Trelawney's Actually ALWAYS Right? | Harry Potter Explained
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to uncover the hidden genius of Sybill Trelawney and how she is actually almost always right.. even if she doesn't know why.
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That moment when the bunny dies/ the dementor attacks on my birthday.
I mean, the great seer Cassandra was cursed to never be believed...this could be a riff on this.
Or it could be a chance to sneak a bit of foreshadowing into the story in a form it would not be noticed.
Ancient Greek legend has a prophetess named Sibyl. So I just assumed that this was the case with the seer in HP.
YES!!!
I’m glad other people know this. Personally, I see this as another example of Rowling ripping off established works for her own gain.
Yep
Introverts: “My communication skills are really bad”
Professor Trelawney: needs two muggle brothers on the internet to understand what she herself said
Loll
🤣🤣
And that is when you know that you have extraordinary bad communication skills
Classic!
I think it’s more she can’t even teach that well so, it’s social and communication that she’s bad at, and also can I say that the word “Communication” is very long, that might be why she has problems with it just saying.
There's this theory I saw somewhere that I actually love.
So you know how Trelawny predicts the death of a student each year? And then everybody thinks she's a fraud because none of them have died yet?
Well, what if all of them die in the battle of hogwarts?
And yes, she probably didnt predict *all* of the people that die in the battle, but it would make sense that she would see some of them dying.
She even says Harry will die, which he does. (I know he doesn't stay dead, but he does die)
Also, a lot of Ron's predictions come true too. Some examples:
On one of their first divination lessons, Ron's looks at Harry's tea leaves and sees a bowler hat and suggests that maybe he will end up working at the ministry of magic. Then he says the hat looks kind of like an acorn, which means unexpected gold. Harry does end up working at the ministry ( he later becomes an auror), and the unexpected gold could be referring to his winnings at the triwizard tournament.
In the second book, so before they even start divination, harry, ron, and hermione are trying to figure out why Tom Riddle got a special services award or whatever it called. Ron jokingly says "or maybe he killed moaning myrtle, would have done everyone a favour"
Which he did.
That last bit is legit. I forgot he said that.
So Ron is a seer? Dang
i mean didn't moody wear a bowler hat so that could be something too
@@josiahtaylor7967 it's possible. we know "fortune telling" is closer to what the class teaches. Ron might very well have the Sight.
This makes perfect sense to me.
Everyone laughed at how she constantly made dark dramatic predictions that students would die young or suffer some other huge tragedy, but a lot of them did die or suffer tragedy in the Battle of Hogwarts
genuinely goofy that the main characters comment that every year something insane happens and someone nearly (or does) dies, and yet whenever trelawneys like "someone will dieeeee" they're like psh ok crazy
Did Harry died like 50 times?? No😂 she is a freud
@@michelveenstra9906He died once. She predicted it multiple times, but she wasn’t talking about a new death each time.
@@michelveenstra9906 Harry was host to a Horcrux, a piece of Voldemort's soul, several Horcruxes died throughout the years, so she could have been predicting those, again, she can see Voldemort through Harry, hence she sees a soul born in the middle of winter.
Wasn't Trelawney's mother's name Cassandra as well? As in the mythical figure blessed with the gift of prophecy, but cursed that no one would ever believe her predictions? Like a certain Divination teacher who always makes accurate predictions, but is so muddled in her presentation and so flighty in her bearing that no one takes her seriously?
I believe her great (great?) grandma was called Cassandra and was indeed a gifted seer. Somewhere there is a quote from Trelawney: "gifts like these often skip, eh... three generations".
@@Silverwing28 I think it's 4 or 5 generations she says it to Umbridge but I don't have my books handy to check!
@@sarahglover3286 it's three. I quickly checked! It helps that I use the audiobooks to fall asleep nearly every night, so I have them always handy ;)
@@Silverwing28 Ok thanks I misremembered!
What if JK seriously liked your comment too?
I recently re-read the prisoner of Azkaban and I found a odd part. When Ron looks at Harry’s tea dregs he says he sees a bowler hat and that Harry might work at the ministerial of magic. He also sees a acorn witch the Unfogging The Future says means unexpected gold. Both of those thing come true bc Harry becomes a aruor and he wins gold after the triwizard tornoment and he wasn’t expecting to win. It’s just a thought.
Good catch.
And he suffered and was happy abt it
I think I left a similar comment on this video...it was also about how much of what Ron says during ANY of the DIVINATION classes turns out to either come true or be very close to something that actually happens.
One of my friends pointed out to me that Ron has a natural knack for divination (though just isn't very interested in it) kinda like Harry has a natural knack for flying and Hermione is best with charms. He makes a few casual predictions or gut feelings through the series that also tend to be correct.
Their prediction of being burned then drowned and almost dying comes true in the next year in gof
I recently re-read Prisoner of Azkaban and Trelawney says their “examination in June will involve the orb...”. The Battle at the Department of Mysteries takes place in June 1996.
That’s only because Voldemort is polite and waits until the children have gotten their full year of education before making any moves
I never thought about this! The fact that Trelawney is referring to exams of life instead of academic exams is something else!
@@ShriyaditaSS or examination, meaning to examine the prophecy!!
@@AllySheehan That also makes sense!
Grindewald: I can predict the future
Trewlaney: Hold my cherry bottle.
*sherry
@@amplifi3dgaming608 thanks
@@amplifi3dgaming608 I just wanna say that I saw that episode of phinas and ferb and let me just say that was a very scary Doofapus
Lol yes! Did I mention that I wish Ron threw scabbers off the table. Peter would’ve died first.
Well Grindelwald was an actual seer,and far more better than Trelawney
8:44 "I was born in July"
*Me, being from the southern hemisphere*: But that is mid-winter?
Christmas during Summer sounds so wierd to me
@@CiderVG you are probably not from the Southern Hemisphere then ;)
Aren't hemispheres weird?
Tasoq Same Aussie :)
When mr Weasley in order of the pheonix gets bitten by nagini everyone gathers at Grimauld place and there were 13 AND SIRIUS STANDS UP FIRST
man
Really?
I wanted to scream this to screen! My mind directly jumped to that one 13 people eating was mentioned!
They already said that in a video but YEAH!
😭
Snape:
Avada kedavara.
Literally everyone:
Avada kedavara.
Voldemort:
AAAVVVADDAA KEDDDAVAARRA.
Its like he got an ulcer on the top of his mouth cavity that he doesnt want to touch
No no it’s
I WUNNA BANANAAA
CHeska tulaooo 11 actually it's
VANILLA BANANA!!!!!!!
Avada kedavra*
stop stop stop you're saying it wrong it's KID-OV-ROH not KID-AV-ER-ROH
Sirius broke into the castle on Halloween, but you know what did happen on October 16th? Crookshanks attacked Scabbers. Crookshanks - magical cat working for Sirius Black, known dark wizard - attacked Petter Pedigrew, wizard and inhabitant of the castle. If we assume that Lavender’s fear was that Sirius would attack the castle or someone inside it, or simply that he would “make his move,” in some fashion, then yeah, it probably counts, even if he did it via a double agent.
Does that also mean that she always had a thing for Ron Weasley?
@@scorne414 She might, we just don't know because she isn't spotlighted until book 6.
“And in case you need a refresher he dies”
*death cut*
Why did this make me laugh
Cry laugh
All of them made me laugh 😂😂
Because you are a terrible person. Jk.
@@TheRavenCoder Jk. I see what you did there
I laughed so hard I choked
The "13 on a table" happens 2 more times:
In OotP when Harry arrives at the HQ they have been 13 at the table and Sirius stood up first - and later died.
(Harry, Ron, Hermione, Lupin, Mr & Mrs Weasly, Bill, Mundungus, Toks, Ginny, Fred, George & Sirius)
After the Battle of the 7 Potters at the Burrow there also have been 13 at the table. This time Lupin stood up first and also died.
(Harry, Ron, Hermione, Mr & Mrs Weasly, Hagrid, Fred, George, Ginny, Tonks, Bill, Fleur & Lupin)
Wow... this is really interesting. I didn't realise it. It makes me wonder though, why nobody in the wizarding world is carreful enough with this 13 at a table thing? It seems to me that as divination is a school subject and many of those people are aducated adults... why nobody seems to care or at least take precautions.
Huh, I never noticed that, why aren't all wizarding dining tables made to sit 12 people or less?
@@acedragon1456 since only few of a class actually see divination as serious as Trelawny or the Patill's.
Not everybody shuns it completely, but most don't read too much into it.
@@acedragon1456 The person getting up first would have died anyway at the same time in the same circumstances. It's divination, not dark magic. It doesn't cause the tragedies, it predicts them.
@@Maqtka Well, because it doesn't mean that any will die immediately. They may all live another 50 years. Just that the first to rise will be the first to die. I agree though, there is no way I would let myself rise first if I notice. It is confusing though, as you could all sit back down again, and let someone else rise first the next time. Who will die next then? Seems like it is only accurate when no one is paying attention to it.
"So before you got lost in my thoughts, Harry, you wanted to ask me something." said Dumbledore gazing at Harry "I was in Divination before I came to your office, sir and in Divination I- I fell asleep."harry said looking kind of embarrassed. "That is completely understandable." Dumbledore dore said grinning at Harry
I found that very funny in Goblet of Fire
ahh yes my favorite character, dumbledore dore
@@Cyver 🤣🤣
And don't forget in GoF where Harry and Ron make up their predictions:
Harry would be in danger of burns= the first task (dragon)
He would lose a treasured possesion= second task (in the lake, he had to rescue Ron) OR losing Cedric (idk if he is a treasured possession towards Harry, but ihe could be, right?)
He would be stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend= Mad Eye Moody turning out to be Barty Crouch Jr. OR in the maze when Krum attacked Cedric because he was under the Imperius curse (though that would probably not be it, it's still a possibility
He would come off worse in a fight= after the battle with Voldemort on the graveyard
Apparently Harry and Ron are better at Divination than they think.
Apparently harry got an inner eye. Just as bad as his true eye though
Isn't it Ron that's meant to come of worse in a fight?
@@Hannah-bj9pe No it was Harry who put "coming off the worse in a fight" in his homework
The dream diaries occur the year after goblet of fire. 🤦♀️ They can't be predicting what's going to happen "in the coming week" and then we interpret it as really true...in the prior book.
9:47 Possibly my favorite exchange in the whole franchise:
Umbridge: "Potter! Tell them I mean them no harm!"
Harry: "I'm sorry, Professor. I must not tell lies."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Definitely the best addition to the films that wasn't in the books.
Justin Carawan yes and yes!
Harry whipped out the uno reverse card real quick.
Lol same
@@Calvinosaur yes but
If J.K Rowling REALLY thought about all of this, did she even sleep?? The depth of each character's story and how each one intersects another is mind boggling for the reader let alone the creator of a whole other world...
@@knifelovingrogue Do you reckon if HP theory's had never become a thing they'd still be so popular!?
Not hating just curious of opinions!
@@sarahglover3286 I think the books were so good in the first place that it only made sense to do the movies which in turn increased the popularity. You can't argue with such beautiful complexity and well thought out plots. The story was meant for success.
@@Ariana-pk6nv Well put!
I can honestly say, as a soon to be book writer myself, yes, she probably does... just... not without being side-tracked by her ideas.
Many ideas come from that twilight time between sleeping and waking.
I always loved her as a character, I felt genuinely sad for her when Umbridge tried to kick her out. Like she’s the nicest lady. Behind professor sprout and Mcgonnagal she’s my favorite professor that doesn’t teach defense against the dark arts
Aside from Umbridge being a cruel human-being, I feel like Umbridge was purposely trying to remove her from the school because she was the one who gave the prophecy about Harry Potter. This, of course, is what Voldemort was after in the first place.
I find it really interesting that the character who needs extremely thick glasses is also divination-blind. She is gifted but her inner eye sees a fuzzy picture.
Her divinations are immaculate. A prophet is not obliged to interpret: the ancient Sybil always gave accurate but obscure predictions. But Trelawney was the full package. She just ^thought^ she was a fraud.
She has the gift, she sees it all, she just doesn't interpret the visions properly, mostly because of a lack of context, everything she sees connects to certain events, however loosely, but she has no way of knowing why the vision is the way it is at the time she has it, like when she tells Neville about his grandma or Parvati about the red-head man, she sees an image of those events but she can't possibly know that it wasn't Neville's grandma but the Boggart that would transform into Snape, or that it wasn't Parvati but Padma who would have a horrible date with Ron.
I mean, "Your grandmother may not be so well," could mean a lot of things. She could've had a cold, and might not even have told Neville while communicating by owl.
She may have have mixed up Parvati and Padma, or Parvati could just really care about her sister's well-being, or maybe - just maybe - Parvati actually listened to Trelawney, stayed clear of the Weasleys herself, and thus Padma wound up with Ron instead.
@Simply ViVi well, glasses don’t really make you colorblind but yeah I agree with the fact that she couldn’t recognize the difference between the twins
When Trelawney asks this, Neville responds "I think so," and then Trelawney says not to be so sure. So it could be applying to what Neville thought, not his grandmother
The "beware a red-haired man" could also refer to Ron getting together with Lavender Brown, Parvati's best friend. She needs to "beware" that Ron doesn't steal her friend away from her.
@@JokeCubed yah - once i thought that she said that to lavender tho
Exactly - just like a horoscope, if it’s vague enough you can interpret it to be true due to any number of mundane everyday things that could happen at any time. Doesn’t mean there’s any validity behind the actual predictions.
Don't forget the predictions Harry and Ron make for homework. You mention that they hilarious get them right but .... they also come true, so Trelawney is affirming those predictions by grading them accordingly!
@Mr. NPC “Right,” said Harry, crumpling up his first attempt and lobbing
it over the heads of a group of chattering first years into the fire.
“Okay . . . on Monday, I will be in danger of - er - burns.”
“Yeah, you will be,” said Ron darkly, “we’re seeing the skrewts
again on Monday. Okay, Tuesday, I’ll . . . erm . . .”
“Lose a treasured possession,” said Harry, who was flicking
through Unfogging the Future for ideas.
“Good one,” said Ron, copying it down. “Because of . . .erm . . . Mercury. Why don’t you get stabbed in the back by some-
one you thought was a friend?”
“Yeah . . . cool . . .” said Harry, scribbling it down, “because . . .
Venus is in the twelfth house.”
“And on Wednesday, I think I’ll come off worst in a fight.”
“Aaah, I was going to have a fight. Okay, I’ll lose a bet.”
“Yeah, you’ll be betting I’ll win my fight. . . .”
1° he fought a dragon so he was in danger of burns
2° Ron was the treasure that had been taken in the second task of the triwizard tournament
3° he thought moody was helping him when actually it was barty Jr so he was betrayed by someone he thought was his friend
4° later he fought voldemort where he didn't actually come worst because he survived but he also didn't win... And if you think about it there were actually more bad things happening than good so also true...
5° I don't remember if there was a bet or something like that but Ron thought that Harry could win the triwizard tournament so it still counts I think
@@mafaldacosta13 It was Ron who was supposed to lose a treasured possession and come off worse in a fight, though
@Abcdefg Well, wasn't Ron jealous because of Krum's intentions to be with Hermione? He actually lost that fight for a moment when Krum went to the ball with her instead of him, and lost a precious object at the same time in that situation.
@@sabrinaestrada9097 that's right, I was a little off on that part 😅 Thank you!
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In the divination essays, Ron and Harry wrote weird futures for themselves like they dreamt of quidditch so they would be eaten by a giant marshmallow. And trelawney loved that. She gave them full marks.
Great video, I think Half-Blood Prince is supposed to be the book where we finally understand her capacity. The chapter title is definitely the final and most obvious clue.
I think Dumbledore's also keeping her safe. Not only is she at risk of exploitation by dark wizards, but she's clearly a danger to herself. She's antisocial, prone to substance abuse, plagued by visions she can't interpret. It's a recipe for self-destruction if she were living alone. Dumbledore is many things, but he's above all compassionate and I think that's the #1 reason she's kept around. Her utility to him is a bonus and also justifies her teaching career, even if she's a bit too dumb to interpret her visions.
As a fun sidebar, she asks Neville to pick a blue one on his second one because he breaks the second cup as well. It's not mentioned what colour he picked first, but she definitely foresaw not one, but TWO broken teacups.
Me at the beginning of the video: I doubt it but let’s hear him out.
Me at the end of the video: **Aggressively re-reads all the books**
I actually have all the books open in different tabs T~T peace was never an option for potterheads
@@Jamilajahankhushbu me
@@Jamilajahankhushbu ebooks and from where
Did you find that Sirius didn’t break into the castle on October 16th, and it was actually Halloween, so that “fortune” was wrong in both the book and in this video?
@@andrewshattuck2675 yep. He broke in on Halloween, not October 16
Speaking of which I noticed some fun "predictions"
When Harry and Ron try to make up some miserable predictions to impress their Professor, they inadvertently foretell the dangers Harry will face throughout the three tasks of the Tri Wizard Tournament. In the first task, he’s “in danger of burns” from the dragon. He will later “lose a treasured possession” for the second task (Ron, who thinks he’ll drown, and ends up not breathing underwater). Finally, Harry is “stabbed in the back” by someone he thought was a friend (Mad Eye Moody/Barty Crouch Jr.) before coming off “worse in a fight” (his duel with Voldemort).
Genius
The last part "worse in a fight" also meant the trama Harry had to endure in the aftermath of Cedric's death.
HOW
The HP fandom is the greatest because we put more thought into theories then our regular lives.
And stabbed in the back by Ron too, twice he walked out when Harry needed him. I found Rons predictions quite accurate. The hippogrith flying way (ron wasnt there when Harry and Herminonie freed him)
6:24 Although non-canon, I always though of Occulus Reparo as a "training spell". Its like when you start teaching kids how to write, you start with non-cursive and then slowly transition to cursive letters. The occulus part of the spell helps fledgling wizards have more focus. I had thought about that before reading the books so learned only after that Occulus Reparo isn't a cannon variation.
Pointing at harry's head while saying 'repairo' without specifying 'occulus' might have been dangerous.
Exactly what I was thinking.
There's a post I see regularly on a couple of Harry Potter fan pages on Facebook saying how each of the students that she says will die, dies during the final battle.
I believe they're right, and with this information, yes Trelawny is correct about her predictions.
@LN And as he says many times Harry does die!
I always took the Grimm to literally be Sirius and Sirius dying.
Same
I think Sirius might have taken on the Grim as kind of a joke. He really did like making fun of serious and morbid things. After all he constantly mocks his super serious family. I think he took on the shape of the Grim purposefully to make it more special and because as a 13 year old he thought it would be really cool to run around as the physical omen of death.
I do think she can tell that Harry is connected to Sirius and how they both are searching for each other.
Sirius is also first to rise at another table of 13
@@MrMarinus18 i don't think you can choose what form you take
its like your patronus
@@kasim7509 I disagree. I think it said somewhere that both he and James chose large animals in order to keep Remus in check.
I feel like the thing about the “Beware a red haired man” is about Parvati, because Lavender and Parvati are Best Friends, in their sixth year Lavender only wants to spend time with Ron, That’s just what I think but the Yule ball one is probably right
Sirius breaking into the castle actually happened on Halloween, it was kind of a big deal because they were all at the feast which, as Ron said, was very lucky because none of them were in the Gryffindor common room, he said Sirius must have lost track of time or he'd have come into the great hall to find Harry. (Although he probably knew it was Halloween and that's why he chose that night, so that he could get Peter while nobody was around.) I only know this because I literally just re-read that scene for what must be the seventh time because the prisoner of Azkaban is my favourite.
But anyway who wouldn't be dreading hearing that their baby rabbit died? It was so young and had so much to live for. If I had to be away from my pet for a year (if I had one) I would dread hearing news of its death.
Thank-you, was looking for this comment. 😊
2:10 "but I am the chosen one"
Hermione: *SMACK*
that delivery from daniel on that line was so awesome.
@@Iggybart05 Most funny moment in the hp movies
As much as that doesn't fit book Harry's character at all, I have to admit that that line was good in the movie context.
That never fails to make me laugh XD There were So Many funny little scenes like that in that movie
One of my favorite interactions between movie Hermione and Harry. Hilarious no matter how many times i see it.
It is an actual trope in writing, “the Shakespearean Fool”. The character will see/predict the future in the book/story, despite never realising this.
It’s the oldest trope in the book, dates back to the illad.
Thanks. I'll put this in my comparative essay on two fantasy books. I think I've found the "fool" in one, but the other seems to be missing one.
I thought is was called "Cassandra Truth..." or "Cloudcuckoolander was Right..."
You broke my whole brain when you said Pettigrew was also at the table. Thank you.
Fun fact Sybil is actually the name for a certain Greek Oracle, oracle's make prophecies & prophecies are never wrong
Actually in Harry Potter (I think it was in the Order of the Phoenix) Dumbledore himself stated that prophecies don’t come true. For example, Harry could have easily backed out of fighting Voldemort or maybe even getting himself killed in an accident that has nothing to do with Voldemort, nullifying the prophecy. Dumbledore even specifically stated to Harry that not every prophecy in the hall of prophecies came true.
I have come to a startling conclusion too, Harry and Ron are both good at divination as well. Throughout the books we see them makes predictions that all come true, from predicting how Riddle got his award, to their entire 4th year.
They only thought they were making up all those assignments where they got good marks. Really they were seeing through their third eye without realizing it
Does this mean I need to read all their false predictyions again first before my next reread?
@@tolkienblack Explain where Harry said, literally anything, like eating or buying shoes, and still they somehow lead to terrible things, but then in I think the 6th book, she suddenly likes him (bc he provoked Umbridge) and says that he will become the minister of magic and get 12 kids.
@@SnowRose-wn6gj That can still happen. He started working as an auror, he's married to Ginny and he's already had 3 of the 12. A peson as famous as him won't have any issues finding any witches wanting to bear his children.
@@Dragon_Lair fair enough, but the minister of magic still seems far-fetched... that is Hermione's job after all, but since (i think) Ministers of magic only get replaced by death, he won't be. Might be wrong though
(After seeing Dumbledore’s death clip four times)
I wonder if Dumbledore dies.........
I dunno... Does he? 🤔😜
*thunder breaking sound*
7:24
Nah he's alive, that corpse just looks like him and has his wand. He obviously just got hit by the green flashlight spell (sounds alot like Avada kedavra) and had the unoticable parachute of invisibility for his little fall :)
Nah he's in the last movie!
**sarcasm**
McGonagall says in Prisoner of Azkaban, that Trelawney predicts a student’s death once a year. She predicts Harry’s death (which turns out true). But my theory is that Trelawney also predicted Cedric Diggory’s and Colin Creevey’s death in their third years. - Cedric dies in Goblet of Fire and Colin dies in Deathly Hallows.
But, Sirius didn't break into Hogwart's on October 16th, he broke in on Halloween while they were at the feast. Ron says "Very lucky he picked tonight, though. The one night we wouldn't be in the tower. I reckon he must've lost track of time being on the run."
The real question is... where can I get some #DracOveralls amiright?
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She's like Cassandra then- cursed to never be believed
She is related to Cassandra
Actually just read the comments to see if anyone would bring this up. 😊
Just what l was thinking.
cameron kilcoyne Notably she is related to Cassandra Trelawney, not the ancient. Greek Cassandra.
Trojan horse all over again
Another thing about the Grim: Ron initially (mis)read it as 'suffering + happyness... so you'll suffer, but you'll be happy about it...'
And both in POA and the rest of the books, we see that Harry suffers, but is also happy. And he is happy about his suffering, because that made him who he is.
I'm actually pretty sure that Sirius broke in on Halloween, it was just the same chapter.
Thank you! I was thinking that same thing
This is true, I just read the chapter and specifically made sure to check that detail.
Professor Trelawney telling Parvati to "beware a red-haired man" but it ended up being a warning for Padma makes me wonder if during the third-year Ravenclaws' first Divination class that year Trelawney predicted something about Padma that ended up happening to Parvati.
the Patels are IDENTICAL twins, she just saw the wrong twin
XD
@@julieeverett7442 they are not identical tho, everyone with eyes can see that they are very different
@100% Bengali It does.
@@ok..9382 Its stated by Hermione in the 4th book that they are identical .
You know if Sirius hadn't met harry that year causing pettigrew to flee to Voldemort none of the later events may have happened. So the grim brought him death... by coincidence
Huh...
@@theamericanyoutuber if sirius hadn't escaped peter petigrew wouldn't have returned to his master out of fear and revived him so in a way sirius the grim was an actual omen of death
I feel like Barty Crouch Jr would have eventually escaped his father and revived Voldemort anyway, it's just Pettigrew sped the process up a bit.
Crouch Jr nearly escaped at the world cup, so it was only a matter of time until he had an escape attempt which was successful.
@@IamGrimalkin true, but he might never have found Voldemort when he did escape. Pettigrew only found him because he could communicate with the rats and they told him of a place they feared. By the time he escaped and found Voldemort Dumbledore might have destroyed most of the horcruxes. But then harry would have still tethered Voldemort to life. And That wouldn't have happened without her first prophesy about harry being true. Basically her speciality is self fulfilling prophecy
It's actually a pretty great, traditional depiction of a seer. The name Cassandra (Sybill's famous ancestor) is from an ancient Greek tragedy where she constantly sees doom approaching but nobody listens to her
love this. I love how JKR wrote trelawney and how you guys interpreted it. One tiny point - Sirius broke into Hogwarts on Oct 31 - while Oct 16 and Lavender's bunny dying was in the same chapter, it was definitely a different date
"...all the impact of two tissues colliding." Good one J. I'm totally using it.
I think that she's just bad at explaining herself
Or she's blessed with the Rowling magic: plot foresight.
I also like that it gives hermione a big flaw, her close-mindedness. "Perfect" characters are boring
Yeah
Maybe prof Trelawney is just not that good around people
Well all examples of good seers literature have always showed them to give their predictions in a cryptic way so maybe it's just comes with the job
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yeah but saitama
My favorite parts in the books that are not in the movie is when Harry said he sees a hippogriff in the crystal ball and Trelawney says “does he happen to have a head” my mom was reading the book to me, and we couldn’t stop laughing
Harry is more Voldemort then Voldemort...
(Harry has more of Voldemort’s soul then Voldemort)
I know, wierd right
I just saw a video that said that...
@@ish-shv4475 yeah matpat said that film theory
Very interesting and convincing!
However: I have a minor quibble with your premise... at a couple points in the video, you ask if Trelawney is actually really good at her job. But... regardless of whether she's actually a good seer, she's still terrible at her job, because her job is to be a teacher. And nobody learns how to divine in her class.
@LN Or at least, that's what Trelawney says. :) But the fact that they have standardized tests (which is what the OWLs are) for divination, indicates that there is, in fact, a way to divine (at least, using tools like crystal balls and tea leaves) that can be taught; Trelawney just wasn't able to teach them properly.
@LN All true. :) But I think an exception can be made for divining through the use of crystal balls or tea leaves. In the case of the former, a crystal ball is a magical device, like a Pensieve is a magical device, and it doesn't take any special ability (beyond being magical) to use a Pensieve. And I think I remember there being a reference to a textbook for Divination that covers rules for how to read tea leaves.
it seems like the student need to respect and believe it first. that's y hermione never gets it. tho i think she did her job bcuz u wouldnt want everyone to be good at divination. also, her prediction cant be avoided so even if u understood it, u still wouldnt b able to change it, like dumbledore. "if u hv to ask u'll never know" kind of things.
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I have always said it in such a way as to rhyme with raft, not loft.
Trelawney was basically Cassandra of Troy except Trelawney actually managed to convince a person to believe one of her prophecies
4:55 Fun fact about that date: The 16th of October is actually the date of J.K. Rowling and her first husband’s wedding. The reason it’s says it’s a day she dreads is because her husband has admitted to being abusive and even kicking her out of the house without their daughter, Jessica. It was at that point she had enough, filed for a divorce and took their daughter with her to England where she was barely able to keep their heads above water as they were very poor (she was still writing the first book at the time.)
The grim IS Serious, and he's the one that dies. That's the tea.
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*Sirius.
And that's actually the prediction that does spook Harry because he's seen the Grim (or rather, Sirius) before at that point. Although idk, because Sirius doesn't die until the next book.
@@sophiejones7727 I mean, eventually Harry does too. And sorry, auto correct doesn't like Harry Potter words
Sophie Jones correction: Sirius doesn’t die until two books later
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Trelawney is legit - Dumbledore AND Snape know this first-hand. Harry knows later after the events of Prisoner of Azkaban. I wish more people stood up for her against doubters like Hermione.
I mean, why would they let her teach anyway if she's a fraud just like Hermione says. She's legit ever since, for predicting the whole book, from Neville and Harry on whoever will be the chosen one, well turns out they both ended Voldemort.
She's legit in that sometimes she goes into trance and actually sees the future. But the stuff she teaches is bogus, divination in Harry Potter is a gift that one is born with, not something that can be taught. So Hermione is right in a way, the stuff Trelawney teaches is all wrong, although Trelawney herself is a valuable person due to her gift (which is why she's allowed to "teach" at the school, Dumbledore wants to keep her around so that whenever she makes a new prophecy he's there to hear it, and also so that evil peopke don't get to take advantage of her gift)
Well they did let the fraud Lockhart in.
@@thefiregodzapp
In the cursed DADA classroom.
Hermione is all about logic and Arithmancy(math magic with rune symbols to explain magic) for someone like her to leap into looking into teacups, cristal balls ,and see the future without any spell just the "feel" is to hard.
I totally agree with you! I‘m so happy I found this video because I‘m tired of people saying she’s just making everything up. Literally, everything she says comes true (if she knows/intends it or not)!!
Also, remember when she told Hermione in PoA ‚your heart is as old as the pages of the books you read‘ that was when Hermione was using the time turner to attend multiple classes at once where she admitted that she was very exhausted and stuff. So Trelawney got that right as well!
I think prediction "something is wrong with your grandmother" could mean that Neville's grandma isn't sick, but she treats Neville pretty badly. Thats what wrong with her.
Edit: I remembered the "prophercy" wrong. Sorry.
Umm, except that she's not really treating him all that harshly IMO... On the other hand "something not right" might indeed mean a LOT of things, including "being upset that his parents are no more," because in all fairness no mother ever recovers from the loss of her child.
She does loose it after Neville looses the passwords for the common-room
That is a pretty easy prediction. I have to tell you that nobody is perfect and there is something always wrong with one chatacter. That is pretty easy.
@@irrelevant_noob Other than trying to make Neville a second Frank...
You know, my sister is a psychologist and she used to run a therapy group consisting of senior citizens who had to become parents to their grandchildren either because of parental death or neglect. It's so difficult and exhausting physcially and emotionally, to have to look after small energetic children when your body is not that young anymore, when it wants to rest. Imagine looking after a child when you're 70, 80 or even 90. Yet they get up every day and they do it, because the orphanage system is not good where I live at all and few people want to adopt an older child. And because they love their grandchildren very much even though they can't give them as many material things as working parents in their prime. Neville's gran is a hero in my book even if she makes mistakes and is too harsh sometimes. Could be a generational thing as well.
The curse of Apollo. The average prediction of a seer is surrounded by doubt.
OMGs yes.
It's curse of Hiddlebottom. Thats her exhusband
*Cough* Cassandra *Cough*
@Charlotte Stringer cassandra was not cursed in the first place . If you have done a background research of Cassandra you must know that she first appeared in this book called cypria ( a book that deals with the cause of trojan war) this book is lost but has fragmented pieces put together. The remaining pieces says that cassandra and her brother both were left in the temple of apollo where two snakes licked their ears causing them to foretell the future . when paris goes to sparta to fetch helen both Cassandra and her brother foretells what was about to happen that is the destruction of the troy later on she appears in illiad in this book too she is not mentioned to be cursed . The whole Cassandra was cursed story was written by aeschylus in which cassandra promised to apollo to make love to him if he gives her the power of prophecy she agreed but upon getting the gift she refused and got her prophetic power back now , cypria and illiad two books that first mentions her were written around 7Bc while aeschylus wrote his story , agamemnon in 4BC (300) years after them . So aeschylus made the curse part for drama as he is a tragidian . Cassandra wasn't cursed nor mad and Apollo didn't curse her
I mean, I always saw her as being good at prophecy but bad at interpretation and also really weird; is the prevailing view not that both she and Luna were unjustly dismissed while right? But seriously, I figure this must be common with prophets and diviners. If it didn't work, the art wouldn't be respected by centaurs and taught at Hogwarts; if it was actually clear enough that it was obvious who was good and who was a quack, anyone able to teach it there would also be respected. Trelawney's very position indicates that many diviners are good, many are useless, and it isn't at all clear which is which.
While that is true, another thing is that she is related to a Cassandra, which is the name of a prophet from Greek mythology that was cursed with the ability to make true prediction but is never to be believed.
I bet Trelawny's a ravenclaw!
@@xCellinax she is a ravenclaw
@@6MoonQueen9 Ha, nice. Never knew it until now :D.
“That thing you fear will happen on October 16th.” Sirius attacked on Halloween, not the 16th. What I think Lavender is *actually* scared of is divination being a worthless class, which Hermione attempted to prove that day.
I mean in greek mythology, the seer Cassandra was cursed for her predictions to never be believed. Didn't Trelawney say she was a descendant of Cassandra?
When he said 'Serious knack' and 'Serious lack', I was certain he was going to make a Sirius Black pun.
Also don't forget... the Grim was actually Sirius Black... and he dies.. (~2.5 years later)
Are you Sirius!?
Same
That was a Sirius missed opportunity.
Ok I was Siriusly waiting for that to happen.
Well, there's one in every series- you think they're crazy, but really?
Exactly. Or someone will say something as a joke, but you find out later that it is totally correct.
@@tomleonard830 Ron Jokes = will happen. Hermione serious about something...watch for it later...
True. For game of thrones, it was patchface. Sadly never made it into the show, even though he connected a lot of major characters.
Well 2... Luna
Like Yoda or jar jar
The red haired man could also be the fox that kills her rabbit
Oooooooooooo
Oh gad ur eight
It can't be because 1: Trelawney said this to Lavender, 2: It says MAN, and I doubt Trelawney would confuse a man and fox, and 3: She said what you were dreading, so no.
One my second read through of the books I never thought Trelaney was a fraud at all, I thought about all the predictions she made and they made sense too me and they came true mostly. I've thought for years now that Trelawney deserved more respect as a character
Just like her ancestor Cassandra, she seems to share the curse of never being believed.
The more vague your prediction, and the more time passes since your prediction, the more likely it is to eventually come true. Especially if you’re loose with the logic/meaning
That is the purpose of prophecy. When the time comes to a character, prophecies come into play so that it is fully recognized.
@BHuang92 What is the point of a prophecy if one can only recognise its meaning AFTER the thing it predicted had already happened? Isn't the purpose of divination to figure the future out beforehand in order to prepare for it?
@@exantiuse497 If you are preparing or trying to alter a prophecy then either its not a prophecy or it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy so not a prediction at all. That is why Doctor Strange knew what would happen but could not tell anybody coz then the future he saw wouldnt happen. People can alter that destiny instead of it happening naturally. Its quite philosophical.
Even the voldemort prophecy, if he heard the full thing he could violate it rendering it false.
The entire reason the Simpsons have "predicted” so much stuff
@@billyharris6196 Like Trump being president? That's a real vague one.
HAVE WE SEEN THE BLOOD PACT BEFORE?
In order of the phoenix,when harry and the weasley are clearing out 12 grimmauld place, there's a silvery opal filled with something harry thinks looks like blood.
This is just a theory but I'd love to see a video on it
Wow that’s interesting, I don’t recall that. I’m gonna have to reread the books at some point soon because I’ve forgotten a lot.
I was gonna do that whole summer Harry Potter book-a-thon in 2016, but I got so burnt out from my disappointment in Cursed Child I couldn’t bring myself to do it.
Watch fantastic beast gridawald but I dont remember the real movie name
It's on pg. 106 in book 5! It described as a bottle but considering how thick harry can be, it still fits. I like this theory
I thought it was a bottle filled with blood?
We also see a reference to the locket horcrux in OotP
She’s just someone who doesn’t understand symbolism, like us in English class where the teacher asks us to find deeper meanings. She just doesn’t get it but she still has the gift so of course she’s still going to use it and share it with others.
The Knave of Spades can be Harry as well!
I was amazed when you explained how Draco fits into int he role of the knave, because for me it was clear that it was Harry. Now I think the whole scene is even more brilliant because it can be related to both of them!
Harry could be dark because 1) he has dark hair and 2) because of the horcrux within him. He is troubled basically all the time. And he definitely dislikes Trelawney, the questioner.
It's even funnier since she predicts the last park in exactly the moment she stops in front of Harry.
That's..actually a good point
She was literally never wrong,its just that her predictions happened later on instead of recently
Other than her knowing hermonie would leave the class
She had said that later one of us would leave her forever and later hermoine drops divination so in a matter she leaves...
Me: *sees the title* Ha, don’t make me laugh.
Me at the end of the video: Wow, this is a good theory!
Me on every SCB video ever!
You must be new here.
I see this comment in every SCB theory video ever
Literally every time 😂 these guys are g o o d
My theory:
Due to the lack of seers in wizarding society, and the skipping of generations, Trelawney has never learned how to interpret what she sees. She is clearly knowledgeable of her subject, and was a former Ravenclaw. It is interesting! Perhaps the imprecise nature of the subject relates to more than what is said. Many seers in mythology present vague prophecies that can be interpreted in a myriad of ways. However, how does Trewlaney's trance work? What magic is this? Or, is it connected to something beyond comprehension?
I’m fairly certain in the book it says Sirius got into the castle on October 31st, not October 16th. Though I guess you could argue that she was close enough in her prediction
".... And if that doesn't qualify as Grave Danger, I don't know what does.."
*Harry tied to the grave stone*
....Probably this!?
Angel Ibrahim only after your comment I realised he’s tied to a GRAVE lol lol
When I heard him say “grave danger” like that I was bracing for this exact pun only to be disappointed that they missed out on it. I thought for sure we were gonna hear Ben in the background say something like “but wasn’t Harry literally in mortal danger while tied to a gravestone though?”
Impressive observation 😮
I have been saying this for years now. Trelawney is actually right quite often. Just no one ever realized it or put it together. It's nuts when you actually pay attention to everything she's said and how much was actually correct eventually. 🤟🏻😳 #HogwartsIsMyHome #ProudSlytherin 🐍⚡
To prove THIS in another way: If Trelawney were Totally a Fraud, i.e. NO Talent and Valueless in all aspects, J K Rowling would NOT have written her in almost Every Book at almost Everybody's Inconvenience, esp both the characters in the book and readers, as well as Kept Hinting readers through Professor Dumbledore, Correct?! So, she probably actually should be the Special or the Best Seer in her Family Blood Line!
I've been saying the same thing myself. I never understood why people think she was always wrong except for "The Prophecy" because she actually was always right. I had even forgotten about the lightning-struck tower and knave of spades.
Tyler Messer it’s also interesting to think that Ron is a great Seer too. He saw a fountain in Harry’s tea cup, translated that to mean Harry was going to acquire a lot of wealth, and then asked him if he could have some of it. Furthermore, Harry wrote down in his daily dream book that he would fight a dragon (he does battle a Hungarian Horntail).
@@abdulrahmantabbaa1644 yeah, and let's not forget about when Ron told Harry that he would die but would be happy about. He did die( or technically voldemorts soul did) and he was happy about it cuz he was able to defeat voldemort.
The key is "eventually" and how much credit one gives for that.
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I like the take on Parvati and Padma! I've always interpreted it as Parvati having a problem with Ron as her best friends boyfriend (who in the end makes Lavender quite unhappy).
#Bestkeptsecretever! Sybill is fantastic at predicting future events but horrible at understanding her predictions. To be fair, seeing time so scattered and uncontrolled would confuse even the sharpest of minds.
especially considering some of her predictions happen days or minutes later, and other years later
@@clarissestanford I'm pretty sure the books even say she lacks the gift of interpretation
Except, maybe, for "The Timeless Child".
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith shush we do not speak of that curse
@@Phantom6.6.6 The "Timeless Child" I am referring to is Gallifreyan and can travel THROUGH time to get the MOST accurate predictions. Even better than the Sibyl's.
I always liked her. Her class reminded me of those teachers in school that didn't have anything in their life in order and couldn't teach you anything ... but that you still liked and enjoyed their classes in a weird way.
It's interesting to hear about how she could have been right xD
also (at least in the movie) in the 3rd film during the tea leaf reading when Ron gives his prediction about Harry, he says (something along the lines of) 'you're going to suffer but you'll be happy about it' and this ends up true as well. In Deathly Hallows he goes to die to save them all. (theres probably other scenarios where he does something similarly sacrificial but I cant recall at the moment).
I love how Hermione vehemently denies that divination is a real discipline, but ancient runes are fascinating, when studying runes IS a form of divination. Just like using a pendulum, or even a magic 8 ball.
So in greek mythology there is a girl named Cassandra she is pyram and hecuba's daughter. She was cursed by Apollo to have all knowing sight, but to never be believed. Perhaps JK drew from that idea?
Sybil's gret grandmother was named Cassandra Trelawney, so I think J.K. did draw inspiration from the myth.
I thought it was Apollo but yes, she spurned his affection so he gave her the gift of prophesy as a gift, she wasn't at all pleased and continued spurning him so she was cursed so that no-one would ever believe her, she even predicted her death at Queen Clytemnestra hands and couldn't do anything about it.
@@acedragon1456 you are right, it was Apollo!! Thank you for correcting me!!!
@@marybr5154 I think it's so cool how many little things she added like that
@@jessieharrington784 yeah! When you grow up you see that she was really carefull with all the details. 😀
"That hit Harry with the impact of two paper tissues colliding." 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The part about dumbldore being the first to leave and first to die completely blew my mind
My grandma had been cursed by a witch at the age of twelve.
72 years later: She dies of cancer.
Coincidence I think not.
Is this a joke?
愛glitchling what do you mean?
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Omg the prophecy came true!
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Would be a cool coffee mug where it looks like the grim in dregs printed on the inside of the mug. 👍
What's the Grim?
@@gicomaro9853 are you kidding
@@Giveuponyourdreamsanddie2 ahahaha have you seen the movie, at that exact scene?
@@gicomaro9853 yeah
I reckon Dumbledore always knew how good she was but discreetly encouraged the belief that she's a has bean to every suspicion
Gabriel Hacker I like this! Her abilities could be bad in the wrong hands. Don't want the truth getting out that she really is good or she'd always be at risk.
Yeah, he hired her after hearing her prophecy about harry/neville, which she made as he was about to leave after interviewing her. He wasn't going to hire her before he heard that
In early Goblet of fire "The thing you dread" could also be Voldemort's return and he also is troubled at the time.
I think the Knave of Spades is reffering to Harry: Voldemort's soul is troubled and Harry doesn't like Professer Trelawnley
Or it could be Riddle from the memories shown by Dumbledore, Riddle a dark-haired boy, who dislikes the questioner (Marvolo Gaunt who questions Riddle's simlilarities to his muggle father/ Young Slughorn, who questions Riddle intentions to find out about Horcrux/ Dumbledore who questions him when Riddle returns to Hogwarts to apply for the DADA )
Thanks for the video. I've been saying this stuff for years. Trelawney rocks. Even in the battle for Hogwarts she's hurling crystal balls at empty space to hit Death Eaters as they round corners and come into view. Also, really fast. Ron and Harry both predict everything that happens in Goblet of Fire in reverse order. Super happy with the Trelawney love.
I've always loved Trelawney. Even before she was important... Was so glad Emma Thompson was cast in the movies... She's my totem soul-wizard (instead of animal).
Ron and Harry predict Goblet of Fire in reverse order? I need more info on this. Which book do I need to re-read?
@@DeuceBooty I think he's talking about when they're making their homework up. Pretty sure Ron mentioned boiling Voldemort (or someone else) in a couldron
potato Is it cannon that Ron may have Divination abilities? Trelawly is sort of muddled and often so is Ron. And I can see how a divination ability could be useful on the Quidditch pitch.
@@RLucas3000 I don't think it's cannon but it is an interesting theory for sure. :)
That was actually really great.
The fun thing is though, that not only is she incapable of interpretating her predictions, most of them are SO generic that they are of no use to anyone.
Harry being in mortal danger? Well, he's been in this school for two years and has faced death twice already, plus Voldemort in general.
Beware of the red-haired man? She's a Gryffindor, hanging around a whole bunch of Weasleys all the time. One of them could just randomly be rude to her at some point in time and it would be fullfilled.
Whether Lavender has been afraid of Sirius Black or not, she could have just lost her bracelet that day or fell down the stairs or anything.
And predicting death in general? Well, all people die at some point, so... easy :D
As in Percy the Prefect, pranking Weasley Twins, Bad-Date-Ronnie... there IS a reason to beware all of them I'd say...
And he is playing quidditch his live is in danger every time he tains or has a match
I always thought her to be like a comparison between ‘real’ sooth sayers and the magical world. The magical world is so fantastic that this art, or actual occult practices, makes her seem like a hack of a teacher whereas the other magical studies are clearly very magical.
I always interpreted that the "dark young man who dislikes the questioner" was referring to Harry literally hiding as she was walking by. He's a dark (haired) young man, possibly troubled (always), who dislikes Trelawney. But this is for sure a more foreshadowed take on it!
The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Sybill Trelawney, Witch
I hated them for throwing out volume 2.
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akjsjstdshb great reference!
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I always assumed the 'dark young man, possibly troubled, one who dislikes the questioner' was Harry (because he was walking by at the time) and that Trelawney was the questioner (asking questions of the cards)
Me too...
That's what I thought as well.
Yes but Draco has the DARK mark
Could be either.
The reading was interrupted as she was close to Harry. That's why she said "That can't be right." It was Draco until then.
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