im neutral about this because theres just not enough about it, but i think the things mel stans have done to timothy is insane. like, they're mad that timothy got a few things wrong when literally it was a tramautic event, and are sending death threats to timothy. parasocial relationships are insane, you don't know melanie, you don't know if she's an evil person or not behind closed doors.
Even if Melanie turns out to be innocent that’s still not an excuse the toxic side of the fandom bullying Timothy. Timothy has BPD and the bullying is hurting her mental health more and more
@@lillyarts2it just seems like they attack basically anyone who’s had a somewhat negative interaction or opinion on her, even if they do end on good terms like oliver
havent watched it fully but imo, if timothy “lied” abt it the first time and people ruined her life because of it i dont think she’d “lie” a second time, it’d be insane to.
Genuinely, she got doxxed, harassed and could have her career ended in a second if Melanie decided to sue her for defamation. What’s the point of coming again to lie a second time knowing she’s not gonna gain anything out of it??
it's always "believe the victim!" "SA is bad!" and "eat the rich!" until it's their favorite music artist. the fans need to realize that she's not their friend and they don't know them personally..also HIII LISA! I love ur content and it's nice 2 see an alternative RUclipsr that isn't problematic!
That's what I hate so much about fanbases for artists. At the very least go out of your way not to support them by watching re-uploads of songs on RUclips. (I love terezi sm ur so cool)
not saying it did or didn’t happen but i understand it being hard to believe a celeb would do something, because the accuser could just being doing it for fame. im going to stay neutral on this topic tho
I was a Melanie fanpage but I left the fandom because of how toxic the fans are and about this whole situation. I made a video putting my Melanie merch away and I got multiple hate comments like "I can't believe you're on Timothy's side. I'm unfollowing you." or "You're a horrible person." This whole situation is literally the definition of "always believe the victim" till its your favorite person or artist or anyone you know. (Also you've gained a sub
I do want to mention the fact two people spoke up about this whole melanie situation that *actually* knew melanie, they were *both* on the side of Timothy. There is a Louis McClung video about it that mentioned that
@@ConsistentlyInconsistent_J About a day ago the same person that was on Timothys side switched up on her unfortunately…The new information is popping up in real time so it’s very hard to keep up! Thank you for commenting this!
@@Riverlovesyou Hi there! I would like to make a statement here, i've seen your comment and i respect and validate it ok? According to my opinion for this topic, Tell me, why aren't they in court, dealing with real life situations, place and the whole police, FBI government? If melanie actually done this, she would have been arrested, long long time ago. Communication in real life is important really... not always online.. Speaking this, because this is not something it should be taken in the internet, rather we are talking real life. The internet ain't always a good place, please remember that. ❤God bless you.First off, how do you know thats true though?🤔 we will need to find out. Of course, lets all stay and be natural. Secondly, if Timothy Heller was actually upset about this case, acknowledge that it is a crime and a serious one at that. She could've bring it up in court, of course anything can happen, but i really suggest anybody please do not accuse of anyone for something.. unscrupulous. No matter what they did, as God taught us to love thy neighbor, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who tries to persecute you. Pray for Timothy and Melanie guys! Nobody deserves to be thrown at the lake of fire - the second and final eternal destination.. orthodox ☦️
as a fan, consider me gone, until there’s actual evidence that she didn’t i don’t want to support someone who could have done s.a, it’s something that even if i love their music with my heart, i will immediately drop it
Heya Solar! Big fan, but that's not the point. I agree, I'm neutral at the moment, though leaning to Melanie's side a little. Yes, she's my favorite artist, but Timothy has been "proven" wrong a few times. And I do NOT support anything that us Melanie fans did, like doxx her and other things.
Timothy's friends have came out and said their statements on Timothy's "plans". I'm using " because I really don't know anymore. We just can't believe it because Melanie has been a key part in our lives, giving therapy to some through her music, now she's SA someone? We can't believe it, give us a break. I am against doxxing her, that's really messed up.
I’m 15 as well and I’ve been a fan of Melanie sense I was around 8 years old, it’s upsetting to see this whole thing unfold. I think I’m not going to pick sides until Melanie side comes to light. That being said I do also believe innocent until proven guilty, and what Melanie fans did to Timothy was shitty :/
i used to side with melanie until i actually looked into the situation again and realized just how bad of a person she is + how horribly she responded to a sexual assault allegation. the obsessed fans always try to poke holes in timothy's story as if melanie didn't confirm their encounter herself 💀. so happy i'm not supporting her anymore. btw you have a new subscriber
@@gallantmaxxingromanticizing traumatic events she never experienced, supporting ai generated art and nfts, taking trips to hawaii when the residents have been begging people to stop for years, ridiculously overpricing merch, etc.
@@gallantmaxxing + the fact that she never discouraged her fans from relentlessly harassing timothy and uh... ruining her life pretty much. makes her whole "love and light" thing look really insincere
Back in my sophomore year, me and my friends got into an argument because I said I didn’t like Melanie (I thought she was nice I just personally didn’t like her music and this was after TikTok waterboarded me with play date edits), despite my friends saying the accusations were false I still thought it was wrong for Melanie to stay in the dark and not stop her fans from bullying Timmothy away from the internet. If you have a platform of that size you have to not be reckless and this shows how dangerous it can be if not taken seriously. I’m happy that Timmothy was brave enough to come back and speak on this topic since she deserves justice.
the fact she HAS told her fans to back off other people in the past (example: oliver tree after the break up) but she didnt for timothy should say smth. SHE HAS AND CAN tell her fans to back off, even if she knows they wont.
@@sm0chiesif stuff happened multiple times like Timothy keeps saying why didn’t she report it hmmm? Because nothing happened. This is all because Mel isn’t her friend anymore so there’s no spotlight for her to be under and she desperately trying to get it back. Yall need to realize this girl is a compulsive liar.
@@kaihunter5243 Do you realise how hard it is for girls to get their fellow girl SAers arrested or charged? Have you thought about the fact Mel may not be the best person? If she lied once why would she lie again? You have no evidence against Melanie that isn't fake or edited. Shut up.
As a huge Melanie fan, I support Timothy. This is the first time I am seeing the entirety of Timothy's video. Honestly if she's faking it she deserves a Grammy for those acting skills. I've been SA'd in the past, and I know how hard it is to be accused of lying. There are a few things I'd like to address about this whole situation though. Both on Melanie and Timothy's part. First of all I believe that Melanie staying silent is very strange and its not helping the situation at all. I'm sure they know about it by now, as its all over social media. And her contradictory statements confuse me as well. However there are some things in Timothy's story that don't make sense either. She's resurfacing the allegations during Melanie's biggest tour yet, but this could also just be a coincidence. Also, I feel like allegations of SA are not something you take to Tiktok about. There's also a possibility that one or both of them remember the events incorrectly, as they were both high at the time. In my personal experience with mj, the decisions I make whilst high are sometimes irrational, and my memory is very foggy after the fact. Some people report experiencing paranoia whilst high, so there is a chance that all of this is a huge misunderstanding. However SA is just too big of an allegation to be dismissed. I'm trying to remain neutral with this situation, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I would rather support a potential liar than a potential rapist. Though I will continue to listen to Melanie's music, I will support Timothy in whatever she decides to do next.
I've been a Melanie fan since I was 8 or 9 years old (I'm currently 17) and this situation really makes me very upset. Her music was a big part of my life when I was in horrible situations, it was like a bandage to my heart. So ofc, i also didnt even know about this situation until a few years ago. I'm so mad at Melanie and i feel terrible for Timothy. I can't even imagine how it must feel. Telling something so personal and so terrible, expecting people to support you, but you only receive comments wishing you the worst ...
Hi there! I would like to make a statement here, i've seen your comment and i respect and validate it ok? According to my opinion for this topic, Tell me, why aren't they in court, dealing with real life situations, place and the whole police, FBI government? If melanie actually done this, she would have been arrested, long long time ago. Communication in real life is important really... not always online.. Speaking this, because this is not something it should be taken in the internet, rather we are talking real life. The internet ain't always a good place, please remember that. ❤God bless you.First off, how do you know thats true though?🤔 we will need to find out. Of course, lets all stay and be natural. Secondly, if Timothy Heller was actually upset about this case, acknowledge that it is a crime and a serious one at that. She could've bring it up in court, of course anything can happen, but i really suggest anybody please do not accuse of anyone for something.. unscrupulous. No matter what they did, as God taught us to love thy neighbor, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who tries to persecute you. Pray for Timothy and Melanie guys! Nobody deserves to be thrown at the lake of fire - the second and final eternal destination.. orthodox ☦️
not saying no does NOT mean a yes. only a yes means a yes. not a maybe, or a i don’t know or not answering. ONLY A YES MEANS YES. saying it louder for the people in the back
like someone else said on another video, i'd rather side with an alleged liar than an alleged rapist. edit: alright, i phrased this badly. i have been trying my best to stay neutral, but it is hard especially since the evidence we do have seems to be much more in favor of timothy. also, yes, lying about SA is awful and disgusting, but it's even worse to actually SA someone. so i'd rather side with timothy in this case, because lying about SA is still bad, but not as bad as actually doing it.
I think you should just be neutral and not believe either side. We don’t know if it’s true and imagine is Melanie really was innocent? Timothy would be such a horrible person. But.. we don’t know. So it’s better not to take sides.
Last year there was some drama around the Melanie Martinez allegations too. A streamer called Brad Taste in Music (yes ik he’s problematic) gave a bad review to PORTALS, and he and his wife talked about the allegations against her and why they believed Timothy. Then, a bunch of Melanie fans went after them, sending gore and death threats. Nevertheless, Brad continued to review Melanie’s work and even watched a defense of Melanie made by The Crow (another RUclipsr, also kinda problematic) and debunked it. Crow responded to Brad, Brad responded to Crow’s response, and there was a small feud between the fanbases of Brad, Crow, and Melanie, including Brad's fans making fun of Crow's sexual assault. I haven’t seen anyone mention the Brad/Crow incident in their essays on this topic, and I understand why, but I just wanted to mention it.
@@Benedetta-Marcarinihe platformed an asshole and then realized he fucked up, apologizing for it and taking a break. Not sure where this parent comment has to do with it seems like a misreading
@@Benedetta-Marcarini he defended and supported rose mulet who's done some awful stuff. idk that much bc this was all like a month ago and I haven't checked on his channel since
tbf i think she said that because timothy said multiple times in her statement "i always said no", and melanie then complemented that with "to what we chose to do together". but in no way I'm gonna be her lawyer, only if she pays me.
TW FOR SH i literally got cyberbullied to the point of SH because i refuse to defend melanie...the fandom disgusts me EDIT: yall they're at it again :(
the parasocial relationship fans have gained with melanie is concerning and weird. when she was accused by timothy, the first responses i see are 'she would never do that to someone.' and it seems as if they know her and how she treats others. melanie has huge control over her fans and its insane. imagine having a fanbase willing to ignore SA for you. thats where the parasocial relationship starts becoming harmful to timothy, the woman who endured SA and being harassed and doxxed off the internet and STILL being told she wasnt assaulted! its absolutely crazy how much people suck up to melanie and how no one speaks about it.
i believe timothy because melanie never denied the situation, she just said "she never said no" but then when her fans claimed they were never in the same place that night at all, melanie was like "thanks guys for debunking it! you are so right!" and ppl forget that...
I am not and have never been a fan of either artists, and will not pick a side until it's COMPLETELY cleared up- but defending someone just because you are their fan without even THINKING about the other person is DISGUSTING.
i don’t pick a side, but if Timothy‘s story is true. i will always support the victim, not the assaulter. but it still hurts to find out what Melanie could of possibly of done. even though they have made many songs against R@pe, and SA. so that’s manly the reason why im devastated, and upset
melanie says she had absolute consent and timothy bought the sex toys they used and took a pic of melanie without her knowing though? it seems like she knew she'd need insurance for a story. i do not agree with people attacking tim though
@CallmeSada1buying the kit does not imply consent i feel like alot of you guys do not understand consent timothy said herself she only did “silly” things with the dice roll game whilst melanie wanted to do more intimate stuff timothy consented to playing the silly parts of the game she didnt consent to having oral preformed on her
@@gallantmaxxingconsent can be withdrawn at any time and timothy wasnt even in the right state to consent i know you guys dont know how consent works but you cant consent when you’re intoxicated which she clearly was timothy said she consented to playing the silly roles on the dice game but didnt consent to oral or the touching of her breasts
@@doyouknowwatermelon1711 Melanie wasnt in a right state to consent either then, they were both high, making them both assaulters if thats the logic you wanna use. If u cant consent when intoxicated, then timothy assaulted Melanie since timothy was the one to introduce melanie to weed, while melanie was under the legal smoking age but TImothy wasn't. Timothy was the one who bought the weed, and was the first to make a move on melanie. Timothy literally pressured Melanie into smoking when Melanie was against it, and couldn't legally smoke. Do y'all forget Timothy was older than Melanie and has a history of taking advantage of younger people as well as actual minors? A mom and her daughter have spoken out against Timothy, as well as a minor who interviewed her about the allegations and later said Timothy was extremely inappropriate toward them. Also legally, oral or breast touching isnt r2pe. R2pe is exclusively unconsensual penetration, by legal definition, which did not happen. Anyone calling melanie a r2pist because of the allegations is ill informed and devaluing the word r2pe which harms victims.
@@doyouknowwatermelon1711 "I know u guys dont know how consent works" Yeah, being condescending doesn't make ur point look better, you look rude and uneducated. It's not like I'm a victim who works in trauma or anything, not like I'm clearly more educated on consent laws than you since you don't even realize how your logic makes Timothy a predator too. And of course consent can be withdrawn at any point, and both Timothy and Melanie implied it was never withdrawn.
man i’ve been a huge fan of melanie since i was 9 & i’m currently 16 right now, and seeing all of this just makes me feel like my time has been wasted :/ the only thing i knew from the allegations was that people were saying that timothy “claimed” to make it up but i never saw any evidence of that, and these allegations coming back into light again makes it SO hard for me to support melanie or her music. i want to stay neutral until melanie speaks up but her silence on the matter isn’t helping at all + i’m an sa victim myself, so seeing timothy receive so much hate just because she spoke up sort of resonates with me in a weird way. even if timothy is found to be lying, nothing justifies the intense bullying she received, and i would & was embarresed to call myself a melanie fan because of how bad of a reputation the fandom has
i don't understand how stans operate, they have ruined this girl's life and made her means of income useless. Also, i feel like this isn't taken as seriously because it's coercive sexual abuse and not plain rape... Anyways, i believe timothy and i wish her the best
the way people will still stay on melanie's side despite so many people coming out about it, and her even admitting something happened between them is BEYOND me.
As someone who was SA’d by my girlfriend and my defense for her was always “I never said no” it still hurts. Just because I didn’t say no doesn’t mean it doesn’t still affect me to this day. I love Melanie Martinez but if this is really true that is awful and I am so sorry for the victim and I’m wishing for healing and sending support
I don’t know what happened but I still think that people putting down Timothy with no actual evidence are just disgusting Listen to Melanie’s music all you want but acknowledge that there’s a decent chance it did happen and that it’s not okay to call Timothy a liar That’s my personal thoughts about this all and I hope people will eventually understand this more and that you can separate art from artist
Im personally waiting for mels thing but i do find it shady that she said smth happened and then agreed that it didnt. I personally am very sad and will be incredibly upset if the allegations are true. But you do not know people because you listen to them. 2024 genuinely feels like a fever dream. So much is happening and falling apart its just surreal.
This gave me a much better perspective of the whole situation. I've read a bit about it and it's always written by one whos sticking to one defending them in every way so we don't even get to see it from the other persons perspective and what happened. I have much respect for Melanie, but these allegations make me sick.
this whole situation is so upsetting. i'm 15 as well, and mel is the one artist i've been a fan of for the longest. her music has just become a part of my life in so many ways and it's helped me so much throughout the years. i love her to bits and as much as i want to defend her this is just so shady and any subconscious doubts i previously had about her innocence have definitely grown. i really hope everything is false but timothy seems so sincere and i feel terrible for her. what some fans have done to her is awful. no one deserves that. i think i'll continue to stay neutral until more comes out but i really really hope it doesnt. i have tickets to see her in september and i've been counting down the days since i got them, but this honestly changes things
I’ve been devastated for days about the whole situation, due to Melanie helping me through some hard times (through her songs I don’t know her personally) and I believe Timothy. Idk what to do about it all and it is absolutely heartbreaking to me. I hope Melanie comes out with a statement as it would be much better for us fans so we could decide what we want to do.
My opinion on this as a 4+ yr fan is that we ALL need to wait for melanies response. From what i heard thry were both drunk/high. If melanie is proven guilty, i highly believe in seperate art from the artist. I would probably listen to her music from different creators.
OMG I NEEDED THIS TYSM! btw I subbed yesterday after watching a couple of your vids! I think you are very smart and you have very good and reasonable opinions on controversial topics! Luv ya
Im neutral. But people that said "i hope its fake so i can continue supporting her" Instead of " i hope its fake so no one was SAed" Some fans are rlly not good.
I think a big part of the problem is people thinking their love for an artist should override any allegations and they can take all their words as gospel. I ADORE mcr so much, but if I heard one of them had allegations this bad, (god forbid, but just as an example of a band I love) I would be really upset, but I wouldn't blindly believe anything they say if there was evidence contrasting it. I think out of control parasocial relationships with celebrities have become more of a problem in recent years, and we as a collective need to do more to address this so this sort of reaction from fans happens less. (I LOVE ur channel btw and the Frank ref pfp is still so cool)
even if fans of melanie are denying this situation, melanie still isnt a good person, and fame has gotten to her head. it was proven in timothy's piece, and there was a twitter post by an ex-makeup artist (she was also friends with this artist) and they confirmed she was abusing her power backstage, and had no intention of being respectful.
It's not even just about the SA accusations. Melanie just scams her fans, has sold nfts, and has made some pretty gross songs. She just doesn't feel like a very great person. (Also, even if Timothee HAD consented, she still said she had a boyfriend at the time. That means Melanie still had sex with someone with a boyfriend, willingly, knowing that. It's giving Ariana energy. Not in a good way.)
@@emixxixx3001 I apologize in advance if this comes across in any way as rude as that's not my intention, but playing a game that's suggestive or sexual with a friend doesn't mean that you're consenting to having sex with that friend or are cheating on your partner. For many people, even if they're in a relationship, playing a game like that with a friend would be unserious and just for fun. Again, I'm sorry if this came across as rude, but I hope this was worded in a way that didn't feel aggressive or anything of the sort :)
as an actual victim of most of the stuff shes sang about, i dont think her songs are gross. i find them really cathartic in an industry that doesnt talk about this stuff
@@gallantmaxxing And that's a-okay!! If you like her work and find enjoyment in it, more power to you. But with that being said, a lot of other people who have been in similar situations don't like her work and find it gross and offensive. I don't want to say that Mel herself hasn't been through those things- I don't like assuming what traumas people have, of course- but she herself HAS stated that Cry Baby's story isn't based on her own life and is completely made up for the sake of being "whimsical."
@@JustAHuman101 Whimsical being in quotes is a little strange as she's never used that word to describe why she does what she does. But I understand the rest of ur perspective!
The statement 'she never said no,' has always been absolutely disgusting to me. That is the kind of statement that a manipulating r*pist would make. I'm a r*pe survivor and a statement like that, is deeply triggering to me. The only hard part for me is it seems that she didn't seem to know the actual time around when it happened. I don't mean that to offend. I'm a r*pe survivor and even if I can't pinpoint the exact dates off of the top of my head, I can tell you with certainty that both incidents occurred in mid December 2015 (the same person r*ped me during 2 separate incidents).Granted, if Timothy repressed, and/or suppressed the trauma, that may be part of why she had to look through her phone for the dates. The date thing gnaws at me, but more than anything else, I will NEVER continue to support someone who states, 'she never said no,' 🤮 I had been a fan of Melanie's ever since she was on The Voice, and I remember the backlash when Timothy first spoke up, and how SO MANY people from before, during, and after that, STILL support Melanie. I think the last song that I ever listened to by Melanie, is Mad Hatter, and that was YEARS ago. Never again.
It's sad that Melanie's fans will even make false rumours and edited screenshots just to make timothy seem like a liar and attention seeker, as an SA and almost 🍇 victim, I don't even remember the month it happened, let alone remember the day, and I've also heard that melanie verbally abuses her staff and has also begged Madeline(apologies if i said the name incorrectly, I'm not very good at remembering things) to sleep with her. This incident just comes to show how people will believe the victim until the assaulter is someone famous they look up to.
I was a huge Melanie fan for a long time. Got a lot of merch, seen her in concert twice, once just last month. It makes me so sad to see the first artist I fell in love with fall into this behavior, especially given the message of her music. I don’t know if Timothy is telling the truth or not because there isn’t any proof and she hasn’t gone to the law(which she really should have), so I can’t rightly form an opinion in my head. That said what Timothy went through to try and speak out was ridiculous. I really feel for her especially for that. We need to stop idolizing musicians to such an extent. They are human and are just as capable of evil. I won’t be buying any more merch or concert tickets for her, but I don’t think I’ll stop listening to the music. They say to separate the art from the artist which is what I will do to an extent. I know I’ll be called out for this, but people do it all the time. Everyone still loves music from Get Scared right? They are responsible for something that’s a million times worse.
“She never said no what we chose to do together” implying they had both chosen to take part in whatever they did. I’m not trying to defend Melanie but only quoting half the sentence is misleading
Finally someone said it everything just started piling up I don’t believe either side fully but Melanie’s character been seeping out more and more every year
@@kingutica6205I'm not sure the rest of the line makes the icky feeling go away tbh. both parts of the line are attempting to imply consent & that doesn't really feel right in this situation. The partial line sounds a little more malicious, but the full line doesn't sound less gross
@@kingutica6205It’s not misleading. Even if Melanie said “She never said no to what we chose to do together” doesn’t mean Timothy consented. That doesn’t mean Melanie is telling the truth just because she says “I didn’t do anything etc etc”
Melanie's music is so important to me. I relate to literally all of her songs. But I am mortified right now. Back then I thought it was proven she was innocent and didn't look much more into it, however I never did and will never encourage hate and harassment, what Timothy went through is insane and I wish people would do better. I'm waiting for Melanie's answer and for now, I won't listen to her music anymore as to not give her audience on Spotify. I hope people are mature enough NOT TO harass Timothy, and let's point fingers at suspected abusers NOT at suspected victims.
I'm 15 too and I honestly never supported or believe Melanie however I don't blame younger fans who were influenced by the fake evidence regarding Timothy lying a few years back..., however now considering majority of those fans are much older and Timothy has came out regarding the issue their should be no issue supporting Timothy and understanding melanie's wrongdoings..., the biases some Melanie fans have smh... although melanie does have personal lyrics that an abundance of fans can relate to that shouldn't indicate how much they know her on an interpersonal level and making assumptions in general regarding the validity of Timothy's case is wrong in general and I hope most melanie fans don't disregard the issue Thank you so much for speaking up regarding this issue, I'm glad it's finally getting more traction now..., I'd recommend giving Timothy some more listens on her music and sending her support on tiktok... this video genuinely made me tear up I find it sickening how people have treated Timothy this way
I have been a fan of Melanie for around 3 years and i found out about this situation recently and i was so disappointed...There was never much of information about all of this but i am not on anyone's side until Melanie speaks up about this.I listened to what Timothy said and believe her but not fully.I don't know if Melanie is ever gonna speak up about this situation again after making kind of a dumb response but i think she really should...let's hope for the best.
I feel the same way as you. I grew up with Melanie and I loved her so so much. Her music is very nostalgic to my childhood. But then she ended up doing something shitty and I'm not on her side. I'm just sad because I liked her alot :(
I have been a Melanie fan for years now, I remember this happening years ago and I was young at the time, so I didn't fully understand. I feel like I'm on the same page with Lisa on this because I really do want to hear Melanie's side of the story. I really do feel bad for Timothy, I would've never targeted her if I had a full understanding of the situation, and even now I wouldn't target her. I just hope this whole situation can be resolved and I really hope Melanie will give her side. I honestly thought Melanie changed since I remember her speaking out on some situations, but I guess she refuses to talk about this. I am also disappointed because she never told fans to not target her. I also wanted to say thank you Lisa for talking about this clearly, I also just discovered your channel. Sorry for the long comment I just felt like saying this.
i’m so glad that you made a youtube video about this!!! i’ve been meaning to watch a video on this to understand the topic more, and i’m really happy that one of my favourite youtubers have!!!!! :DD
I, personally, have been a Melanie Martinez fan ever sense the crybaby album was released, I am saddened by the possibility of this allegation being true and I'm sure many others are too. For now I'm just waiting for Melanie to respond to the situation.
I’m with the victim with this one, Timothy doesn’t deserve what happened to her, regardless if it’s true or not, you do not go out your way to harass and stalk someone to the point of no return. This is coming from someone who was S/A’d
I was sexually coerced and the person who did this to me had also done things to other girls, and when I tried to talk to him about it from the other person‘s perspective, he also said she didn’t say no. That’s the most telling thing you can say You know what you’ve done and you’re giving yourself away. You know you’re guilty at that point. mind you, he said this about a hug because he kept hugging this girl and she didn’t know how to get him to stop even though she felt uncomfortable. she told him to stop in many ways that wasn’t stop, and then he said the same thing about insinuating something sexual with someone else.
I have loved Melanie Martinez for years, and I heard about this situation about a year ago, but not much of it. People were saying stuff about Timothy that I then believed as a naive fan who could only see stuff calling Timothy racist, a groomer, a gaslighter, and accusing her of crazy things. I didn’t know what this was. Even though I love Melanie, her movie, and her music, there’s no way I’m gonna shame Timothy. I had no idea that the situation was this deep. I had too heard that Timothy “confessed” to it being fake, and I just never looked into it deeper. Honestly, I’m mad at myself for liking hate posts towards Timothy and believing that Melanie could never do something like that because of her public image. I shouldn’t, but sometimes I see Melanie as a friend because of how much personally her music helped me. I think I need to remember that 1. Melanie’s public image doesn’t equal who she is 2. I shouldn’t hate a victim just because the accused r@pist is my favorite artist 3. I need to put myself in Timothy’s shoes. Someone who for years was hated on, had fake horrendous rumors spread about them, and who suffered (allegedly) a horrible act done to them by someone they loved. I’m not sure, I don’t know if I can pick sides, but when more comes out I’m definitely gonna look into it all Edit: 5 months later, I no longer support Melanie. I fully support Timothy. While everyone deserves their own opinion, I please ask Mel supporters to stop spreading fake edited posts and to hear Tim out
melanie used to be such a comfort artist for me, and i heard about this whole thing, but i heard people giving out stuff about how her friend was just trying to lie to get fame or something and i was like oh ok , but now im just absolutely disgusted
like. the "she didnt say no" thing i take super personally now because of some things. just bc they dont directly say anything doesnt mean its consent and even if they say yes after you beg and beg it doesnt mean they want it
Tbh its just weird how so many people either blindly defend or try to discredit Timothy or say they want to remain neutral instead of leaning towards timothy when these same people will jump to the defense with similar lack of evidence for women that accuse men! I think when women SA people like to excuse it, they do it when its a man, when it’s a young boy, and when its a woman, ive only seen people demonize women abusers if its like flat out vile sa of a toddler or something! Most sa is like this, someone you know and trust and its blurry and not clear cut, but when women accuse famous men in similar situations there is still a vocal side on the mans favor as always but there are FAR less “neutral “ “i dont wanna speculate “ people. It’s just really gross, just say you dont view women as capable of SA or that you view as less than and acknowledge your bias 😕! Anyways i like your content alot and i am glad u r bringing attention and not bashing Timothy!
I’m neutral on this situation. These types of heavy allegations should e taken to a court of law not the internet! I’m not saying that Timothy was wrong in anyway for coming out with these statements and she definitely in no way deserved any of the backlash that she received. Melanie’s fans treated her horribly and I feel it was her responsibility to make sure that didn’t happen. But, I’m not gonna take sides until factual evidence is presented because both parties have conflicting stories.
What's more disturbing is how they use phrases like "she didn't said no" "she can't remember the exact date" "she keeps changing things in her statement" like, have you ever been 🍇? Most victims tend to TRY TO FORGET THE TRAUMA AS A COPE MECHANISM. Plus the fans were the ones making fake proves of her being innocent because they know she isn't. I used to listen to Melanie, I found out about her music some time ago and I thought that this whole Timothy case was not that bad, but after hearing how Timothy keeps defending herself and Melanie HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING, who do you expect me to belive? Especially after I read Melanie's tweet of "she didn't said no". I'd rather belive a liar than a potentially 🍇pist who has another accusation of 🍇
Honestly, I have loved Melanie for a very long time but right now I do not know who to believe with the allegations going on currently. It seems more like the allegations of Melanie are more accurate considering what she said so far but, still I'll wait till further proof and who is actually telling the truth.
personally, idk what to believe but id prefer to believe someone who is allegedly lying rather than an alleged 🍇ist. not picking sides yet but its sad, i was a melanie fan when i was younger and when the allegations first came out and i stopped supporting melanie after that. i heard the allegations were dropped only a few months ago so i assumed everything was okay now and then this happens 😭 but yeah i really dont know who or what to believe. i hope something comes of this mess this time and we get answers. edit: yk, this is something i just realized. timothy WAS HIGH. cant people under the influence, idk, NOT give formal consent?? that alone should be something we focus more on but we dont.
@@himereiii better than believing and continuing to support someone that allegedly 🍇d someone ☠️. melanie doesn't look good right now. i dont fully support timothy either, id like to stay neutral but her story sounds more believable to me than melanies.
I remember when Timothy first came out with this. I was in 6th grade (I think) and I felt so disgusted that I had to stop listening to her. Never started again. I’m surprised this all came back tbh.
HELLO! I COME WITH INFORMATION - ⚠️PLEASE READ⚠️ I’ve been looking for somewhere to post this info, and here seems alright for now. This is what I’ve found after doing about an hour deep dive. Let’s first start with the night it “happened” - they were both teenagers and BOTH drunk and best friends at the time. Timothy was sleeping over at Mel’s house, and they messed around for a bit after both being the same age, and equally shitfaced drunk. Melanie saw it as consensual, and it’s possible that Timothy did at the time, but doesn’t now. Now, let’s skip forward a few years. Now it’s mid-2010s and Melanie does an interview where she states that a Psychic told her to eliminate a toxic person from her life (Timothy), which she did. Now I feel is an important time to mention that Timothy has BPD. She posted about it around the same time this all went down. This is important, as someone who has a mom with BPD, one of the things about it is that it makes you see the world very two sided. Either you’re good in Tim’s mind, or you’re evil. Basically, Mel was good, and then Mel was evil. There was no in between. BPD can also make people harder to deal with, as with any mental disorder, so that could’ve contributed to Mel not wanting to be friends anymore. Now flash forward to 2017, when the allegations first came out. Both Tim and Melanie were aspiring musicians, but Mel was already successful and beginning the Crybaby Tour, while Tim was just releasing her first single. Now, Tim’s single kind of flopped, and she couldn’t get a record label to take her. Timothy thinks “well, how can I get more attention to this song?” And guess what comes out about Mel. Now, Melanie is clearly devastated, she’s a good person and was likely terrified that she might’ve hurt someone in that way. She responded poorly, yes, but it was likely worded in a strange way that painted her in a bad light. Mel genuinely believed that Tim never said no, and just said it badly. Now, three things that are important to note before we move to the 2024 resurfacing. - Timothy shared “evidence” of the night it happened, but in the photo Mel had purple hair, and the night it supposedly happened Mel would’ve had blonde hair. Now, obviously Tim could’ve gotten the dates wrong, but it also means the proof could’ve been faked with other photos of Mel. - After the allegations came out, Timothy suddenly got signed by a record label. This rewarded this behavior and proved to her that just exaggerating allegations got her the fame and attention she needed. - Is it likely Mel’s fans “bullied Tim off the internet”, yes. Is it also just as likely that that’s exaggerated by Timothy and she only got a few messages that made her categorize Mel’s fans as “evil”? Yes. Now, it’s 2024. Mel’s on her trilogy tour - and I would not be surprised if Tim plans to release new music soon. She decides “oh, well how do I get attention? Oh, right, this is how!” And decides to cry big bad Melanie once again. Sure enough, she gets the attention she needs. I can’t say much else until Mel responds, but I do have some reasons why she’s hesitant. - her response last time was received very poorly, even though it was likely what she believed being truth - she feels she already said what needed to be said in 2017 - she feels guilty that Tim saw it as non-consensual or guilty that she stopped being friends with Tim. Now, to me, it seems that Tim made a lot of it up to help her career and following. Was Mel completely in the right? No. Did Tim completely lie? No. Is the world as black and white as Tim seems to see it as? No. Let me know any more questions you might have in the replies. I hope this helped you get more info on the situation.
i was so shocked n upset when i heard of what melanie was accused of:(( i loved melanie since she helped me through my shitty childhood like i related to songs etc, i always have been acknowledged that allegations n crap but i never really "cared" since i was little when became a fan n automatically believed what the fans r saying n the lies etc. but now as a 16 yo girl ive come to realized what melanie did was messed up n as much as i love her music n aesthetic i have to believe the victim. what the melanie fans r doing is hella wrong n making the situation worst for melanie n the allegations
im glad to see you covered this topic, I watched other videos about it which were informative, but yours had so far the most information that I myself didn't know before watching. also I see that robert smith in the background >:3
I feel like some Melanie fans are just using their own logic by saying “ oh well this happened in the past and she admitted to lying !!! “ That doesn’t mean anything really. Yeah, it might make it harder to believe her, but you can’t completely discredit what Timothy is saying. This whole situation is kind of stupid, as some ( not all ) Melanie fans are being extremely immature in the things they say to Timothy. There’s literally whole accounts just for this drama.
I think the fact that Timothy is still standing by her statement knowing she may receive the exact same treatment from Melanie’s fans again after all those years should speak more to such fans than the fact that the situation happened in 2017
This is why Im 65% sure mel is inno. In 2015 Heller claims in her original statement that Melanie pressured her and begged to touch her, and that she eventually gave in, but later on in a interview Heller claimed they had bought a s*x game, a important detail she chose to leave out her original statement, changing up the story. Also worth noting Heller has herself had stated the s*x game was her idea. Timothy also had originally mentioned Melanie had tried contacting her right after the allegations were put out, but, in an interview, claimed Melanie had never tried to contact her. Timothy also claimed that rape happen the 25th of June, but at the time Melanie was on tour going back home to LA, so there was no way it could've happened on that day. On Melanies old account she post a picture on June 25th of her in the car with the caption with "going home to LA with dis weave and a cookie on my head." When questioned about this Heller showed a picture as "proof" in the picture I couldn't help but notice how not only her hair color is different, Melaine is also on the deceiving side of the game (seeing she is handcuffed and blindfolded) and the outfit she is wearing is from May 2015, a whole month before Timothy claimed the situation happened. On December 5th 2017, Melanie released the following statement: "I am horrified and saddened by the statements and story told by Timothy Heller. What she and I shared was a close friendship for a period of time. We were both artists starting our careers as artists, and we tried to help each other. We both had pain in dealing with our individual demons and the new paths we were trying to lift each other up. She never said no to what we choose to do together.And although we parted ways, I am sending her love and light always," Said Melaine. Something that immediately got people jumping at her throat again was her saying "She never said no to what we choose to do together," which was mistook as her saying "she never said," a common phrase used among Grapist, but actually the opposite! What she meant is that everything they did was fully consensual, but due to the lack of wording it was taken the opposite way. Another thing I'd to point out is that Timothy referred her abuser as "he/him".. Later on Globe posts a video above, Globe say how Timothy talked about how Melaine tried to contact her, but she chose to ignore it and post the allegations because she thought it was " funny". Why post about it on tikTok and not take it to court. Anyway that's why I am leaning towards Melanies side because she has much more proof but on the other hand Timothy proof wasn't real and was from a different day. Also being graped is a topic is not something to take lightly so I'm slightly leaning towards Melanie's side but this is serious so I can't just think that Melanie didn't do it bc I love or loved her. But there's proof so that's why I 65% on Melanie side I'm waiting for her to respond. If she did do it I'm not gonna support her anymore but the whole case is just a mess, I will continue to listen to her music until every thing is sorted bc her music helped me though my darkest times but I have other therapy music It's sad for me because I built so much love around her and her music so it's hard to believe she did it along side with the proof idk who's side the readers on just pls wait for it to be all sorted aka something I wasn't doing not that long ago IMPORTANT
ruining someones career and image is a crazy thing to let happen. like I get you can't control your fans but like not saying anything about it is something
для меня самое логичное это то что мелани искренне считала что всё было обоюдно и она не придавала этому никакого значения, но это не оправдание что вместо того чтобы выслушать и понять человека она записала дис о том какая она бедная и её использовали ради популярности, при этом актриса которая играла маму в клипах мелани поддержала тимоти и рассказала о негативном опыте. да, грустно когда тебя считают насильницей хоть это не было твоими намерениями причинить вред и от тебя отворачиваются фанаты и сжигают мерч, но это даже близко не стоит с тем что пришлось пережить тимоти от сливов адреса до сливов интимных фотографий.
I heard about this when everyone was throwing their Melanie crybaby albums away in the trash when I was a kid. It was fresh back then and since I was so young, I didn’t understand anything but in my mind I had to be careful around Melanie because of this whole thing even when I didn’t know what sa was and what had happened. I knew everyone was angry. Then I revisited the situation a couple years ago and finally made my opinion which was that there was nothing proving Timothy wrong like all the other people claimed. There was also nothing proving her right. But I do know that Melanie was saying some weird things like “you need a healer” or something which is kinda weird to say?? And she said it happened but that it was consensual proving that this whole situation happened. The only question is if this is consensual so I don’t understand why some people are claiming to know what happened since we’ll probably never know unless there’s a confession.
I will always like her music because of the things it got me through... but i am always going to be disappointed in the things she has done. No excuse for SA.
I'm sorry but as a long time fan of Mel (since 2016) who has followed the story closely, I just can't believe Timothy. She has changed up the story drastically several times, went on an interview with a random 15 year old girl with no knowledge on how to interview, and has said that she refuses to press charges on Melanie. If she were really being honest, why would she go to the Internet instead of to court?
Melanie likely has more funds for lawyers and such. Also, Melanie literally admitted that something happened and then walked back when fans disproved the date, because who remembers the exact date they were assaulted? Why would Timothee come back to the internet with her claims after being doxxed and such if she is lying? Timothee literally talks about how her life was ruined after coming out the first time, and Melanie wrote a diss track about it.
I saw someone say they didn’t believe Timothy bc “Melanie Martinez doesn’t seem like the type of person to do it” LIKE WHAT??? (Also the song lunchbox friends ain’t sounding to good rn…)
i saw a comment saying that melanie was “too sweet/innocent” to do that. it sounds so parasocial bc they’re acting like they know her irl. even when i was a big fan of melanie i noticed that they had a big problem with babying her
@@Jade_West2010 inappropriate but usually advocating against the stuff shes being accused of, and has used her platform her entire career to platform victims and speak out against assault. i disagree with people acting like they know her or like its impossible for their fav to be a bad person, but theres a reason her public activism makes it hard to believe
I see people saying that timothy sa'd them and another saying that Melanie did, both stans do very bad things and idk why they think that they're helping timothy or Melanie when they're not
Separate the music from the artist, guys. You can be a fan of Mel’s music (She has great music) but her music is not her. Her music doesn’t replace or make up for her actions. What she did isn’t right and I just hope she can change and admit to her actions and hopefully stop at least most hate towards Timothy and be the person we can grow to love again.❤️
im neutral about this because theres just not enough about it, but i think the things mel stans have done to timothy is insane. like, they're mad that timothy got a few things wrong when literally it was a tramautic event, and are sending death threats to timothy. parasocial relationships are insane, you don't know melanie, you don't know if she's an evil person or not behind closed doors.
@@t0m_b Right!
also with oliver tree, the mel stans were attacking him even though him and mel are on good terms.
Even if Melanie turns out to be innocent that’s still not an excuse the toxic side of the fandom bullying Timothy. Timothy has BPD and the bullying is hurting her mental health more and more
the fans are flat out of control, I'm also pretty neutral
@@lillyarts2it just seems like they attack basically anyone who’s had a somewhat negative interaction or opinion on her, even if they do end on good terms like oliver
havent watched it fully but imo, if timothy “lied” abt it the first time and people ruined her life because of it i dont think she’d “lie” a second time, it’d be insane to.
that's what these stans don't wanna understand 💀
This!!!!
this!!
THIS
Genuinely, she got doxxed, harassed and could have her career ended in a second if Melanie decided to sue her for defamation. What’s the point of coming again to lie a second time knowing she’s not gonna gain anything out of it??
it's always "believe the victim!" "SA is bad!" and "eat the rich!" until it's their favorite music artist. the fans need to realize that she's not their friend and they don't know them personally..also HIII LISA! I love ur content and it's nice 2 see an alternative RUclipsr that isn't problematic!
Right! Thank you so much❤
That's what I hate so much about fanbases for artists. At the very least go out of your way not to support them by watching re-uploads of songs on RUclips.
(I love terezi sm ur so cool)
not saying it did or didn’t happen but i understand it being hard to believe a celeb would do something, because the accuser could just being doing it for fame. im going to stay neutral on this topic tho
@@lisaqqqno joke my friend loves Melanie and I told her she’s a rapist and she got angry bc I told her the truth
@@Eyepainzzz exactly!! and tysm I love terezi too she's one of my faves
someone said:
when it's a random person, the victim is right. when it's your favorite singer, the victims a liar.
Right
*cough cough* Michael Jackson
@@societycrumbleswhat did michael do 😭😭
@@DonutLover384 fr what did he do😭😭
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I was a Melanie fanpage but I left the fandom because of how toxic the fans are and about this whole situation. I made a video putting my Melanie merch away and I got multiple hate comments like "I can't believe you're on Timothy's side. I'm unfollowing you." or "You're a horrible person." This whole situation is literally the definition of "always believe the victim" till its your favorite person or artist or anyone you know. (Also you've gained a sub
Oh my gosh samee
I do want to mention the fact two people spoke up about this whole melanie situation that *actually* knew melanie, they were *both* on the side of Timothy.
There is a Louis McClung video about it that mentioned that
@@ConsistentlyInconsistent_J About a day ago the same person that was on Timothys side switched up on her unfortunately…The new information is popping up in real time so it’s very hard to keep up! Thank you for commenting this!
@@lisaqqq I didn't realize, stuff is changing so fast in this situation 😓
thank you for correcting me
Yupyup, that's how I found out about this situation. Louis covered a lot of stuff and mentioned some more detail about Melanie and her past.
@@ConsistentlyInconsistent_JYes and allegedly other people are saying Melanie did the same thing to her which is not a good look on her
@@Riverlovesyou Hi there! I would like to make a statement here, i've seen your comment and i respect and validate it ok? According to my opinion for this topic, Tell me, why aren't they in court, dealing with real life situations, place and the whole police, FBI government? If melanie actually done this, she would have been arrested, long long time ago. Communication in real life is important really... not always online.. Speaking this, because this is not something it should be taken in the internet, rather we are talking real life. The internet ain't always a good place, please remember that. ❤God bless you.First off, how do you know thats true though?🤔 we will need to find out. Of course, lets all stay and be natural. Secondly, if Timothy Heller was actually upset about this case, acknowledge that it is a crime and a serious one at that. She could've bring it up in court, of course anything can happen, but i really suggest anybody please do not accuse of anyone for something.. unscrupulous. No matter what they did, as God taught us to love thy neighbor, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who tries to persecute you. Pray for Timothy and Melanie guys! Nobody deserves to be thrown at the lake of fire - the second and final eternal destination.. orthodox ☦️
as a fan, consider me gone, until there’s actual evidence that she didn’t i don’t want to support someone who could have done s.a, it’s something that even if i love their music with my heart, i will immediately drop it
So sad that people aren’t listening to Timothy just because the person who is being accused just so happens to be their favorite music artist..
Thank you so much for sharing my videos!!! 🖤You are so cool!!!
Heya Solar! Big fan, but that's not the point. I agree, I'm neutral at the moment, though leaning to Melanie's side a little. Yes, she's my favorite artist, but Timothy has been "proven" wrong a few times. And I do NOT support anything that us Melanie fans did, like doxx her and other things.
oop, wtf solar why u here
Yesss!!
Timothy's friends have came out and said their statements on Timothy's "plans".
I'm using " because I really don't know anymore. We just can't believe it because Melanie has been a key part in our lives, giving therapy to some through her music, now she's SA someone? We can't believe it, give us a break. I am against doxxing her, that's really messed up.
I’m 15 as well and I’ve been a fan of Melanie sense I was around 8 years old, it’s upsetting to see this whole thing unfold. I think I’m not going to pick sides until Melanie side comes to light. That being said I do also believe innocent until proven guilty, and what Melanie fans did to Timothy was shitty :/
@@S0ggyBirb Thanks for your honest comment!
@@S0ggyBirb This! No one should be bullied off the internet.
Agreed
Agreedm
Real
i used to side with melanie until i actually looked into the situation again and realized just how bad of a person she is + how horribly she responded to a sexual assault allegation. the obsessed fans always try to poke holes in timothy's story as if melanie didn't confirm their encounter herself 💀. so happy i'm not supporting her anymore. btw you have a new subscriber
why is she a bad person for other things?
@@gallantmaxxingromanticizing traumatic events she never experienced, supporting ai generated art and nfts, taking trips to hawaii when the residents have been begging people to stop for years, ridiculously overpricing merch, etc.
@@gallantmaxxing + the fact that she never discouraged her fans from relentlessly harassing timothy and uh... ruining her life pretty much. makes her whole "love and light" thing look really insincere
Back in my sophomore year, me and my friends got into an argument because I said I didn’t like Melanie (I thought she was nice I just personally didn’t like her music and this was after TikTok waterboarded me with play date edits), despite my friends saying the accusations were false I still thought it was wrong for Melanie to stay in the dark and not stop her fans from bullying Timmothy away from the internet. If you have a platform of that size you have to not be reckless and this shows how dangerous it can be if not taken seriously. I’m happy that Timmothy was brave enough to come back and speak on this topic since she deserves justice.
the fact she HAS told her fans to back off other people in the past (example: oliver tree after the break up) but she didnt for timothy should say smth. SHE HAS AND CAN tell her fans to back off, even if she knows they wont.
@@aliengutszTHATS WHAT I WAS THINKING, THIS WHOLE THING IS BONKERS
I saw a Melanie fan say “We need to stop the trend of believing all victims” Like wtf
I mean we definitely should believe victims but multiple times people have been proven to lie about rape and SA
Oh that’s not
@@Arandompreson23 thats not what?
@@lovelynorah25 that’s not ok,
@@Arandompreson23 then why didn't you say that
„She didn’t say no!!!!” THATS LITERALLY ONE OF THE MOST S@ CODED TEXT????????
Also happy you’re back :3c 💙
erm actually it's "she never said no to what we chose to do together 🤓☝️" (sarcasm)
@@pastellxlita it’s so funny to see Melanie stans putting the whole quote as if it changes smh
@@sm0chiesif stuff happened multiple times like Timothy keeps saying why didn’t she report it hmmm?
Because nothing happened.
This is all because Mel isn’t her friend anymore so there’s no spotlight for her to be under and she desperately trying to get it back.
Yall need to realize this girl is a compulsive liar.
@@kaihunter5243 Do you realise how hard it is for girls to get their fellow girl SAers arrested or charged? Have you thought about the fact Mel may not be the best person? If she lied once why would she lie again? You have no evidence against Melanie that isn't fake or edited. Shut up.
As Melanie fan, I feel like the fanbase made things worst..
I am a fan too and i agree tbh
Exactly I seen someone say she could 🍇 them nexy
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As a huge Melanie fan, I support Timothy. This is the first time I am seeing the entirety of Timothy's video. Honestly if she's faking it she deserves a Grammy for those acting skills. I've been SA'd in the past, and I know how hard it is to be accused of lying. There are a few things I'd like to address about this whole situation though. Both on Melanie and Timothy's part. First of all I believe that Melanie staying silent is very strange and its not helping the situation at all. I'm sure they know about it by now, as its all over social media. And her contradictory statements confuse me as well. However there are some things in Timothy's story that don't make sense either. She's resurfacing the allegations during Melanie's biggest tour yet, but this could also just be a coincidence. Also, I feel like allegations of SA are not something you take to Tiktok about. There's also a possibility that one or both of them remember the events incorrectly, as they were both high at the time. In my personal experience with mj, the decisions I make whilst high are sometimes irrational, and my memory is very foggy after the fact. Some people report experiencing paranoia whilst high, so there is a chance that all of this is a huge misunderstanding. However SA is just too big of an allegation to be dismissed. I'm trying to remain neutral with this situation, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I would rather support a potential liar than a potential rapist. Though I will continue to listen to Melanie's music, I will support Timothy in whatever she decides to do next.
I've been a Melanie fan since I was 8 or 9 years old (I'm currently 17) and this situation really makes me very upset. Her music was a big part of my life when I was in horrible situations, it was like a bandage to my heart. So ofc, i also didnt even know about this situation until a few years ago. I'm so mad at Melanie and i feel terrible for Timothy. I can't even imagine how it must feel. Telling something so personal and so terrible, expecting people to support you, but you only receive comments wishing you the worst ...
Thank you for your comment🖤
Hi there! I would like to make a statement here, i've seen your comment and i respect and validate it ok? According to my opinion for this topic, Tell me, why aren't they in court, dealing with real life situations, place and the whole police, FBI government? If melanie actually done this, she would have been arrested, long long time ago. Communication in real life is important really... not always online.. Speaking this, because this is not something it should be taken in the internet, rather we are talking real life. The internet ain't always a good place, please remember that. ❤God bless you.First off, how do you know thats true though?🤔 we will need to find out. Of course, lets all stay and be natural. Secondly, if Timothy Heller was actually upset about this case, acknowledge that it is a crime and a serious one at that. She could've bring it up in court, of course anything can happen, but i really suggest anybody please do not accuse of anyone for something.. unscrupulous. No matter what they did, as God taught us to love thy neighbor, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who tries to persecute you. Pray for Timothy and Melanie guys! Nobody deserves to be thrown at the lake of fire - the second and final eternal destination.. orthodox ☦️
@@stefigachadimova7479famous people almost never get prosecuted so the best thing is to let the world know
She’s innocent!❤
not saying no does NOT mean a yes. only a yes means a yes. not a maybe, or a i don’t know or not answering. ONLY A YES MEANS YES. saying it louder for the people in the back
@@_silly_thing Thank you!!!!
“She never said no to what WE CHOSE to do together”
Stop twisting her words
Yall keep forgetting the word WE
"the things WE CHOOSE TO DO TOGETHER"
ITS "WE'
@TrueMena except for the fact that timothy didn’t choose. she did say no.and it was ignored. tim was broken down so much by someone she once trusted
This is always taking out of context. She was saying this in RESPONSE to tim saying that she did say no.
Her stans are crazy, some of them say they will still love her no matter what 😭😭
I saw one Stan say "IF I were timothy, id be great full I was chosen". I threw up, like genuienlym
@successagbonifo88 screaming crying throwing up because I promise that's the TikTok crybabies, MOST MEL FANS ARENT LIKE THAT 😭
like someone else said on another video, i'd rather side with an alleged liar than an alleged rapist.
edit: alright, i phrased this badly. i have been trying my best to stay neutral, but it is hard especially since the evidence we do have seems to be much more in favor of timothy.
also, yes, lying about SA is awful and disgusting, but it's even worse to actually SA someone. so i'd rather side with timothy in this case, because lying about SA is still bad, but not as bad as actually doing it.
I agree
I legit just saw that exact video before this one
I agree with you but people really shouldn’t lie about being raped
I just watched that one too!!
I think you should just be neutral and not believe either side. We don’t know if it’s true and imagine is Melanie really was innocent? Timothy would be such a horrible person. But.. we don’t know. So it’s better not to take sides.
Last year there was some drama around the Melanie Martinez allegations too. A streamer called Brad Taste in Music (yes ik he’s problematic) gave a bad review to PORTALS, and he and his wife talked about the allegations against her and why they believed Timothy. Then, a bunch of Melanie fans went after them, sending gore and death threats. Nevertheless, Brad continued to review Melanie’s work and even watched a defense of Melanie made by The Crow (another RUclipsr, also kinda problematic) and debunked it. Crow responded to Brad, Brad responded to Crow’s response, and there was a small feud between the fanbases of Brad, Crow, and Melanie, including Brad's fans making fun of Crow's sexual assault. I haven’t seen anyone mention the Brad/Crow incident in their essays on this topic, and I understand why, but I just wanted to mention it.
And thats how I find out Brad and Crow are also problematic? Jesus. I really kinda forgot abt them
Wait why is brad problematic? He seems chill
@@Benedetta-Marcarinihe platformed an asshole and then realized he fucked up, apologizing for it and taking a break. Not sure where this parent comment has to do with it seems like a misreading
@@Benedetta-Marcarini he defended and supported rose mulet who's done some awful stuff. idk that much bc this was all like a month ago and I haven't checked on his channel since
I know brad’s fans also sent Crow some horrible comments mocking their own SA :((
Melanie fans in 2017: “She didn’t say no guys🔥🔥🙏🏼💅✨🥰😼”
Melanie fans in 2024: “SHE DIDNT SAY NO GUYS…😨😨‼️😰😰😰😬🤢😧”
Exactlyyyy
As a Mel fan it’s more like: “SHE DIDNT SAY NO 👹👹👹👹👹😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😢”
Shows how far we’ve gotten as a society
tbf i think she said that because timothy said multiple times in her statement "i always said no", and melanie then complemented that with "to what we chose to do together". but in no way I'm gonna be her lawyer, only if she pays me.
@@s3xyd1rtyh03if I remember correctly Tim also said that she didn’t have the heart to say no towards Mel specifically
TW FOR SH
i literally got cyberbullied to the point of SH because i refuse to defend melanie...the fandom disgusts me EDIT: yall they're at it again :(
i'm so sorry you went through that, these people are truly insane
Im sorry :( some mel fans are crazy, i hope you’re ok
@@Mousexx im a lot better!
@@GE3P_GL0RP thats good at least!!
I used to get doxxed, hacked, and called slurs just for correcting misinformation spread by Melanie fans
"Support the victims!" Until it's their favorite artist then everyone stays silent, I literally just ended a friendship because of this
the parasocial relationship fans have gained with melanie is concerning and weird. when she was accused by timothy, the first responses i see are 'she would never do that to someone.' and it seems as if they know her and how she treats others. melanie has huge control over her fans and its insane. imagine having a fanbase willing to ignore SA for you. thats where the parasocial relationship starts becoming harmful to timothy, the woman who endured SA and being harassed and doxxed off the internet and STILL being told she wasnt assaulted! its absolutely crazy how much people suck up to melanie and how no one speaks about it.
they're a literal cult it's so disturbing
i believe timothy because melanie never denied the situation, she just said "she never said no" but then when her fans claimed they were never in the same place that night at all, melanie was like "thanks guys for debunking it! you are so right!" and ppl forget that...
I am not and have never been a fan of either artists, and will not pick a side until it's COMPLETELY cleared up- but defending someone just because you are their fan without even THINKING about the other person is DISGUSTING.
@@SincerelyBinks Exactly
I ALSO WOULD RATHER SUPPORT A POTENTIAL LIAR THAN A POTENTIAL BAD PERSON.
i don’t pick a side, but if Timothy‘s story is true. i will always support the victim, not the assaulter. but it still hurts to find out what Melanie could of possibly of done. even though they have made many songs against R@pe, and SA. so that’s manly the reason why im devastated, and upset
melanie says she had absolute consent and timothy bought the sex toys they used and took a pic of melanie without her knowing though? it seems like she knew she'd need insurance for a story. i do not agree with people attacking tim though
@CallmeSada1buying the kit does not imply consent i feel like alot of you guys do not understand consent timothy said herself she only did “silly” things with the dice roll game whilst melanie wanted to do more intimate stuff timothy consented to playing the silly parts of the game she didnt consent to having oral preformed on her
@@gallantmaxxingconsent can be withdrawn at any time and timothy wasnt even in the right state to consent i know you guys dont know how consent works but you cant consent when you’re intoxicated which she clearly was timothy said she consented to playing the silly roles on the dice game but didnt consent to oral or the touching of her breasts
@@doyouknowwatermelon1711 Melanie wasnt in a right state to consent either then, they were both high, making them both assaulters if thats the logic you wanna use. If u cant consent when intoxicated, then timothy assaulted Melanie since timothy was the one to introduce melanie to weed, while melanie was under the legal smoking age but TImothy wasn't. Timothy was the one who bought the weed, and was the first to make a move on melanie. Timothy literally pressured Melanie into smoking when Melanie was against it, and couldn't legally smoke. Do y'all forget Timothy was older than Melanie and has a history of taking advantage of younger people as well as actual minors? A mom and her daughter have spoken out against Timothy, as well as a minor who interviewed her about the allegations and later said Timothy was extremely inappropriate toward them. Also legally, oral or breast touching isnt r2pe. R2pe is exclusively unconsensual penetration, by legal definition, which did not happen. Anyone calling melanie a r2pist because of the allegations is ill informed and devaluing the word r2pe which harms victims.
@@doyouknowwatermelon1711 "I know u guys dont know how consent works" Yeah, being condescending doesn't make ur point look better, you look rude and uneducated. It's not like I'm a victim who works in trauma or anything, not like I'm clearly more educated on consent laws than you since you don't even realize how your logic makes Timothy a predator too. And of course consent can be withdrawn at any point, and both Timothy and Melanie implied it was never withdrawn.
I hate that people are backing this up like well it Melanie so it’s not that bad….SA IS SA no matter who your favorite artist is.
THANK YOU 💕
man i’ve been a huge fan of melanie since i was 9 & i’m currently 16 right now, and seeing all of this just makes me feel like my time has been wasted :/ the only thing i knew from the allegations was that people were saying that timothy “claimed” to make it up but i never saw any evidence of that, and these allegations coming back into light again makes it SO hard for me to support melanie or her music. i want to stay neutral until melanie speaks up but her silence on the matter isn’t helping at all + i’m an sa victim myself, so seeing timothy receive so much hate just because she spoke up sort of resonates with me in a weird way. even if timothy is found to be lying, nothing justifies the intense bullying she received, and i would & was embarresed to call myself a melanie fan because of how bad of a reputation the fandom has
frr
i don't understand how stans operate, they have ruined this girl's life and made her means of income useless.
Also, i feel like this isn't taken as seriously because it's coercive sexual abuse and not plain rape...
Anyways, i believe timothy and i wish her the best
@@amandapetersroessler4547 Right! Thanks for your comment🖤
Wouldn't it be plain rape since Timothy clearly said they weren't consenting?
the format of your videos scratches the itch in my adhd brain😭 , super entertaining to watch
the way people will still stay on melanie's side despite so many people coming out about it, and her even admitting something happened between them is BEYOND me.
As someone who was SA’d by my girlfriend and my defense for her was always “I never said no” it still hurts. Just because I didn’t say no doesn’t mean it doesn’t still affect me to this day. I love Melanie Martinez but if this is really true that is awful and I am so sorry for the victim and I’m wishing for healing and sending support
I don’t know what happened but I still think that people putting down Timothy with no actual evidence are just disgusting
Listen to Melanie’s music all you want but acknowledge that there’s a decent chance it did happen and that it’s not okay to call Timothy a liar
That’s my personal thoughts about this all and I hope people will eventually understand this more and that you can separate art from artist
Thank you for your honest comment!!🖤
I love Mel but what she did was not right but every person has a second chance but that's just my thoughts
Agreed
Im personally waiting for mels thing but i do find it shady that she said smth happened and then agreed that it didnt. I personally am very sad and will be incredibly upset if the allegations are true. But you do not know people because you listen to them. 2024 genuinely feels like a fever dream. So much is happening and falling apart its just surreal.
This gave me a much better perspective of the whole situation. I've read a bit about it and it's always written by one whos sticking to one defending them in every way so we don't even get to see it from the other persons perspective and what happened. I have much respect for Melanie, but these allegations make me sick.
this whole situation is so upsetting. i'm 15 as well, and mel is the one artist i've been a fan of for the longest. her music has just become a part of my life in so many ways and it's helped me so much throughout the years. i love her to bits and as much as i want to defend her this is just so shady and any subconscious doubts i previously had about her innocence have definitely grown. i really hope everything is false but timothy seems so sincere and i feel terrible for her. what some fans have done to her is awful. no one deserves that. i think i'll continue to stay neutral until more comes out but i really really hope it doesnt. i have tickets to see her in september and i've been counting down the days since i got them, but this honestly changes things
I completely relate to this, I’m 14 and I’ve got tickets in September too - such a difficult situation 🥹
“The history book on its shelf it’s always repeating itself”
It’s always believe the victim till the predator is an attractive popular woman with fans
I’ve been devastated for days about the whole situation, due to Melanie helping me through some hard times (through her songs I don’t know her personally) and I believe Timothy. Idk what to do about it all and it is absolutely heartbreaking to me. I hope Melanie comes out with a statement as it would be much better for us fans so we could decide what we want to do.
My opinion on this as a 4+ yr fan is that we ALL need to wait for melanies response. From what i heard thry were both drunk/high. If melanie is proven guilty, i highly believe in seperate art from the artist. I would probably listen to her music from different creators.
OMG I NEEDED THIS TYSM! btw I subbed yesterday after watching a couple of your vids! I think you are very smart and you have very good and reasonable opinions on controversial topics! Luv ya
Aw thank you!!🖤
Im neutral. But people that said "i hope its fake so i can continue supporting her"
Instead of " i hope its fake so no one was SAed"
Some fans are rlly not good.
I think a big part of the problem is people thinking their love for an artist should override any allegations and they can take all their words as gospel.
I ADORE mcr so much, but if I heard one of them had allegations this bad, (god forbid, but just as an example of a band I love) I would be really upset, but I wouldn't blindly believe anything they say if there was evidence contrasting it.
I think out of control parasocial relationships with celebrities have become more of a problem in recent years, and we as a collective need to do more to address this so this sort of reaction from fans happens less.
(I LOVE ur channel btw and the Frank ref pfp is still so cool)
even if fans of melanie are denying this situation, melanie still isnt a good person, and fame has gotten to her head. it was proven in timothy's piece, and there was a twitter post by an ex-makeup artist (she was also friends with this artist) and they confirmed she was abusing her power backstage, and had no intention of being respectful.
It's not even just about the SA accusations. Melanie just scams her fans, has sold nfts, and has made some pretty gross songs. She just doesn't feel like a very great person.
(Also, even if Timothee HAD consented, she still said she had a boyfriend at the time. That means Melanie still had sex with someone with a boyfriend, willingly, knowing that. It's giving Ariana energy. Not in a good way.)
But if you knew you had a boyfriend why are you even buying handcuffs and playing with sexual cards???
@@emixxixx3001 I apologize in advance if this comes across in any way as rude as that's not my intention, but playing a game that's suggestive or sexual with a friend doesn't mean that you're consenting to having sex with that friend or are cheating on your partner. For many people, even if they're in a relationship, playing a game like that with a friend would be unserious and just for fun.
Again, I'm sorry if this came across as rude, but I hope this was worded in a way that didn't feel aggressive or anything of the sort :)
as an actual victim of most of the stuff shes sang about, i dont think her songs are gross. i find them really cathartic in an industry that doesnt talk about this stuff
@@gallantmaxxing And that's a-okay!! If you like her work and find enjoyment in it, more power to you. But with that being said, a lot of other people who have been in similar situations don't like her work and find it gross and offensive. I don't want to say that Mel herself hasn't been through those things- I don't like assuming what traumas people have, of course- but she herself HAS stated that Cry Baby's story isn't based on her own life and is completely made up for the sake of being "whimsical."
@@JustAHuman101 Whimsical being in quotes is a little strange as she's never used that word to describe why she does what she does. But I understand the rest of ur perspective!
The statement 'she never said no,' has always been absolutely disgusting to me. That is the kind of statement that a manipulating r*pist would make. I'm a r*pe survivor and a statement like that, is deeply triggering to me. The only hard part for me is it seems that she didn't seem to know the actual time around when it happened. I don't mean that to offend. I'm a r*pe survivor and even if I can't pinpoint the exact dates off of the top of my head, I can tell you with certainty that both incidents occurred in mid December 2015 (the same person r*ped me during 2 separate incidents).Granted, if Timothy repressed, and/or suppressed the trauma, that may be part of why she had to look through her phone for the dates. The date thing gnaws at me, but more than anything else, I will NEVER continue to support someone who states, 'she never said no,' 🤮 I had been a fan of Melanie's ever since she was on The Voice, and I remember the backlash when Timothy first spoke up, and how SO MANY people from before, during, and after that, STILL support Melanie. I think the last song that I ever listened to by Melanie, is Mad Hatter, and that was YEARS ago. Never again.
It's sad that Melanie's fans will even make false rumours and edited screenshots just to make timothy seem like a liar and attention seeker, as an SA and almost 🍇 victim, I don't even remember the month it happened, let alone remember the day, and I've also heard that melanie verbally abuses her staff and has also begged Madeline(apologies if i said the name incorrectly, I'm not very good at remembering things) to sleep with her. This incident just comes to show how people will believe the victim until the assaulter is someone famous they look up to.
I was a huge Melanie fan for a long time. Got a lot of merch, seen her in concert twice, once just last month. It makes me so sad to see the first artist I fell in love with fall into this behavior, especially given the message of her music. I don’t know if Timothy is telling the truth or not because there isn’t any proof and she hasn’t gone to the law(which she really should have), so I can’t rightly form an opinion in my head. That said what Timothy went through to try and speak out was ridiculous. I really feel for her especially for that. We need to stop idolizing musicians to such an extent. They are human and are just as capable of evil. I won’t be buying any more merch or concert tickets for her, but I don’t think I’ll stop listening to the music. They say to separate the art from the artist which is what I will do to an extent. I know I’ll be called out for this, but people do it all the time. Everyone still loves music from Get Scared right? They are responsible for something that’s a million times worse.
Believe it or not cyber bulling and doxing is very wrong
what no way!!! 🤯🤯🤯
Very controversial take apparently, dont tell crazy Melanie Martinez fans this…
It doesn’t matter if Timothy was lying Melanie fans destroyed her life and she didn’t deserve this
I haven’t listened to her in a while, but with the vr visits and nft collections they sold, I stepped back. “She never said no” is making me icky.
Exactly like if those haters are going to use that bullshit of a statement just remember she never said “yes”.
“She never said no what we chose to do together” implying they had both chosen to take part in whatever they did. I’m not trying to defend Melanie but only quoting half the sentence is misleading
Finally someone said it everything just started piling up I don’t believe either side fully but Melanie’s character been seeping out more and more every year
@@kingutica6205I'm not sure the rest of the line makes the icky feeling go away tbh. both parts of the line are attempting to imply consent & that doesn't really feel right in this situation. The partial line sounds a little more malicious, but the full line doesn't sound less gross
@@kingutica6205It’s not misleading. Even if Melanie said “She never said no to what we chose to do together” doesn’t mean Timothy consented. That doesn’t mean Melanie is telling the truth just because she says “I didn’t do anything etc etc”
i HATE when ppl say "it was proven she was in new york at the time"
Same
Melanie's music is so important to me. I relate to literally all of her songs. But I am mortified right now. Back then I thought it was proven she was innocent and didn't look much more into it, however I never did and will never encourage hate and harassment, what Timothy went through is insane and I wish people would do better. I'm waiting for Melanie's answer and for now, I won't listen to her music anymore as to not give her audience on Spotify. I hope people are mature enough NOT TO harass Timothy, and let's point fingers at suspected abusers NOT at suspected victims.
Mel actually said “She didn’t say no to something we mutually agreed on” by the way
@AirfryedHyunjin it’s cropped
@AirfryedHyunjin it was proved it was cropped
I'm 15 too and I honestly never supported or believe Melanie however I don't blame younger fans who were influenced by the fake evidence regarding Timothy lying a few years back..., however now considering majority of those fans are much older and Timothy has came out regarding the issue their should be no issue supporting Timothy and understanding melanie's wrongdoings..., the biases some Melanie fans have smh... although melanie does have personal lyrics that an abundance of fans can relate to that shouldn't indicate how much they know her on an interpersonal level and making assumptions in general regarding the validity of Timothy's case is wrong in general and I hope most melanie fans don't disregard the issue
Thank you so much for speaking up regarding this issue, I'm glad it's finally getting more traction now..., I'd recommend giving Timothy some more listens on her music and sending her support on tiktok... this video genuinely made me tear up I find it sickening how people have treated Timothy this way
I have been a fan of Melanie for around 3 years and i found out about this situation recently and i was so disappointed...There was never much of information about all of this but i am not on anyone's side until Melanie speaks up about this.I listened to what Timothy said and believe her but not fully.I don't know if Melanie is ever gonna speak up about this situation again after making kind of a dumb response but i think she really should...let's hope for the best.
I feel the same way as you. I grew up with Melanie and I loved her so so much. Her music is very nostalgic to my childhood. But then she ended up doing something shitty and I'm not on her side. I'm just sad because I liked her alot :(
You cant know if is true, wait, let melanie speak up. But person and artist are 2 different things. So you can continue listen to her❤ (just saying)
I have been a Melanie fan for years now, I remember this happening years ago and I was young at the time, so I didn't fully understand. I feel like I'm on the same page with Lisa on this because I really do want to hear Melanie's side of the story. I really do feel bad for Timothy, I would've never targeted her if I had a full understanding of the situation, and even now I wouldn't target her. I just hope this whole situation can be resolved and I really hope Melanie will give her side. I honestly thought Melanie changed since I remember her speaking out on some situations, but I guess she refuses to talk about this. I am also disappointed because she never told fans to not target her. I also wanted to say thank you Lisa for talking about this clearly, I also just discovered your channel. Sorry for the long comment I just felt like saying this.
i’m so glad that you made a youtube video about this!!! i’ve been meaning to watch a video on this to understand the topic more, and i’m really happy that one of my favourite youtubers have!!!!! :DD
I, personally, have been a Melanie Martinez fan ever sense the crybaby album was released, I am saddened by the possibility of this allegation being true and I'm sure many others are too. For now I'm just waiting for Melanie to respond to the situation.
I always loved her and it breaks my heart to see something like this
mel said “she never said no” but there’s a million ways to say no without actually saying it
I’m with the victim with this one, Timothy doesn’t deserve what happened to her, regardless if it’s true or not, you do not go out your way to harass and stalk someone to the point of no return.
This is coming from someone who was S/A’d
I was sexually coerced and the person who did this to me had also done things to other girls, and when I tried to talk to him about it from the other person‘s perspective, he also said she didn’t say no. That’s the most telling thing you can say You know what you’ve done and you’re giving yourself away. You know you’re guilty at that point. mind you, he said this about a hug because he kept hugging this girl and she didn’t know how to get him to stop even though she felt uncomfortable. she told him to stop in many ways that wasn’t stop, and then he said the same thing about insinuating something sexual with someone else.
I have loved Melanie Martinez for years, and I heard about this situation about a year ago, but not much of it. People were saying stuff about Timothy that I then believed as a naive fan who could only see stuff calling Timothy racist, a groomer, a gaslighter, and accusing her of crazy things. I didn’t know what this was. Even though I love Melanie, her movie, and her music, there’s no way I’m gonna shame Timothy. I had no idea that the situation was this deep. I had too heard that Timothy “confessed” to it being fake, and I just never looked into it deeper. Honestly, I’m mad at myself for liking hate posts towards Timothy and believing that Melanie could never do something like that because of her public image. I shouldn’t, but sometimes I see Melanie as a friend because of how much personally her music helped me. I think I need to remember that
1. Melanie’s public image doesn’t equal who she is
2. I shouldn’t hate a victim just because the accused r@pist is my favorite artist
3. I need to put myself in Timothy’s shoes. Someone who for years was hated on, had fake horrendous rumors spread about them, and who suffered (allegedly) a horrible act done to them by someone they loved.
I’m not sure, I don’t know if I can pick sides, but when more comes out I’m definitely gonna look into it all
Edit: 5 months later, I no longer support Melanie. I fully support Timothy. While everyone deserves their own opinion, I please ask Mel supporters to stop spreading fake edited posts and to hear Tim out
melanie used to be such a comfort artist for me, and i heard about this whole thing, but i heard people giving out stuff about how her friend was just trying to lie to get fame or something and i was like oh ok , but now im just absolutely disgusted
ive been so confused on how i felt about it but now im just really angry about it
like. the "she didnt say no" thing i take super personally now because of some things. just bc they dont directly say anything doesnt mean its consent and even if they say yes after you beg and beg it doesnt mean they want it
Tbh its just weird how so many people either blindly defend or try to discredit Timothy or say they want to remain neutral instead of leaning towards timothy when these same people will jump to the defense with similar lack of evidence for women that accuse men! I think when women SA people like to excuse it, they do it when its a man, when it’s a young boy, and when its a woman, ive only seen people demonize women abusers if its like flat out vile sa of a toddler or something! Most sa is like this, someone you know and trust and its blurry and not clear cut, but when women accuse famous men in similar situations there is still a vocal side on the mans favor as always but there are FAR less “neutral “ “i dont wanna speculate “ people. It’s just really gross, just say you dont view women as capable of SA or that you view as less than and acknowledge your bias 😕! Anyways i like your content alot and i am glad u r bringing attention and not bashing Timothy!
Maybe the ppl who wanna be neutral is because they don't wanna be involved...
I’m neutral on this situation. These types of heavy allegations should e taken to a court of law not the internet! I’m not saying that Timothy was wrong in anyway for coming out with these statements and she definitely in no way deserved any of the backlash that she received. Melanie’s fans treated her horribly and I feel it was her responsibility to make sure that didn’t happen. But, I’m not gonna take sides until factual evidence is presented because both parties have conflicting stories.
What's more disturbing is how they use phrases like "she didn't said no" "she can't remember the exact date" "she keeps changing things in her statement" like, have you ever been 🍇? Most victims tend to TRY TO FORGET THE TRAUMA AS A COPE MECHANISM. Plus the fans were the ones making fake proves of her being innocent because they know she isn't.
I used to listen to Melanie, I found out about her music some time ago and I thought that this whole Timothy case was not that bad, but after hearing how Timothy keeps defending herself and Melanie HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING, who do you expect me to belive? Especially after I read Melanie's tweet of "she didn't said no". I'd rather belive a liar than a potentially 🍇pist who has another accusation of 🍇
Honestly, I have loved Melanie for a very long time but right now I do not know who to believe with the allegations going on currently. It seems more like the allegations of Melanie are more accurate considering what she said so far but, still I'll wait till further proof and who is actually telling the truth.
Thanks for your comment!
Do your own research and come to your own conclusions that what I did
crazyy man. My r*pist liked melanie so i find this funny as hell
i saw her recently at lolla and now idk how to feel anymore. now that im older im reconsidering everything
personally, idk what to believe but id prefer to believe someone who is allegedly lying rather than an alleged 🍇ist. not picking sides yet but its sad, i was a melanie fan when i was younger and when the allegations first came out and i stopped supporting melanie after that. i heard the allegations were dropped only a few months ago so i assumed everything was okay now and then this happens 😭 but yeah i really dont know who or what to believe. i hope something comes of this mess this time and we get answers.
edit: yk, this is something i just realized. timothy WAS HIGH. cant people under the influence, idk, NOT give formal consent?? that alone should be something we focus more on but we dont.
Saying you’d rather believe a liar isn’t a good look either u know
@@himereiii better than believing and continuing to support someone that allegedly 🍇d someone ☠️. melanie doesn't look good right now. i dont fully support timothy either, id like to stay neutral but her story sounds more believable to me than melanies.
@@himereiiiwell yeah but what’s worse believing an alleged liar, or an alleged 🍇ist?
"The only thing they didn't get into was my bank account" WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
I honestly think we should try to believe the alleged victim, because this is exactly why people are scared to come out about their SA experiences
No we need evidence not just believing in someone’s words, people do lie so you can’t always believe them you need proof
@@Captaiesqueleto i know that we need evidence, im saying that people shouldn’t immediately say that it didn’t happen because it could of
@@roa_vy5 I agree with that, we should not call anyone that claims to get grape a liar cause they might feel not wanting to tell anyone
I remember when Timothy first came out with this. I was in 6th grade (I think) and I felt so disgusted that I had to stop listening to her. Never started again. I’m surprised this all came back tbh.
HELLO! I COME WITH INFORMATION - ⚠️PLEASE READ⚠️
I’ve been looking for somewhere to post this info, and here seems alright for now. This is what I’ve found after doing about an hour deep dive.
Let’s first start with the night it “happened” - they were both teenagers and BOTH drunk and best friends at the time. Timothy was sleeping over at Mel’s house, and they messed around for a bit after both being the same age, and equally shitfaced drunk. Melanie saw it as consensual, and it’s possible that Timothy did at the time, but doesn’t now. Now, let’s skip forward a few years.
Now it’s mid-2010s and Melanie does an interview where she states that a Psychic told her to eliminate a toxic person from her life (Timothy), which she did. Now I feel is an important time to mention that Timothy has BPD. She posted about it around the same time this all went down. This is important, as someone who has a mom with BPD, one of the things about it is that it makes you see the world very two sided. Either you’re good in Tim’s mind, or you’re evil. Basically, Mel was good, and then Mel was evil. There was no in between. BPD can also make people harder to deal with, as with any mental disorder, so that could’ve contributed to Mel not wanting to be friends anymore.
Now flash forward to 2017, when the allegations first came out. Both Tim and Melanie were aspiring musicians, but Mel was already successful and beginning the Crybaby Tour, while Tim was just releasing her first single. Now, Tim’s single kind of flopped, and she couldn’t get a record label to take her. Timothy thinks “well, how can I get more attention to this song?” And guess what comes out about Mel. Now, Melanie is clearly devastated, she’s a good person and was likely terrified that she might’ve hurt someone in that way. She responded poorly, yes, but it was likely worded in a strange way that painted her in a bad light. Mel genuinely believed that Tim never said no, and just said it badly.
Now, three things that are important to note before we move to the 2024 resurfacing.
- Timothy shared “evidence” of the night it happened, but in the photo Mel had purple hair, and the night it supposedly happened Mel would’ve had blonde hair. Now, obviously Tim could’ve gotten the dates wrong, but it also means the proof could’ve been faked with other photos of Mel.
- After the allegations came out, Timothy suddenly got signed by a record label. This rewarded this behavior and proved to her that just exaggerating allegations got her the fame and attention she needed.
- Is it likely Mel’s fans “bullied Tim off the internet”, yes. Is it also just as likely that that’s exaggerated by Timothy and she only got a few messages that made her categorize Mel’s fans as “evil”? Yes.
Now, it’s 2024. Mel’s on her trilogy tour - and I would not be surprised if Tim plans to release new music soon. She decides “oh, well how do I get attention? Oh, right, this is how!” And decides to cry big bad Melanie once again. Sure enough, she gets the attention she needs.
I can’t say much else until Mel responds, but I do have some reasons why she’s hesitant.
- her response last time was received very poorly, even though it was likely what she believed being truth
- she feels she already said what needed to be said in 2017
- she feels guilty that Tim saw it as non-consensual or guilty that she stopped being friends with Tim.
Now, to me, it seems that Tim made a lot of it up to help her career and following.
Was Mel completely in the right? No. Did Tim completely lie? No. Is the world as black and white as Tim seems to see it as? No.
Let me know any more questions you might have in the replies. I hope this helped you get more info on the situation.
Thank you! Finally someone brings up the possibility that it happened and you dont automatically say Melanie’s a r--st or Timothy is a mayor liar
Thank you sm
This, imo should be the pinned comment and the fact the creator didn't respond kinda of show their entire take on this
i was so shocked n upset when i heard of what melanie was accused of:(( i loved melanie since she helped me through my shitty childhood like i related to songs etc, i always have been acknowledged that allegations n crap but i never really "cared" since i was little when became a fan n automatically believed what the fans r saying n the lies etc. but now as a 16 yo girl ive come to realized what melanie did was messed up n as much as i love her music n aesthetic i have to believe the victim. what the melanie fans r doing is hella wrong n making the situation worst for melanie n the allegations
I don’t care if it’s my favorite artist I will always believe an SA victim who’s trying to talk about it
“We love you Lisa!” *we all say in unison*
im glad to see you covered this topic, I watched other videos about it which were informative, but yours had so far the most information that I myself didn't know before watching.
also I see that robert smith in the background >:3
I remember this controversy as a fan back in 2017 and it is mind boggling that it’s still going on. Something is up here. I can say that.
I feel like some Melanie fans are just using their own logic by saying “ oh well this happened in the past and she admitted to lying !!! “ That doesn’t mean anything really. Yeah, it might make it harder to believe her, but you can’t completely discredit what Timothy is saying. This whole situation is kind of stupid, as some ( not all ) Melanie fans are being extremely immature in the things they say to Timothy. There’s literally whole accounts just for this drama.
I think the fact that Timothy is still standing by her statement knowing she may receive the exact same treatment from Melanie’s fans again after all those years should speak more to such fans than the fact that the situation happened in 2017
@@lisaqqq agreed
This is why Im 65% sure mel is inno. In 2015 Heller claims in her original statement that Melanie pressured her and begged to touch her, and that she eventually gave in, but later on in a interview Heller claimed they had bought a s*x game, a important detail she chose to leave out her original statement, changing up the story. Also worth noting Heller has herself had stated the s*x game was her idea. Timothy also had originally mentioned Melanie had tried contacting her right after the allegations were put out, but, in an interview, claimed Melanie had never tried to contact her. Timothy also claimed that rape happen the 25th of June, but at the time Melanie was on tour going back home to LA, so there was no way it could've happened on that day. On Melanies old account she post a picture on June 25th of her in the car with the caption with "going home to LA with dis weave and a cookie on my head." When questioned about this Heller showed a picture as "proof" in the picture I couldn't help but notice how not only her hair color is different, Melaine is also on the deceiving side of the game (seeing she is handcuffed and blindfolded) and the outfit she is wearing is from May 2015, a whole month before Timothy claimed the situation happened. On December 5th 2017, Melanie released the following statement: "I am horrified and saddened by the statements and story told by Timothy Heller. What she and I shared was a close friendship for a period of time. We were both artists starting our careers as artists, and we tried to help each other. We both had pain in dealing with our individual demons and the new paths we were trying to lift each other up. She never said no to what we choose to do together.And although we parted ways, I am sending her love and light always," Said Melaine. Something that immediately got people jumping at her throat again was her saying "She never said no to what we choose to do together," which was mistook as her saying "she never said," a common phrase used among Grapist, but actually the opposite! What she meant is that everything they did was fully consensual, but due to the lack of wording it was taken the opposite way. Another thing I'd to point out is that Timothy referred her abuser as "he/him".. Later on Globe posts a video above, Globe say how Timothy talked about how Melaine tried to contact her, but she chose to ignore it and post the allegations because she thought it was " funny". Why post about it on tikTok and not take it to court. Anyway that's why I am leaning towards Melanies side because she has much more proof but on the other hand Timothy proof wasn't real and was from a different day. Also being graped is a topic is not something to take lightly so I'm slightly leaning towards Melanie's side but this is serious so I can't just think that Melanie didn't do it bc I love or loved her. But there's proof so that's why I 65% on Melanie side I'm waiting for her to respond. If she did do it I'm not gonna support her anymore but the whole case is just a mess, I will continue to listen to her music until every thing is sorted bc her music helped me though my darkest times but I have other therapy music It's sad for me because I built so much love around her and her music so it's hard to believe she did it along side with the proof idk who's side the readers on just pls wait for it to be all sorted aka something I wasn't doing not that long ago IMPORTANT
ruining someones career and image is a crazy thing to let happen. like I get you can't control your fans but like not saying anything about it is something
для меня самое логичное это то что мелани искренне считала что всё было обоюдно и она не придавала этому никакого значения, но это не оправдание что вместо того чтобы выслушать и понять человека она записала дис о том какая она бедная и её использовали ради популярности, при этом актриса которая играла маму в клипах мелани поддержала тимоти и рассказала о негативном опыте. да, грустно когда тебя считают насильницей хоть это не было твоими намерениями причинить вред и от тебя отворачиваются фанаты и сжигают мерч, но это даже близко не стоит с тем что пришлось пережить тимоти от сливов адреса до сливов интимных фотографий.
I heard about this when everyone was throwing their Melanie crybaby albums away in the trash when I was a kid. It was fresh back then and since I was so young, I didn’t understand anything but in my mind I had to be careful around Melanie because of this whole thing even when I didn’t know what sa was and what had happened. I knew everyone was angry. Then I revisited the situation a couple years ago and finally made my opinion which was that there was nothing proving Timothy wrong like all the other people claimed. There was also nothing proving her right. But I do know that Melanie was saying some weird things like “you need a healer” or something which is kinda weird to say?? And she said it happened but that it was consensual proving that this whole situation happened. The only question is if this is consensual so I don’t understand why some people are claiming to know what happened since we’ll probably never know unless there’s a confession.
Ty for making this ❤❤
I will always like her music because of the things it got me through... but i am always going to be disappointed in the things she has done. No excuse for SA.
I was just hoping yesterday that you would upload again soon! Loved getting off work to see a new one
I'm sorry but as a long time fan of Mel (since 2016) who has followed the story closely, I just can't believe Timothy. She has changed up the story drastically several times, went on an interview with a random 15 year old girl with no knowledge on how to interview, and has said that she refuses to press charges on Melanie. If she were really being honest, why would she go to the Internet instead of to court?
Melanie likely has more funds for lawyers and such. Also, Melanie literally admitted that something happened and then walked back when fans disproved the date, because who remembers the exact date they were assaulted? Why would Timothee come back to the internet with her claims after being doxxed and such if she is lying? Timothee literally talks about how her life was ruined after coming out the first time, and Melanie wrote a diss track about it.
I saw someone say they didn’t believe Timothy bc “Melanie Martinez doesn’t seem like the type of person to do it” LIKE WHAT??? (Also the song lunchbox friends ain’t sounding to good rn…)
Uh oh….
i saw a comment saying that melanie was “too sweet/innocent” to do that. it sounds so parasocial bc they’re acting like they know her irl. even when i was a big fan of melanie i noticed that they had a big problem with babying her
@@twilightspxrkleHer songs are literally so inappropriate like what? That’s definitely from little kids who don’t understand anything 💀
@@Jade_West2010 inappropriate but usually advocating against the stuff shes being accused of, and has used her platform her entire career to platform victims and speak out against assault. i disagree with people acting like they know her or like its impossible for their fav to be a bad person, but theres a reason her public activism makes it hard to believe
i dont get the lunchbox friends comment?
I’m staying neutral, I don’t want to get into any drama.
@@Vinebo_m me either
@@Vinebo_m same
Right
Valid choice tbh
Same
I see people saying that timothy sa'd them and another saying that Melanie did, both stans do very bad things and idk why they think that they're helping timothy or Melanie when they're not
Like I’m a Melanie fan but I saw someone said Melanie can s@ me next like WHAT😭
WILD…
some timothy fans are ruthless 😭 almost as toxic as the mel ones
Separate the music from the artist, guys. You can be a fan of Mel’s music (She has great music) but her music is not her. Her music doesn’t replace or make up for her actions. What she did isn’t right and I just hope she can change and admit to her actions and hopefully stop at least most hate towards Timothy and be the person we can grow to love again.❤️
Saying "She never said no" might as well be a self report
I saw on Pinterest pins saying "save as a proof of Mel's innocence". I'm sick of the fandoms. As a Melanie fan, I'm sorry for Timothy.