I would posit that there is no debate over which is more effective. The debate is which makes more sense to carry. The question to decide that becomes how important higher capacity and slightly quicker follow up shots are to you.
I just gotta say man. Garand Thumb is the OG of gun experiments but I always find myself liking your videos more. Straight to the point, no bs. I love it. Keep it up 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
9mm is built for speed to defeat armor. 45 is built for mass and release of energy on target. It's apples to oranges. That said my edc is a 1911 in 45acp. If I was facing soldiers with armor that might change
I’ve been a 45 ACP man for over 40 years but now with the new model self-defense ammunition in 9mm I’ve changed to 9mm due to a little less recoil and magazine capacity!
@@bruceb9515 Yes it has, and have you not seen .45 +P or 450SMC from Double Tap or 45 Super, or seen any of the offerings from Underwood and Buffalo bore? I carry 45 +P and 45 Super and 450SMC in my 45 Super and XDM and 9 mm doesn't compare even in plus p.
It was definitively shown in 1992 that caliber is not important. A properly constructed hollow point generating 400 plus ft lbs AT THE TARGET is the key to good stopping power regardless of caliber. The debate has been over for 32 years.
As a big bore handgunner for some 50 years im still trying to figure out what your trying to prove..if your talking human targets then i would suggest a layer of cloth then a half inch pine board then two more water jugs then another half inch pine board.now yOU have cloths,ribs lungs& heart.then bone.YOU ONLY NEED 16" TO 21" FROM FRONT TO BACK.
Since I'm in a communist state, Washington. The next carry pistol I would buy is a 45 acp since I'm limited to 10 round mags. Saying that, I'm glad I already have 15-17 round mags for my 9mm edc. If you're limited on how many rounds go larger caliber. If not, go for capacity.
Davidriggs9084 myself and my wife live in eastern washington and with the bs the state both myself and my wife carry revolvers . Mine is a Single Action 45 and my wife has a snubnose 357
I think you made a mistake about the ammunition or misspoke, a steel core hollow point will end up doing the opposite of what hollow points are intended to do and overpenetrate soft tissue.
I might go for a .45 if there were more pistols with a 12 + 1 or greater capacity other than Glock (sorry Glock guys), that being MY minimum capacity requirement for a full size gun. For now, I'll go with 9mm, with 17 or 18 + 1 capacity, or .40 S&W, with 15+ capacity.
Im a 9mm team member. I own guns in both calibers but with the newer 9mm loads and the high cap mags im a 9mm guy. Plus i run a 9mm PCC which runs the same mags so for me its a no brainer.
4506-1 for my big boy 165 grain Corbon Glazer power ball gray tip going 1318 fps out of my 5” 4506-1 and I pocket carry a Glock 33 .357 sig with gold dot 125gr 5 pedals going 1375 fps and a extra mag with dubble tap 125 gr going 1475 fps out of that little Glock 33 that’s 605 foot pounds lol great video! My opinion 357 sig 10mm HOT 45 acp true +p 40 sw and 9mm
.45 and 9mm when compared on actual lethality targets damn near have identical impacts and damage done in every area of the body. So really they’re the same round 9mm is just cheaper and you can carry more rounds at a time so I’m team 9mm all day
Either/or will get the job done. 20 yrs ago we chose the .45 for a duty weapon, as 9mm ammo became so much better there's many depts in the country that actually switched back.
@@RogueGinger o dude they exist lol Glock 29, Springfield XD-M compact, S&W MP M2.0 to name a few. Kinda unnecessary for concealed carry against humans but hey whatever you’re into lol. I have a Glock 40 but it’s huge lol. It’s a range toy or my sidearm if I go hunting. It’s a fucking unit lol.
A lot more than what round hits hardest should go into your decision of what round to carry. Things such as, gun fit to your hands, round capacity, recoil, ability to get back on target quickly. While a .45 acp may hit slightly harder, the fact is all handgun rounds suck when it comes to stopping bad guys so you need to put multiple rounds into them especially if they are on drugs which many of them are. Fact is 7 out of every 8 people shot with a handgun live and there are countless cases of people being shot and it really not fazing them right away. Therefore you want a round that performs decently for a handgun that you can easily put multiple rounds on target as quickly as possible and as accurately as possible. The 9mm best fits that description. The 9mm while giving up a little performance to the .45 acp, it's not that much but you have a much higher round capacity with most 9mm handguns, recoil is much less which allows for quicker follow up shots and recoil is quite a bit less making it easier for most people to shoot more accurately. Yes there are people that can shoot a double stack .45 acp quickly and accurately but they are going to be able to do all that even better with a 9mm while only giving up a slight amount of wounding performance. Yes there was a time when the 9mm sucked but impovements in bullets and powders changed that
The rounds speak for themselves. You have a much bigger capacity with 9mm and it’s faster and easy on the recoil. Buuuuuuuut as everyone knows 45 has been through 2 world wars. Any who can shoot half ass alright won’t need anything more than 8-10 rounds In my opinion, plus if you get shot in the knee cap with a 45 hollowpoint then good luck walking ever again because you’ll be missing the lower part of your leg. I love both rounds tbh though lol
A 10mm it's fairly more powerful than a 40 caliber man it has nowhere near the energy in velocity of the 45 super or the 450 small Magnum cartridge quit being a little boutique girl
@RogueGinger I only questioned it because there was some steel core 9mm a while back, and I wondered why you might be using it in a comparison test. Thanks for responding
From close distance .45 cal has better performance. More foot pound energy and bigger hole .... it's physics. 10 mm or even full .40 cal have better performance than .45 cal but expect the recoil as trade.
The real answer is "it depends". For a department, sure. A full size 9mm makes sense because anyone can shoot it effectively and they have more chances to actually hit something (police miss 70% of the time). For civilian carry, not in a war, not police, it's not like you'll be laying down suppressive fire... and you are responsible for where every bullet fired ends up. Statistically, in civilian encounters, a 5-shot revolver will get the job done, but we probably shouldn't count on that. I watched an interview where a man had recurring bad dreams that he faced multiple threats and ran out of ammunition, so he switched from a .45 to a 9mm. My nightmare is that I shoot a threat repeatedly and it has no effect... so this Fudd carries a .45 AARP with 10 Federal HSTs in it and enough barrel length to expand them... because .45 is my emotional support caliber. YMMV.
Bad testing. You need to mimic human flesh as a test. Might as well go into a gunfight and miss all your target but hey , yah brought hell to those brick walls.
Team 9mm here. In a self defense situation you are going to be shooting a soft target not a block of ice and brick. A well placed 124 gr Hydrashok will stop an attacker in one shot. Plus 9mm ammo is cheaper, which allows for more range time & you get higher mag capacities.
This whole caliber argument is completely irrelevant I carry both but a 50-110 has way more energy than both but most people can't handle it and the over penetration that's why nobody uses it carry what you can handle and put the most hits on target as quickly as possible
Use what you have and pray you don't have to find out which is more effective.
Valid
100/100!!
I would posit that there is no debate over which is more effective. The debate is which makes more sense to carry.
The question to decide that becomes how important higher capacity and slightly quicker follow up shots are to you.
Positive!! Well said
I'm Team "Both."
Haha! Not mad about this comment! 😎🦅🇺🇸
Stellar marksmanship is what levels the playing field
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45
More energy...
Two world wars 😎🇺🇸🦅
I own a ww2 issue army 1911 .45. It was,my gran dads. He carried and used it on Normandy beach.
That’s amazing!! Keep it in the family for sure!!
@@RogueGinger I plan to.
Wooooooow what a treasure
Your Grandpa was a badass and so was his gun !!!!
@@user-ui8jc3su9m he was a medical but still fought in Combat, then served in France in a field hospital.
I just gotta say man. Garand Thumb is the OG of gun experiments but I always find myself liking your videos more. Straight to the point, no bs. I love it. Keep it up 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Thanks for the support brother! 😎🦅🇺🇸 I got you! Stay tuned for more
45 since 1984
Two world wars 😎🇺🇸🦅
Some older guys call it the “Flying Ashtray”. You can see it leaving the barrel @ 750ft per second
45
“Two world wars”
I'm a 357 Magnum fan would love to see this on that round
If your going to test 357. MAg.then test with 10mm,44 spl.+ p .38/40 +p& 44/40 +p ..bricks don't prove shit..
9mm is built for speed to defeat armor. 45 is built for mass and release of energy on target. It's apples to oranges. That said my edc is a 1911 in 45acp. If I was facing soldiers with armor that might change
A very good point! Thanks for it 😎🦅🇺🇸
I'm team
44 Mag. Sorry!
Not mad about this answer!
Team 10mm
@@kineticenergy108510mm isn’t even close to 44 mag, it’s closer to the 357 mag
45... With a 9mm back up
Two world wars 😎🇺🇸🦅
I’m a 45 guy but I will tell you this it’s better to have something! Either way you can’t go wrong 💯
Both, so whichever one is available, I’m covered.
Valid point! 😎🦅🇺🇸
I’ve been a 45 ACP man for over 40 years but now with the new model self-defense ammunition in 9mm I’ve changed to 9mm due to a little less recoil and magazine capacity!
A very good argument for 9MM! I like this a lot 😎🦅🇺🇸
Yeah this argument is dumb, 45 has also advanced as well lol
@@albertreade7607no it hasn't. You're just a hater. Get out of the 80's thinking about 9mm.
@@albertreade7607What do you shoot besides your mouth off?
@@bruceb9515 Yes it has, and have you not seen .45 +P or 450SMC from Double Tap or 45 Super, or seen any of the offerings from Underwood and Buffalo bore? I carry 45 +P and 45 Super and 450SMC in my 45 Super and XDM and 9 mm doesn't compare even in plus p.
I'm team whatever gets the dam thing done.
It was definitively shown in 1992 that caliber is not important. A properly constructed hollow point generating 400 plus ft lbs AT THE TARGET is the key to good stopping power regardless of caliber. The debate has been over for 32 years.
This was the cover story of every gun magazine every month in the 80s
I’m team whatever is gonna stop the enemy sir😂
Valid response 😎🦅🇺🇸
357
This is respectable
A man of culture 👏 🙌
I love my 45 it my Guns thanks
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Team 9mm or team 45 acp...hmmm, I've honestly never thought about it...but then again I don't do a lot of brick hunting
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Both will stop whatever is coming at you but use what you got.
Very valid argument.
357 magnum
I will get my hands on one! Stay tuned 😎🇺🇸🦅
No steel 👉 copper jack lead👍
You are correct. I misspoke
Look up "Taylor KO Factor".
9mm NATO is around 7.2 KO
.45 ACP is around 12.6 KO.
For comparison, 10mm is 13-ish...
Bro what .45 rounds were you shooting they seem spicy AF!
Some Hornady defense rounds 🤯
As a big bore handgunner for some 50 years im still trying to figure out what your trying to prove..if your talking human targets then i would suggest a layer of cloth then a half inch pine board then two more water jugs then another half inch pine board.now yOU have cloths,ribs lungs& heart.then bone.YOU ONLY NEED 16" TO 21" FROM FRONT TO BACK.
I'm team both. I practice with the 9mm.
Carry the 45.
.45
Two world wars 😎🇺🇸🦅
@@RogueGinger and a few "police actions". And, that was with hardball!
Capacity matters.
100% agree
Yep.
hit placement matters
To an extent… When you have a more effective caliber you don’t need as many hits to incapacitate
Don't speak for us poor folks living in commiefornia
Since I'm in a communist state, Washington. The next carry pistol I would buy is a 45 acp since I'm limited to 10 round mags. Saying that, I'm glad I already have 15-17 round mags for my 9mm edc. If you're limited on how many rounds go larger caliber. If not, go for capacity.
Davidriggs9084 myself and my wife live in eastern washington and with the bs the state both myself and my wife carry revolvers . Mine is a Single Action 45 and my wife has a snubnose 357
45, 9mm is boring
Two world wars 😎🇺🇸🦅
My daily carry is Sig X macro 18 rounds of 9mm civil defense 50g at 2000fps....yeep you read it right the first time
Kind of curious if it even expands right or if it's moving too fast to do so
@@Joe-nr9xf watch the testing videos on RUclips, civil defense 9mm 50g testing, it's unbelievable on a good way
I think you made a mistake about the ammunition or misspoke, a steel core hollow point will end up doing the opposite of what hollow points are intended to do and overpenetrate soft tissue.
You are correct. I did misspeak. I corrected this many times before. Good catch!
Go compare..but i'll stay with the .45
For my home defense i have a 9mm hallow points double stack clips. I have small hands so the grip is extremely comfortable for me to handle.
45 for people 9mm for sport.
@@joeyblanco115 valid point!
I might go for a .45 if there were more pistols with a 12 + 1 or greater capacity other than Glock (sorry Glock guys), that being MY minimum capacity requirement for a full size gun. For now, I'll go with 9mm, with 17 or 18 + 1 capacity, or .40 S&W, with 15+ capacity.
If I had to pick one I’d go with the 45, but I find myself choosing the 9mm because of the cost lol.
10mm full load. Instead of those 40 cal 10mm fakes.
I need a 10MM in my life asap!
@@RogueGinger you'll love it.
Some thick boy .45
Thicccc*
Were you using the same type rounds for both ( e.g. Federal HST)? Round construction varies.
Yes, both FMJ rounds.
@@RogueGinger Gotcha
Should just go in betweem and use 10mm
I need a 10MM in my life asap
Im a 9mm team member. I own guns in both calibers but with the newer 9mm loads and the high cap mags im a 9mm guy. Plus i run a 9mm PCC which runs the same mags so for me its a no brainer.
I'm team accurate shooter
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4506-1 for my big boy 165 grain Corbon Glazer power ball gray tip going 1318 fps out of my 5” 4506-1 and I pocket carry a Glock 33 .357 sig with gold dot 125gr 5 pedals going 1375 fps and a extra mag with dubble tap 125 gr going 1475 fps out of that little Glock 33 that’s 605 foot pounds lol great video! My opinion 357 sig 10mm HOT 45 acp true +p 40 sw and 9mm
Readjust camera angle for shorts. Where you point is behind subscribe button.
Got it! Thanks for the tip!
What kind of 9 mm hollow point bullet? Was it and how many grams does it have?
.45 and 9mm when compared on actual lethality targets damn near have identical impacts and damage done in every area of the body. So really they’re the same round 9mm is just cheaper and you can carry more rounds at a time so I’m team 9mm all day
Can Hellcat use hollow point ammo?
Team RPG here
I wanna be on your team!
Either/or will get the job done. 20 yrs ago we chose the .45 for a duty weapon, as 9mm ammo became so much better there's many depts in the country that actually switched back.
I got the S&W 4506 and Glock 9 milliheater
Team . 45 and 10mm. Glock 29 and 30
You hit it on the corner
Either, but I carry 9mm anyway - need higher capacity and penetration imo
Depends on which one if my handguns needs a walk. Could be my Glock 26. Could be my Sig P245. Or my Sig P220. Or my Springfield XD. Or........
Or….. ? 👀
@@RogueGinger M and P or my walther ppq. Or.......
@@YellowjacketGTO or?? Or??? Please tell me brother 😎
@@RogueGinger nope. You are not my brother.
@@RogueGinger fed.
Wait a minute were both those barrels of the same length that dose have everything to do with all fairness in an equal contest 🤨
As close as I could get them. The Glock has a barrel length of 4.01 inches Vs. The 1911’s barrel length of 4.25 inches
That ain’t no STEEL core 😂, that’s lead silly
I know. I misspoke. I apologize
9mm for ME....I HAVE BOTH.
Having both is a good problem to have! 😎🇺🇸🦅
Lead core. Not steel.
I misspoke. I apologize
Both 😂
@@JuanCartagena-wy8qs not mad at this answer! 😎🦅🇺🇸
The .45 appears to have hit harder than 9mm.
Neither. 10mm hardcast for EDC. (Jk lol)
10MM is an absolute unit of a round. Imagine a compact 10MM for conceal carry 😂🦅😎🇺🇸
@@RogueGinger o dude they exist lol Glock 29, Springfield XD-M compact, S&W MP M2.0 to name a few. Kinda unnecessary for concealed carry against humans but hey whatever you’re into lol. I have a Glock 40 but it’s huge lol. It’s a range toy or my sidearm if I go hunting. It’s a fucking unit lol.
A lot more than what round hits hardest should go into your decision of what round to carry. Things such as, gun fit to your hands, round capacity, recoil, ability to get back on target quickly. While a .45 acp may hit slightly harder, the fact is all handgun rounds suck when it comes to stopping bad guys so you need to put multiple rounds into them especially if they are on drugs which many of them are. Fact is 7 out of every 8 people shot with a handgun live and there are countless cases of people being shot and it really not fazing them right away. Therefore you want a round that performs decently for a handgun that you can easily put multiple rounds on target as quickly as possible and as accurately as possible. The 9mm best fits that description. The 9mm while giving up a little performance to the .45 acp, it's not that much but you have a much higher round capacity with most 9mm handguns, recoil is much less which allows for quicker follow up shots and recoil is quite a bit less making it easier for most people to shoot more accurately. Yes there are people that can shoot a double stack .45 acp quickly and accurately but they are going to be able to do all that even better with a 9mm while only giving up a slight amount of wounding performance. Yes there was a time when the 9mm sucked but impovements in bullets and powders changed that
45 ACP has power but 9mm has stamina i choose stamina because when your life is on the line 18 round mag is much better than a 8 round mag
The second jug looked like liquid the first looked frozen
Steel core?
I misspoke. I meant to say lead core.
10mm
10MM is an absolute unit!
are we going to glance over the fact that, the 9mm round is an FTX round? That's not a JHP.... makes a difference... just sayin..
Always 45
The 45 hit the edge of the brick, the 9 mill hit center.
The rounds speak for themselves. You have a much bigger capacity with 9mm and it’s faster and easy on the recoil. Buuuuuuuut as everyone knows 45 has been through 2 world wars. Any who can shoot half ass alright won’t need anything more than 8-10 rounds In my opinion, plus if you get shot in the knee cap with a 45 hollowpoint then good luck walking ever again because you’ll be missing the lower part of your leg. I love both rounds tbh though lol
Both
Hope you mean lead and not steel?
You are correct. I misspoke
@@RogueGinger All good. If it was steel I was going to ask where you got it. Ha ha ha ha
Go with a 10 mm because “they don’t make a 9.”
I’m dying to get my hands on a 10MM
A 10mm it's fairly more powerful than a 40 caliber man it has nowhere near the energy in velocity of the 45 super or the 450 small Magnum cartridge quit being a little boutique girl
I prefer 9mm but 45 is just as good.
Also I dont think those were good comparisons. Considering we are not made of cement.
Use both
Not a bad idea
"...steel core..."???
I miss spoke. Meant lead core
@RogueGinger I only questioned it because there was some steel core 9mm a while back, and I wondered why you might be using it in a comparison test. Thanks for responding
@@paulkube3901 no worries brother. God bless 😎🦅🇺🇸
Did you say steel core
I misspoke. I meant to say lead core
Can I just add and not to be a hater but those hollow points do not I repeat DO NOT have a steel core! They are copper jackets LEAD core
9mm
From close distance .45 cal has better performance. More foot pound energy and bigger hole .... it's physics. 10 mm or even full .40 cal have better performance than .45 cal but expect the recoil as trade.
9mm is a better choice from many different reality
The real answer is "it depends". For a department, sure. A full size 9mm makes sense because anyone can shoot it effectively and they have more chances to actually hit something (police miss 70% of the time).
For civilian carry, not in a war, not police, it's not like you'll be laying down suppressive fire... and you are responsible for where every bullet fired ends up.
Statistically, in civilian encounters, a 5-shot revolver will get the job done, but we probably shouldn't count on that.
I watched an interview where a man had recurring bad dreams that he faced multiple threats and ran out of ammunition, so he switched from a .45 to a 9mm. My nightmare is that I shoot a threat repeatedly and it has no effect... so this Fudd carries a .45 AARP with 10 Federal HSTs in it and enough barrel length to expand them... because .45 is my emotional support caliber. YMMV.
Rookie test. At least test the same brand and hollow point.
Both could kill HUMANS
Team 9. The 45 is subsonic
Team eliminate the target. Don't matter if you got a 9 or a 45, knife, fist, bat.... we fight to the death when we or our families are at risk!!!!
Bad testing. You need to mimic human flesh as a test. Might as well go into a gunfight and miss all your target but hey , yah brought hell to those brick walls.
Team 9mm here. In a self defense situation you are going to be shooting a soft target not a block of ice and brick. A well placed 124 gr Hydrashok will stop an attacker in one shot. Plus 9mm ammo is cheaper, which allows for more range time & you get higher mag capacities.
Ditto Joe.
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team 50 gi
Nerf round works best...
This whole caliber argument is completely irrelevant I carry both but a 50-110 has way more energy than both but most people can't handle it and the over penetration that's why nobody uses it carry what you can handle and put the most hits on target as quickly as possible
Shouldn't be handling that very often its lead guy
.357 mag...lol
Lmao! Not mad about this answer 😎🦅🇺🇸
10mm…. Literally outperforms all other calibers.
I need a 10MM in my life asap
Team 9!!!
Good choice!! 😎🦅🇺🇸
It boils down do you want water canteen or ammo it boils down to weight?
Weight and capacity go hand in hand. Everything is a sacrifice.