Astonishing Results! More Ancient Egyptian Granite Vases Analyzed! More STL's available.
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Ancient precision confirmed! The last few months has been a busy time for the vase scan team. Led by Adam, Alex and Nick, and advised by Chris Dunn, the team gathered in a precision lab in Danville IL to do a hands-on metrology inspection of several vases. Not only that, but many more of the remarkable ancient, hard stone vases that come from pre-dynastic and early dynastic ancient Egypt have been scanned via structured light and CT-Xray, and the results are frankly astonishing.
Not only has the incredible precision results of the original vase been confirmed in other artifacts, geometric and mathematical analysis has shown shared design principles between multiple vases - the same radial traversal function, the same fixed mathematical ratio between curvatures, and the same depth of elegance in the extensive use of pi and phi.
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#egypt #precision #mystery
0:00 Introduction
6:32 Background, previous work
8:59 More vases scanned
10:38 Danville hands-on inspections
13:52 Precision in context
18:58 Serapeum comments
21:48 Inspection methodology
27:35 OG Vase results
32:16 Spinner Vase geometry
40:01 OG Vase Base Unit
44:09 Spinner Vase Precision results
48:23 Ultra-thin vase
56:28 Other vases, hand made examples
59:17 Marble control vase, provenance
1:04:08 Other work, conclusion 
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A small correction from Adam on the provenance of his vase. It was exported from Egypt in the 1930s. It came from the collection of Stanislav Kovar. He was a Czech diplomat, born in Prague in 1889. At that point, it was part of the Austro Hungarian empire. He brought vases out of Egypt in the 1930s.
Czechoslovakia was formed in 1918, but the word Czech is older. from Google:
The words "Czechian", "Czechish", "Czechic" and later "Czech" (using antiquated Czech spelling) have appeared in English-language texts since the 17th century. During the 19th-century national revival, the word "Czech" was also used to distinguish between the Czech- and German-speaking peoples living in the country.
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This really is jaw dropping to watch so for you being there is must've been spine tingling...
Nearly perfect very good that's really not good unbelievable older better and like they had machines we can't or haven't found maybe they did come from Atlantis or not from this earth or we are missing something to perfect
Did they have lasers maybe they understood a lot or not from earth
Only possible with artificial intelligence. Ie computer or something that controls a machine with a harder than stone bit like diamond or perhaps a tech we haven’t worked out that softens stone for molding.
@@kentwalker1969softening has occurred to me regarding the large objects. But soft could also allow for more error.
I am a Production Machinist of 35 years. Watching the Spinner Vase spinning away LITERALLY brought tears. A short list of causal emotions: wonder, amazement, incredulity, profound loss (for that civilisation and knowledge), anger (at the nay sayers and sceptics), and gratitude to Ben and all these gentlemen investing their time and effort to bring this stupendous data to light.
you're a dipstick if you're buying what the're sellin`
@@kozmickopraseIt’s what’s true. Not what they are selling. How can you not question the technology and mystery?
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Very well said!!
Cheers
@@kozmickopraseyou’re a dipstick for buying the “official” explanation
I've been told it's pseudo science - but won't dignify such nonsense with a retort. Professionals: keep the research Honest. At least Ben & co are not deterred - the Truth will prevail.
This is mind-blowing. I am a machinist in a cnc shop making precision components for the auto industry. People need to realize how incredible this is. Having the handles built in adds levels of difficulties to the manufacturing processes that just don't make sense. The concentricity readings they show rival what we do, using a harder material in granite. If these were made with hand tools - it was done by the hands of God. This is 100% evidence of ancient high technology. People can tell themselves whatever they want but the facts are carved in stone. Thanks for the video. I'm going to share this with all my shop buddies!
Those handles really do throw everything out the window. That's increasing the complexity of the process by several orders of magnitude, something 99% of the world just doesn't really understand because they aren't builders themselves.
Yeah brother I operate 4 different lathes at work, some with their own issues like my haas chuck tapers parts hardcore and whatnot. These videos showing the precision, perpendicularly, and concentricity of the artifacts are kinda freaking me out
scientists against myth has created a granite vase using old technology, those vase are not also precise if you look at them closely specially on the level of the handles
@@JL-tm3rcyeah, and it is nothing like the real vases, but instead just what you would expect from primitive tools. That guy is a joke.
@@JL-tm3rcl take it you've measured these artifacts yourself there mate?
I come from a family of opal & gem cutters, just the finish on the vases here is high quality.
What wd take weeks in a tumbling machine using various carborundum powders & water surely took an eternity with the tools we're told these people had.
Just the tolerances here are amazing (for 3500BC) if they are from that period...& why did the Egyptians leave shoddy earthenware pottery copies right next to them?
Then there's the mathematics & sacred geometry... which we're told were invented by the Greeks.
Turning granite or dolerite on a lathe is a task in itself...but adding the handles requires an entirely different matter...but they're wonky!
Problem solved!!
I started studying Geology at eight years old ,I am now 63. I was a union Metrologist for 11years.chief inspector. You are correct on all counts. I have waited so long for someone to cover this Thank You so much.
What's really intriguing about these vases is how the lugs (handles) were integrated seamlessly onto the main bodies- Probably would be difficult even today.
My friend who is a mathematician watched this and noticed something special in your table of error. "The smallest error is at pi/phi ratio, and it is amazing... For me, it is a real challenge to imagine that the occurrence of two fundamental mathematical constants is just a quirk of fate..."
I'm a 10 year manufacturing engineer for a CNC medical manufacturing company. This is single handedly the greatest discovery of ancient history in our lifetimes. I am so proud of you and your team Ben! Keep up the great work!
an accurate vase? Greatest discovery? How is that?
@@carpo719 You are a joke all by yourself!
@@carpo719It's like finding prehistoric boot prints on the moon.
I farm and don't understand any of this
I completely agree
Archaeologists are not engineers, architects, or geologists. The archaeological community should be thanking you and others for your hard work and detailed evidence supported analysis.
They dont like the narrative being challenged
This is the problem! Its obvious for anyone who's manufactured (or tried..) to make parts as accurate as these, with machine tools, that these were not made by hand, its just impossible.
It's baffling the archaeological community can keep burying their heads in the sand in the face of blatantly obvious facts. However, digging in the sand is something they are qualified for 🫢
This is exactly why any excavation in Egypt is overseen & carefully monitored... or outright denied.
Can't go having 100yrs + of 'experts' narrative disrupted.
No, the archaelogical community SHOULD immediately turn to experts in their specific field when they encounter anything that might be more than it seems, like some extremely well made granite vases. OF COURSE it should be their first imperative to learn everything possible about the artifacts they've found by tapping all sources of relevant knowledge.
At first glance of many very old artifacts a natural first reaction is 'huh, that looks damn symmetrical. I wonder how symmetrical it is?' The fact that all those egyptologist experts never went down that alley is VERY hard to grasp for me.
I spoke with a client of mine today. He’s a lifelong stone artist, sculptor etc. he says he rarely if ever uses power tools, carving everything by hand. I showed him the clip with the flashlight and translucent sidewall and he was stunned!
He literally said it’s impossible, plus you would probably need to do it underwater or have a high volume of water to cool, lubricate and flush the dregs away.
I asked him if money was no issue how much would it cost me to pay him to make me one. He said that it would take the rest of his life to learn how to just be ok, not even close to the level of precision of the sloppiest example.
I'm not shure if you can use some hard stuff like Diamant dust but inbeded in Wich Material to grind Stone like modern tools.
Free Hand?
Maybe a Stencil you rest your Hand on or the tool.
Put the Vase then in plaster and Drill the inside.
With Modern tools it may possible
But the effort with this precision is mind boggling.
The agresiv Material that cuts the stone needs to bedet in some rubbery Material to absorb vibration.
Funny because there’s a RUclips video of how to make one with tools available at the time. It only took that guy a couple of days to make some😅
@@apriljoy1094 A link? A Title? Author? Be useful.
Look for "make granite vaes" on RUclips will bring up some.
@@apriljoy1094 I highly doubt that he made it with the same precision but I would gladly be proved wrong. A link maybe?
I am a tool and die maker. That means I work with ultra precision processes to construct ultra precision components and assemblies. I watch the process of inspecting this vase and knowing what it takes to hold those tolerances in a controlled environment I am to say the least impressed. There are so many things in this world that simply to not add up to the sum of their parts. Maybe in my lifetime the entities that are responsible for these will reveal themselves. Possibly coaxing us out of the test tube? I am a person that chooses not to go through my life with blinders on and dutifully listening to the powers that be to simply not look at the obvious. This is a great post.
Absolutely incredible! You've got 3 dynamic processes here to create these things...1 - Some very advanced mathematical skills resulting in jaw-dropping precision. 2 - An advanced understanding of the material utilized in these pieces. 3 - A palette of tools to cut extremely hard material, yet material that is comprised of varying minerals with varying hardness. You "goof" on any of this, and you produce an 'inferior' product. The fact that whoever made these things had all of the above capabilities is leaving my jaw on the floor. I am seriously at a loss for words.
And Ben, you do an absolutely bang-up job of summarizing what can be difficult-to-understand material, especially the mathematics behind it. Just WOW.
Or it was made with soft material and formed. Why can't you get it? It is so spectacular to have all 3 and not fuck up along the way! Too spectacular. Just turn the coin over and look at the other side and turn it back if you're heart flutters🧐🧐🧐
@@psmart4948You mean like clay?😂 This is granite. Explain how they made granite soft and then hard as granite again, then how they made it so precise. Good luck.
They did it with wet sand, a copper spoon and some string. Very easy.
They just pounded out the vases with dolarite pounding stones and shaped the delicate handles 😂
@@psmart4948I am doubting the veracity of this guy's choice of names.
@@BurningDownUrHousethat poor fella may be freebasing fish paralyzer again. you know…soft material, like granite?
another soft material like brain matter, may not be found where it should with this poor fella…we may find wet concrete with a silly putty swirl. wth?
It still amazes me when people really dont realize how amazing this is please continue this work
Yes agree ❤
No one cares
@@justinsmith4562 you really clicked on the video and then scrolled through and read the comments just to say no one cares. alright bud.. your a clown in its true form. you obviously care if you felt the need to leave a comment
@@justinsmith4562 seems like 77 people and the channel does meat face
@@justinsmith4562 foh troll
I have years of experience in metrology and GDT in the modern manufacturing sector. Holding tolerances of plus or minus as little as 12 microns on the manufacturing line. This level of precision is on par with the best equipment we have for working in metals today. I can't imagine trying to do it in a material as hard and brittle as granite. Planar grinding for flatness, sure, no problem. But compound angular relationships and radii.... just blows my mind.
What's planar grinding?
Rubbing something on a flat surface with abrasive to make a flat face
@@Pegases0 oh, *planar* grinding... right, right. Thanks.
I have a lot of respect for your technical knowledge, just from the little you said here. I worked in lots of metals, designing exotic stuff, some in an R&D environment. Mostly in doing custom things. My tolerances only went down to +.0005/-.0000". A bit short of micron levels. These blow my mind, too.
Have you gotten into any pf the material removal amounts that Chris sometimes talks about? Unbelievable amounts. How? I have no idea. These thin wall vessels and the schist disk in the Egyptian Museum are all literally unbelievable. Not possible - but there they are.
@@stevegarcia3731 were you talking ti me? I also speak England good.
One man with a RUclips has literally changed the world.
Ben , I once was considered a Advanced R&D Technical engineer - I helped design and create processes for the Bunker Buster - both DU and other heavy metals.
I setup and programmed CNC - NC - PLC -standard machines and robotics , since 83. You are on to something here , but the way you are explaining it , requires someone to have a machining background to understand just how difficult ( if not impossible ),this would be without a lathe or mill. You did not even show either of these machines and how they machine an object. So many ways you could bring this precision to everyone in a way that could not be misunderstood or denied. On these vases , only 2 measurements need to be pointed out in my humble opinion , the ID and OD total runout and what that actually means , Total wall thickness variation and what that means. Then demonstrate how it Cannot be done without turning the Vase on a lathe or mill, possible centerless grinder. Demonstrate how one has to chuck ( hold ), the piece and turn the OD and ID without un-chucking it, that's the receipts , the proof , the top and bottom surfaces have to be parallel if its cut while the initial chucking is done, a cut off tool will parallel the bottom, it cannot be done without turning and cutting while turning. the math and all the Brilliant talking points and verbiage , turns to word salad .If this were done , it would be clear from that point for the least technical of people and the expert just the same. This is something I would very much like to see done ( I would guess 99% of your viewers would as well ), take one vase , recreate it with a piece of aluminum or some piece of stock, wood would work ( it should start as a rough piece, square , out of round , rigid ), its the process that needs shown. Not the math or scans , for they will make no sense until one understands what it takes to create the object. Thanks for the video Sir
I'm seconding this!!
We need a visual on what this process would look like, especially in regard to how precision is affected by runout.
I second this, too, in fact I can't even visualize the test you're proposing but I got the gist of it and I can understand it will be immensely useful.
Agreed, in which to the basis simply couldn't manage to survive. Its quite possible for the last few to have been before the same thing 😊
thanks for explanation
The main point in the vase analysis Ben gets across very well. There are people from all walks of life here, professional machinists or not, who express the exact same bewilderment of how these artifacts came to be, and how they could possibly made in the time periods framed, or with modern tools available. For a product with dimensional deviations that are only theoretical to most people.
Using logic and discernment, these vases weren't made by people from this earth, or with any tools familiar to mankind then or now. I'm not a machinist, but a healthcare professional with hobby interests in archaeology, history, and semi-precise metal work. While my interest in the 'perfection' of such skills into a final product appealing to the naked eye, is a universal concept, their inherent beauty is recognized as much or more by the eye, then it is in a paper calculation.
I am a mechnical engineer and design and build race engines where tolerances are down to +/- 0.0005 inch in critical bearing dimensions with high quality and consistent steels and this is the best achievable and measurable with the best avaliable equipment outside a measurement calibration lab. To achieve similar tolerances in granite even today is outside current technology, achieving it 100 years ago impossible, achieving it 5000 years ago incredible
I am shaken to my core. This video changes the world. I'm not a machinist but I've been building and cutting with stone for 20 years. Stone tolerances in construction usually don't go past the 1/16" range because it's prohibitively difficult to get that precise with stone. Inclusions and different densities mean cutting and chiseling is always a bit of a guessing game. This is so far beyond what is possible with hand tools or even mechanical lathes it is astounding. Maintaining a 2/1000" variance in the thickness of the granite in an irregular shaped object is only possible today with computer control. This might be the most profound ancient discovery of the century. Bravo!
"but we can polish mirrors by hand to a few microns" --naysayers, probably.
more over the top nonsense.
@@wout123100 why are these vessels so precise?
Doesn't the meer fact that these artifacts have to be studied in such a manmer that they have to be so precise in the instruments used speak volumes itself ?
A very pertinent point. Thumbs up.
As a toolmaker this is fascinating. Hardened metals can be a pain to machine, i can only imagine machining granite with differing hardness and density.
You'd certainly earn your paycheck trying to make a vase like those! I'm still trying to figure out the order of operations for the "schist disk" they found in Egypt. Stone that soft, yet shaped to such a complex design..... it's just mind-boggling. I can't think of a single tool that'd get under the lobes without running into the center hub or hit the compound curve of the body a dozen times and shatter everything. How they could have done it is one of those great mysteries, and I'd love to see it go to the metrology department for some measuring!
they called a machineist @@threeriversforge1997
@@threeriversforge1997They used pounding stones 😂
@@extremechimpout Exactly! Pounding stones and a lot of patience. It's really that simple.
@@extremechimpoutobviously done with copper chisels 😂
Keep going, this is the most important analysis of the ancient world in the last 100 years, not only because of what it may mean, but because it is objectively evidence based, open sourced and transparent. Well done to the whole team so far.
You should really watch Anthony Peratt discussing his petroglyph surveys. To me it's actually more important than this. This is astonishing, no question. Peratt's work just flips the world upside-down and explains every archetype.
Precision Engineering 24 Years these are not hand made Impossible they have to of been machine made I'm speechless Thank you for showing us I'm just speechless
i was a machinist for a long time. the runout on those things are incredible. mind blown
Wow! As a retired toolmaker I'm just very grateful my Gaffer never dropped a drawing of one of these on my bench, followed with the precious words "We need twelve of these by Friday. " 😮
Surely the product of a lost technology.
And to the "experts" that claim to "know" how they were made the challenge should be. "Fine, now make one."
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 scientistsagianstmyths channel makes these. Not really to impressive tbh.
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 Olga Vdovina she has made a small collection of 'impossible machine precise' early dynastic vases from simple bone tools and stone of the same that she is shaping, granite vs granite, diorite vs diorite and patience...
the videos are 'DIORITE VASE. Let's make an impossible artifact real!' and 'Diorite vase | Primitive tools | Unique experiment continues' and 'Reconstruction of the Ancient Egypt Stone Vase' and 'Mysterious Ancient Artifact - DIY. Alternate history fans, please look away' she has made multiple early dynastic replicas using nothing but bone, granite and abrassives, her name is Olga Vdovina, her work is great, she now has a small collection of handmade early egyptian replicas. You guys didn't even search 'how to make a diorite vase' you couldn't even be bothered to do that level of research, if you did you would have found her work, just doing that would have brought you her work which exposes the laziness and lack of function in the 'these could never be made from simple hand tools' crowd just fucking explodes that crowds narrative like a piece of flint...
potentially a sacred skill mastered over a lifetime, impossible to just 'make one'. i think the question is, is this pre younger dryas or just typical good craftsmanship from a known period in Egypt with techniques we just don't know? @@mpetersen6
As a Precision machinist by trade, the 4 dial indicators on the vase moving only a couple thousandth of a inch is impressive. That is precise even when making someone on a cnc lathe.
Precision machinist means nothing, if you had said toolmaker ,or jig borer then people might take you seriously
@@tonyhill8300 that's a foolish thing to say. You clearly don't know much about the trade.
@@tonyhill8300 Really, you just have to come here to berate people? What a loser!
@@tonyhill8300 Bow down Tony, I am all 3 and a millwright and outside machinist.
I am too all 5 of those as well as a certified welder, licensed cabinetmaker and excavator operator. I also raise geese to relax. But Egypt has me stumped.@@rlbadger1698
One can only conlude, that for whoever created these pieces such precision was easily obtainable. It certainly is not the product of handcrafting. Would dearly love to see a modern version created, one that matches the precision demonstrated in this video (that in itself would be a video series worth watching). Thank you for a great presentation, never had goosebumps from watching a video before this.
"One can only conlude, that for whoever created these pieces such precision was easily obtainable." This is a quite astute and important observation. We might be able to duplicate one of these artifacts today, maybe, but at prohibitive expense. Over 40,000 or these (unknown of course how many exhibit this level of precision, or how many thousands more equal to these remain buried) have been found, so it wasn't prohibitively expensive or difficult at the time. One could also say that the methods used to create the ancient megalithic structures and statues were easy as well, not only regarding precision but dealing their incredible size. For whoever or whatever made all of these things before recorded history, the process must have been relatively easy and likely rapid as opposed to centuries of handwork by thousands of human hands. "They" did it that way because they had the means to do so as easily as we would make an automotive wheel bearing or assemble a metal building. Who they were, wouldn't we all love to know?
@@geargnasher9822 --- Agreed, the expense to achieve these tolerances would make any of these worth $500,000 US. Maybe ten times that.
And the bottom line is that WE CANNOT REPLICATE THESE - NOT YET.
These artifacts were probably made with the intention of exemplifying the high level knowledge and craftsmanship the makers possessed. To carve something masterful into granite is to make a declaration of mastery to generations for as long as granite will hold
This has to be the most important archeological work being done right now and as important as anything ever done so far.
congratulations and Thank You!
Well they still work on Göbekli Tepe ... but very important discovery again pointing to lost civilization
This has nothing to do with archaeology. You can't do archaeology on things you can buy in museum gift shops.
Well, I hope there are a bunch of corrupt idiotic pseudo-archeologists using botfarms to write these comments. And when I say pseudo I mean those people that without any evidence tryna disprove cold hard facts and scientifically gathered data. I really hope it’s just stupid archeologists trolling to save their books from becoming completely obsolete which they are already when viewed objectively. I hope so, bc the other option would depress me even more, lots of people actually being this dumb.
Like yeah I know every second American can’t comprehend sentences above elementary school levels, but to read their comments with your own eyes is just sad
@@SteelDrivingyou’re doing a good job at making yourself look dumb AF😂😂😂😂
@@SteelDriving please show us the examples of precision vases in gift shops, lol
The science of measurement and engineering is fascinating, and often totally misunderstood. My grandfather was a precision engineer in the automotive industry, I went into scientific research and worked using SEM to investigate metal microbe interfaces. I am used to thinking in terms of um or nm, but it is rare in the archaological fields. The new discpline being brought into the whole area of the science of measurement in archaeology is a huge step foward - this team has started a new chapter.
Been following your site and others for many years. I began my carrer in 1966 as a machinist and progressed over the years to tool and die maker, tool designer, machine designer, structural designer. I worked on oil field machinery, machine design, aerospace, medical, the f-22 the space station you name it. Mostly involved in precision machining at extreme levels. I think most people cannot comprehend the precision you are measuring here. The concentricity of the inner and outer surfaces is an amazing feature. This would require either performing both operations in the same setup or precision setup requiring instruments such as dial indicators. Machining this material at these thicknesses cannot be done with hard tools like lathe bits. The force required is too high. This would require some sort of abrassive tool or some other process I cant imagine. Like with other stone work such as the big boxes, try to get someone today to make one of these with any tools or machine. I believe the civilization that created these things and the rest had a sort of religious interest in geometry. These things are all very similar meaning they had a representation of some basic truth to an entire culture. This likely involved the geometric ratios they present. Ither wise why do it repeatedly.
A very impressive resume. Thumbs up. I have been to Giza (3 months, 2 trips), long before I ever ran across Chris Dunn's work. I already worked in engineering, but did not appreciate all that I was seeing. Now I know more, and much of it is still way over my head. But your comments on the precision are understood. I did lots of projects with high-tolerances, but envy you the exposure to fighters and NASA work. These pieces - like much at megalithic sites - were clearly done by an earlier technical culture. Assertions of them being done by earlier iterations of our present wave of development (stone age or savages) are insults to humanity and the real world. Egyptologists and arkies live in a projected fantasy world that has almost no connection to capable humans of the past. Archaeology is the science that isn't a science; they still think like they did 250 years ago. They are stuck in their silliness.
I think the encoded geometry is also a message. It's written in a universal mathematical language, as opposed to a base system. The great megalithic sites were intentionally designed to be extremely resistant to seismic forces, so they would last far into the future, as a test for future civilizations to decipher and replicate the mathematics and engineering needed to build them. No matter how far humanity descends from famine, war, disease, and how many times we have to start over, the Pyramids will still stand as a reminder of our potential. These vases must be similar. They were so important to the early Egyptians, they handed them down for nearly 1000 years until most of them were stored away in a stash at Saqqara.
As a Sandwich Technician at the local Subway for 15 years, this is truly mind blowing. Great video.
I worked in the tool and die industry for several years building 90ish ton complex machines with thousands of parts where our tolerances on any given part were measured in tenths of thousandths. For the uninitiated, that's 0.0001" which is many many many times thinner than 1 average human hair.
I have installed, programmed, and run more types of precision machines than most people. Lathes, mills, Blanchard grinders, wire EDM, surface grinders, 3 axis machines, 5 axis machines, and 7 axis robotic arm machines that will blow your mind.
Anyone who thinks these vases were made with sticks and sand is a lunatic.
God bless the rich dude who bought them and let you scan them
Elon spent 44 BILLION dollars on Twitter instead of solving this mystery. People should realize he's not as smart as everyone thinks he is.
As a building surveyor in the UK, I am stunned at the vernacular construction from thousands of years ago and the precision of the buildings/monuments. I can see the similarities in these jars and it's mind blowing that historians say these were made with primitive tools.
Ben, I hope you are touring in the UK in the near future
You can’t imagine how and so you think it’s impossible. You simply just underestimate people. Ancient Egyptians were skilled enough to make vases. Simple as that.
@@AIenSmithee the only people calling these things forgeries are you guys.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle there is proof they are forgeries…in fact there is no proof of anything. No one knows where they came from.
@@AIenSmithee exactly, so cool it on the accusations of "forgery"
@@AustinKoleCarlisle when did i call it a forgery?
This is beyond even what's required in tolerances in the field of aviation. I worked in aviation for 8 years and rarely had tolerances beyond this precision.
I was a manufacturing engineer for 15 years and these results are amazing in that these vases made of stone, which makes the idea of them being a hoax completely impossible. The technology, methods, and means to create these vases is unknown and undiscovered currently. Who ever made these vases, it was probably easy for them because there would be no need for such precision. So the precision was already integrated into the technology or process used to make them.
You say there was no need for such precision and that made me think these were made for fun. This is not the sweat and toil of an uneducated stone worker from 5,000 years ago, buteven more amazing, the precision of the boxes in situ was spine chilling. Machining is the obvious answer
Or maybe there WAS a need for such precision! Who knows? Has anyone speculated as to the purpose of these vessels? Were they just vases for holding flowers?
@@peterdebaets4590 Good point. Next question to ask: do they have a sound frequency when tapped in a certain manner? Do they sing like Tibetan Bowls?
@@SaurierDNA As Nikola Tesla said, "if you want to understand the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration".
@@AustinKoleCarlisle I think that a good statement and that is how far we can state as part of a technology in the production of these vases.... Most probably "energy, frequency and vibration" was used in the production of the massive and equal very precise sarcophagi in the Serapeum of Saqqara. These have mostly square and rectangular shapes while the vases have mostly circular, elliptical etc. shapes.. So with "energy, frequency and vibration " these people could manufacture very different kind of objects, with very different mathematical principles.
Incredible accuracy. I'm a retired CNC programmer, the precision of these 'jars' is throwing up so many questions. Why was such precision needed if these were just every day vessels? Now the team has discovered the possible base formula, I wonder if measuring other artifacts/pyramid dimensions etc show the same ratio? Great work indeed.
I don't think the precision was necessary but rather that's just how accurate their machines were. If that makes sense. As an example A CNC machine always makes things as accurate as it does because that's how it was designed.
@@jimmywranglesThe civilisation must have been advanced if this precision was an accidental effect of having tools that were over specified for the task. "This was made on the worst machine we could find!"
no thats false. the shape and material are needed for an advanced bioelectric function. I bet if you tried to grow a seed inside the vase, it would grow significantly faster and bigger and be more beautiful than a seed grown in a regular vase, cause thats its function.
it would have a healing and growth or order and health promoting effect on a subatomic level on anything put inside, so they likely put food or anything bioactive inside
@@jimmywranglesI agree. It was probably just that, accurate tooling .
@@sshreddderr9409 yeah and on the full moon a magic beanstalk starts growing out of it. Did you "thumbs up" your own comment?
“Butt- flap wearin’ dudes rubbing on them with sand and rocks” was easily my favorite line haha
Yes, it shows some ignorance against Egypt culture and the tools they had.
I'm a junior machinist at an automotive industry company in the US. I also have an aircraft mechanic license, and I'm a 3rd year engineering student. This truly is equivalent to finding a computer chip in an ancient tomb or finding an engine in a cave. The level of precision these vases achieved is difficult to replicate with modern machinery and metrology. How these were designed, manufactured, and subsequently verified for accuracy and precision, 5,000 years ago is well beyond my tiny brain.
Great analogy. It is like finding a computer chip in a tomb.
I think a psychological analysis needs to be done to the brains of archaeologists who can't see this. We already know they have severe damage to their frontal cortex as their thinking functions seem to be non operational.
It's interesting how many machinists are in his comments. Way outside typical career %.
Exactly! Metrology is something they haven't really talked about, it's basically impossible to make something this precise without something to measure it. They didn't have micrometers or test gauges back then, so they blindly were able to make precise vases?? It's a crazy assertion to make really.
@@m4rvinmartian Probably because machinists see calipers, OD mics, and test indicators, and they just click lol.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049also, I would bet that people see these videos, and get intrigued. They then probably show the video to their machinist associates, who know more about the topic.
As a Precision Machine Parts Inspector working in Aerospace for over 30-years, I am Impressed! Please keep up the wonderful work!
Precision manufacturing in the hardest granite and diorite can be done with simple bone, wood and stone, no need for even copper, there is a video by a Russian woman who remakes these exact style and material vases, with primitive methods and she kinda exposes this whole channel as superficial and lazy, took her a few months to make her very own primitive vase collection from granite and diorite with simple tools and patience while you have these guys who studied them for years and have not made a single one and think it is impossible in that time she has made a small collection of 'impossible machine precise' vases from simple bone tools.
the videos are 'DIORITE VASE. Let's make an impossible artifact real!' and 'Diorite vase | Primitive tools | Unique experiment continues' and 'Reconstruction of the Ancient Egypt Stone Vase' her name is Olga Vdovina, her work is great.
oh another cheeky video by her is titled 'Mysterious Ancient Artifact - DIY. Alternate history fans, please look away' where she makes a bird shaped vase out of granite using nothing but wood and bone.... just totally exposing this crowd, love her.
@greatbingus9137 I looked into your claim where you say you found someone that exposes this whole channel. The sculptor you found does do beautiful work. It is also abundantly clean that her work is nothing close to "precision manufacturing" as you put it. Thanks for sharing her work though.
@@greatbingus if her work isn't a true reproduction (i.e. to the same precision tolerances) then it can't be claimed as a debunk. you realize that right? in fact, you actually prove Ben's point by showing that it is extremely difficult to work this material by hand to a somewhat precise state, let alone machine-level tolerances, which she failed to do in every facet.
she proved it is very possible to work granite and diorite with simple hand tools, no machinery or metal needed you guys all kinda miss this point, precision yeah yeah precision is the impossible part now? Well you just gave her another goal to reach@@levirugheimer3131
This was brilliant !! Getting to see the precision granite workbench, the bearing tolerance runout and then the gauges as the vases are turned. These visuals really helped understand a lot of the numbers and stats from the scan report. All i can say is 😮🤯🤯 !!
Arent those rose granite ones just AMAZING...
They sure are
I take it you never been to a machine shop before. I knew along time ago these things were made of the sane material that we use for measuring surface on a granite slap cut with a surface grinder.
We are only scratching the surface of how much we can really learn from these ancient artifacts. Mainstream Historians thought there's nothing else we could learn but these professional Engineers are proving them so wrong. There's so much more secrets to be uncovered about our true past. My sincere salute to Uncharted X and the Vase scan team! Keep up the good work!!! 👍👍👍
@@joeyduncan5804 Congrats
I know some other fascinating discussion of discovery but no use telling you sarcastic stigmas
just Astounding. Translucent STONE? pure showmanship! seriously... obviously sophisticated engineering and machining techniques went into creating these vases. What's more, given the number of these artifacts, it must've been fairly easy for them to accomplish. Thank you Ben and Friends...
Like Chris Dunn, I have been a precision engineer for over 40 years. I know precision machining when I see it. Anyone who doubts the findings of this analysis obviously doesn't have a clue.
you dont have a clue hahahaha so naive
that is still bno reason to go into machinery, these were very good craftsmen, way better than we have now.
Mind-bending precision. You can even imagine the cutter head fluttering in the way the dials wiggle within their incredibly tight tolerances. They must have had giant, heavy machines. I wonder if they used a combination of stone and metal to create analog powered cutting tools, perhaps making the tool holders out of giant stones, as well as their entire base assembly. A hole would be drilled that could accept a spindle, and a piece of stone could be turned on a "rock solid" lathe. The tool could be guided with a 2-axis gliding mechanism using stone bearing spheres and a pantograph mechanism that could copy a pattern from a radius based on a set designed using a mathematical system based on pi and phi. This would require a rich heritage of mathematics, an understanding of metal alloys, advanced engineering capabilities, and a long and sustained period of peaceful settlement to develop the capabilities required for making these vases in such large quantities. I can imagine them washing up onto the shore in their millions after some massive flood, most in shards, but 10,000s intact, collected by the survivors who rebuilt from scratch. It's starting to look like a very likely scenario that archeologists and Egyptologists will not be able to wiggle their way out of any longer.
A great comment. I think the polygonal walls were also cut using a pantograph from a small-scale model of the proposed wall.
It does occur to me that a power source is needed - it could be as simple as a water wheel, but I do wonder if the ancients used a simple steam turbine. Heron of Alexandria built a small one as a novelty, but it may be no coincidence that he lived in a city that once had a library filled with ancient documents now lost to us.
At this point I’m just assuming they had some kind of giant box way machines running on templates or geometry built directly into the machine. This is wild.
This continues to be a leading example, true scientific approach to questionable mainstream claims. I entirely doubt previous assumptions on these artifacts after being presented with continued compelling and repetative results. Comparative data here with controls in place should, again, excite the scientific community beyond archeology.
I'm not sure what baffles me more at this point; the ignorance of skeptics to precision manufacturing at what we see was on a massive scale, or the results of this study itself. Thank you, Ben, for this presentation.
31:40 Great quote from Chris, unreal results.
You guys will be talked about in the future and history and will deserve recognition.
@TheChzoronzon He did have them checked by a 3rd party, in fact he made the results open source to the entire world. You can download the STL file right now and verify it yourself.
As far as provenance, several of these vases have certifed provenance daring back to the late 1800s and early 1900s, which is more than enough for me considering that no one had the ability to cut granite and especially corundum to such a high degree of accuracy in that time period, which eliminates the possibility of forgery.
In fact, I doubt that ANYONE can replicate that vase NOW without a SUBSTANTIAL investment into R&D and tooling and process developments. Thats my professional opinion as an aerospace machinist of twenty years. And even if they did, why then? Is there an underground tiny granite vase market that's completely unknown by the public selling large quantities of these vases for hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a piece? That would be the only way to recoup the investment. So why forge it in the first place? It just doesn't make sense.
That being said, of course I would love to see egyptologists and museums open their minds and doors to professional metrologists and allow the vases and artifacts to be scanned. If for no other reason than to shut up the few dissenters (almost all have no engineering or manufacturing experience) and naysayers.
Incredible results. As an engineer, this video gave me goosebumps!
People without the necessary background for complete understanding see this and say "cool". I wish they could grasp the ridiculousness. Its impossible, yet proven reality recorded in stone. 🤷♂
Waking up to this episode while health is declining and the world is on fire is gold.
We're near the end of the Yuga cycle, so....
When the end comes and prophecies start happening people will say it's from global warming aside from WW3 and plagues and such
I ran a multi million dollar machine shop doing mold making. We only had one programmer and one operator who with the best machines and tools could get steel to 1.5 thousands of an inch on a steel mold. If we had to make those boxes from steel we would need to use EDM to get those corners. We can't even do it with a mill..
You can not imagine how hard this is.
It just keeps getting better. Thank you for doing all of this!!!
Did the measurement team calculate the volume of the interior of these precision vessels?
It would be interesting to see if the volume was a relevant factor in their design, given that today we generally manufacture vessels to contain a particular volume of something, I.e a liquid.
If that is the case, then one could draw conclusions on the purpose of the vessels. Anything made to that level of precision and expense would have to be made with a purpose in mind.
This is one of those “duhh” things someone just had to say out loud and it clicks. I bet you’re right
great observation !
In addition, personally I wouldn't refer to these magnificent feats of engineering as 'vases'. Whatever they were used for, it wasn't for flower arrangements. They were made precisely to carry something important. I say 'carry' as those lugs were clearly part of the design so that something (rope, leather?) could be fitted to enable these vessels to be carried, transported, hung or stored in great numbers.
The mind boggles when one is confronted with the mathematics and engineering aspects of these vessels. They were designed and manufactured with the utmost precision. Raw materials were sought, surveyed, mined and transported..oh and no doubt traded. The machinery was also designed and manufactured, which itself would have required precision tools to make the machines.
Whoever accomplished all these factors was educated, trained and mentored. As were the teachers. This would require standards, assessments, administration etc. This would require a society as advanced, if not more, than our own.
@@rockygoodfellow77 I wonder if it would make sense to put it in one of those mass spectrometer or something similar to search for traces of specific compounds or chemicals. I’d imagine either the contained liquid/solid or maybe a cleaner could be detected if it managed to penetrate or stain at all. Micro cracks may absorb something. I think the lugs were for mounting in a very specific use. They’re useless for carrying. Maybe collectors of some small kind in a larger machine? I’m lost
@blacklabel6223 yep, whatever their purpose was, it wasn't decorative. Machined solid granite vessels! Would anyone even try now - with wall thicknesses of a few millimetres!
The question is not just how, or when, it's also why, and for what purpose?
Why that material? Why those dimensions? Why that precision? Is the volume relevant? What was it specifically designed to contain?
Incredible beyond comprehension! Massive implications. This should be front page news the world over. Kudos to you Ben.
I;ve been wondering why we don't see any writings from these ancient megalith builders. Then I thought maybe it just further proves their advanced culture. They didn't chisel things into stone to communicate their ideas, much like the present day decline in the use of paper in favor of digital storage. Makes me think they were even more advanced than previously thought.
Simply incredible! Thanks
What I find most intriguing is Ben describing how one of these vases was found in a burial site in Egypt that was carbon dated to 14,000 years.
Agreed!
Actually if you listen carefully, he doesn’t say that. He just heavily implies that.
indeed, predynastic means before egypts culture started acc to history - so should be a time of tiny villages at best, and roaming hunter-gatherers (one of them dragging a presicion machineshop along) - infact, it takes an entire culture to create something like these vases, one that has extreemely advanced technology and understanding. egypts culture, as they claim themselves as well, is retelling ancient knowledge. they didnt gain this knowledge, they inherited it. historians just didnt belive them, in modern times.
so im not surprised at 14k years. could even be 100k years and i wouldnt blink.
Strange how that hasn´t been talked more about. If true, it´s a complete F U to the establishment.
The vases themselves could be much older still.
Loving this journey, as a fellow Australian, it’s great to see you play a part in pioneering the change in understanding of human history! Keep up the great work and thank you for the dedication 👍🏼
my mind is blown. as so often after watching your videos. thank you so much for your work and passion.
This is so incredible and poses so many more questions than answers. Fabulous content!!
WAHO!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Standing ovation from me!!!
Congratulations Ben & Company!!! You boys have done the impossible and the most exciting work ever done in so called “Egyptology” since anyone ever conceived of such an ology!!! The work is irrefutable and speaks for itself!!!! All I can say is, thank you, thank you, thank you and I am certain you boys are going to change the his-story books forever!!!
Cheers
This episode as well as practically your entire library are some of the most important work being done in this field. Period. And the fact that you teamed up with Mr. Dunn in my opinion cements your spot on the top shelf for me Ben. Thank you for your effort and drive seems so inadequate..
Thanks again. Keep on with your clear and honest work.
Those vases has some mindbogling message. These guys has almost opened that message.
Highly remarkable the huge smile and sign of satisfaction that Chris Dunn bears. He was right, there were ancient technologies in the far past.
You are right. This is fabulous verification
@@Lizziekarendreamsnow if only they could verify that the vases are actually from ancient times, which they can't, so it's all irrelevant.
This is one of the most exciting studies I’ve seen in YEARS ❤ it feels like Christmas came early 😂 very much appreciate all the hard work and dedication of the whole team and I’m excited to see where these findings could take us! Many thanks and blessings to you all ❤
We have Devolved. MANY thanks Mr. Dunn
Can we even assume that these are made by a human civilization that was pretty much on our technological level. Especially those minute deviations in wall thickness are truly out of this world. Beautiful work again, Ben.
Have you looked into examining the surfaces of the vases with a microscope. That may reveal the fabricationmethod
I’m so happy to see you guys are analyzing more and more of these artifacts. It’s just so astounding to see how remarkably precise these granite vases are.
The other thing which would be interesting, would be to compare & contrast a modern, off-the-shelf stone vase to point out the differences - if there are any.
I am totally fascinated by these Vases, and other Objects. As you mention in your introduction it would be possible to manufacture these today, but at incredible cost. Those dating back to being discovered in the 1800s, were impossible to manufacture at that time. Keep up the great work.
Great work! As a totally seperate confirmation, which might be worth noting in a future video, is that the excavation of, I think three, spaces into solid rock at Barabar have a tolerance on walls of 4 micrometers. This having been achieved with portable equipment that had to fit through the only opening, then set up and used. BAM have a documentary on this being released this December 14th 2023. They may also be interested in your work, if they do not already know of it.
that teaser video of Barabar on their channel is amazing
What is BAM, barabar and where is the video. Please...
The results are beautiful. Examples of mathematical harmony.
The precision and scale of ancient precision artifacts and monuments evokes wonder and excitement at all the secrets yet to be uncovered.
How many of them are found in an unfinished state, seemingly abandoned mid-work at the same time all over the world, evokes an almost lovecraftian sense of dread...
Younger-Dryas Impact, anyone?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle that's one possibility.
I think it's likely that some kind of Impact event happened around 12k years ago. But the YD lasted 1000 years and there seems to have been an event on both ends.
Also, some of the structures may well be far older and bear the marks of catastrophes from milennia before even the YD.
Personally, I think there's merit to sun related catastrophy-theories and those I find a lot scarier since we could concievably defend ourselves against asteroids and comets but tf are we gonna do against a solar storm or ... a nemesis star
To think, where would civilization be if random acts of the universe played differently…
@@donotreadthis26 please look up Antonio Zamora's videos on the Younger-Dryas Impact Hypothesis and the Carolina Bays. There was clearly an extraterrestrial impact circa 12.9k years ago, but we still can't explain the Bolling-Aelerod heating circa 14.5k years ago.
It's actually quite interesting how granite is still the ultimate source and destination of our best precision in form of surface plates.
well, it's a hard and brittle material that's relatively cheap to get in large pieces. Unlike metals, it doesn't bend or dent, which makes it great at maintaining its precision once manufactured.
@@outandabout259 It does bend. It just bends very little. I promise you that at a small enough scale everything is rubber like. If I put an incompressible point in the middle of a 2 ton granite surface plate you would be able to measure the sag at the ends.
The primary reason we use granite for surface plates is one if availability. Before WWll the primary material used for surface plates was fine grained cast iron. The production process was long and in the end labor intensive. The castings needed to be completely stress relieved. Initial machining performed and then hand scrapped using master plates and precision inspection tools meant for the work. Some of which is optical in nature. With the rapid expansion of defense contractors for the war effort a cheaper and faster means was needed. The answers were found in granite and glass. But not all granite is suitable. Plus these surface plates needed to be properly supported when in use or they will sag in the middle or at the perimeter.
@@mpetersen6 These inspectors were measuring very coarsely, only .001-.009" A class B plate is way more than good enough for such coarse measurements. The rotary vise probably has .001-.002 runout on a good day. But, even .010 runout or ovality is still amazing if indeed those pots are 4-5000 years old!
Literally after I watch his videos of granite cut objects in Egypt I walked into my machine shop and had my mind blown realizing the granite table was barely more flat.
The regular relationship between the circle diameters suggests they had some kind of standard tooling in sizes that went up in a geometric progression, which would be a logical way to do it.
Hard to imagine the tech-level of a culture that would produce such items for aesthetics only !
Their routine methods were incapable of creating less accurate results.
Hate to break it to ya, but you could make one of those vases in the 19th century using a follower. Still not the "stone age" BS thrown around by idiot "historians" but... You would think one of those machinist friends of his would know what that is... but apparently they are ignorant of old school machining devices. Sure you would go through a LOT of square end mills and the polishing would be the hard part, but it can be done. In 1960's we had hydraulic followers able to match to less than half a thousandth of an inch using ball end mills. So, yes, all of these technically could be fakes. Sorry, but true. His "technical" group is historically ignorant of basic machinist technology available to previous generations.
Machinists before CNC for Very hard 3D shapes before age of CNC would make a 3D mold out of clay, plaster of paris, check it for tolerances, fill it to tolerance, machine it, check tolerances, polish it down, etc and then use a follower in the hard final material.
At minimum a society able to machine to late 19th/earth 20th century standards. BY mid 20th century BEFORE CNC we can easily make these vases using ball end mills and followers.
Rock and Roll precision! I knew you were onto something huge, this is a game changer! I can’t wait to hear what the “skeptics” (Naysayers) will have to say! It seems they’re running out of lame retorts and fabricated nonsense to try and rain on your parade. This changes everything, maybe now we can throw out the ridiculous academic version of history and really start looking at the past with open minds. Open the floodgates! 😃⚡️👍🏻💥😃
@@w8stral4:40
maybe they are not for aesthetics only. maybe they had some function.
I worked with an old toolmaker back in the 70s who built custom jigs to manufacture precision parts during WWII. He told me that the best machinists/toolmakers could eyeball making a part to 0.020" with modern tools. About 20 times worse than an Egyptian with a pounding stone.
we humans have pretty well designed measuring tools built in by nature for flatness and straightness (we are predators and need a perception of depth and our surrounding to get the hunt done well otherwise we would not be around to begin with), but where we can not handle things is when it becomes round. And this is the case with these objects, you can not eyeball roundness/circularity on a curved surface. Or in other words would the object be flat with every surface the way to manufacture it would be magnitudes less problematic then how it is shaped.
!!! Wow!
Nobody but Ben claims these were made with pounding stones.
@@okgroomer1966 huh? He literally says the opposite of what you just said.
"...the best machinists/toolmakers could eyeball making a part to 0.020" with modern tools." We used to work to at least 0.010" (eyeball) when doing lathe work to loose tolerances, using a good quality steel rule and calipers, but that was just flat, straight diameters, and with steel. When you consider curves, and a material that has varying areas of hardness, it's difficult to know where to start!
The accuracy of the work blows me away tbh.
Look forward to more.
These vases are Real wonder of the world.
Everyone needs to see this. The implications are astounding and change everything about our history, who we are and where we come from. Every. Thing.
The incredible ( shameful) thing is that this work is just now being done. What is the problem with science? Bravo and keep up the good work.
We love you Ben. Keep up the good work dude!
OK WOW !!!!! Almost inexplicable how they could EVER have been made !!!
After looking at the vases in blender for a while, I agree, the 'honeycomb' vase might be an unfinished example. If you spin it around it's Z-Axis you can see that the horizontal grooves stay perfectly level. It looks a lot like the carving marks you get from working a piece of wood in a laithe. This vase might offer the deepest insights into the production process. To me this stuff is the most exciting topic in ancient history right now. Thank you, Ben!
That vase is reminiscent of the granite box at Elephantine Island which has an unfinished section of bullnose. If you haven't watched that video of his, I highly suggest it.
@@AustinKoleCarlisleAlso very reminiscent of the unfinished obelisk. Would be interested if it was a grinding process that could be scaled for very large/small items.
@@frostasaurus2190 honestly, my gut instinct tells me it was a loop of wire that was energized with some type of unknown form of energy that separated matter at the atomic level. likely no abrasive/grinding process was employed because creating a granite vase as thin as a playing card wouldn't be possible.
@@AustinKoleCarlisleInteresting thought. Like electropolishing. You could use a lathe with a key then.
@naughtiusmaximus830 wire EDM type thing?
As a metrologist in a past life, the topic of these vases fascinates me. The inspections of artefacts like this should have been done with this much detail a long time ago. Great work!
It would be interesting if you could detect any trace elements inside the boxes to understand what they may have contained
for me, when the man, who has spent prettymuch his entire career doing this very type of work, was measuring the variation only of wall thickness lights up like a kid on christmas morning as he processes just how precicely made that object is just brought it all home...we still can NOT reproduce this today can we...abdolute top notch and extremely satisfying video guys! tip of the spear and you just set the bar to the next level with this one in my opinion...the numbers don't lie!
I really appreciate almost 30 minutes of explanation and methodology before diving straight into the results. I think it was a really great way to set the stage. It gives anyone who wants to refute the claims both an incredible challenge and all the information they might need at the same time. Once again, expressing my gratitude for the immense time and effort you put into your videos.
Michael
Timeline. Advanced civilization beyond out imagination. Cataclysm, then, technology hidden forever. All tools and machines hidden from peasants. Lied to for a few more thousand years and now Brandon.
I've shown this kind of thing to people. People with degrees. And by fat the most popular response is "you'd be amazed at what can be achieved with enough slaves!"
I tell ya, it's hard to remain calm.
@@olliea6052 They're probably fucking with you over such a non-point
@@goodjuju4531 And to top it all off, we're told we're the most advanced our species has ever been...yet we can't even decide on what a woman is.
What a cross over this comment is
one of the best examples of uncovering lost ancient tech that cannot be disputed. You are making history!!!
Wow... I'm a cnc machinist so I work with tolerances all day. This is amazing... your work showing the math blew me away!!! And there is nothing wrong with Inches lol. We had a perfectly good system that had no real issues until the french Fd things up lol.
Absolutely incredible analysis here, mind blowing results & implications
Thanks for putting in the work guys
This should be sufficient for an article in 'Science'.
Just awesome! You've brought real science to the pseudo-science of ancient human history.
This is history changing, paradigm shift, Nobel prize type work 💯%
Yes yes!!!
They've brought nothing actually, all the work is irrelevant as they have zero proof these are ancient vases and not more modern pieces. They may be engineers but they are certainly not scientists.
Using the data provided @43:49 we can safely state:
Height = 4 x Phi
Because 4 x Phi = 4 x 1.618033 = 6.472132
32 / 5 = 6.4
Hence we can pretty safely assume that the height = 4 times Phi
I love the Spinner Vase. For it to spin so long is amazing
18.739mm is close to the Egyptian “djeba” unit of measurement. The Royal cubit seems to have been 525mm with 28 djeba per cubit. That equals 18.75mm per djeba.
Ben, if there is any justice your work and the work of the. Vase Scan Project will immortalize you and change our understanding of history and humanity forever
I'm not given to hyperbole (Dave for comedic effect) so I'm being utterly sincere.
I still cannot quite believe I'm watching the largest revolution of historical understanding on some Ozzie bloke's RUclips channel, while the media and academic world collectively seem to be plugging their ears, pending they can't hear you.
Amazing work. I wish I had the time, skills, or money to help in any way, but .. The Best u can do is like, comment, share, and tell anyone who might remotely appreciate the paradigm smashing work you guys are doing.
All the best. Your work and you some will, I have a feeling, end up being crucial in some way, large or small, to our future even more than our past.
Thanks to all that worked on this project which is a very worth while endever. Keep this going please.
It is truly mind blowing at so many levels. It also raises more questions than answers.
It is not just that these vases were made to such high tolerances, its what went into their design process. It shows a very high level of mathematical understanding, geometry and ability to just design a vase.
The machining involved is so sophisticated especially when working with the materials used all of which differ greatly in composition. The tooling for making such vases must have been even more sophisticated with the highest of precision and complexity. I can only imagine what else was made in say metal that would have oxidised to nothing after such a large time frame of 6,7 or 10 thousand years plus. Perhaps they knew these stone vases would leave a legacy of advanced capability in a hope that it could be continued for generations.
We know nothing and have been lied to since the beginning of our lives. There is a video on RUclips suggesting these were made with a crude hand cranked lathe and this person is argumentative with anyone who says they had anything but crude tools to make these. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but he is wrong and with this very obviously so. What an incredible perfection they are. Thank you for sharing this!
27:50 - I align pump and drive motors using a dial kit like these as part of my duties at work. It needs to be precise, otherwise the motor/gearbox/pump bearings and the coupler will suffer vibration and a reduced operating life. I aim for less than 3 thousandths angularity and offsets on the vertical and horizontal axis. It's a finicky, time-consuming process; measure, loosen, shim and adjust, tighten, measure, loosen, shim and adjust, tighten, measure.. It's a real pain when it's a 400lb electric motor, and 3 thou is a bit more precise than needed given the RPM most of our stuff runs at, but it needs to last and be reliable. As someone familiar with the use of these tools, watching the readings on that vase at 27:50 makes me a little queasy.. The precision and consistency on this thing is absolutely not an accident, and the implications are humbling and disturbing.
I've done similar work aligning electric motors to big refrigeration compressors, not quite to that level of precision but I understand how finicky it can be. Seems to me that the sceptics just have no real understanding of precision.
WOW, JUST WOW. thank you ben, and chris and the whole team. when you concluded the base unit revelation i literally got chills through my body. this is remarkable work for all of you. and ben dont discount yourself, i know i would feel inferior around all of those precision engineers. but ben you have a gift my friend. im 39 years old and work in the automotive industry and worth reletively intimately with .001-.020 measurments (1-20thou) and i like to think my eyes are calibrated to about .004 and my elbow to about 8ft lbs. 😅 but you my friend just explained this to my very first understanding. everythingh you produce and put out is just as precise and polished as any of these artifacts and engineers. thank you from the bottom of my heart for your drive. i envy you my friend. dont ever stop.
If there ever was a real “holy grail”…. The craftsmanship and precision is remarkable, particularly when you consider the materials used. Mind blowing.
Brilliant work. How exciting that you're on the cutting edge of discovery! The implications are mind blowing