DM Pretends That The Players Have Choices... Then Gets Angry Part 1
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- DM Pretends The The Players Have Choices... Then Gets Angry
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Ok so I've gotten some less than savory replies about why I had to split this video into two parts and exactly how bad the editing software is.
I have been stuck using Shotcut for the last few videos. It's torture. Every single action makes my computer have a mini stroke and freeze up the entire software for around 5 seconds.
Every time I cut the audio. 5 second freeze
I add a slide. 5 second freeze
I cut the video. 5 second freeze
This video took 15 hours of work to get 18 minutes in. That's insane.
I'm sorry for cutting it abruptly but I seriously can't take it. I'll release the second part soon.
To those of you who will ask why I can't just get a better editing software. That takes WiFi. I have been operating this entire channel with my phone's mobile hotspot. It's hellish, but it should be over soon.
The reason why I don't have WiFi currently is complicated and involves a lot of personal issues. But trust me. if I could, I would have gotten it by now.
I'm not being lazy, I'm not deliberately trying to milk this one out for clicks and views, and I'm sure as hell not doing this on purpose.
respect the struggle
He is the general we deserve
CritCrab what are the specs of your computer?
dunno how it would play with your computer but this software is free and good for basic editing fxhome.com/hitfilm-express
This may be personal preference but for the notice me senpiai think you should have done like a you have been noticed or something
I love his "my characters never break the plot" while telling a story about his character breaking the plot. Its perfect
Ikr
Because DM flat out refused to communicate how not to break the plot what are you all smoking
@@emberhermin52 Two things can be true at once. The GM may stink but the player that "always plays the evil guy" is almost always an annoying douche.
@@emberhermin52 This is a really bad take my man. The DM has to tell you how to play on a rail?
@@saw31489 well it’s not supposed to be on a rail so sometimes yes
The reason for ''code names' is because some people are egotistical/petty as all hell. If they realize it's them, they'll make the life of OP/the party hell
People have found out they are part of a story from just hearing about it from friends, codename or not, and gone after OP's before. Mostly from things like Legal Advice or Nuclear Revenge, but it has happened. The problem comes in when a codename ISN'T used, and the person legally sues for lible (written form of slander/deffimation of character) and wins a case because of the explicit use of their real world name.
Using real names can feel a bit too much like doxing, too. Some respect for privacy can be afforded, especially since revealing names of a single person can ultimately reveal your own.
Well at the same time you should not forget about the Streisand Effect. The more of a stink that he brings up from it the more people will know it was him.
On top of all that, there are more unique names (like mine, a Russian name that's horribly misspelled and in the Latin English alphabet) and people with those sorts of names realise real quick who the op is and who they're talking about if their name is used
As OP makes clear in the beginning, this story was posted with the expectation that CritCrab could read it. Using an IRL name (common or not) in that context is dangerously close to doxxing, regardless of intent.
Most of the comments: The airship was longer
People who finished the video: No
The airship one still turns my stomach when I think about it Lol Good video, but man that story was creepy
Airship video is the one that triggered me the most
Tbh, the Ross Saga killed my empathy.
@@velkonemriam1935 What’s the airship story? I’d like to watch it.
@@micaylamae3283 I'll see if I can find the title Lol I forget the official name of it. I just remember 90% took place in an airship.
I have to say, the OP gives off so many red flags in this, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop in the next part.
I’m not even ten minutes in and I already agree. Blames bad behavior on mental issues, is a “professional evil” player, nothin’ personnel kid, I’m an asshole, but *totally* the lovable kind, it’s not inspiring confidence
I’m less than 2 minutes in and already have that vibe. In my time before becoming a social recluse knew way too many people who would throw “the spectrum” out there as an excuse for their deplorable behavior and when I asked “well if you can actualize that behavior as inappropriate how does that mesh with your reason that as someone in the spectrum you don’t know these things?” Of course I’m over generalizing but to me, I agree, it’s a red flag.
@@jesnemo2677 As someone on the spectrum; I realize a lot of my flaws, but it’s extremely hard to realize in the moment that I’m engaging in toxic behavior. Like OP said, it’s only in hindsight. I actually need to be reminded that I’m doing something that comes across as asshole-y. And usually I have no idea what exactly I’m doing wrong because I don’t know which social cues I missed. And constantly managing it gets tiring and draining.
It might sound like people in your experience were using it as an excuse, but it’s also entirely possible that they legit weren’t. Just because someone realizes they have a problem doesn’t make it magically go away. I just hope this makes you push less people away because cutting people off only makes them even more bitter and toxic.
@@UmbraMan1 I don’t think he was using it as an excuse at all? He takes responsibility for being an asshole in the story and only brings up as something that should be considered in the equation (which it should). On the spectrum DOES effect and make interacting ‘correctly’ mentioning it at all is NOT “using it as an excuse”
I feel like you all are AITA asshats who spam 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 and tell people to ditch everyone and that everyone is abusive and are just blatantly ablist.
I didn’t even think (still don’t) OP was good either, but god damn shoo on back to Reddit.
@@wannabehistorian371 I almost made the same damn response lmao but I wanna make an addendum; specifically, I have Asperger's with a side of ADHD for flavor. But I can say for a fact that there ARE plenty of people who use their disabilities as an excuse for shitty behavior. In the end, we need to hold ourselves and others accountable, we need to be able to actually look inward upon ourselves no matter how hard it is in order to improve. Yes, we will always be at a disadvantage because of our neurodivergence, it will still happen, but that doesn't mean we can just rest on our laurels about it.
I've seen plenty of people refuse help and dig themselves into a hole because of their disabilities. Shit I've done it myself, even. It took a very long time for me to actually realize that I was the problem and that I was not helping myself. That I was just using my autism as an excuse to not improve because it was easier. I hurt myself a lot because of it, mentally and physically. And I absolutely am not saying it's easy. I'm still working on myself, still stuck in a cycle sometimes. But in the end I had to realize that yes I have mental issues that keep me at a disadvantage as compared to others, but that doesn't mean I'm free of any kind of consequences.
Unless there is more to balance things out, I'm seeing OP as the bigger cause of the conflict. Their claims of being the more experienced DM over and over feel hollow when there hasn't been any attempt to help this newer DM. Or even communicating that they are having issues. It all seems to be passive aggression put into IC.
Uh, did you watch the whole video? OP explicitly said he told the new DM he could tell the party in advance if it looked like they were going off the rails and they should tone it back for his peace of mind.
I did watch the whole video. If I didn't I would have been mentioning the length of this video and the airship one like everyone else who posted before finishing. The OP mentioned this but then when there are clearly issues makes the decision to make them worse. They said something, saw that the person was getting upset still, and didn't do anything about it. The OP keeps talking up how good they are but then was a bad player. Yes the DM wasn't perfect but someone who was actually such a better DM as OP claims could have handled it better. Instead it seems they handled it like a jerk and made it worse. There might be more information in the second half that changes it but so far it seems like an outsider Dm who was trying to get to know a new group was crapped on by the groups other DM who thought they were better. There were multiple plot threads being put out there, and connections for the new players characters to help move things along. Even if OP is 1000% a better DM it doesn't stop the things they did so far from making them a bad player.
@@Leiliel1 I found the original reddit. OP is definitaly a fedora-wearing cringelord. But hey, it's OK because even though he/his character who's a total asshole with a hiar-trigger temper who throws fireballs at his "friends" for questioning his whining, he has perfect social skills and everyone loves him! :D
@@_malprivate2543 can you link it?
@@_malprivate2543 I need to read this
I find it odd that he considered Fire to be the element that’s alien and an asshole. To me, water fits that description more being calm, cool, analytical, and unempathetic. Fire on the other hand would be intense, passionate, and emotional. But that’s just my view on it, I suppose.
He's also a bard. They seem to be playing it the way you're saying. The alieness is just morality perhaps? Or they are not great at expressing themselves.
I think he was referencing the fact that he was a Genasi in general. Also, fire will try and burn anything and everything, it is no respecter of persons whereas water takes the path of least resistance.
Fire genie are EVIL.
None of the elements fit any personality. Every element fits every personality.
Honestly, fire would be all consuming. You’d get a “is it fuel or the enemy” mindset if you were basing a mindset/personality on an honest reflection of an “element”.
Water would be good for the mindset of something like the Borg. Taking what it wants in and sweeping all else away or avoiding it, infecting whatever it touches.
Earth would be stubborn and very resistant to change.
Air would be much like water, except any change to it would be from its surroundings and temporary.
OP reminds me of a DM whose game I joined once. He also liked to similarly monologue about how good he is.
So far, I really don't see why Steven should be a bad DM. Telling the group after the session that he has planned this differently doesn't seem too much of a problem to me. In fact, I would praise him for just going along with it. I mean, it sounds like a pretty good adventure so far, and like good DMing. DM plans for one thing, group doesn't follow, DM improvises on the spot.
Maybe there's more on the second part.
Yeah, he even allows the party to abuse the Command spell (one word should not be enough to be so specific and its duration of 1 round is obviously just 6 seconds, not nearly enough to have the desired effect; and if it was Suggestion instead, it would have been hard to make it seem not harmful) just to accommodate their role-playing.
So far, he's doing a good job while the players seem to be way too concerned getting their own plot ideas executed to bother checking properly if their plan works the way they intended it, mechanics-wise. To me, the players are more problematic than the DM at this point.
The OP's grammatical ability and sentence structure make me feel like this was originally written in chewed crayon.
So many people saying 'X story was longer' when they haven't reached the end of the video...
X story *was* longer...
But it didn't have a part two.
This seems a little iffy to me. The boastfulness of both his ability as a player and as a dm puts me off a lot. Especially when he says things like “I’m basically a pro at this point” and how he swears he acts like an asshole that everybody likes. I kind of expect a fellow group member who recognizes the player to create a follow up post about how much of an asshole he really is.
It wouldn't be the first time that happened. Also, yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who smells bullshit.
Yeah. He definitely seems like the kind to pull “well the group loves my DMing more so I know what’s what.”
@@qty1315 You sshould check the rest of his BS on reddit. It's hilarious. In a cringelord kind of way. :D
@@_malprivate2543 Link please?
@@qty1315 Not sure if it's allowed but he has commented on this video (hint: he was glad that "sempai noticed" him) so it shouldn't be too hard to find. Smae name here as on reddit. Let me know if you need more info than that. "Enjoy" your reading. :)
..it sounds like this guy is humble bragging hard , like the entire post is just him bragging about how awesome his character is, expect for the first paragraph were he goes into extensive detail about all of his problem so we can't bring them up later
U 4got abt the humble brag at the end abt his much better and far more enjoyable DMing
Yep. I feel the same.
First warning flag. I've pretty much perfected an evil character and I will always make amends if someone has a problem with it. Also him, I threw in some in character questioning of the DM out of spite but its okay BeCuZ ThAtS wHaT mY ChAraCtEr wOulD Do. That's Grade A asshat speak right there.
Im with you man. And as a person who claims to be on the spectrum, him making a statement about how people clearly enjoy his dming over the other guys is super sus. You have trouble reading social cues but you know for sure they like you better? Just tell the story smh
@@dustinjohnson8078 not to mention the times he keeps lying to
So far I'm going with this Bard player is indeed the asshole. The part at the end where he gloats over his game and DMing skills is the key to me. Doesn't seem like he's using his experience wisely and helping out Stephen
The preamble on this about the group being assholes to each other but its all good seems like the equivalent of "this is what my chaotic neutral character would do!". Also for being an RP heavy group, their bard description made no sense; he's played as a more alien/elemental mindset but has the best social skills of the entire group? That seems like it'd be saying Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen is the most social of the group. This bard reeks of fedora, mt dew, doritos, and tendies.
Yeah this is very much the kind of story I expect to see a follow-up on from another perspective showing how neckbeardy this guy is.
@@UndergroundScientist perfect comparison right there honestly
You don't tell the DM how to do his job. That can result in a TPK by Dragon(s). Unless the guy in charge asks for it, offering help is usually insulting, even if meant nicely.
While I donno how I feel about his bragging, at least he's not taking cheap shots at Steven; instead just stating the difference between them.
@@TheGuardDuck I found it very boastful. Also, anybody should be able to accept constructive criticism of something they do, it's they only way to continue to grow
16:02 So… I’m starting to seriously doubt the narrator’s reliability. But it’s fascinating to see how these guys perceive themselves.
People out here are really recognizing Critcrab...
Just as he deserves...
I'm only 2 and a half minutes in but just with the lead up this is already one of those stories that makes me question if there isnt more to it than op's side.
Saying things like
>it might sound like we're being total dicks to each other but its definitely all in good fun and none of us mind
Followed by
>I'm on the spectrum and can have trouble recognizing cues in the moment and notice them in retrospect.
Couple that up with the OP mentioning having a dm who fell out of contact and "it being a whole story on its own" and I'm definitely taking this with a couple grains of salt
Yeah this is shitty. I am on the spectrum and I get it, but if it takes me a few days to recognize I did wrong, I go talk to that person I feel I wronged. You know... Like an adult.
But not only that. The type of characters people play can say a lot about a person at times. A part of them sneaks through. I have played asshole characters before but I always try to make it so that the character works with the others. I am not a fan of playing asshole characters so I try to balance them out with levity and certain things they have a soft spot for as well as not always being right. A group that is heavy on RP combined with characters who are assholes, says a lot about a fantasy they can't play out there. It often leads to toxic behavior.
Thumbnail: "The (Not So) Invisible Railroad"
Footage: Skyrim College of Winterhold Questline
Just... perfect.
"Where can I learn magic?"
*"...Do I know what a Fae is?"*
You. I like you.
@@CritCrab *"...Am I smart enough to know what a like is?"*
@@PlanetZoidstar You take this seriously.
**Am I smart enough to know what's going on**
10:27 Can confirm night elves are indeed purple, but they can also be a pinkish hue, lavender, and silver skinned. They're also 7ft tall on average and can live thousands of years. There's your warcraft lore fact for the day:D Thanks for reading.
:D
I am still waiting about "other side" of this story, since OP reeks of "that guy" with that whole boosting about how great he is with RPing his evil bard and overall coocky behavior.
Seriously. He spent two full minutes humble bragging about how "excellently" he plays evil characters
Our King has been psychologically wounded in the production of this masterpiece.
Quite an interesting story until the abrup-
*Jojo to be continued music*
General Grey I’ll be the roundabout!
@@SpiritChain The words will make you out n out
chudney 1109 I’ll spend the daaaay awaaaay!
Boo! Finish the comment!
Quite the crabby girth here
The real hell is how the “editing this video is hell” doesn’t cover the whole screen
"I'm Gary Stu Asperger, and nothing's ever my fault."
OP says he never has a problem being evil and that he plays an asshole character . Says that he is the leader and the most social and then says how shy he is . Goes on to say how he never ruins a plot and that he can note if a player is uncomfortable .
Beginning of the post he says "it needs to be noted I am on the spectrum, and my ability to react to social situations on the spot as opposed to in retrospect are lacking ......the DM had the most power in preventing conflict ."
Which is it , you can see someone is uncomfortable and adjust on the fly or do you need to reflect .
He said his CHARACTER was the most social
My god, why is OP so afraid of contractions? It doesn't make you sound smarter, just pompous. What a piece of work this guy is.
"GINO!! You didn't tell me that Crab Crab was a Crab!"
I feel that the whole "I'm from the spectrum," is the new "take me as I am or leave me" or "I have a mastery in sarcasm" of current year...
"I'm on the spectrum, so you can't get mad at me for being an asshole."
@@the-wisest-emu Feels like theyre saying more along the lines of "Im on the spectrum, so judging these situations as they happen and responding to them quickly made me act in a way that was less than savory- though now I am judging myself after the fact and realizing I was rude, and will admit that I was a majority of the conflict. I was unable to realize that during the situation, but I see it may be the case now, so there isn't a need to point it out to me"
I don't want to argue, but ask that you think of when you were in school being explained a concept you didn't understand. Do you remember how frustrated a teacher might get trying to explain a concept they've understood for 15+ years to someone who is still trying to grasp it? The frustration comes from the fact that the teacher cannot remember or does not know what it feels like to NOT get that concept. If the teacher did, they may get lest frustrated and be able to better explain the concept to those who don't. But they don't, and they can't.
Those who don't have problems with social skills and such simply can't understand what it's like to NOT know when to stop teasing someone, or what different meanings a person can have with the same sentence based on tone. That makes it a lot harder to have those things taught to you.
Sorry for the long comment, and I really don't want an argument, but I promise, the spectrum (for those of us actually on it) is NOT an excuse for behavior- being an asshole is being an asshole. Owning up to it and trying to evaluate the situation and learn from it is the only way to improve.
@@davidcogdill300 I get what you're saying. I can see how my comment could look pretty rude without any context.
What I meant by it was that a theme in a lot of these RPG horror stories is that some of these players or DMs do some of the most disrespectful things to other people at the table or their characters, but when faced with repercussions they excuse it with being or claiming to be on the spectrum.
By no means am I insinuating that everyone on the spectrum are assholes.
I know it's a touchy subject, perhaps I should be more careful when approaching it on the future.
Sorry if I offended. :)
He's on the spectrum AND a pro at playing evil characters.
I agree. It's just an excuse for being an asshole
“I’m on the spectrum” preceded before excuses usually means someone that self diagnosed themselves with aspergers so they can excuse their bad behavior.
They just sounded like they were acknowledging they were maybe being a bit of a dick but explaining why.
@@wannabehistorian371 I agree. While listening to this story it seem like OP was stating how he felt during that time. I don’t see him as making excuses just him deadass explaining what’s going. He’s the bard okay that’s normal to have the bard smooth talk their way out of stuff. That’s could be him humble bragging but I don’t see that as he is explaining his role and what happened in the campaign.
With him reflecting and going like “huh I was a dick” or “ I should’ve dealt with that a bit better” or the fact that I can tell he doesn’t have much malice towards Steve shows he’s not being an ass.
Also in the beginning he does admit that he was the main instigator so he is well aware that his past actions where dick moves.
I don’t know why people can’t believe that you can be an asshole without realizing your an asshole at the time. Also him explaining that he’s on the spectrum isn’t him making excuses it’s him saying “ this may explain some actions as to why I did it. Doesn’t excuse it. Just explains it.”
People are so fast to lay out the your an awful human being with no redeeming quality.
Also you can make evil characters and stories without being a dick in real life.
Because if that’s the case wouldn’t ever horror and crime thriller writer be a serial killer?
Do you see Steven King going out of his way to murder people? No!
You can always take a bit of your personality and make a warped character it’s not that hard.
Rant over.
Most people are not Autistic, yes we are all technically on the spectrum but almost black like is technically on the visible light spectrum but you still might be unable to see it. You do not have the life experiences as someone that lives with discrimination. It belittles the struggles of people with severe autism with people use it as an excuse.
@@SlocumJoe7740 I’m Autistic. What are you talking about.
@@wannabehistorian371 The OP of the Story said the "Spectrum" trope.
For anyone struggling with plot points and getting the party there, just remember time keeps flowing regardless of whether or not the party is interacting with it.
That necromance scheduled to break out of his crypt in a week, and instead of following the job to take care of it, they go shopping and brothel hunting?
Well, now it's a zombie survival campaign.
It kinda sounds like Steven wants them to be noble, to do the right thing. He does know this is a primarily Evil party, right?
You hit the nail right on the head
@Caleb Chaney-- i personally think it might be more than that. Just because you have an Evil alignment doesn't mean your an Evil person, just that you were raised with a different set of values. My Party(GREED-E) plays mostly chaotic alignments, but i've gotten them to be noble & do the right thing multiple times by applying to either their greed(be it monetary, political or Arcane) or their sense of self-preservation/Revenge(they ended the reign and life of an Evil Tyrant BBEG just 'cause one of their Lt. Cheeted them). The DM in Op's story went about it with a bulldog mentality to "get their way" and apparently tried to run 'em over with the Railroad. True, the party didn't make things any better by pulling all their stunts even when it was obvious the DM was honestly mad...
@@johnnysizemore5797 this is why random tables to roll on are so helpful. Tables for everything, roll tables for roll tables. sure, you want structure in the game so you can prepare. But a level of randomness alleviates frustration. You can't really get angry at people for ruining plans when your plans are random and NPC's can just as well ruin them as PC's. I also enjoy making "if ____ then ____" tables, if you make enough tables you can give your NPCs/worlds a semblance of AI so you aren't in full control of them. Sometimes i'll use them in game, sometimes I just use them to help prep.
@@johnnysizemore5797 this gets into the primary issue of alignment that is *people often don't know what it means*
In dnd, evil is not "society disagrees with you" it is not "you are just raised with different values" it is not "my book says what you are doing is bad" good and evil in dnd are cosmic realities with firm definitions that are measurable. Good and evil are not subjective in dnd, they are as real and tangible as gravity or the electromagnetic force. It is *important* when you get a new Dm to establish that you all know exactly what is to be expected when someone says "I'm chaotic evil"/"I'm lawful good" because they are not the real world equivalents and even if they were people don't agree on what the real world equivalents even mean.
This is an inherent issue with dnd. If you took alignment out, it would still be an issue because it is baked into the substrate of what makes the game dungeons and dragons
@MarvAlice-- oh, i agree with all you just said(nice thumbnail,btw). Good and Evil alignments are baked into D&D and have a real, tangible effect therin. The point i was trying to was one of perspective. Just because your character has an Evil alignment doesn't mean they hace to have an "Evil" attitude in regards to others or themselves...
When it comes to the hunters killing the infected man as a show of evil, I guess it'd be slightly more effective if it was established that hunting parties bring goblin made cure potions with them while hunting the zombies. That way killing the infected man would be less pragmatic and more selfish.
He was past the point of curing though so why waste a cure on something that cant be?
@@endorneyodera4366
What do you know that I don't? We don't know what kind of magical strength the potions had.
@@odinlindeberg4624 i think they mentioned it in the post, and im also assuming that the professional hunters would know more about it than the average merc
The execution itself could be morally ambiguous but the fact these same hunters put everyone in cages, cheered at potential rape and OP even saying they had evil intentions with blaming the party for what the hunters did speaks a little more. Even just ‘why are these innocent people in cages’ is enough to cause concern.
This is the longest video at 18 minutes, but only one ad. I salute you crab lord
"Hello, before I tell you this story, let me tell you how great a guy I am, also I'm autistic and I played this game with my fiance. Oh yeah, and I don't hold any ill-will to anyone in this story because my name is Gary Stu, and also I'm a great DM and player and..."
'Turns video off.'
Yeah man. I kinda saw the writing on the wall around 4:00. I don't think I'll be finishing this.
I've read the rest of this story......it gets worse.
@@grimmcrag8715 I read all the way to the end. I was treated with this wanky gem straight out of a fanfiction story:
"I was the leader of the main adventuring group after all, and needed to communicate to him more), not the TPK attempt, not the fits; but that he said that we're bad players that ruin everything because "You look like you want to be some sort of heroes or something! Like it's all about you!". I mean... excuse me? Steven, it's Dungeons and-fucking-Dragons! We are the heroes! It is all about us! It's a game about being heroes, and changing the world; defeating the big bad, about becoming legends. What do you mean we're bad for following this simple directive? Steven, you don't get it - it's not about you and your fantasies; it's about the players. You're the DM, your job is to let the players have fun, not to try and murder them and then get pissed on them surviving! If you cannot do that, then I'm sorry, you're a bad DM. But, again, I said none of that. I wanted peace. "Well", I said after he cooled down. "It's a real pity, your world had such potential, but I understand. Meanwhile, I can offer to continue with my adventure for all of you. Steven, you are absolutely welcome to come over, since you now have more time to play, I do love your dwarf, and since it seems like this is our main adventure now, I can offer you to switch from Adventure League's SKT to a real, big adventure!" Everyone supported the idea, even Steven, but in the end, he pouted, and huffed, and refused to come, probably offended that I was positive about the change and didn't argue about anything."
@@qty1315 "and then I high fived ghandi who said "man I wish I was as chill as you bro" then we went for ice cream. But I made sure we went to a vegan I've cream place because I'm really considerate of my friends and I know he's a vegan."
@@grimmcrag8715 "And then we met Spongebob and Fluttershy in our DnD campaign and I suggested that they looked cute together and should start dating. The DM said that he disagreed, and I told him "It's fine if you disagree, but this is DnD, you're supposed to indulge in your fantasies. Why would you have them in the game if they weren't going to hook up?" He was so impressed by my reasoning, and he seemed all for it initially, but then he got cold feet and bailed."
I dont understand these code names... its so they dont know its you. Theres thousands of steves yes but only one steve who knows the plot and story of your campain.
The details of the story would reveal that, not just the name. When you get to the level of quoting what your character said in key interactions with important npc’s, a dm will almost certainly be able to figure out if the game is theirs or not, regardless of names used.
@@Aplesedjr depends if its homebrew or module as well, a module with some characters similar might be hard to guess some key interactions may stand out, and even if its directed at someome the Anon is to prevent others from associating a game with that GM. My friends name steve he must be the same steve from x story which may or may not be the case. The community that plays dnd isnt as large as people think it is.
Death Strike Gaming you must be a master of understanding people if you can correctly guess that someone you read about on reddit once is the same person that you are personally meeting later. And even if you can, it doesn’t matter because they can be very different between now and then. Also, the D&D community is pretty big, easily a few million people, if not more.
@@Aplesedjr yeah ~5.6% of the worlds population plays DnD, also you must be steve
it prevent others from finding the dm or op
"Dm story isn't consistent with my imagination = bad DM" basically the entire story
The post makes the party seem more neutral than evil, IMO.
OP sounds like an awful person to DnD with,I guarantee less people "loved" his roleplaying than he realizes.
Have you seen the second part? Apparently there's been another player this whole time, but they weren't interesting enough to mention...I'm sure they just loooooved his roleplaying. They loved it so much they didn't participate.
When you’re Autistic you tend not to realize that. It can legit hurt when you find that people actually don’t like you.
@@wannabehistorian371 I doubt they are actually Autistic, there is a trend now for people to say "I'm on the spectrum" because they read a Buzz Feed article and took a Facebook test.
@@SlocumJoe7740 LOL, IKR! I’m actually autistic and I legit saw someone who’s in this comment section say “well everyone’s on the spectrum soo..” and I’m like, dude that’s not how it works. You’re either autistic or you’re not. It’s quite simple to understand.
@@SlocumJoe7740 I have a little sister who was always off socially but insisted she didn’t want to be like on of those people who self-diagnosed their autism.
She was eventually diagnosed as on the spectrum in her 20s. I guess what I’m driving at is that she was on the spectrum before she got the diagnosis.
OP is definitely the bad guy here. I can tell hes gonna be even more boastful and annoying in part 2...
"I was the leader of the main adventuring group after all, and needed to communicate to him more), not the TPK attempt, not the fits; but that he said that we're bad players that ruin everything because "You look like you want to be some sort of heroes or something! Like it's all about you!". I mean... excuse me? Steven, it's Dungeons and-fucking-Dragons! We are the heroes! It is all about us! It's a game about being heroes, and changing the world; defeating the big bad, about becoming legends. What do you mean we're bad for following this simple directive? Steven, you don't get it - it's not about you and your fantasies; it's about the players. You're the DM, your job is to let the players have fun, not to try and murder them and then get pissed on them surviving! If you cannot do that, then I'm sorry, you're a bad DM. But, again, I said none of that. I wanted peace. "Well", I said after he cooled down. "It's a real pity, your world had such potential, but I understand. Meanwhile, I can offer to continue with my adventure for all of you. Steven, you are absolutely welcome to come over, since you now have more time to play, I do love your dwarf, and since it seems like this is our main adventure now, I can offer you to switch from Adventure League's SKT to a real, big adventure!" Everyone supported the idea, even Steven, but in the end, he pouted, and huffed, and refused to come, probably offended that I was positive about the change and didn't argue about anything."
Fighter: Whats that city?
Wizard: What city?
Fighter: The red one.
Wizard: That is no city, thats all the red flags.
"First session - we kinda break stevens plans a little" - so Steven 1st time a GM then?
Sounds like it.
From what I've heard so far, though, Steven isn't the bad guy here.
okay the bard and the party are to blame in this one! they say their evil they are given the evil option to join or destroy, they choose neither okay, here is the less bad option join or destroy again choosing neither, the good option again neither its like the dm IS writing a novel for once because his players don't want to pick a path. a friend to all is a friend to none and makes a campaign stale and no fun!
The refusal to choose reminds me of something I heard about improv comedy: The first rule of improv comedy is never say, “No.” The idea is one or more members of the improv group come up with something and the others take turns playing off it (A good example of this is the superhero segments on Whose Line Is It Anyway?). If someone comes up with something and someone says no, that kills the momentum of the skit by forcing one or more people to change track abruptly and unnecessarily. It sounds to me like refusing to make a decision/take any action in an RPG is like saying no during an improv skit.
"I have more experience DMing than this guy, and people obviously enjoy my way of DMing more."
God I hate this boasting, everyone started small at some point and has to find their style of DMing. Just because OP allows game-breaking and/or has his personal style of DMing does not mean that is a standard for everyone else.
I don’t trust players who play evil characters; especially people who claim to be professional evil alignment players. That’s code word for: I’m a contrarian who likes to go against the flow of the game. There’s a reason why so many DMs on ROLL20 ban evil alignment characters because of that negative conflict. I had a player tell me that when I was making a group, and I had to boot him before the game even started because all he wanted to do was argue with people. I’m not saying the DM did everything perfectly but it sounds an awful lot to me like this person was really seeking to control the game.
Yeah, I feel that. I didn't boot anyone but I have had to sit down with a few of the newer players and set them straight. It stems from a misunderstanding, or misinterpretation of the game. It's about fun, not winning against the GM...
Failing that... ROCKS. WILL. FALL
Evil alignment just means they are ok with using lying, thievery and violence to shortcut to the goals of themselves/the party. Honestly, most people play what (by the rules) is Evil no matter what they write on the sheet. Evil alignments as most seem to interpret it in these comments (and everyone who says “I don’t allow Evil characters”) is what my wife and I call “True Evil”, “Pure Evil”, or “(L/N/C) Asshole”. Closely related to “Chaotic Stupid”.
Honestly, I have had more disasters caused by Lawful Good than Evil alignments. Way too many psychotic Crusaders bent on wiping out anything that is lawbreaking or not Good, it’s why I hated Paladins in first and second edition.
The Good/Evil divise is kinda stupid because it implies to a bunch of players that they should go out of their way to be cruel which isn't the point.
Selfish/Selfless feels a lot more like what it means. "Evil" characters are in it for the rewards and will help people if they get something for it and "Good" characters are in it to help people but will accept rewards if they are offered.
I feel like a large part of the original dm's struggles, might come from not knowing what motivates the party. They have no stakes in this conflict, no reason to get involved. And I feel like both sides could have helped with this. The DM could have given stakes (the king absolutely could send them home, but is willing to sacrifice the good of the party for the good of his people, and hold that over the party to get them to do what he wants. Later on, this could turn into a, "the king is our enemy" arc.) Or the party could have offered what incentivizes them ("I don't really care about your petty drama... but you're a wealthy monarch. I'll back you, for the right price.)
OR out of character, anyone could have brought up that they're having a rough time. "I feel like you want me to pick a side, but my character doesn't really feel strongly about either one. I'm getting the vibe you're not happy with that... maybe we can talk about what our options are." "It's really important to the plot that you guys pick a side, but I'm a little lost on how to get that to happen without asking you to break character. I know you guys want to go home, but is there anything else about this situation anyone's character might feel strongly about?"
Generally when you turn around and use fireball followed by about 12 burning hands and then an actual melee attack and your entire party turns instantly on your character with PVP, it means THEY'RE ALL BLOODY FED UP OF YOU OP.
I just realized your icon is a crab claw. I always thought it was a negative of a lightning bolt.
I can't un see that now dammit lmao
@@CritCrab You can now play yourself as an elemental lightning crab.
I learn a lot in these videos. Typically regarding what not to do, things to avoid, and probably the most important thing: COMMUNICATE EXPECTATIONS AND DESIRES for game play.
Good to see some of y'all cant finish a video before commenting.
How can we say "First!" If someone posts before we finish watching?
OP: I am an evil player and my characters choose evil every time!
DM: *presents good option and evil option*
OP: your NPCs are confusing and stupid what the fuck am I supposed to do.
You don't understand how morality works. Evil people don't do evil for evil's sake, they are willing to do evil IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN IT FOR THEM. There was nothing offered so they had no care for getting involved.
18 minutes oooooh this is going to be beautiful.(oh another note this party and DM are incompatible he wants heroes they are anti heroes or mercs)
which is why OP's idea to voice his problems through his character wasn't the best. This is why you should talk to your DM, especially when something really bad is happening.
@@Nuggette To be fair, DM ain't talking. OP literally tells him if there's a certain way he wants them to go, OP would make sure himself and the others go along with it. He flat out says he's willing to work with Steven's plans so long as he says what those plans are. Steven doesn't say a word until after the fact. OP was just doing what he felt would have been more polite without breaking immersion just to complain. New DM or not, Steven isn't exactly in the right here. OP's at least got Evil right, compared to most's definition of Evil being they do evil acts at all times like killing people and all that.
I can already tell that the the video is going to be good
“Goblins control the cure and the world” I really don’t like where this dm’s world is going
I once created this super epic boss fight vs Orc Antipaladin on Pathfinder. I had done lots of preparation and when the encounter began, My big bad lost the initiative to the party sorcerer who used hold person as his first action and my antipaladin botched the save with natural 1. My Big BAD got coupd de graced like a dog and the battle was over. I was really upset, because I had have some effort into it, but also seeing the pure joy and excitement on my players face as they totally steamrolled the boss fight was incredibly rewarding and I just let them have their moment and even gave them extra experience points. Even to this day they still talk about how they wrecked this big bad antipaladin with lucky hold person-. Rules are rules and railroading prevents truly memorable moments from happening
My name is Stephen and I'm also learning how to DM, and am writing a campaign about plague. WTF.
If you were the Stephen in the story you wouldn’t be in the wrong
@@rdoogan1259 I'd side with him too...the OP stroked his ego so hard he came all over his own face in front of all of reddit
Love the "Take this DM, but not me b/c I'm on the spectrum" zzz
Your a good one. Mr crab
This channel is my new obsession. What a simple yet fucking fantastic concept! Keep up the videos. May even have to write in myself in the future.
Ayyyyye this was a good listen. Keep up the hard work crit
I look forward to part 2!
Wow, the player running Etienne is giving us a clinic on how to run a neutral evil character. Outstanding!
the worst part od this story is that that first session was actually really cool
I appreciate your honestly, CritCrab, and don't blame you. That ending was really funny. XD
hey @CritCrab
do you mind adding links to the stories in your description? I think it might help if we have people giving good feedback to the people in their threads so making it easier to do so would be nice.
Less blue and more like an elf.
Someone never told them that Elf have fey ancestry which should kinda make them a target for the hunters
Well, given this supposedly takes place in an alternate dimension maybe the elves there aren't fey-ish? Or not fey-y enough for the plot elixir to work?
Granted, given Steven's apparent deserve to have weird character motivations its possible there just isn't an actual explanation for why thats not a thing.
If we include multiple parts, then obviously the Craig saga is the longest
Yes but the Craig saga was three stories. This is one.
@@CritCrab I suppose so, still neither concern a single session or event, but are collections of stories
CritCrab honestly has my respect in everything he does.
'hopefully ever'
Current day: *padding for time like a mofo*
I mean, at that first off the rails point, the party was at a high enough level that fighting a small army wouldn't be unreasonable if they did it right and the army was low level enough, I can tell that even though he's DM'd before he's probably used to murder hobos and absolute dunce players who ram into any encounter and are happy when it's a challenge, but conquerable. He just didn't know how that group's roleplay style worked, and also didn't frame their new ally properly. Fuck man, instead of "the empire is evil" if he just framed the story as "the empire is the only thing in the way of YOU having an empire" then things might have turned out differently, wouldn't matter if they thought the little guy was shady.
The DM so far is by no means the asshole of this story, but he just fundamentally set things up at 90 degrees to the party.
Sounds like Steven wanted to do combat encounters.
0:05 "This one is likely going to be the longest video in the history of the channel. Hopefully ever."
Narrator: It was not.
Yes! I love your channel dude ^^
All I ask is that you label the video "part 1". Otherwise i really enjoy the longer videos, so i am looking forward to part 2.
I'm glad I'm not the only person that senses something just seems off about OP.
I LOVE that the airship video is deemed the perpetual benchmark of DnD horror stories here.
Whatever my other feelings about OP that speech to the King was kind of epic
Okay maybe it's my immaturity but "I wanna play, I wanna play hard" cracked me up so bad
Not as bad as the Lobster Genocide during the Lobster-Crab war. 🦞🦞🦞🦞🦀🦀🦀🦀
You know what... you seem to be having a rough day. *huggles* People wont hate multiple part videos, don't worry about it. Looking forward to the whole thing when its done.
Level 10 with no Magic Items? Damn impressive
Ngl…. That ending….. unbelievably based
I'm unlikely to get a response from like anyone but... am I the only one who doesn't quite get being an Evil party? Like, I can see maybe doing it for a one-shot or something, but....where's the fun in just doing bad things all the time? (And by bad I mean anything that crosses the line morally, either by action or words)
I can understand being neutral because then you can slip into evil tendencies if you want or good tendencies if you want but where's the fun in having an extended campaign played by all evil characters?
I really hope I don't sound like a wimp or something but I really would like it if someone could give me a good answer because every time I hear one of these stories I get a little bored with some of the antics that the players talk about getting up to.......
Sorry for the long comment. Got on a bit of a rant there. And I know it barely has anything to do with this story since they were just a MOSTLY evil group, not straight evil.
Well, the first thing with any alignment based system and playing a Evil party campaign you'd have to discuss it: What is Evil? I mean, is stabbing and killing someone with a sword evil? Some would say yes. Others would say it depends. Was the person attacking you, were they a proven murderer, were they a demon? But that's a whole long philosophic discussion so let's not bother with that part.
Basically playing a Evil party is a change of pace and allows for something different. Personally the thing that really confuses me (and in my opinion I think people are doing it completely wrong) is when people play a Evil party with the idea that Evil means selfish. I mean, let's say the Evil party was a group of cultists trying to raise great Cthulhu. Why would any of those cultists be selfish and constantly trying to backstab each other? They are all working on the same team for the same goal, sure they might be murderous when necessary, but they'd always be looking out for each other.
Also another thing I think people always get wrong is that just because you're evil doesn't mean you're ok with murder or are a complete psychopath. People always think that evil means running around kicking dogs, eating babies, flaying people alive, etc. But is it? Let's say my character is a con artist who swindles old folks out of their entire life savings, depriving these people of everything right at the final years of their lives. That is without question evil. But also my character would never kill anyone, loves dogs, thinks babies are cute, and the thought of flaying anyone alive or dead would make them puke. But they are without question evil.
That is where playing a evil campaign can be fun. You can be a group of brothers and sisters in a cult who deeply care about each other but are trying to summon forth your God who will end all the wickedness from the world and usher in a golden age that will make it a paradise. Well, a paradise according to your world view. And yeah other people think your God is evil but what do they know? Look at all the death, destruction, and senseless suffering in the world, and what are those heretic naysayers doing to stop that? Nothing that's what! You and your brothers and sisters are doing something, and once you complete that ritual the rest of the world will see. They'll all see the glory of Cthuhu and realize the true importance of all those team building exercises you and the other cultist always did. Never underestimate what can be accomplished with a positive attitude and trust in your co-workers.
Or you play a campaign of con artists, bank robbers, mobsters, orc/goblin warband dealing with humans encroaching on their land, people surviving a zombie/any apocalypse by whatever moral means necessary, assassins and spies serving the kingdom doing the dirty espionage and assassination job necessary for the greater good, group of vampires just trying to keep their species going and yeah they do have to drink blood and there's only so many ways to do that. There are plenty of ideas for evil campaigns that would be just like any other game, only with some moral flexibility on how the job gets done.
@@BericD Thank you for that. See, I always kind of thought that's the way it WOULD be played but whenever I hear about it online or hear one of my friends talk about it, they always go for either backstabbing the crap out of each other or murder hobo-ing.
I mean, I still feel like it would get stale (outside of the cultist thing which sounds A-MAZING.....thanks now I really want to play That campaign lol) if you spent the entire time being forced to go bad in a specific way. I'm not saying there isn't room for change in there, as seen by what some people think Good means (I'm talking about personal experience here) but I tend to play neutral characters so that when I do something horrible right after doing something good, people won't get confused.
There was one campaign I was in where the sorceror (He was playing it SUPPOSEDLY Chaotic Good) kept trying to kill things for no reason. Literally. He would see something and be the first to attack it. The DM ended up warning him like three separate times about that and it would've been cool if the DM'd actually followed through and shown a little backlash about the characters change in alignment, but alas he didn't. I am aware that sorcerors don't get a massive backlash like clerics do when they shift but it still would've been cool if something had come of it, since he was playing the only Good character. (Our healer was an Oracle who ended up becoming Chaotic Good by the end of the campaign.)
Ack, sorry. I ranted again.
I mainly just wanted to thank you for giving me a proper response.
I really like when you use Skyrim footage for the backgrounds of these videos. It's just fun to watch without distracting from the actual story.
Also, to answer something the person who wrote the story said: Codenames are used because people usually don't want their names shared by other people online even if they can't be tracked.
I, for one, embrace our two parter from our Crab Overlord
" This might be my longest video."
Airship video: Am I a joke to you?
This is just part 1.
rip CritCrab and his unfortunate editing situation
:)
I'm happy about how long this story is
My DnD folder is quickly filling up with these Crit Crab story videos.. I may have a problem XD
this is why PCs should never be evil
Your chanel is so witty and funny ; I am a vet that goes back to D&D to Pathfinder . I laugh because I sware I know some of these people .
I might use this idea for my campaign
Has anybody said your dedication to Roleplaying in Skyrim is Admirable. And makes me wish i could mod skyrim to allow you to PLAY as an NPC. While the Dovahkiin does his random batshit lunacy everynow and again. And you just have to watch and deal with him.
"...I am on the spectrum..." Hoooh, boy... This is gonna be a doozy isn't it?
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@@cw2010 either he is mad they are using it as an excuse (like I am as I am also on the spectrum) or this MAGA man sees me as subhuman....your choice
@@jacobc8036 dude wtf
@@raymondtomas2294 what?
@@jacobc8036 how do you come to the conclusion that their calling a group of people subhuman?
"I am that one guy who volunteered to DM one day, and has never actually played since." Ah, my kin. Welcome.
my dog just clicked the subscribe butten while sleep
Your dog wants to evolve to crab
OP sounds like a regatta of red flags. And I say this as a guy who likes playing rude/mean/evil characters.
*Reaches the end of the video* Well at least you're honest.
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