to convince me to buy used.
So if sales are down, its because of your greedy dealers Hyundai.
I do have an ID4 and I am happy with it. It seems that you are being paid by Hunday…
You are not making a fair comparison because you are comparing an older version of the ID4 with a new IONIC5. The new version of the ID4 has much better technology (OTA up dates, Travel Assist with swarm data, loading curve maintaining high voltage to almost 60% charge, Headup display. And you do not have to use the buttons you can activate everything (temperature, volume, navigation….) over voice control without leaving your hands from the steering wheel and you can also ask to tell you a joke. Is your Hunday capable of that???
I have a ID.4 too and this “review” was grossly lopsided in favor of the Hyundai. It’s pathetic, actually.
Ofc they can do that, volkswagen fanboy
Copium. Ioniq is faster, faster charge and has v2L.
I really wish people would move away from range and charging speed as such a “big” part of these. Tom and Kyle speak to it often on the pod and that it doesn’t effect most drivers. I’ve had a Kona for almost 3 years and have yet to need to go to a DC Fast charger. Same goes for the range piece, for most people it rarely matters. The Ionic does look sharp and Hyundai does give you a lot of bells and whistles. However, the Hyundai ownership experience is the worst I have ever dealt with. Good luck if you ever need to get anything fixed.
The most biased review I've ever seen. Come on, Hyundai had to pay you for this crap. That thing looks like a 60's space ship. Many would say, and have said, one of the great things about the ID4 is the fact it looks like a normal crossover, and doesn't look like the set designer from Flash Gordon had a hand in designing it. You talk about confusing controls in the ID4 but didn't even mention that awful dual ac control radio function thing the Ioniq has. You talk about how great the moon roof is in the Ioniq but don't even mention it in the ID4. You talk about how the Ioniq cones with 2 years of free charging but don't mention the 3 years the ID4 cones with. This is just a few examples of how biased this review was.
I agree. Well said.
Well said!
Agree 👍🏼
Tech bros on steroids. I am sure they use Androids - a good match for a cheap Korean car.
Ioniq beats that slow cheap Germen car in every specs. faster, v2L, fast charge.
These guys have kids? They seemed clueless in importance of usable practical space required by family suv.
This was probably the most obvious paid review I have seen, you guys sold your soul to Hyundai and lied to all people. Shame on you!
Even in video I can hear that its less noisy inside IQ4 than Ioniq 5.
Kinda misleading- northwest Ohio users 35% natural gas for electricity so there is a drop
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has been chosen as the best design of the year, the best car of the year and the best EV of the year... there are plenty more comments, your honor...🤤🤷♂️😱
hopefully charging speed is an easy upgrade for VW in the next model
They will have that
The Ionic5 won the world’s best EV Award And the Kia EV6 won Europe’s best EV Award. For all the ID4 owners after spending all that money it’s good to try and defend your car and you can argue all you want but it’s obvious who the loser is. The VW Name is not gonna be able to compete with Hyundai/Genesis in the EV world. The Kia Niro EV Is more popular than the VW ID4, just don’t take my word for it research it. That’s how I ended up buying a Hyundai for the first time.
So why did you not compare a VW ID4 AWD Wasn't your test Hyundai AWD
Wow, how much quieter the ID.4 is vs the Ioniq 5.
Ioniq 5 has great manners when it comes to noise.
@@InsideEVsUS how much Hiunday paid to you?
I don´t think the ID4 is so much under the Ioniq 5 as you guys say, I guess
id4 has better suspension,more comfortable ride.
Yes. Yes it does
The ioniq 5 suspension reminds me of my grandpa's Cadillac in the 80s. Lol
@@Vinrx7 claasic feel lol
True. German cars feel different- all of them.
Ioniq has better suspension, more comfortable, faster, faster charge and has v2L. German is nothing in EV.
Price above all.
Just ordered the Kia EV6, has both of these beat (but the Hyundai reminds me of the DeLorean, so cool)
Beat in price to ? haha
At first I liked the Ioniq design until I had seen how really big they are. It would benefit from a smaller footprint.
Still making it named SUV is something I struggle with.
The ID4 ain't bad and is more SUV styled.
The Enyaq is Better interior. But you don't get those.
When you travel a lot the Ioniq is a winner. For average John Doe, it's not much of a deal breaker where you just charge at home.
On the ID interface. 3.0/.1 is going to do what is supposed to do from start.
And the slider works better when you put your hand under the pinnacle and use your thumb.
Still anoying to have no light there.
Airco had voice control too though.
And radio has steering button and voice control 😉
Ioniq5
The Korean is the winner
IONIQ 5 all the way. VW giving yesterday’s technology for today’s money besides looks flattened bread. It’s not attractive in anyway. VW desperately trying to people forget about ‘diesel gate’ corruption.
Good review. A few points. I have the SE AWD and I get greater than 256 in range (more like 303). With I-Pedal, I've been using it a lot and it does come to a full stop without having to brake (if you're at level 3 or lower it does not). As far performance, handling and speed/acceleration are different aspects of performance. The VW may have more feel, but in 0 to 60, acceleration, and top end the VW handily loses to thr I5 (I would have called the performance a tie in that respect). Overall, good review 👍
Thanks for watching! Good to know about the range, too.
Yes but the difference between 0 to 60 is like one second and top end speed might matter if your at a drag strip, but those are meaningless marketing numbers in the real world
Even when not using i-pedal the ioniq 5 will come to a full stop if you pull the left paddle until the car has halted fully. (and this without switching to i-pedal). The same is the konaE64 doea with those pedals. The ioniq original (2017) does not come to a full stop. (I've driven them all)
When driving i - pedal the ioniq 5 uses a little more energy because the front motor is always engaged...needed for max regeneration braking.
I drive mostly with use of ascc and when necessary the paddles on the steering wheel.
With my 72,3 KWH battery I reach 440 km on full charge in summer. WITH airco on.
Max acceleration is only usefull when I need to pass another car on a country road. Passing in 3 seconds instead of maybe 6 or 7 seconds.
Max speed is irrelevant due to the allowed maximum speed in my country.
Important however is the maximum trailer weight (1600 kg ioniq 5 but only 750 kg for the ID 4).
(A glider weights , in trailer, up to 1500 kg for a two seater, 900 kg for a one person glider...including trailer weight. Both are to heavy for the id4 )