The Try Guys Body Language Analysis From Their Video "what happened."
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The remaining three Try Guys (Eugene Yang, Zach Kornfeld & Keith Habersberger) released a video addressing the recent scandal involving Ned Fulmer and Alex Herring titled "what happened." This is a nonverbal and body language analysis of the video.
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Eugene is very close friends with Ned’s wife, which I’m sure adds to his anger.
Oh that makes so much sense
As is Becky (Keith's wife) from my understanding. I imagine that's why Keith looks so worn out and dissappinted; he's dealing with his friends betrayal, his business's reputation, and his partner's emotions all at once. Keith always gave me the sense that he is the shoulder to cry on among his circle and I imagine he is overwhelmed by all of the hurt from this situation.
Eugene's partner, Matt, is super close with Ariel too. They must both be soooooo mad. I would be.
not only that, but iirc, eugene is a child of divorce caused, in part, by his father being unfaithful to his mother. (i could be wrong though, 'cause i read it online and you know what they say about reading things on the internet)
so if that's true then it's probably bringing up a LOT of feelings with that.
And, his own parents got divorced which undoubtedly left wounds that this situation reopened
It was quite clear to me, a regular person (not in anyway good at reading people), that Eugene was very angry, Zach was sad, and Keith was disappointed.
Why you here?
@@arifike what do you mean?
@@nathanolson3135 You must be fun at parties.
You do realize that Observe is a professional, right?
He'd be the first to spot scripted emotion.
@@nathanolson3135 wow are you a RUclipsr because you spitting a lot a bull
@@nathanolson3135 Of course they rehearsed it, they went through hell to prepare for this statement. Plus wouldn’t it make sense for them to be angry/sad since they’re addressing the one guy who’s actually at fault, their friend who jeopardized their projects and had to fire?
I think it's important to note that Eugene is the only try guy from divorced parents, so I'm sure he also understands more fully what this could mean for the Fulmer kids.
Oh good point
Yes. On one of their episodes (lie detector maybe?) when asked if he thought Ned’s marriage would last, he said something along the lines of “No. I mean it probably yes but no-that’s probably my baggage, being the child of divorced parents.”
Absolutely that was my first thought
And its so much worse for the fulmer kids not only do they have to deal on dad cheating on mum and parents possibly seperating but the entire world knows and is talking about it...can you imagine what school is like for them now?!?! Makes me so angry
@@EmiFromMars Mercifully, I don't think either of the Fulmer kids are old enough for school at the moment, so they wouldn't be subjected to bullying by ignorant classmates at this time. By the time they are old enough for school, hopefully this will have been forgotten about (and I hope they never have mean classmates that go digging this up just to hurt them).
The other reasons why Eugene is likely upset is that one, he came from a divorced household himself, so he knows how that can and will affect Ned and Ariel's children. And two, Eugene has said in the past how much he admired Ned as a husband and father, so it's like Ned stepped all over the admiration.
Good point
The feeling of betray resonates the most in Eugene. Hope all our lovely guys, their families and their employees heal from this awful situation xx
This makes me so sad
aw man, I didn't even think of that:(
If Eugene is still at this level of angry after weeks of sitting with the news and dealing with the fallout and consequences, I can’t begin to imagine how he reacted when he found out
Well also to add they were the ones who had to come out & make a statement, and explain what happened. Ned posted one note on insta even using the same font to make it look like it was all coordinated. He’s the one who could have potentially destroyed their company & didn’t have to clean up any of it. Alls he has to do is hide from the internet bc he probs got payed out, & try to become a better man for Ariel . Unfortunately he made this follow them forever !
I really hope he did smack the shit out of him too bc words don’t do shit, this video & their looks are to also too hopefully add more shame onto ned - bc I bet he probs didn’t care about what was gonna happen to him or the company it was already selfish to cheat
Its like when I found out that my best friend at the time cheated on her boyfriend, also my friend.
I wouldn't be so angry if she hadn't comforted me when I was cheated on and like Eugene - being a child of divorce and coming from a broken home where each parent "got back" at eachother- I was pissed, told her to tell him in 3 days or I will, she didn't so I told him and I ghosted her for good.
These people will dump you if a shinier model shows interest.
I would imagine the increased anger over time is due to finding out all the secondary and tertiary ramifications have resulted. The initial shock is bad enough, realizing over time the totality of everything this has cost everyone, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets angrier.
@@erinn9561 I mean they likely HAD to buy him out.
the phrase “if looks could kill” I’ve never seen so clearly demonstrated in a genuine matter
I said the same thing. 😬
I know. It felt his eyes the entire time. God bless anyone who crosses him.
I felt the same way, like I’d want Eugene in my corner and not someone I’d ever want to go up against. All three of them are people who I wouldn’t want to have to go against, I also appreciated how raw and genuine this video was… like other people might’ve tried to like power thru it without any kind of emotion leaking over.
genuinely LMAO it's both funny but also obviously heartbreaking because eugene looks so distraught and angry
and this is weeks after they found out. I'm surprised Ned is still alive. Eugene has great control.
They were also literally physically tired. Keith was on tour when he found out, Zach and Eugene also had projects they had to scrap in order to get this legal review going and they have admitted to losing so much sleep, understandably.... They were angry, drained and literally so tired.
Even Zach mentioned that he's lost 10 pounds in a month from the stress
@@shelby6 That was Miles
Zach and Miles both lost weight while Keith gained (all of this from stress causing disordered eating and sleep cycles). They're all so very tired and I truly hope they can get some real rest soon
Also I’d imagine the elevated stress absolutely messed with Zach’s chronic pain, and I’m pretty sure he did comment on that in the podcast
@@applepeachbirdduckmaster801 yes! Miles lost ten pounds. Zach commented on the strain on his back (& bowels), also likely losing weight because he mentioned he wasn't working out anymore (he's been on a journey to gain muscle weight) and Keith said he ate his feelings and gained a lot of weight.
what people forget is that Zach, Keith, and Eugene's partners are all very very close with Ariel. so not only did the guys lose a friend and business partner, but they also are now dealing with the anger and sadness of their partners. Ned really fucked up literally everything here.
I mean I think they were also close to Ariel.
Not only that, but they couldn't even be open about what was happening to their employees as to not risk making a mistake they could be sued for, they had to talk in legal jargon [which they still do] through a very emotional situation.
But in truth everyone helped support each other. Zach and Keith talked a little bit about it on the podcast, in how helpful their partners have been in navigating all of this, especially Zach mentioned Becky [Keith's wife] being a lifeline for him during last month, as well as Matt [Eugene's partner]. They've known each other for a long time, as well as each others partners, I have no doubt they all consider each other family, which is why this must be so painful for all of them.
The crew helped in every way that they could, considering they put the pieces together on their own way before anyone else did.
@@NoThankUBeQuiet The difference is that they were closer to Ned, not Ariel. Except Eugene. He and his partner were closer to Ariel.
I wonder if the pssy was worth all of this sh1t show
The look on Eugene’s face was so intense that I felt like I was in trouble. I hate that they even had to make a video to get ahead of it all. I can’t imagine how shitty they must feel because of Neds actions. He did this knowing it could ruin his career and marriage. It’s just stupid and really really disrespectful. People make mistakes but he had a lot more of a higher risk of losing the respect of those in his life and he just didn’t care.
He did whatever he did with the knowledge he was risking EVERYONES career. The other 3 "guys" with whom, as Eugene states they had spent 8 years working to build a brand and he betrayed all of them with his actions. On top of the other Guys, I think that Keith said in the video that they have a staff of 20 employees. So he was not just risking ruining his own career, as well as potentially destroying his family, he was also putting that risk, and the livelihoods of 23 other people at risk.
It isn't the cheating that is even the biggest issue in so many ways, even though that is bad, and is very sad, hugely hypocritical seeing as he was the "My Wife" guy, and deeply painful for the people immediately affected by those actions.
The bigger issue though as far as I understand isn't the cheating. It is the power disparity, that ned had over the one person I am aware that he cheated with, and all the legal and ethical ramifications of that. He was in a position of authority so even if a snog/one night stand/fling/full blown affair occurred and was technically consensual, the massive power imbalance of a manager, founder, basically the boss of the company, and an employee... that's bad. Don't do that.
I mean, just look at what Eugene briefly mentioned about the amount of people they'd immediately had to involve to basically conduct an investigation and effectively call a workplace audit on their own company!
It is so much more than just "a cheating scandal" or whatever.
I do agree though, the look on Eugene's face, felt like he was going to burn laser holes from inside my screen!
Glad to know I'm not the only one. I barely even know of these guys and he had my anxiety up.
@@theinvisibleneonrainbowzeb2567 yeah, what's worse is that Ned was acting as HR at one point. So he absolutely, without a doubt, knew what the fuck he was doing by having a relationship with a subordinate employee and not notifying HR. He knew he was putting the company in danger by doing that. Because if Alex had been fired for ANY reason during the time that she had a relationship with Ned. She could turn around and sue the company for sexual misconduct or for wrongful termination. So Ned was risking a lawsuit towards the company with his affair. Which wouldn't have been a thing if he just had an affair with some random person who was not connected to the company. So yeah, the cheating was shitty and hypocritical and very gross but it's the tiniest part of the actual malestrom of drama that's happening. This unfortunately isn't just a normal cheating scandal it's much deeper and worse for the try guys as a company.
They said on the try guys podcast that they had to be VERY careful and do things 100% by the book. They couldn't rush anything. They couldn't say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing for fear of opening themselves up to a lawsuit. They had to be patient with the actions that they took, basically. Which is why it took them about a month to announce anything because they had to wait for the internal review to be 100% completed before they made a public announcement about anything. But during that month fans turned into little detectives and we're digging into stuff that they couldn't get ahead of, unfortunately.
@@AnxietyRat Oh dear, wow yeah that makes it even worse that he was or had been working in HR, and there's no way that he was not aware of the severity of his actions. Mr Yale graduate, and "my wife" man, who was working as HR either before or during the indiscretions and he still did this. His behaviour seems ever shittier the more I learn. The actual cheating is, as you said (and with more details, knowledge and information about the legalities than I have) the tiniest part of the actual maelstrom of horrendous misconduct, abuse of power and seemingly utter disregard of his (former) colleagues, employees, brand, company, reputation, relationships, everything basically.
I don’t know WHAT he was thinking! Whatever it was, it was fucking short sided. Or maybe he just didn’t care either way. Fucking wild behavior.
With Eugene, he usually masks his sadness and hurt with anger, and I think that not only him but Matt (Eugene's boyfriend) are close to Ariel and he didn't just have a best friend relationship with Ned, but was close to his wife and his kids which all the guys were. And that it did effect so many people and their jobs. If I were the guys I'd be sad and angry too. I hate that not only did they lose a work partner, they lost a best friend, cause I don't see them being friends after this. In the podcast, Keith and Zach did say that Ariel is still part of the podcast with Maggie and Becky but that they are giving her time to figure out if that's something she still wants to do and her own stuff. Even though they lost Ned, I hope Ariel doesn't choose to end her friendships with all of the guys and Maggie and Becky.
💯 Eugene looks so sad to me more than anything. I definitely thinks he’s masking it
@@jennifersoriano778 oh for sure. Just so hurt. 🥺
I know that all of them are going through a lot with all of this, but to me it feels like Eugene is taking it a little harder or at least harder in some aspects than what the others may be taking it. And that hurts my heart. I feel for Ariel, her kids, and the guys.
Well, Ariel chooses Ned and her family, she won't stay friends with anyone
@@NatalieD1 that’s not necessarily true, but it would make the friendships harder right at first. She is likely still be friends with them because they are all very close and are her biggest support system next to family.
As a person who tends to mask sadness with anger, I can imagine how Eugene feels. Is like discovering that my dad cheated on my mom all over again lol 🥴
Plus now Ned’s kids are going through all of this and it’s pretty much exactly what Eugene’s dad did to him and his family when he was a kid AND he’s really close to Ariel. I totally understand why he’s piiiiiissed
Eugene looks so sad to me more than anything. I definitely thinks he’s masking it
Found out I may be the result of an affair right around the same time this came out. It's been both sickening and painful and cathartic
Or he could actually just be mad. Anger is a stage of grief.
Sorry you're going through that. :( I believe as mental health research keeps improving, people will cheat less (or at least, learn to communicate better first with their partner). Things get better.
I was hoping you'd cover this. Eugene looked like he was ready for murder, Zach looked like he was going to cry, and Keith just looked so disappointed. Ned threatened everyone's livelihood .. for an affair. Mr "I Love My Wife". I am so sad for Ariel, the kids, Will (Alex's former fiance), and all those personally effected by what has happened. He was careless and selfish and didn't bother to think about the consequences of his behavior. I think this has been handled the best way possible given the circumstances. My respect has only gone up for them.
Eugene looks like that always 😂 but that's why we love him
@@jovana_kocic I haven’t watched them in a while, but I used to be an avid fan. I feel like Eugene’s face normally is more stony and more calm. In this video it looks to me like he’s trying to restrain himself in expressing emotions, rather than a lack of emotions
Maybe they could also Cover the Tripods Episode about this. That is not scripted and they adress this statement being scripted too.
He wasn't careless though,he WAS selfish, and he didn't give a damn who he hurt in the process. I feel like everything he ever said was a lie because he lied about who he was and what he values from day 1.
Everything he did was calculated, especially his meek Mr. Dad persona, and he started this at the most vulnerable time with a brand new kid just barely out in the world.
The sneaking around, not even well, was calculated. His lies were calculated. Nothing he says can be trusted ever again!
Whose Alex? I've been gone for a few years....😅
Ned said and believed his marriage was better than Keiths in a lie detector episode, that may be where the superiority expression is coming from because Ned has proved himself wrong and that Keiths marriage is actually superior.
I thought the same
No one’s marriage is superior to another. Each are what they are. I find that very egotistical to think someone’s marriage is “superior.”
@@daCubanaqt I'm curious why you say that. Some relationships are absolutely healthier, more productive, more solid, longer lasting.... all of those things could be considered superior when it comes to a marriage. I believe a marriage full of lies, abuse, and betrayal is inferior to a marriage full of honesty, trust, and mutual respect in most people's minds.
@@daCubanaqt Well that's just silly. What you are saying is that a marriage where partners abuse each other is no worse than a marriage where partners support and love each other. It's nonsensical. You must know that.
Thinking about who Ned is, that could have also been shade towards Keith's wife.
Eugene’s anger is palpable, he just radiates wrath like he is the fifth horsemen, Ned better hide.
Right? I think I was less than a minute into the video when I said out loud (to no one) "Eugene looks PISSED. 😳" Then the next day everyone was talking about how angry he looks. His face in this video is like the epitome of anger. It's sad. 😔
I kinda wanna leave Ned and Eugene alone in a room for 5 minutes. At the very least, it'll be therapy for Eugene 😉
You realize this isn't fiction right?
Like, these are real people
Keith: *Disappointed*
Zach: *Sad*
Eugene: “He’s dead to me”
Eugene's angry face makes me terrified. If it ever happens that i meet him, i know what not to do. Don't. Make. Him. Angry.
We couldn’t make him this angry if we tried. That’s part of the heart break and betrayal is that trust and shattered image of what you thought was real.
I met them on the Legends tour. I had been in line for a long time so did not prolong the meet. It was not long after Eugene's coming out video. I shook Zach, Keith and Ned's hands, but I lightly touched Eugene's forearm and told him "You are worthy!"
His big grin and "Thank you!"
I couldn't stand to hurt any of them, but Eugene is just learning to trust and believe. He didn't need this in his life.
I don’t think it’s easy to anger Eugene. That’s why his anger is so strong now.
I just love that you have the Balrog as your profile pic 😅
I think the biggest things to remember when it comes to these guys is;
1) They looked up to Ned and Ariel and their marriage and they've started long term relationships through the years, one resulting in marriage and one on the way. Essentially it'd be like having close family members suddenly separate or divorce.
2) Eugene is the child of divorced parents and that's deeply traumatizing to every child. He's said in past videos how he doesn't really believe in true love or that all marriages will last etc... When he started a long term relationship and moving in together with his current partner I had wondered if his heart was healing a bit and he was starting to believe in love and relationships... and then this happens. I imagine it must bring up so many insecurities and bad memories from his parent's divorce. Also, he strikes me as incredibly loyal and it takes a lot to earn his trust so this betrayal cut deep.
3) They all know Ariel very well and all of their partners are also close to Ariel as well...she's not disconnected and she's actually an employee of the company as well.
4) Ned and Ariel were at Keith and Becky's wedding. It'll be very difficult to look at some of their wedding photos and video footage now as Buzzfeed basically sponsored the wedding
5) They were together for 8 years working besides each other, starting a buisness, hanging out, supporting one another etc. They spent an incredible amount of time together and obviously were very close so to learn of such a betrayal going on for over a year would be like the rug being pulled out from under their feet
Being together 8 years and they can still throw him out like trash?
@@Mibebe59 Yup. And I'd do the same. His betrayal cuts deep enough it'd be like he cut off one of your ears or something. It is not a minor thing, it completely shook their world, their friendships and family and their future.
@@Mibebe59 His betrayel affects them as well. They have a bussines together and he decided to cheat with their employee. They themselves lose out on money because of the selfish decisions Ned made. So of course they are gonna throw him out like the trash he is.
@@Mibebe59 they don't have a choice. He engaged in an affair with a subordinate. There's no consent there because the power dynamics are so messed up when that happens. It opens the company up to litigation from other employees and not just the people involved so they had to fire him
@@Mibebe59 Being together for 8 years and Ned can betray their trust and risk everything they built like trash?
My director always said that he would rather see an actor trying NOT to cry than an actor trying TO cry. It makes it more authentic.
Ooh I hate that too. They me make the voice and face but there are no tears. Please stop! 🤦🏾
Exactly, these guys are actors. There’s a video from some British guy where he shares hear say/actual evidence these three and the try guys staff knew this affair had been going on for 5 or 6 months which I believe.
@@SH-sq6pz link?
The channel name is markie
I'm so glad you said something. Zach was being too Over-the-top Disney Channel acting.
They posted the podcast today. It only has Zach and Keith (and Myles) but it's more casual and unscripted, and they go into more about their personal and emotional experience with the situation. Would love to see an analysis of that too
Link?
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Came to say this! This would be great@
The moments I found most notable were the times Eugene had to pause to rein himself back in because he felt himself getting too emotional. Those really emphasized what you said about the guys holding back their emotion; I’m surprised you didn’t address them specifically.
ETA: I’m also surprised you didn’t address their initial/general body language. Is Eugene’s posture with the horizontally crossed leg a blocking gesture? Is Keith’s arm over the back of the sofa an attempt to be more casual? A way to support Zach? Both? Neither?
I read Keith's arm over the back of the sofa as an attempt to support Zach personally. From the podcast they revealed the only one that happened to be in the office to steer the ship happened to be Zach because of incredibly poor timing, so he had to be the one calling the lawyers and working shit out, only being able to talk to Keith and Eugene through the phone.
Out of all of them, Zach has to be the most tired, so it would make sense that Keith would want to make him more comfortable, even if subconsciously. As well, they seemed to be the first try guys to befriend each other. Idk if they were friends before, but from Zach's own words, "Keith and I were already tight", so they've been friends for quite a while.
With the way he's leaning to Zach, and the closeness of those two especially, I think it is an attempt to comfort Zach.
Definitely comes off as comforting/protecting Zach.
@@LoreCatan yep. I watched it. poor dude.. I am glad he did handle it like a champ though.
The little that could be seen of Keith’s right hand… it looked to be in a fist for most of the video
I've seen this a bunch of times already, but it still amazes me how (relatively) calm Eugene sounds despite his body language screaming how angry he really is.
It was so clear from the word go what these guys were feeling. And what’s interesting is that all their emotions contrast to what they’re usually like:
Keith is the goofy one, but was super serious, solemn and disappointed here. Zach is the giggly happy one, but he’s very much on the verge of tears, you can hear it in his voice. Finally, Eugene is the mysterious one who is cool, but doesn’t show much emotion (at least compared to the other guys), but here, his restrained anger is in full display. Wishing everyone well
Honestly. I really think they were tactful and coordinated with a dash of their real feelings in a human way... I actually want to watch them again after 5ish years of not watching because these three are very genuine in a crisis.
I agree
They did as much as I believe they legally could. I'm glad they did that much
When Zach first starts looking more angry is when Eugene mentions the lawyers - based off of their podcast, Zach was the one who had to deal with most of the managing the legal side of the situation, so that makes sense as well
Eugene was the furious dad, Keith was the disappointed dad, and Zach was the child affected by the divorce.
Eh Keith looks guilty to me… it’s uncomfortable but I can’t shake it
@@Laughingpossum I think what you are reading is Keith feeling bad for the fans and his staff. He explained more on the podcast that he experienced anxiety even for guests that appeared on their channel, that they might be affected by this scandal. He is worrying about others and "feeling guilty" that people could be hurt merely by associating with their company. It's a huge burden he placed on himself, and it's not even his to carry, he is carrying the weight of the guilt that should be Ned's. I hope Keith realizes that is not his burden to bear.
@@brynbailey7132 I get that. I just watched the podcast and I thought he seemed very sincere. But his body language in this video is just off putting…
PLUS I know he made some close-to-home jokes about cheating around Ned for a while that makes me tend to think he knew for a while and just didn’t say anything.
@@Laughingpossum The thought I had was that maybe Ned either has cheated or maybe just flirted with others before, but the employee one was too far, because it could destroy their company. It just adds 20 extra layers of awful.
Though I'm so proud and amazed about Zach's leadership skills at the company when dealing with N's major eff up.
In their podcast today, Zach said what they were really all feeling when filming that was simply exhausted
You can really see that in Keith imo
For me I think the biggest hurt came from the fact that Ned didn't just throw away his career and relationships, but put 20+ people's lives in jeopardy and the company as a whole. Not to mention the financial burden Ned caused by his actions.
I applaud them for how they handled this and how quickly. I just feel so sorry for the company and the guys.
Eugene's "how can you be so stupid and jeopardised all of our hardwork because you couldn't keep it in your pants" look...
This is so sad. Eugene had an amazing coming out video. He talked how difficult sharing himself was.. they all did. Zach made me want to cry.. and Keith... just seems betrayed... not in a way that he knew but more of someone who is dissapointed in himself for not noticing anything... maybe for trusting to much. I wish them the best of luck. Hopefully they keep pushing and then do an evolution video in a year.
I agree. I think one of the reasons he isn't showing as much anger is because he is turning it onto himself. Been there. It sucks.
Everyone's talking how eugene is the scariest but for me Keith is. Eugene and Zach's faces you could sense the emotions already and you know what to expect at the very least yet Keith's pretty steady with his disappointed face. He just got that vibes that he's the type who'd put you in your place while keeping a calm, steady face and for some reason that frightens me more.
Keith looks …. Guilty to me.
Keith has shown displays of anger in Without a Recipe videos, so he is definitely capable. He was able to mask it some for this video, but its under the surface. Eugene was also full of controlled rage but he wasn't able to hide it as well. I agree that Zach just looked exhausted. And he is in the midst of wedding planning so he probably needs another groomsman, unfortunately.
Like that one time in Without a Recipe where he shook everyone's hands instead of yelling. I was petrified.
@@cynacist1823 yeah I want to assume it was purposefully played up for the video, and that's why they didn't edit the anger out, but sometimes it did make me uncomfortable. 😬
Eugene looks like he would gladly kill Guy Who Shall Not Be Named with his bare hands, in public, and sleep well that night.
Keith looks like he’s actively planning to murder him and get away with it.
I'm terrible at reading people and even I could tell Eugene was pissed.
Me, too. I'm Asperger's or borderline and usually miss such cues, but Eugene came through loud and clear.
People forget that Eugene is best friends with Ariel. Right now I fully believe his boyfriend has his keys and is keeping him under anger management house arrest. Eugene is dressed for Ned's funeral
Eugene also likes to wear black?
Eugene is best friends with Becky, not Ariel.
I like that line, Eugene was dressed for Ned's funeral. Once the legal stuff is sorted, I wanna let Eugene have 5 minutes alone with Ned in a room. It'll be therapy for Eugene, too.
@@brynbailey7132 try guys should try a rage room
Also I noted how Keith had one arm resting behind Zach the whole time, which I personally see as protecting/supporting gesture.
Both Keith and Zach are really good friends.
I hope this doesn't destroy the Try guys. They genuinely seem like nice guys and I love their content. They inspire me to make my own content 😁
They’ve said on their podcast today they will!
Zach and Keith said that the 3 of them will continue the try guys. It might change some but they're not going to disband.
It won't destroy them. I can't be the only one who didn't vibe with ___ , and hadn't for a long enough time that they unsubbed...and is now rejoining via subscription now that he's gone. I hate how much this hurt them, but I think their fans are going to be looking up to them even more now with how well they handled this situation, and with more respect.
It won’t, they gained a lot more subscribers from this, they went from 7.83 million last week to 7.98 today
They can just rebrand as the Tri-Guys. gives them opportunity to explore different avenues and content that way too.
I understand that social media thrives on drama but I just want to thank you for being one of the few youtubers to approach this with respect for everyone involved and echo the wishes that the three founders of second try are asking from their fans and other viewers. I really appreciate you bringing a level of humanity to your videos and genuine concern for all involved. Thanks!
Thank you for saying this.
On top of the personal stuff, Ned also put the other guys' and all their staff's livelihoods at risk, because his private life was so intrinsically connected to his professional one.
Eugene's voice in this video sounds like Eugene's voice when he talks about LGBT+ rights and being bullied for being gay and Asian. It's a combination of dignity, justified anger for having been hurt, and "this is crap and it won't fly with me".
It makes sense to me that Zach’s main emotions lean towards sad in this. They talked about it some on their podcast, and Zach was really the only one in the office at the time this was going down in the beginning. He was literally made to go through this step by step, was made to fully see the overall impact (they all were but his was spread out on legal papers he had to put together one by one) and I feel that made him face his emotions as he went through this in real time.
He claims that he felt like he pushed his emotions away, but i personally feel like he embraced most of his emotions so he could move in through this.
My heart hurts for the friends and families affected by this. This was a sadly need reminder for a lot of people in the public, that cheating can destroy more then just a marriage. I’m just sorry that it happened/ had to happen at all
If I were Ned I'd be legit afraid of running into Eugene in an alley - I've never seen anyone that angry holding it together that hard. I'm glad they've done what they can to address the situation, and hope they can move past this.
Keith and Zach also went into a bit more detail about the situation on todays podcast episode. The reactions of all 3 of them really hurt to see. Keith had all 3 of them in his wedding party, so I can't imagine how deeply this hurt him. And we know Eugene's parents divorced, so I feel like his anger goes bone deep.
13:12 Eugene's voice dropping when he is whispering "kindness" makes me feel such deep empathy and just this quiet sense of loss, but also admiration for him. I hope he's doing a little bit better every day. I love the Try Guys.
When I saw Zach's little laugh at the part where Keith talked about being sponsored, I recognized that as a "this is so ridiculous that I can do nothing but laugh or completely break down"
Eugene’s parents are divorced so he looked up to Ned as the perfect dad and family and I think it affected him in a slightly different way than the other guys
What is extremely sad to me is that there is no hiding this from Ned’s kids. This blew up so much so they KNOW what their dad did. Absolutely disgusting behavior :(
As someone who smiles when shocked by something, I think the slight smile from Keith could also be shock.
Some people, when thing seems too absurd and surreal, react by smiling. I don't know why, but it happens to me and when I do it by no means it signifies happiness or just contempt.
They posted some memes about how Eugene is like Anger from Inside Out, Zach is Sadness, and Keith is disgust
If I remember correctly, Eugene is an INTJ. As an INTJ myself, I know that we don’t tend to have a ton of close friends, but the close friends we do have hold the power to deeply hurt us. It’s a feeling of such intense betrayal, because we thought this was a person that had passed our vetting process.
Eugene is an ISFP and what you're taking about is prevalent in all introverted types that have Fi (so IXFP and IXTJ).
@@lbell9695 , it’s definitely possible my information is outdated, but I’m basing it on the results Eugene got in an old Buzzfeed video from 7 years ago called “People Find Their Official Myers-Briggs Type.” At the 3:00 mark of that video it says that Eugene got INTJ.
@@queenofgreen83 But the MBTI "expert" was explaining it via the dichotomies so she's not really an "expert." Personality Database has some pretty convincing points to why Eugene is an ISFP - his Se has always been quite strong, especially for a "supposed" INTJ.
Eugene's death glare had me diving for my xanax....
I feel like when Zach mentioned the editors, all three of them warmed up a little. I don't see Keith's little smile at 8:47 as a contempt smile but more one of pride despite his obvious fatigue and upset. It was nice to see that they genuinely appreciate their employees and their labor.
I saw this first on the original video and was struck by Keith having his arm behind Zach. It seemed very protective of Zach to me and I found it quite touching.
I’ve been waiting for this one. Even though I feel that the emotions are obvious, it’s nice to hear some reasoning and to hear someone highlight things that get missed.
The amount of actual loathing in that guy's face is just unreal. Rightly deserved... but holy fuck I wouldn't want to be Ned. Just don't cheat on your S/O's.
People dont understand that the tryguys are so pure! They have values ands thats why i loved watching them. Cant believe ned was so selfish and messed up the try guys.
This situation makes me reconsider my relationship honestly. My bf has been giving red flags lately, and the biggest one is his 2 best friends are manipulating cheaters who don't plan on stopping any time soon, and my bf knows and even befriends those girls his friends see! I used to ignore it, but I'm now opening up my eyes because a true friend should not support a friend's self destruction...
Birds of a feather
You can do it. Get out asap! Cut ties before he hurts you, too
@@nospoonfulofmayonnaiseforme it's hard rn because we live together and he's providing for me and our dog😭 I'm just focusing on me and staying cute right now and have dropped doing anything for him lol
@@teddygrahamm Best of luck!! I hope you can gain economic stability and a safe place for you and your dog away from your bf. Hopefully the relationship will end smoothly.
@@teddygrahamm aww that's tricky. Do you trust him to take care of ur dog??
I love that you decided to cover this video. Thank you for the excellent analysis, as usual.
I haven't watched the Try Guys in probably 8 years. This made me cry. I think all of their emotion was very genuine. Eugene's headshakes and lip compressions, I felt those strongly. I'm so sorry to everyone.
Even though so much of it is obvious, I like you two reacting to it and giving us both of your takes on it. The minute it came out I was like oooohhh I can't wait to hear what they have to say! It sucks that this happened, but I think they have an opportunity to show what accountability from within should look like. They acted on the knowledge swiftly, taking into account not only Ariel and the kids, but also being honest about the fact that he was in a position of power and that that MATTERS. I can only hope they continue to handle things with the grace they have shown so far.
I love when I'm sitting here and get a random notification for the channel and I'm happy Piper is here for this one too!
Great video! I’m surprised you didn’t mention Eugene’s falter when he was talking about the sadness they all felt - I assume it was just him making a mistake with reading, but the frustrated way he sighs almost seems to be him resisting saying it, which is quite interesting.
it's funny that after so many years of closely following their work, I'm pretty attuned to the ways the three express things (at least on camera). It was cool to seen an expert confirm what I've thought to be the ways the express sadness. You were right about Eugene's sadness mixed with anger thing, then Zach being quite emotional, just a swirl of sadness, but still keeping a front of charisma to assure viewers and keep it together, and the Keith, ever the performer, partier and very social extrovert when he's happy, in contrast, gets quiet when he's down.
I think all of them ultimately feel betrayed. How they express that feeling is interesting. As Keith mentioned, I’m sure they are all in a cycle of emotions.
Most of us have watched these guys bust their butts to create what they have. In a way, the fans grew with them and feel a similar betrayal. I think many of us are surprised by how deeply rooted our feelings are for these guys.
I was thinking about you when I saw their video! I paid more attention and rewatched some of it and noticed things I don’t normally pay attention to. My heart goes out to those three and everyone else affected, they’re clearly hurting.
I was waiting for you to analyze their video! ❤
I can’t believe I’ve been subscribed to you since you had just over 250,000 subs, I’m so proud of you and all of the success you have worked so hard for. Keep up the amazing work! Annnd starting the video😂
I had stopped keeping up with their material a while ago, but seeing how genuine they were with this, I want to support them in their healing
Been anticipating this one. Thanks for the time put into what you do
Eugene was in his vengeful Zuko arc in this video. I expect he's about to unlock his fire-bending abilities any time now. 🔥🔥🔥
Seriously though, I found watching the Try Guy's emotions in this super reassuring. It's easy to tell they had no idea about Ned, and are genuinely doing their best to deal with such a horrible situation in a respectful manner. I hope that the guys can overcome this quickly. The 3 guys are such a joy to watch, so I look forward to what they will accomplish going forward!
They handled this like professionals even though I know they are hurt. My respect level was already high for these 3 but it have risen significantly through this!
Right when I saw the try guys video come out, I was like, I hope observe does a video on this. I'm so glad you did!!
As soon as I saw they're video I thought I couldn't wait to see your video on it!
Thanks for making respectful content about this
Thanks for breaking this down for us. I believe Zach and Keith have also spoken about this more on The TryPod (ep. 181, titled "ok, let's talk about it"). I think that might give a bit more insight, granted, of course that the initial wave of emotions must have simmered down by now. But in a long-form setting, they're not so scripted. I'd be interested to see that. Keep doing an awesome job!
The more the guys explain that this was a shock for them too, the more it feels like Ned and Alex made the conscious choice to go public. They new people would see them, they chose to be romantic in public around possible fans. They knew this all was a possibility.
It’s possible that it was Ned that wanted to be caught. I had a friend once that hid a big secret from their partner. It all came out once they went through their phone. Turns out that my friend basically wanted to get caught bc of the shame and guilt associated with it.
To add to Rebekkah‘s comment: statistics show that most divorces are actually initiated by women. No matter what - men think they need to provide for their family - even when they want out of the marriage. It is easier for them if the woman decides to file for divorce. Which is why he might have wanted to be caught.
Or they got cocky because they’d managed to hide it for so long
I have been waiting for you to make an analysis breaking down this video! Thank you!
something i saw someone mention a while back is that iirc eugene is someone who grew up in a broken home, so seeing his friend doing something like this would hurt him very personally considering ned has two kids
So excited to see you cover this. Story just makes me sad.
Hey Observe team, hope you’re having a good day. Thank you for the content and continuing to offer information about body language. I’ve been a long time fan of the channel and hope I can offer some gentle feedback. Piper has some pretty stellar braids in this video. Love the color and how they compliment the fit. I know you all are good people, with good intentions at the center of your work, so if you have time, would you mind looking into the history of fairy locks and how it’s considered appropriation? I’m not poc and I am not an expert on this topic. However I do know there is a lot of complicated history with dreadlocks. Hoping to be helpful. I apologize if this message is uncalled for. Piper looks absolute amazing! Just want to make sure their prepared for how it could make them look to bipoc. Thank you for your time and consideration. 🙏🏼
Came looking for this comment bc I didn't know how to phrase it respectfully
It's always a white person chiming in with an appropriation comment. Let the POC speak for themselves if they take issue with something. Otherwise you are just being performative.
I was waiting for you to analyze that video!
I was waiting for this video and i am so glad u made it! I know the 2 of you are try guys fans too and i think you made this video very respectfully. Pipers face at the end ♥️ you can see how sad she is for the 3 remaining boys and Ariel.
Oh good. I was hoping you'd analyze this. Other people reacted so strongly to Eugene, Zach, and Keith's expressions, and while I kinda picked up on the guys' emotions, I didn't get the strong vibes other viewers' did. It took several views to absorb the level of emotional information others seemed to get right away, and even then I wasn't sure. I know I'm not the most observant person (despite all my time watching your channel!), and certainly not the most socially adept, but... I guess I'm even more oblivious than I thought. So I'm glad for your analysis.
Man, I think the most telling part of this whole video is when Keith starts talking about “the details of the review” - both Zack and Eugene have SUCH obvious reactions. Eugene sucks in his lips and swallows hard. Zack wrings his hands, swallows hard, and then looks down.
That review must have brought up a LOT of very, very bad, upsetting news. Probably more than is public right now.
I’ve only ever watched them on occasion, but I truly hope that everyone hurt by this has a chance to heal as they move forward. I think cheating is one of the worst things you can do to another person and no one deserves to be put through that pain.
HELL YEAH! Been waiting on this all day!
YES, thank you, I've been waiting for this video!!!
I’ve been checking back for this one. What they feel is pretty obvious but nuanced too.
looks could kill from anger- Eugene; Hands hold tight in sadness-Zach; hard to swallow from feeling disappointed-Keith
I was waiting for this video!!!! Thank you!
Yes! I was hoping you’d cover this.
Obviously just speculation, but knowing some of Eugene's family history this probably hits him differently because his mom left his family when he was young. I'm sure it brings up a lot of feelings from his own situation.
It was Eugene's father's mother who left his father's family. Not Eugene's mother.
Thanks for covering this. I watched Alot of try guys for the past few yrs & I've been so happy for them in all their success, so I really hope they can still find that success still. Its crazy how involved all these fans are. I felt their emotions thru this video, & it very sad hearing how much they had to go thru as a company. These kinds of things ruin friendship easily. I don't know how Ariel can continue doing anything try guys adjacent since they are trying to fix the marriage, which I think Is good. Throwing away a marriage is no small thing so to say off that bat that divorce is the only solutio. This has a us a company involved & it's just a mess. I feel for everyone involved.
I was so hoping you’d cover this!!
O iv been waiting for you to post another one about them. Thank you.
Piper looks so sad when they’re talking about how hurt the guys are 😢
Did she change her name from Megan?? (Haven't watched in a while and I am so confused)
@@stephanieh.7227 Yup! I missed the announcement too and was pretty confused the first time I heard it!
@@stephanieh.7227 they came out as non-binary and changed their name to Piper, yes
Could you take a look at Logan Paul's response to exploiting Puerto Rico's taxes havens on the Phillip Defranco Show? He seemed very tense.
LOVE when you and Piper are together on screen. Loving their channel too. I know nothing about The Try Guys but I'm always here for Piper and Logan. :)
I must say before I start the video, I freaking LOVE your intro, like it really gets me into the groove of analyzing lol
Such a great channel, thank you for all you do!
When I watched this I immediately saw Eugene was MAD. Keith and Zach talked about this statement on their most recent podcast too (Try Pod).
Eugene bringing the Princess Di vengeance vibes and I am HERE FOR IT.
Was eagerly waiting for you to analyze the response!!
YES 🙌 I WAS REALLY hoping you’d break this down for me.
Honestly Eugene's anger gives me life (it's almost refreshing and the closest to what I feel when it comes to cheating)