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Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble Disagree Over Sphinx Water-Erosion Theory
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- JRE #2136 w/Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble
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Fuckin finally, we got a break form politics and Israel and comedians, this is prime JRE content right here
There was the mushroom guy
@@JacowateHamaeran have you seen Randall on Shaun Ryan show? Pretty good
@@JacowateHamaeran I would listen to 5 hours of that
@@JacowateHamaerannah m8 we need Alex Grey back lmao
Just wait until Israel is done conquering Palestine, they'll be coming after Egypt next to either give back the pyramids, or pay reparations (with compound interest).
Flint Dibble looks exactly like a Flint Dibble should look
LMAO
Reminds me of the megalomaniac sadist nutter guy who is Fauci's replacement.
Looks like he stole his dad's clothes. It's all too big for him. 😂
And doesn't look like Flint from G.I. Joe
Din’t Flibble***
Somebody else said "I'll take an eighth of purple kush, and a half ounce of that Flint Dibble" 😆💀😆
lil' dab of Dibble. lol getchu' right....
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I bet Flint Dibble plays Yu Gi Oh wearing that same suit
YuGiOh rox
HAHAHAHAHA best comment yet 😂😂😂😂
Title should have been: Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble Quibble over Sphinx Dribble.
Brilliant
God this is good lol
Please correct Sphinx spelling. Otherwise completely unamusing....
@@deathorb oh gods, how humiliating, thank you.
@@joshuaross2784 amusement level restored
Flint gives off "3 kids stacked in a trenchcoat" vibes. He even has the voice for it. 😂
🤣🤣
Lmao
Thought you were going to say 3 kids locked in his basement vibes!
He looks like he's using those little tiny plastic hands😂😂
“Flintcent” Adultman 🐴
8:20 'How do we date the sphinx?'
Buy it dinner, dont mention its nose.
🤣😂
Amd never ask her age for fuk sake...
I like how respectful that dude was to let graham do his talk before he had a rebuttal
Amen to that, don't see enough of it these days.
THEN his evidence-based discourse just crushed both the fools.
But did he really have a rebuttal everyone knows wood breaks down naturally faster than rock. So if they are basing their claims off of the wood the point would be moot. Untreated and I mean by current ways of treating wood, cause I'm sure they had a way but it wouldn't survive thousands of yrs. So that would have to be redone probably a few times throughout history. So that's not a valid way to date the stone. And his only point on the stone that it came from nearby quarries which again doesn't speak to the date of the stone. His whole argument sounds like a script no real evidence. Just that anything else is wrong. And the walls clearly have water erosion. And look at that outer wall erosion compared to the new structures inside. That's at least hundreds of years between when the outer way was put in place. Obviously I don't know when it was made. But to be able to definitively say when it was or wasn't sounds like a lie to me.
@@angiecoleman9565 You are mistaken on all counts. Yes, Flint Dibble had a well-researched, scientific & sensible rebuttal for all the nonsense spewed by Hancock & dimwit Rogan. Check it from respectable sources, if you wish to check.
@@gregorynixon2945 what were his points exactly. The only evidence he said unless I missed it was about carbon dating the wood. Whichever even scholars agree isn't a conclusive way to date the pyramids. And him saying water didn't cause the erosion. And just think not from an educated place just a place of common sense. Looking at all other work from that time period there is tons of pictures and statues of lions none of which had human heads. None of which are even the slightest bit disproportionate. Why would this that was done during the period they claim be the only thing done differently. I don't think it would. So his evidence on the spinx head seems wrong. So what was his evidence really I get I can look into it I have for yrs now. And everything I find points in another direction. That's why I like listening to people because I'm looking for evidence. And I don't feel any was brought, just the same script everyone says.
In another universe, Duncan Trussell never got into psychedelics and became Flint Dibble
In another universe, that's just Vaush..
😂😂😂
@@cjperry2731 Vaush desperately needs a long hard psychedelic trip. It wouldn’t be an easy experience, but the world would benefit.
No Duncan and Graham just swap places but keep there same voice from before I'd like that lol
I bet Dibble dabbled
Somebody said “Jamie pull up Flints sleeve” 😂😂😂
This got me good 💀
Shit had me in tears. His sleeves are long as fuck 😂😂😂😂
We all know (according to Kong vs Godzilla) that the pyramids were made using anti gravity technology underneath the ground in a secret city. It must be true, it’s in a Godzilla King Kong movie.
Grab my strong hand
Nailed it
How much flint could a flint dibble dibble if a flint dibble could dibble flint
“Where’d you get that information” “I read it” 😂😂
Which, what, makes it wrong? Because it wasn't somebody 'speaking their truth'?
@@davidpaul2797no because you can’t talk trash, use a reference, and then when called upon to expound your point say “idk man I read it”. Like what??
@@DuckFart I dont think people who didnt seriously work in academia can empathize with what he said. I had well, we'll over 100 references in my dissertation. I could not, gun to my head, recall every single one even on the night I finished writing or the day I defended it to my committee, at the height of how much of that I had in my active memory.
There are many things which 'i know' when thinking or explaining some concept or specific hypothesis/analysis to someone, but aside from maybe several papers which are my favorites or stood out for one reason or other on a given issue, I cant just rattle off every source for a given bit of knowledge. But I'm fairly, if not completely sure the literature exists.
So when asked about something while teaching in the field (geology) or casually, I will often say 'its in the literature'.
By the same token, if I were having a convo on a podcast, I'm not going to come with hundreds of sources printed out/in a database and pause the whole conversation to look up a specific reference that nobody is going to look at, and 99% of the audience cant read for understanding.
Better that Hancock's "I pulled it out my ass, trust me bro".
Let's ne honest, we all just read our information. Yes, we are some experts in specific fields, but just because i know that cigarets cause cancer, didn't mean that i know exactly the study.
The fact that Rogan hasn’t been to Egypt yet is crazy
IKR, he's rich (for some reason) if I had his money, I'd get out of the basement and travel to all the world's mysteries
Egypt is a crazy tyrannical place to go. Many people have bad experiences dealing with their government officials.
Eddie Bravo went to Egypt over 10 years ago. I could be mistaken, but Joe might've went to the pyramid in Mexico.
Egypt is a hell hole for tourists.
They don’t allow recording equipment, and arrest tourists for arriving with it. Few documentaries and influencers are able to record.
This is the most Flint Dibble looking MF I ever seen
😂👏
He looked like 🤡
Hahahahahagahahahahahahahahahahahaga😂
🤣🤣🤣Trueeee
There‘s no way those are his real hands.
Flint: "These hieroglyphics use versions of a name that weren't known until later."
Graham: "Which versions are those?"
Flint: "Idk bro, lol, I don't read hieroglyphics. XD."
Guy is a fraud, why did Joe even invite this clown
Yeah, but it's a lost point for Hancock anyway as long as what Flint is saying here is true, even if he's not an expert in this particular field, because it renders Hancock's core point irrelevant.
@pallhe only renders his point revelvent if its true. And you just pointed out its not known for sure if its true.
@@Adam-bm7mq I didn't say it's not known if it's true, I just said I didn't know if it was. Note the difference. But it's evidently based on research Flint has read about and it defeats Hancock's whole central point here.
@pallhe I get what you're saying. As long as what he said is true. Not that it is true. Thanks for making that clear.
Anyone else notice Graham just dabbled while Flint Dibbled?
He Dibbed when he should have dabbed
a man that committed to keeping his hat on can only have the most diabolical of hairlines
Usually. One exception I've seen is my boss. Didn't see him without a ballcap for the first year we worked together, and I always assumed he was bald up top. One day his hat got knocked off when he was looking under something, and he has a pristine head of hair.
@@rhysm.5915😂 the fact you remember that.
You’ve forgotten things from your childhood but you’ll remember seeing your bosses hair for the rest of your life 😂
@@rhysm.5915 well, in that period he would have had plenty of time to go to Turkey and back, and allowed his luscious new locks to grow through
@@LightHouseReveals
Probably for the best.
Just ask Dwight Yoakum.
Flint Dibble could very well be Zach Galifianakis playing a prank on us
Or rainn wilson
Stavros Halkias more like it
Rogan and Graham got cooked this episode
this killed me lol
Except he looks nothing like him😂
Flint Dibble looks like a mixture of Indiana Jones and Dwight Schrute
Flint Dibble sounds like a condition you’d get from drinking the tap water in Michigan.
obamacare
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lmaooooo
😂
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He's literally named after water erosion. Flint Dribble.
🤣🤣🤣
The guys a clown. see my comment above.
No.
Hahahaha. This brought me joy hahahaha
😂😂😂😂 👍 lol niiioce 1
take away from the whole experience is.
Multiple cases where "this looks like" by the average person is disproved to be what it looks like.
yet Joe keeps falling back onto that for literally everything
If only he knew his eyes can't explain anything, they can only observe
I actually like Hancock but I could have argued against many of his points. Rogan believes that alien guy, too. The one who worked at Area 51. I did 10 mins of research and found an old video where he totally contradicted himself. Rogan does no research
Flint told Joe to compare the pictures by looking at them. So of course that's what he was doing.
The fact that geologist themselves looked at it and claimed that it was rainfall that took place over long periods of time is the important point.
@@theundertaler5875 The major point is not whether geologists looked and made a claim. If these geologists want to propose a theory to replace the widely accepted one that currently is accepted, they need to provide hard scientific proof of this to prove it. Their opinion based on 'what it looks like' is irrelevant. I don't actually care if some geologists looked at some stones and said "it's thousands of years of erosion". How many thousands? How do you distinguish heavy rainfall over hundreds of years from light rainfall over hundreds? This is how the scientific method works for every single discipline of science. I personally think that some of the stuff Graham talks about is very interesting and additional study needs to be done, but the vast majority of his claims rely on non-scientific proofs or evidence, and as a scientist and engineer myself, it makes it very difficult to accept any of it as truth. You human eye is virtually useless when it comes to proving anything, you need to perform a study that is readily repeatable by your peers. As far as I know, Graham has not done anything of the sort and uses this type of "verification" for everything.
Many geologist have observed that it is due to lots of rainfall
Reading comments from Hancock fanboys down here is fucking brilliant
Yeah it's kind of depressing
Worse are the haters who search for negative comments to agree with.
Imagine being on the side of dumb hat guy just to be cool
@@LouBettino or you can imagine being on the side of the guy who works with science, data and facts rather than some random basing his works on olden days white supremacists and crank 'science'
If my lawyer was dresssed like Flint Dibble.....I know im going to straight to jail.
Real strong public defender vibes.
😂😂😂
This one is hilarious bro I laughed my azz off Ty
Did he wear the sleeves as gloves also?
Did he wear the sleeves as gloves also?
"Where did you get it from?"
"I got it from reading mannnn"
lol that was just such a classic Dibble
"Trust me bro"
To be fair its hard to sight all your scourses when your using more than 2.
@@crackpotjones yeah but should you not come prepared to a debate with sources?
The debate wasnt exactly about the sphinx though now was it? It seemed to me like it just kept getting broader and broader and even started to cover things other than what they were initially arguing over. @sensi7476
After this debate, im leaning more to flints side. Flint had evidence, graham had theories and speculation
Graham used the phrase “his truth” when speaking about the theories he based part of his ideas on. Which is what you say when your ideas are bullshit and you have no way to back them up. From this clip, Graham evidence is “oh well some geologists confirmed it but then didn’t want to be associated with it” which is like me saying I have a 20 inch cock but none of my girlfriends will confirm it.
Flint had scientific evidence.
You cant be serious… flint only has evidence based off of the extremely small amount of excavation that’s been done. They’ve excavated less than one 1% of the Sahara desert and the amazon, and less than 5% throughout all regions, but yet pushes a conclusive narrative based off of the very little surface that they’ve covered an excavated… and denies the possibility of any possible lost civilization within terrain that remains unexplored. And the complete lack of willingness to acknowledge that graham’s findings from his self funded explorations were very much likely to be man made was just painful to sit through. How the fuck could any objective minded person think that those underwater findings were created by nature?
I watched this video by Stefan Milo, where he calmly debunks grahams TV show and theories. And it started me down a path where I started realizing Graham has zero evidence for any of his claims.
I hate that Joe is so up grahams ass too - he barely let flint make his points without him and Graham trying to refute every statement.
The whole point in this debate is one side has a theory and the other is trying to disprove it. It's hard to prove a negative so I doubt anyone's gonna change their minds in this discussion.
@@XViTNgThat vid is such a vibe haha, just a calm conversational exposition regarding just how little Graham really has to offer to support his wacky hypothesis
I appreciate Flint for coming on and debating, lots of good points.
He’s not only walking in his dads footsteps but wearing his shirts as well
Children of fathers who made their own way always end up like this.
Yooo 😭😭😭😭😭
Who? I’m confused
Those sleeves are about 2 inches to long.
@@kylekitchens1017flint, his dress shirt isn’t tailored at all it shouldn’t be able to cuff over your hand like that
It was Flint Dibble and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazing that shit up everyday
Bruh 😂
Hanging out with Johnny Hopkins
😭😭😭😭😭😭💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins
bro stepbrothers references are my favorite !!! you don't know anybody named Johnny Hopkins!!
It’s not that I disagree with anything that flint said. It’s that he comes off as an asshole who laughs at anything he disagrees with, even if he doesn’t have a rebuttal against it
“Dude…….i leveled up from reading, man.”
~Flint Dibble
“Where did you get this information?”
“I got this information from reading mannnn”
😂😂🤦🏽♂️
that part made me laugh so hard too LOL
very annoying response - found it condescending
That's literally at the 10 min.mark. and that's the moment I hit pause and went commennt hunting.
"Do your own research "
I didn't like him until that. Now I'll give weirdo a pass, ok whatever. 😂😂
"We have Indiana Jones at home"
Indiana Jones at Home:
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best comment
LOOL!
accurate
Whether you agree with Flint Dibble or Graham Hancock or not. Both deserve respect for having this conversation. Especially Flint for coming on as a mainstream archaeologist
I agree with the one who actually has a degree and PhD and not the idiot former journalist
I disagree. Graham doesn't deserve respect for the way he went about this. He was asked for evidence and he literally says "it doesn't matter".
He claims he's being persecuted. Asked for evidence. Presents none.
@@DrSpoculus he sited many bits of evidence however he was more focused on proving flint as a snake. The date was terrible flint lied and miss represented data time and time again. Hancock spent most of his time taking about the whole racist nonsense and left out 99% of the things archeology can’t explain. Its was just lies from dibble and whining from Hancock
Jokes & insults aside, Flint Dibble is learned and brilliant, the only truly intelligent person on the show.
The fact that he decided to wear his headphones like that instead of taking hat off is hilarious
the best earmuffs are shaped like this to accommodate a sharp hat
Gotta respect the commitment.
Obvious sign of insecurity, to many guys their hats are their blankies
Dedication
You never want to expose your hat hair or lack there of
“Jaime, pull up Flint’s sleeves.”
😂🤣😂🤣😂💀
Suit fits so poorly it honestly angers me lulz 😂
That's fucking funny man!!!
😂
@@jasonfu2094 dude probably lost a load of weight and hasn't updated the wardrobe
The dating problem seems to centre around how much weathering occurred within the layers of limestone through groundwater action before the sphinx was carved and how much occurred after it was carved when both groundwater and surface rain water action weathering took place. This difference alone makes accurate dating impossible. What should be also considered is that around 7000 to 5000 years ago, when the Sahara was green to when it became desert, there would likely have been higher water tables in this area and these would have been getting lower and lower. This would have enhanced and deepened the groundwater erosion. I write this as someone who worked as an engineering geologist.
So whose side do you believe more curious? And is Joe Rogan an idiot?
@@vato4917 A scientist should be able to hold all sides and all theories in mind on a subject until they can be disproved. The advanced lost civilization can actually be considered in a different way to these two sides presented and a way which is substantiated by the observations presented by both of them. We have to take all observations into account, not ones that just fit a particular narrative.
@@roryduff2252 great answer. I'd dare say the right answer.
@vato4917 Hancock is a con artist. He's never even tried to study actual archeology in the 40 years he's been spouting his bullshit. Rogan just really wants to believe in the worst way so he ignores any actual science.
@@roryduff2252 Waayyyy to much waffle
I used to dibble a little bit in Flints in my younger dryass days.
Why did I laugh so hard at this #dadjoke
Kudos to Dibble for trouncing Hancock in such a polite and positive way.
I've listened to the whole 4.5 hours. There were some harsh moments but damn it was fun to listen. I wish Joe to bring more debates like this one. No time limit, 4.5 freaking hours!
This is THE format. The gold standard or information sharing.
Graham was really upset with this guy, I didn’t understand until it was brought up Flint was correlating Graham with very bad stuff like “white supremacy” like wtf no wonder Graham really doesn’t like this guy
Same listened to it yesterday. Great podcast.
In the teams we call it a "knowledge transfer"
@@Mugetsu2021 yeah, i kinda liked Flint until that woke shit of white supremacy came up. Still, seems like a nice guy but you can't take the woke out of a scholar.
He had some good points and did not try to answer over his expertise field.
It's a bit like Aliens, i want to believe Graham, but science has not proven anything yet.
God that hat pisses me off for no reason
Only because you can't pull off that groove of a look. Haters be jelly.
He thinks it makes him interesting. Weird people use props in place of personalities
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😂😂Hahaa! Right?
There really is no objective and verifiable data to suggest the Sphynx is 12000 years old (and that age is completely arbitrary and chosen only because it fits with another unrelated hypothesis, borderline aliens eating Taco Bell in Atlantis stuff). The erosion is not an accurate form of dating something. Its speculation at best. It DOES rain In Egypt and it has been for "thousands of years". He is also right that because of the climate and material used the weathering effects from water are increased, especially from acidic rain.
Dating the wood in the pyramids is as close as we can get to an accurate measurement of their age. Saying the wood was put there by aliens thousands of years later doesnt add anything to the conversation or offer any solutions to anything, its pure fantasy and speculation. The wood they dated came from seal off areas and between rocks, the only way to put it there would be when doing construction work on the structure itself.
The ancient Sphynx theory is an interesting one, but it is not substantiated by anything or any other evidence suggesting a civilization engaging in megalith construction lived there 12000 years ago. You are making extraordinary claims based on a few lines in sand. It is far easier and likely for those to have occurred within the known lifetime of the structure, which is also consistent with the structures around it. For example severe acid rain (caused by volcanic eruption) would cause decades or centuries worth of weathering on limestone. And there have been several large known eruptions in relative proximity. Flooding is another aspect, especially if preceded by drought. We also dont really know what the weather patterns were that long ago. The precipitation might have been significantly higher then than it is now. Again, just speculation, but likewise a viable solution to the suggested excessive weathering. Hancock himself as attributed far more significant geological weathering of rock to a singular event, and yet here it needs "thousands of years" to achieve a few lines in rock that is actually made of water soluble minerals.
As for the claim that it is "out of proportion".. Clearly ignoring the numerous other examples of sphynxes in Egypt with similar proportions. You undermine yourself there immediately because you demonstrate textbook cherry-picking data points, which does nothing but destroy any credibility you may have.
If you want to prove a theory correct start by addressing the aspects that contradict it instead of just pretending they dont exist. This is why no one worth of note actually takes this theory seriously. It could well be true, but the way they go about is basically flat earth levels of ridiculous.
And, your so-called field of expertise is what, exactly 🤨
You could write a whole book on the crap you stated above: the simple fact of the matter is, NOTHING will EVER get proven, one way or the other, until the mainstream industries get their heads out of their 💩!
I bet you ALSO believe every mainstream fact, on the Great Pyramid being dated by one dubious cartouche, found in a hidden chamber, that was only accessible once Col. Vyse, had blasted his way into it.
Hey, Dribble, has ANY extensive experimentation been done, to PROVE it is actually wind erosion! NO.
The dribble continually being spouted, by the mainstream supporter here, epitomises the above statement! WE KNOW THE SCIENCE!
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PS. I was extremely disappointed with Graham in this entire interview; letting this guy continually interrupt, then take over the various aspects of the debate, by cutting him off!
Radio carbon dating is so laughably inaccurate because it's based on untestable and unprovable assumption about the proportion of C14: all Carbon being absolutely constant through all time.
@@akulkis Amazing how they use these testing methodologies ONLY when it suits their narratives! Then dismisses them, with contemptable disdain (oft-times using vitriolic abuse), when the alternative discussion presents the data, to support their theses.
@rolandlee6898
No, it aligns PERFECTLY with the years when, on the Spring equinox, the Sun is aligned with the constellation LEO.
IT'S a religious icon.
You know what else has no objectifying evidence, a world ruled by giants, people living on Mars, Atlantis , sacred geometry, mother ayuahasca talks to people and we're all connected.
But it doesn't stop Hancock writing books pontificating these as facts and putting them in book form acting like an expert. A dumb persons idea of an intelligent person. He's a hack and before the new age routine he was a tabloid hack journalist, who wrote sensationalized articles.
I don’t know why graham Hancock is acting like what he is saying is putting his life in danger or some how gonna get him in trouble, this is literally the thing you’re famous and make your money from stop acting like its some sort of heroic journey to disagree with people who are a hell of a lot more qualified than you
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@@kenorcutt301😂 bro
Erm you not seen Indiana Jones? Them archaeologists is vicious 🤣🤣.
This is my issue, people wouldn't let Graham perform surgery on them or build them a house, because he isn't qualified. He isn't a qualified archaeologist, but it doesn't seem to matter here because he says stuff people want to believe.
Flint looks like he wants to serve mashed potatoes with his "strong" hand. 😂
Make room for the fanny comin though 😂
He even wears his cuffs oddly low on his hands like he couldn’t find a tailor….or his strong hand couldn’t get the buttons through
Funny one!
It's Turkey Time!
My germs
He can't keep the headphones on but refuses to take off his hat.
Reminds me of a certain Astrophysicist that Joe hasn't had back on in a couple years.
😂
Is he trying to hide baldness or some thing ?
@@jacket5456thank god
Well it’s obviously because the top of his head would be way too blinding.
If the sphinx enclosure is 12000 years old it make no sense that the builders of the pyramids would not have dressed the old and weathered stones at the same time as they constructed them. Who builds a brand new house and leaves an old rotting shed in the garden?
That is actually absurd, take a look about the next time you visit a city or town. You see buildings falling apart and new ones being built. It would appear we still continue to build a brand new house but leave the shed rotting in the garden to this day
I visited Egypt for a few days while on holiday in cypres when i was 14, and to see these things in person, the shit is impressive the pictures don't do justice to how big they actually are
I love how both Flint and Graham are dressed as though there going to an archaeological expedition in Egypt right after the podcast
@@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96 watch Jurassic Park
@@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96 watch Jurassic Park
@@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96what would you wear on an archeological trip to Egypt?
@@CBF98 If you're really hardcore, you gotta go with the black cape coat, like Sir Flinders Petrie.
“Everyone’s got a Flint until they get punched in the Dibble”-
Iron Mike Tyson
Correction... "Everyone'th got a Flint until they get punched in the Dibble"-
Mike Tython
What's the difference between a woman and a fridge?
Fridge doesn't fart when you pull the meat out.
Lmao
Imagine Mike Tyson say “sphinx”.
-Lisp
@@2K9s daaaaaym
Flint literally says "we dated the sphinx by radio carbon dating wood found in a pyramid." That is not evidence, its inference based on proximity.
You have no idea what “evidence” or “inference” means loleeee
When u assume...
Flint had a dad named harry dibble, too, and he was just as whackh down to the same hat and everything. Full name was Harold L. Dibble
Flint Dibble has the hand of the guy from scary movie💀
Take mah hayaaaand
Bro, I don't wanna be mean, but his wittle hands creep me out
@@Gods-bad-boy hard to imagine hands like that in the field
LOL!!! Does he stuff turkeys with that hand?
@@justicetruth5456He probably kills small animals with those small hands. 😂😂😂
I've never heard "I don't know, man" cited as a source.
At least he didn't pretend he did know. I liked the conversation.
Yea that was rough lol
I hate on Reddit when pseudo-scholars demand a source in a conversation. I've never been asked for one but whenever I read that BS it makes me think I am not posting in MLA or APA, so screw your source.
@@spacecoastmed He didn't have to find links to papers or anything, just a name or two of who said what he's saying.
@@mattmmk Yea hilarous comparitively. Graham just making up citations a few times indrectly except for an occasional reference to Jon West or Mr. Shock. He makes many references with no evidence.
You listen to this arguement and you think Dribble is a total idiot except he shows similar pictures as Robert Shock and Graham and immediate dismissed. Then he asks for independent dating... no response. Just sad and shows a huge gap in Graham's thinking. He is well spoken but that's about it.
Joe already he decided he wanted to side with Graham before it even began. I get it. His beliefs are much more fun and interesting, but its wild to me to see joe arguing with a professional when he probably got all of his knowledge on this stuff from Hancocks books and interviews.
Joe interviewed Robert Schoch, who came up with this theory, years ago
Considering the apparent professional miss represented and blatantly lied joe should have questioned him more
@@Manbearpig4456 source?
@@TheDude322 In the podcast Joe literally gets him to admit he was smearing Hancock in his article after a few minutes of him denying and trying to weasel his way out of the topic.
@@TheDude322 Hancock's main ideas are I have been to places that have been submerged and it seems like humans skillfully built these rock structures. A great deal of potential areas to be explored especially underwater have not been surveyed. And alternative opinions such as his own and the work of other archaeologists get stifled by a paradigm of connected big shots in the field. He's not making claims as fact he's just saying why is this not being considered by them AND WHY IS HE BEING SMEARED FOR IT. Dibble the whole arguments were based on his credentials and nuh uh this doesn't look manmade and MUH hunter gatherers.
Is he saying the quarries dont have signs of water erosion? Cuz they look the same to me and it would have rained in both places.
Dibble is saying we know the age of the Pyramids (it ain't 12,000 years), and we know the same quarry used to make the Pyramids also made the Sphinx. The quarry and the Sphinx both show similar wear patterns. Not even Hancock thinks the Pyramids are 12,000 years old (he says so in the end of this clip) but somehow he thinks the Sphinx is 12,000 years old? When the quarry stones for both show the same wear pattern? It doesn't make sense.
Dibble loves his dad so much, he decided to wear his suit
Yeah, thats what I was trying to say.
I tagged him on fb asking how it felt to wear his daddy's suit. The fb group removed my comment.
@@streetcrimesouffle1668 Are you bragging about the fact you have no life?
Who is his dad . Officer dibble from top cat ??
@@sparkyspinz9897why does he have no life?
He commented just like you did.
You're not clever.
Its great to see 2 men having a complete disagreement yet be civil and respectful of eachother.
I only see 2 men who agree and a Dibble.
I guess you didn't get to the part where they dissect Flint slandering Graham.
Watch the whole thing - Dibble bends the definition of respectful more than once.
It was less than civil when you watch the full episode
Hancock is a fraud anyway.
I think both perspectives are crucial to a healthy study of Archaeology honestly. Graham is not traditionally educated to the extent that Flint is, but this does not mean his 30 years of study go completely in the trash. Flint also has the right to dispute and does so well, but there is no disputing the fact that we do not know everything. Graham should be careful with the claims he makes as well because he does lack in certain areas of expertise. Open mindedness in any area of study is valuable when done correctly. Their skill sets would complement each other greatly I think. Sort of a checks and balances type of deal. Hopefully the next time they meet something more fruitful can come from it.
I think that’s the best description of what Graham Hancock is about, that open-mindedness and not being too certain of things we supposedly know. But again, Flint Dibble has more hard data and he doesn’t just theorize, but he did disregard some evidence that didn’t fit common theories.
And if Hancock didn't actively try to undermine and discredit archaeologists, he might find his ideas a little more welcome. A bit of actually verifiable evidence wouldn't go amiss either. If there evidence isn't there, it's as good as fiction. If later on the evidence is found (as with Clovis first)...then excellent. To be open minded to ideas there isn't any evidence for though...is that wisdom or just blind faith?
Even Einstein championed imagination as the foundation of scientific progress. Hancock personifies this imo and makes a good bookend to archeology in general. They would accomplish more working together rather than against.
@@Uncompletedrecall Well said
@@Uncompletedrecall Excellent, well then it's important to believe in dragons and fairies and minotaurs as well then, lets not let imagination be limited by facts...
What is so difficult to understand? When he presents actual verifiable evidence to support his argument, people will take him much more seriously. If he continues to just cherry pick information to support his agenda, whilst casually ignoring anything that doesn't support his argument, he will not be. It isn't a difficult concept.
Hancock could easily use his influence to crowdfund a dig somewhere. Why doesn't he? Why doesn't he go out and make the discoveries he is adamant are out there? He says himself that there is no evidence to support his theory. So, if he believes it so strongly, why doesn't he go out and find it?
If Hancock's imagination is so important, why doesn't he make use of it?
Archaeologists have been doing that exact thing centuries, having a theory or having their curiosity spiked by a particular location and digging there to find out. That's how Gobekli Tepe was discovered, how Richard III was found and how Tutankhamun's tomb was discovered.
Graham is not interested in the truth, but in selling books.
Hey, Joe! Take the show on the road to Egypt. That would be amazing!
If you see a guy that looks like Flint Dibble in Red Dead, you know you’re getting robbed
😂😂😂
😂😂😂.
In the clothing store in st. Denis
Nah, he looks more like a character who send you on a quest to find rare gems.😅
Flint Dibble's name is so good, you can't even find a comment about the content of the actual video
Hahahahah yeahhhhh I know! I imagine most of the people who are commenting about his name haven’t actually listened to the entire video. Just speculation
@@BrandonTheBoyWonder so true
That is the worst part about this. Nobody is going to even listen to him
@@michaeltaberner4079 I’ve got about 30mins left to watch. Definitely needs to be watched all the way through. I love Graham and have been trying to watch this with a more critical openness to what he’s saying…….BUT I’d say within the first 30mins you can tell how “main stream archeology” has no interest in any other ideas. It’s like telling someone that an orange is in the shape of a circle but they say “ohhh no no that’s too far of a stretch” I’m not sure if it’s people’s own pride or just straight ignorance because they’ve been taught by texts books and what other people have told them is true their whole life 🧐 Overall awesome interview and really appreciate everything Joe and Graham have done
@@BrandonTheBoyWonderare you joking? All he brought into the argument was quotes and speculation while Dibble brought scientific data to prove his points…you guys just want to believe bullshit so bad sometimes including Joe🤣
You can see OUR problem when watching this.
I mean as a species. We would rather be right than get to the actual bottom of things, hands down. Both sides, and Joe wants Graeme to be right too, you can tell.
Dudes got no real logical evidence to debunk Schoch's claim about rain erosion. Only suggestions. By proving the location of the quarry and pointing out that the erosion is also present there, he's only proving that erosion is consistent in all related sites.
What Flint was saying is that knowing that the same quarry stones were used in the Pyramids as those used in the Sphinx, we have a good sense of the dating. By knowing what kind of stones they are and where the stones came from, and we can make good estimations about how old that quarry is (not 12,000 years old) and it shows similar wear patterns to the Sphinx, then it is not reasonable to conclude the Sphinx is 12,000 years old either without some independent testing method to know *how* the Sphinx is claimed to be the result of 12,000 years of erosion but not the quarry.
In other words, Dibble's logic goes like this. We know how old the Pyramids are because of radiocarbon dating the wood found between the stones. We know the quarries those Pyramids stones came from. We know the same quarries were used to source the stones for the Sphinx. Everything, the quarries and the Sphinx, shows the same wear patterns. So how are the Pyramids and the quarries not 12,000 years old but the Sphinx is? It doesn't make sense.
At the end of the clip, they discuss how some pseudohistorians claim that the explanation is ALL the Pyramids are 12,000 years old - but not even Hancock thinks that because the radiocarbon dating and mountain of other archaeological evidence disproves that. He just asserts the Sphinx must be 12,000 years old but there is no way to prove that, especially in the context of the evidence of the surrounding site.
Hope this makes sense!
You should check out the work of Colin Reader or Rob Schneiker then, geologists who disagree with Schoch. In fact I don't think any geologist who has studied the sphinx, agrees with Schoch. In fact, when Hancock had a chance to list all the geologists who agreed with Schoch, he spectacularly failed.
Schneiker, as a point of interest, states the sphinx absolutely cannot be older than 3500 bc. Have you ever looked up his ideas?
So there's no logical reason to believe Schoch's claim, unless you have a prior agenda.
the hat staying on with the headphones hanging off his ears is enough for me lol
Gangsta
Hancock’s always reminding Jamie that it’s the HDMI cable, like Jamie got confused and didn’t know how to connect a laptop.
😂
Or it's cause he's a condescending pr*ck
Guys, local geology shows that 12000 years ago the sphinx area was under a raging Nile river because of the all the rain they mention, so it cant have ben built at that time.
No it doesn’t
Everything about Flint Dibble kind of annoys me, how he looks, dresses, his way of speaking, all that.
But I'll still give him his props for showing up putting up a fight against Graham and Joe beeing somewhat biased.
Flint Dibble is definitely the guy that pushes up his glasses with one finger & says “well, actualllly..”
Are you upset Graham looked like an idiot for 4 hours?
@@DemonAWregardless of what you think of the debate, Flint looked and acted like a pompous asshole. I mean, a fedora? Really? It's just way too perfect.😊
@okboi5371 attacking physical appearance because you're argument got destroyed is 3rd grade cry baby cheese
@@DemonAW not my argument. I don't see evidence GH is right. I just think Flint is an asshole
😂😂😂
Dibble what’s your source ….
Dibble: reading
That dibble dribble 😂
Dwyane dibbly
@@Dmc-kj4iv Red Dwarf reference? I thought no one remembered that show
@@sleep_sounds funniest episode,,, cool 😎 cat ended up Dwyane dibbly with his thermos 🤣👍
lol he has answers like Israelis. ( can u answer the question) as he talks in circles. Proof? I read it
Reading proven studies.
And what’s Graham’s source.. oh yeah.. his own mind 😂😂
Despite all the hilarious comments about his name being Flint Dibble, I actually think his stance throughout the podcast was correct. Graham has this preconceived notion that an advanced ancient human civilisation existed without there being any concrete evidence for it. He is trying to find evidence to prove his idea, instead of letting the evidence guide him. His argument was basically “you can’t prove there wasn’t one”.
We have evidence bc even the ancient cultures that we acknowledge, also acknowledge the civilizations and depict technologies they couldn’t have known otherwise
Poor forever child Flint.
He had such prejudiced stance.
Wouldnt contribute to malice, but more to imature infancy
Dibbs REALLY wanted to be Indiana Jones for Halloween as youth and will be damned if he's gonna give up now.
Headphones be damned, he's keeping that goofy ass hat on his head 😭
It's cringe af
The too long white sleeves are a childlike nice touch.
Indiana is a bad ass
Why wouldn't you dress as him any chance that you have
@@Ktmfan450 cant argue with that but still mad funny on that guy
I can hear Flint in the hotel, yelling at his mom as they frantically look for his Indiana Jones hat early that morning.
Most underrated comment of all time
Good shit.
😂😂
thanks for that. i wanted to make a joke along those lines, but it felt too easy 😅
@@mina_loiwhat!? 😂
This dude is the definition of a Reddit moderator
Those two men disagree, but they should remember that they share a great love of our History. Doctor's are often not the most socially skilled, which is why Flint comes off as rude, but I think patience with these types is worth the knowledge they have.
Who let the Reddit mod on JRE?
💀
😂😂😂
Perfection 😂
Omfg this literally describes his look and whole personality perfectly.
graham hankock is not a reddit mod, hes a griefter and bs artist
Hi I'm flint dibble dome, owner of the dismdale dibbledome
The peculiar purple pieman of porcupine peak?
"If you put my head on a lion's body my head would be small" is honestly the laziest excuse I've ever heard a scholar use. Saying this, he's probably not even a scholar
Flint Dibble looks like Richard Dryfus playing Flint Dibble.
That's grand 😂😂😂😂😂
"Like to prove that wouldn't you? Get your name in the National Geographic. "
Wow, that's........Accurate.
Had to look up the reference, obviously, because i didn't get it. Ohhh boy, do i get it now, and you sir, i tip my hat to for a tasteful jab.
Richard Dreyfuss playing nerdy Indiana Jones more like it
Let this be a lesson for folks with small hands. Do not have giant cuffs around your wrist if you have em, I makes them look like baby hands.
Small hand people are subjugated to a lot of prejudice - your comment is a perfect example of that
small handed people are not to be trusted.
@@georgemulford2910you got small hands too don’t you?
Guy looks like the butler from scary movie 2. Here take my strong hand 😂
@@trevorsalamander8711lol fucking tiny
If I didn't know I would've guessed his name was Flint Dibble
Hancock: -Where did you get that information?
Dibble: I got that information from reading.
Wow... Well, that settles it. Hancock dude, you're obviously wrong. Or not.
“I don’t know man… I got it from reading man”
Ah. Well that’s a solid argument 😂
Ye that was poor 😂
As opposed to saying it just looks older
Something that Graham refuses to do.
And to be so smug about it
Yeah that was incredibly sanctimonious. Made me lose almost all respect for him.
Take my strong hand-
Flint Dibble
☠️🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was looking for the bowl of mashed potatoes
“My germs…”
HAHAHAHAHA ... just wrote the same thing.. and then i see this 😂
@@pownerpwn5364 I love how everyone is seeing it 😂
Flint is an academic. He follows a scientific process. No wonder Graham was always defensive he knew Flint would do his job. Feelings and personal truths don’t matter in the face of a systematic approach.
Joe is so incredibly biased and sides with Graham on everything. He interrupts, and lets Graham interrupt constantly.
I wish Joe would just moderate instead of teaming up with Graham on these podcasts.
When you have a piece of food in the corner of your mouth-that’s a Flint Dibble.
Flint dibble looks like a lawyer with a 13% conviction rate
If you hire him you getting life, and you didn’t even do a crime
Jack Kelly. Lawyer.
@@lglov3it's the small hands
so, he's not putting innocent people behind bars...? i can get behind that. He sounds like a good dude.
…you realize 13% for a lawyer is REALLY good, right? Now, for a prosecutor it would be bad, but a lawyer? I’d take that guy.
I have come back a second time to watch this video hoping mr dibbles shirt sleeves would have been lifted up like a normal guy.
Flint rarely let's anybody finish a sentence, and just continues his own line of thought, disregarding whatever was just said.
Im all for hearing both sides of the argument but Mr Dibble laughing at he consideration that it could be water erosion and not even entertaining the other theories is just disingenuous . He assumes he knows more than both of them but speaking with authority on something you also aren’t 100% sure about is both rude and disrespectful to anyone who doesn’t agree with him.
This exactly the point that Graham and Robert Schoch talk about. The authority and arrogance these people come off with is aggressive and dismissive to conversation.
you just know he got the 💉
He laughed so many times through this, I just turned it off because this is still not the guy to actually debate Graham. Just another guy gliding through life off his dads achievements that wears a ridiculous hat.
He's a tool
Im actually really glad Dibble came on the show. His hate and laugh are unbearable but he is asking important questions that Graham and co can now work on refuting. Listening to parts of the interview were paaainful, but this is the first step towards a real debate and the exchange of information instead of two separate sides nitpicking about the specifics of who said what.
All I kept thinking about was “take my strong hand”
“My germs “ face ahh😂😂😂
I’m crying bruh 💀
Ooooff!
This got me 😂
😂😂😂😂😂I’m glad others are seeing it
You know Flint thought he looked so cool in that hat because he loves Indiana Jones
Bots doing damage control i see
And it covered the bald spot
Did Flint intentionally wear clothes too large for him. He reminds me of a “little Rascal “ pretending to be a grown man.
"My dad was an archaeologist, see this is his shirt."- Flint Dribble
Flint Dibble vs Younger Dryass, a duel of century
Flint absolutely wiped the floor with Hancock.
@@microfarming8583yes and he did it in a respectable manner. I think it’s still important people like Graham exist, it should just be more clear we have a lot of evidence that says otherwise.
@@colino5056 I totally agree! I have always lived Hancock podcasts and will continue to do so. But he was shown to be on very shaky ground by Dibble.
Lmao
"I don't know man, I don't read hieroglyphs... I got that information from reading man". Sounds about right to me.
Graham can’t read hieroglyphs either you do realise that?
@@flaigus can that make point invalid
@@puneetsharma1437 what is the point being made?
@@flaigus yeah but he doesn't claim to "know" but rather wants to find out why and how.
@@Anfa18 as does Flint, he doesn’t read hieroglyphs because they have been studied, deciphered, translated and printed by professionals in THAT field which he has read.
I don’t read German but I’am able to read Das Boot.
What’s hard to understand?
I dont think people who didnt seriously work in academia can empathize with what he said. I had well, well over 100 references in my dissertation. I could not, gun to my head, recall every single one even on the night I finished writing or the day I defended it to my committee, at the height of how much of that I had in my active memory.
There are many things which 'i know' when thinking or explaining some concept or specific hypothesis/analysis to someone, but aside from maybe several papers which are my favorites or stood out for one reason or other on a given issue, I cant just rattle off every source for a given bit of knowledge. But I'm fairly, if not completely sure the literature exists.
So when asked about something while teaching in the field (geology) or casually, I will often say 'its in the literature'.
By the same token, if I were having a convo on a podcast, I'm not going to come with hundreds of sources printed out/in a database and pause the whole conversation to look up a specific reference that nobody is going to look at, and 99% of the audience cant read for understanding
@@someguy2016 The problem in this interaction is that even if he could remember his sources, he was asked to cite a source for something which was off the cuff and not relevant to the topic. The odds of remembering that specific source are close to nil in the moment.
@@someguy2016 It's absolutely not the same to "have sources" than to say "it's in the literature", you can just go and easily find them, stop being so lazy. Are Randall's sources peer reviewed? If not, no one serious cares.
Unfortunately, radiocarbon dating is not "definitive"
Actually the big issue is, when you are recovering material to be dated. And that area for millennia has been reconstructed and repaired, the date you will get is the more recent work dates. The problem is if you don't dig deeper or do a more comprehensive investigation, those are the dates you are stuck with.... And stuck by your own doing.
A prime example is the Clovis first, view... Thank goodness there were those few, that dared to dig deeper and blow that paradigm out of the water.
Flint got a harmonica under that hat
I have had many 'Flints' inhabit my couch over the years. This is correct.
He was losing clumps of hair because of chemotherapy.
@@LooksLike-om4dfand that's terrible. The hat is actually rad if you can pull it off and he actually does. I actually don't have a horse in this race. They both raise interesting points. To make it fair I think Graham, as much as im interested in his theories, are lacking in places and he always seems to be the first one to show hostility.
@@FetusX1 he makes money making stuff up.