The ID.4 I test drove last year felt really underpowered compared to the weight of the car. That was the RWD version with 0-62 in 8.5 seconds. It's also got a bit more of a fossil car feel to it, I think VW are aiming to make it a smooth transition from something like a Tiguan. Pretty good choice for the suburbs or even as the single family car (depending on the charging infrastructure). The Ioniq 5 RWD I ended up buying feels a lot more powerful, even though 0-62 is only a bit faster at 7.4 seconds. In terms of cargo space, the Ioniq 5 is surprisingly large, especially when you slide the rear seats forward. And in the EU RWD the frunk is bigger and actually useful. However, if you need the legroom in the Ioniq 5 and don't slide the seats forward, the ID.4 definitely has a bigger and more useful boot. What clinched it for me is the faster charging, as I do a lot of mileage per year, including long day trips. having the shorter charging sessions means not having to hang around waiting for the car to charge. It's done charging in the time it takes us to go to the loo, have a coffee and stretch out for a couple of minutes. No time loss compared to the regular breaks we did with a fossil car. There are a couple of things I don't like that much in the Ioniq 5 however: - poor aerodynamics which really impacts motorway range, - only getting the 72.6 kWh battery in Europe (compared to the 77.4 kWh battery you're getting in the USA), - no OTA updates for the drive systems (OTA will only be enabled for Infotainment and Navigation) - the placement of the Bose subwoofer in the underfloor compartment is frankly moronic, - there's some interior rattling that still needs to be fixed, - the fact that you have to use the USB port under the dash for Android Auto (not the one in the console. Although supposedly wireless Android Auto should be enabled by an update), - no automated trip planning with charging stops (although might come with an update), - slower charging in cold conditions (update has been promised by Hyundai to preheat the battery). Overall pretty happy, and also happy to report that there have already been some updates to the Infotainment and Navigation (although not yet OTA). Biggest disappointment is the fact that they cancelled the automatic pop-out door handles in the Netherlands (and some other countries as well). These manual door handles are very hard to use in the dark; they're the same colour as the door and there's no welcome light shining on them. Anyway, I'm getting some refund for that omission.
@@bilgyno1 I have booked an AWD ID.4. Hopefully the AWD will help with the underpower issue of RWD. Ioniq 5 seems interesting, but I am not a big fan of the hatchback cars and the interior design such as big bezel screens and circular shape handle. I do like the rear vents location and fast charging. I just prefer a SUV style of ID.4. I don't go on road trips much, and I can charge at home, so I think I can get by with ID.4.
@@acefr8816 yes, if you can charge at home, work or on the street nearby the ID.4 is a very good choice too IMO. It's just great that we finally have more choice
I’m a VW guy but bought the Ioniq 5. I’m a road tripper so the crazy fast 800 volt charging was a game changer. 10 to 80% in 18 minutes. I have seen 233kw! The car is so smooth and quiet and I love the roomy comfy interior.
Hey Forrest, I am buying an Ionic 5 today. I had an ID4 for 3 months and got hit back in December. After two months they finally decided to total it. What do you find are the big plusses of the i5 over the ID4 for you?
@@michaeljflagg In no real order…charging speed, infotainment (minus for not being wireless, but I use an adapter), driver aides are smoother, brakes don’t make noise, one pedal driving that’s very customizable, driver aides that remain off when I turn them off. I did go from RWD ID4 to AWD I5 so power is awesome, but not apples to apples. It’s not that the ID was terrible, it just small things added up to being unhappy with it. 1,000 miles in with I5, very pleased.
I'm from Canada and I just ordered an Ionic 5 Long Range with the Ultimate package. I did a test drive and I just fell in love. I'm a big fan of Tesla and I was hopping for the come back of the Model Y Standard Range. Apparently not this year. But who cares! The Ionic 5 is even better at many aspects. Thanks for the nice review. It confirmed my choice ;-)
Haven't driven, or even seen, either car but from reviews and on paper I feel I'd go Ioniq 5 just for a bit more potential future proofing. I also think it's the best styled car I've seen in a couple decades.
After 4 VWs in a row I ordered an ID4 and got the phone call from my dealer that it had arrived. So excited. Went with checkbook in hand and did my test drive and instead of taking it home, I waited 7 more months and got an EV6 instead. I didn't like the ID4's gradual power delivery. Seemed frustratingly limited by software. Also couldn't stomach the ergonomics for climate control and on steering wheel. The EV6 I'm extremely happy with. I am addicted to the comfort and instant passing ability.
Two great EVs! After watching all these videos for so long and finally getting my AWD ID.4 (after a year on the reservation list), I've got to say that Out of Spec's videos have been the most bang-on and useful. I juxtaposed those reviews against what I had decided was and was not important to me. Its been bang on. I've been so happy playing around with this vehicle! The modern relevancy of your comments make me feel a bit old. Even though I'm a total tech nerd (programmer and digital circuit design my whole life). Sure, I've driven Tesla's and newer Audi's (my brother is big car nerd), but for my personal ownership I'm basically coming from a 22 year old gasoline A6 2.7T. Not a meek car by any means, but a lot has changed over the last 22 years! I loved your comment about USB-A. I still use USB-A (!)(!). Only two of our devices are USB-C (a newer mac and newer ipad). All of our lightning and micro-usb cords are USB-A, so I had to buy a few adapters for the ID.4's USB-C ports. It took me about a week to get used to the extreme level of integration too. On the ID.4 with wireless car-play and proximity key sensing I don't have to take anything out of my pockets or fiddle. Not my phone, not my keys, nothing. I just walk up to the car, open the door, get in, and go. The ID.4 is ready to drive in literally 2 seconds. By the time I get to the stop sign at the end of the street, its GUI is fully operational and car-play has connected and is showing the map. All without me having to fiddle with anything. But then we get into other things that I don't care about so much. I like to drive... lane keeping is something I might use occasionally but frankly it isn't as smooth as manual driving for my passengers. I was initially unimpressed with the radar following cruise control, but eventually found a decent setting using custom mode. I love comfort mode for the accelerator peddle but use sport mode for everything else. For sure. The seats are to die for... they're really nice on the trim level I got (since I wanted the King's Red, I pretty much went all-out on the AWD trim and I don't regret it at all). The biggest surprise I had was that ... I wound up really not caring about the slowness of the UI and infotainment system. I barely need to touch it since everything I care about runs from my iphone. That was probably my biggest worry going in because so many RUclips channels remarked on it. But its been a total non-issue for me (the car came with 2.1. I am eagerly, but not rabidly, awaiting OTA updates). Coming from a gasoline car.. or more specifically, a manual gasoline sportscar, figuring out the D mode, B mode, and braking action was probably my second worry. It isn't perfect by any means, but I think criticisms were also overstated on various RUclips channels. To be honest, I far prefer D mode over B mode. I think I would like B mode better if there were a little more play in the peddle for coasting but it flips into regen too quickly as you lift your foot off and is not nearly as smooth for passengers as D mode where you coast. I don't mind hitting the brakes for regen. When I intend to regen a very long time I either let the cruise control handle it or I flip it into B mode. But for most everyday driving D mode is both more comfortable and appears to be more efficient too (when one can judge when coasting works, its going to be more efficient than cycling the electric motor). I would like VW to work on regen-v-physical-brakes mixing. The brake peddle is tuned fairly well but it could be better. If there were anything on my wish list at all it would be to have a manual traction control where I could tell the car which wheels to drive (have the car just clamp the brakes down on the wheels that I don't want to turn). True 4WD is not something I want in a vehicle like this, but having fine control in 'stuck' situations would be a nice thing to have. -- For me the IONIQ 5 was intriguing, but a bit too new and untested. Kinda like the Mach-E. I wound up trusting VW's ability and promises more than I did Hyundai or Ford (I have a particular distrust of Ford, to be honest). I also like the lines of the ID.4 far better. Its a beautiful vehicle that really shows in the King's Red that I got. As an electrical engineer I knew for absolute certain that the IONIQ's 800V architecture would maintain power to the motors better and be able to charge faster, but those are mostly non-issues for me these days. The IONIQ is definitely a more geeky car and if I were 20 years younger I'd probably have chosen it instead. But my days of going 154 mph are long over (and I survived so.... feather). Kinda like when I was a slalom skier in my 20's and switched to snowboarding in my 30's because I was just having to go too fast on skis to have fun, whereas on the snowboard one can have fun going just about any speed (and ripping it down a freshly groomed slope, or on fresh powder, is actually more exciting on a snowboard than on skis). Same with cars, it seems. Fancy that! Keep up the videos! -Matt
Kyle, I'm currently waiting for my I.D. 4 Pro S. I locked my order about three weeks ago. The waiting time is about 3 to 4 months! Below, there is part of an email I have received from VW: •ID.4 Pro starting MSRP of $40,760 •Expected improvements to the range and DC fast charging speed compared to MY21 •Latest software with benefits such as Auto Hold and Over-the-Air software update capability. •3 years of included 30-minute charging sessions at Electrify America DC Fast Charging Stations at no additional cost. So, It should have an Auto Hold function!
Same thing, locked in a pro gradient awd a few weeks ago after ordering in late October. Same email. But delivery is mid year. Which now makes me want to go scout the Hyundai dealer here.
Can’t wait for the BIG test! You’ll probably be the first reviewers to do a mega test with loads of EVs together. I think Carwow has come closest so far, but it was really only a range test. I reckon I already know the winner…something with a 6 in the name.
I am on the list for Ioniq 5 Limited. I am 5'11" and Ioniq 5 is the only car that doesn't bother my knees hitting or rubbing against the center console. It is so much more comfortable on all driving conditions.
The Hyundai is more premium, better charging technology and better warranty. As a someone who drives from north to Florida regularly, the winner is clearly the Ioniq.
@Kumar This is a very ignorant comment. I drive a 3 series. My Santafe is a lot better and definitely more premium. My Hyundai has genuine nappa leather, the BMW has artificial leather.
The ID.4, Ionic 5, and EV6 are all on my list to look at used in maybe 3 years. We'll see what else pops up between now and then, but I would love either one of these. Nice video, I appreciate hearing the honest opinions.
Three years is a great timeframe to buy a used EV, assuming used car prices are back to their pre-covid levels. (Sure seems like they should be by that time, right ?!?
Have an id4 awd pro gradient on order due in mid 2022. Had sat in the Hyundai last fall at an EV show here in Denver. Liked it but not being sold so we ordered the VW. Watched your reviews and comparisons today. Still think I like the VW but will be checking in with the Hyundai dealer later this week. Thanks. Really like your reviews. So much fun. And happiness.
I discovered the power of Hyundai engineering when I worked for them a while back. Korean engineering is outstanding. With Hyundai's signature of exploring the future of mobility, they will contribute fairly in shaping the world transition to EVs and beyond.
@@DeniJasmina that's great news! Auto-hold in the ID.4-- now we just need to see the reveal of the ID Buzz! (Hopefully vw will have vehicle to load feature)
And Just for your correction on the Ioniq5 HTrac configuration, Even when in ECO MODE, THE AWD IS ALWAYS ACTIVE full time from a start, until 15MPH is reached. THEN disconnects, hence expected range drop. This is clearly shown on the main speedometer screen with the 4 wheel power distribution regen graph.
The basic idea of the rear drum brakes in MEB cars is not low cost as much as it is rust prevention. The brakes, expecially rear brakes are used so much less in an EV than an ICE car because of regenning that at least in some climates the disk brakes tend to get rusty. Living in a country with such a climate I would also miss a rear screen wiper in the Ionic 5. But both are great cars, although I'd go for the EV6 rather than the Ionic 5 simply because of the styling.
After 3 winters of horrible squeaky surface-rusted disc brakes on my Kona, I'm good and ready for some drums. It sounds like a 20 year old Pontiac when I'm in parking lots. During winter months, every morning I need to shift into neutral while driving at 50 km/h and slam the brakes just to get the squeaky surface rust and grit off the rotors.
The lack of a rear wiper on the Ioniq 5 is a major drawback in comparison with the Id.4. To my way of thinking, it is a safety issue. Authorities don't allow cars without rearview mirrors. Why should they allow them with rear windows made opaque by poorly engineered designs?
Just got my ID4 after binge watching your ev videos for a few months. And I absolutely love it!!! The ONLY thing I don’t like about it is the sun visors lol 😂 otherwise, love it
As for the roof racks: in Europe there are already some options to put roof racks on the Ioniq 5. The roof is rated to carry up to 80 kg / 175 lbs load while driving.
I will say that I am a bit bummed out by the roof rack situation with the Hyundai. For a family road trip we would need to put a box on it with some cargo up there. I suspect that would exceed 175 pounds very easily. Sounds like the European solution you mention is more for bicycles and stuff like that
@@amigajoe actually, most roof boxes here are rated for 75 Kg, and the roofs normally can carry 100 Kg. So, the I5 is rated for a bit less, but it's easy to just put lighter items in the box, and stay within the rated capacity. This is the load while driving, and when stationary it should be possible to mount a roof tent (but obviously no company rates their roofs for that use).
I originally reserved both ID.4 and Ioniq 5, the Hyundai dealer want to add $5k markup, hate it, now I am happily driving my ID.4 around, really no complain
Thanks for this vid. This made me have a better understanding of the Ioniq 5 and would prefer it over the ID4. Love that non-metallic gray on the Ioniq 5.
I’ve been living with the ID.4 for about 3 months now, and while I appreciate many things about it (interior space, the unlimited free EA charging for 2021 models, the versatility and ride height), the IONIQ5 is clearly a superior product by almost all measures. I know it’s a sore subject at this point, but the ID.4 infotainment is borderline unusable. It has been desperately in need of a software update for almost a year now. Anecdotal, but my particular ID.4 has spent almost two entire weeks at the dealer (and is currently there now), fixing random rattles and creaks; build quality issues that historically haven’t plagued Korean products as much as VW.
@@kronosaurelius yeah, I’ve had a few odd dash errors over the past few months, but none seemed to persist. The strangest one had to do with the directional headlights being disabled. The brake noise was kind of to be expected given the rear drums, so no issue there. The less tolerable noises were the sounds coming from the expanding/contracting of the tail light panel (which comes almost completely unseated on cold days), pano moonroof issues, etc.
The 2021 infotainment system sucks. I think it is limited by the poor processor and software. Software may help a little, and I hope it will make it more usable.
I test drove an id4 for the first time recently, and an ionic 5 the same day. I prefer the higher ride height of the ID four, but the info ment system is just a dealbreaker for me, which I think is amplified by the fact that I’ve driven a Model3 for the last three years. It really felt like an infotainment system pulled out of a four year old car. Some software improvements could happen, but I strongly suspect that it just doesn’t have much processing power in there, and thus the lag etc.
I drove an ID.4 when I was cross-shopping, and though it's a fine car, I found it a tad slow and I wasn't crazy about the infotainment design and about VW's approach to managing regen. I eventually bought a car before the IONIQ went on sale but it is a very intriguing car indeed along with its KIA sibling.
ID.4 in B-mode has adequate one-pedal driving - a bit on the weaker side but well balanced and easy to adopt to. In Europe you can couple it with the adaptive regen also, so that it will regen for cars, roundabouts etc in addition to lift of regen. In D mode it will coast but use regen on the brake pedal until a certain threshold where mechanical brakes is used.
I live on a lake and have a 17’ motorboat to put in and take out of the water. The ID4 can trailer about 2000 lbs. It’s plenty fast for legal driving and I can put a roof rack on for skis and bikes. I’d enjoy the auto hold which I had on my BMW X3, but that’s not a deal breaker. Love the free charging on EA and can use Tesla destination chargers for free at lots of locations. ( I can drive 90 miles to a ski area, hook up while skiing, and it’s like free petrol!)
Areas I'm interested in during car comparison you mentioned at beginning of video... After Tesla V11 and Kia EV6 having to choose between controls for media or HVAC in center controls, I'm interested how easy and how well displayed are normal functions. Fan temp/speed, media volume, defroster, heated seats, viewing wh/mi efficiency, trip odometer while driving. How easily accessible and well presented are these necessary common functions. Also, which cars have heat pumps and well thought out battery temperature management.
IIRC on the Ioniq 5 only the AWD has a heat pump. What's more important IMO is who still keeps using PTC with a heat pump. The leaf got that right - Bjorn says it uses the PTC until the heat pump is ramped up.
Picked up my ID4 about 6 weeks ago - very happy with it. More ground clearance, AWD, and looks were my major decision points. Some of us prefer the more traditional look of the ID4. As for charge speed - normal daily charging from home makes this irrelevant - on road trips, by the time I take my nature break and get back to the car it is charged so really not a factor.
Me owning an enyaq iV 60 will always go for the ID 4 as it offers more of what I need for my family: space, comfort, seating position, security features, Dior handles, rear window whiper... Although I very much like the looks of the Ioniq 5 I would only use the superb charging speed 1-2 a year. But as always: very individuel choices to be made. I do not think that the one is better than the other. It depends. Greetings from Germany.
These are the two I was down to. However the MAP pricing on the Ioniq pushed me into the ID4. Total price gap is currently about $10k all in. You can easily get the top of the line ID4 for less than the mid tier Ioniq.
Can’t wait till you get an R1T to test more in depth! I’m all here for the “nerdy ev vibes” and am curious of what you think after you run your tests outside of a First Mile event
Bought VW id 4 pro S with 82kwh battery in December. Was able to get it for under 46k Pretty happy with it so far. Getting true mileage of about 180 miles for 80% charge. Like the one pedal drive and auto brake feature. Interactive system not as good as other car makers but not horrible. Fairly roomy interior. Great car for in town driving. Not sure it would be great for anything further than 150 miles. Free charging for 3 years is unlimited but only available in 30 minute increments. This was deal breaker for me. No more gas for me.
Just got a 2023 id.4 pro s comming from 2020 TLX A-Spec I love the suv feel of the ID.4 daughter just turned 1 I needed a bigger car that was high of the ground to access baby car seat easily where ionic 5 I felt was a little too small from the inside rear room space
I have the 2023 Hyundai ionic 3 dual motor and yes it’s definitely quick on acceleration which I drive mostly in normal mode my myself. It’s a very heavy car if you ever put it on a scale but it’s quick😁👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 You’ll definitely need a good radar detector to prevent getting pulled over because again it is quick
I like your reviews. You tend not to "follow the crowd" as much as a lot of RUclipsrs. I've got an ioniq 5 and have two id.4's on order, so I'd love to see what my impressions are after driving both over time. I also have a Polestar 2, which blows away both of these cars as far as fun factor(and infotainment) goes. Things I will be looking forward to with the I'd.4 is the rear wiper, wireless carplay and factory trailer hitch. I find it odd that most reviewers tend to leave those advantages of the VW out.
From the spec, they both are great. I just can't get into my head that either a Hyundai or Kia is even the price. wise worth the cost. I am in line for an ID.4. And the charging curve for me is very good for the ID.4. Coming from a Bolt.
IONIQ 5 is what I’d pick. ID.4 is great, but the 800v system, the sick styling, and the spacious interior are phenomenal, and it’s just an overall fantastic package. It’s the best attempt from an automaker that isn’t Tesla at capturing that “iPhone of vehicles” vibe.
My local Hyundai dealer in the Seattle burbs just got in a few of these 5s. I was actually glad to see the upper spec model without glass roof. Can't help but think of extra weight, noise intrusion and solar intrusion (despite what all the OEMs say).
This is helpful! We have an ID.4 1st Edition that will be bought back by VW due to the lemon law. Debating whether to get an IONIQ 5 SEL or another ID.4. At the end of the day, it's largely about availability.
Leaning towards the ID4 at the moment as I see it as the most rounded and practical car and better value. Test drove one last week and also noted the lack of any way to put the parking brake on when stopped, then found what you mentioned: Europe has it. It looks like it's a software thing - will North American cars get an OTA for this and/or will newer models get it??
Definitely the best 'value' of the choices out there right now, especially if you figure-in the fact that with a little dealer-shopping and your reservation, id4's can apparently be had without dealer markups or add-ons in many cases. Also the best 'looking' EV, in my opinion. I just can't get past the infotainment system. Coming from three years in a Model 3, my expectations in that regard are really high.
Drumbrakes should be on all four wheels on EVs. Less maintenance and almost everyone is using the motors to brake anyways. Mechanical brakes are for emergency braking and drumbrakes are protected for the elements and dirt by the drums and therefor is a better choice for EVs that aint using the power og smootness of the discs anyways. Just more and expensive maintenance. EVs often has to have the caliper and disc rebuilds, because the are just there exposed to elementes without getting used.
Actually, you can put rails on the Ioniq 5. The mounts have plastic covers on them that can be removed (according to our salesman) and rails added. I haven't tried it because I currently don't have a need for them.There is also a trailer hitch for the Ioniq 5.
I really like the details you get into. However, one area you can improve in, is to use a tall driver and discuss driver and rear seat passenger seating positions more in detail. I'm 6'4 and the driver position in the ionic 5 is like an old Italian car - i.e. you need to be a primate in order to drive it. The steering column can't be moved far enough back, while the seat can. The id4 have a much better driving position. Then after you've discussed that and showed the driver position with a 6'4" or taller person, then go back to the backset and show how much or little room there is in the backseat, both for the tall dude and the short one. And to that, add numbers in cm and inches to show the actual leg room. the same with the luggage - use measurements in cm/inches to let the viewers know the differences in length, depth, height, volume regarding the two, the seating position is weird too in that you sit really high up in the ioniq with the dashboard low. It really feels like sitting on the skateboard rather than IN the car (id4). The lane keeping mode in ionic is only available on high way roads, while the one in id4 is available on a-roads as well. ionic 5 is softer, more comfy, than the id4 which is firmer. the id4 have an upcoming software update this spring which adds a way better route planner and travel assist (inkl overtaking by just using the turn stalk). Styling wise, I agree, the id4 is the happier and the insides are more pleasing. But the ionic 5 external design is the best there is!
Very good review of what I perceive as 2 very good cars. Believe I would go for the Hyundai. Together with Munro you are one of just a few US RUclipsrs making sense.
@@torocars9227 They advertise it for what it can do - output for a power tool etc... One good use would be charge a home backup battery so you can keep the home fires burning. The real advantage will come, as Hyundai develops their V2H system with home inverter etc..
I'd just peg it down to big hatch vs crossover/wagon. The Ioniq 5 is a masterpiece of design but the lower ground clearance and lack of roof rails out of the box sort of limit it's usefulness as a crossover/ute type of vehicle, it really is more car design and functionality. I'm in the market for sort of a softroader/work vehicle and I think the ID.4 fits the bill a lot more, but damn if I'm not tempted to get an Ioniq 5 just because it's such a blisteringly cool car.
This comparison brings up some issues that Volkswagen faced when designing the ID.4 for both sale, and manufacture, around the world. Every car is a set of compromises to meet a price point. But the ID.4 is further complicated by local laws in the countries where it will be manufactured. That makes for a fascinating list of features the should be standard, but end up as options. Hyundai seems to have a lower "cost to manufacture" versus shipping. Therefore, I recommend, "Out of Spec Reviews", as a guide to all my car shopping friends and family - the power of information!
Thanks for your great review. I'm looking forward to your future review of the AWD ID.4 "power meter" and how quickly it gets to 60MPG if charged to 100%, 90%, 80% etc.
Ioniq 5 is cheap in quality compared to the ID4. Interior, fit and finish. Sit in both and you can tell the difference. I also noticed the lag in acceleration on the ioniq 5 from a stop. There is a delay. The whole concierge reservation system is unprofessional and lacking. With Volkswagen, you get the vehicle assigned to you from the factory and see the progress throughout the wait period. My ioniq 5 took 6 mo ths and when it arrived, the dealership sold it to someone that walked in off the street before telling me it arrived. Hyundai and the concierge didn't give a crap and did nothing about it. Also, the Hyundai dealerships charge whatever the hell they want, even to reservation holders. VW gives reservation holders the vehicle at msrp.
If you want an Ioniq at sticker price come to Canada. You will also get a great exchange rate. We don’t tolerate dealer mark ups so it’s rare a dealer will go over MSRP.
For me, I wouldn't own a Hyundai. EV or not. Have owned several VW's and all have been flawless. Picked up our 2023 ID 4 PRO S AWD yesterday 7/25/23. $12,500 off this vehicle on a 3 year lease. $7,500 EV Credit and $5,000 dealer discount. So very affordable. Has the newest software I have heard about, 3.5.0. Isn't "Buggy" actually works flawless. It's not laggy at all. So there ya go.
On England the sticker price is the price, if a dealer should try and up the price he would get battered, I ordered my Id4 52 kw for £31000 and hopefully will get the car in April.
I’m currently awaiting my preordered VW ID.4 Pro S AWD w/ gradient package. I also had the Ioniq5 Limited pre-ordered. However, Hyundai’s preorder system is utterly flawed. The car that I ordered is not guaranteed to arrive for me specifically, nor does it mean that I get first dibs on a car that comes into the dealership with the exact parameters that I ordered. Instead, I’m pressured to come into the dealership to already sign sales paperwork on a vehicle that I haven’t seen yet, nor test driven. I’m being told that if a car with my preferred parameters comes in and I’d like to test drive it, that’s ok… however, if somebody else comes in in the meantime to buy the vehicle on paper before I make it to the dealership, I’m no longer allowed to test drive the vehicle. I’m in the Colorado Springs area and the dealership here also gave me a heads up that they’re adding $12,000 to my MSRP! I love the Ioniq5 and I would love to own one. But I can’t justify that pricing! Nor the pressure to buy before seeing/driving the car! Also, Hyundai offers 2 years of free charging and VW offers 3 years of free charging. So there’s that. So, I asked for a refund of my pre-order fee from Hyundai and I’m settling for the ID.4 that is currently on a ship somewhere… the VIN# reserved in my name and nobody else. And that is A-ok with me. The ID.4 will be a great option to be my first EV and maybe down the future sometime I’ll get my hands on another well developed EV. Fact is that there is no perfect EV. There is no perfect car. All models have their quirks and flaws, whether it’s an EV or an ICE. I’m not going to lie though… Hyundai has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I’ll check out the KIA EV6 or the Nissan Arya who knows. Thanks for this review, Kyle. I’ve been waiting for this one. But Hyundai ruined my buying experience and I’m quite disappointed. Plus, I’m now hesitant to buy an Ioniq5 after seeing quite a number of European owners having major issues with their vehicles’ heating system and other things. So… for now, I’m happily awaiting “MY” ID.4. 💗
The dealership system in the US is messed up. It should be just a showroom and for test driving the car. Everything else should be handled online like Tesla. At lease for VW, the price is locked when you factory order the car.
My daily commute to work is 65 miles one way and I drive on average 140 miles a day 5 times a week. With that said, I cruise around 70MPH most of my commute. I have a Model Y ordered, but I do like what Hyundai/Kia is offering with the Ioniq 5 and EV6. I just don't have enough input and hope that you can guide me to the right platform. I did own a 2021 Model Y, but I was just not ready for a EV then. Now I think it is time.
Things I want to know: leasing options, leasing deals, infotainment options (for example, ID.4 no firmware updates! Terrible multi smartphone integration), back seat ride comfort (not just sitting still), how well it works on fast chargers (handshake, errors, etc), day to day ‘liveability’, and just give your overall which one you’d own or lease if you had to choose. Thanks Kyle!
Given the scarcity of new cars, it seems like there is no such thing as 'lease deals', in actuality. That is, Hyundai, for example, had great lease offers in the U.S. for the Ionic PHEV and Ionic EV. BUT, for weeks I called over ten dealers within hundreds of miles and there were no vehicles to be sold. AND, several of the dealerships told me that if they did get any, they wouldn't be participating in the Hyundai National lease offers. (They didn't say the words, but if they did that sentence would have ended with 'Because we can make too much money selling them right now''.) Given that I've seen big markups on the most common of cars (Accords, Civics, etc.), I can't imagine that there are 'deals' of any type right now. But especially not on a super high-demand vehicle like the Ionic 5. It stinks, but it's also why I got probably $6k more for my 3yr old Tesla than I would have in 'normal' times.
Our purchasing choice for 2022 is going to be between the Ionic5 and the Ariya. Sure hope that we have a chance to drive the Ariya before an ionic five limited is offered to us with no mark ups or add-ons
An American car tester, however, was negative for ID4 and it was, among other things, that it was problematic to charge the car from Volkswagen's own charging network. And that the trip computer didn't actually show those chargers either. Instead, the trip computer showed slow chargers
For anyone considering which to pick in 2022/2023, the 2023 ID4 model with the new software gets rid of the software issues that many had in the older versions.
As far as I know, the Hyundai/Kia doesn't have LED matrix lights. My ID4 (in Europe) does, and I understand the higher end US cars are also equipped with them, but it's turned off via software, although they have recently changed the rules to allow them so should be enabled soon I think. Once you drive at night with them, it's a big deal. You put full beams on, and the car dips lights in areas with streetlights, but on open road without it selectively blacks out and steers the light around other cars. As well as being very cool to watch, it makes driving at night so much easier.
Cool watching your channel. I just moved away from Fort Collins. Watching these videos make me miss it. I’m guessing you guys live or do business out of FOCO
To my knowledge Ioniq 5 can only receive OTA updates to the infotainment system. Not the rest of the modules in the car. I don’t know if Hyundai has said if that’s enough to add things like battery preconditioning, but I definitely would not count on OTA changes to the thermal management or charging curve. Would love to see more coverage of the 20” vs 19” ioniq 5 tire range effect!
I sure think I've read that one of the changes coming to the 2023 Ionic 5 is that it will be able to get OTA for issues beyond Infotainment. I'd be tempted to hold-off till Model Year 2023 if that get officially confirmed.
@@amigajoe I’ve not read that, and I don’t get the sense that Hyundai and Kia are particularly committed to this whole OTA thing. But I hope you’re right. If you are, I’ll consider selling my 2022 and buying a 2023
These reviews are great fun and informative but leave me somewhat frustrated. I live in Vermont and I ordered an ID.4 AWD Pro S in November of 2020. I have just learned that I will get the car by the end of this month, February, 2022. Shipping cars to New England is clearly a low priority for most manufacturers. There are no cars “on the lot” anywhere that I have looked. Adding to that I am 6’8” tall and really need to test if I am comfortable fitting in a car first, life is really hard. But, I live in a state as beautiful as can be, so I won’t complain too much.
One big question I'd wonder about. Ice!! What would happen with a glaze of ice on the doors. How would you get in?? Cannot wait to see the massive review with all the cars
They are two great cars. We looked at both and decided to go with the Ioniq 5 for two reasons. First, the lack of one pedal driving was huge for me. I got to like it a lot in our Bolt and would really miss it. Second, the local VW dealer did not allow test drives in the ID4s. You could sit in them, but not start or dive them. Never heard of that before.
Yeah, I’ve been trying to get a test drive in an XC40 recharge, but there a none in my local area, on a road trip found one at dealership, but they wouldn’t allow a test drive. So disappointing.
That is the weirdest thing ever :) I would never buy a car I couldn't drive. The same happened to me with the Opel Mokka electric and I walked out. I have driven the Ioniq, EV6 and ID4 and Mustang. My summary of these cars is that the ID4 was the most practical, the Ioniq most cool, and the Mustang the most fun, and EV6 all around good in these areas. I am married with two kids so it was the ID4 in the end.
The drunk is important to me. I also frequently drive on a freeway where windstorms are common. Putting as much of the battery/motor on the bottom as possible increases stability.
I found it much easier to find a ID4 at sticker than a Hyundai or Kia, in fact it's was difficult to find ANY dealer at $5k over, most were $8-10k over, add in the $3.5k price difference and were talking an extra $10 grand or $150 a month on a lease, so for $150 a month, they SHOULD be way better cars, the real question is are they worth $150 per month more.
Hello. I have put in my reservation on the ID4. Maybe you could get VW to come on your channel and explain and help update their reservation portal with better updates and status. Their site is horrible. We should be able to see where we stand on the reservation time line. I almost cancelled and bought a model 3. Thank you for all the great videos.
Kyle I know it's very subjective, but please consider the sound system!!! One of the biggest reasons I wrote off the ID.4 for my Tesla was because of the quite frankly horrible sound system. Which is unfortunate because I had the Fender system in my VW GTI at the time and loved that one. The ID.4's system sounded even worse than the base system the VW Golfs got. I tried out the Bose in the Ioniq 5, and it was pretty decent! Reminded me a lot of the Fender system I had in my GTI albeit a bit more bass heavy than the Fender was.
What’s also a buying decisions not mentioned (or I overheard it): the Hyundai has V2L! Meaning it is able to give off power to external things like devices, cars or even your house! We actually charged a Renault Zoe (just for fun) via the Ioniq. But imagine going camping with the ioniq with it’s included solar panel then plugging in your electric camping equipment. It’s 16Amps power with the adapter, a solar roof, and up to 77kw battery. That’s worth a lot for trips or even a an emergency battery in your house.
@@hammick yes. You could get a glas roof or a solar roof, which produces energy when driving of just parked. Crazy good idea. While it’s wont do wonders. It may be enough to charge your car via the sun if you only drive a few miles a day
If you drive the Ioniq 5 in the colder climates and if that door handle freezes over with ice...good luck getting it open. ID 4 door handle for the win.
I ordered an Ioniq 5 for my wife and a Tesla Model 3 Performance for myself. Both cars have not been delivered yet, but I am very excited.🎉🎉🎉 As everyone knows, Hyundai is not the best as an internal combustion vehicle maker. However, it has made tremendous progress over the decades. Hyundai as a maker of EV vehicles can be said to have reached the highest level.
2022 VW does dropped to 30 minutes sessions like ioniq 5, just one more year. However, you CANNOT just unplug and plug back in. EA set a 60 minutes "cool down time" after each 30 minutes session. So you have to pay after 30 minutes. And I don't know how they would handle if someone met a charger issue, which seems way too common
Two of my favorite EVs in this segment. What a hard choice! No wonder so many of you ask me about which to buy 🚙💨
The ID.4 I test drove last year felt really underpowered compared to the weight of the car. That was the RWD version with 0-62 in 8.5 seconds. It's also got a bit more of a fossil car feel to it, I think VW are aiming to make it a smooth transition from something like a Tiguan. Pretty good choice for the suburbs or even as the single family car (depending on the charging infrastructure).
The Ioniq 5 RWD I ended up buying feels a lot more powerful, even though 0-62 is only a bit faster at 7.4 seconds. In terms of cargo space, the Ioniq 5 is surprisingly large, especially when you slide the rear seats forward. And in the EU RWD the frunk is bigger and actually useful. However, if you need the legroom in the Ioniq 5 and don't slide the seats forward, the ID.4 definitely has a bigger and more useful boot.
What clinched it for me is the faster charging, as I do a lot of mileage per year, including long day trips. having the shorter charging sessions means not having to hang around waiting for the car to charge. It's done charging in the time it takes us to go to the loo, have a coffee and stretch out for a couple of minutes. No time loss compared to the regular breaks we did with a fossil car.
There are a couple of things I don't like that much in the Ioniq 5 however:
- poor aerodynamics which really impacts motorway range,
- only getting the 72.6 kWh battery in Europe (compared to the 77.4 kWh battery you're getting in the USA),
- no OTA updates for the drive systems (OTA will only be enabled for Infotainment and Navigation)
- the placement of the Bose subwoofer in the underfloor compartment is frankly moronic,
- there's some interior rattling that still needs to be fixed,
- the fact that you have to use the USB port under the dash for Android Auto (not the one in the console. Although supposedly wireless Android Auto should be enabled by an update),
- no automated trip planning with charging stops (although might come with an update),
- slower charging in cold conditions (update has been promised by Hyundai to preheat the battery).
Overall pretty happy, and also happy to report that there have already been some updates to the Infotainment and Navigation (although not yet OTA). Biggest disappointment is the fact that they cancelled the automatic pop-out door handles in the Netherlands (and some other countries as well). These manual door handles are very hard to use in the dark; they're the same colour as the door and there's no welcome light shining on them. Anyway, I'm getting some refund for that omission.
@@bilgyno1 I have booked an AWD ID.4. Hopefully the AWD will help with the underpower issue of RWD. Ioniq 5 seems interesting, but I am not a big fan of the hatchback cars and the interior design such as big bezel screens and circular shape handle. I do like the rear vents location and fast charging. I just prefer a SUV style of ID.4. I don't go on road trips much, and I can charge at home, so I think I can get by with ID.4.
@@acefr8816 yes, if you can charge at home, work or on the street nearby the ID.4 is a very good choice too IMO. It's just great that we finally have more choice
@@bilgyno1 Slow, not underpowered. No problems keeping the pace up a steep hill at any speeds.
I can’t wait for you to test the Texas Model Y with 4680 and the new AMD cpu and whatever else it’s hiding.
I’m a VW guy but bought the Ioniq 5. I’m a road tripper so the crazy fast 800 volt charging was a game changer. 10 to 80% in 18 minutes. I have seen 233kw! The car is so smooth and quiet and I love the roomy comfy interior.
How much price you paid for IONIQ5? In Seattle dealers are asking for 10k above asking price which is way too much for me.
@@haroonmansi it's a sellers market. if you want it you will pay for it.
I bought last week Ioniq 5 limited so nice car ,, paid ,,$60K In NJ
@@jinlee2155 60k before tax credit? If so around 54k is great price for that vehicle. I would love to get one at that price :)
@@haroonmansi nj ev car no tax and fed tax credit $7500
I really enjoy my ID.4, but I want an Ioniq 5.
I put 15,000 miles on my ID4. Sold it and bought Ioniq 5. It does everything the ID does but slightly better. I don’t miss the ID at this point.
im dead lol
Did you get to keep your 3 years free charging?
@@mavcruise no. Best I could tell, it was tied to the VIN of the VW.
Hey Forrest, I am buying an Ionic 5 today. I had an ID4 for 3 months and got hit back in December. After two months they finally decided to total it. What do you find are the big plusses of the i5 over the ID4 for you?
@@michaeljflagg In no real order…charging speed, infotainment (minus for not being wireless, but I use an adapter), driver aides are smoother, brakes don’t make noise, one pedal driving that’s very customizable, driver aides that remain off when I turn them off. I did go from RWD ID4 to AWD I5 so power is awesome, but not apples to apples. It’s not that the ID was terrible, it just small things added up to being unhappy with it. 1,000 miles in with I5, very pleased.
I'm from Canada and I just ordered an Ionic 5 Long Range with the Ultimate package. I did a test drive and I just fell in love. I'm a big fan of Tesla and I was hopping for the come back of the Model Y Standard Range. Apparently not this year. But who cares! The Ionic 5 is even better at many aspects. Thanks for the nice review. It confirmed my choice ;-)
Tested both, bought an Ioniq 5, having had it a week, no regrets, its better in every way
Haven't driven, or even seen, either car but from reviews and on paper I feel I'd go Ioniq 5 just for a bit more potential future proofing. I also think it's the best styled car I've seen in a couple decades.
After 4 VWs in a row I ordered an ID4 and got the phone call from my dealer that it had arrived. So excited. Went with checkbook in hand and did my test drive and instead of taking it home, I waited 7 more months and got an EV6 instead. I didn't like the ID4's gradual power delivery. Seemed frustratingly limited by software. Also couldn't stomach the ergonomics for climate control and on steering wheel. The EV6 I'm extremely happy with. I am addicted to the comfort and instant passing ability.
Two great EVs! After watching all these videos for so long and finally getting my AWD ID.4 (after a year on the reservation list), I've got to say that Out of Spec's videos have been the most bang-on and useful. I juxtaposed those reviews against what I had decided was and was not important to me. Its been bang on. I've been so happy playing around with this vehicle!
The modern relevancy of your comments make me feel a bit old. Even though I'm a total tech nerd (programmer and digital circuit design my whole life). Sure, I've driven Tesla's and newer Audi's (my brother is big car nerd), but for my personal ownership I'm basically coming from a 22 year old gasoline A6 2.7T. Not a meek car by any means, but a lot has changed over the last 22 years!
I loved your comment about USB-A. I still use USB-A (!)(!). Only two of our devices are USB-C (a newer mac and newer ipad). All of our lightning and micro-usb cords are USB-A, so I had to buy a few adapters for the ID.4's USB-C ports. It took me about a week to get used to the extreme level of integration too. On the ID.4 with wireless car-play and proximity key sensing I don't have to take anything out of my pockets or fiddle. Not my phone, not my keys, nothing. I just walk up to the car, open the door, get in, and go. The ID.4 is ready to drive in literally 2 seconds. By the time I get to the stop sign at the end of the street, its GUI is fully operational and car-play has connected and is showing the map. All without me having to fiddle with anything.
But then we get into other things that I don't care about so much. I like to drive... lane keeping is something I might use occasionally but frankly it isn't as smooth as manual driving for my passengers. I was initially unimpressed with the radar following cruise control, but eventually found a decent setting using custom mode.
I love comfort mode for the accelerator peddle but use sport mode for everything else. For sure. The seats are to die for... they're really nice on the trim level I got (since I wanted the King's Red, I pretty much went all-out on the AWD trim and I don't regret it at all). The biggest surprise I had was that ... I wound up really not caring about the slowness of the UI and infotainment system. I barely need to touch it since everything I care about runs from my iphone. That was probably my biggest worry going in because so many RUclips channels remarked on it. But its been a total non-issue for me (the car came with 2.1. I am eagerly, but not rabidly, awaiting OTA updates).
Coming from a gasoline car.. or more specifically, a manual gasoline sportscar, figuring out the D mode, B mode, and braking action was probably my second worry. It isn't perfect by any means, but I think criticisms were also overstated on various RUclips channels. To be honest, I far prefer D mode over B mode. I think I would like B mode better if there were a little more play in the peddle for coasting but it flips into regen too quickly as you lift your foot off and is not nearly as smooth for passengers as D mode where you coast. I don't mind hitting the brakes for regen. When I intend to regen a very long time I either let the cruise control handle it or I flip it into B mode. But for most everyday driving D mode is both more comfortable and appears to be more efficient too (when one can judge when coasting works, its going to be more efficient than cycling the electric motor).
I would like VW to work on regen-v-physical-brakes mixing. The brake peddle is tuned fairly well but it could be better. If there were anything on my wish list at all it would be to have a manual traction control where I could tell the car which wheels to drive (have the car just clamp the brakes down on the wheels that I don't want to turn). True 4WD is not something I want in a vehicle like this, but having fine control in 'stuck' situations would be a nice thing to have.
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For me the IONIQ 5 was intriguing, but a bit too new and untested. Kinda like the Mach-E. I wound up trusting VW's ability and promises more than I did Hyundai or Ford (I have a particular distrust of Ford, to be honest). I also like the lines of the ID.4 far better. Its a beautiful vehicle that really shows in the King's Red that I got. As an electrical engineer I knew for absolute certain that the IONIQ's 800V architecture would maintain power to the motors better and be able to charge faster, but those are mostly non-issues for me these days. The IONIQ is definitely a more geeky car and if I were 20 years younger I'd probably have chosen it instead. But my days of going 154 mph are long over (and I survived so.... feather). Kinda like when I was a slalom skier in my 20's and switched to snowboarding in my 30's because I was just having to go too fast on skis to have fun, whereas on the snowboard one can have fun going just about any speed (and ripping it down a freshly groomed slope, or on fresh powder, is actually more exciting on a snowboard than on skis). Same with cars, it seems. Fancy that!
Keep up the videos!
-Matt
Amazing comment.
Love your detailed experience review. Thank You 😊
Thanks for that comment ❤️
Kyle, I'm currently waiting for my I.D. 4 Pro S. I locked my order about three weeks ago. The waiting time is about 3 to 4 months! Below, there is part of an email I have received from VW:
•ID.4 Pro starting MSRP of $40,760
•Expected improvements to the range and DC fast charging speed compared to MY21
•Latest software with benefits such as Auto Hold and Over-the-Air software update capability.
•3 years of included 30-minute charging sessions at Electrify America DC Fast Charging Stations at no additional cost.
So, It should have an Auto Hold function!
Same thing, locked in a pro gradient awd a few weeks ago after ordering in late October. Same email. But delivery is mid year. Which now makes me want to go scout the Hyundai dealer here.
Can’t wait for the BIG test! You’ll probably be the first reviewers to do a mega test with loads of EVs together. I think Carwow has come closest so far, but it was really only a range test. I reckon I already know the winner…something with a 6 in the name.
I am on the list for Ioniq 5 Limited. I am 5'11" and Ioniq 5 is the only car that doesn't bother my knees hitting or rubbing against the center console. It is so much more comfortable on all driving conditions.
You're an amazing guy.
Very honest reviews. Very...Very honest.
Simply...one of the best on RUclips
The Hyundai is more premium, better charging technology and better warranty. As a someone who drives from north to Florida regularly, the winner is clearly the Ioniq.
Except for a year LESS of free charging !
Hyundai and premium?!? lmao ok
@Kumar This is a very ignorant comment. I drive a 3 series. My Santafe is a lot better and definitely more premium. My Hyundai has genuine nappa leather, the BMW has artificial leather.
@@Kumar-bg6nr you must be 80 years old man???
Plastic koreean now is premium? Hahaha. I drove kona, man what a cheap car, felt cheaper than Dacia lol.
The ID.4, Ionic 5, and EV6 are all on my list to look at used in maybe 3 years. We'll see what else pops up between now and then, but I would love either one of these. Nice video, I appreciate hearing the honest opinions.
Three years is a great timeframe to buy a used EV, assuming used car prices are back to their pre-covid levels. (Sure seems like they should be by that time, right ?!?
Horrible Idea buying used. You don’t get incentives or federal rebates
@@notyetperfect6769 All depends on the price, obviously.
In this current market, it is not ideal.
@@notyetperfect6769 Those are good points, we'll see what pricing looks like at the time. Buying new isn't always in the budget.
Have an id4 awd pro gradient on order due in mid 2022. Had sat in the Hyundai last fall at an EV show here in Denver. Liked it but not being sold so we ordered the VW. Watched your reviews and comparisons today. Still think I like the VW but will be checking in with the Hyundai dealer later this week. Thanks. Really like your reviews. So much fun. And happiness.
I discovered the power of Hyundai engineering when I worked for them a while back. Korean engineering is outstanding. With Hyundai's signature of exploring the future of mobility, they will contribute fairly in shaping the world transition to EVs and beyond.
It it was a while back.... Then they were rubbish. They only got their act together with this ONE EV.
As someone who lives in Arizona, I can only buy the Ioniq 5 Limited, very specifically for the air vents to the back row that are in a good location.
Auto-hold braking at intersections + 1 pedal driving are major advantages of the Ioniq5/EV6 (especially in busy cities)!
The next OTA update for the ID.4 will enable auto hold
@@DeniJasmina that's great news! Auto-hold in the ID.4-- now we just need to see the reveal of the ID Buzz! (Hopefully vw will have vehicle to load feature)
@@R56Cooper Funny that the ID.4 doesn't have auto hold, given that it is on the e-Golf.
And Just for your correction on the Ioniq5 HTrac configuration, Even when in ECO MODE, THE AWD IS ALWAYS ACTIVE full time from a start, until 15MPH is reached. THEN disconnects, hence expected range drop. This is clearly shown on the main speedometer screen with the 4 wheel power distribution regen graph.
The basic idea of the rear drum brakes in MEB cars is not low cost as much as it is rust prevention. The brakes, expecially rear brakes are used so much less in an EV than an ICE car because of regenning that at least in some climates the disk brakes tend to get rusty. Living in a country with such a climate I would also miss a rear screen wiper in the Ionic 5. But both are great cars, although I'd go for the EV6 rather than the Ionic 5 simply because of the styling.
Yeah, VW says they are lifetime brakes on the rear. Whether that winds up the case is obviously unknown.
They should just delete the rear brakes like formula e is about to do with the new gen 3 car. Then move the front brakes to inboard designs.
After 3 winters of horrible squeaky surface-rusted disc brakes on my Kona, I'm good and ready for some drums. It sounds like a 20 year old Pontiac when I'm in parking lots. During winter months, every morning I need to shift into neutral while driving at 50 km/h and slam the brakes just to get the squeaky surface rust and grit off the rotors.
The lack of a rear wiper on the Ioniq 5 is a major drawback in comparison with the Id.4. To my way of thinking, it is a safety issue. Authorities don't allow cars without rearview mirrors. Why should they allow them with rear windows made opaque by poorly engineered designs?
Just got my ID4 after binge watching your ev videos for a few months. And I absolutely love it!!! The ONLY thing I don’t like about it is the sun visors lol 😂 otherwise, love it
As for the roof racks: in Europe there are already some options to put roof racks on the Ioniq 5. The roof is rated to carry up to 80 kg / 175 lbs load while driving.
I will say that I am a bit bummed out by the roof rack situation with the Hyundai. For a family road trip we would need to put a box on it with some cargo up there. I suspect that would exceed 175 pounds very easily. Sounds like the European solution you mention is more for bicycles and stuff like that
@@amigajoe actually, most roof boxes here are rated for 75 Kg, and the roofs normally can carry 100 Kg. So, the I5 is rated for a bit less, but it's easy to just put lighter items in the box, and stay within the rated capacity. This is the load while driving, and when stationary it should be possible to mount a roof tent (but obviously no company rates their roofs for that use).
I originally reserved both ID.4 and Ioniq 5, the Hyundai dealer want to add $5k markup, hate it, now I am happily driving my ID.4 around, really no complain
Great comparison. I’m a hatchback guy at heart so I’d lean ioniq 5. Love the styling!
I just placed order for ID.4 AWD Pro because of good price, SUV ride, free charge, tax credit rebate,higher ground clearance, and good on snow.
Thanks for this vid. This made me have a better understanding of the Ioniq 5 and would prefer it over the ID4. Love that non-metallic gray on the Ioniq 5.
I’ve been living with the ID.4 for about 3 months now, and while I appreciate many things about it (interior space, the unlimited free EA charging for 2021 models, the versatility and ride height), the IONIQ5 is clearly a superior product by almost all measures. I know it’s a sore subject at this point, but the ID.4 infotainment is borderline unusable. It has been desperately in need of a software update for almost a year now.
Anecdotal, but my particular ID.4 has spent almost two entire weeks at the dealer (and is currently there now), fixing random rattles and creaks; build quality issues that historically haven’t plagued Korean products as much as VW.
@@kronosaurelius yeah, I’ve had a few odd dash errors over the past few months, but none seemed to persist. The strangest one had to do with the directional headlights being disabled.
The brake noise was kind of to be expected given the rear drums, so no issue there. The less tolerable noises were the sounds coming from the expanding/contracting of the tail light panel (which comes almost completely unseated on cold days), pano moonroof issues, etc.
The 2021 infotainment system sucks. I think it is limited by the poor processor and software. Software may help a little, and I hope it will make it more usable.
I'm 15,000 miles in on my ID.4 that I bought in June. Not one issue yet. I think you got the one assembled right after lunch on a Friday.
I test drove an id4 for the first time recently, and an ionic 5 the same day. I prefer the higher ride height of the ID four, but the info ment system is just a dealbreaker for me, which I think is amplified by the fact that I’ve driven a Model3 for the last three years. It really felt like an infotainment system pulled out of a four year old car. Some software improvements could happen, but I strongly suspect that it just doesn’t have much processing power in there, and thus the lag etc.
I love the infotainmentsystem in the ID3/4
Amazing easy to use.
I drove an ID.4 when I was cross-shopping, and though it's a fine car, I found it a tad slow and I wasn't crazy about the infotainment design and about VW's approach to managing regen. I eventually bought a car before the IONIQ went on sale but it is a very intriguing car indeed along with its KIA sibling.
i was waiting for this. Thanks Kyle!. I have an ID4 AWD on order. Ioniq 5 is really tempting.
Have a reservation for the id4 but chose it over the ioniq 5 for a couple reasons and one big one being the glass roof!
ID.4 in B-mode has adequate one-pedal driving - a bit on the weaker side but well balanced and easy to adopt to. In Europe you can couple it with the adaptive regen also, so that it will regen for cars, roundabouts etc in addition to lift of regen. In D mode it will coast but use regen on the brake pedal until a certain threshold where mechanical brakes is used.
Great video 7 months with my ID4 still loving it.
I live on a lake and have a 17’ motorboat to put in and take out of the water. The ID4 can trailer about 2000 lbs. It’s plenty fast for legal driving and I can put a roof rack on for skis and bikes. I’d enjoy the auto hold which I had on my BMW X3, but that’s not a deal breaker. Love the free charging on EA and can use Tesla destination chargers for free at lots of locations. ( I can drive 90 miles to a ski area, hook up while skiing, and it’s like free petrol!)
Areas I'm interested in during car comparison you mentioned at beginning of video...
After Tesla V11 and Kia EV6 having to choose between controls for media or HVAC in center controls, I'm interested how easy and how well displayed are normal functions. Fan temp/speed, media volume, defroster, heated seats, viewing wh/mi efficiency, trip odometer while driving.
How easily accessible and well presented are these necessary common functions.
Also, which cars have heat pumps and well thought out battery temperature management.
IIRC on the Ioniq 5 only the AWD has a heat pump. What's more important IMO is who still keeps using PTC with a heat pump. The leaf got that right - Bjorn says it uses the PTC until the heat pump is ramped up.
Picked up my ID4 about 6 weeks ago - very happy with it. More ground clearance, AWD, and looks were my major decision points. Some of us prefer the more traditional look of the ID4. As for charge speed - normal daily charging from home makes this irrelevant - on road trips, by the time I take my nature break and get back to the car it is charged so really not a factor.
Me owning an enyaq iV 60 will always go for the ID 4 as it offers more of what I need for my family: space, comfort, seating position, security features, Dior handles, rear window whiper...
Although I very much like the looks of the Ioniq 5 I would only use the superb charging speed 1-2 a year.
But as always: very individuel choices to be made. I do not think that the one is better than the other. It depends.
Greetings from Germany.
Thorough and very deep dive in both cars. Insightful explanations. Quality content. Great added value to my benchmark. Thanks
These are the two I was down to. However the MAP pricing on the Ioniq pushed me into the ID4. Total price gap is currently about $10k all in. You can easily get the top of the line ID4 for less than the mid tier Ioniq.
This! This is why I went ID4. Plus, not super into the 80’s esq spacey design of the exterior of the ioniq
Can’t wait till you get an R1T to test more in depth! I’m all here for the “nerdy ev vibes” and am curious of what you think after you run your tests outside of a First Mile event
Bought VW id 4 pro S with 82kwh battery in December. Was able to get it for under 46k
Pretty happy with it so far. Getting true mileage of about 180 miles for 80% charge.
Like the one pedal drive and auto brake feature. Interactive system not as good as other car makers but not horrible. Fairly roomy interior. Great car for in town driving. Not sure it would be great for anything further than 150 miles.
Free charging for 3 years is unlimited but only available in 30 minute increments.
This was deal breaker for me. No more gas for me.
Just got a 2023 id.4 pro s comming from 2020 TLX A-Spec I love the suv feel of the ID.4 daughter just turned 1 I needed a bigger car that was high of the ground to access baby car seat easily where ionic 5 I felt was a little too small from the inside rear room space
You can put a Thule roof rack and roof box on the ioniq. They have a kit available.
Love your enthusiasstic and comprehensive reviews. I'd sure like to see a ID4 VS Audi Q4 Etron comparison.
I have the 2023 Hyundai ionic 3 dual motor and yes it’s definitely quick on acceleration which I drive mostly in normal mode my myself.
It’s a very heavy car if you ever put it on a scale but it’s quick😁👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
You’ll definitely need a good radar detector to prevent getting pulled over because again it is quick
That ID.4 is such a nobrainer, love it! The ID.OS3 cuts charging time 5-80% to 29mins for RWD and 34 mins for AWD
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I like your reviews. You tend not to "follow the crowd" as much as a lot of RUclipsrs.
I've got an ioniq 5 and have two id.4's on order, so I'd love to see what my impressions are after driving both over time. I also have a Polestar 2, which blows away both of these cars as far as fun factor(and infotainment) goes.
Things I will be looking forward to with the I'd.4 is the rear wiper, wireless carplay and factory trailer hitch. I find it odd that most reviewers tend to leave those advantages of the VW out.
From the spec, they both are great. I just can't get into my head that either a Hyundai or Kia is even the price. wise worth the cost. I am in line for an ID.4. And the charging curve for me is very good for the ID.4. Coming from a Bolt.
I am very happy that I got my Mach E one year ago before the ADM frenzy. There's no way that I would hand any dealer $5000 or anything over MSRP.
Smart dealers gladly taking money from the dumb and wasteful market participants.
Thanks for this video, i was waiting for this head to head comparison because i also have a love for both cars!
Ioniq is the superior of the two, the EV6 is also an amazing-looking car.
you crazy?
@@tk6729 no, VW always have issues
IONIQ 5 is what I’d pick. ID.4 is great, but the 800v system, the sick styling, and the spacious interior are phenomenal, and it’s just an overall fantastic package. It’s the best attempt from an automaker that isn’t Tesla at capturing that “iPhone of vehicles” vibe.
Sick styling? How do you think that 60s space ship will look in 2 years. "dated" comes to mind
My local Hyundai dealer in the Seattle burbs just got in a few of these 5s.
I was actually glad to see the upper spec model without glass roof.
Can't help but think of extra weight, noise intrusion and solar intrusion (despite what all the OEMs say).
Its got clamshell electric closing glass roof shades. I'm a sucker for something like that.
Will people STOP paying over MSRP!!!!!!!! That's just freaking DUMB!!!!!!!!!!
Lane changing is suppose to be coming in 2022 to the ID.x in an over the air update.
This is helpful! We have an ID.4 1st Edition that will be bought back by VW due to the lemon law. Debating whether to get an IONIQ 5 SEL or another ID.4. At the end of the day, it's largely about availability.
How lemony is it?
Jordan nailed the Out of Spec Podcast ad!
Leaning towards the ID4 at the moment as I see it as the most rounded and practical car and better value. Test drove one last week and also noted the lack of any way to put the parking brake on when stopped, then found what you mentioned: Europe has it. It looks like it's a software thing - will North American cars get an OTA for this and/or will newer models get it??
Definitely the best 'value' of the choices out there right now, especially if you figure-in the fact that with a little dealer-shopping and your reservation, id4's can apparently be had without dealer markups or add-ons in many cases. Also the best 'looking' EV, in my opinion. I just can't get past the infotainment system. Coming from three years in a Model 3, my expectations in that regard are really high.
Drumbrakes should be on all four wheels on EVs. Less maintenance and almost everyone is using the motors to brake anyways. Mechanical brakes are for emergency braking and drumbrakes are protected for the elements and dirt by the drums and therefor is a better choice for EVs that aint using the power og smootness of the discs anyways. Just more and expensive maintenance. EVs often has to have the caliper and disc rebuilds, because the are just there exposed to elementes without getting used.
Actually, you can put rails on the Ioniq 5. The mounts have plastic covers on them that can be removed (according to our salesman) and rails added. I haven't tried it because I currently don't have a need for them.There is also a trailer hitch for the Ioniq 5.
Ioniq 5 give you Taycan charging and super cool styling with 1/3 the price
I really like the details you get into. However, one area you can improve in, is to use a tall driver and discuss driver and rear seat passenger seating positions more in detail. I'm 6'4 and the driver position in the ionic 5 is like an old Italian car - i.e. you need to be a primate in order to drive it. The steering column can't be moved far enough back, while the seat can. The id4 have a much better driving position. Then after you've discussed that and showed the driver position with a 6'4" or taller person, then go back to the backset and show how much or little room there is in the backseat, both for the tall dude and the short one. And to that, add numbers in cm and inches to show the actual leg room. the same with the luggage - use measurements in cm/inches to let the viewers know the differences in length, depth, height, volume
regarding the two, the seating position is weird too in that you sit really high up in the ioniq with the dashboard low. It really feels like sitting on the skateboard rather than IN the car (id4). The lane keeping mode in ionic is only available on high way roads, while the one in id4 is available on a-roads as well. ionic 5 is softer, more comfy, than the id4 which is firmer. the id4 have an upcoming software update this spring which adds a way better route planner and travel assist (inkl overtaking by just using the turn stalk). Styling wise, I agree, the id4 is the happier and the insides are more pleasing. But the ionic 5 external design is the best there is!
Very good review of what I perceive as 2 very good cars. Believe I would go for the Hyundai. Together with Munro you are one of just a few US RUclipsrs making sense.
The Ionic also has vehicle to load charging so it can almost act like a small home generator in a pinch.
False advertisement. It may run a few lampshades…. Ford is doing the same false advertisement on their F150 lighting.
@@torocars9227 They advertise it for what it can do - output for a power tool etc... One good use would be charge a home backup battery so you can keep the home fires burning. The real advantage will come, as Hyundai develops their V2H system with home inverter etc..
@@torocars9227 It can run a microwave, portable grill, and rice cooker at the same time.
@@torocars9227 F150 lightning v2l is 19.2kW (about 480 lampshades)
I'd just peg it down to big hatch vs crossover/wagon. The Ioniq 5 is a masterpiece of design but the lower ground clearance and lack of roof rails out of the box sort of limit it's usefulness as a crossover/ute type of vehicle, it really is more car design and functionality. I'm in the market for sort of a softroader/work vehicle and I think the ID.4 fits the bill a lot more, but damn if I'm not tempted to get an Ioniq 5 just because it's such a blisteringly cool car.
This comparison brings up some issues that Volkswagen faced when designing the ID.4 for both sale, and manufacture, around the world. Every car is a set of compromises to meet a price point. But the ID.4 is further complicated by local laws in the countries where it will be manufactured. That makes for a fascinating list of features the should be standard, but end up as options. Hyundai seems to have a lower "cost to manufacture" versus shipping. Therefore, I recommend, "Out of Spec Reviews", as a guide to all my car shopping friends and family - the power of information!
Hyundai Ioniq5 shall be assembled in the US in a matter of days, they said. It seems it does not meet the demand by shipping from Korea.
Thanks for your great review. I'm looking forward to your future review of the AWD ID.4 "power meter" and how quickly it gets to 60MPG if charged to 100%, 90%, 80% etc.
Ioniq 5 is cheap in quality compared to the ID4. Interior, fit and finish. Sit in both and you can tell the difference. I also noticed the lag in acceleration on the ioniq 5 from a stop. There is a delay. The whole concierge reservation system is unprofessional and lacking. With Volkswagen, you get the vehicle assigned to you from the factory and see the progress throughout the wait period. My ioniq 5 took 6 mo ths and when it arrived, the dealership sold it to someone that walked in off the street before telling me it arrived. Hyundai and the concierge didn't give a crap and did nothing about it. Also, the Hyundai dealerships charge whatever the hell they want, even to reservation holders. VW gives reservation holders the vehicle at msrp.
Thank you for this as it’s info that’s needed out there!
Something to consider in comparisons is seat to ground height also in these CUV's
If you want an Ioniq at sticker price come to Canada. You will also get a great exchange rate. We don’t tolerate dealer mark ups so it’s rare a dealer will go over MSRP.
For me, I wouldn't own a Hyundai. EV or not. Have owned several VW's and all have been flawless. Picked up our 2023 ID 4 PRO S AWD yesterday 7/25/23. $12,500 off this vehicle on a 3 year lease. $7,500 EV Credit and $5,000 dealer discount. So very affordable. Has the newest software I have heard about, 3.5.0. Isn't "Buggy" actually works flawless. It's not laggy at all. So there ya go.
On England the sticker price is the price, if a dealer should try and up the price he would get battered, I ordered my Id4 52 kw for £31000 and hopefully will get the car in April.
I’m currently awaiting my preordered VW ID.4 Pro S AWD w/ gradient package. I also had the Ioniq5 Limited pre-ordered. However, Hyundai’s preorder system is utterly flawed. The car that I ordered is not guaranteed to arrive for me specifically, nor does it mean that I get first dibs on a car that comes into the dealership with the exact parameters that I ordered. Instead, I’m pressured to come into the dealership to already sign sales paperwork on a vehicle that I haven’t seen yet, nor test driven. I’m being told that if a car with my preferred parameters comes in and I’d like to test drive it, that’s ok… however, if somebody else comes in in the meantime to buy the vehicle on paper before I make it to the dealership, I’m no longer allowed to test drive the vehicle. I’m in the Colorado Springs area and the dealership here also gave me a heads up that they’re adding $12,000 to my MSRP!
I love the Ioniq5 and I would love to own one. But I can’t justify that pricing! Nor the pressure to buy before seeing/driving the car! Also, Hyundai offers 2 years of free charging and VW offers 3 years of free charging. So there’s that.
So, I asked for a refund of my pre-order fee from Hyundai and I’m settling for the ID.4 that is currently on a ship somewhere… the VIN# reserved in my name and nobody else. And that is A-ok with me. The ID.4 will be a great option to be my first EV and maybe down the future sometime I’ll get my hands on another well developed EV.
Fact is that there is no perfect EV. There is no perfect car. All models have their quirks and flaws, whether it’s an EV or an ICE.
I’m not going to lie though… Hyundai has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I’ll check out the KIA EV6 or the Nissan Arya who knows.
Thanks for this review, Kyle. I’ve been waiting for this one. But Hyundai ruined my buying experience and I’m quite disappointed. Plus, I’m now hesitant to buy an Ioniq5 after seeing quite a number of European owners having major issues with their vehicles’ heating system and other things.
So… for now, I’m happily awaiting “MY” ID.4. 💗
The dealership system in the US is messed up. It should be just a showroom and for test driving the car. Everything else should be handled online like Tesla. At lease for VW, the price is locked when you factory order the car.
@@acefr8816 yes! Thank God!!!
My daily commute to work is 65 miles one way and I drive on average 140 miles a day 5 times a week. With that said, I cruise around 70MPH most of my commute. I have a Model Y ordered, but I do like what Hyundai/Kia is offering with the Ioniq 5 and EV6. I just don't have enough input and hope that you can guide me to the right platform. I did own a 2021 Model Y, but I was just not ready for a EV then. Now I think it is time.
Things I want to know: leasing options, leasing deals, infotainment options (for example, ID.4 no firmware updates! Terrible multi smartphone integration), back seat ride comfort (not just sitting still), how well it works on fast chargers (handshake, errors, etc), day to day ‘liveability’, and just give your overall which one you’d own or lease if you had to choose. Thanks Kyle!
Given the scarcity of new cars, it seems like there is no such thing as 'lease deals', in actuality. That is, Hyundai, for example, had great lease offers in the U.S. for the Ionic PHEV and Ionic EV. BUT, for weeks I called over ten dealers within hundreds of miles and there were no vehicles to be sold. AND, several of the dealerships told me that if they did get any, they wouldn't be participating in the Hyundai National lease offers. (They didn't say the words, but if they did that sentence would have ended with 'Because we can make too much money selling them right now''.)
Given that I've seen big markups on the most common of cars (Accords, Civics, etc.), I can't imagine that there are 'deals' of any type right now. But especially not on a super high-demand vehicle like the Ionic 5.
It stinks, but it's also why I got probably $6k more for my 3yr old Tesla than I would have in 'normal' times.
Our purchasing choice for 2022 is going to be between the Ionic5 and the Ariya. Sure hope that we have a chance to drive the Ariya before an ionic five limited is offered to us with no mark ups or add-ons
An American car tester, however, was negative for ID4 and it was, among other things, that it was problematic to charge the car from Volkswagen's own charging network. And that the trip computer didn't actually show those chargers either. Instead, the trip computer showed slow chargers
For anyone considering which to pick in 2022/2023, the 2023 ID4 model with the new software gets rid of the software issues that many had in the older versions.
Both of them are come with software 3 now.
As far as I know, the Hyundai/Kia doesn't have LED matrix lights. My ID4 (in Europe) does, and I understand the higher end US cars are also equipped with them, but it's turned off via software, although they have recently changed the rules to allow them so should be enabled soon I think. Once you drive at night with them, it's a big deal. You put full beams on, and the car dips lights in areas with streetlights, but on open road without it selectively blacks out and steers the light around other cars. As well as being very cool to watch, it makes driving at night so much easier.
When you do the suv ev comparison -- please show the cargo floor with seats down and measurement. Thx for all the great reviews.
Constructive and insightful comparison with a
sprinkle of EV nerdism - great video !
Cool watching your channel. I just moved away from Fort Collins. Watching these videos make me miss it. I’m guessing you guys live or do business out of FOCO
To my knowledge Ioniq 5 can only receive OTA updates to the infotainment system. Not the rest of the modules in the car. I don’t know if Hyundai has said if that’s enough to add things like battery preconditioning, but I definitely would not count on OTA changes to the thermal management or charging curve.
Would love to see more coverage of the 20” vs 19” ioniq 5 tire range effect!
I sure think I've read that one of the changes coming to the 2023 Ionic 5 is that it will be able to get OTA for issues beyond Infotainment. I'd be tempted to hold-off till Model Year 2023 if that get officially confirmed.
@@amigajoe I’ve not read that, and I don’t get the sense that Hyundai and Kia are particularly committed to this whole OTA thing. But I hope you’re right. If you are, I’ll consider selling my 2022 and buying a 2023
These reviews are great fun and informative but leave me somewhat frustrated. I live in Vermont and I ordered an ID.4 AWD Pro S in November of 2020. I have just learned that I will get the car by the end of this month, February, 2022. Shipping cars to New England is clearly a low priority for most manufacturers. There are no cars “on the lot” anywhere that I have looked. Adding to that I am 6’8” tall and really need to test if I am comfortable fitting in a car first, life is really hard. But, I live in a state as beautiful as can be, so I won’t complain too much.
I love the Ioniq 5 now question. Big difference between both in price as well.
One big question I'd wonder about. Ice!! What would happen with a glaze of ice on the doors. How would you get in??
Cannot wait to see the massive review with all the cars
They are two great cars. We looked at both and decided to go with the Ioniq 5 for two reasons. First, the lack of one pedal driving was huge for me. I got to like it a lot in our Bolt and would really miss it. Second, the local VW dealer did not allow test drives in the ID4s. You could sit in them, but not start or dive them. Never heard of that before.
Yeah, I’ve been trying to get a test drive in an XC40 recharge, but there a none in my local area, on a road trip found one at dealership, but they wouldn’t allow a test drive. So disappointing.
That is the weirdest thing ever :) I would never buy a car I couldn't drive. The same happened to me with the Opel Mokka electric and I walked out. I have driven the Ioniq, EV6 and ID4 and Mustang. My summary of these cars is that the ID4 was the most practical, the Ioniq most cool, and the Mustang the most fun, and EV6 all around good in these areas. I am married with two kids so it was the ID4 in the end.
Man what dealer did you go too?! Ive test drove at the dealer probably 4 times already.
@@jcubs11 VW of Wesley Chapel, Florida.
@@alanpeterson6768 that’s where I went too in Wesley chapel they weren’t helpful at all
That pod on the roof of the ID.4 has got to cut range too...
The drunk is important to me. I also frequently drive on a freeway where windstorms are common. Putting as much of the battery/motor on the bottom as possible increases stability.
Stability is important, especially if you're drunk!
I found it much easier to find a ID4 at sticker than a Hyundai or Kia, in fact it's was difficult to find ANY dealer at $5k over, most were $8-10k over, add in the $3.5k price difference and were talking an extra $10 grand or $150 a month on a lease, so for $150 a month, they SHOULD be way better cars, the real question is are they worth $150 per month more.
Hello. I have put in my reservation on the ID4. Maybe you could get VW to come on your channel and explain and help update their reservation portal with better updates and status. Their site is horrible. We should be able to see where we stand on the reservation time line. I almost cancelled and bought a model 3. Thank you for all the great videos.
Kyle I know it's very subjective, but please consider the sound system!!!
One of the biggest reasons I wrote off the ID.4 for my Tesla was because of the quite frankly horrible sound system. Which is unfortunate because I had the Fender system in my VW GTI at the time and loved that one. The ID.4's system sounded even worse than the base system the VW Golfs got.
I tried out the Bose in the Ioniq 5, and it was pretty decent! Reminded me a lot of the Fender system I had in my GTI albeit a bit more bass heavy than the Fender was.
Just order ID4 but will also buy the Ioniq 5 in the future.
What’s also a buying decisions not mentioned (or I overheard it): the Hyundai has V2L! Meaning it is able to give off power to external things like devices, cars or even your house! We actually charged a Renault Zoe (just for fun) via the Ioniq. But imagine going camping with the ioniq with it’s included solar panel then plugging in your electric camping equipment. It’s 16Amps power with the adapter, a solar roof, and up to 77kw battery. That’s worth a lot for trips or even a an emergency battery in your house.
Solar roof?
@@hammick yes. You could get a glas roof or a solar roof, which produces energy when driving of just parked. Crazy good idea. While it’s wont do wonders. It may be enough to charge your car via the sun if you only drive a few miles a day
You forgot to mention that you can power external devices like a hedge trimmer or maybe an electric grill with the IONIQ 5
I have a reservation on a Ford Lightning. I hope there battery is as good as the Ionic 5. I believe it is the same battery maker.
If you drive the Ioniq 5 in the colder climates and if that door handle freezes over with ice...good luck getting it open. ID 4 door handle for the win.
I ordered an Ioniq 5 for my wife and a Tesla Model 3 Performance for myself. Both cars have not been delivered yet, but I am very excited.🎉🎉🎉
As everyone knows, Hyundai is not the best as an internal combustion vehicle maker. However, it has made tremendous progress over the decades. Hyundai as a maker of EV vehicles can be said to have reached the highest level.
Hey Kyle, as a nerd it would be nice when you talk about 800v systems that you explain you only pay for amps in heat which affects charging speed.
2022 VW does dropped to 30 minutes sessions like ioniq 5, just one more year. However, you CANNOT just unplug and plug back in. EA set a 60 minutes "cool down time" after each 30 minutes session. So you have to pay after 30 minutes. And I don't know how they would handle if someone met a charger issue, which seems way too common
So the free charging on VW is reduced to 30mins sessions , for 3 years?
@@torocars9227 that's correct
@@dearbulls ty for sharing