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At this point should the narrative be taken to "why are you lying" when addressing academia and so-called archaeologist? You, Brien Foerester and many others have presented a fantastic case for ancient high tech. Only a fool would believe these artifacts were produced by crude pounding tools.
Both the cornice (column end piece) & columns were cut on huge lathes. I see programmable lathe work plain as day. So let me explain what tools are still on the world's great stone worksites. A house & a large building are built similarly, so I'll use a house as my example because it's simpler. First, a surveyor drives up, gets out his tools, does his survey, puts his tools back in his truck and drives away with his tools. Next, a truck drives up with a bulldozer, he brings out the bulldozer, clears the site, puts his bulldozer back in his truck and drives away with his bulldozer. Notice his bulldozer is his tool and he leaves with his tool. Next, a truck drives up with a steam shovel, he brings out the steam shovel, digs the basement, puts his steam shovel back in his truck and drives away with his steam shovel. Notice again his steam shovel is his tool and he leaves with his tool. This same pattern continues over and over. Front end loaders, back hoes, concrete trucks, cranes, the trucks drive up and leave with the tools they bring. Artisans do the same: cement workers, carpenters, heating men, plumbers, electricians, this list goes on & on, everyone brings their tools and leaves with their tools. No one leaves construction tools behind. But when the house is done it is common for a few tools to still be there, a broom, a mop, a bucket and a rag. It's the janitor's tools. And it's exactly same at the great stone worksites. Have you ever met even one person who bought a house with a steam shovel the construction crews just accidentally left out in the back yard and forgot to take with them when they were done with it? Of course not. The very idea that construction tools would be found at great stone worksites is pure fantasy born out of abject ignorance and a touch of insanity. The craftsmen who built the world's great stone worksites were the elite of the elite, they brought the world's most specialized tools with them when they came, and they took their tools with them when they left. Their tools were unimaginably highly valued. The tools that are still there belong to janitors, maintenance & royal graffiti artisans. And valued like a broom.
A few things I'd consider. 1- In the circular drill holes that have a bottom. I would like to vacuum whatever dust remains at the end/bottom, in hope that some evidence of the abrasive might still exist. Even modern day diamond coring drill bits could leave a clue. 2- Once cleaned of any dust, I'd cast the last point of contact at the bottom, and scan the last moment of contact. That would possibly show the clearest scratches of abrasion. 3- Similarly the huge stone boxes with the perfect right angle interior corners. I'd look to the corners for a microscopic image. Scanned and/or cast to see the last stroke in making those corners. Abrasive? Chisel? Other? 4- And make with our current tools, something to parallel those features for compare. i.e. What does the last stroke from the tools, show. Scratch? Dent? Nothing, even at the microscopic level?
The thing that amazes me about this box is the audacity of the stonecarvers. By cutting all these shapes into the finished object, the carver guaranteed that even one slight error would result in a ruined box. Unless there are hundreds of failed, ruined, partially finished boxes for each complete box, it would seem an impossible task.
Technology is indistinguishable from magic and that's the part that gets me, just the sheer mass production of the stuff is something else entirely. How unremarkable this box was in its day, that's what's remarkable.
@@seanzibonanzi64 If we set aside enough of the insistent assumptions of mainstream Egyptologists then it becomes possible that whoever fashioned these objects either had far longer to build all of it, as in thousands of years longer or they had far better tools if not both. Of course the possibility that whoever that was may not be the same or even not connected to the Dynastics credited with it is something that the status quo will never want to consider. It's also important to remember that to speak bluntly there's a great deal of public and professional corruption and graft in all levels of Egyption society. This means that when Zawi Hawes acts like anyone questioning the orthodoxy is trying to take his status, house and life that's exactly what we're doing because that's precisely what the culture is.
That is the point.... We see nowhere how they tried to carve these boxes. It amazes me how many people take the academic tale for granted. There is a whole piece of our history wiped out. And the idea that there was a highly developed civilization before 12.000 years ago is ridiculed.
@@PetraKann Everything is so straight and perfect that they ALL use the same angles to show them...hope he doesn't use his own 3d scans he was showing to convince himself, since the faceted part in his scan is not perfect, not straight, and even wanders of its direction sitting way lower on one site...
@@avamasquerade There are examples of this level of precision all over ancient Egyptian sites. Even in this video, there is an example of a finished version of the stone box, which ancient Egyptians inscribed with hieroglyphics. It's the same design and everything. Did you guys actually watch the video?
@@PetraKann as always when there is evidence (as shown in his own 3d scan) it gets ignored, if there isn't its a big thing...nothing to believe, its in the video.
I'm a lifelong machinist and fabricator. Retired now, but still using CNC mills and lathes. The facets on the edging are without a doubt made with some kind of precision machine. There is no way you could do that by hand. And going a step further there are currently two types of precision machines. Manual and computerized. Manual where the axis controls are turned by hand, and CNC where they are turned by computer. The flared columns while also made by machine were probably computer controlled because it's very hard if not impossible to do those curves on a manual machine. Another thing to think about is the cutting tool. You would need something at least as hard as diamond. Anything else would not be able to cut these long cuts without changing the tool which would invariably leave marks.
What are your thoughts on them using water ? The Nile was large and flowing then. Could they have made a high pressure gravity water jet? Possibly even using air pressure as well ? I dont know how high if a psi could be obtained using what the "history" books say was available. I know they found the Disk,.and to me it looks like it could generate velocity. Tubes/pipes would have been easy, well designed water wheel, and thick walled clay cylinder to hold and build air pressure. That would be added towards the end of the water to gain cutting power
There is no way YOU can do it by hand. Its a failure of your tiny mind, thinking that ancient egyptians were somehow dumber than you. Failing completely to realize that these things were designed and built by GENIUSES. Obviously you aint one of those.
si des personnes auraient pu faire le travail avec des machines nous aurions des preuves, or on voient des polissage dans tout les sens donc manuellement.
Could easily be done by hand. Like an abrasive plane. Made of stone. Ran along at an angle set in a wooden cradle with the weight of stone providing down force.
Ben!!! Congrats dude!! On JRE finally! I was hoping that would happen. So happy for you. Your very excellent channel will really blow up now. Lol. This is awesome. I think people are really starting to understand that our history is very different that what we have been told. It's great seeing you and Jimmy both on JRE. The more people start looking into it the more the paradigm will start to shift
From 1 Aussie to another, you rock Ben, I was listening to JRE the 4 hour podcast and was totally blown away, I love what you’re doing and if I could go back in time, I’d be doing what you are. Living the dream for sure and makes absolute sense what you’re saying about the vases 🤩🤯, blew my mind. I am now binge watching your videos on RUclips and love your work. Please stay the bloke telling us the truth as you have seen and learnt through your career. You should do tours and take old farts 💨 like me that would love to do digs and just feel like we are helping you spread awareness of all the common sense answers about the machinery and technology that we may never know how “They” did what they did. Keep blowing our minds and you explain everything so well you can’t help but get excited about what you have found and accomplished in your life. Sincere Thanks and Best wishes for the future 😊 Thanks so much.
Does anyone else start feeling conspiratorial when hearing previously open sites are now closed to the public? It's tragic enough we'll likely never know exactly what knowledge and technology was lost, but to have investigation artificially obstructed by governments is infuriating.
You got to be arrogant to think that we were the first civilization I think us humans been walking around for 250,000 years and we've been hit with meteor showers and Extinction events
Have you been there? Do you know that this site actually is closed to the public? Do you know why sites are closed and reopened?Are you aware of the seasonality of the Egyptian sites? This channel has proved itself to be an unreliable narrator that spreads ignorance with no contribution to advancement of our knowledge of the subject. Instead their sole purpose appears to be to promote unfounded ideas for their benefit and for attention but to the detriment of actual science.
It's not that surprising that the country wants to protect their priceless ancient artifacts from whatever random person might stumble in from any corner of the globe and abuse the site.
I was 99.9% certain that there have been civilizations that are much more ancient and much more technologically advanced than the ones we normally study in history. But after this video, I have been brought to 100%. Very, very well done!
Oh yeah? How are you so convinced when they didn’t tell you which civilization was more advanced? There is no evidence of machines they may have used, right? There is no evidence the Egyptians didn’t build these and they kept great records. There is no DNA evidence of this alleged ancient civilization, right? They would have not taken wives or had offspring, lol. 😂😂😂
Patrick, you started your comment with “oh,yeah?” what are we, 14 years old? Catastrophic global events killed off the dinosaurs, except for birds. That couldn’t have happened to the humans? Egyptians didn’t have records of not building the pyramids? They also didn’t have records of how they built the pyramids, if they actually did. And there are no tools that have been found that would have been needed for a lot of the ancient architecture. And if these earlier advanced civilizations were hundreds of thousands of years ago, or 1 million or more years ago, there would be nothing left to show that they were here except for massive stone structures like they left for us to see. “Oh, yeah?” LOL at you, lad. Learn to think for yourself and not just buy into what is handed to you by the keepers of the status quo.
I saw a documentary that asked the question, 1 million years from now what would last that would prove that we had lived. And their answer was possibly the Hoover dam would be the only thing left from our civilization.
Another great presentation. Having been a machinist for 40 years I feel certain that the features of the structures shown in this video could not have been accomplished with the tools attributed to the Egyptian civilization of this period. Perhaps the builders of all these amazing structures left and took their tools with them. Thanks Ben and keep them coming.
They could have left the tools in a pile beside it, and they would have been dust thousands of years before the egyptians crawled out of the mud. If we disappeared today, the only things left of us in 5000 years would be stone and bone.
most major civilizations around the world seem to have been started by Atlantean survivors who spread out after the cataclysm ended the Ice Age, and this is why so many cultures speak of "white gods" coming from the sea/sky, but you didn't hear that from me.
@@flowerpt Good point! And when you consider over 90% of the Sahara is desert up to 30m thick, how do we know what’s under there? New discoveries are being made all the time. If the Sahara was luscious and green when we (ancient tech advocates) believe the actual builders lived, then their tools could still be under there
Or the tools used to cut and shape the granite blocks were destroyed by following civilization’s just like the Talaban we’re destroying 2 and 3 thousand year old statues for maybe the same reason…
@@stewartoonagh definitely not cast. The stone blocks were carved from a quarry. No evidence of cast or concrete infrastructure that predates Roman era.
I am a self-taught CAD and CNC user for hobby guitar projects. Watching this was like being reminded of the design and machine milling toolpath strategies I have learned in the last six years. 😮
Man, I cannot begin to tell you how much watching your HD vids along with your excellent commentary and insight blows me away! One of the most frustrating things about Egypt is knowing that we'll probably never know how or who created these masterpieces (it's like having an itch on your back that you can never quite reach). I'll probably never have the opportunity to visit Egypt but at least your high-def videos can give me a close up view as if I was there! Much thanks!
Thank you Ben for the incredibly well curated shot and explained footage of the world’s most incredible artifacts. You inspired me to go to Egypt and Peru this year, thanks to you I had a list of artifacts to see for myself, this shrine, the lotus columns, the sphinx, valley temple, serapeum, the hard stone vases, sacsayhuaman, the coricancha, ollantaytambo. Even though I was prepared everything was more incredible in person. I will have to join you on a future expedition.
I've worked with marble both with hand tools and with power tools. I've worked with CNC machines and I've done construction work. The work there on those holes are incredible, very difficult to make
Call me old.fashioned,but I still prefer shaping marble and granite with freguency.And maybe it is a bit autistic,but the larger stones I move with audio frequency.
I make these holes exactly like this, in 1 day, by hand. Just as precise and difficult to reach as here. And it takes me 1 day to make the hand tools. The problem with these kinds of videos is mass hypnosis. If you say long enough, that it can't be done, only the possibility that aliens did it remains. It can be done, by hand, by allmost everybody.
Hm I mean the drill tip could just be made wider than the shaft, while the shaft is hold against the corner with two square blocks. The shaft of the drill can be turned by a chain or a belt. But the forces needed to be applied to work granit would mean either they had already modern style bearings to hold the shaft or would need to replace the blocks and the shaft constantly, as the drill dust would act like sandpaper in the meeting faces of both (in addition to normal wear). Without modern bearings it's also hard to see how this drilling could be finished in a endless amount of time. I mean you can't drill the holes for a year or two, that's just bonkers - I mean there's several tons of stone needed to be removed elsewhere on the box.
Agree. They are PERFECTLY straight, even and precise. Also those circular boreholes. Impossible to do by hand. No hand/tool would fit as they are flush with the surface.
@@emartinezr there are a few things here, cutting versus marking. The poster is amazed that the lines were so precise. He shouldn't be. The cutting is a thing. The comment is 2 months old, I'm not rereading the thread.
The faceting is exactly how a modern CNC machine cuts hard metals. It makes a series of rough passes with a larger tool before coming back with a smaller tool to remove the final bits of material and get a finished look. It does this because using the smaller tool that can make the clean finish to remove that much material would damage the tool or be way too slow.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
Why does "old guard" archeology have such power over history? Archeologists aren't experts on how to craft stone. Yet they decide how these ancient works of stone were made?
I have been following Graham, Randall and Jimmy for several years now and love the outside the mainstream thinking. Your knowledge on these ancient artifacts and how the technology was lost is so fascinating. Great job on Rogan by the way. Keep doing what your doing man! 👏
seriously people think ancient civilizations were stupid. we’re the stupid ones polluting our mother earth with plastic, toxic gas, dumping waste into bodies of water. Texas has had over 200 earthquakes this year due to fracking. i mean wtf are we doing ppl!?!?
@@wiseguywill4 fracking has nothing to do with hurting " mother Earth". World wide pollution especially from shit holes like India and China are a huge problem
I haven't done much with stone but I've machined other materials and I'm genuinely impressed with the craftsmanship here. Yeah, the faceted part is really important but the shot that to me is most indicative of multi axis CNC machine work is 18:53 This view shows how a complex concave curve transitions around a 90 degree corner. I mean look at it. It isn't just a half circle cut into the profile. It looks perhaps parabolic or logarithmic. This is a pretty complex thing to cut. Furthermore, the size of the piece coupled with the precision of it is REALLY impressive. Making a precision cutting tool is one thing. Making a really big precision cutting tool is something totally different. Whatever they used to make this thing was amazing. When I see all of those core drill holes in the video I can't help but laugh about the idea of some poor slob trying to cut them with a copper tube because I've cut holes like that in concrete when I was an electrician's apprentice. Granite? With a bow and copper tube? Not happening. 🤣 Cutting a 3" or 4" diameter hole 6" deep in concrete (soft as cheese compared to granite) with a big, electric, core drill bolted to the floor with drop in anchors used to take like half an hour to an hour. Granted, we had an old clapped out core drill that wasn't the latest greatest but it took two of us to carry it inside and it must have had at least a half horse electric motor on it.
Thank you so much for your input on this subject. I'm just a curious dumbass stoner but I am so fascinated of ancient societies... what secrets do they hold that we do not know 🤔 😭
You have hit the nail on the head here Sir! and described accurately what is a required from a practical standpoint! Again, so called "experts" choose to ignore a practical person like yourself and the brilliant 30 year plus expert stone mason and artist in the video. Why is the main stream experts so very scared of the truth?? probably academia stuck in time and boring reputations!
Doesn't it stand to reason that these cuts were made in the modern (ish) day with proper stone-cutting tools then? I mean, it'd be a fascinating topic to discuss, though numerous channels would have to alter their subject matter and foundational theories to accommodate and adequately explore the possibilities...
Im a stone mason but i cannot imagine making these magnificent granite boxes with extreme precision by using only a chisel or pounding it with a rock its damn impossible.
Finally! I have been waiting for a closer look at this box. Another aspect about these artifacts that really breaks my mind (besides how they were made) is the design they chose for these massive objects. Every lip, every edge, every shape is a decision made in stone. Are they only cosmetic designs or do they have some specific purpose? Do they have a deeper meaning? And why is so much of the stuff they left behind unfinished?
@@ylemscalamity or war or natural disaster or punishment from God, Why we can't think of a powerful civilisation that destroyed because of God's punishment Like we see how the old big flood story is in every culture
Unbelievable evidence and footage! The more I learn and see about the ancient stone work, the more I know this was not done with hand tools. That box and those enormous columns are absolutely amazing pieces of work. Clearly done with heavy machinery and high speed cutting bits. Man I wish I could see what really was going on at that time!
As an engineer and having a lot of construction work experience I have zero doubt that box made by advanced tools. So there's 2 possibilities: 1. Either advanced, I repeat, advanced civilization existed. 2. Or it's made by modern tools and droped there to attract tourists.
I love the 3D scans! Also fantastic close ups of the precise edges and corners. The stonework is in pristine condition (apart from damage), despite being thousands of years old. It is awe-inspiring. We cannot imagine what machinery was used by 'primitive' craftsmen, and there is not the slightest piece of evidence anywhere. This is pre-Egyptian without doubt!
I'll bet anything that they found the machines and they have hidden them from the public like they have hidden the giant skeletons that have been found everywhere!!! They will do anything to protect their false Theory of evolution!!!
@@johnmatacola8867 You do realize that's impossible to fake though right? You do realize you sound like a fool for even suggesting it though right? That's carved from a multi ton block of granite from the Aswan quarry to the east across the river. Faking that would take a bare minimum of a team of engineers, stone masons, laborers and tools just to excavate it from the quarry, multiple cranes and high load capacity vehicles including a barge just to move it and that doesn't account for massive high speed impact drills and articulated saws just to get started cutting the thing. If you think it would be easy to make and just leave there as a hoax I want some of whatever you're smoking!!!
The mirrored symmetry & accuracy of some of these massive stone statues and structures is simply astounding. The human race is definitely missing some pieces of our/earths past.
I'm starting to believe that humanity had a previous golden era before the younger dryas impact event. Judging by the monoliths that exist across the globe, I believe humanity was already connected at the global scale and sharing knowledge. I assume most civilizations lived by the sea or rivers near sea level and were wiped out by the global tsunami following the impact event. Any advanced tools, if made of metal, likely eroded away after several thousands of years, were melted down during times of war, or if we are lucky, are sitting in some rich person's private collection waiting to be revealed.
Amazingly beautiful. I wish the ones who made these were still among us or would come to visit... that would make for a fascinating conversation ❤️ ✨️ ❤️ Thank you Ben 🙂
For each cornice there, an awful lot of stone had to be removed. It's not like wrapping some stone around the top of something. Focusing on the decoration there is the minor thing, where the big thing is how they got that side flat. Once they did that, the cornice or molding was just finishing up.
Amazing, the boxes look like they've just come off a state of the art machine, like you say the round edging is unfinished but even the markings where its been tooled look perfect to my eye, absolutely mind blowing & boggling 🤯
INSANELY awesome craftmanship. I'm just a middle-aged woman looking at these phenomena and not a person on this planet can tell me these objects were carved by hand with prehistoric tools. Totally awe inspiring!
@@Vision_2 No, I don't think so. Imagine the strength necessary. The precision is too precise too, and then we've still got the issue of those holes tight into the corners they showed, and the sheer size of those objects.
@@roxy5154 But far more complicated granite work has been accomplished by steel hand tools. Churches, banks, government buildings, military forts, lighthouses. All without power tools.
Fantastic footage and coverage of these sites and manufactured works of the ancients. The rose-granite "alter" or "shrine" defies history books and known technology in the past thousands of years. Also the power/energy of whatever caused such a HEAVY granite box to be thrown into the sand/ground like it is, must of been spectacular to say the least. The perfect circular holes, round-cylindrical trim on the exterior, the sharp edges, the level/flat finish on the surfaces, the 4-faced pyramidal top... it's a Master piece by a master craftsman, who worked on some of the toughest stone the Earth has to offer. It blows my mind every time, and never gets old to me. I love these granite master pieces throughout the old world. They are the truth that a civilization had technology, master craftsmen, and were well organized as to excavate, transport and craft such Granite products is a massive feat. Thanks Ben, you're channel is a treasure.
I am a design engineer for a aerospace company and I completely agree with everything you are saying there is mounting evidence of ver sophisticated machining technology present Al over Egypt. I did have a thought as to the apparent missing evidence of any types of tools, if the Egyptians did have complicated and effective stone working tools it isn’t hard to believe they would have been highly sought after and even after the Egyptians could no longer understand or maintain the tools it’s likely they would have been dismantled for their valuable material.
Even by the mainstream egyptologists the dating of those amazing works is supposedly between 2500 to 3300 years ago... My answer to the arguments where are the reamins of the civilizations who were truly responsible for the ginormous amount of so precisely worked super hard stone artifacts not only in Egypt is extreme antiquity as in over 15-20k years ago so any traces are either gone or are deeply burried and not found it yet.
Google Roman Sarcophagus. They made far more intricate/ ornate versions with the hardest of stone, a few centuries later, that make these look like a toddler made them. Multiple writings by the the Romans and Greeks state they learned to work with stone from the Egyptians.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks Greeks started in this business in earnest around 2-3th century BC which is not exactly "few centuries later", the geometric precision and scale is absolutely nowhere near compare to to what is found all over Egypt, the hardest stone that they were able to work is marble with max hardness around 4,5 and as low as 3 compare to the granite 7 and they ofc were already well into the Iron Age. Ancient Egyptians had plenty of expirience working softer than granite stones on much smaller than the megalithic artifacts scale so the Greeks and the Romans learning from them and from the Fertile Crescent civilizations the craft is well established fact.It does not change the fact that say the granite boxes and their lids found in the Serapeum of Saqqara for example would pose quie the serious challenge if someone tries to replicate them nowday.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks "Intricacy" does not require advanced manufacturing methods and dimensional control. Indeed, intricacy can hide a great deal of imperfection. It is extremely difficult to maintain straightness, flatness, circularity, and symmetry on "plain" objects. These are incredibly massive workpieces - I'd think into the tens (and even hundreds) of tons, and as natural objects they inherently also contain nonuniformities and defects that would greatly complicate any machining process that was not extremely adaptive (meaning some form of automatic feedback control). Simply quarrying, transporting - and handling these objects, loading them into the machinery (or otherwise setting up), providing continuity of dimensional referencing, and then executing the operational steps to create this outcome would be an undertaking today that would require a major program in equipment technology development before such a project could even begin. I'm not aware of ANY equipment in the world today capable of this, at this scale, and I've seen a great deal in my 35 years as a practicing mechanical engineer. This is simply astounding. Even if one were to consider the idea that the stone material might have been artificially created in a molding process of some kind (which would require very high temperatures, exotic mold materials, and further equipment and a working material that does not exist today) - there are clear die-locks that would have made such a mold very complex. One can note not only the centered feature at one end of one of the columns shown - but an apparently centered female square hole on the end of another as a possible drive engagement - which indeed is entirely consistent with a huge lathing operation of some kind - one that would require significant and controlled mechanical power to maintain. One thing is absolutely certain - these objects were NOT created with hand tools. The sheer amount of labor time required, the probability of error, the extreme difficulty of dimensional control, and the absence of any evidence of tool impact marks, etc. - make this obvious to anyone who has worked stone by hand, and even those who have not (like myself).
@jcalene k. The Sarcophagus of Helena at the Vatican really does a perfectly crafted job of hiding all of your imagined imperfections. The Greeks and Romans occupied Egypt for centuries and learned and vastly improved upon egyptian stone work techniques. By hand.
As a machinist that has machined some of the toughest materials on the planet known to man , I tend to agree with all you have said in the video. One thing you possibly missed was the type of metal guide used for the cutting tool to move along. I have used ultrasonic tools to cut and I am beginning to think ultrasonics was used on the holes. We used the same technique to remove broken taps out of steel hydraulic blocks we manufactured to save the block. A copper electrode would vibrate up and down in water. Have you seen that video of the radioactive stone found in Egypt ,that vibrated violently in water?
Why exactly is that. After most believe a man lives in the clouds and thats where you go when you die........without a single piece of evidence, but yanno thats probably a whole different video.
No because the syndicate that built castles and megalithic structures like this kept everything a secret because they didn’t want other nations to copy there technology.
Wow, I can't believe it also had that edging. Yeah, I've always thought to myself that this was the mic drop of ancient stone work. I remember having to draw it up in steps to help rest my mind because I kept wondering how it was done. You can make this small scale with a block of aluminum. I mean it's possible, but doing it with a giant very heavy block of granite is just next level unimaginably difficult because of the obviously size of the machines and movements needed...and of course tools available. Hardly anyone ever seems to talk about this box. Look at that top, look at how centered it is because if off just a smidgen then it's screwed. It's like how the pyramid's sides all had to line up or else they'd be way off center at the top. It looks as if, if they wanted the top to have a sharp point, they damn well could have. Look at the flatness of everything, especially the sides of the top. Just imagine cutting that with a giant horizontal mill or band saw and traversing a table strong enough to hold that weight into the cutter at just the right speed and rotating the stone to do that 3 more times to get the same result. Then there's sharpness of edges and inside corners and drill holes..(I'm speaking about the Puma Punku H-block holes and others) How the crap are you drilling a tiny hole and in a spot like that with..copper or bronze diamond-tipped bit and a bow drill or whatever contraption people can think up? You need high RPM's for that and a carbide masonry bit..with maybe a hammer drill and the offset attachment in this instance. For the edging to be there you'll have to remove all that material surrounding it, because it's a high relief (like at Gobekli Tepi rather than the low reliefs you see with heiroglyphs) and remove all that material that was inside the box, which in machining you'd use an end mill...then of course square those rounded inside corners up because a spinning cutter only cuts round. You'd now need another machine like a slotter or broach to press down into it and chip away. And even that edging was machined..something you wouldn't even expect. It's round but started square and the cutter ran the length of it in a series of passes at different angles to make it appear round. It was so good that they didn't even need to bother sanding it. You can see the pattern here and many times you can even see how much material was removed with each pass or revolution of the blade. When sanding or grinding or using sand abrasive you won't see any of that. It'll just be smooth and it'll never ever be perfectly straight or flat. Anything done on a lathe will always be perfectly round as well and never perfectly round if done any other way. They had to set up such amazing machines and ways to move and perfectly rotate this stone that they likely made a bunch of them because of all the trouble and complexity, especially since this box has so many features. There's no way this was their first one. I mean the first one was a box..and then someone wanted a better one, and they improved upon it. I skipped over a lot, but you get the gist. Building this stuff with wood would be very difficult and they did it with stone. Why were they so obsessed with sharp edges and straight lines? They had very sharp/hard tools and precise machines. This stuff is just so amazing that it's like looking at something that shouldn't exist.. Those papyrus columns are just ridiculous..
@wheelmanstan I just want you to know, as someone with attention deficit difficulties, that your comment is so interesting that I was able to read it - albeit at my own pace - in one go, no rereading. Hey, thanks for the intelligence shared!! 👍
Absolute evidence of high tech robotics far beyond what our cnc tools can accomplish today with granite. No question. No argument. It was an extraordinary high tech culture. But where did it go? That's the mystery of mysteries.
@@anzacman5 They are us, we just forgot about it and as the state of our consciousness shifted, so did our "reality" (which is actually a dream) into a one where we are surrounded by this mystery. We kind of wanted to forgot about our divine and godly source. This is the story of Satan, Adam & Eve cast down & out from the Fullness. We are spiralling further and futher away from the Living Truth. We also used to be much larger, as human consciousness hadn't diffused into us smaller egoistical bits. Past "humans" were like complete nations in one titanic body. But also the "laws of nature" were different as the "reality" isn't a reality but a dream and interdream "realities" do not have to be consistent. This explains all of the mythical stories and deity pantheons.
Really interesting piece of engineering. I'm a tradesman with experience in stone and wood work and I can say I could drill a hole in a similar situation with a combination of a right angle drive and a tool bit that is larger in diameter than the diameter of the operating end of the right angle driver head. Of course as you said. you would need really powerful tools to accomplish something like this, especially with precision and accuracy. Here is one idea I have how these holes could have been drilled. If the shaft driving the bit was smaller in diameter than the bit, and a lever was used in the ~90 degree range of freedom available, they could've used some kind of a bearing block with a hole in the middle to brace the shaft exactly centered in the corner. They could've also used such a braced narrow shaft in combination with rope wound around it to generate force somewhere outside the box. No idea what they would've made these tools out of but definitely something tough.
Drilling the holes seems to be the simple part. How did they make the box with such precise inside corners and the outside in such an exclusive shape out of one piece of granite? I would like to see any modern company or group of people build something Similar without using power tools.
@@Richard-zc1cj i think the biggest limiting factor stopping someone from attempting this is the cost of materials and labor. That being said, what could justify such expenses being paid in the time that the box was made?
@@zackrog1270 That's a good question -- the economics of all this stonework is something that is rarely considered. An agricultural economy(which is what ancient Egypt was) generated maybe a 10 percent surplus, which frees up around 10 percent of the population to do something other than grow food. Once you subtract the bureaucrats, priests, soldiers etc you're left with a fairly small number that could work on these stone projects. To me the numbers don't add up -- you couldn't do all that monumental precision stonework in the time period given with a relatively small work force using stone and copper tools by hand.
This video was good. The first i have watched. I plan to watch many more. I have known these arguments for over 2 decades, but to see the monuments up close explained by the commentary is another experience altogether. I feel like my thoughts about history have been revolutionised.
I keep coming back to this one. This video amongst many others should be archived. Ben here shows us remarkable precision work that is not even closely explainable by 'egyptologysts'. Even further, he shows us the shrine in Edfu Temple which no one is able to see like this now, again, the corner peice that went missing. Etc. This only gets worse as years go by, Ben is doing the world a serious service documenting these peices and artifacts before they are literally removed from under our noses by other PEOPLE...
well, let say they softened it (by some AMAZING means) to the hardness butter for instance. That way they could pretty easily have sliced away the unwanted mass with something like a copper blade. The reason they did it in two stages like this (there could have been coarser stages before this point) is because they needed/wanted precision at scale and this was likely the simplest way to accomplish it. Among the Incas we see more dynamic and curvy meeting of edges, indicating that if they had the same (godlike softening) technology, they didn't care about straight lines or squares that much, but wanted tight fitting, earthquake proof structures still.
@@megalonoobiacinc4863 Sounds like a good idea. But and this is a very big but, it seems we are getting towards the machining capabilities for shaping granite, I know of no method of temporarily turning granite into the consistency of butter. A very high temperature for example in a volcano might melt it, but it would recrystalise, it would not return to being granite.
@@Digeroo123 this is all entirely unfounded speculation but, if you look into actual footage from the experiments John Hutchinson did, back when he had the equipment, he apparently demonstrated anti-gravity and fusion of materials simultaneously. Materials like wood and metal sticking through each other, fused as if one had melted, impossible if done through temperature. Hutchinson did this with some advanced mixture of multiple tesla coils and military microwave equipment, or so i heard...
thank you , the items you show never get shown . they are dumped or hidden . please more extreme close ups of the joins that just disappear and then your not sure if its solid or a extremely precise join , that we are unable to do today. blows my mind . oh and the box is stunning and disserves a place of pride . not dumped and half buried . glad you took a close look.
The whole "we couldnt do it today" argument is retarded. We have had a football sized science lab hurdeling around our planet at thousands of miles an hour since 1998 🤦
Incredible video - as always. My background is as a designer. Some other interesting points occur to me that often don't get a mention, but I feel are valid. The beauty, symmetry, finish, proportion, geometry and aesthetic of these objects is stunning and highly advanced. That doesn't just happen. It evolves in a culture over long periods of time. Many of the objects reflect earthly things. Statues have navels, fingernails... they are stylised humans, mammals. The columns depict tall palms. A culture and civilsation rooted in that location on the Nile to a large degree. These objects all have a beauty of perfection and proportion that is stunning. You would only conceive carving any of these designs from solid blocks of granite if it was fairly easy and efficient to do so. This is also evident in way that some are discarded if they crack or a mistake is made. Obviously it was fairly efficient to carve and transport massive solid objects. Many appear mass produced and near identical. It was also possible for whoever was producing the object, to map out and see the finished piece within the solid block as work was done, with incredible precision. If you have tried any type of carving you will appreciate the difficulty.
If you wanted to privately have a piece like "the shrine" made, delivered, and installed in your home... I'm not even sure you could find someone to do it. And if you could, it would take a very long time and cost millions in my guesswork.
Actually I think building this stuff would be easy with the tools they had back then Drilling the holes in the box with a bow dril wouldn't be a problem it just takes time and patience your drill bit would need to look this ]]]]]====[[[[[> You hold the end blocks hard in the corners and wrap the string around the middle offset And the sharp edges can be made precisely by using a plane and a string with a set of dividers or a gauge block The edge detail pieces I see being ground in place with multiple planes and sand/granite dust and water and a cutting media The people that built this stuff had time on there hands and I believe they worked off the barter system so they did nothing for 35 years but worked granite and all the tricks the previous gernerations learned was passed down. So since they did nothing but worked granite as they needed stuff it was given to them and they created what they needed to make it work so they wasn't looking for food they just worked granite and it became easy for them over generations. It wasn't until a few hundred years ago that a son stopped doing the same job as his father
Hi Ben. This was so well done and put together. All of the imagery and that transition from a facetted curve to a smooth curve is so impressive. The opinions of expert stone carvers in combination with your well reasoned perspective makes this evidence so amazing. Thank you !
While the incomplete artifact should give clues to how it was constructed, I have to think that the waste material might also give important clues. If, for example, the waste material was almost entirely small grains and chips, that could mean grinding and percussion was involved, but if the waste material consists of large scraps with smooth sides, that could mean cutting was involved.
I was thinking sort of the same, in wondering where is all the waste materials, for instance the 2 wholes in the top of the opening, where are the cylinders that came out of that and what details they would provide, or maybe nothing was wasted, instead repurposed.
It seems you are assuming that such work would have been done on the site the artifact sits on today in order to search for and reconstruct such fragmented waste material like the world's worst jigsaw puzzle. However that would not be the case as any civilization capable of quarrying, carving and moving such massive stones would surely not be forced to perform all work at the site it was to be erected/used. Also there is no reason to leave waste stone chips near the finished product. Even if you could find an abandoned work site with several pieces left in various stages of finishing it would be nearly impossible to reconstruct what was being done and how from waste material. Learning from waste material is unfeasible and nearly impossible, a much better and more likely construction signature to learn from would be finding examples where mistakes were made and the piece was rejected, such as over cuts, off center drilling, or angles not being squared.
@@benjamincrowley9919 I was referring to finding scraps next to incomplete artifacts, that were abandoned while being worked on. Surely the scraps weren't cleaned up. But even with regard to completed artifacts that have been removed from the worksite, I have to think that the scraps are somewhere, and if we are open to the idea we might be better prepared to identify the scraps if they are encountered.
I think it would be awesome to get more people like Alma out to Egypt to look at these artefacts and do some longer form content with their professional opinions
What I find really challenging is how, using a machine they managed the point where the horizontal molding converged on the equally machined vertical edging which is mostly missing except for the small part where they converged.
I'm a sceptic of the theory of ancient hi-tech, but this is fascinating. One question that pops into head is "why"? In a sense, the technology would dictate the outcome, so if the tech wasn't in place or invented, why would one dictate these fine lines unless they had something we don't know about?
Imagine a huge rough hewn rock standing in front of you and a papyrus plan in your hand , then having to create these objects to the exact dimensions provided ...no mistakes , no miss- measurements, every edge perfect , every facet flat and smooth . This work is NOT possible without machines , it's ridiculous to think it could be done otherwise. The answer is out there Ben , keep digging mate.
Those drill holes sitting flush with the edge is also a spectacular example of ancient know how. We under estimate these ancient dudes so much. The amount of planning and precise execution into a single box is mind blowing.
How much granite hand-working is there in aerospace machining? This has repeatedly been proven possible by use of a hand-cranked copper core drill and abrasive dust/slurry. The tight corner here makes it a bit more awkward but by no means impossible - you just can't turn the drill through 360° if using the crank, either you rotate it back and forth through 90° or you get rid of the crank and roll it around using the corner of the confining surfaces as a guide - all pretty obvious solutions which should be evident to an aerospace engineer, I believe, hell, I'm a joiner and its obvious.... But perhaps that's the point - if you work all day with machines you probably have a big blind spot in the area of hand-crafting, lile everyone else here.
@@JesseP.Watson Haha, it's actually pretty interesting to see that electricians and carpenters/joiners have the same relationships regardless of country. And yes, you were correct! Cheers!
The way the edging on the box is a circle made out of straight lines is super interesting because that’s how 3D printers and cnc machines make circles and it’s how circles look zoomed in in 3D modeling programs. The circles are formed out of a bunch of straight lines in machining and can be smoothed out a number of ways
Yeah, it’s as though multiple small milling bits were working simultaneously, or, alternatively, each facia was ‘planed’ flat, before the jig was reset at the next angle….
Watch a 3d printer print. You'll find this untrue. The layers stack and cncs remove material in the same manner. If they did cnc it, why does it look like its carved
@@1977ajax I would be curious to see a modern craftsman try to reproduce this level of accuracy with a mallet and bronze chisel on something of this scale. I'm sure somebody could get really good with enough practice. What we don't know, is just how precise is the work on that piece? +/- .01" over the length of a foot? How about the variation in thickness throughout its length? We just dont know. The other question is why was such precision necessary? If that level of precision is not necessary, why pay somebody to take so much time to try to acheive it? One more point- if carving that faceted piece (that would eventually get the facets polished to a fully rounded profile) by hand, there is absolutely zero need to make it faceted first (especially not with such accuracy). Just think about how you would carve it. If a precision machine is carving it, the precision comes automatically. I'm not saying they used milling machines (because there's none left behind) but just saying it boggles the mind.
@@cheatinggravity173 Not at all; clearly you have no experience in this field to unboggle you, that's all. Your personal incredulity counts for nothing, I'm afraid.
As a retired machinist with 40 years experience I agree with you 100%. No way we’re these made with hand tools. The question I have is how and when did these remnants get broken up and dumped where they are today?
Yeah, because this isn't a position in which the piece was when worked on for sure. But the question is, when it was cut? Are we sure it wasn't cut during the Roman empire time?
Well, are we even sure it is ancient? What seems suspicious to me is the apparent lack of weathering or erosion. Is it a modern replica that got dumped there at some point recently?
I have to say, some of the other guys - the Hancocks, the other RUclipsrs - they reach a bit. Your channel is so grounded and unbelievably better for it
Hi Ben, By trade I am a toolmaker, specifically plastic injection mould tools. One primary process we performed was 'blocking up', which is essentially establishing the datums by machining the block faces flat, parallel, and square to each other. We could then run a precision 'clock' along these faces to ensure our machines were precisely aligned with thes datums so that any machining operation aligned up correctly and at the correct location. Now, it occurs to me that if the quarrymen did this basic process of blocking up with face mills then they are all set for any consequent machining operations. You showed evidence of the precense of such 'blocking' machinery at 10:55. Blocking up at that quarry would not have been a trivial operation, so I have full awe and respect for those ancient Egyptian quarrymen. However, I suggest that the key difference with the modern techniques outlined above, and what they had available at the time was that rather than rig separate machinery around the stone block to match datums (with the exeption of the blocking machinery), they may have used the stone edges and faces as datums to directly perform further machining operations. This could, for example, be by mounting a corner block of stone that would slide along an edge with arms mounted that held tools at the correct offset to perform their cutting operation in a precise repeatable manner. This method lends itself well to block type operations, but leaves the question of the more organic machining open to further suggestions. Regardless of how they ancient Egyptians did it, I remain in awe and wonder of their designs, conceptions and executions of some of the most beatifull stonework to be found anywhere in the world.
Still does not explain how they made giant boxes out of granite, out of ONE PIECE of granite, with precision inside corners, and laser flatness inside and out. Granite companies have been shown this work and said they could not reproduce that.
@@davestephens8033 It partially explains it. It helps to imagine yourself doing what I described above. To me, the most difficult part would be hollowing out the cavity. A jack hammer would be the ideal tool here. They may have instead sped it up by using disc cutting tools, of which there is evidence of there use. It would have been extremely difficult and highly skilled stonework, but there it is for all to see. No tools, no skill, no granite box. Simple. They had the skills, they had the tools. The central mystery is why the tools aren't documented or laying in the ground somewhere.
@@QuentinRowe-ww6gm Its not a mystery. These fantastic precision works are from the earliest times in Egypt. Its been pretty well shown that these much older works were REPURPOSED by much later dynasties. This is why we see painting of workmen using hard rock pounders, when we know for SURE nobody could use use hard rock pounders to make laser perfect flat surfaces. All this precision work just immediately STOPPED, and what came after were real crude piling of natural stones to make low walls etc. The question remains WHO did all this perfect machining and statues that follow geometric 3D planes like you would carve a statue with CNC technology. And all these precision works ended at the same times on Earth. So if you have PROOF that these works EXIST, and they are all over the planet using the same precision techniques, and suddenly no more works like that were being made, WHO WAS IT that did these works? And the only real answer is that there WAS a civiization of high technology that was destroyed in a single world wide event. This event exists all over the Earth in sedementary sand beds as black layers in the sand, and in the stories of a world wide deluge that exists also all over the world, the SAME event. 26,000 years ago seems to crop up alot in these visible signs. If a world wide event wiped out most of all life on Earth in our time right now, 26,000 years from now its like there will be no evidence of cell phones or computers or cars. Everything smashed to bit and corroded away. Archaeologists keep their own made up mythologies and insist that we are the most advanced civilization ever, yet we can't duplicate the granite Bull "coffins" out of one SINGLE piece of stone. Granite companies said they could only do it by bolting single flat pieces together to make a box. Our entire history is a lie. There have been so many artificats embedded in coal strata, made by completely unknown civilizations and archaeologists don't know what to do with that, and their explanations are often more ridiculous than not. Most of their beliefs come from the 1800's and are written in stone and dare not defy old textbooks. They are more a priesthood than scientists.....
It's even more fascinating when you find out there are many many sites around the world that are not very well known that are built of of massive stones that we would have trouble moving today
As a tradesman, I don't ever leave my tools on a job site when I leave... We pack up things and take them with me to the next site. Now little things, blades, broken handles, etc... will sometimes get left behind. " Advanced tooling" wouldn't get left behind. Finding those tools would be huge. Food for thought, and just my 2 cents. Have a good day
Yeah and they either removed all evidence of them or never recorded any details about them despite documented evidence of all their other tools, tools that have been found, replicated and are proven to work.
Yea I get the feeling what they used to do it was thinking out of the box and this video doesn't really do that. In this video he basically says if these recorded tools cant do it then it must have been advanced machinery or tools like electric grinders to make. I think whatever they used was extremally advanced and clever for its time but i don't think it means they somehow had electrical equipment. Some of these things may have taken so long to make that one person couldn't even make it in his lifetime. I will say the precision and scale of some of these are just baffling to the mind but i get the feeling some of us underestimate just how crafty, stubborn and smart humans can be.
You know they HIDE these things too. I read about one museum a guy went to and in one closet in an Egyptian museum, the guy found all these very big TUNING FORKS. They had no idea what they were or what they were for, so they hid them away without a thought. Christopher Dunn theorized that hole drilling used some kind of ultrasound vibratory method to do high speed granite drilling. Hmmmmm, tuning forks VIBRATE. Nope, hidden away, can't look at them.
@@billfred9411 The claims of precision almost never have a source. They don't tell you what measuring tools were used or the method and when other people try to measure these "precise" objects they find that it's not precise at all. You're right about the time taken though. Some of the items shown are estimated to have taken a crew of workers two years to make.
What a great insight! Clear proof that shaping the objects is at least a 2 step process. Also one can to a degree see the "resolution" of the rough cut. Or how much material they took away before moving on to the next step.
Man, the quality of the hieroglyphs on that one box is stunning. I’ve heard you talk about how astoundingly accurate the construction is, with light tests, lasers etc., but the outline around the border of the glyphs look to run laser parallel to the box itself, on top of looking incredibly even in depth. I can’t imaging how you would write with that kind of accuracy on stone, without somewhat modern technology.
Which begs the question, was the surface prior to cutting the proud detail also as flat and smooth? Wouldn't it need to be in order to run any kind of brace or jig? If so, the work has just taken on another level of complexity and difficulty.
@@DigtlNativ if there were giants before the Flood, and people who lived for several hundred years, maybe size and lifespan weren't the only human capabilities that were superhuman compared to us. For example, maybe it was normal for them to be able to draw a perfectly straight line as long as they wanted. If they had sharper minds and eyes than us, and steadier hands, then their version of hand-made is something we can only achieve with machine tools.
@@customsongmaker Could that be within the realm of possibility? Perhaps. But you're missing one key point...giants would be more likely to survive a flood than humans because their heads would stay above water for longer. Statistically speaking that means more giants would've survived than short little humans, and giants do not currently populate earth. How do you explain this discrepancy 🤔
I was trained in the now dead trade of Swiss-style toolmaking as a Westinghouse apprentice in the early 1970's. We would make high precision parts by machining them close to finish size and then finish by hand. The more common pieces made this way were air bearings and a gas tight seal for a turret that weighed several tons that had to seal natural gas in the turret bearing. We did this by floating the complete assembly on .008 thick oil. It not only held the gas in the machine, but 1 person could turn it like a roulette wheel. These pieces were all finished with abrasives, usually imbedded in tin or copper forms. If we had a place on the part that we could use to guide these "saddles" that were cut to the shape we were making. If we didn't have that we would make a temparary guide. What I am trying to say is the tools and materials that we used were known to these people and we were still using these methods 52 years ago.
Thank you for raising these points. Why does everyone want to assume there was some ancient form of super-intelligence, mysticism, or alien influence? Ancient humans weren't dumb and had to be resourceful enough to survive
To be clear, your comment says that you used machines in creating those parts. I suppose you are implying that you didn't have to, and you presumably did that to save time... But your comment doesn't say you made those parts without the aid of machines. You are making some assumptions - such as implying things would be as straight, as precise, etc., if you didn't use those machines for shaping - but you can't be sure that that's the case unless you have experience doing so. In which case your comment would have been just that you made parts that accurately without using machines.
@Andrew Hopkins I'm also a machinist. There are techniques in machining that do not require machines or that can be done on simple machines that would have been available or conceivable at that time. For instance in order to make a stone as precisely flat as possible you would rub it with two other stones alternately. A really good example of something done by hand that is extremely precise is hand scraping. You can look videos of hand scraping up here on RUclips. There's a ton. You don't need machines for all precision work
@@andrewhopkins3397 To be clear he did say they machined to near final size but that was steel. It is much more resistant to sheer forces than rock and would take much longer to machine. Although stone is much harder it has very little strength in sheer as compared to metals. That is why you can flake off large chunks with primitive tools. Similarly, the surfaces can be quickly ground flat using abrasives. All of the high spots will simply sheer right off.
@@ryanthede4689 I get there are processes that don't require machines. I was replying to the original post, where he is trying to make the point that the ancient cultures didn't need machines, and his evidence of that claim is a description of where he used machines in the exact same way as is described in this video. It's just a ridiculous post to make.
In a French debunk documentary, a stone worker did a marvellous finish surface on granit with a copper tool and rock friction in front of us . And he discovered that when he turn the tool on the other side when dull it sharpen itself . In those time there was no salary and leisure activities like tv , they had beliefs , time and fear of rulers and gods. That s why with our present mind we don t understand that amount of work for … nothing 🤷🏻♂️ make people work, not think , so you keep the control 👍
I swear one day they'll uncover a Granite table made with seamless dovetails and dowels then Egyptologists will come out and talk about how they were made with pounding stones and copper tools.
Wow, excellent presentation and you made an excellent case here worthy of more attention. Machinist here and the only thing I would like to add is perhaps the faceted rough cut on the edging was made by some sort of a guided/tracked carving tool as opposed to rotary cutter. Either way, there is no doubt in my mind that whoever fashioned these stones absolutely were not simply using hand chisels and hammers.
Hmm, I like the idea of a tracked cutting tool. That makes more sense, and it certainly would have been possible in their time. I was previously suggesting a chisel tipped with carborundum/ silicon carbide/ moissanite but it could have been a scraper with such a hard tip brazed to it. If they had the ability to braze silicon carbide to bronze tools, all this really fine work work makes WAY more sense since they had no steel.
@@cheatinggravity173 i think it had to be a mill though. if it was strokes then the finish would be very rough , or the passes very thin and takes ages to finish. also the forces the cut even thin strokes would need a massive modern shaper to be rigid enough to not jam and crash. those facets are a simple way of hogging of material with a mill. a very illogical way stroking. especially since massive amounts of stock was already removed
@@josephpowell6009 looking into this subject is new for me; I had NO IDEA just how much hate and vitriol is spewed by those who think along more traditional lines towards anybody who says there is some other tool at work here besides just silica and aluminum oxide (sand) abrasives and wood, stone, and copper. People really have divided themselves into two camps that will never agree on anything regardless of proof, common sense, or logic. What I see after a little more digging is just more proof confirming some of the accuracy acheved by ancient Egyptians is on par with the work being done today's machine tools. And zero proof that anybody of recent times that has used the abrasive and copper chisel method to achieve anywhere close to the kind of quality work the ancient Egyptians did. Im still not saying machine tools were used, but I am saying is that there is no way they didn't have harder tooling to work with such as carborundum/ moissanite from a meteorite or some other type of carbide. *possibly* hardened steel but I doubt it. There certainly were diamonds available to them, as they can be found in meterorite impacts as well but thier grain structure is more prone to fracturing than manufactured diamonds. Still usable as abrasive, just dowsnt seem like there would be nearly enough quantity to work with as an abrasive. Diamond's impact toughness is terrible. They say "like cuts like" (in regards to hardness) but what I'm seeing with modern attempts at bowl making, and in my own experience working with many different materials, not with good accuracy. Example: make a rectangular granite box with perfect inside corners with .030" radius and flat surfaces to within +/-.004" like I've seen the ancient egyptians make. Not some stupid easy shallow round bowl with some grooves in it that looks like it was made by a kid in high school. It's those square inside corners that are hard to make because there is very little stroke length the closer you get to the corner, and round tools such as tube drills don't make square inside corners and have to be finished in some other way. To abrade away the material down to a fine corner? Someone please show me how they did it 3-4000 years ago with bronze, stone, and sand.
Fascinating content here. Thanks for posting this one!!👍. As a machinist and mechanic I can fully appreciate the amount of craftsmanship that has gone into a lot of things that cannot be duplicated with tools & machinery in use today . It truly boggles my mind as to just how much of this was made . Maybe some day we will know for sure .
Working with stone for a couple years now, granite is strong but fragile. It wouldn't take well to hammer and chisels because it is a conglomerate. The unfinished side of the bull nose actually demonstrates shaving down as you would expect to see from a pass by a diamond bit of a high speed rotation tool. There is evidence of milling and its another example that we know very little of a time long past !
My theory is thousands of years ago the rock was just softer. Some people don't like such a simple explanation but it's highly plausible that the rock hardened over time through metamorphosis. It is already fact that rocks can grow heavier over time which takes thousands or millions of years. Most people I talk to about this hate that theory though because 1, we can't travel back in time to prove it, 2, it throws out the need for high powered tools since the rock was softer and 3, people just don't like simple answers for seemingly huge mysteries. In fact I'm nearly set in stone ( no pun intended ) that granite and all megalithic rock structures weighed significantly less thousands and thousands of years ago. I honestly feel it's a mystery people don't actually want to solve because it's just fun speculating and keeping the conversation going. But I'm going with, the rocks were just lighter in weight back then. The second most plausible theory is chemists knew how to soften the rock to make it easy to work. I just think if they had high powered tools they would have been building things from metals. Someone would have eventually said "hey if this saw blade is strong enough to cut the rock wouldn't the blades material be strong enough to build things with?"
@@Unmaleable grinding those flats is easy and doesnt need the rock to be soft. one need an equal as hard slab, a grinding media (sand/natural corundum grit) and a wooden simple jig to keep the angle to prevent overshooting. the sand lowers points of contact, increases surface pressure per area by orders of magnitude and breaks out pieces of the the rock. same principles behind a modern rock drill. This technique is used to flatten synthetic and natural whetstones rather quick, way harder and more uniform than granite
@@Unmaleablesofter rock doesnt really explain the precision of the work. Also, imo, if a culture can cut rocks semmingly as easy as the people who made these boxes.... why produce metal structures that decay over time when they could easily produce stone structure that can withstand time.
Being in granite and marble manufacturing. I can confirm that you could technically drill those holes flush against two axis. The trick would be to reduce the size of the head that the core bit fits too. Love your work Ben keep it up 👍
Or a same size head as bit and you could wedge it in the corner and use it as a stabilizer and guide. Or a squared head the rights itself when pressed into the corner.
You start with a small hole, that way you can reach into the corner with space, and then you open the hole up with whatever grinding tool they used that has a smaller shaft on the end that doesn't interfere with the straight surface right flush with.
Another great video. I love how you focus in on the incredible and anaomalous aspects of the artefacts and sites in your videos. I notice that you are a little more confident in pointing out the conclusions of what you observe (which are totally earth shattering). Add together all this evidence and you have an astounding technological profile for a presence that existed in the past. To list the technological capabilities would sound like a science fiction story. As Plato wrote about the 'Labyrinth' - you cannot describe all the detail since people would start to question your sanity (I cannot remember the precise quote but that is the gist of it ).
I completely agree with your opinion about the shaping, boring, core drilling, and finishing work required for these hard stones. You are right, such work can only be accomplished using high-tech and high-precision masonry equipment. Interestingly, the individuals who performed these tasks did not leave behind any equipment, which makes it difficult to identify them. Thus, it seems, we may never know who executed this impressive feat.
It's one thing to have a small number of master stone carvers as there was during the Renaisance even though each carver had a signature style. To produce the volume of work found in Egypt, it would take many thousands of the best carvers the world has ever seen and with a direct standard of size, finish, and style. To duplicate the same items over and over in near perfect duplication, there would have to be precise measuring devices to insure the "standard" is held within specs.
I currently am a monument maker that works with granite, marble, and limestone. Some of the finished surfaces and tool marks and shapes on the stones in the video look straight out of my shop I work in. We use diamond tipped blades, core drills, polishing wheels, and wire saws, and end up with nearly the same finishes (maybe a bit more consistent at points but still). I can only imagine that some sort of mechanical setups had to be used in the production and finishing of these stones. Maybe powered by wind/water/animals but then mechanically transferred to bronze or copper cutting tools. Ancient Egypt had the wealth to do it, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Great video. Machining is written all over the examples shown in your video. The cylindrical shapes have a circular end and centering hole on the opposite side, just like a lathe. These machines had to be enormous.
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At this point should the narrative be taken to "why are you lying" when addressing academia and so-called archaeologist? You, Brien Foerester and many others have presented a fantastic case for ancient high tech. Only a fool would believe these artifacts were produced by crude pounding tools.
Thank you Ben!
@@sailingaeolus archeologists have zero clue about advanced machining
Both the cornice (column end piece) & columns were cut on huge lathes. I see programmable lathe work plain as day. So let me explain what tools are still on the world's great stone worksites. A house & a large building are built similarly, so I'll use a house as my example because it's simpler. First, a surveyor drives up, gets out his tools, does his survey, puts his tools back in his truck and drives away with his tools.
Next, a truck drives up with a bulldozer, he brings out the bulldozer, clears the site, puts his bulldozer back in his truck and drives away with his bulldozer. Notice his bulldozer is his tool and he leaves with his tool. Next, a truck drives up with a steam shovel, he brings out the steam shovel, digs the basement, puts his steam shovel back in his truck and drives away with his steam shovel. Notice again his steam shovel is his tool and he leaves with his tool. This same pattern continues over and over. Front end loaders, back hoes, concrete trucks, cranes, the trucks drive up and leave with the tools they bring. Artisans do the same: cement workers, carpenters, heating men, plumbers, electricians, this list goes on & on, everyone brings their tools and leaves with their tools. No one leaves construction tools behind.
But when the house is done it is common for a few tools to still be there, a broom, a mop, a bucket and a rag. It's the janitor's tools. And it's exactly same at the great stone worksites. Have you ever met even one person who bought a house with a steam shovel the construction crews just accidentally left out in the back yard and forgot to take with them when they were done with it? Of course not. The very idea that construction tools would be found at great stone worksites is pure fantasy born out of abject ignorance and a touch of insanity. The craftsmen who built the world's great stone worksites were the elite of the elite, they brought the world's most specialized tools with them when they came, and they took their tools with them when they left. Their tools were unimaginably highly valued. The tools that are still there belong to janitors, maintenance & royal graffiti artisans. And valued like a broom.
Good luck dude
A few things I'd consider.
1- In the circular drill holes that have a bottom. I would like to vacuum whatever dust remains at the end/bottom, in hope that some evidence of the abrasive might still exist. Even modern day diamond coring drill bits could leave a clue.
2- Once cleaned of any dust, I'd cast the last point of contact at the bottom, and scan the last moment of contact. That would possibly show the clearest scratches of abrasion.
3- Similarly the huge stone boxes with the perfect right angle interior corners. I'd look to the corners for a microscopic image. Scanned and/or cast to see the last stroke in making those corners. Abrasive? Chisel? Other?
4- And make with our current tools, something to parallel those features for compare. i.e. What does the last stroke from the tools, show. Scratch? Dent? Nothing, even at the microscopic level?
Forsure!
Yeah I'm pretty sure it was all done using chicken bones.
@@jsmnzgb ok where do I find it
@@jsmnzgb "online" where??
These questions will never be answered by them lmfao.
youtube: 20 Mechanical Principles combined in a Useless Lego Machine for the answer
The thing that amazes me about this box is the audacity of the stonecarvers. By cutting all these shapes into the finished object, the carver guaranteed that even one slight error would result in a ruined box. Unless there are hundreds of failed, ruined, partially finished boxes for each complete box, it would seem an impossible task.
Great point. After a while observing all the stone artifacts the confidence of the builders is palpable.
Technology is indistinguishable from magic and that's the part that gets me, just the sheer mass production of the stuff is something else entirely. How unremarkable this box was in its day, that's what's remarkable.
@@seanzibonanzi64 If we set aside enough of the insistent assumptions of mainstream Egyptologists then it becomes possible that whoever fashioned these objects either had far longer to build all of it, as in thousands of years longer or they had far better tools if not both. Of course the possibility that whoever that was may not be the same or even not connected to the Dynastics credited with it is something that the status quo will never want to consider. It's also important to remember that to speak bluntly there's a great deal of public and professional corruption and graft in all levels of Egyption society. This means that when Zawi Hawes acts like anyone questioning the orthodoxy is trying to take his status, house and life that's exactly what we're doing because that's precisely what the culture is.
You underestimate how good somebody can get at a craft when that's all they do in their entire life.
That is the point.... We see nowhere how they tried to carve these boxes.
It amazes me how many people take the academic tale for granted.
There is a whole piece of our history wiped out. And the idea that there was a highly developed civilization before 12.000 years ago is ridiculed.
Every time I see those pieces at the start it blows my mind...It just looks so modern and precise.
Makes you almost wonder if they are...
@@PetraKann Everything is so straight and perfect that they ALL use the same angles to show them...hope he doesn't use his own 3d scans he was showing to convince himself, since the faceted part in his scan is not perfect, not straight, and even wanders of its direction sitting way lower on one site...
@@avamasquerade There are examples of this level of precision all over ancient Egyptian sites.
Even in this video, there is an example of a finished version of the stone box, which ancient Egyptians inscribed with hieroglyphics. It's the same design and everything.
Did you guys actually watch the video?
@@PetraKann as always when there is evidence (as shown in his own 3d scan) it gets ignored, if there isn't its a big thing...nothing to believe, its in the video.
It looks the opposite of modern. This style is ancient
I'm a lifelong machinist and fabricator. Retired now, but still using CNC mills and lathes. The facets on the edging are without a doubt made with some kind of precision machine. There is no way you could do that by hand. And going a step further there are currently two types of precision machines. Manual and computerized. Manual where the axis controls are turned by hand, and CNC where they are turned by computer. The flared columns while also made by machine were probably computer controlled because it's very hard if not impossible to do those curves on a manual machine. Another thing to think about is the cutting tool. You would need something at least as hard as diamond. Anything else would not be able to cut these long cuts without changing the tool which would invariably leave marks.
What are your thoughts on them using water ? The Nile was large and flowing then. Could they have made a high pressure gravity water jet? Possibly even using air pressure as well ? I dont know how high if a psi could be obtained using what the "history" books say was available. I know they found the Disk,.and to me it looks like it could generate velocity. Tubes/pipes would have been easy, well designed water wheel, and thick walled clay cylinder to hold and build air pressure. That would be added towards the end of the water to gain cutting power
There is no way YOU can do it by hand. Its a failure of your tiny mind, thinking that ancient egyptians were somehow dumber than you. Failing completely to realize that these things were designed and built by GENIUSES. Obviously you aint one of those.
si des personnes auraient pu faire le travail avec des machines nous aurions des preuves, or on voient des polissage dans tout les sens donc manuellement.
I've always wondered where the diamond cutting blades are, and adding computer tech to the theory is super interesting!
Could easily be done by hand. Like an abrasive plane. Made of stone. Ran along at an angle set in a wooden cradle with the weight of stone providing down force.
Ben!!! Congrats dude!! On JRE finally! I was hoping that would happen. So happy for you. Your very excellent channel will really blow up now. Lol. This is awesome. I think people are really starting to understand that our history is very different that what we have been told. It's great seeing you and Jimmy both on JRE. The more people start looking into it the more the paradigm will start to shift
Thank you Joe & Jimmy !!
I just came her to congratulate you on that aswell Ben. It was super interesting and fun. Keep up the great work!!!
From 1 Aussie to another, you rock Ben, I was listening to JRE the 4 hour podcast and was totally blown away, I love what you’re doing and if I could go back in time, I’d be doing what you are. Living the dream for sure and makes absolute sense what you’re saying about the vases 🤩🤯, blew my mind.
I am now binge watching your videos on RUclips and love your work.
Please stay the bloke telling us the truth as you have seen and learnt through your career.
You should do tours and take old farts 💨 like me that would love to do digs and just feel like we are helping you spread awareness of all the common sense answers about the machinery and technology that we may never know how “They” did what they did.
Keep blowing our minds and you explain everything so well you can’t help but get excited about what you have found and accomplished in your life.
Sincere Thanks and Best wishes for the future 😊
Thanks so much.
Soon the voice of Zahi Hawasssssssss will be forgotten because he merely just didn't think it was important to start a youtube channel and be humble
7:50 bro, smelting. so easy lol
Does anyone else start feeling conspiratorial when hearing previously open sites are now closed to the public? It's tragic enough we'll likely never know exactly what knowledge and technology was lost, but to have investigation artificially obstructed by governments is infuriating.
You got to be arrogant to think that we were the first civilization I think us humans been walking around for 250,000 years and we've been hit with meteor showers and Extinction events
We may once Hawass and his cronies get moved on.....
Have you been there? Do you know that this site actually is closed to the public? Do you know why sites are closed and reopened?Are you aware of the seasonality of the Egyptian sites? This channel has proved itself to be an unreliable narrator that spreads ignorance with no contribution to advancement of our knowledge of the subject. Instead their sole purpose appears to be to promote unfounded ideas for their benefit and for attention but to the detriment of actual science.
It's not that surprising that the country wants to protect their priceless ancient artifacts from whatever random person might stumble in from any corner of the globe and abuse the site.
No: many sites are being closed because the sheer numbers of people visiting them threaten their destruction.
It's like an archeologist in the far future claiming we first broke the sound barrier in a wood and fabric bi-plane.
I was 99.9% certain that there have been civilizations that are much more ancient and much more technologically advanced than the ones we normally study in history. But after this video, I have been brought to 100%. Very, very well done!
moi plus du tout cherche les détails
Oh yeah? How are you so convinced when they didn’t tell you which civilization was more advanced? There is no evidence of machines they may have used, right? There is no evidence the Egyptians didn’t build these and they kept great records. There is no DNA evidence of this alleged ancient civilization, right? They would have not taken wives or had offspring, lol. 😂😂😂
Patrick, you started your comment with “oh,yeah?” what are we, 14 years old? Catastrophic global events killed off the dinosaurs, except for birds. That couldn’t have happened to the humans? Egyptians didn’t have records of not building the pyramids? They also didn’t have records of how they built the pyramids, if they actually did. And there are no tools that have been found that would have been needed for a lot of the ancient architecture. And if these earlier advanced civilizations were hundreds of thousands of years ago, or 1 million or more years ago, there would be nothing left to show that they were here except for massive stone structures like they left for us to see. “Oh, yeah?” LOL at you, lad. Learn to think for yourself and not just buy into what is handed to you by the keepers of the status quo.
I saw a documentary that asked the question, 1 million years from now what would last that would prove that we had lived. And their answer was possibly the Hoover dam would be the only thing left from our civilization.
@@leonjambondior-t6j quels détails ?
Another great presentation. Having been a machinist for 40 years I feel certain that the features of the structures shown in this video could not have been accomplished with the tools attributed to the Egyptian civilization of this period. Perhaps the builders of all these amazing structures left and took their tools with them. Thanks Ben and keep them coming.
They could have left the tools in a pile beside it, and they would have been dust thousands of years before the egyptians crawled out of the mud. If we disappeared today, the only things left of us in 5000 years would be stone and bone.
most major civilizations around the world seem to have been started by Atlantean survivors who spread out after the cataclysm ended the Ice Age, and this is why so many cultures speak of "white gods" coming from the sea/sky, but you didn't hear that from me.
I know I always leave my expensive tools behind at a job site! Ha, it's like the "experts" never left the Art History building.
@@flowerpt Good point! And when you consider over 90% of the Sahara is desert up to 30m thick, how do we know what’s under there? New discoveries are being made all the time. If the Sahara was luscious and green when we (ancient tech advocates) believe the actual builders lived, then their tools could still be under there
Or the tools used to cut and shape the granite blocks were destroyed by following civilization’s just
like the Talaban we’re destroying 2 and 3 thousand year old statues for maybe the same reason…
Thank you very much Ben! You are hands down one of the best channels on YT for these topics! Much love and Merry Christmas to you and yours Ben!💕💕💕
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Id def agree
Good one Ben. Excellent choice to show precision machining.
It’s undeniable
Thanks again mate
It was cast.
@@stewartoonagh definitely not cast. The stone blocks were carved from a quarry. No evidence of cast or concrete infrastructure that predates Roman era.
I am a self-taught CAD and CNC user for hobby guitar projects. Watching this was like being reminded of the design and machine milling toolpath strategies I have learned in the last six years. 😮
Cool story nerd.
@@BikingVikingHH What a jerk...
Ben, this is by far the most convincing evidence yet for ancient high technology. I'll be sharing the video. Thanks!
Really enjoy the direction your vids come from - something lacking in most others.
Man, I cannot begin to tell you how much watching your HD vids along with your excellent commentary and insight blows me away! One of the most frustrating things about Egypt is knowing that we'll probably never know how or who created these masterpieces (it's like having an itch on your back that you can never quite reach). I'll probably never have the opportunity to visit Egypt but at least your high-def videos can give me a close up view as if I was there! Much thanks!
chill out man
@@TamirHalperin It's called passion.
i agree man. I was just going to say something similar. These videos are incredible.
Thank you Ben for the incredibly well curated shot and explained footage of the world’s most incredible artifacts. You inspired me to go to Egypt and Peru this year, thanks to you I had a list of artifacts to see for myself, this shrine, the lotus columns, the sphinx, valley temple, serapeum, the hard stone vases, sacsayhuaman, the coricancha, ollantaytambo. Even though I was prepared everything was more incredible in person. I will have to join you on a future expedition.
I would enjoy your perceptions of the artifacts you saw. I have been to Peru but not Egypt. I'm curious how you felt about the things you saw.
I've worked with marble both with hand tools and with power tools. I've worked with CNC machines and I've done construction work. The work there on those holes are incredible, very difficult to make
Call me old.fashioned,but I still prefer shaping marble and granite with freguency.And maybe it is a bit autistic,but the larger stones I move with audio frequency.
I make these holes exactly like this, in 1 day, by hand. Just as precise and difficult to reach as here. And it takes me 1 day to make the hand tools. The problem with these kinds of videos is mass hypnosis. If you say long enough, that it can't be done, only the possibility that aliens did it remains. It can be done, by hand, by allmost everybody.
Hm I mean the drill tip could just be made wider than the shaft, while the shaft is hold against the corner with two square blocks.
The shaft of the drill can be turned by a chain or a belt.
But the forces needed to be applied to work granit would mean either they had already modern style bearings to hold the shaft or would need to replace the blocks and the shaft constantly, as the drill dust would act like sandpaper in the meeting faces of both (in addition to normal wear).
Without modern bearings it's also hard to see how this drilling could be finished in a endless amount of time. I mean you can't drill the holes for a year or two, that's just bonkers - I mean there's several tons of stone needed to be removed elsewhere on the box.
Smoking gun. It was done by t rex's
@@RubenKelevra Those drill holes was made in about a days work,,with the technique you mentioned, a copper grind drill and a belt. easy peasy
The facets being so consistent and over a large area really does make this artifact invaluable for the technology argument. Excellent work as always!
The faceted surfaces on the unfinished work is just outstanding just undeniable evidence to anyone who works or has knowledge of machine work
Agree. They are PERFECTLY straight, even and precise.
Also those circular boreholes. Impossible to do by hand. No hand/tool would fit as they are flush with the surface.
This is painfully untrue. The "machine" needed for those facets is a straightedge.
@@tonyennis1787 because you can cut granite with a "straight edge"? 😂😂😂
@@emartinezr there are a few things here, cutting versus marking. The poster is amazed that the lines were so precise. He shouldn't be. The cutting is a thing. The comment is 2 months old, I'm not rereading the thread.
The faceting is exactly how a modern CNC machine cuts hard metals. It makes a series of rough passes with a larger tool before coming back with a smaller tool to remove the final bits of material and get a finished look. It does this because using the smaller tool that can make the clean finish to remove that much material would damage the tool or be way too slow.
Been a thing in hand stone carving for a long while as well, not to mention wood.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
Yes some of this is hard to explain. However some of it can be done using the exact same stone that it’s crafted from and rotating hand tools granite sand with water.
Happy as always to get a notification from Ben uploading a new video.
Love these videos!!! Please keep them coming!!! 💞 Merry Christmas
Why does "old guard" archeology have such power over history? Archeologists aren't experts on how to craft stone. Yet they decide how these ancient works of stone were made?
Archeologists need to stick to graverobbing and we need to listen to real scientists and engineers!
keep posting Ben . I love watching your channel
Bravo, sir! Your dedication is seriously inspiring, your content is absolutely enthralling...as granite goes.
Granite is the only rock that man cannot reproduce and it has polonium halos in it that proves it was created instantly!!!!
Excited to see that you are scanning the granite fragments!
I have been following Graham, Randall and Jimmy for several years now and love the outside the mainstream thinking. Your knowledge on these ancient artifacts and how the technology was lost is so fascinating. Great job on Rogan by the way. Keep doing what your doing man! 👏
I dont see how anyone can deny ancient tech
Truth!!!. But some people can't define a woman from a man nowadays , yet they have the remarkable proofs in front of them.
Must be blind. Sorry to hear.
seriously people think ancient civilizations were stupid. we’re the stupid ones polluting our mother earth with plastic, toxic gas, dumping waste into bodies of water. Texas has had over 200 earthquakes this year due to fracking. i mean wtf are we doing ppl!?!?
Ask history with Kayleigh 🤣🤣🤣💯🦾👽🦾 she's trashing everyone who opposes mainstream.
@@wiseguywill4 fracking has nothing to do with hurting " mother Earth". World wide pollution especially from shit holes like India and China are a huge problem
It is undescribable how excited I get when I see that you have created another video. Thank you so much for your amazing work and insight. 🤠👍
Ben, keep making videos my friend 👍.
I haven't done much with stone but I've machined other materials and I'm genuinely impressed with the craftsmanship here. Yeah, the faceted part is really important but the shot that to me is most indicative of multi axis CNC machine work is 18:53 This view shows how a complex concave curve transitions around a 90 degree corner. I mean look at it. It isn't just a half circle cut into the profile. It looks perhaps parabolic or logarithmic. This is a pretty complex thing to cut. Furthermore, the size of the piece coupled with the precision of it is REALLY impressive. Making a precision cutting tool is one thing. Making a really big precision cutting tool is something totally different. Whatever they used to make this thing was amazing.
When I see all of those core drill holes in the video I can't help but laugh about the idea of some poor slob trying to cut them with a copper tube because I've cut holes like that in concrete when I was an electrician's apprentice. Granite? With a bow and copper tube? Not happening. 🤣 Cutting a 3" or 4" diameter hole 6" deep in concrete (soft as cheese compared to granite) with a big, electric, core drill bolted to the floor with drop in anchors used to take like half an hour to an hour. Granted, we had an old clapped out core drill that wasn't the latest greatest but it took two of us to carry it inside and it must have had at least a half horse electric motor on it.
great comment, thanks
Thank you so much for your input on this subject. I'm just a curious dumbass stoner but I am so fascinated of ancient societies... what secrets do they hold that we do not know 🤔 😭
You have hit the nail on the head here Sir! and described accurately what is a required from a practical standpoint! Again, so called "experts" choose to ignore a practical person like yourself and the brilliant 30 year plus expert stone mason and artist in the video. Why is the main stream experts so very scared of the truth?? probably academia stuck in time and boring reputations!
Doesn't it stand to reason that these cuts were made in the modern (ish) day with proper stone-cutting tools then? I mean, it'd be a fascinating topic to discuss, though numerous channels would have to alter their subject matter and foundational theories to accommodate and adequately explore the possibilities...
@@avamasquerade the thing is, we'd have trouble making this today with literally anything other than a giant CNC machine.
Im a stone mason but i cannot imagine making these magnificent granite boxes with extreme precision by using only a chisel or pounding it with a rock its damn impossible.
Finally! I have been waiting for a closer look at this box. Another aspect about these artifacts that really breaks my mind (besides how they were made) is the design they chose for these massive objects. Every lip, every edge, every shape is a decision made in stone. Are they only cosmetic designs or do they have some specific purpose? Do they have a deeper meaning? And why is so much of the stuff they left behind unfinished?
They built it with a rock!
A lot of stuff was left behind because they were hit by a great flood. That’s just a random idea I’m throwing out there but it sorta makes sense.
A shattering earthquake?
Evidence at other sites of a searing blast... meteorite strike?
@@ylemscalamity or war or natural disaster or punishment from God,
Why we can't think of a powerful civilisation that destroyed because of God's punishment
Like we see how the old big flood story is in every culture
@@ylemscalamity A flood should leave debree from where the water came from all over. Haven't ever heard of that being found all around.
Unbelievable evidence and footage! The more I learn and see about the ancient stone work, the more I know this was not done with hand tools. That box and those enormous columns are absolutely amazing pieces of work. Clearly done with heavy machinery and high speed cutting bits. Man I wish I could see what really was going on at that time!
Well done Ben. Those boxes are deceptively simple. Our ancestors were absolute masters of their stone-cutting craft. Keep up the good work!
As an engineer and having a lot of construction work experience I have zero doubt that box made by advanced tools. So there's 2 possibilities:
1. Either advanced, I repeat, advanced civilization existed.
2. Or it's made by modern tools and droped there to attract tourists.
you forgot precast stone.
I love the 3D scans! Also fantastic close ups of the precise edges and corners. The stonework is in pristine condition (apart from damage), despite being thousands of years old. It is awe-inspiring. We cannot imagine what machinery was used by 'primitive' craftsmen, and there is not the slightest piece of evidence anywhere. This is pre-Egyptian without doubt!
I'll bet anything that they found the machines and they have hidden them from the public like they have hidden the giant skeletons that have been found everywhere!!!
They will do anything to protect their false Theory of evolution!!!
you do realize it is fake though right?
@@johnmatacola8867 You do realize that's impossible to fake though right? You do realize you sound like a fool for even suggesting it though right? That's carved from a multi ton block of granite from the Aswan quarry to the east across the river. Faking that would take a bare minimum of a team of engineers, stone masons, laborers and tools just to excavate it from the quarry, multiple cranes and high load capacity vehicles including a barge just to move it and that doesn't account for massive high speed impact drills and articulated saws just to get started cutting the thing. If you think it would be easy to make and just leave there as a hoax I want some of whatever you're smoking!!!
The mirrored symmetry & accuracy of some of these massive stone statues and structures is simply astounding. The human race is definitely missing some pieces of our/earths past.
very annoying. thumb
100%
It's known by some. That's for sure
Yeah, only Artisans with mysterious, unknown power tools can do good work. Ancient people were actually really stupid and had zero talent.
I'm starting to believe that humanity had a previous golden era before the younger dryas impact event. Judging by the monoliths that exist across the globe, I believe humanity was already connected at the global scale and sharing knowledge. I assume most civilizations lived by the sea or rivers near sea level and were wiped out by the global tsunami following the impact event. Any advanced tools, if made of metal, likely eroded away after several thousands of years, were melted down during times of war, or if we are lucky, are sitting in some rich person's private collection waiting to be revealed.
Amazingly beautiful. I wish the ones who made these were still among us or would come to visit... that would make for a fascinating conversation ❤️ ✨️ ❤️
Thank you Ben 🙂
For each cornice there, an awful lot of stone had to be removed. It's not like wrapping some stone around the top of something. Focusing on the decoration there is the minor thing, where the big thing is how they got that side flat. Once they did that, the cornice or molding was just finishing up.
Amazing, the boxes look like they've just come off a state of the art machine, like you say the round edging is unfinished but even the markings where its been tooled look perfect to my eye, absolutely mind blowing & boggling 🤯
I've been a machinist for over 30 years, What I want to know is who is making all the blueprints for these structures and where are they?
INSANELY awesome craftmanship. I'm just a middle-aged woman looking at these phenomena and not a person on this planet can tell me these objects were carved by hand with prehistoric tools. Totally awe inspiring!
totally agree
For the sake of argument, if the proposed tools were steel; do you believe it would be possible to perform by hand?
@@Vision_2 No, I don't think so. Imagine the strength necessary. The precision is too precise too, and then we've still got the issue of those holes tight into the corners they showed, and the sheer size of those objects.
That's howyou know they are counterfeits...
@@roxy5154 But far more complicated granite work has been accomplished by steel hand tools. Churches, banks, government buildings, military forts, lighthouses. All without power tools.
Fantastic footage and coverage of these sites and manufactured works of the ancients. The rose-granite "alter" or "shrine" defies history books and known technology in the past thousands of years. Also the power/energy of whatever caused such a HEAVY granite box to be thrown into the sand/ground like it is, must of been spectacular to say the least.
The perfect circular holes, round-cylindrical trim on the exterior, the sharp edges, the level/flat finish on the surfaces, the 4-faced pyramidal top... it's a Master piece by a master craftsman, who worked on some of the toughest stone the Earth has to offer.
It blows my mind every time, and never gets old to me. I love these granite master pieces throughout the old world. They are the truth that a civilization had technology, master craftsmen, and were well organized as to excavate, transport and craft such Granite products is a massive feat.
Thanks Ben, you're channel is a treasure.
I am a design engineer for a aerospace company and I completely agree with everything you are saying there is mounting evidence of ver sophisticated machining technology present Al over Egypt.
I did have a thought as to the apparent missing evidence of any types of tools, if the Egyptians did have complicated and effective stone working tools it isn’t hard to believe they would have been highly sought after and even after the Egyptians could no longer understand or maintain the tools it’s likely they would have been dismantled for their valuable material.
That was an amazing video. Quite frankly while admiring the precision on these stones, my first impression is that all this was cut by a lazer!
Lazer? is this a new Laser?
@@tempest957 no, the Z stands for Ztimulated
@@tempest957 it's like a laser, but more hip.
As a former mold maker its mind blowing how they managed to do this, this would be a hard project to do now. This was 2x thousand years ago amazing.
Even by the mainstream egyptologists the dating of those amazing works is supposedly between 2500 to 3300 years ago... My answer to the arguments where are the reamins of the civilizations who were truly responsible for the ginormous amount of so precisely worked super hard stone artifacts not only in Egypt is extreme antiquity as in over 15-20k years ago so any traces are either gone or are deeply burried and not found it yet.
Google Roman Sarcophagus. They made far more intricate/ ornate versions with the hardest of stone, a few centuries later, that make these look like a toddler made them. Multiple writings by the the Romans and Greeks state they learned to work with stone from the Egyptians.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks Greeks started in this business in earnest around 2-3th century BC which is not exactly "few centuries later", the geometric precision and scale is absolutely nowhere near compare to to what is found all over Egypt, the hardest stone that they were able to work is marble with max hardness around 4,5 and as low as 3 compare to the granite 7 and they ofc were already well into the Iron Age. Ancient Egyptians had plenty of expirience working softer than granite stones on much smaller than the megalithic artifacts scale so the Greeks and the Romans learning from them and from the Fertile Crescent civilizations the craft is well established fact.It does not change the fact that say the granite boxes and their lids found in the Serapeum of Saqqara for example would pose quie the serious challenge if someone tries to replicate them nowday.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks "Intricacy" does not require advanced manufacturing methods and dimensional control. Indeed, intricacy can hide a great deal of imperfection. It is extremely difficult to maintain straightness, flatness, circularity, and symmetry on "plain" objects. These are incredibly massive workpieces - I'd think into the tens (and even hundreds) of tons, and as natural objects they inherently also contain nonuniformities and defects that would greatly complicate any machining process that was not extremely adaptive (meaning some form of automatic feedback control). Simply quarrying, transporting - and handling these objects, loading them into the machinery (or otherwise setting up), providing continuity of dimensional referencing, and then executing the operational steps to create this outcome would be an undertaking today that would require a major program in equipment technology development before such a project could even begin. I'm not aware of ANY equipment in the world today capable of this, at this scale, and I've seen a great deal in my 35 years as a practicing mechanical engineer. This is simply astounding. Even if one were to consider the idea that the stone material might have been artificially created in a molding process of some kind (which would require very high temperatures, exotic mold materials, and further equipment and a working material that does not exist today) - there are clear die-locks that would have made such a mold very complex. One can note not only the centered feature at one end of one of the columns shown - but an apparently centered female square hole on the end of another as a possible drive engagement - which indeed is entirely consistent with a huge lathing operation of some kind - one that would require significant and controlled mechanical power to maintain. One thing is absolutely certain - these objects were NOT created with hand tools. The sheer amount of labor time required, the probability of error, the extreme difficulty of dimensional control, and the absence of any evidence of tool impact marks, etc. - make this obvious to anyone who has worked stone by hand, and even those who have not (like myself).
@jcalene k. The Sarcophagus of Helena at the Vatican really does a perfectly crafted job of hiding all of your imagined imperfections. The Greeks and Romans occupied Egypt for centuries and learned and vastly improved upon egyptian stone work techniques. By hand.
As a machinist that has machined some of the toughest materials on the planet known to man , I tend to agree with all you have said in the video. One thing you possibly missed was the type of metal guide used for the cutting tool to move along. I have used ultrasonic tools to cut and I am beginning to think ultrasonics was used on the holes. We used the same technique to remove broken taps out of steel hydraulic blocks we manufactured to save the block. A copper electrode would vibrate up and down in water. Have you seen that video of the radioactive stone found in Egypt ,that vibrated violently in water?
Ultrasonic tools do seem like a possibility.
Good point. The “tool” does not wear down as, say in a grinding disc as a cutter.
I have not heard of this! Can you tell me more or post a link to a video on it please?
I find it astonishing that "ancient tech" is ancient, I feel these works of art are way more advanced then we are...
MAN I AM ADDICTED TO YOUR CHANNEL! Keep it up, mate!
As fantastic and awe inspiring as this work is ,nobody will believe it's the work of mechanised tooling unless we find the machine that did it
Nor should they.
Why exactly is that. After most believe a man lives in the clouds and thats where you go when you die........without a single piece of evidence, but yanno thats probably a whole different video.
No because the syndicate that built castles and megalithic structures like this kept everything a secret because they didn’t want other nations to copy there technology.
always an absolute pleasure to watch your videos keep up the hard work
Every time I watch videos with the ruins of these massive pieces of granite and limestone. i wonder how the hell they got so scattered
Wow, I can't believe it also had that edging. Yeah, I've always thought to myself that this was the mic drop of ancient stone work. I remember having to draw it up in steps to help rest my mind because I kept wondering how it was done. You can make this small scale with a block of aluminum. I mean it's possible, but doing it with a giant very heavy block of granite is just next level unimaginably difficult because of the obviously size of the machines and movements needed...and of course tools available. Hardly anyone ever seems to talk about this box. Look at that top, look at how centered it is because if off just a smidgen then it's screwed. It's like how the pyramid's sides all had to line up or else they'd be way off center at the top. It looks as if, if they wanted the top to have a sharp point, they damn well could have. Look at the flatness of everything, especially the sides of the top. Just imagine cutting that with a giant horizontal mill or band saw and traversing a table strong enough to hold that weight into the cutter at just the right speed and rotating the stone to do that 3 more times to get the same result.
Then there's sharpness of edges and inside corners and drill holes..(I'm speaking about the Puma Punku H-block holes and others) How the crap are you drilling a tiny hole and in a spot like that with..copper or bronze diamond-tipped bit and a bow drill or whatever contraption people can think up? You need high RPM's for that and a carbide masonry bit..with maybe a hammer drill and the offset attachment in this instance. For the edging to be there you'll have to remove all that material surrounding it, because it's a high relief (like at Gobekli Tepi rather than the low reliefs you see with heiroglyphs) and remove all that material that was inside the box, which in machining you'd use an end mill...then of course square those rounded inside corners up because a spinning cutter only cuts round. You'd now need another machine like a slotter or broach to press down into it and chip away. And even that edging was machined..something you wouldn't even expect. It's round but started square and the cutter ran the length of it in a series of passes at different angles to make it appear round. It was so good that they didn't even need to bother sanding it. You can see the pattern here and many times you can even see how much material was removed with each pass or revolution of the blade. When sanding or grinding or using sand abrasive you won't see any of that. It'll just be smooth and it'll never ever be perfectly straight or flat. Anything done on a lathe will always be perfectly round as well and never perfectly round if done any other way.
They had to set up such amazing machines and ways to move and perfectly rotate this stone that they likely made a bunch of them because of all the trouble and complexity, especially since this box has so many features. There's no way this was their first one. I mean the first one was a box..and then someone wanted a better one, and they improved upon it. I skipped over a lot, but you get the gist. Building this stuff with wood would be very difficult and they did it with stone. Why were they so obsessed with sharp edges and straight lines? They had very sharp/hard tools and precise machines. This stuff is just so amazing that it's like looking at something that shouldn't exist.. Those papyrus columns are just ridiculous..
great comment, thanks
@wheelmanstan I just want you to know, as someone with attention deficit difficulties, that your comment is so interesting that I was able to read it - albeit at my own pace - in one go, no rereading. Hey, thanks for the intelligence shared!! 👍
@@smokerputz I wrote way more than I had initially intended, haha, so I appreciate your comment.
Absolute evidence of high tech robotics far beyond what our cnc tools can accomplish today with granite. No question. No argument.
It was an extraordinary high tech culture.
But where did it go?
That's the mystery of mysteries.
@@anzacman5 They are us, we just forgot about it and as the state of our consciousness shifted, so did our "reality" (which is actually a dream) into a one where we are surrounded by this mystery. We kind of wanted to forgot about our divine and godly source. This is the story of Satan, Adam & Eve cast down & out from the Fullness. We are spiralling further and futher away from the Living Truth.
We also used to be much larger, as human consciousness hadn't diffused into us smaller egoistical bits. Past "humans" were like complete nations in one titanic body. But also the "laws of nature" were different as the "reality" isn't a reality but a dream and interdream "realities" do not have to be consistent. This explains all of the mythical stories and deity pantheons.
Really interesting piece of engineering. I'm a tradesman with experience in stone and wood work and I can say I could drill a hole in a similar situation with a combination of a right angle drive and a tool bit that is larger in diameter than the diameter of the operating end of the right angle driver head. Of course as you said. you would need really powerful tools to accomplish something like this, especially with precision and accuracy. Here is one idea I have how these holes could have been drilled. If the shaft driving the bit was smaller in diameter than the bit, and a lever was used in the ~90 degree range of freedom available, they could've used some kind of a bearing block with a hole in the middle to brace the shaft exactly centered in the corner. They could've also used such a braced narrow shaft in combination with rope wound around it to generate force somewhere outside the box. No idea what they would've made these tools out of but definitely something tough.
Drilling the holes seems to be the simple part. How did they make the box with such precise inside corners and the outside in such an exclusive shape out of one piece of granite? I would like to see any modern company or group of people build something Similar without using power tools.
@@Richard-zc1cj i think the biggest limiting factor stopping someone from attempting this is the cost of materials and labor. That being said, what could justify such expenses being paid in the time that the box was made?
@@zackrog1270 That's a good question -- the economics of all this stonework is something that is rarely considered. An agricultural economy(which is what ancient Egypt was) generated maybe a 10 percent surplus, which frees up around 10 percent of the population to do something other than grow food. Once you subtract the bureaucrats, priests, soldiers etc you're left with a fairly small number that could work on these stone projects. To me the numbers don't add up -- you couldn't do all that monumental precision stonework in the time period given with a relatively small work force using stone and copper tools by hand.
This video was good. The first i have watched. I plan to watch many more. I have known these arguments for over 2 decades, but to see the monuments up close explained by the commentary is another experience altogether. I feel like my thoughts about history have been revolutionised.
I keep coming back to this one. This video amongst many others should be archived. Ben here shows us remarkable precision work that is not even closely explainable by 'egyptologysts'. Even further, he shows us the shrine in Edfu Temple which no one is able to see like this now, again, the corner peice that went missing. Etc. This only gets worse as years go by, Ben is doing the world a serious service documenting these peices and artifacts before they are literally removed from under our noses by other PEOPLE...
To me, the faceted edging disproves softening stone to work it. But definitely supports advanced machinery.
I think you are right. If they could soften it, they need not grind the facets before rounding the shape.
well, let say they softened it (by some AMAZING means) to the hardness butter for instance.
That way they could pretty easily have sliced away the unwanted mass with something like a copper blade.
The reason they did it in two stages like this (there could have been coarser stages before this point) is because they needed/wanted precision at scale and this was likely the simplest way to accomplish it.
Among the Incas we see more dynamic and curvy meeting of edges, indicating that if they had the same (godlike softening) technology, they didn't care about straight lines or squares that much, but wanted tight fitting, earthquake proof structures still.
@@megalonoobiacinc4863 THE INCAS DIDN'T DO THE WORKS. THEY TOLD THAT TO THE SPANIARDS.
@@megalonoobiacinc4863 Sounds like a good idea. But and this is a very big but, it seems we are getting towards the machining capabilities for shaping granite, I know of no method of temporarily turning granite into the consistency of butter. A very high temperature for example in a volcano might melt it, but it would recrystalise, it would not return to being granite.
@@Digeroo123 this is all entirely unfounded speculation but, if you look into actual footage from the experiments John Hutchinson did, back when he had the equipment, he apparently demonstrated anti-gravity and fusion of materials simultaneously.
Materials like wood and metal sticking through each other, fused as if one had melted, impossible if done through temperature.
Hutchinson did this with some advanced mixture of multiple tesla coils and military microwave equipment, or so i heard...
thank you , the items you show never get shown . they are dumped or hidden . please more extreme close ups of the joins that just disappear and then your not sure if its solid or a extremely precise join , that we are unable to do today.
blows my mind .
oh and the box is stunning and disserves a place of pride . not dumped and half buried . glad you took a close look.
What an amazing piece, truly mind blowing evidence.
That box is something we probably couldn't even do today. It looks machined, 100%.
The whole "we couldnt do it today" argument is retarded. We have had a football sized science lab hurdeling around our planet at thousands of miles an hour since 1998 🤦
well we have no reason to make these boxes
we absolutely could make all this but it will be a lot of effort and expensive
Millions of dollars later, you might come close. Just moving the stone is something unachievable by most
@@TheGreyGhost_of43rd absolute rubbish.
Incredible video - as always.
My background is as a designer. Some other interesting points occur to me that often don't get a mention, but I feel are valid.
The beauty, symmetry, finish, proportion, geometry and aesthetic of these objects is stunning and highly advanced. That doesn't just happen. It evolves in a culture over long periods of time.
Many of the objects reflect earthly things. Statues have navels, fingernails... they are stylised humans, mammals. The columns depict tall palms. A culture and civilsation rooted in that location on the Nile to a large degree. These objects all have a beauty of perfection and proportion that is stunning.
You would only conceive carving any of these designs from solid blocks of granite if it was fairly easy and efficient to do so. This is also evident in way that some are discarded if they crack or a mistake is made. Obviously it was fairly efficient to carve and transport massive solid objects. Many appear mass produced and near identical. It was also possible for whoever was producing the object, to map out and see the finished piece within the solid block as work was done, with incredible precision. If you have tried any type of carving you will appreciate the difficulty.
Sculpting as we know is either “additive” or “subtractive” with moulding and casting being a bit of both.
If you wanted to privately have a piece like "the shrine" made, delivered, and installed in your home... I'm not even sure you could find someone to do it. And if you could, it would take a very long time and cost millions in my guesswork.
Actually I think building this stuff would be easy with the tools they had back then
Drilling the holes in the box with a bow dril wouldn't be a problem it just takes time and patience your drill bit would need to look this
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You hold the end blocks hard in the corners and wrap the string around the middle offset
And the sharp edges can be made precisely by using a plane and a string with a set of dividers or a gauge block
The edge detail pieces I see being ground in place with multiple planes and sand/granite dust and water and a cutting media
The people that built this stuff had time on there hands and I believe they worked off the barter system so they did nothing for 35 years but worked granite and all the tricks the previous gernerations learned was passed down. So since they did nothing but worked granite as they needed stuff it was given to them and they created what they needed to make it work so they wasn't looking for food they just worked granite and it became easy for them over generations. It wasn't until a few hundred years ago that a son stopped doing the same job as his father
Hi Ben. This was so well done and put together. All of the imagery and that transition from a facetted curve to a smooth curve is so impressive. The opinions of expert stone carvers in combination with your well reasoned perspective makes this evidence so amazing. Thank you !
❤️ your channel! Keep up the great work! 👍
Wow. That was so interesting. Fascinating. I'm in my late 70s, but this has blown me
away!
I've subscribed.
Excellent work, Ben.
Am contributing to help you, from New Zealand. 👏🏼🥰
Thanky you!
While the incomplete artifact should give clues to how it was constructed, I have to think that the waste material might also give important clues. If, for example, the waste material was almost entirely small grains and chips, that could mean grinding and percussion was involved, but if the waste material consists of large scraps with smooth sides, that could mean cutting was involved.
I was thinking sort of the same, in wondering where is all the waste materials, for instance the 2 wholes in the top of the opening, where are the cylinders that came out of that and what details they would provide, or maybe nothing was wasted, instead repurposed.
It seems you are assuming that such work would have been done on the site the artifact sits on today in order to search for and reconstruct such fragmented waste material like the world's worst jigsaw puzzle. However that would not be the case as any civilization capable of quarrying, carving and moving such massive stones would surely not be forced to perform all work at the site it was to be erected/used. Also there is no reason to leave waste stone chips near the finished product. Even if you could find an abandoned work site with several pieces left in various stages of finishing it would be nearly impossible to reconstruct what was being done and how from waste material. Learning from waste material is unfeasible and nearly impossible, a much better and more likely construction signature to learn from would be finding examples where mistakes were made and the piece was rejected, such as over cuts, off center drilling, or angles not being squared.
@@benjamincrowley9919 I was referring to finding scraps next to incomplete artifacts, that were abandoned while being worked on. Surely the scraps weren't cleaned up. But even with regard to completed artifacts that have been removed from the worksite, I have to think that the scraps are somewhere, and if we are open to the idea we might be better prepared to identify the scraps if they are encountered.
I think it would be awesome to get more people like Alma out to Egypt to look at these artefacts and do some longer form content with their professional opinions
You've made another great case for a tale of two industries. I'm not getting any younger(YD) and I hope acknowledgement and research is forthcoming.
What I find really challenging is how, using a machine they managed the point where the horizontal molding converged on the equally machined vertical edging which is mostly missing except for the small part where they converged.
I'm a sceptic of the theory of ancient hi-tech, but this is fascinating. One question that pops into head is "why"? In a sense, the technology would dictate the outcome, so if the tech wasn't in place or invented, why would one dictate these fine lines unless they had something we don't know about?
@@magnuskallas the fasetted lines are a must to get the edges near perfect in height and width
Imagine a huge rough hewn rock standing in front of you and a papyrus plan in your hand , then having to create these objects to the exact dimensions provided ...no mistakes , no miss- measurements, every edge perfect , every facet flat and smooth . This work is NOT possible without machines , it's ridiculous to think it could be done otherwise.
The answer is out there Ben , keep digging mate.
Those drill holes sitting flush with the edge is also a spectacular example of ancient know how. We under estimate these ancient dudes so much. The amount of planning and precise execution into a single box is mind blowing.
Im an aerospace machinist. These holes fascinate me. Difficult to say the least
How much granite hand-working is there in aerospace machining? This has repeatedly been proven possible by use of a hand-cranked copper core drill and abrasive dust/slurry. The tight corner here makes it a bit more awkward but by no means impossible - you just can't turn the drill through 360° if using the crank, either you rotate it back and forth through 90° or you get rid of the crank and roll it around using the corner of the confining surfaces as a guide - all pretty obvious solutions which should be evident to an aerospace engineer, I believe, hell, I'm a joiner and its obvious.... But perhaps that's the point - if you work all day with machines you probably have a big blind spot in the area of hand-crafting, lile everyone else here.
@@JesseP.Watson You definately sound like a joiner allright.
@@flawmore Aye, and you sound like a sparky.
@@JesseP.Watson Hey! What are you trying to say about us sparkies!? haha
@@JesseP.Watson Haha, it's actually pretty interesting to see that electricians and carpenters/joiners have the same relationships regardless of country.
And yes, you were correct! Cheers!
The way the edging on the box is a circle made out of straight lines is super interesting because that’s how 3D printers and cnc machines make circles and it’s how circles look zoomed in in 3D modeling programs. The circles are formed out of a bunch of straight lines in machining and can be smoothed out a number of ways
Yeah, it’s as though multiple small milling bits were working simultaneously, or, alternatively, each facia was ‘planed’ flat, before the jig was reset at the next angle….
@@tomwinterfishing9065 ...or chiselled flat. Grow up.
Watch a 3d printer print. You'll find this untrue. The layers stack and cncs remove material in the same manner. If they did cnc it, why does it look like its carved
@@1977ajax I would be curious to see a modern craftsman try to reproduce this level of accuracy with a mallet and bronze chisel on something of this scale. I'm sure somebody could get really good with enough practice. What we don't know, is just how precise is the work on that piece? +/- .01" over the length of a foot? How about the variation in thickness throughout its length? We just dont know.
The other question is why was such precision necessary? If that level of precision is not necessary, why pay somebody to take so much time to try to acheive it?
One more point- if carving that faceted piece (that would eventually get the facets polished to a fully rounded profile) by hand, there is absolutely zero need to make it faceted first (especially not with such accuracy). Just think about how you would carve it.
If a precision machine is carving it, the precision comes automatically.
I'm not saying they used milling machines (because there's none left behind) but just saying it boggles the mind.
@@cheatinggravity173 Not at all; clearly you have no experience in this field to unboggle you, that's all. Your personal incredulity counts for nothing, I'm afraid.
As a retired machinist with 40 years experience I agree with you 100%. No way we’re these made with hand tools. The question I have is how and when did these remnants get broken up and dumped where they are today?
Yeah, because this isn't a position in which the piece was when worked on for sure. But the question is, when it was cut? Are we sure it wasn't cut during the Roman empire time?
Well, are we even sure it is ancient? What seems suspicious to me is the apparent lack of weathering or erosion. Is it a modern replica that got dumped there at some point recently?
@@ShaeKuronen that's what I suspect, without further indications.
I have to say, some of the other guys - the Hancocks, the other RUclipsrs - they reach a bit. Your channel is so grounded and unbelievably better for it
Hancock is a lost cause, IMO. He's too worried about appearing not racist.
Hi Ben,
By trade I am a toolmaker, specifically plastic injection mould tools. One primary process we performed was 'blocking up', which is essentially establishing the datums by machining the block faces flat, parallel, and square to each other. We could then run a precision 'clock' along these faces to ensure our machines were precisely aligned with thes datums so that any machining operation aligned up correctly and at the correct location.
Now, it occurs to me that if the quarrymen did this basic process of blocking up with face mills then they are all set for any consequent machining operations. You showed evidence of the precense of such 'blocking' machinery at 10:55.
Blocking up at that quarry would not have been a trivial operation, so I have full awe and respect for those ancient Egyptian quarrymen.
However, I suggest that the key difference with the modern techniques outlined above, and what they had available at the time was that rather than rig separate machinery around the stone block to match datums (with the exeption of the blocking machinery), they may have used the stone edges and faces as datums to directly perform further machining operations.
This could, for example, be by mounting a corner block of stone that would slide along an edge with arms mounted that held tools at the correct offset to perform their cutting operation in a precise repeatable manner. This method lends itself well to block type operations, but leaves the question of the more organic machining open to further suggestions.
Regardless of how they ancient Egyptians did it, I remain in awe and wonder of their designs, conceptions and executions of some of the most beatifull stonework to be found anywhere in the world.
Still does not explain how they made giant boxes out of granite, out of ONE PIECE of granite, with precision inside corners, and laser flatness inside and out. Granite companies have been shown this work and said they could not reproduce that.
@@davestephens8033 what makes you think that a professional stonecarver who had months on hand couldnt have done that
@@davestephens8033 It partially explains it. It helps to imagine yourself doing what I described above. To me, the most difficult part would be hollowing out the cavity. A jack hammer would be the ideal tool here. They may have instead sped it up by using disc cutting tools, of which there is evidence of there use. It would have been extremely difficult and highly skilled stonework, but there it is for all to see.
No tools, no skill, no granite box. Simple.
They had the skills, they had the tools. The central mystery is why the tools aren't documented or laying in the ground somewhere.
@@QuentinRowe-ww6gm Its not a mystery. These fantastic precision works are from the earliest times in Egypt. Its been pretty well shown that these much older works were REPURPOSED by much later dynasties. This is why we see painting of workmen using hard rock pounders, when we know for SURE nobody could use use hard rock pounders to make laser perfect flat surfaces. All this precision work just immediately STOPPED, and what came after were real crude piling of natural stones to make low walls etc. The question remains WHO did all this perfect machining and statues that follow geometric 3D planes like you would carve a statue with CNC technology. And all these precision works ended at the same times on Earth. So if you have PROOF that these works EXIST, and they are all over the planet using the same precision techniques, and suddenly no more works like that were being made, WHO WAS IT that did these works? And the only real answer is that there WAS a civiization of high technology that was destroyed in a single world wide event. This event exists all over the Earth in sedementary sand beds as black layers in the sand, and in the stories of a world wide deluge that exists also all over the world, the SAME event. 26,000 years ago seems to crop up alot in these visible signs. If a world wide event wiped out most of all life on Earth in our time right now, 26,000 years from now its like there will be no evidence of cell phones or computers or cars. Everything smashed to bit and corroded away. Archaeologists keep their own made up mythologies and insist that we are the most advanced civilization ever, yet we can't duplicate the granite Bull "coffins" out of one SINGLE piece of stone. Granite companies said they could only do it by bolting single flat pieces together to make a box. Our entire history is a lie. There have been so many artificats embedded in coal strata, made by completely unknown civilizations and archaeologists don't know what to do with that, and their explanations are often more ridiculous than not. Most of their beliefs come from the 1800's and are written in stone and dare not defy old textbooks. They are more a priesthood than scientists.....
It's even more fascinating when you find out there are many many sites around the world that are not very well known that are built of of massive stones that we would have trouble moving today
The 3D scans are a nice addition to the usual superlative content I've come to expect on this channel.
Thank you.
As a tradesman, I don't ever leave my tools on a job site when I leave... We pack up things and take them with me to the next site. Now little things, blades, broken handles, etc... will sometimes get left behind. " Advanced tooling" wouldn't get left behind. Finding those tools would be huge. Food for thought, and just my 2 cents. Have a good day
Yeah and they either removed all evidence of them or never recorded any details about them despite documented evidence of all their other tools, tools that have been found, replicated and are proven to work.
Yea I get the feeling what they used to do it was thinking out of the box and this video doesn't really do that. In this video he basically says if these recorded tools cant do it then it must have been advanced machinery or tools like electric grinders to make. I think whatever they used was extremally advanced and clever for its time but i don't think it means they somehow had electrical equipment. Some of these things may have taken so long to make that one person couldn't even make it in his lifetime. I will say the precision and scale of some of these are just baffling to the mind but i get the feeling some of us underestimate just how crafty, stubborn and smart humans can be.
You know they HIDE these things too. I read about one museum a guy went to and in one closet in an Egyptian museum, the guy found all these very big TUNING FORKS. They had no idea what they were or what they were for, so they hid them away without a thought. Christopher Dunn theorized that hole drilling used some kind of ultrasound vibratory method to do high speed granite drilling. Hmmmmm, tuning forks VIBRATE. Nope, hidden away, can't look at them.
@@davestephens8033 Where did you "read" about this?
@@billfred9411 The claims of precision almost never have a source. They don't tell you what measuring tools were used or the method and when other people try to measure these "precise" objects they find that it's not precise at all. You're right about the time taken though. Some of the items shown are estimated to have taken a crew of workers two years to make.
What a great insight! Clear proof that shaping the objects is at least a 2 step process. Also one can to a degree see the "resolution" of the rough cut. Or how much material they took away before moving on to the next step.
Man, the quality of the hieroglyphs on that one box is stunning. I’ve heard you talk about how astoundingly accurate the construction is, with light tests, lasers etc., but the outline around the border of the glyphs look to run laser parallel to the box itself, on top of looking incredibly even in depth. I can’t imaging how you would write with that kind of accuracy on stone, without somewhat modern technology.
maybe heiroglyphs are inherited as well, or the Egyptians simply copied the characters and made their own language using them.
The fact that its proud of its surrounding surface represents a monumental amount of work
Which begs the question, was the surface prior to cutting the proud detail also as flat and smooth? Wouldn't it need to be in order to run any kind of brace or jig? If so, the work has just taken on another level of complexity and difficulty.
Makes one wonder if some people had advanced 5-axis machining capabilities, and left before the Younger Dryas cataclysms.
Our civilization didn't even get 6-axis until the Playstation 3
Or just destroyed.
@@erok268 (you’re likely correct)
@@DigtlNativ if there were giants before the Flood, and people who lived for several hundred years, maybe size and lifespan weren't the only human capabilities that were superhuman compared to us. For example, maybe it was normal for them to be able to draw a perfectly straight line as long as they wanted. If they had sharper minds and eyes than us, and steadier hands, then their version of hand-made is something we can only achieve with machine tools.
@@customsongmaker Could that be within the realm of possibility? Perhaps. But you're missing one key point...giants would be more likely to survive a flood than humans because their heads would stay above water for longer. Statistically speaking that means more giants would've survived than short little humans, and giants do not currently populate earth. How do you explain this discrepancy 🤔
The picture @25:09 of the straight lines is just amazing precision - great angle of the photo, Thank you
I was trained in the now dead trade of Swiss-style toolmaking as a Westinghouse apprentice in the early 1970's. We would make high precision parts by machining them close to finish size and then finish by hand. The more common pieces made this way were air bearings and a gas tight seal for a turret that weighed several tons that had to seal natural gas in the turret bearing. We did this by floating the complete assembly on .008 thick oil. It not only held the gas in the machine, but 1 person could turn it like a roulette wheel. These pieces were all finished with abrasives, usually imbedded in tin or copper forms. If we had a place on the part that we could use to guide these "saddles" that were cut to the shape we were making. If we didn't have that we would make a temparary guide. What I am trying to say is the tools and materials that we used were known to these people and we were still using these methods 52 years ago.
Thank you for raising these points. Why does everyone want to assume there was some ancient form of super-intelligence, mysticism, or alien influence? Ancient humans weren't dumb and had to be resourceful enough to survive
To be clear, your comment says that you used machines in creating those parts. I suppose you are implying that you didn't have to, and you presumably did that to save time... But your comment doesn't say you made those parts without the aid of machines. You are making some assumptions - such as implying things would be as straight, as precise, etc., if you didn't use those machines for shaping - but you can't be sure that that's the case unless you have experience doing so. In which case your comment would have been just that you made parts that accurately without using machines.
@Andrew Hopkins I'm also a machinist. There are techniques in machining that do not require machines or that can be done on simple machines that would have been available or conceivable at that time. For instance in order to make a stone as precisely flat as possible you would rub it with two other stones alternately. A really good example of something done by hand that is extremely precise is hand scraping. You can look videos of hand scraping up here on RUclips. There's a ton. You don't need machines for all precision work
@@andrewhopkins3397 To be clear he did say they machined to near final size but that was steel. It is much more resistant to sheer forces than rock and would take much longer to machine. Although stone is much harder it has very little strength in sheer as compared to metals. That is why you can flake off large chunks with primitive tools. Similarly, the surfaces can be quickly ground flat using abrasives. All of the high spots will simply sheer right off.
@@ryanthede4689 I get there are processes that don't require machines. I was replying to the original post, where he is trying to make the point that the ancient cultures didn't need machines, and his evidence of that claim is a description of where he used machines in the exact same way as is described in this video. It's just a ridiculous post to make.
In a French debunk documentary, a stone worker did a marvellous finish surface on granit with a copper tool and rock friction in front of us . And he discovered that when he turn the tool on the other side when dull it sharpen itself . In those time there was no salary and leisure activities like tv , they had beliefs , time and fear of rulers and gods. That s why with our present mind we don t understand that amount of work for … nothing 🤷🏻♂️ make people work, not think , so you keep the control 👍
The tube drill thing always wears me out. HOW DID THEY MAKE THE F'n TUBE!?
the pharoahs beat the slaves even harder, obviously..../s
@Mike Foster 5000 years ago?
I swear one day they'll uncover a Granite table made with seamless dovetails and dowels then Egyptologists will come out and talk about how they were made with pounding stones and copper tools.
Wow, excellent presentation and you made an excellent case here worthy of more attention. Machinist here and the only thing I would like to add is perhaps the faceted rough cut on the edging was made by some sort of a guided/tracked carving tool as opposed to rotary cutter. Either way, there is no doubt in my mind that whoever fashioned these stones absolutely were not simply using hand chisels and hammers.
Hmm, I like the idea of a tracked cutting tool. That makes more sense, and it certainly would have been possible in their time. I was previously suggesting a chisel tipped with carborundum/ silicon carbide/ moissanite but it could have been a scraper with such a hard tip brazed to it. If they had the ability to braze silicon carbide to bronze tools, all this really fine work work makes WAY more sense since they had no steel.
@@cheatinggravity173 i think it had to be a mill though.
if it was strokes then the finish would be very rough , or the passes very thin and takes ages to finish.
also the forces the cut even thin strokes would need a massive modern shaper to be rigid enough to not jam and crash.
those facets are a simple way of hogging of material with a mill. a very illogical way stroking. especially since massive amounts of stock was already removed
@@josephpowell6009 looking into this subject is new for me; I had NO IDEA just how much hate and vitriol is spewed by those who think along more traditional lines towards anybody who says there is some other tool at work here besides just silica and aluminum oxide (sand) abrasives and wood, stone, and copper. People really have divided themselves into two camps that will never agree on anything regardless of proof, common sense, or logic.
What I see after a little more digging is just more proof confirming some of the accuracy acheved by ancient Egyptians is on par with the work being done today's machine tools. And zero proof that anybody of recent times that has used the abrasive and copper chisel method to achieve anywhere close to the kind of quality work the ancient Egyptians did.
Im still not saying machine tools were used, but I am saying is that there is no way they didn't have harder tooling to work with such as carborundum/ moissanite from a meteorite or some other type of carbide. *possibly* hardened steel but I doubt it. There certainly were diamonds available to them, as they can be found in meterorite impacts as well but thier grain structure is more prone to fracturing than manufactured diamonds. Still usable as abrasive, just dowsnt seem like there would be nearly enough quantity to work with as an abrasive. Diamond's impact toughness is terrible.
They say "like cuts like" (in regards to hardness) but what I'm seeing with modern attempts at bowl making, and in my own experience working with many different materials, not with good accuracy.
Example: make a rectangular granite box with perfect inside corners with .030" radius and flat surfaces to within +/-.004" like I've seen the ancient egyptians make. Not some stupid easy shallow round bowl with some grooves in it that looks like it was made by a kid in high school. It's those square inside corners that are hard to make because there is very little stroke length the closer you get to the corner, and round tools such as tube drills don't make square inside corners and have to be finished in some other way. To abrade away the material down to a fine corner? Someone please show me how they did it 3-4000 years ago with bronze, stone, and sand.
Fascinating content here. Thanks for posting this one!!👍. As a machinist and mechanic I can fully appreciate the amount of craftsmanship that has gone into a lot of things that cannot be duplicated with tools & machinery in use today . It truly boggles my mind as to just how much of this was made . Maybe some day we will know for sure .
Thanks Ben ☺️
Working with stone for a couple years now, granite is strong but fragile. It wouldn't take well to hammer and chisels because it is a conglomerate. The unfinished side of the bull nose actually demonstrates shaving down as you would expect to see from a pass by a diamond bit of a high speed rotation tool. There is evidence of milling and its another example that we know very little of a time long past !
My theory is thousands of years ago the rock was just softer. Some people don't like such a simple explanation but it's highly plausible that the rock hardened over time through metamorphosis. It is already fact that rocks can grow heavier over time which takes thousands or millions of years. Most people I talk to about this hate that theory though because 1, we can't travel back in time to prove it, 2, it throws out the need for high powered tools since the rock was softer and 3, people just don't like simple answers for seemingly huge mysteries.
In fact I'm nearly set in stone ( no pun intended ) that granite and all megalithic rock structures weighed significantly less thousands and thousands of years ago.
I honestly feel it's a mystery people don't actually want to solve because it's just fun speculating and keeping the conversation going. But I'm going with, the rocks were just lighter in weight back then.
The second most plausible theory is chemists knew how to soften the rock to make it easy to work.
I just think if they had high powered tools they would have been building things from metals. Someone would have eventually said "hey if this saw blade is strong enough to cut the rock wouldn't the blades material be strong enough to build things with?"
@@Unmaleable grinding those flats is easy and doesnt need the rock to be soft. one need an equal as hard slab, a grinding media (sand/natural corundum grit) and a wooden simple jig to keep the angle to prevent overshooting. the sand lowers points of contact, increases surface pressure per area by orders of magnitude and breaks out pieces of the the rock. same principles behind a modern rock drill.
This technique is used to flatten synthetic and natural whetstones rather quick, way harder and more uniform than granite
@@Unmaleable ...just so many questions on how you can think that.
But to high to really care to ask.
@@Unmaleablesofter rock doesnt really explain the precision of the work.
Also, imo, if a culture can cut rocks semmingly as easy as the people who made these boxes.... why produce metal structures that decay over time when they could easily produce stone structure that can withstand time.
Being in granite and marble manufacturing. I can confirm that you could technically drill those holes flush against two axis. The trick would be to reduce the size of the head that the core bit fits too.
Love your work Ben keep it up 👍
..Agree. A very powerful Jacob's Chuck, or taper collett, offset gear driven....,
in relatively minute dimensions.. ;}
Or a same size head as bit and you could wedge it in the corner and use it as a stabilizer and guide.
Or a squared head the rights itself when pressed into the corner.
You start with a small hole, that way you can reach into the corner with space, and then you open the hole up with whatever grinding tool they used that has a smaller shaft on the end that doesn't interfere with the straight surface right flush with.
I love how it takes 2 mins for someone to come up with a total viable process but this guy is like NO ITS IMPOSSIBLE THEY DID IT 🤦♀️
@@chrish4439 I’m not sure that’s what the video maker is saying
Another great video. I love how you focus in on the incredible and anaomalous aspects of the artefacts and sites in your videos. I notice that you are a little more confident in pointing out the conclusions of what you observe (which are totally earth shattering). Add together all this evidence and you have an astounding technological profile for a presence that existed in the past. To list the technological capabilities would sound like a science fiction story. As Plato wrote about the 'Labyrinth' - you cannot describe all the detail since people would start to question your sanity (I cannot remember the precise quote but that is the gist of it ).
I completely agree with your opinion about the shaping, boring, core drilling, and finishing work required for these hard stones. You are right, such work can only be accomplished using high-tech and high-precision masonry equipment. Interestingly, the individuals who performed these tasks did not leave behind any equipment, which makes it difficult to identify them. Thus, it seems, we may never know who executed this impressive feat.
The tool room section was incredible. I'm sure many of the tools were lost to some soldiers who smashed them up to cook a goat. What a sadness.
Or, hear me out, they never existed. Just time, labor, and redundancy.
It's one thing to have a small number of master stone carvers as there was during the Renaisance even though each carver had a signature style. To produce the volume of work found in Egypt, it would take many thousands of the best carvers the world has ever seen and with a direct standard of size, finish, and style. To duplicate the same items over and over in near perfect duplication, there would have to be precise measuring devices to insure the "standard" is held within specs.
Clearly not the case
I currently am a monument maker that works with granite, marble, and limestone. Some of the finished surfaces and tool marks and shapes on the stones in the video look straight out of my shop I work in. We use diamond tipped blades, core drills, polishing wheels, and wire saws, and end up with nearly the same finishes (maybe a bit more consistent at points but still).
I can only imagine that some sort of mechanical setups had to be used in the production and finishing of these stones. Maybe powered by wind/water/animals but then mechanically transferred to bronze or copper cutting tools. Ancient Egypt had the wealth to do it, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Example please of how it's "powered " by wind, water or animals. Bronze or copper cutting tools? Lol
Great video. Machining is written all over the examples shown in your video. The cylindrical shapes have a circular end and centering hole on the opposite side, just like a lathe. These machines had to be enormous.
Why hasn't anyone found evidence of these enormous machines ?