27 year firefighter with a small city pension. Paid social security for 32 years. They reduce my social security benefits by 50%. I only get $530 per month. My city pension is only 1500 per month. We were treated like second class citizens by the government. Some people think that we retired with big government pension. Don't believe everything that you hear.
well in my small town the lady across the street living on her deceased hubbys fireman pension lives like a queen, new car every other year, bought a big rv, has a boat, endless workers coming to her house, lawn care, you name it she's got it.
@@gwizz911 True, BART Bay Area Rapid Transit, employees don’t pay into social security but I wonder if they invest that money what would their returns be?
That’s what the government wants. When you get on ss they hope you die so they can spend our hard earn money. They want us to live like magnets. They think they will live forever NOT. Hell doesn’t eve. Want them when God comes like a thief in the night they will answer to their greed.
What about the others, ssi recipients, the one's that are not government workers, that's bullshit, I'm probably going to get maybe a 25.00 increase, they can keep it or shove it
@@DannyWalker247and you don’t think were getting ripped off I’m 72 years old and been paying into SS since I was 16. I’m still working and paying taxes in SS we don’t get the full allowment of what we get each month due to we have to pay taxes on that. That’s double taxing. That’s BS
@preppingforendtimessurviva6326 excuse me,I worked for 50 year ,40 to 50 hours a week ,paid into ssi forever but not in a government job,now do you understand where I'm coming from son
The previous adjustment was based on the fact that the Public Employee pensions were in part funded by taxpayers. Taxpayers, not private employers. That was the thought. So, Public Employees can now benefit from taxpayer subsidized pension funds and SSI accounts to which they contributed only 1/2 the amount a private employee’s account was credited (the other 1/2 being the required match from the private employer - this match often meaning there was no money for raises) Got that? Public employees are now a little more than equitable than the despised private sector.
@@davidthompson6636 Private pensions by a employer is paid for by the consumer. 1/2 of public pensions was paid for by the taxpayers. If both private and public employees pay social security, they both should receive 100% benefit.
Public employees are taxpayers as well. Public pension funds are funded by the governments that offer those funds (employer contributions), by investments and employee contributions. The WEP reduced the amount my benefit CALCULATED BY SSA, by almost $400. I paid into SS for 25 years and worked in a school for 10. We are only now going to get what we paid in, nothing more.
Why do all of these people in the comments think they have a dog in this fight? It is only about the people who have been getting ripped off by these stupid rules they put into effect over 40 years ago. I for one am happy they fixed this. They should be paying these people for every year they got screwed not just back one year.
Nothing fair about giving more money to those that have the most and doing nothing for the ones who have to live with almost nothing how's that fair at all
There are plenty of people who this affects who are not doing well. Many are in their 80s and still working because of the theft of their hard earned benefits! They are entitled to this stolen money!
So government employees get to double dip now, so what else is new. If they were over charged unfairly, just refund the damn money that’s it. But nobody gets to double dip. Social security, army, post office, general services, etc, are government agency’s, pick one check as retirement. I have a worthless brother who is a double dipper, army & post office, his pension from both are over &10,000.00 per month & he was a flunky working the system, but the crooked bastard has boats, motor cycles, motor homes, trips, free travel, etc. he was a good for nothing hustler, like what the government did to hurricane Helene victims who sleep warm at nights with a FULL belly, pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
Sounds like you need to take out your frustrations on your brother. So you'd favor a law that says people with a public service pension don't have to pay SS tax on a second job? Cut me the check! I'll put it straight into an investment account. But that option would bankrupt SS almost overnight. The problem with WEP is it penalizes secretaries that can't live on their retirement and executives that can, the same. It's a percent based on time in, not how much income you got from another pension. That's why even the opponents in congress acknowledged that it was unfair. The opponents simply wanted to kick the can down the road for as long as possible, in this case 6 months more in like 2033. Changes to WEP and GPO (which is awful, eliminated survivor benefits for 70% of the people it applied to) have been on the table since 2003; they've had THAT long to craft a solution based on a progressive formula that that accounts for different levels of income. So the people getting screwed all this time finally got a big enough voice to get something passed and you are mad? Maybe now the congressional types screaming about the budget (and their constituents mad at their siblings) will get off their asses and craft a fair solution for everyone. I have no objection to that. But congressional laziness isn't a valid reason for me to pay an arbitrary penalty every month for as long as I live.
I don't think a 75 year old making $2500/month is "relatively wealthy", and there are A LOT of those who will benefit. There was a reason it was easy to convince a large majority in both houses of congress to vote for the bill.
What about it.This is money they unlawfully took from their SS amount.They are not getting anything for free, they Paid enough into SS to draw the full amount but the government took 40 to 60% of the amount.
@ and I’m telling you, there are those (myself) who do pay into ss and were only allowed 50% bc of offset. This isn’t fair which is why it’s being appealed.
If you paid into SS you should get a pmnt consistent with the amount you paid regardless of who you worked for…
27 year firefighter with a small city pension. Paid social security for 32 years. They reduce my social security benefits by 50%. I only get $530 per month. My city pension is only 1500 per month. We were treated like second class citizens by the government. Some people think that we retired with big government pension. Don't believe everything that you hear.
And immigrants getting $3000 in Food Stamps 🥴
@Lovelylite-c3m In New York City, they were getting $500 per week. Prepaid Visa cards. Free housing free transportation, free health care.
well in my small town the lady across the street living on her deceased hubbys fireman pension lives like a queen, new car every other year, bought a big rv, has a boat, endless workers coming to her house, lawn care, you name it she's got it.
@@jazziez6467 and you don't know how they managed their money. Sounds like they planned pretty well!
@@edwardadams7408🤬
Do away with government pensions. Put everyone into the social security program.
President Bidden has to sign the bill or we won't get the increase.
As far as I know he has not signed it yet.
I’m a city government worker and we pay into pensions and social security.
I’m a hospital worker and we pay into are retirement and social security also
@@gwizz911 True, BART Bay Area Rapid Transit, employees don’t pay into social security but I wonder if they invest that money what would their returns be?
It about time
I will believe when i see it!😡
Some of my public co workers only received over 200 dollars per month on SSA
The poor get poorer
That’s what the government wants. When you get on ss they hope you die so they can spend our hard earn money. They want us to live like magnets. They think they will live forever NOT. Hell doesn’t eve. Want them when God comes like a thief in the night they will answer to their greed.
No rejoicing,
Many factors at play
You can thank me for giving up my earned social security benefit by mandate for you
What about the others, ssi recipients, the one's that are not government workers, that's bullshit, I'm probably going to get maybe a 25.00 increase, they can keep it or shove it
What is bs about this? They are fixing this for people who have been getting ripped off.
@@DannyWalker247and you don’t think were getting ripped off I’m 72 years old and been paying into SS since I was 16. I’m still working and paying taxes in SS we don’t get the full allowment of what we get each month due to we have to pay taxes on that. That’s double taxing. That’s BS
If you didn’t earn it , you’re not eligible.
@preppingforendtimessurviva6326 excuse me,I worked for 50 year ,40 to 50 hours a week ,paid into ssi forever but not in a government job,now do you understand where I'm coming from son
The previous adjustment was based on the fact that the Public Employee pensions were in part funded by taxpayers.
Taxpayers, not private employers.
That was the thought.
So, Public Employees can now benefit from taxpayer subsidized pension funds and SSI accounts to which they contributed only 1/2 the amount a private employee’s account was credited (the other 1/2 being the required match from the private employer - this match often meaning there was no money for raises)
Got that?
Public employees are now a little more than equitable than the despised private sector.
@@davidthompson6636 Private pensions by a employer is paid for by the consumer. 1/2 of public pensions was paid for by the taxpayers. If both private and public employees pay social security, they both should receive 100% benefit.
My salary as a teacher was paid for by taxpayers, so what’s the difference?
Public employees are taxpayers as well. Public pension funds are funded by the governments that offer those funds (employer contributions), by investments and employee contributions. The WEP reduced the amount my benefit CALCULATED BY SSA, by almost $400. I paid into SS for 25 years and worked in a school for 10. We are only now going to get what we paid in, nothing more.
Why do all of these people in the comments think they have a dog in this fight? It is only about the people who have been getting ripped off by these stupid rules they put into effect over 40 years ago. I for one am happy they fixed this. They should be paying these people for every year they got screwed not just back one year.
Nothing fair about giving more money to those that have the most and doing nothing for the ones who have to live with almost nothing how's that fair at all
There are plenty of people who this affects who are not doing well. Many are in their 80s and still working because of the theft of their hard earned benefits! They are entitled to this stolen money!
So government employees get to double dip now, so what else is new. If they were over charged unfairly, just refund the damn money that’s it. But nobody gets to double dip. Social security, army, post office, general services, etc, are government agency’s, pick one check as retirement. I have a worthless brother who is a double dipper, army & post office, his pension from both are over &10,000.00 per month & he was a flunky working the system, but the crooked bastard has boats, motor cycles, motor homes, trips, free travel, etc. he was a good for nothing hustler, like what the government did to hurricane Helene victims who sleep warm at nights with a FULL belly, pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
It’s not double dipping. We paid into two DIFFERENT funds: SS and pension. We are entitled to money from both, different funds.
He ain’t too worthless if he was able to maintain 2 good paying jobs for years and retire from them.
Sounds like you need to take out your frustrations on your brother. So you'd favor a law that says people with a public service pension don't have to pay SS tax on a second job? Cut me the check! I'll put it straight into an investment account. But that option would bankrupt SS almost overnight. The problem with WEP is it penalizes secretaries that can't live on their retirement and executives that can, the same. It's a percent based on time in, not how much income you got from another pension. That's why even the opponents in congress acknowledged that it was unfair. The opponents simply wanted to kick the can down the road for as long as possible, in this case 6 months more in like 2033. Changes to WEP and GPO (which is awful, eliminated survivor benefits for 70% of the people it applied to) have been on the table since 2003; they've had THAT long to craft a solution based on a progressive formula that that accounts for different levels of income. So the people getting screwed all this time finally got a big enough voice to get something passed and you are mad? Maybe now the congressional types screaming about the budget (and their constituents mad at their siblings) will get off their asses and craft a fair solution for everyone. I have no objection to that. But congressional laziness isn't a valid reason for me to pay an arbitrary penalty every month for as long as I live.
Will it help those making less than $1000 per month? You are still helping only relatively wealthy people.
Definitely
I don't think a 75 year old making $2500/month is "relatively wealthy", and there are A LOT of those who will benefit. There was a reason it was easy to convince a large majority in both houses of congress to vote for the bill.
It's NOT or NEVER been a windfall. Those benefits were earned!
It was theft! They have been screwing over these people for years. It started during the Reagan years.
Yep I get a 1300 a month spousal benefit on top of a 75k pension. Thank u Biden
You are no different that the rest, just people like to hate on federal workers, jealousy is the way I see it.
Oh bullshit
Amen,thank God we have our chance. 👮🏻♂️🙏
What about your pension that you get every month????
What he gets for pension is none of your business. He earned his pension and if he paid into SS, then he’s entitled to 100% just like you.
What about it.This is money they unlawfully took from their SS amount.They are not getting anything for free, they Paid enough into SS to draw the full amount but the government took 40 to 60% of the amount.
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@ and I’m telling you, there are those (myself) who do pay into ss and were only allowed 50% bc of offset. This isn’t fair which is why it’s being appealed.
@@jchu1999 I get two government pensions and full SS without an offset. You just have to know he law.