*Langobard* Quote --- _'Why then are there unfinished statues and obelisk in quarry's if they could cast them in place?'_ Ancient Egypt lasted well over 3000 years. Over that time techniques came & went - were lost or fell into disuse. After Romans stopped casting Bronze it was nearly a 1000 years for us to rediscover the technique. Likewise Concrete - was lost to us, until its reinvention in the 1750's -- That was a gap of over 1,300 years & yet even now - we still can't match the durability of Roman concrete. Romans - Greeks & Egyptians made glass - yet China couldn't create it. Similarly - China invented Gun Power & that took well over a 1500 years for it to travel to the Western world.
Okay in the video he mentions two ways they altered stone. 1 the used water glass and ash to created the polymer. To get the scoop marks or to retrieve water glass they used natron and coal. It’s possible that the later generations assumed as we do that they produced monument the hard way because the method was lost or abandoned. Therefore the obelisk in the ground was an attempt to mimic previous construction without realizing that’s not how they did it and abandoned it there because they couldn’t figure out how to transport it. I’m just steel manning his argument here not accepting it as empirical evidence.
Whether you agree with this theory or not, he did an excellent job putting his theory into a site for reference. I think more people should do that as it is very easy to compare and revisit. Great job.
@@PaulBrown-uj5le c'mon our ancestors were quite advanced as well don't tell me ur among those who believe cavemens and flinstones built pyramids and Stonehenge !!!!🤣
@@sameersheriff7078 No question it's possible. Sometimes perplexing enduring mysteries have surprisingly simple explanations. Are you familiar with the Cali, Death Valley rock "race track" that everyone scratched their heads over for a century that was solved recently?
@@sameersheriff7078 imho, yes. but " mainstream" science and acadamia won't support it, so this sort of research is pretty much limited to lone individiduals pursuing an idea/their passion. just the info in this video, if properly researched and funded, has the capacity to upset soooo many applecarts among the conventional antrhopological/archaeological narrative/wisdom.
I think that the geopolymers were used to cast large stones, but there is evidence that they also had a more liquid version used for "polishing" surfaces. If you look closely at the lids of the Seraphium boxes, they are glossy. Some people have said they look as if the surface was melted -- but if you look at the lower edges you may notice some drips. Not viscous drips like melted stones, but smaller drips, the kind you would get if you use a geopolymer varnish. The same polish is seen in Peru, and when a flake of the polished surface was examined, it was an aluminum-silicate polymer.
An engineering professor at Derexel University says that some but not all stones have been poured. You can observe the particulate flow from the pour. It's certainly a good idea.
If over 4000 we have all these great minds and technology and we are still theorizing how it was done... Its clear the egyptians didnt do all this. There are over a hundred pyramids and thousands of status, sites and megaliths that add up to millions of pounds, stones, dust and as this video says ash. When we talk about these numbers it just doesnt makes sense, specially cause the tschnology was lost and there is no records of how any of this was done, not rven hieroglyphs, and they used to document everything so why leave out their expertise? Every egyptian must have been a fine craftman and they must had everyone working on these structures all day. Remember that the pyramids at giza have over 2.3 million stones. If you were to just COUNT to 2.3 millions itd take you over 60 days of non stop counting, now imagine cutting, moving, shaping and placing all these things in such a sophisticated way, it jsut doesnt adds up.
That is if they cut, moved shaped and placed all those stones. Moulds would be easier. Or we can believe Graham Hancock that there was a civilization on Earth before us that was more advanced and we lost these skills because of some great cataclysm that wiped out most of the world's population. The pyramids were built before this happened so were many other things all over the Earth according to Graham. It is clear the Egyptians did not build the pyramids, especially if you go to the museum in Cairo and look at their display of cooper tools they had at the time they say the pyramids were built. They must think we are stupid if they want us to believe that all those stones in the 3 pyramids were cut with these soft cooper tools. So I vote for moulds. Why is it that there are no moulds found in Egypt? They have been destroyed by the government. Egypt as a country would be very very poor if it was not for tourism. They wish to keep the narrative that was given to them all those years ago by explorers and archeologyist. That is my take on it. What is yours?
Let me tell you something .. someone did it... And didn't share their knowledge or it is lost to us... Wether it's the Egyptians or not. But even if they didn't do it an even older and more primitive culture did it? Makes no sense. Were they more advanced? Why is there no record of them? Egyptians ruled for 3000 years ... They had plenty of time to do all the great things they did
What is the point of having someone on to interview if you're going to have such a hostile attitude? Yes he is doing things that are different than anyone we have seen yet by changing the property of granite yet you keep asking and bring me up different issues to show how what he is making is not exactly like the Egyptians made thousands of years ago . We don't know how the Egyptians did the pyramids but it takes people like this doing experiments to find out. What is the point of saying it's not the same color, where's the material going to come from, but you have to wait till the water goes down, so much negativity. If he knew exactly what the Egyptians did to make scoop marks and build pyramids He wouldn't be trying to figure out how to substitute the process. If you're not interested in hearing what a person has to say then don't have them on your podcast just to be dismissive and passive-aggressive.
@@Gecmajster123456I think he ment the granite is " glued " with quarts,replace the quarts and you have "another " form of glued substance. 🏴🤔👍🏻🏴
He's just asking questions. That's what you do. Many questions about every little difference. I believe whoever built the pyramids may have found a way to melt/change the stone, but I don't get butt hurt when someone is questioning the process. That's the Scientific method. Questions Questions questions. I'm on the toilet as most here are and your reply is anticipated because my laughing helps to speed up the process, and when I'm done with your comments, I can flush it away as well. Geez.
If the product mentioned does in fact allow you to melt that type of granite at 800 celcius it appears the answer is staring everyone in the face. They forgot one thing they also had. Dolarite balls. Melting temperature of them is 1200 celcius. That removes the ploblem of the flame blowing it away. Spread the powder over the Granite, heat Dolrite (or whatever those so called pounders are), to hign temperaure with blast furnace then put them on the Granite that was prepared and watch melt and scoop out whats melted. Food for thought and if the waste was usable that would explain why there isn't any large stockpiles of it.
@Beljasion there are many problems with this in practice. When using thermal technologies with stone, many different reactions are happening in succession along this spectrum from cold starting temperature to eventual melting of stone into liquid form. It is extremely challenging to melt a mass of stone unless it's placed in a cauldron. I use various thermal technologies to etch, finish, texture, and carve granite, including cutting deep channels in the quarry. Even using my largest most aggressive torch, which burns up to 3,000 degrees centigrade, *melt pooling* is difficult to achieve. The stone surfaces fracture and spall violently into chards and disintegrate into powdered sand. A mass of this debris has loft and stubbornly resists melting because of low thermal conductivity.
@Beljasion who the hell is melting granite back then?, are you effing serious lol, there's exactly 0 evidence for any of what he says it's all talk to make money.
I read through about the first dozen comments and was amazed by how closed minded most of the comments were! Many comments appeared to be completely oblivious to the fact that these two men are speaking in a langauge that is not there native langauge. Most of these critic's probably only speak english and have either never been to a foriegn country or they are so arrogant that they expect everyone in the world to speak in their language. I will tell you what I perceive this man is saying. He discovered a method to make granite pliable using materials that ancient peoples had access to. He also stated that he doesn't claim to know the exact formula or process that they used. How hard would it be once the granite was pliable to mix it with other pliable substances and get a composite that matches what exists at these sites? If I remember basic chemestry in order to blend a homogenous mixture from two ingredients they simply need to have similar melting points. Now I am no geologist but I would guess that all granite regardless of color has a similar melting point. As far as the molds go it seems reasonable to presume that using sand molds similar to casting metal would do the job nicely. A scientific mind would get to work trying to prove or disprove it and not nit pick a non native english speakers inability to communicate his idea into your langauge!
I read through the comments as well. I didn't see anyone mocking them. One guy quoted them and gave them credit for a great show. Is it possible you may be getting outraged for no reason?
right and wrong, it may not be their mother tongue but it seems they manage well words such as stupid and other belittling one's....and at the end it is really difficult to follow this interview, they should have done it in their language. the translators work really well nowadays. every theory is good to hear, at least once! The problems highlighted about the stones in Egypt are more their transportation means and the tools used to carve them. this theory raises so many more issue than solve them... I have a hard time integrating this theory into the framework of Egyptology. However, it remains an innovative solution for the creation of megalithic works
Perhaps all the stones ever used which are now considered so hard were much much softer once upon a time. Time hardens many things. Of course the opposite is also true. But I also once heard that a south american bird that builds its nest in sheer cliff walls by choosing a spot and bringing a pulverized plant to help soften the mineral. Eventually a hole is formed with pecking away at the spot treated this way. The ancients observed this behavior and used the technique to do the same thing with their projects or so it is supposed.
Why would you rely on the Egyptian depictions of stone softening/shaping, if we know FOR SURE that all the ancient megaliths (including those in Egypt) pre-date those depictions by many thousands of years and also knowing that the Egyptians themselves did not use those advanced techniques??? It's like relying on a blind person's depiction of a sunset....
To the two men who had the conversation and chose to share it with us thank you for being willing to think outside of traditional thought! Only by looking at puzzles from different angles can a solution be discovered! I would evaluate any actual points or arguments for insights that maybe didn't occur to you and press on. All great ideas and breakthroughs in human history were initially met with skepticism and ridicule. This is just the forge of purification to burn off concepts that cannot withstand scrutiny. Empierical testing of the idea combined with numerous failures teaches us what does not work. Most men in history who achieved anything worth knowing by being stubbornly persistent seeking an answer to a question.
Water glass or Sodium Silicate (readily available, easy to make) has been used for many years by machinists and metal casters to make removeable mold cores with fine sand. After you form it to make the cores, you expose it to Carbon Dioxide and it turns very solid and hard instantaneously. After casting the metal, the water glass cores can be easily washed out or the interior pockets of the casting with water quite quickly.
Natron is another name for sodium carbonate: a relatively strong base but somewhat weaker than lye (sodium hydroxide). Quartz is also the main component of glass. Heating glass with a strong base - even at temperatures far less than 800 degrees C - will even corrode lab glass. So, there is some potential merit to this guy's theory. Consider that the natron in ancient times would have been crude. If obtained via evaporation, as suggested here, there would also have been sodium chloride (salt) and phosphates like sodium phosphate that solidified with the natron upon evaporation. That said, if the purpose of this natron was to degrade or dissolve granite, the presence of either salt or phosphates may actually be beneficial to their task. Indeed, one of the ways hobbyists etch glass is with phosphoric acid. At increased temperatures, phosphate salts might do the trick by themselves or amplify the power of the natron significantly; possibly by the formation of a third substance from the heat induced reaction between natron, salt, phosphates, carbon dioxide and ash (which contains Potassium). Food for thought so I'll keep this short.
Probabably learned from the surviving Atlanteans when they seeded the earliest great civilizations after their demise. Well done boys, I liked this enormously. Thank you.
The megalithic blocks are each one different and unique. If they used a single mold to make the blocks, the blocks should all look exactly alike. Why would they construct a new mold for each new block? It would have been easier and more efficient to just carve each block individually, instead of making a new mold for each block.
They probably did not have the same quantity of geo-polymer. Did you watch the presentation on his website? Perhaps they did use a number of molds depending on the available volume of geo-polymer. The depth of these stone was always the same anyway; shape, hight and width differed in walls.
Very interesting, thank you for that. You should get in touch with professor Joseph Davidovits, he is the word expert on geopolymer. He also demonstrated in his books how they did it in ancient time. And did a real successful experiment in France a decade ago. I think they created 5 blocks out of geopolymer, a tonne each. For me it is not so much the material that is a question anymore, it's more the complexity and the precision of these buildings. We are talking about millimeter precision on hundreds meters scale, and blocks that can weigh tonnes. And as far as I know, I printed the first geopolymer house with modern equipment of course, and we were far from the precision of the pyramids. Thanks again, you guys have an amazing accent 😉
So what you are seeing in that depiction of the ancient geopolymer method, is the creation of a statue, so it is showing the extraction and processing of the ores, minerals, silica, quartz etc and the mixture is heated up and then it is poured into that red clay mould box through the funnels on top
It’s an interesting theory revisited, but there’s still many unanswered questions that don’t seem to fit within this theory if it is assumed to be used for most granite forming processes. First and foremost, we are operating under the assumption that “the Egyptians didn’t have_______”. This is assuming two things: 1) That the most ancient advanced sites were actually Egyptian when they could easily predate modern assumptions. 2) That the ancient civilizations were lacking certain types of tools and expertise when we can easily find their expertise within the tolerances, stone sizes and complex design (internal chambers, etc.). Even the King’s Valley chambers are dug out of solid granite/earth. Removing masses of granite using some natron seems far-fetched (if he would propose Natron for that use). When we look at the tube drill spiral grooves artifacts and precision, what doesn’t fit is that these tube drill wall thicknesses were very thin and metal. This alone shows that the ancient (Khemetians?) had advanced use of metals even though we cannot find any of those tools. When it comes to lathing stone “vases”, the most key thing to consider is that in order to maintain tolerances and accuracy on these parts, you would have to have tooling fixtures secure enough to withstand the torques and hold the parts securely in place in addition to the proper metal tools to cut the stones efficiently and effectively. The only things effective at maintaining these tolerances would be metal and ball bearing or at the least a very high tolerance bushing of some kind and that might likely be a stretch (compared to ball bearings). Certainly the stone appears to have been “softened” somehow, but I believe the softening process more than likely affected the whole mass of a stone, rather than just the surface, and perhaps was executed using some kind of acoustic/energetic process we are still clueless to. This might also have been a process to lessen the mass of the stone materials as well. This seems to dovetail with the similar tech that seems to have been employed in the use of many of these advanced ancient sites with internal underground granite structures etc, revealing measurements which hint toward advanced acoustics and infrasound. This acoustic advanced utilization would make sense from a lost tech POV which is why we seem to be blind to it as we don’t use technology in this way with our energy/design. I did agree with the guests POV that the geo-polymers (or simply softened stone) was likely formed with pretty much no wood or molds. That theory makes zero sense to create individual molds for every stone. The “polymers” would also require zero shrinkage in order to be molded in place and have zero gaps. Another thought on natron… if the “Atlantean” era ancients built the most advanced structures, it’s possible the natron was absent in the ancient past, but present for the “reboot” cultures (Khemetians/Egyptians) as a by-product of an ancient flood which dumped the sands and ocean water over that region. Just an additional thought. Great talk overall and looking into various methods is always a plus.
Indeed…sonic resonance and harmonic oscillation may have been the focus of much research. Including the isolation chambers with stepped vaults and shafts built into the various pyramids. How powerful is deep sound…what is the heartbeat of Earth …we now call it the Schumann Resonance 7.83hz. Spend a few days or weeks isolated within the confines of a secured Kings Chamber. Like taking a trip into deep TimeSpace…guaranteed to change your perspective.
Torturous interveiw. Fixation on trivial elements. The dwelling on lakes and water, when dried salt flats are common place and loaded with diferent salts depending on local/regional geochemistry. The fixation on color when elemental traces or nanostructure determine their appearance. Glass was made in many different colors just by adding different trace elements, look at the cathedrals glasswork. Keep in mind Egypt lasted aprox 3000 yrs, plenty of time to figure it out. The stone geopolymers could be made in whatever colors they desired. The opening of the interview do not properly define terms . Most people will not know what Natron is (sodium carbonate) or how common, usefull and abundent it is. (15.00 pr 5 lbs at wallmart) related and found naturally with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda). The interviewer has done no prior research, and totally lost as to what is pertainent or not. Clueless. The original text on geopolymers when first proposed, noted the relevant chemistry, locations, abundance, and different methods of formulation. What is of interest here is the addition/use of heat to facilatate chemicall process. The Egyptions would have been quite familial with fire.
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Wow, thank you for the in-depth lecture on geochemistry and ancient Egyptian fire skills! It's clear that you've uncovered the secret alchemy behind natron and colored glass that the rest of us trivial-minded folk have completely missed. Next time, I’ll make sure to enroll in Geopolymers 101 before daring to discuss anything remotely related to lakes or salts. Your insight is as enlightening as a dried salt flat!
I went into the Cairo museum to see some of the exhibits etc. the unfinished granite box 📦 etc. if you look at the cut on the back of the box 📦. You can see the guide line they make for cutting. It’s not scraped on. It looks like it’s high pressure liquid. Also the cut is polished. Same with the core samples. ( when they drilled holes into granite). All polished. Very different from modern techniques etc. I think 🤔 this guys original idea was correct. High pressure water jets. 👍👍👍👍. He gave this idea up. Because he couldn’t find a way to make it work with primitive technology. This is a mistake because he’s not following the evidence. Just because you can’t find machines doesn’t mean they didn’t exist………(. The machines that make the huge engineering marvels in modern times are few and far between ). It would be silly 🙃 in thousands of years in the future. If future generations found the remains of the Golden Gate Bridge for example. Or the Panama Canal. To say. We can’t find the machines. We can only find chisels and hammers. Therefore they must have built these things with hand tools 🛠️. Ridiculous right. 👍. Now we know how these bridges and canals where built. But you’d have a hard time finding the original equipment. Even today. Let alone thousands of years later. It’s like for example. The Volkswagen Beetle. Build in the millions. Try finding one today. ???????
@@oldskool235 You could well be right 👍my friend. Given the extreme age. They would all be rusted away. I also remember hearing something about napoleon’s troops dragging machines out of the great pyramid. No way of knowing if that’s true. But I live in Belfast. The city was once full of linen mills. Full of machinery. The machines are long gone. The building. What remains. Are now apartments. Try finding the machines. You’ll find it difficult. Only a few remain in museums etc.
I have also thought about water jets. There is jewelry from Cyprus and Egypt made of sapphires that they drilled and put on gold necklaces. Try drilling sapphires... It's even hard using diamonds because of vibrations.
Have you seen this video about Inca megaliths? A reddish liquid was used to soften the stone, and it seems the Inca chose to work with stone that contains quartz and feldspar, e.g. granite and granite-like stones: ruclips.net/video/_KbSFphHCZY/видео.html
When i was younger i worked as an IT consultant at a marble sales company where slabs were cut with water jets to shape the countertops for bathrooms and kitchens. The water cut the slabs like a laser and fast! But that the slab is no more than 6 inches thick. Keep that in mind. I dont know how deep the water jets could penetrate.
Depending on the application, the cutting abrasive (usually fine garnet at ~200 micron) can cut pretty nicely, but deeper cuts have problems with kerf (aka width of cut)
In the area where they let you pound stones near the obelisk, Is there any evidence of and progress made from all the tourists trying it? and I also wonder how many years and the amount of time people are there attempting this. It seems like we've had this ongoing experiment for years and I haven't been able to locate any compiled data.
The tourists pounding stone is part of conditioning them to believe the narrative put out there. Most people are not going to question it. BUT we will.
Different cultures over eons between cataclysmic events cause everyone to go back in their holes and start again. People Tend to go back to existing stucture. Just like fish
I have always stated that the ancient structures were molded or poured into place. When you drill into a sample, you find that they consist of a concrete like substance.
My theory how the pyramids were built was the blocks were poured. The loose material was transported by river to the base of site. The structure was constructed from the centre and outwards. Each of the blocks were formed and then poured, the compacted. So for the ground level you would have formed a square with the very centre left void. Poured the ring of blocks with four sides, allowed to dry overnight, then next day remove the formwork and install it one block width away. They could have used the previous block as a wall to pour up against. As they went up levels they would transport the loose material through the centre of the structure using those inclined passageways and then poured the blocks from the centre to the outer edge.
Also, Aswan granite is only 5% quartzite… I don’t think dissolving 5% of the granite at Aswan would create those scoop marks. Not to mention the holes in Aswan… If natron was used to help the “drill” holes then how are the threads still visible?
The sitting figure right of the two who are pouring something, is a symbol they use to depict a process, in this case it meant the deposition of the poured material, that will solidify later on. That sitting figure is depicted in many hieroglyphs that describe a chemical process, and is always mean settlement (sitting down ) and depositions. It is different from all the figures around, and is always depicted exactly like this. (identical symbols).
The question I always ask myself is why did they use granite to make these structures. Why make something in the hardest possible way. I think the only 2 reasons are 1. Because it's a sign of skill. But if this was the case why don't we see them building up to it. We almost see the reverse. 2. Is the granite wasn't as hard to work with as we think. They must have had a technique or tool. This makes more sense logically unfortunately we don't have evidence to prove it.
Things of this magnitude are done only out of need. Granite same. It was necessary for conductive property? Was it somehow a reagent? Resistant to chemical? If they could economize, they would have, just like all animals, always all down through forever.
Some of these people aren’t as sensible as you and i to question everything. If people think machines made it then why use stone and not the same material the machine is made from? I’ve seen marble statues worn down an inch or more by getting touched constantly over centuries. Mohs scale is not useful with abrasive methods.
Some of these people aren’t as sensible as you and i to question everything. If people think machines made it then why use stone and not the same material the machine is made from? I’ve seen marble statues worn down an inch or more by getting touched constantly over centuries. Mohs scale is not useful with abrasive methods.
Some say the potassium craze in "new world" america was an example of what happens. Parallel story but similar. On the other hand he has been investigating what crops would provide the right mix of minerals in its ash. I believe he's found that resinous crops serve best aside from resinous trees. There are melted stones in Europe from where earth kilns were fueled by such things like grouse which are very resinous and smoulder well over long periods.
you dont need charcoal. egyptians had access to large amounts of bitumen, a natural petroleum oil stone compound. was used in lots of things in ancient times including waterproofing, especially in this area of the world at that time
This is the number 2 reason why all the "Egyptians melted it" hypotheses fall apart. Number 1 reason being the massive amount of wood needed to make all kinds of differently shaped molds (which incidentally makes the "it's all cement" hypotheses fall apart as well). And where are any of the remains of these crates? Where are any remains of "water glass" or charcoal embedded in any of the quarry rocks? Are there any chemical markers for those near the "scoop marks" at Aswan? Where are parts of those bellows? When you cast something like those perfectly flat boxes at the Serapeum, - how exactly are those surfaces more than 100 times smoother than the wooden walls of any modern crate? How do they get the bubbles out thousands of years before vacuum technology, because no split Egyptian stone ever had a single bubble (which would have been a telltale sign of molding)? Has there been even one gypsum (or any other material) casting crate for any statue found? Why not? Whoever thinks the host was "provocative" is delusional. Any Egyptologist worth his degree would make this dude's dominoes fall apart very quickly. Gosh, even the people like UnchartedX could probably pick holes in this idea very quickly.
man... you have to improve the subtitles for those of us who don't speak english as a first language... it was sooo difficult to understand. Sorry... but I'm being honest.
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I appreciate it, thank you! Yes i know that, it’s automatically translated and it is quite poor quality. I will figure something out because I also have to puke when i see it, but currently I have no capacity to manually translate it
Geologists use microscopy to analyze crystalline structure. It is not a problem to distinguish natural vs artificial stone. The idea of using a water glass to make any of the stonework is simply not supported. That said, it is possible some finishes were achieved by incorporating natron to create a very smooth vitreous finish. I would recommend exploring this idea instead. Also, the scoop marks at Aswan would not be easier to create using natron. A force multiplier to drive the pounding stones into the granite and fracture the quartz crystals would be faster.
Water glass/sand based castings cured with Carbon dioxide gas, ( modern mold cores for metal casting) are hard yes, but easily dissolve in water, making them non-weather proof.
@johnkemas7344 yes that's a good point, it is very improbable that any water glass or similar material would have anywhere near the weather resistance and durability of natural stone.
I beg to differ, but I respect your thoughts on this. But if this is the way they shaped all of the cut stones in antiquity, it would take a tremendous amount of resources to do it. Cant imagine where they would get all of the required elements of this but I could see them using this for some smaller projects. But there is plenty of proof that machine tools were used in making the cuts on a number of stone artifacts.
The term softening implies a process from hard to soft. However the theoretician have forgotten to describe the end process after soften that is how it went through from soft to hard.
Good friends, I don't want to be the smart one and I don't want you to believe me either! maybe you still have a chance to find them!!There are some videos that are no longer on the Internet, but surely someone has them!There are videos of people making rocks and melting them then making them soft.They are ancient methods and there are people who still know these things! If you know how to look for them, you will find them, or maybe there are others who can confirm that they have seen them!
Hmm, Interesting. I have mineralised quartz on my land. I heat it in a normal wood fire then quench it in vinegar. After this I can crush it in my hands with no tools. I however use a mortar and pestle so I don't wear my skin off. Then pan it for the gold. So quartz totally reacts to thermal change. Never tried to glue it back together. But if I did then it would be a geo-polymer, would it not? Not softened rock?
With the etching method, i can see etching a large block and breaking away the etched material to reveal a more manageable block in the rough shape desired. Splitting granite the way we have for millenia seems easier.
Why etch it though? A large impact force will fracture the quartz crystals. Further shock force in the same plane will propagate the fracture. Granite is easily split by propagation of crystal fracture along grain boundary. Pounding to form scoops does the same thing ... the angle of impact creates a fracture propagation that is subhorizontal. Further impact at right angle to that fracture plane will quickly remove large volumes of material. The trick is it requires a force multiplier to create sufficient impact, not simply hand pounding. This is achieved with something as simple as a log tied to a rope (which transfers swing momentum to a dolerite pounding stone).
Not sure about that. There is no way the Egyptians had the mental capacity to build the pyramids. Even today, they could only accomplish this with assistance.
Whether you agree with the theory or not, there had to be some knowledge of smelting and casting techniques for the Copper Age to have kicked off. A logical progression would be that the first "rocks" (metals are crystals) that humans were able to smelt and cast were salts, with the process being an accidental discovery from firing pottery. The next logical step would be to experiment with alloys of salts using various rock dusts collected from the creation of stone tools. This would then lead to finding and smelting metal ores, gold probably being the first (despite the "experts" claiming it was lead), of which African gold is usually found in quartz veins... It's not only possible, but plausible that the discovery of metal smelting was an accident while trying to clean up the "dirty" quartz to powder and use as a component for casting salt/stone alloys. And a possible reason that Ancient Egyptians were not the most innovative metallurgist society at that time is because they were still using their ancient techniques of stone casting. And before anyone scoffs at the idea of melting and casting stone alloys, that's exactly what glass making is... And the oldest know evidence of glass making is from 3600 BCE in Ancient Egypt. The "official" narrative is that is was an accidental byproduct of metal smelting, I'm just suggesting that maybe the experts got that backwards and stone casting came first.
I think they found a natural acid that can make the stone soft.. then the acid drains out of those notches when they put too much acid or need less space between rocks.
102nd thing, I shouldn't be thinking about... But the title alone is rational and close to how I would do it "Back in the Day" the nubs in these structures look like relief notches in the outer wooden structure, to allow the settling of the somewhat viscous medium / "concrete" . Imagine ground fill on the interior and a Wood mold on the exterior, the middle stones we see today were laid down in layers , solidified and the wooden exterior is gone
Sorry, but this is possibly the least well thought out idea I have seen! Yes, granite gets brittle when heated - but you dont need natron to do that, just build a bonfire on the rock itself. Second, the colour difference between the unfinished obelisk and the surroundings is not due to some kind of chemical difference, but that the obelisk has bedn swept and the surroundings are covered by desert dust. Granite tends to weather by flaking, which is seen in the funereal temples at Giza. I lasted 12 minutes of this drivel, that’s as much as I could take.
Have you possibly thought of? And I consider not that this would have to be a stone that would be ground down into a fine powder like a cement powder. How do you think they grind it down. It's a lot more work. Go back to the drawing board.
Great theory. I have studied ancient alchemy and understanding of chemistry. I also have a geo polymer theory that uses instead of water use a filler which is a preservative like salt, alcohol or oil. This process i hope will allow for a longer time to set which can be shaped or molded into the desred shape or stamping of drawings into the concrete. I believe that the granite can be dissolved and rebonded with heat. Granite quarries should have fine grains of granite and quartz that nature naturally does over thousands of years every mountain side has broken down granite. It's great that he broke down the granite and quartz with chemicals back into grain form without building his flintstone machine like the scientists who ask where are the huge grinding machines to crush granite to grain form. IT guy 1 scientists 0. Determination over science. Nature is the biggest grinder of stone, granite or mountain. Simply collect the granite quartz sand grains and rebond together. Would a less acidity pine ash allow for a slower dry time. I have been burning and collecting white pine and needles ash for a couple of years that I will mix with either salt. After watching this video i wonder if the salt will effect the already neutral process for dissolving the quartz bonding agent. Food for thought
You don't need a 1000ft tall pipe if you boil the water. The obelisk doesn't have any dirt on it making it a different color. The Nile river next to the Aswan quarry has plenty of water for any operation in the desert. Where do I find the pictures of the board imprints in the rocks in Peru? I've got a video on how they make the vases. Very cool research
Just when you think you've found the solution, sometimes someone will come along and prove it was something else entirely. I can tell you this; the stone levitation technology is easily paired with another technology used by David Adair at one point, to weave molten nickel into thread. You can make any shape imaginable with frequency. In fact I'm writing an Ai program that does just that.
Having so much sand along with the supposedly hi-tech allowing high-temperatures - one question arises, why Ancient Egypt was not a ... Glass Building Civilization.
Take a look at for example Tutankamons mask, the blue lines are actually fabricated glass. The oldest known examples of glass are from mesopotamia and ancient egypt.
Egypt produced large quantities of glass, but very little survives. Glass is amorphous non crystaline structure. Technically a liquid that melts/flows over hundreds and thousands of years. If you had a glass cup 2000 years ago it would have been stolen, broken or melted back into the sand/rock. Unlike crystal or metals which are much more stable through time and chemical process.
@franciscorompana2985 they used spun glass. This is where the glass is initially blown to form a large bulb, which is then cut while a kiln temperature and opened to form a flat disk. Re-attached at it's centre to the pipe, the glass is then re-heated and spun to form a larger flat disk (the glass blower often stood on a raised platform) before laying down to cool and be cut. It's much the reason why windows used small panes of glass and virtually every piece of the glass disk would be used. The central bulb remnant would also be used and is commonly known as a bulls-eye. Glass (a semi solid material which is neither a solid or liquid) window panes typically slump over a period of time and - in spite of being crafted at an even thickness - can very slowly become thicker at the bottom.
Well remember a lot of people who subscribe to these theories also have great supporting evidence for pushing these advanced ancient Egyptians further back around 11000bc and further, a time when the area was not a desert.
Interesting theory and could explain a thing or two. However, The scoop marks at Aswan are, besides on the floor, also vertical on the "walls", and even upside down on the bottom of the obelisk... How does one get molten natron for a prolonged time on these surfaces? I definitely think casting was used in some cases, but we must underscore the fact that precision machining was definitely used. On UnchartedX, they tested vases who were so finely made, the tolerance levels rivaled that of the most precise modern CNC machines. They also include precise mathematical geometry. For those that don't have the engineering background to understand: Even if you were to cast these vases, your mold would have to be precise down to the 1000th of a mm in order to make these vases. In order to make the mold, and measure it to see if you didn't take away enough or whether or not you took away too much material in its creation, you'd need precise machining and measuring. Ergo, even if they came from a mold, what then made the mold? Food for thought. Also, these vases are just 2 to 3mm thick in some cases. They are so thin, they're actually translucent. The grains of the granite in these vases have also been "sanded down" to be flush with the vase itself. If you were to pout this, all your individual grains would have to be precisely aligned and shaped in order to achieve this effect. Needles to say that individually forming each grain is just out of the question, and would require the same level of precision. Machining is therefore the only logical solution, and molding pretty much out of the question. With that said, the first thing I had to think of is the oddly chipped granite surfaces on some of the megaliths. It is suggested that this is evidence of an ancient cataclysm, but if one were to put a rough block of granite in a mold, and cast a slightly different material around it, it stands to reason that these could potentially separate from eachother in a process called "thermal stress". This is the process by which rocks chip naturally due to heating and cooling in day/night cycles. There is quite a temperature differential in the desert there (I've been multiple times), ranging from > +40C to 0C, daily. Also: Aluminium is much, much softer than the blades used in a sawmill. I have plant biology education, and I can tell you right now that the amounts of aluminium in trees, or any plant for that matter, is quite neglible. They can take it up, but it is toxic. If any plant were to pick up quantities enough to harm a blade of a much, much stronger material, then that plant would surely die. Long before that, you would see growth deficiencies, rendering the tree "worthless", and make it a prime candidate for the woodchipper when thinning production forests.
Very interesting video. I think he should research Professor Davidavits's work with Geopolymers. He created the Geo-Polymer Institute in France & is currently one of the world leaders in the field. He was the first researcher to prove the limestone blocks of the Pyramids were mixed and formed from re-aglomerated decomposing lime stone , water & Kaolin clay. Davidavits even reproduced several multi-ton limestone blocks with nothing more "high tech" than a few water vessels, a few shovels, and some hand mad wooden forms, almost identical to the ones shown in the Heiroglyph images in this video.
I did appreciate the trials. I'm afraid thought that Marcell Fóti neglects the fact the wood was probably more precious then gold for the those-Egyptians. So the equation misses the required petatons of energy, he conveniently bought his waterglass. I recall watching the videos where couple of egyptologist were 'proving' how the old-egyptians were supposed to be cutting and shaping these stones.
So the 2.5 million uniquely sized blocks of the great pyramid were molded. So how did they make the 2.5 million precise, individually unique sized molds. The giant statues that are perfectly symmetrical, making such symmetrically perfect molds would be as difficult to achieve. The problem with people is that they have to think we're at the pinnacle of the human race, and everything we find has to fit within their own limited perceptions. He mentions the use of boards to hold the blocks until they firmed up. Any thoughts on how they made these giant boards, and why they didn't leave marks in the setting stone? The thing that people should realise is that the megalithic structures all around the world are absolutely impossible except for them actually being there. So instead of trying so hard to bring a simple solution to make them possible, we should expand our minds and think outside of the box, think of the impossible. I appreciate the guy trying, but it falls apart with just a little thought. If this technology was deployed across every continent, during the Egyptian dynastic period, we would never have lost it. Whatever was lost to us, was obviously, to many of us, lost during the younger dryas. It's not as if he's the first to come up with the theory of melting/molding the megaliths, and hey, who knows .... not the Egyptians. You mention the one mural, but with this architecture and the megalithic artifacts supposedly being their greatest achievements, we'd see far more of their construction bring depicted. The ancient Egyptians had no problem in stating that their culture was legacy based. Why do all of the old civilisations have unfinished megaliths, and then all suddenly lose the technologies, if not for a catastrophic event? After all we have a good idea of their tools and technologies for everything else they did, apart from the precision hard stone vases, which leans towards inheriting them along with amazing structures that they did their best to emulate by building with mud bricks.
In my opinion... who edited this? Don't you know to put the little window somewhere where it won't cover the video? WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE VIDEO? Okay, you showed it and explained it. Side thought, is that happened to the Cedars of Lebanon? They used them to make the giant unmovable stones on the Temple Mount? Good show.
GUEST SPEAKS TOO SLOWLY AND IS TORTURE TO ENDURE HIM GETTING TO THE POINT. Trying to learn Something and listening to him is like Being stuck in tar. And Trying to walk out of..
Very interesting hypotheses and results shown I thought. If he can do a full closed cycle, resulting in casting a block or statue at scale. Then show that the casting has similar properties to those of the Egyptian versions, then he may have solved it... but they are big 'ifs' at this stage I think. I'm uneasy about his bias that it could not possibly be some ancient technology though, since I think that we have to consider what technology means in the broadest sense, for example, human technology.
I always believed it was laser technology of some type that gave the joints that melted look. I did so because of mythology of India that described war machines in the skies and laser type weapons. I now believe the walls were built exactly as was described in this video.
watch "pyramid k", that documentary is long and explains how the natron was used as you have, but heat mechanism was different..what's interesting that pro remote viewers at "farsight" give clues to how giza was built which corroborates a lot of pyramid k doc, and now what you guys talking is more in that direction. thank you and bravo
I believe they used Hot Air balloons to move ALL MASSIVE STONES AND STATUES. There is no other possible way to have set these stones into exact positions. They used the same technique to build the pyramid stones. They use Whale Stomach or Leviathan Stomach to produce the stones in place. A team of men created the exact form, necessary for each stone as they progressed. they mixed limestone and a binder, poured the mixture into the stomach lining bag, placed the bag into the mold. And went to the next stone position and repeated the method. How did they get stones weighing in the tons up the side of the mountain? They did not need to. Just like concrete molding is sone today. Why make it more difficult than it has to be fellas?
WOW. This is the beginning of finding out. We must try it out....He's not saying he found the exact way. He's saying he found the beginning of an avenue to explore! If we stop exploring then, we stop advancing. I like his theory. I believe he will find a way to make it work or find out why it won't work out and go another route.
If whats being hinted is that "natron" , calcium carbonate , acting as a flux and heat would melt the quartz in granite ( actually dissolve the silicon dioxide into sodium/calcium silicate), think again. The heat input would be huge, given that you would need to apply the correct hot salts and keep them in position on massive , irregular, shapes. Try making sodium silicate from sodium hydroxide and silica gel. Do the math. You might get some surface etching but you wont scoop out shovelfuls as whats underneath the part quarried obelisk) Also, cast granite will not be granite anymore , its crystalline properties will change. Its not just heat that holds it together, its mainly the intercrystalline structures of the various mineral components. The rate of heating, cooling and pressure curves is what normally determines the most significant properties of igneous rocks like granite. Besides crystallography will easily determine if a "mineral" has been re-melted and cooled. Simple heating and cooling will change granite irreversibly. Uninformed experiments will lead to badly informed coffee table talk. XRF for telling if you have granite or a water glass mix ( "geopolymer" ) ??? Its like using a using your tounge to listen to music. Crystallography will immediately tell you what you need to know. Who is doing this science ? Terrence Howard ?
You are on the right path and the ancient fire setting method was done incased in clay to protect it from the wind and to increase and direct the heat, clay was also used to protect the object such as the obelisk. Try your natron salt water glass experiment incased in clay like a temporary kiln. This fire setting method will allow roughly 1 foot deep of granite to be easily removed and then the fire is set again
Very fascinating guys, and you did a good job describing this process in a language you guys don’t speak all the time! I’ve struggled through trying to speak in very broken Spanglish when I was on a mission trip in Guatemala, and it is so frustrating not speaking your first language if you’re not fluent in said language 😂 I did get to see Tikal on that trip in 2015 which was an eye opener. I’m interested to hear your ideas about Peru next time maybe? Have a blessed day fellas!
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Thank you! I would like to extend the topic of the podcast to other ancient sites too, but i have to learn more about them first.
Ask AI, "When did the Iron Age begin?"and AI says 1,200 BC. If you see "scoop marks," it was made with a case-hardened steel tool and if that's before 1,200 BC then that means someone on earth invented the iron-age way before 1,200 BC This means there was no need for "stone softening" since the steel tools are way harder than any rock that has them. Problem solved -
I think you're close, rammed earth with geo polymer in the mix. Once water is added it's rock solid. Compact the dry "cement" earth mixture by pounding then add water or in some cases fire by kiln or just building a large fire around the structure like the forts in Scotland
They figured out how to use crushed fine granite powder mixed with a binder of some type. They did not have the tech to handle molten magma or lava or Anything so extremely hot. They produced everything in clay first. Then created a sand mold, Poured their mixture into the mold. The absolute perfection attained? This would be the most likely way they were produced.
Hi guys, I too have tried to figure this out. This is what I came up with " if every one of these cultures made metals like gold, copper and silver. If you use the wash water from mining which is very acidic you can chemically burn off the liquid it makes any kind of stone crumble.
Fact no 1. Sand in Egypt contains high level of iron. Iron can make reddish colour at higher tempetures. So this a glue to make artificial red granite. Fact no 2. Also some clay found from river bends can contain high amounts of aluminium. Idea from the past: Also Pyramids, could been built by mold making bricks. Sand is easier to carry than big stones. And they are molded on place.
Why are so many non-construction people talking about construction! In construction we use molds to automate the process of building. We only use molds to cast items for mass production and uniformity. If the Egyptians used molds there would be millions upon millions of the exact same blocks, columns or whatever of the exact same size, same weight and with exact casting indentations. There would be absolute proof of casting throughout. Have you ever seen a brick building where every brick is a different size in every direction…of course not because we use molds to cast them to be uniform and mass produced. If I were heading some research I would be taking extensive soil samples everywhere around the pyramids and quarries because the Egyptians clearly had mastered advanced abrasives. They were able to sand and polish granite, one of the hardest natural stones, so the powdered material they used had to be harder than granite. They left pillow marks everywhere on stones. They made core drills and straight saw cuts in granite! All only possible with the stones or copper tools of their time and crushed powder abrasives of some kind. In modern times all of our cutting wheels for granite have an industrial diamond coating as the abrasive to cut or polish. Is it possible the ancient civilizations discovered how to coat copper or other metals with a diamond like abrasive? If so, they could cut through any stone pretty efficiently. When the coated tool was worn down they simply remelted it and cast a new tool or something else and maybe that’s why their ancient tools don’t exist in quantity. Maybe they should check some copper cast statues or bowls to see if there are embedded abrasive particles from repurposed copper tools. I think the Egyptians (and other ancient civilizations) discovered high tech abrasive coatings to cut and polish stone. King Tut had a steel dagger believed to be from a meteorite. Could they have discovered a form of steel or technology to harden metals and coated them with abrasives. If so, they discovered modern day coatings, they would have had the equivalent of a modern day granite quarry cutting blade. Keep it simple, that’s the answer.
I love that more. People are trying to understand the concept of how it can be done, but it’s even easier than all those steps. I don’t mean to dismiss his understanding and ideology, but you don’t have to go through all of that. You gotta do is heat the Stone up to 1500°and then hit it with cold water evaporates in an explosion that’s how simple it is. I’ve been doing Granite my whole life. What is flame finish? I can get it pretty precise.
Pyramids were build not of granite but of the limestone which is softer stone and limestone can be crushed to dust and remolded to hard stone as you wish. Limestone is formed from the remains of marine organisms and their shells so that material is possible to soften with acids and salty sea water , make into limestone mud and reform into the blocks which will harden into the same limestone they started as
this is old hat, sorry but I found the answer , to this stone thing 5,6, yrs ago, scoop marks should, put you on the right track,? the stone was shaped, while still soft,! yes all rock is biology, most from, the great flood,and was easily, carved just look at petra, looks like fresh cut meat, coz it is, and quartz is flesh and tendon, chopped up, minced, with all, the metals taken out. I know it sounds mental, there is even , an Asian, temple carving, with a man , pushing, a contraption, like a wheelbarrow, that is grinding, up people to remove metals, I think, take a close look at your granite counter top it looks like cubes, the pyramids, were not built,! they were carved, from huge plateaus, shaped down, from the top, then carved out, and finished with casing stones, giants were, stone workers, I have seen a map, from before the pyramids, were built, giza had several, huge, devils tower, looking things! thoth, was the builder, if you want to know more, get in touch.
What is he saying at 11:26-11:36, about the name of the thing that desolves quartz? In CC, it reads "molon nron" or "mnron", but it sounds like hes saying "motornature"! And, after you chemically break down the granite, can you reconstitute it?
Watching him think is exhausting 😂 I do agree that fire and most likely water were used to liberate large quantities of granite. They were probably using water for rapid contraction of the granite by rapidly cooling.
Very Interesting! Great Discussion again Karoly! Keep it up!
Why then are there unfinished statues and obelisk in quarrys if they could cast them in place?
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@@Alfred-Neuman Yeap, and the video started from that unfinished obelisk, so they started it with the wrong foot
Very good question!
*Langobard* Quote --- _'Why then are there unfinished statues and obelisk in quarry's if they could cast them in place?'_ Ancient Egypt lasted well over 3000 years.
Over that time techniques came & went - were lost or fell into disuse. After Romans stopped casting Bronze it was nearly a 1000 years for us to rediscover the technique.
Likewise Concrete - was lost to us, until its reinvention in the 1750's -- That was a gap of over 1,300 years & yet even now - we still can't match the durability of Roman concrete.
Romans - Greeks & Egyptians made glass - yet China couldn't create it. Similarly - China invented Gun Power & that took well over a 1500 years for it to travel to the Western world.
Okay in the video he mentions two ways they altered stone. 1 the used water glass and ash to created the polymer. To get the scoop marks or to retrieve water glass they used natron and coal. It’s possible that the later generations assumed as we do that they produced monument the hard way because the method was lost or abandoned. Therefore the obelisk in the ground was an attempt to mimic previous construction without realizing that’s not how they did it and abandoned it there because they couldn’t figure out how to transport it. I’m just steel manning his argument here not accepting it as empirical evidence.
"2 Hungarian guys trying to speak English" 😄 You two did a good job with this interview. Interesting theory.
Dont mock them for the english, they are actually good at this.
@@alexanderstrelnikov thank you guys
@@alicet8791 I like good English. Good job. I lived in the US. 🇵🇹
@@alexanderstrelnikov He's actually just quoting them and giving them some credit. 32:27
A gránitnál a kőmorzsoló reagens a megoldàs, a mészkőnèl a vízüveg. Csak magyarul fejthető meg a hieroglif írás.
Whether you agree with this theory or not, he did an excellent job putting his theory into a site for reference. I think more people should do that as it is very easy to compare and revisit. Great job.
Is it possible to reverse engineer those lost technologies in the future ?
@sameersheriff7078 there are no lost tec the way this guy puts it, only thing lost is half his brain.
@@PaulBrown-uj5le c'mon our ancestors were quite advanced as well don't tell me ur among those who believe cavemens and flinstones built pyramids and Stonehenge !!!!🤣
@@sameersheriff7078 No question it's possible. Sometimes perplexing enduring mysteries have surprisingly simple explanations.
Are you familiar with the Cali, Death Valley rock "race track" that everyone scratched their heads over for a century that was solved recently?
@@sameersheriff7078 imho, yes. but " mainstream" science and acadamia won't support it, so this sort of research is pretty much limited to lone individiduals pursuing an idea/their passion.
just the info in this video, if properly researched and funded, has the capacity to upset soooo many applecarts among the conventional antrhopological/archaeological narrative/wisdom.
I think that the geopolymers were used to cast large stones, but there is evidence that they also had a more liquid version used for "polishing" surfaces. If you look closely at the lids of the Seraphium boxes, they are glossy. Some people have said they look as if the surface was melted -- but if you look at the lower edges you may notice some drips. Not viscous drips like melted stones, but smaller drips, the kind you would get if you use a geopolymer varnish. The same polish is seen in Peru, and when a flake of the polished surface was examined, it was an aluminum-silicate polymer.
An engineering professor at Derexel University says that some but not all stones have been poured. You can observe the particulate flow from the pour. It's certainly a good idea.
If over 4000 we have all these great minds and technology and we are still theorizing how it was done... Its clear the egyptians didnt do all this.
There are over a hundred pyramids and thousands of status, sites and megaliths that add up to millions of pounds, stones, dust and as this video says ash.
When we talk about these numbers it just doesnt makes sense, specially cause the tschnology was lost and there is no records of how any of this was done, not rven hieroglyphs, and they used to document everything so why leave out their expertise?
Every egyptian must have been a fine craftman and they must had everyone working on these structures all day.
Remember that the pyramids at giza have over 2.3 million stones. If you were to just COUNT to 2.3 millions itd take you over 60 days of non stop counting, now imagine cutting, moving, shaping and placing all these things in such a sophisticated way, it jsut doesnt adds up.
That is if they cut, moved shaped and placed all those stones. Moulds would be easier. Or we can believe Graham Hancock that there was a civilization on Earth before us that was more advanced and we lost these skills because of some great cataclysm that wiped out most of the world's population. The pyramids were built before this happened so were many other things all over the Earth according to Graham.
It is clear the Egyptians did not build the pyramids, especially if you go to the museum in Cairo and look at their display of cooper tools they had at the time they say the pyramids were built. They must think we are stupid if they want us to believe that all those stones in the 3 pyramids were cut with these soft cooper tools. So I vote for moulds. Why is it that there are no moulds found in Egypt? They have been destroyed by the government. Egypt as a country would be very very poor if it was not for tourism. They wish to keep the narrative that was given to them all those years ago by explorers and archeologyist. That is my take on it. What is yours?
There are calculations showing this could easely be done.
Yeah you know who couldn’t do it! Who did? The pixies maybe? Go look at Malta megaliths so much older.
@@taaskeprinswhy would they use machines to cut stone instead of using advanced materials like the machine is made from to make pyramids! 😂
Let me tell you something .. someone did it... And didn't share their knowledge or it is lost to us... Wether it's the Egyptians or not. But even if they didn't do it an even older and more primitive culture did it? Makes no sense. Were they more advanced? Why is there no record of them? Egyptians ruled for 3000 years ... They had plenty of time to do all the great things they did
What is the point of having someone on to interview if you're going to have such a hostile attitude? Yes he is doing things that are different than anyone we have seen yet by changing the property of granite yet you keep asking and bring me up different issues to show how what he is making is not exactly like the Egyptians made thousands of years ago . We don't know how the Egyptians did the pyramids but it takes people like this doing experiments to find out. What is the point of saying it's not the same color, where's the material going to come from, but you have to wait till the water goes down, so much negativity. If he knew exactly what the Egyptians did to make scoop marks and build pyramids He wouldn't be trying to figure out how to substitute the process. If you're not interested in hearing what a person has to say then don't have them on your podcast just to be dismissive and passive-aggressive.
1:26:54 naturally occuring granite is a glued material.. that's why you need to have a hostile attitude, to question what nonsense he said..
@@Gecmajster123456I think he ment the granite is " glued " with quarts,replace the quarts and you have "another " form of glued substance. 🏴🤔👍🏻🏴
He's just asking questions. That's what you do. Many questions about every little difference. I believe whoever built the pyramids may have found a way to melt/change the stone, but I don't get butt hurt when someone is questioning the process. That's the Scientific method. Questions Questions questions. I'm on the toilet as most here are and your reply is anticipated because my laughing helps to speed up the process, and when I'm done with your comments, I can flush it away as well. Geez.
Thank you! This just made my day! 🤣
No he was OK.. maybe ur being to sensitive
If the product mentioned does in fact allow you to melt that type of granite at 800 celcius it appears the answer is staring everyone in the face. They forgot one thing they also had. Dolarite balls. Melting temperature of them is 1200 celcius. That removes the ploblem of the flame blowing it away. Spread the powder over the Granite, heat Dolrite (or whatever those so called pounders are), to hign temperaure with blast furnace then put them on the Granite that was prepared and watch melt and scoop out whats melted. Food for thought and if the waste was usable that would explain why there isn't any large stockpiles of it.
1200 C. Huge stones. Transported from quarries, furnaces?
@Beljasion there are many problems with this in practice. When using thermal technologies with stone, many different reactions are happening in succession along this spectrum from cold starting temperature to eventual melting of stone into liquid form. It is extremely challenging to melt a mass of stone unless it's placed in a cauldron. I use various thermal technologies to etch, finish, texture, and carve granite, including cutting deep channels in the quarry. Even using my largest most aggressive torch, which burns up to 3,000 degrees centigrade, *melt pooling* is difficult to achieve. The stone surfaces fracture and spall violently into chards and disintegrate into powdered sand. A mass of this debris has loft and stubbornly resists melting because of low thermal conductivity.
@Beljasion who the hell is melting granite back then?, are you effing serious lol, there's exactly 0 evidence for any of what he says it's all talk to make money.
@GroberWeisenstein and where are all these "lost technologies" then, I'll tell you it's in these con artists heads.
@@PaulBrown-uj5le there's lots of evidence of glazing vitrification that results from various thermal methods, one being firesetting..
I read through about the first dozen comments and was amazed by how closed minded most of the comments were! Many comments appeared to be completely oblivious to the fact that these two men are speaking in a langauge that is not there native langauge. Most of these critic's probably only speak english and have either never been to a foriegn country or they are so arrogant that they expect everyone in the world to speak in their language. I will tell you what I perceive this man is saying. He discovered a method to make granite pliable using materials that ancient peoples had access to. He also stated that he doesn't claim to know the exact formula or process that they used. How hard would it be once the granite was pliable to mix it with other pliable substances and get a composite that matches what exists at these sites? If I remember basic chemestry in order to blend a homogenous mixture from two ingredients they simply need to have similar melting points. Now I am no geologist but I would guess that all granite regardless of color has a similar melting point. As far as the molds go it seems reasonable to presume that using sand molds similar to casting metal would do the job nicely. A scientific mind would get to work trying to prove or disprove it and not nit pick a non native english speakers inability to communicate his idea into your langauge!
I read through the comments as well. I didn't see anyone mocking them. One guy quoted them and gave them credit for a great show.
Is it possible you may be getting outraged for no reason?
Agree to a point. The whole world doesn't speak English. I can work with this.
right and wrong, it may not be their mother tongue but it seems they manage well words such as stupid and other belittling one's....and at the end it is really difficult to follow this interview, they should have done it in their language. the translators work really well nowadays.
every theory is good to hear, at least once!
The problems highlighted about the stones in Egypt are more their transportation means and the tools used to carve them.
this theory raises so many more issue than solve them...
I have a hard time integrating this theory into the framework of Egyptology.
However, it remains an innovative solution for the creation of megalithic works
It amazes me how you described yourself in a nutshell.
Perhaps all the stones ever used which are now considered so hard were much much softer once upon a time. Time hardens many things. Of course the opposite is also true. But I also once heard that a south american bird that builds its nest in sheer cliff walls by choosing a spot and bringing a pulverized plant to help soften the mineral. Eventually a hole is formed with pecking away at the spot treated this way. The ancients observed this behavior and used the technique to do the same thing with their projects or so it is supposed.
Presents a weak theory then undermines his credibility 100% at the end by dismissing the mathematical precision of the vases. 😳
Why would you rely on the Egyptian depictions of stone softening/shaping, if we know FOR SURE that all the ancient megaliths (including those in Egypt) pre-date those depictions by many thousands of years and also knowing that the Egyptians themselves did not use those advanced techniques???
It's like relying on a blind person's depiction of a sunset....
Glass beads and glass jewelry that act like a "magnifying glass." Were the ancient Egyptians so unobsevant that the glass had magnifying properties ?
6:49 I have to make a correction to this statement. Water Jet cutting uses abrasive materials, typically agate.
To the two men who had the conversation and chose to share it with us thank you for being willing to think outside of traditional thought! Only by looking at puzzles from different angles can a solution be discovered! I would evaluate any actual points or arguments for insights that maybe didn't occur to you and press on. All great ideas and breakthroughs in human history were initially met with skepticism and ridicule. This is just the forge of purification to burn off concepts that cannot withstand scrutiny. Empierical testing of the idea combined with numerous failures teaches us what does not work. Most men in history who achieved anything worth knowing by being stubbornly persistent seeking an answer to a question.
Water glass or Sodium Silicate (readily available, easy to make) has been used for many years by machinists and metal casters to make removeable mold cores with fine sand. After you form it to make the cores, you expose it to Carbon Dioxide and it turns very solid and hard instantaneously. After casting the metal, the water glass cores can be easily washed out or the interior pockets of the casting with water quite quickly.
Natron is another name for sodium carbonate: a relatively strong base but somewhat weaker than lye (sodium hydroxide). Quartz is also the main component of glass. Heating glass with a strong base - even at temperatures far less than 800 degrees C - will even corrode lab glass. So, there is some potential merit to this guy's theory. Consider that the natron in ancient times would have been crude. If obtained via evaporation, as suggested here, there would also have been sodium chloride (salt) and phosphates like sodium phosphate that solidified with the natron upon evaporation.
That said, if the purpose of this natron was to degrade or dissolve granite, the presence of either salt or phosphates may actually be beneficial to their task. Indeed, one of the ways hobbyists etch glass is with phosphoric acid. At increased temperatures, phosphate salts might do the trick by themselves or amplify the power of the natron significantly; possibly by the formation of a third substance from the heat induced reaction between natron, salt, phosphates, carbon dioxide and ash (which contains Potassium). Food for thought so I'll keep this short.
Thanks for this information.
Probabably learned from the surviving Atlanteans when they seeded the earliest great civilizations after their demise. Well done boys, I liked this enormously. Thank you.
Thanks a million!
the Atlanteans were BLACK and modern archeology is RACIST for not pursuing the original creators of CIVILIZATION.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle The Atlanteans could not have been BLACK because they were not there, or anyware 🙂. Not sure if that is RACISM though .........😁
@@AustinKoleCarlisle 😅
reverse psychology...
The megalithic blocks are each one different and unique. If they used a single mold to make the blocks, the blocks should all look exactly alike. Why would they construct a new mold for each new block? It would have been easier and more efficient to just carve each block individually, instead of making a new mold for each block.
They probably did not have the same quantity of geo-polymer. Did you watch the presentation on his website? Perhaps they did use a number of molds depending on the available volume of geo-polymer. The depth of these stone was always the same anyway; shape, hight and width differed in walls.
The variety of shapes lock the blocks together for resilience in earthquake prone places
Perhaps they used a solution to soften an outer layer, not the whole rock. So only a rough shape was needed to be quarried
Very interesting, thank you for that.
You should get in touch with professor Joseph Davidovits, he is the word expert on geopolymer. He also demonstrated in his books how they did it in ancient time. And did a real successful experiment in France a decade ago. I think they created 5 blocks out of geopolymer, a tonne each.
For me it is not so much the material that is a question anymore, it's more the complexity and the precision of these buildings. We are talking about millimeter precision on hundreds meters scale, and blocks that can weigh tonnes.
And as far as I know, I printed the first geopolymer house with modern equipment of course, and we were far from the precision of the pyramids.
Thanks again, you guys have an amazing accent 😉
Thank you! 🤗
he just published a new RUclips video (last week) showing how granite stone was made in addition to hard vases.
So what you are seeing in that depiction of the ancient geopolymer method, is the creation of a statue, so it is showing the extraction and processing of the ores, minerals, silica, quartz etc and the mixture is heated up and then it is poured into that red clay mould box through the funnels on top
This is so stuuuupppiiidddd and a waste of time
It’s an interesting theory revisited, but there’s still many unanswered questions that don’t seem to fit within this theory if it is assumed to be used for most granite forming processes. First and foremost, we are operating under the assumption that “the Egyptians didn’t have_______”. This is assuming two things: 1) That the most ancient advanced sites were actually Egyptian when they could easily predate modern assumptions. 2) That the ancient civilizations were lacking certain types of tools and expertise when we can easily find their expertise within the tolerances, stone sizes and complex design (internal chambers, etc.). Even the King’s Valley chambers are dug out of solid granite/earth. Removing masses of granite using some natron seems far-fetched (if he would propose Natron for that use).
When we look at the tube drill spiral grooves artifacts and precision, what doesn’t fit is that these tube drill wall thicknesses were very thin and metal. This alone shows that the ancient (Khemetians?) had advanced use of metals even though we cannot find any of those tools. When it comes to lathing stone “vases”, the most key thing to consider is that in order to maintain tolerances and accuracy on these parts, you would have to have tooling fixtures secure enough to withstand the torques and hold the parts securely in place in addition to the proper metal tools to cut the stones efficiently and effectively. The only things effective at maintaining these tolerances would be metal and ball bearing or at the least a very high tolerance bushing of some kind and that might likely be a stretch (compared to ball bearings).
Certainly the stone appears to have been “softened” somehow, but I believe the softening process more than likely affected the whole mass of a stone, rather than just the surface, and perhaps was executed using some kind of acoustic/energetic process we are still clueless to. This might also have been a process to lessen the mass of the stone materials as well. This seems to dovetail with the similar tech that seems to have been employed in the use of many of these advanced ancient sites with internal underground granite structures etc, revealing measurements which hint toward advanced acoustics and infrasound. This acoustic advanced utilization would make sense from a lost tech POV which is why we seem to be blind to it as we don’t use technology in this way with our energy/design.
I did agree with the guests POV that the geo-polymers (or simply softened stone) was likely formed with pretty much no wood or molds. That theory makes zero sense to create individual molds for every stone. The “polymers” would also require zero shrinkage in order to be molded in place and have zero gaps.
Another thought on natron… if the “Atlantean” era ancients built the most advanced structures, it’s possible the natron was absent in the ancient past, but present for the “reboot” cultures (Khemetians/Egyptians) as a by-product of an ancient flood which dumped the sands and ocean water over that region. Just an additional thought.
Great talk overall and looking into various methods is always a plus.
Indeed…sonic resonance and harmonic oscillation may have been the focus of much research. Including the isolation chambers with stepped vaults and shafts built into the various pyramids. How powerful is deep sound…what is the heartbeat of Earth …we now call it the Schumann Resonance 7.83hz. Spend a few days or weeks isolated within the confines of a secured Kings Chamber. Like taking a trip into deep TimeSpace…guaranteed to change your perspective.
They worshiped the sun. Could they have used gold mirrors to reach high temperatures?
This is not how they made the scoop marks. Neither was a Dolorite stone pounding ball.😂
Hammer and pounding ball, baby! We're off to the megaliths!
This process produce geopolymers. The stones in Egypt and South America are NATURAL GRANITE/DIORITE MASSIVE BLOCKS, NOT geopolymers shit.
Torturous interveiw. Fixation on trivial elements.
The dwelling on lakes and water, when dried salt flats are common place and loaded with diferent salts depending on local/regional geochemistry.
The fixation on color when elemental traces or nanostructure determine their appearance. Glass was made in many different colors just by adding different trace elements, look at the cathedrals glasswork.
Keep in mind Egypt lasted aprox 3000 yrs, plenty of time to figure it out. The stone geopolymers could be made in whatever colors they desired.
The opening of the interview do not properly define terms . Most people will not know what Natron is (sodium carbonate) or how common, usefull and abundent it is. (15.00 pr 5 lbs at wallmart) related and found naturally with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda).
The interviewer has done no prior research, and totally lost as to what is pertainent or not. Clueless.
The original text on geopolymers when first proposed, noted the relevant chemistry, locations, abundance, and different methods of formulation. What is of interest here is the addition/use of heat to facilatate chemicall process. The Egyptions would have been quite familial with fire.
Wow, thank you for the in-depth lecture on geochemistry and ancient Egyptian fire skills! It's clear that you've uncovered the secret alchemy behind natron and colored glass that the rest of us trivial-minded folk have completely missed. Next time, I’ll make sure to enroll in Geopolymers 101 before daring to discuss anything remotely related to lakes or salts. Your insight is as enlightening as a dried salt flat!
I went into the Cairo museum to see some of the exhibits etc. the unfinished granite box 📦 etc. if you look at the cut on the back of the box 📦. You can see the guide line they make for cutting. It’s not scraped on. It looks like it’s high pressure liquid. Also the cut is polished. Same with the core samples. ( when they drilled holes into granite). All polished. Very different from modern techniques etc. I think 🤔 this guys original idea was correct. High pressure water jets. 👍👍👍👍. He gave this idea up. Because he couldn’t find a way to make it work with primitive technology. This is a mistake because he’s not following the evidence. Just because you can’t find machines doesn’t mean they didn’t exist………(. The machines that make the huge engineering marvels in modern times are few and far between ). It would be silly 🙃 in thousands of years in the future. If future generations found the remains of the Golden Gate Bridge for example. Or the Panama Canal. To say. We can’t find the machines. We can only find chisels and hammers. Therefore they must have built these things with hand tools 🛠️. Ridiculous right. 👍. Now we know how these bridges and canals where built. But you’d have a hard time finding the original equipment. Even today. Let alone thousands of years later. It’s like for example. The Volkswagen Beetle. Build in the millions. Try finding one today. ???????
That’s an incredibly valid point. Imagine looking for a tunnel boring machine in 4000 years
They did find the machines, they are all over the Giza complex in plain sight. Instead of looking like machines, they are now huge rust deposits.
@@oldskool235 You could well be right 👍my friend. Given the extreme age. They would all be rusted away. I also remember hearing something about napoleon’s troops dragging machines out of the great pyramid. No way of knowing if that’s true. But I live in Belfast. The city was once full of linen mills. Full of machinery. The machines are long gone. The building. What remains. Are now apartments. Try finding the machines. You’ll find it difficult. Only a few remain in museums etc.
I have also thought about water jets. There is jewelry from Cyprus and Egypt made of sapphires that they drilled and put on gold necklaces.
Try drilling sapphires... It's even hard using diamonds because of vibrations.
Have you seen this video about Inca megaliths? A reddish liquid was used to soften the stone, and it seems the Inca chose to work with stone that contains quartz and feldspar, e.g. granite and granite-like stones: ruclips.net/video/_KbSFphHCZY/видео.html
When i was younger i worked as an IT consultant at a marble sales company where slabs were cut with water jets to shape the countertops for bathrooms and kitchens. The water cut the slabs like a laser and fast!
But that the slab is no more than 6 inches thick. Keep that in mind. I dont know how deep the water jets could penetrate.
Hmm yes. This is so true!
Depending on the application, the cutting abrasive (usually fine garnet at ~200 micron) can cut pretty nicely, but deeper cuts have problems with kerf (aka width of cut)
You need At least 15.000 psi water jet to cut concrete.
Proves mohs scale is a useless argument
We have ours, set at 50,000 psi, and we use 80 grit garnet.
Where is this youtube video of the guy dissolving the pyramid stone in boiling water???
you mean sandstone
In the area where they let you pound stones near the obelisk, Is there any evidence of and progress made from all the tourists trying it? and I also wonder how many years and the amount of time people are there attempting this. It seems like we've had this ongoing experiment for years and I haven't been able to locate any compiled data.
pounding stones is just another circus like experiment, the same as this guy has done with his miniature statues.. unbelievable honestly..
The tourists pounding stone is part of conditioning them to believe the narrative put out there. Most people are not going to question it. BUT we will.
T his guy needs to explain all the 😅quarrys what nut
Different cultures over eons between cataclysmic events cause everyone to go back in their holes and start again. People Tend to go back to existing stucture. Just like fish
I have always stated that the ancient structures were molded or poured into place. When you drill into a sample, you find that they consist of a concrete like substance.
My theory how the pyramids were built was the blocks were poured. The loose material was transported by river to the base of site. The structure was constructed from the centre and outwards. Each of the blocks were formed and then poured, the compacted. So for the ground level you would have formed a square with the very centre left void. Poured the ring of blocks with four sides, allowed to dry overnight, then next day remove the formwork and install it one block width away. They could have used the previous block as a wall to pour up against. As they went up levels they would transport the loose material through the centre of the structure using those inclined passageways and then poured the blocks from the centre to the outer edge.
It sounds like Davidovits’ theory.
Also, Aswan granite is only 5% quartzite… I don’t think dissolving 5% of the granite at Aswan would create those scoop marks. Not to mention the holes in Aswan… If natron was used to help the “drill” holes then how are the threads still visible?
Sorry, twaddle. Just waffles. Jump frim a little resin mould to an obelisk etc. 😂
The sitting figure right of the two who are pouring something, is a symbol they use to depict a process, in this case it meant the deposition of the poured material, that will solidify later on. That sitting figure is depicted in many hieroglyphs that describe a chemical process, and is always mean settlement (sitting down ) and depositions. It is different from all the figures around, and is always depicted exactly like this. (identical symbols).
The question I always ask myself is why did they use granite to make these structures. Why make something in the hardest possible way. I think the only 2 reasons are 1. Because it's a sign of skill. But if this was the case why don't we see them building up to it. We almost see the reverse. 2. Is the granite wasn't as hard to work with as we think. They must have had a technique or tool. This makes more sense logically unfortunately we don't have evidence to prove it.
Things of this magnitude are done only out of need. Granite same. It was necessary for conductive property? Was it somehow a reagent? Resistant to chemical? If they could economize, they would have, just like all animals, always all down through forever.
Some of these people aren’t as sensible as you and i to question everything. If people think machines made it then why use stone and not the same material the machine is made from? I’ve seen marble statues worn down an inch or more by getting touched constantly over centuries. Mohs scale is not useful with abrasive methods.
Some of these people aren’t as sensible as you and i to question everything. If people think machines made it then why use stone and not the same material the machine is made from? I’ve seen marble statues worn down an inch or more by getting touched constantly over centuries. Mohs scale is not useful with abrasive methods.
I like Hungarians, especially Hungarian girls not to mention the food.
Great interview! I truly enjoyed this subject! He definitely needs funding!
This was one of the most interesting podcasts I ever heard. Can’t wait for the follow-up.
@@erichter66 thanks 🙏
Geo polymers is a way of saying “we don’t know”…
what about the wood quantity required to make all this charcoal ? how much forest have you to burn to remove so much stone layer after layer ?
Some say the potassium craze in "new world" america was an example of what happens. Parallel story but similar.
On the other hand he has been investigating what crops would provide the right mix of minerals in its ash. I believe he's found that resinous crops serve best aside from resinous trees.
There are melted stones in Europe from where earth kilns were fueled by such things like grouse which are very resinous and smoulder well over long periods.
you dont need charcoal. egyptians had access to large amounts of bitumen, a natural petroleum oil stone compound. was used in lots of things in ancient times including waterproofing, especially in this area of the world at that time
This is the number 2 reason why all the "Egyptians melted it" hypotheses fall apart. Number 1 reason being the massive amount of wood needed to make all kinds of differently shaped molds (which incidentally makes the "it's all cement" hypotheses fall apart as well). And where are any of the remains of these crates? Where are any remains of "water glass" or charcoal embedded in any of the quarry rocks? Are there any chemical markers for those near the "scoop marks" at Aswan? Where are parts of those bellows? When you cast something like those perfectly flat boxes at the Serapeum, - how exactly are those surfaces more than 100 times smoother than the wooden walls of any modern crate? How do they get the bubbles out thousands of years before vacuum technology, because no split Egyptian stone ever had a single bubble (which would have been a telltale sign of molding)? Has there been even one gypsum (or any other material) casting crate for any statue found? Why not? Whoever thinks the host was "provocative" is delusional. Any Egyptologist worth his degree would make this dude's dominoes fall apart very quickly. Gosh, even the people like UnchartedX could probably pick holes in this idea very quickly.
Why do you think Egypt is now a desert ? LOL
Jeff Drum / LAND OF CHEM proposes Great Pyramid generated Methane from cattle dung. Would that suffice?
man... you have to improve the subtitles for those of us who don't speak english as a first language... it was sooo difficult to understand. Sorry... but I'm being honest.
I appreciate it, thank you! Yes i know that, it’s automatically translated and it is quite poor quality. I will figure something out because I also have to puke when i see it, but currently I have no capacity to manually translate it
The ONLY thing this guy says that's accurate, obvious and has real implications is when he says, "I'm no geologist." TRUE DAT
None of the blocks in the pyramids are carved.. you're right
So, this guy made a small mark on some granite.
Geologists use microscopy to analyze crystalline structure. It is not a problem to distinguish natural vs artificial stone. The idea of using a water glass to make any of the stonework is simply not supported. That said, it is possible some finishes were achieved by incorporating natron to create a very smooth vitreous finish. I would recommend exploring this idea instead.
Also, the scoop marks at Aswan would not be easier to create using natron. A force multiplier to drive the pounding stones into the granite and fracture the quartz crystals would be faster.
Water glass/sand based castings cured with Carbon dioxide gas, ( modern mold cores for metal casting) are hard yes, but easily dissolve in water, making them non-weather proof.
@johnkemas7344 yes that's a good point, it is very improbable that any water glass or similar material would have anywhere near the weather resistance and durability of natural stone.
Paul Cook Hidden History, Paul has also made geopolymer granit.
I beg to differ, but I respect your thoughts on this. But if this is the way they shaped all of the cut stones in antiquity, it would take a tremendous amount of resources to do it. Cant imagine where they would get all of the required elements of this but I could see them using this for some smaller projects. But there is plenty of proof that machine tools were used in making the cuts on a number of stone artifacts.
The term softening implies a process from hard to soft. However the theoretician have forgotten to describe the end process after soften that is how it went through from soft to hard.
Good friends, I don't want to be the smart one and I don't want you to believe me either! maybe you still have a chance to find them!!There are some videos that are no longer on the Internet, but surely someone has them!There are videos of people making rocks and melting them then making them soft.They are ancient methods and there are people who still know these things! If you know how to look for them, you will find them, or maybe there are others who can confirm that they have seen them!
There are scientific papers on how to make these types of stone shapable.
Can you share?
Hmm, Interesting. I have mineralised quartz on my land. I heat it in a normal wood fire then quench it in vinegar. After this I can crush it in my hands with no tools. I however use a mortar and pestle so I don't wear my skin off. Then pan it for the gold. So quartz totally reacts to thermal change. Never tried to glue it back together. But if I did then it would be a geo-polymer, would it not? Not softened rock?
Really vinegar?
I agree...but your speaking is very slow and boring...
Sorry I failed you 🥲
With the etching method, i can see etching a large block and breaking away the etched material to reveal a more manageable block in the rough shape desired. Splitting granite the way we have for millenia seems easier.
Why etch it though? A large impact force will fracture the quartz crystals. Further shock force in the same plane will propagate the fracture. Granite is easily split by propagation of crystal fracture along grain boundary. Pounding to form scoops does the same thing ... the angle of impact creates a fracture propagation that is subhorizontal. Further impact at right angle to that fracture plane will quickly remove large volumes of material. The trick is it requires a force multiplier to create sufficient impact, not simply hand pounding. This is achieved with something as simple as a log tied to a rope (which transfers swing momentum to a dolerite pounding stone).
Kudos to the Interviewer…thoughtful and provocative…
Thanks a million! 🙏
This theory is a dream. A basic geological knowledgement shows that this is totally wrong.
Not sure about that. There is no way the Egyptians had the mental capacity to build the pyramids. Even today, they could only accomplish this with assistance.
It no more fantastical than any other theory presented.
Knowledgement ?????......so your a geologist?.....ok right 😂
Good work guys, really, really, really good work, and good theory too!!
Thanks a million!
Whether you agree with the theory or not, there had to be some knowledge of smelting and casting techniques for the Copper Age to have kicked off. A logical progression would be that the first "rocks" (metals are crystals) that humans were able to smelt and cast were salts, with the process being an accidental discovery from firing pottery. The next logical step would be to experiment with alloys of salts using various rock dusts collected from the creation of stone tools. This would then lead to finding and smelting metal ores, gold probably being the first (despite the "experts" claiming it was lead), of which African gold is usually found in quartz veins... It's not only possible, but plausible that the discovery of metal smelting was an accident while trying to clean up the "dirty" quartz to powder and use as a component for casting salt/stone alloys. And a possible reason that Ancient Egyptians were not the most innovative metallurgist society at that time is because they were still using their ancient techniques of stone casting.
And before anyone scoffs at the idea of melting and casting stone alloys, that's exactly what glass making is... And the oldest know evidence of glass making is from 3600 BCE in Ancient Egypt. The "official" narrative is that is was an accidental byproduct of metal smelting, I'm just suggesting that maybe the experts got that backwards and stone casting came first.
Boil the water 💦 = salt thats how the collected it!
Has anyone tested the donut & cone shaped stones throughout the entire UK.. EVERY SINGLE PART where megalithic sites exist.. mind is blown!!..
I think they found a natural acid that can make the stone soft.. then the acid drains out of those notches when they put too much acid or need less space between rocks.
102nd thing, I shouldn't be thinking about... But the title alone is rational and close to how I would do it "Back in the Day" the nubs in these structures look like relief notches in the outer wooden structure, to allow the settling of the somewhat viscous medium / "concrete" . Imagine ground fill on the interior and a Wood mold on the exterior, the middle stones we see today were laid down in layers , solidified and the wooden exterior is gone
Sorry, but this is possibly the least well thought out idea I have seen! Yes, granite gets brittle when heated - but you dont need natron to do that, just build a bonfire on the rock itself.
Second, the colour difference between the unfinished obelisk and the surroundings is not due to some kind of chemical difference, but that the obelisk has bedn swept and the surroundings are covered by desert dust.
Granite tends to weather by flaking, which is seen in the funereal temples at Giza.
I lasted 12 minutes of this drivel, that’s as much as I could take.
Have you possibly thought of? And I consider not that this would have to be a stone that would be ground down into a fine powder like a cement powder. How do you think they grind it down. It's a lot more work. Go back to the drawing board.
Great theory. I have studied ancient alchemy and understanding of chemistry. I also have a geo polymer theory that uses instead of water use a filler which is a preservative like salt, alcohol or oil. This process i hope will allow for a longer time to set which can be shaped or molded into the desred shape or stamping of drawings into the concrete. I believe that the granite can be dissolved and rebonded with heat. Granite quarries should have fine grains of granite and quartz that nature naturally does over thousands of years every mountain side has broken down granite. It's great that he broke down the granite and quartz with chemicals back into grain form without building his flintstone machine like the scientists who ask where are the huge grinding machines to crush granite to grain form. IT guy 1 scientists 0. Determination over science. Nature is the biggest grinder of stone, granite or mountain. Simply collect the granite quartz sand grains and rebond together. Would a less acidity pine ash allow for a slower dry time. I have been burning and collecting white pine and needles ash for a couple of years that I will mix with either salt. After watching this video i wonder if the salt will effect the already neutral process for dissolving the quartz bonding agent. Food for thought
You don't need a 1000ft tall pipe if you boil the water. The obelisk doesn't have any dirt on it making it a different color. The Nile river next to the Aswan quarry has plenty of water for any operation in the desert. Where do I find the pictures of the board imprints in the rocks in Peru? I've got a video on how they make the vases. Very cool research
Just when you think you've found the solution, sometimes someone will come along and prove it was something else entirely.
I can tell you this; the stone levitation technology is easily paired with another technology used by David Adair at one point, to weave molten nickel into thread. You can make any shape imaginable with frequency. In fact I'm writing an Ai program that does just that.
Having so much sand along with the supposedly hi-tech allowing high-temperatures - one question arises, why Ancient Egypt was not a ... Glass Building Civilization.
Take a look at for example Tutankamons mask, the blue lines are actually fabricated glass. The oldest known examples of glass are from mesopotamia and ancient egypt.
Egypt produced large quantities of glass, but very little survives. Glass is amorphous non crystaline structure. Technically a liquid that melts/flows over hundreds and thousands of years.
If you had a glass cup 2000 years ago it would have been stolen, broken or melted back into the sand/rock. Unlike crystal or metals which are much more stable through time and chemical process.
@@dananorth895some windows glass from some "Scottish" pubs are literally melted. I don't know the composition but they must be different.
@franciscorompana2985 they used spun glass. This is where the glass is initially blown to form a large bulb, which is then cut while a kiln temperature and opened to form a flat disk. Re-attached at it's centre to the pipe, the glass is then re-heated and spun to form a larger flat disk (the glass blower often stood on a raised platform) before laying down to cool and be cut. It's much the reason why windows used small panes of glass and virtually every piece of the glass disk would be used. The central bulb remnant would also be used and is commonly known as a bulls-eye.
Glass (a semi solid material which is neither a solid or liquid) window panes typically slump over a period of time and - in spite of being crafted at an even thickness - can very slowly become thicker at the bottom.
Well remember a lot of people who subscribe to these theories also have great supporting evidence for pushing these advanced ancient Egyptians further back around 11000bc and further, a time when the area was not a desert.
The megalithic sites in the UK also have "melted" stones with hands pushed into the "soft stone" as well.. my brain is rupturing right now!!!!
Interesting theory and could explain a thing or two.
However,
The scoop marks at Aswan are, besides on the floor, also vertical on the "walls", and even upside down on the bottom of the obelisk... How does one get molten natron for a prolonged time on these surfaces?
I definitely think casting was used in some cases, but we must underscore the fact that precision machining was definitely used. On UnchartedX, they tested vases who were so finely made, the tolerance levels rivaled that of the most precise modern CNC machines. They also include precise mathematical geometry. For those that don't have the engineering background to understand: Even if you were to cast these vases, your mold would have to be precise down to the 1000th of a mm in order to make these vases. In order to make the mold, and measure it to see if you didn't take away enough or whether or not you took away too much material in its creation, you'd need precise machining and measuring. Ergo, even if they came from a mold, what then made the mold? Food for thought. Also, these vases are just 2 to 3mm thick in some cases. They are so thin, they're actually translucent. The grains of the granite in these vases have also been "sanded down" to be flush with the vase itself. If you were to pout this, all your individual grains would have to be precisely aligned and shaped in order to achieve this effect. Needles to say that individually forming each grain is just out of the question, and would require the same level of precision. Machining is therefore the only logical solution, and molding pretty much out of the question.
With that said, the first thing I had to think of is the oddly chipped granite surfaces on some of the megaliths. It is suggested that this is evidence of an ancient cataclysm, but if one were to put a rough block of granite in a mold, and cast a slightly different material around it, it stands to reason that these could potentially separate from eachother in a process called "thermal stress". This is the process by which rocks chip naturally due to heating and cooling in day/night cycles. There is quite a temperature differential in the desert there (I've been multiple times), ranging from > +40C to 0C, daily.
Also: Aluminium is much, much softer than the blades used in a sawmill. I have plant biology education, and I can tell you right now that the amounts of aluminium in trees, or any plant for that matter, is quite neglible. They can take it up, but it is toxic. If any plant were to pick up quantities enough to harm a blade of a much, much stronger material, then that plant would surely die. Long before that, you would see growth deficiencies, rendering the tree "worthless", and make it a prime candidate for the woodchipper when thinning production forests.
Very interesting video. I think he should research Professor Davidavits's work with Geopolymers. He created the Geo-Polymer Institute in France & is currently one of the world leaders in the field. He was the first researcher to prove the limestone blocks of the Pyramids were mixed and formed from re-aglomerated decomposing lime stone , water & Kaolin clay. Davidavits even reproduced several multi-ton limestone blocks with nothing more "high tech" than a few water vessels, a few shovels, and some hand mad wooden forms, almost identical to the ones shown in the Heiroglyph images in this video.
I did appreciate the trials. I'm afraid thought that Marcell Fóti neglects the fact the wood was probably more precious then gold for the those-Egyptians. So the equation misses the required petatons of energy, he conveniently bought his waterglass. I recall watching the videos where couple of egyptologist were 'proving' how the old-egyptians were supposed to be cutting and shaping these stones.
So the 2.5 million uniquely sized blocks of the great pyramid were molded.
So how did they make the 2.5 million precise, individually unique sized molds.
The giant statues that are perfectly symmetrical, making such symmetrically perfect molds would be as difficult to achieve.
The problem with people is that they have to think we're at the pinnacle of the human race, and everything we find has to fit within their own limited perceptions.
He mentions the use of boards to hold the blocks until they firmed up. Any thoughts on how they made these giant boards, and why they didn't leave marks in the setting stone?
The thing that people should realise is that the megalithic structures all around the world are absolutely impossible except for them actually being there.
So instead of trying so hard to bring a simple solution to make them possible, we should expand our minds and think outside of the box, think of the impossible.
I appreciate the guy trying, but it falls apart with just a little thought.
If this technology was deployed across every continent, during the Egyptian dynastic period, we would never have lost it.
Whatever was lost to us, was obviously, to many of us, lost during the younger dryas.
It's not as if he's the first to come up with the theory of melting/molding the megaliths, and hey, who knows .... not the Egyptians.
You mention the one mural, but with this architecture and the megalithic artifacts supposedly being their greatest achievements, we'd see far more of their construction bring depicted.
The ancient Egyptians had no problem in stating that their culture was legacy based.
Why do all of the old civilisations have unfinished megaliths, and then all suddenly lose the technologies, if not for a catastrophic event?
After all we have a good idea of their tools and technologies for everything else they did, apart from the precision hard stone vases, which leans towards inheriting them along with amazing structures that they did their best to emulate by building with mud bricks.
In my opinion...
who edited this? Don't you know to put the little window somewhere where it won't cover the video?
WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE VIDEO?
Okay, you showed it and explained it.
Side thought, is that happened to the Cedars of Lebanon? They used them to make the giant unmovable stones on the Temple Mount?
Good show.
They had cedar from Lebanon which is usually a red wood.
GUEST SPEAKS TOO
SLOWLY AND IS TORTURE TO ENDURE
HIM GETTING TO THE POINT. Trying to learn
Something and listening to him is like
Being stuck in tar. And
Trying to walk out of..
Very interesting hypotheses and results shown I thought. If he can do a full closed cycle, resulting in casting a block or statue at scale. Then show that the casting has similar properties to those of the Egyptian versions, then he may have solved it... but they are big 'ifs' at this stage I think. I'm uneasy about his bias that it could not possibly be some ancient technology though, since I think that we have to consider what technology means in the broadest sense, for example, human technology.
I'm sorry, but that guy Claiming the natron was used to Cast granite In the pristine shapes and corner cuts To absolute 90°.
There's just no way..
😂😂😂muppets
I always believed it was laser technology of some type that gave the joints that melted look. I did so because of mythology of India that described war machines in the skies and laser type weapons. I now believe the walls were built exactly as was described in this video.
watch "pyramid k", that documentary is long and explains how the natron was used as you have, but heat mechanism was different..what's interesting that pro remote viewers at "farsight" give clues to how giza was built which corroborates a lot of pyramid k doc, and now what you guys talking is more in that direction. thank you and bravo
I believe they used Hot Air balloons to move ALL MASSIVE STONES AND STATUES. There is no other possible way to have set these stones into exact positions.
They used the same technique to build the pyramid stones.
They use Whale Stomach or Leviathan Stomach to produce the stones in place.
A team of men created the exact form, necessary for each stone as they progressed. they mixed limestone and a binder, poured the mixture into the stomach lining bag, placed the bag into the mold. And went to the next stone position and repeated the method. How did they get stones weighing in the tons up the side of the mountain? They did not need to. Just like concrete molding is sone today.
Why make it more difficult than it has to be fellas?
WOW. This is the beginning of finding out. We must try it out....He's not saying he found the exact way. He's saying he found the beginning of an avenue to explore! If we stop exploring then, we stop advancing. I like his theory. I believe he will find a way to make it work or find out why it won't work out and go another route.
If whats being hinted is that "natron" , calcium carbonate , acting as a flux and heat would melt the quartz in granite ( actually dissolve the silicon dioxide into sodium/calcium silicate), think again.
The heat input would be huge, given that you would need to apply the correct hot salts and keep them in position on massive , irregular, shapes.
Try making sodium silicate from sodium hydroxide and silica gel. Do the math.
You might get some surface etching but you wont scoop out shovelfuls as whats underneath the part quarried obelisk)
Also, cast granite will not be granite anymore , its crystalline properties will change. Its not just heat that holds it together, its mainly the intercrystalline structures of the various mineral components. The rate of heating, cooling and pressure curves is what normally determines the most significant properties of igneous rocks like granite.
Besides crystallography will easily determine if a "mineral" has been re-melted and cooled.
Simple heating and cooling will change granite irreversibly.
Uninformed experiments will lead to badly informed coffee table talk.
XRF for telling if you have granite or a water glass mix ( "geopolymer" ) ???
Its like using a using your tounge to listen to music.
Crystallography will immediately tell you what you need to know.
Who is doing this science ?
Terrence Howard ?
Interesting discourse . You started saying the problem with string...
I would love to hear the rest or that thought train.
You are on the right path and the ancient fire setting method was done incased in clay to protect it from the wind and to increase and direct the heat, clay was also used to protect the object such as the obelisk. Try your natron salt water glass experiment incased in clay like a temporary kiln. This fire setting method will allow roughly 1 foot deep of granite to be easily removed and then the fire is set again
Very fascinating guys, and you did a good job describing this process in a language you guys don’t speak all the time! I’ve struggled through trying to speak in very broken Spanglish when I was on a mission trip in Guatemala, and it is so frustrating not speaking your first language if you’re not fluent in said language 😂 I did get to see Tikal on that trip in 2015 which was an eye opener. I’m interested to hear your ideas about Peru next time maybe? Have a blessed day fellas!
Thank you! I would like to extend the topic of the podcast to other ancient sites too, but i have to learn more about them first.
What is 'metacolin' (sic) ? I could not understand the word or the text like to know. Thanks
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I'm have to investigate more. Thanks for your top notch research. Best regards from Portugal 🇵🇹
Ask AI, "When did the Iron Age begin?"and AI says 1,200 BC.
If you see "scoop marks," it was made with a case-hardened steel tool
and if that's before 1,200 BC then that means someone on earth invented the iron-age way before 1,200 BC
This means there was no need for "stone softening" since the steel tools are way harder than any rock that has them.
Problem solved -
I think you're close, rammed earth with geo polymer in the mix. Once water is added it's rock solid.
Compact the dry "cement" earth mixture by pounding then add water or in some cases fire by kiln or just building a large fire around the structure like the forts in Scotland
They figured out how to use crushed fine granite powder mixed with a binder of some type. They did not have the tech to handle molten magma or lava or Anything so extremely hot. They produced everything in clay first. Then created a sand mold, Poured their mixture into the mold. The absolute perfection attained? This would be the most likely way they were produced.
Hi guys, I too have tried to figure this out. This is what I came up with " if every one of these cultures made metals like gold, copper and silver. If you use the wash water from mining which is very acidic you can chemically burn off the liquid it makes any kind of stone crumble.
Fact no 1. Sand in Egypt contains high level of iron. Iron can make reddish colour at higher tempetures. So this a glue to make artificial red granite.
Fact no 2. Also some clay found from river bends can contain high amounts of aluminium.
Idea from the past: Also Pyramids, could been built by mold making bricks. Sand is easier to carry than big stones. And they are molded on place.
Why are so many non-construction people talking about construction! In construction we use molds to automate the process of building. We only use molds to cast items for mass production and uniformity. If the Egyptians used molds there would be millions upon millions of the exact same blocks, columns or whatever of the exact same size, same weight and with exact casting indentations. There would be absolute proof of casting throughout. Have you ever seen a brick building where every brick is a different size in every direction…of course not because we use molds to cast them to be uniform and mass produced. If I were heading some research I would be taking extensive soil samples everywhere around the pyramids and quarries because the Egyptians clearly had mastered advanced abrasives. They were able to sand and polish granite, one of the hardest natural stones, so the powdered material they used had to be harder than granite. They left pillow marks everywhere on stones. They made core drills and straight saw cuts in granite! All only possible with the stones or copper tools of their time and crushed powder abrasives of some kind. In modern times all of our cutting wheels for granite have an industrial diamond coating as the abrasive to cut or polish. Is it possible the ancient civilizations discovered how to coat copper or other metals with a diamond like abrasive? If so, they could cut through any stone pretty efficiently. When the coated tool was worn down they simply remelted it and cast a new tool or something else and maybe that’s why their ancient tools don’t exist in quantity. Maybe they should check some copper cast statues or bowls to see if there are embedded abrasive particles from repurposed copper tools. I think the Egyptians (and other ancient civilizations) discovered high tech abrasive coatings to cut and polish stone. King Tut had a steel dagger believed to be from a meteorite. Could they have discovered a form of steel or technology to harden metals and coated them with abrasives. If so, they discovered modern day coatings, they would have had the equivalent of a modern day granite quarry cutting blade. Keep it simple, that’s the answer.
I love that more. People are trying to understand the concept of how it can be done, but it’s even easier than all those steps. I don’t mean to dismiss his understanding and ideology, but you don’t have to go through all of that. You gotta do is heat the Stone up to 1500°and then hit it with cold water evaporates in an explosion that’s how simple it is. I’ve been doing Granite my whole life. What is flame finish? I can get it pretty precise.
Pyramids were build not of granite but of the limestone which is softer stone and limestone can be crushed to dust and remolded to hard stone as you wish. Limestone is formed from the remains of marine organisms and their shells so that material is possible to soften with acids and salty sea water , make into limestone mud and reform into the blocks which will harden into the same limestone they started as
this is old hat, sorry but I found the answer , to this stone thing 5,6, yrs ago, scoop marks should, put you on the right track,? the stone was shaped, while still soft,! yes all rock is biology, most from, the great flood,and was easily, carved just look at petra, looks like fresh cut meat, coz it is, and quartz is flesh and tendon, chopped up, minced, with all, the metals taken out. I know it sounds mental, there is even , an Asian, temple carving, with a man , pushing, a contraption, like a wheelbarrow, that is grinding, up people to remove metals, I think, take a close look at your granite counter top it looks like cubes, the pyramids, were not built,! they were carved, from huge plateaus, shaped down, from the top, then carved out, and finished with casing stones, giants were, stone workers, I have seen a map, from before the pyramids, were built, giza had several, huge, devils tower, looking things! thoth, was the builder, if you want to know more, get in touch.
What is he saying at 11:26-11:36, about the name of the thing that desolves quartz? In CC, it reads "molon nron" or "mnron", but it sounds like hes saying "motornature"!
And, after you chemically break down the granite, can you reconstitute it?
Watching him think is exhausting 😂 I do agree that fire and most likely water were used to liberate large quantities of granite. They were probably using water for rapid contraction of the granite by rapidly cooling.
Muriatic acid, used in pool maintenance, when applied in concentration to unpolished granite, will eventually turn hard stone into a sandy mush...